4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING

[8.A.1. Ordinance 2024-04: Amends the existing design of the building for the existing Planned Unit Development (PUD) at 36 Granada Street and 8 DeSoto Place to enclose a courtyard. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

MISS SKINNER.

WELCOME. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU. AMY SKINNER, THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THIS ITEM IS A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING OF ORDINANCE 2024-04 TO AMEND THE EXISTING PUD AT 36 GRANADA STREET.

THE PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN AN EXISTING PUD, CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, TO CONVERT THE BUILDING INTO A RESTAURANT.

USE. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ENCLOSE THE OPEN SEATING AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THE APPROVED PUD HAD THIS AREA AS AN OPEN PORCH WITH SEATING AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

THE REVISED ELEVATIONS INCLUDE ENCLOSING, ENCLOSING THIS AREA AND MOVING THE ENTRANCE CLOSER TO GRANADA STREET, AND ROTATING A DOOR OR AN ENTRANCE FROM DIRECTLY ONTO DESOTO PLACE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.

AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE REVISED ELEVATIONS.

THESE ELEVATIONS ARE REVISED AND INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENTS.

THE CITY COMMISSION PASSED THIS ITEM ON FIRST READING AT THE FEBRUARY 26TH MEETING.

THIS IS A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE A REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. SKINNER.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTION OF MR. SKINNER BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. WE.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS.

ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO. YES.

MELINDA RECKONS, 86 MAGNOLIA AVENUE.

I'M SPEAKING BEFORE THEY GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION.

BUT FROM EVERYTHING I'VE LOOKED AT THE PLANS IN THE PACKET AND TALKING TO AMY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WHAT [INAUDIBLE].

AND THEN, EXCEPT THE ELEVATION INSIDE, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE PEOPLE ON KEEPING THE BIG, LARGE, OLD-FASHIONED WINDOWS EVEN THOUGH THEY GO TO THE FLOOR.

SO, FROM THE OUTSIDE IT LOOKS RIGHT.

MY ONLY COMMENT IS I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THAT THEY HAD SAVED THE OLD FEED STORE PAINT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND ALTHOUGH COMING IN TONIGHT, I NOTICED PLASTER STARTING TO GO OVER IT.

SO, I WOULD SAY ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO SAVE AS MUCH AS THE OF THE ORIGINAL FEED STORE.

I KNOW MR. GARVEY PARTICULARLY LIKED THAT.

SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I'D ADD TO THAT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I WANT TO SAY THAT OVERALL, I'M OKAY WITH EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING.

THANK YOU. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A STAFF A PRESENTATION SCHEDULED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT IF HE WISHES TO SPEAK, CERTAINLY.

HE'S WELCOME TO. I SEE NO MORE PUBLIC TO SPEAK.

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SO PUBLIC COMMENT IS PUBLIC.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM THE APPLICANT WISHING TO SPEAK.

NO, HE IS OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD.

DONE. WELCOME.

I'M DR. REPASS, AND I'M HERE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PUT YOU UNDER OATH, SIR.

I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THIS IS A REZONING.

YES. AND YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

IT'S DAVID REPASS, 111 SOLANA ROAD, PONTE VEDRA BEACH, 32082.

AND I'M HERE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.

IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER, I'M HAPPY TO TRY.

IT IS THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING WAS INCLUDED IN THE PUD.

AND SO, THE MAIN THING, THIS PORCH BEING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE PATIO, IT THE MORE FEEDBACK I THINK EVERYBODY GOT WAS DEALING WITH NORTHEAST WINDS IN THE WINTER AND HOT WEATHER IN THE SUMMER.

IT WAS THE OPERATOR, AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED WANTED TO ENCLOSE THE PATIO.

SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

OKAY. COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC SPEAKER THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE PAINT AND THE PLASTERING? I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE GONE TO GREAT EXTENT TO YOU KNOW, KEEP AS MUCH HISTORY AND HISTORICAL ASPECT OF THE BUILDING.

THAT WAS THE WHOLE INTENT OF, OF, OF THE WHOLE PROJECT.

AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY ABOUT THE FEED STORE SIGN.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT THE GOAL IS.

I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY ON THAT.

I WAS JUST ADMIRING TODAY, DRIVING DOWN THE STREET THAT THEY HAD THAT GRAPHIC.

WHAT'S LEFT OF IT, BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG WINDOW THERE NOW.

BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD FEATURE, AND I THINK THAT MR. MCGARVEY INDICATED THAT IT WOULD HE WOULD SAVE IT.

SO, IF YOU COULD TAKE THAT BACK WITH YOU THAT WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE PLASTERING GOING ON AND WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S A CONSENSUS AT THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. MY KNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS KEEPING THAT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP.

THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED ON.

THAT'S WHAT WE APPROVED, IS KEEPING THAT.

SO, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S STAYS INTACT.

THE STORE SIGNS. YES, YES, YES.

THAT WAS A MAJOR FEATURE THAT.

YEAH OKAY. THERE'S NO PLAN OTHERWISE.

GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

GREAT. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. SO, ANY OTHER? YES, I DO HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP TO THAT CONVERSATION, IF I MAY.

IT IS INCLUDED IN THE PUD NARRATIVE, THE REFERENCE TO THAT SIGN, AND I'LL JUST READ IT.

THE REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 316 C OF THE CODE.

THAT'S THE SIGN CODE NOTWITHSTANDING, THE OWNER SHALL PAINT THE HISTORIC SIGN THAT'S THE FEED STORE SIGN SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED ELEVATIONS ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WHICH SHALL NOT BE COUNTED AGAINST THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE PERMITTED UNDER THE CODE BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORICAL AND DECORATIVE PURPOSES AND DOES NOT ADVERTISE ANY BUSINESS LOCATED IN THE BUILDING.

SO, THE POD TEXT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT IT COULD BE ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, NOT NECESSARILY THE EXISTING SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO, I THINK IT THE WAY IT READS HERE, HE COULD PAINT THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

I'M NOT READING IF I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY.

MISS SKINNER, DID YOU WANT TO? IT DOES SAY THE SIZE, LOCATION AND SCOPE OF THIS HISTORIC SIGN IS SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED ELEVATIONS.

I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.

AND IN FACT, THE ORIGINAL ELEVATIONS HAD KIND OF A MURAL REPRESENTED ON THE ELEVATION, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND WHEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MADE THEIR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY ALSO NOTED THAT THEY WANTED THE MURAL INTACT AND THAT IT. OKAY.

WELL, THERE'S I GUESS MY POINT IS I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BECOME A SOURCE OF ANXIETY.

IF THE EXISTING MURAL WAS REMOVED AND A NEW MURAL WAS INSTALLED ON A SIDE OF THE BUILDING, I DID NOT WANT THE OWNER TO FEEL LIKE HE HAD DONE SOMETHING INCORRECT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE PUD.

WELL, NEXT TIME WE'LL KNOW BETTER.

WE WANT THE ORIGINAL.

FINE. SO.

OKAY. YEP, YEP.

LIVE AND LEARN.

OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE AGREEMENT HERE.

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DO I HEAR A MOTION? I MOVE. WE APPROVE ON SECOND READING ORDINANCE 2020 4-04.

SECOND ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024.

DASH ZERO FOUR, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.75 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 36 GRANADA STREET.

PARCEL ID NUMBER 203240, DASH 0000 AND EIGHT DESOTO PLACE, PARCEL ID NUMBER 203230. DASH 0000.

AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER TO AMEND ITS CURRENT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD CLASSIFICATION, ADOPTING A NEW PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD, INCLUDING A REVISED FLOOR PLAN AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

JIM. SPRINGFIELD. YES.

ROXANNE HORVATH. YES.

CYNTHIA GARRIS. YES.

BARBARA BLONDER. YES.

NANCY. SIKES-KLINE.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

[9.A.1. Ordinance 2024-05: Updates and amends the City's parking code. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

WE DO HAVE A FIRST READING ORDINANCE 2024-05, MRS. SKINNER. YES.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, AMY SKINNER.

THIS ITEM IS THE INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2024, DASH ZERO FIVE TO AMEND AND UPDATE THE CITY'S EXISTING PARKING CODE.

I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TO FINALLY BRING THIS ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THIS IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY EXEMPT FROM THE STATUTORY, BUSINESS OR ECONOMIC IMPACT STATEMENT REQUIREMENT.

IT REPRESENTS NEARLY A YEAR'S WORTH OF WORK WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO DEVELOP THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE PCB MADE THEIR FINAL RECOMMENDATION AT THEIR NOVEMBER 23RD MEETING.

NOVEMBER 2023 MEETING.

EXCUSE ME. THE STATE.

THE CITY INITIATED THE PROCESS TO UPDATE THE CODE BY ENGAGING THE SAME MOBILITY CONSULTANT THAT HELPED THE CITY DEVELOP ITS MOBILITY PLAN.

THE CONSULTANT BROUGHT FORWARD MANY ITEMS AND PERSPECTIVES FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HELD SEVERAL SPECIAL MEETINGS AND DISCUSSION AGENDA ITEMS OVER THE LAST YEAR.

THE PCB RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SUBJECT MATTER AND REQUESTED STAFF TO SOLICIT AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE AND INPUT AS POSSIBLE TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

LAST YEAR, THE CITY CONDUCTED TWO SURVEYS, THE RESULTS OF WHICH WERE REPORTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IN APRIL AND JUNE.

THERE WERE OVER 1900 RESPONSES TO THE FIRST SURVEY AND 266 RESPONSES TO THE SECOND SURVEY, WHICH WAS MORE BUSINESS ORIENTED.

THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS INDICATED THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO WALK AND PARK TO USE OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION TO MOVE AROUND THE CITY.

STAFF ALSO MORE RECENTLY SPECIFICALLY MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL, THE CHAMBER HISTORIC AREA COUNCIL, AND THE ST.

AUGUSTINE BUSINESS COALITION.

THE CITY PARKING CODE HAS NOT BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY UPDATED SINCE 1988.

THE CURRENT CODE IS PROBABLY CONSIDERED NOT VERY CREATIVE AND REALLY SUBURBAN IN NATURE.

IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S MOBILITY PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH MORE RECENT UPDATED ENGINEERING MANUALS AND OTHER GOALS, SUCH AS MANAGING PARKING DEMAND AND INCENTIVIZING SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION.

TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUES.

SUPPORTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESSING AND ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AS WELL.

THESE CAN BE DIFFICULT AND COMPLEX ISSUES THAT REQUIRE THOUGHTFULNESS AND CONSIDERATION OF BALANCE.

IT ALSO INCLUDES THE CONSIDERATION OF CREATING A SAFE, SUCCESSFUL, AND EFFICIENT LAND USE PATTERN.

THE CITY HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO DEVELOP A MOBILITY PLAN, ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS INCLUDING SHUTTLING AND REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY UPDATED THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ADOPTED A MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE TO DEVELOP THE FUNDING TO PROVIDE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF REDUCING TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE.

THE PARKING CODE IS ENFORCED ON A DAILY BASIS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

IF IT IS CONTRARY TO THE GOALS OF THE MOBILITY PLAN, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE THE BENEFITS OF THE PLAN OVER TIME.

THE REVISED CODE.

THE REVISED CODE UPDATES DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENCOURAGE ALTERNATIVE SURFACES, SUSTAINABLE DESIGN, AND CONNECTIONS TO REDUCE

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CONFLICTS WITH PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES, AS WELL AS PROVIDING FOR OTHER MULTIMODAL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.

OTHER OPTIONS INCLUDE PROVIDING VALET PARKING AS AN OPTION, A FEE IN LIEU OF PROVIDING PARKING PROGRAM SHARED PARKING, AND MOBILITY HUBS.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ADDITIONS IS A SECTION TO RECOGNIZE OTHER AREAS OR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT AREAS, WHERE NO PARKING WILL BE REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.

THESE ARE AREAS OF COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES FOLLOWING THE CORRIDORS OF SAN MARCO AVENUE UP TO WEST SAN CARLOS, EAST KING STREET, AS WELL AS AS THE WEST KING STREET AREA.

INCLUDING PELISSIER LANE AND PALMER STREET.

AND ALSO, WE'VE INCLUDED A LINCOLNVILLE NORTH LINCOLNVILLE DISTRICT, WHICH IS A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON WASHINGTON STREET.

WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WALKING AND THE USE OF OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, ADDING OPTIONS AND CHOICES BESIDES PERSONAL VEHICLES.

THE ONE OUTSTANDING ISSUE THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IS ACTUALLY SETTING A FEE FOR THE PARKING SPACE IN LIEU OF FEE.

THANK YOU. AND THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS. I HAVE QUESTIONS.

I SPOKE TO KAREN ZANDER.

THAT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS COALITION, AND SHE PROVIDED ME WITH A COPY OF THE COUNTY'S AND THEIRS IS A TWO-SIDED DOCUMENT, JUST ONE PAGE, JUST, YOU KNOW, ON BOTH SIDES.

DOES OURS HAVE TO BE SO LONG? BECAUSE, I MEAN, LOOKING AT IT, IT'S 24 PAGES.

LOOKING AT THIS, I HAVE LOOKED AT THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND IT THE ENTIRETY OF THE ORDINANCE IS LONGER THAN THAT.

THE, THE PAGES THAT I BELIEVE SHE PROVIDED WERE JUST THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN USES.

WE LOOKED AT THIS AS AN UPDATE TO THE PARKING CODE.

SO, WE JUST KIND OF STRATEGICALLY CHANGED THINGS.

THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE OF THE COUNTY IS, IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE NATURE OF THE CITY.

WE ARE KIND OF A MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

WE DO HAVE A MORE VARIETY OF USES.

THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY HAS COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, BUT ALSO MANY OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS ARE PUDS, SO THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS MAY BE WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY INTO THEIR PUD LANGUAGES AS WELL AS IN THEIR CODE.

I, I WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM OURS.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES, THERE ARE DEFINITELY KIND OF MORE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS IN EACH OF THEIR CATEGORIES.

SO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

WE DO WANT IT TO BE AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE AND AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO, WE ARE JUST UPDATING THE EXISTING CODES.

SO, WE DIDN'T WANT TO KIND OF WHOLESALE.

THROW EVERYTHING OUT AND, AND LIKE THESE RED MARKINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEY WON'T EXIST IN THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT ONCE IT'S DONE.

THEY WILL. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES.

SO, THE RED LINE IS ILLUSTRATING WHAT'S BEING CHANGED.

EVERYTHING IN BLACK IS WHAT'S CURRENT.

THE RED LINE ACTUALLY INDICATES WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE.

SOME OF IT IS BEING LINED OUT AND SOME OF IT THE UNDERLINED TEXT IS WHAT IS BEING ADDED.

I ALSO FOR CLARITY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REVIEWED IT IN, IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE GREEN.

THE GREEN INDICATED IN YOUR IN YOUR DRAFT ONCE ONCE IT IS ADOPTED ALL THE RED UNDERLINED LANGUAGE WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CODE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE.

THAT'S WHAT THE CODE WILL STAND FOR ONCE IT'S ADOPTED.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

JUST TO CONCERNS AT THIS POINT, THE FIRST ONE BEING YOU'RE ASKING US WHAT WOULD WE WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PAY FOR IN LIEU OF A PARKING SPACE? HAVE WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES OF SIMILAR SIZE? YES, WE HAVE, WE'VE LOOKED AROUND.

AROUND THE STATE AS WELL.

AS JUST A GENERAL SEARCH.

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SO FOR CONVERSATION, WE DO HAVE SOME FEE RANGES TO FOR THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE'VE RESEARCHED.

PER PARKING SPACE, THE COST IS BASICALLY BETWEEN 8000 AND $15,000.

THE CONSULTANT THAT THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, MENTIONED $5,000 FOR A SURFACE PARKING SPACE AND $25,000 FOR THE COST OF AN ACTUAL SPACE IN THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

WE'VE ALSO, WITHIN OUR RESEARCH, WE ALSO FOUND SOME INFORMATION FROM A CONSULTING GROUP.

IT WAS A COMPANY CALLED COME COMING GROUP PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND COST MANAGEMENT.

AND IN 2023, THEY DID AN ANALYSIS WHERE IT WAS AROUND $71 PER SQUARE FOOT FOR A PARKING SPACE.

AND BASED ON THE SIZE OF OUR PARKING STANDARD PARKING SPACE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $12,800 PER SPACE.

YOU KNOW, IN THIS THIS IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW A COST OF DEVELOPER MONEY TO PROVIDE THE PARKING AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT IT TO BE A REASONABLE FEE AND A CONSIDERATION FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS AS AS EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? WELL, OUR PROPERTY IN DOWNTOWN ST.

AUGUSTINE HAS ESCALATED IN PRICE, SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THERE AS WELL.

THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THE, YOU KNOW, THESE AREAS ON OUR LARGE MAP THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE AREAS THAT WERE NOT GOING TO BE REQUIRING PARKING FOR IN BLUE.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS WE WE WE WANT TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE.

BUT IN REALITY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THERE'S NO PARKING THERE.

THEY WILL BE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THEIR OWN SET ASIDE PARKING, BUT.

YOU KNOW. DO THEY WANT THAT? THAT'S THE QUESTION.

AND YOU KNOW.

THAT CAN BE FIXED BY HAVING THEIR OWN PARKING.

YES, BUT ENFORCING IT AND ALL OF THAT GETS TO BE DIFFICULT.

SO YES, THIS IS A CHALLENGING QUESTION AND I GUESS CONCEPT BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT IN THE SHORT TERM ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM.

THE CITY DOES HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM THAT WOULD HELP KIND OF HELP REGULATE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THIS TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, MAY BE DIFFICULT, BUT THE ISSUE THAT WE SEE IS THAT.

THE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CRITICAL MASS OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF OF PEOPLE THAT WILL WILL PARK AND USE THESE ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.

AND IF YOU DON'T.

FORCE THE ISSUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT FROM BOTH SIDES AS FAR AS LIMITING PARKING AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO PARK IN CERTAIN AREAS VERSUS RE DEVELOPING TO A HIGHER EXTENT, YOU KNOW, BY ELIMINATING.

PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

THEN THERE ARE MORE DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS FOR THESE PROPERTIES AS FAR AS AS KIND OF THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL USE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH CREATES MORE USERS, WHICH THEN ALSO CREATES MORE USERS FOR CIRCULATORS, FOR SHUTTLES AND FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S A BIT OF A PUSH AND A PULL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BECAUSE THEY REALLY WORK TOGETHER THROUGH A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF YOU MAKE THE CHANGES, THEN HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THE OUTCOMES.

AND ONE OF THE OUTCOMES ARE IS TO HAVE PEOPLE PARK IN PERIPHERAL PARKING AREAS AND YOU HOPEFULLY WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC AND GET PEOPLE TO USE ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, EVEN IF THEY'RE JUST WALKING OR RIDING A BIKE, OR IF WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE ELECTRIC BIKES COMING IN BECAUSE WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PROVIDE BICYCLE PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT THEY KIND

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OF WORK TOGETHER SO THAT HOPEFULLY THEN IT REDUCES TRAFFIC AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE NEIGHBOR.

THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE CAN BE A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE THEN THEY FINALLY CAN USE THE STREETS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCALS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE IS A PUSH AND A PULL, I WILL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SAY BUT THIS IS BASED ON, KIND OF URBAN PLANNING AND KIND OF URBAN DESIGN, AND WE ARE A LITTLE URBAN AREA.

AND IF WE DON'T FORCE THE ISSUE, THEN WE'LL NEVER WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO USE THESE CIRCULATORS AND. RIGHT.

WELL, I SAY IT'S MORE IT'S DEFINITELY TIME TO DO THIS.

AND I APPLAUD ALL THE HARD WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT.

CAN I MAKE A COMMENT RELATED TO THAT? I AGREE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO SEE THIS, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

IT'S NOTHING. NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE WITH THE PARKING UNTIL SOMEBODY CHANGES THE BUSINESS.

AND SO, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN PUT IN A MONITORING SYSTEM INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF A RIGHT NOW WE COULD TAKE A BASELINE.

WE ALSO COULD DO A BETTER JOB, I THINK, OF EDUCATING THE NEIGHBORS ON THE POTENTIALS OF BLOCKING PARKING, EXCEPT FOR RESIDENTS.

AND FIND OUT WHICH STREETS MAY WANT TO DO THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS A REAL POSSIBILITY.

ALTHOUGH WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE RESTRICTED PARKING, THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE GUESTS BECAUSE IT BECOMES VERY CUMBERSOME TO HAVE GUESTS. SO, IT'S A CATCH 22 FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

BUT I THINK WE IF WE CAN PUT IN A MONITORING SYSTEM, COME UP WITH SOME AMOUNT OF BASELINE WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE, WE CAN SEE WHETHER IT'S GETTING BETTER OR WORSE AND THEN TAKE ACTION IF IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT WORSE.

AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T PROVIDE PARKING, CERTAINLY BASED ON YOUR BUSINESS MODEL, CERTAINLY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU WANT TO FUNCTION AS A BUSINESS IF YOU'RE, AS A DEVELOPER, OR A BUSINESS, A LOCAL BUSINESS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY YOU CAN PROVIDE PARKING.

THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT.

WE HAVE WE ARE JUST CREATING, TRYING TO CREATE OTHER OPTIONS IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE PEOPLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.

SO MANY OF OUR PROPERTIES ARE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING.

THEY'RE SMALL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONVERTING EXISTING BUILDINGS INTO COMMERCIAL USES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES.

SO SOMETIMES PARKING IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIMITING FACTORS.

THANK YOU. NO DOUBT.

ANY COMMENT? ARE YOU FINISHED, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD? OKAY. YES, PLEASE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF OVERARCHING COMMENTS OR QUESTION AND THEN A FEW MINOR ONES AFTER THAT.

AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

BECAUSE TOUGH NUT TO CRACK.

AND FIRST OF ALL, IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING, I'VE ASKED FOR AN INCENTIVE DRIVEN PROGRAM FOR THINGS LIKE USING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. GIVING A BUSINESS AN OPTION OF DOING IT IS ONE THING.

OFFSETTING SOME OF THEIR INITIAL COST IS ANOTHER THING TO REALLY MAKE THAT ENTICING.

SO, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF A A PROPOSAL FOR ADDING INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, IN PARTICULAR FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS AND HOTELS AND MOTELS AND FOR AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT I'VE LEFT OUT.

AND ALSO FOR PERVIOUS SURFACES IN PARKING AREAS.

ITS FIRST OVERARCHING POINT.

THE SECOND ONE IS AND NOT TO PICK ON ANY ONE PARTICULAR BUSINESS, BUT WOULD THIS PROPOSAL, AS IS, MAKE IT DIFFICULT, MORE DIFFICULT, OR EVEN IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SURFACE PARKING COMMERCIAL? ESTABLISHMENT, SUCH AS THAT AT GROVE STREET AND SAN MARCO, TO NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE IF IT'S NOT ENCOMPASSED IN HERE SOMEWHERE.

IT MAY NOT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO DO WHAT THEY DID, BUT IT MAY CHANGE THE ECONOMIC CALCULATION ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS DEVELOPING IT.

AND SO IT MAY HOPEFULLY WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP IT INSTEAD OF JUST MAKING IT A PARKING LOT.

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OKAY. MY COMPUTER JUST FROZE UP.

AWESOME. SO, YOU MAY HAVE.

OH, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S ON. IT'S ON PAGE 38 OF THE PACKET.

I HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK. MAYBE I CAN CLOSE IT.

YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO ME? IT'S JUST A FEW SMALL COMMENTS.

SURE. I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THEM.

WELL, I'LL JUST SAY I'M A LITTLE HESITANT.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY.

I'M NOT. I HAVEN'T HEARD VERY MUCH ON SOMETHING THAT HAS THIS MUCH IMPACT ON THE LIVABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE LIVABILITY OF THE CITY. CONCERNS ME THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS.

MAYBE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THEM.

I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BUSINESS IS LIKE.

IT THAT'S A GREAT THING, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

SO, I REALLY WANT TO BE I REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DID GO AND MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL.

THE FIRST SURVEY THAT WE PUT OUT HAD OVER 1900 RESPONSES.

IT WAS ORIENTED TOWARD, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE THAT.

THAT LIVE HERE.

MOST OF THE MOST, ALTHOUGH MOST OF THE RESPONDENTS, 57%, LIVED OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

OF THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED, ABOUT 73% LIVED IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. I THINK A LOT OF COUNTY RESIDENTS CONSIDER THEMSELVES CITIZENS OF ST.

AUGUSTINE.

THEY THESE ARE THE RESULTS, BASICALLY, THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A LACK OF PARKING AND PARKING LOTS IN DOWNTOWN, PARKING LOTS NEAR SMALL BUSINESSES, DOWNTOWN STREET PARKING, PARKING GARAGES AND SADDLE, INCLUDING SATELLITE AND DOWNTOWN, AND SATELLITE PARKING SPACES.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

WE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT BLIGHT.

THEY SAID PARKING.

RESPONDENTS SAID PARKING LOTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY BLIGHTED, BUT THEY DO CONTRIBUTE TO CONGESTION AND COULD BE IMPROVED WITH LANDSCAPING AND OTHER DESIGN ELEMENTS.

AND PARK PARTICIPANTS RANKED ALTERNATIVES AND INDICATED THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO ACTUALLY USE THESE ALTERNATIVES WHEN WE ASKED THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.

SO AS FAR AS A RANKING THE RESPONDENTS ACTUALLY SAID THAT THEY WOULD USE THE PARK SATELLITE PARKING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE TO DOWNTOWN, SATELLITE PARKING WITH A SHUTTLE DROP-OFF AND SATELLITE PARKING WITH AN ORGANIZED AND TIMELY CIRCULATOR, AS WELL AS RIDING A BIKE.

SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE SURVEY, WAS THAT THING.

SOME OF IT WE ALREADY KNOW TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT WE CAN CONTROL ON STREET PARKING BETTER TO MANAGE THE TURNOVER NOTIFICATIONS AND ENCOURAGE AVAILABILITY FOR EASE AND ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO AVAILABLE PARKING.

PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS WERE OUR PRIORITY FOR THE WALKING.

WALKABILITY AND BICYCLE IMPROVEMENTS WERE ALSO A PRIORITY TO MAKE THE STREETS SAFER.

THE SECOND SURVEY THAT WE PUT OUT.

WE. ORIENT HAD 266 RESPONSES.

MOST OF THESE PEOPLE, 52% LIVED INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

OF THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED, 89% LIVED IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY.

THESE WERE MOSTLY BUSINESS OWNERS.

53% WERE ACTUAL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT THAT HAVE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY.

AND AGAIN, THERE WERE SIMILAR KIND OF SIMILAR RESPONSES WHEN WE ASKED THEM ABOUT PRIORITIES PARKING NEXT TO SMALL BUSINESSES.

RANGE FIRST, OF COURSE.

BUT THAT WAS SECOND IN THE FIRST SURVEY.

DOWNTOWN PARKING LOTS WAS SECOND AS FAR AS THIS SURVEY BUT WAS FIRST IN THE PREVIOUS SURVEY.

AND THE DOUBT WORKING WITH THE STREET PARKING, A DOWNTOWN PARKING GARAGE AND A SATELLITE PARKING GARAGE.

SO, EVERY BOTH SURVEYS HAD KIND OF THE SAME RESPONSES.

DESCENDING PARKING LOT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED BLIGHT AND SHOULD BE PERMITTED, BUT THEY DO INCREASE CONGESTION.

SO, EVERYONE KIND OF RECOGNIZES THAT THE PARKING LOTS IN THE DOWNTOWN PROBABLY INCREASE CONGESTION AS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DRIVE AROUND AND AROUND CIRCUIT LOOKING FOR PARKING SPACES.

AND THEN.

THEY ALSO RANKED ALTERNATIVES.

THEY HAD SOME OF THE SAME RESPONSES FOR BOTH SURVEYS THAT SATELLITE PARKING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY USE

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SATELLITE PARKING WITH AN ORGANIZED AND TIMELY CIRCULATOR.

SATELLITE PARKING WITH A DIRECT SHUTTLE DROP OFF.

THIS SURVEY ACTUALLY ALSO INDICATED THAT RIDESHARE PROGRAMS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD USE, AND RIDING A BIKE, WHICH WAS SIMILAR PERCENTAGE TO THE FIRST SURVEY AS WELL.

SO BASICALLY, WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, WE CONCLUDED THAT ALL THE PARTICIPANTS SEEMED TO GO ALONG, YOU KNOW, BUY INTO THE SATELLITE PARKING IDEA, ESPECIALLY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, AND THE SHUTTLE SERVICES AS WELL AS THE CIRCULATOR SERVICES.

AND WHAT? WHAT IS OUR PLAN FOR SATELLITE PARKING? BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FIRST AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE DID THIS DOWNTOWN AND THE PURPLE AREA ON THE MAP, WE ENDED UP EVENTUALLY HEARING FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY SAYING, LOOK, YOU PASSED THE LAW, YOU BUILD US PARKING.

AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THE GARAGE.

AND THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO, I'M NOT RIGHT AWAY.

BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU'VE ALSO PROVIDED FOR A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DID NOT PROVIDE, WHICH IS PARTICULARLY WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS THE SHARED PARKING PROVISION.

I THINK THAT CAN BE A REALLY GREAT ESCAPE VALVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A TOOL IN OUR WE DON'T HAVE THAT TOOL RIGHT NOW AND WE REALLY NEED IT.

SO, I'M KIND OF HANGING IN THE BALANCE HERE.

AND I'D LIKE TO JUST I REALLY LIKE TO HEAR I LIKE THE SURVEY.

I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE SURVEY UP, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE CLEAR OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM PERSONALLY.

WHEN WE DO KNOW ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, A SOME OF THE DISCUSSION REALLY DID TALK ABOUT A BALANCE THAT TRYING TO ACHIEVE A BALANCE, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT USERS.

WE CAN'T DESIGN EVERYTHING TOWARD THE TOURISTS.

WE DO KNOW WE WANT TO BE A LIVABLE CITY, THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN, THAT WE ARE KIND OF OUR OWN LITTLE URBAN AREA, AND THAT WE TRY TO BE AS LIVABLE AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE A MIXTURE OF, OF USERS.

SO, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE MERCHANTS HAVE NEEDS AS WELL AS THE WORKERS AND, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO DO YOU KNOW DROP OFF, DROPPING OFF AND ALL THAT.

SOME OF THAT IS RELATED TO ON STREET PARKING, WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO ADJUST OUR RATES TO ENCOURAGE TURNOVER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE USERS CAN USE THE ON-STREET PARKING TO BE CLOSER TO CERTAIN THINGS.

WE HAVE IN FACT, AT THE BUSINESS COALITION, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WORKFORCE.

AND, YOU KNOW REUBEN FRANKLIN BROUGHT UP THAT THE CITY IS CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE WORKFORCE TO PARK AND GET TO WORK.

AND IF THERE ARE KIND OF CENTRAL AREAS THAT PARK, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THE SHUTTLING PROGRAM OR CIRCULATOR PROGRAM AND HELP WORK WITH THE WORKERS.

I'VE DONE SOME OTHER GRAPHICS, YOU KNOW, THE.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY AND THINGS AND YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ELIMINATING PARKING IN CERTAIN AREAS, THEY TALK ABOUT KIND OF A TWO-MILE RADIUS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING.

THESE ARE SOME SIMPLE GRAPHICS.

THIS REPRESENTS, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE.

THESE KINDS OF ARCS ARE A THREE-QUARTER MILE WALKING RADIUS.

SO, THIS THIS IS WHERE WE DREW THE LINE FOR THE SAN MARCO CORRIDOR UP TO THE WEST, SAN CARLOS, OR BASICALLY UP TO THE PEANUT, BECAUSE IT'S IT.

BASED ON KIND OF ANALYSIS IS REASONABLE THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWNTOWN.

THIS IS THIS IS THE KING STREET CORRIDOR.

THERE'S THIS GRAPHIC.

AND I KNOW IT'S SIMPLE, BUT THIS IS BASICALLY REPRESENTING THE POTENTIAL BROUGHTY PARKING GARAGE, THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE, AND THE PARKING BEHIND CITY HALL.

THIS IS ORIENTED TOWARD THE BROUGHTY PARKING GARAGE.

THIS IS A THREE-QUARTER MILE WALKING DISTANCE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE KING STREET CORRIDOR FROM GRANADA STREET TO THE WEST CITY LIMITS.

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AND THIS IS YOU CAN SEE HERE; THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THE WASHINGTON COMMERCIAL STREET COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE WE'VE WRITTEN INTO THE CODE IS FOR MASTERS DRIVE AND SOUTH DIXIE HIGHWAY, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON SAN MARCO AND KING STREET, TO TRY TO RECOGNIZE A RESIDENTIAL TYPOLOGY, REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO WE CAN KEEP FRONT YARDS SO THAT THE RESIDENTIAL TYPOLOGY, IF IT IF A RESIDENCE GETS CONVERTED TO A COMMERCIAL USE IN THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, THEN WE KEEP THE KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THE FRONT YARD.

THEN THIS IS AGAIN, IT'S A SIMPLE GRAPHIC, BUT I WAS TRYING TO OVERLAP.

KIND OF OVERLAP.

YOU CAN SEE THIS ARC.

THIS IS KIND OF A THREE-QUARTER MILE WALKING DISTANCE FROM THE CITY'S PARKING GARAGE.

THESE ARE THE CORRIDORS.

HERE'S THE CITY HALL PARKING BEHIND HERE AS WELL IN THE BROWDY PARKING GARAGE.

SO, IT IS A CHANGE.

YOU KNOW. IT IS A CHANGE.

BUT. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, EVEN WITH JUST THESE THREE LOCATIONS, KIND OF A CENTRAL PARKING AREAS, IT'S REASONABLE THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK THOSE DISTANCES.

AND YOU SEE PEOPLE ALREADY WALKING FROM SOME OF THE WITH THE TO THESE HOTELS ON PRAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE BEEN TO THE DISTILLERY OR THE WINERY OR THE WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE CARRYING THEIR BOXES AND THEY'RE CARRYING THEIR THINGS, AND PEOPLE WALK, AND YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE WALK FROM EVEN THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT.

YOU KNOW, FROM DOWNTOWN SAN MARCO.

IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN DISCUSS ALSO THE SHARED PARKING.

WOULD YOU? I'M PRETTY CLEAR ON THAT.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION, AND I THINK THAT OPENED MY EYES AND A LOT OF NEW WAYS INTO WHAT I'M SEEING HERE ON THE MAP.

SO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO SEE A ZONING MAP OVERLAID ON THIS.

OKAY. SO THAT IT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THOSE DISTRICTS AND HOW MUCH OF A BUFFER WE'VE GOT BETWEEN THE STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL.

AND THAT THAT MIGHT HELP ME VISUALIZE A LITTLE BIT BETTER TOO.

BUT I DEFINITELY, I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING IT GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, I DO SUPPORT THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.

SO, AND YOU KNOW, GOING BACK, I REALLY, I DO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF NO MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PREVALENT NOW AND THE LARGER CITIES TO GET TO THAT DENSITY.

LIKE YOU SAID, YOU NEED.

SO THEORETICALLY I REALLY YES, I DO SUPPORT IT, BUT IT IS A BIG LEAP.

SO YES. SO, I'LL BE INTERESTED IN I THINK WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE FEE I AGREE WITH.

I KNOW SHE'S READY TO GO, TOO, BUT I DO REALLY WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE FEE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, AND I'M, LIKE, LEANING TOWARDS THE HIGHER NUMBER.

ME TOO. I THINK 15,000 SEEMS LOW.

I MEAN, I'M, I DO, I THINK 15,000 BECAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING US A SURFACE SPOT.

YES. WAS THE UPPER BAND I THINK THAT'S NOT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PARKING SPACE CAN GENERATE A PARKING SPACE, CAN POTENTIALLY GENERATE 100 TO $200,000 A YEAR IN RETAIL SALES FOR, YOU KNOW, WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF IT. YEAH.

AND YOU'RE PUTTING A VALUE OF $15,000 ON IT MAXIMUM.

I DON'T THAT DOESN'T RING TRUE.

LET'S LOOK MORE DEEPLY AT THAT ONE OKAY.

THANK YOU. YES.

YEAH, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, ESPECIALLY ON THE FEES.

AND I HAVE A VERY MINOR TYPO THING UNDER SECTION 28-376 MOBILITY HUBS. THERE'S A WORDING THING THAT BOTHERS ME.

IT'S NUMBER FIVE CHARGING STATIONS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND MOBILE DEVICES.

I THINK OF A MOBILE DEVICE AS A PHONE.

OKAY, SO WHICH ITEM NUMBER IS IT? IT'S UNDER SECTION 28-376.

OKAY. WHICH ITEM THOUGH? IT'S MOBILITY HUBS AND IT'S NUMBER.

IT'S A FIVE, FIVE, 5A5.

YEAH. MOBILITY DEVICES.

YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. YEAH.

MOBILITY DEVICES WOULD WORK.

WE'LL CLARIFY THAT.

OR SOME KIND OF MICRO MOBILITY OR WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS CHARGING FOR AN ELECTRIC BIKE OR ELECTRIC SCOOTER.

I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. YOU WANT. YEAH.

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YEAH. NOT VERY CLEAR.

WHAT DOES MOBILITY DEVICE MEAN? STUCK IN MY CRAW. OKAY.

I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT THE VICE MAYOR HORVATH SAID, AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD, ABOUT REALLY GETTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS LOOPED IN, WHETHER IT'S STARTING WITH WHERE YOU ARE, BUT RE-EMPHASIZING IT AND GETTING THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEN GOING TO THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THE ABSTRACT AND THE UPTOWN AREA IN GENERAL, AND LETTING THEM KNOW BECAUSE I ALREADY BECAUSE THIS IS ON MY COMMUTE, YOU KNOW, BOTH PEDESTRIAN EVERY WAY I'VE GONE.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE CIRCLING AND CIRCLING AND CIRCLING IN THEIR CARS LOOKING FOR THAT RANDOM NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, STREET SPACE THAT OPENS UP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GET A HANDLE ON.

SO, IF THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM ON A TRIAL BASIS, WHATEVER WAY WE APPROACH IT, I JUST REALLY WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOODS INVOLVED.

JUST AS YOU SAID.

OVERALL, I SUPPORT THIS.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS AND LESS CAPACITY.

SOUTHERN LIVING JUST RATED US BEST SMALL TOWN IN FLORIDA.

SO, WE'RE GOING TO GET EVEN MORE ATTENTION AND THAT THAT THIS TRAFFIC MESS ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT.

AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, SO I JUST TO CAP THAT OFF BEFORE WE MAKE OUR MOTION, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I WAS ON A TOUR FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, A CONFERENCE IN MIAMI, PROBABLY 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO.

AND WE GOT A TOUR OF NORTH BEACH AND SOUTH BEACH.

IT WAS FABULOUS. OF COURSE, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE AMAZING DOWN THERE, AND THE CHIEF OF PARKING WAS THERE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DOWN ALONG THAT VERY DESIRABLE AREA, IT'S THE SAME THING THERE.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE IN ONE PLACE AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING.

AND THEY SAID, WE JUST TOLD EVERYBODY TO DON'T BRING THEIR CARS.

IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN HERE AND SEE US, JUST DON'T EVEN BRING YOUR CAR, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A VERY INTERESTING APPROACH.

I WONDER HOW IT'S WORKING TODAY.

JUST IN A SIDEBAR THERE.

SO, WITH THAT, UNLESS WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MOVING FORWARD TO PUT THIS INTO A WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS IN THE SECOND READING.

DO I HEAR A MOTION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 4-05 FOR APPROVAL.

BY READING WHAT IS IT TITLED? TITLE ONLY. I HAD A BLANK THERE AND SET FOR SECOND READING AND SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY, I SECOND THAT YOU HAVE A SECOND ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 4-05, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING AND UPDATING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 28, ARTICLE FOUR SUPPLEMENTING SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS DIVISION TWO OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING.

ADDING SECTION 28-372 OFF STREET PARKING PROVISIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING PROVISION OPTIONS TO SECTION 28-373.

ADDING SECTION 20 8-376 MOBILITY HUBS AMENDING SECTION 28-347 SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR CERTAIN USES THREE PARKING LOTS PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ALL RIGHT, MADAM, ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS? DEBATE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT HARD WORK.

ALL RIGHT. SO, LET'S MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS.

[10.A. Discussion regarding the dates for the 2024-2025 Nights of Lights. (M. Wissel, Director Communications)]

SO, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE DATES OR THE 2024-2025 NIGHTS OF LIGHTS.

AND WE HAVE. OUR COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR, MELISSA WISSEL.

WELCOME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

AS PROMISED, I'M BACK TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE 2024 DATES FOR THE NIGHTS OF LIGHTS.

A BRIEF RECAP IN 2020 BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF COVID, AND ALSO TO ASSIST WITH OUR ROUTINE PLANNING OF EVENTS SURROUNDING NIGHTS OF LIGHTS AND TO AVOID REDUNDANT YEAR TO YEAR RESOLUTIONS.

RESOLUTION 2020-34 SET TRADITIONAL DATES FOR THE SEASONAL ILLUMINATION FROM THE THIRD SATURDAY IN NOVEMBER THROUGH JANUARY 31ST OF THE ENSUING YEAR. HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AHEAD TO NEXT YEAR, NOT ONLY DOES JANUARY 31ST, 2025, LAND ON A FRIDAY, BUT THE

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THIRD SATURDAY IN NOVEMBER FALLS TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF THANKSGIVING, NOT THE WEEK BEFORE.

IN MY MEMO, I MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO CLOSE THE NIGHTS OF LIGHT SEASON ON SUNDAY, JANUARY 26TH, 2025.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE, WITH YOUR SUPPORT, PRESENTING AN UPDATED RESOLUTION.

LET'S HOPE ONE LAST FINAL TIME AND RESET THE TRADITIONAL DATES AS THE SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND THE LAST SUNDAY OF JANUARY OF THE ENSUING YEAR.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

OH, OKAY.

WE HAVE ART.

WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD, SO.

OKAY. DAHLIA, DO YOU WISH TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF MISS MELISSA? ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CARD.

OKAY. WE'LL HAVE-- IS IT MR. YORK, OR IS IT MR. MCCANN? BOTH.

OKAY. NOW.

BOTH OF THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, MR. MCCANTS.

IN REGARD TO THIS, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS THE SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, BUT IT WAS ALSO ALWAYS UNTIL THE 30, THE LAST DAY OF JANUARY.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, AS A LOCAL, I ALWAYS GO DOWN ON THE LAST DAY OF JANUARY JUST AS KIND OF LIKE I'M GOING TO GO SEE THEM ONE MORE TIME.

AND THIS YEAR I WENT DOWN, AND ALL THE LIGHTS WERE OFF FOR HALF OF THEM.

SO, IT WAS VERY CONFUSING.

AND WHEN I READ THE THING ON YOUR AGENDA, IT TALKED ABOUT, WELL, SINCE IT'S GOING TO END ON A AND ALWAYS IN THE PAST.

AS A LONG TIME PERSON HERE.

IT USED TO ALWAYS START THE SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, AND IT ALWAYS ENDED ON THE 31ST OF JANUARY, UNLESS THE 31ST OF JANUARY ENDED ON A WEEKEND IN WHICH THE CITY COMMISSION ALLOWED THE BUSINESSES TO FINISH OUT THE WEEKEND WITH THE LIGHTS ON.

SO, I WAS STARTLED THIS YEAR WHEN IT ENDED ON A WEDNESDAY.

I COME DOWN ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT KNOWING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CROWDED, AND THERE THEY GOT TURNED OFF ON THE.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S KIND OF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SET SOMETHING SO THAT ALL THE BUSINESSES AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USED TO COMING INTO TOWN TO SEE THEM, THAT IT'S NOT FLUCTUATING. SO IF IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT TO ALWAYS THE LAST SUNDAY OF JANUARY, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO REALLY DO A GOOD JOB OF ADVERTISING IT.

OF COURSE, FOR THE AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN HAVING IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE LAST DAY OF JANUARY.

AND SO I JUST THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH KEEPING IT THAT WAY.

AND THEN THAT WAY THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN USED TO FOR THE 20 YEARS NOW.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS.

AND THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I TELL YOU IS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A LOCAL.

I USED TO ALWAYS I WAS KIND OF A TRADITION, GO DOWN AND SAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE ONE LAST LOOK AT THEM AND GOT A FRIEND.

WE ALL DROVE DOWN PARKED.

I'M GOING. WHAT? THEY'RE OFF.

WELL, HOW'D THIS HAPPEN? SO ANYWAY.

AND SOMEONE SAID, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYONE DOESN'T KEEP UP WITH CITY COMMISSION PASSING THIS EVERY TIME.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE FOR THE TOUR, THE LITTLE TROLLEYS AND EVERYTHING AND THE HOTELS AND EVERYONE THAT'S USED TO DOING THEIR BUSINESS AROUND THAT, JUST KEEP IT. THE SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND THE LAST DAY OF OF JANUARY, KNOWING THAT IF THE LAST DAY OF JANUARY FALLS ON A FRIDAY, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THE CITY COMMISSION WILL ADD THOSE EXTRA TWO DAYS ON.

BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN BE SURE THEY'RE ON UNTIL THE 31ST.

BUT I THINK TO CHANGE IT NOW IS REALLY CONFUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I DO SEEM TO RECALL A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THEY EXTENDED NIGHT'S LIGHTS ALL THE WAY TO VALENTINE'S DAY, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EXTREME.

IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ALREADY DISCUSSING NIGHTS OF LIGHTS, AND HERE IT IS.

WE'RE IN SPRING BREAK, AS NO NAME BAR REMINDED ME THE OTHER NIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS A FRIDAY, AND IT'S SPRING BREAK, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE LOUD.

BUT ONE THING I DO ASK THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER IS WHEN THOSE TROLLEYS ARE DRIVING THROUGH OUR TOWN AND THROUGH OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA, THAT WE DO ASK THEM TO BE CONSIDERATE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR LIVABLE CITY, NOT ENCOURAGING THEIR.

PASSENGERS TO YELL OUT AND SCREAM AND HOLLER AND SING THEIR SONGS AS LOUD AS THEY CAN, NO MATTER HOW LONG OR WHAT.

WHEN WE STARTED AND WHEN WE END IT, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

AND THAT WAS MR. SCOTT YORK, FOR THE RECORD.

OKAY. COMMISSIONERS.

LET'S HEAR THE RECOMMENDATION AGAIN.

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TO BOTH OF THE SPEAKER'S POINT.

I WOULD AGREE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF WE'VE CREATED THAT CONFUSION.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE CLARIFYING.

HOPEFULLY ONCE AND FOR ALL THE THE RECOMMENDATION IS.

THURSDAY. EXCUSE ME? SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND THE LAST SUNDAY OF JANUARY.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THE REASON WHY, INSTEAD OF JANUARY 31ST, IS BECAUSE OF THAT MOVING TARGET.

IT'S A MONDAY. IF IT'S A WEDNESDAY, IT'S MIDWEEK.

IS IT ON? IS IT OFF? IT GIVES OUR STREETS AND GROUNDS FOLKS THAT TIME CERTAIN THE LAST SUNDAY OF JANUARY.

I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK AND TO RESPOND TO MR. SCOTT'S COMMENT.

THE REASON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW IS TO HAVE THE DECISION MADE.

THERE'S NO QUESTION THE INDUSTRY LIKES TO PUT OUT THEIR HOLIDAY SPECIALS AS EARLY AS JUNE.

SO IN LIGHT THAT WE'VE JUST COME OUT OF NIGHTS OF LIGHTS, THAT WAS THE OTHER REASON.

AND WE'VE GOTTEN THE FEEDBACK FROM SOME FOLKS THAT THEY GET FATIGUE.

SO THAT WAS THAT'S WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION COMES FROM.

SO, SO PRACTICALLY WHAT I'M HEARING IS SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2025, THAT WOULD BE THE LAST SUNDAY OF JANUARY WOULD BE THE 26TH.

CORRECT. SO THAT SHORTEN IT.

SHORTEN IT'S SHORTEN IT.

SMALL 12345677 DAYS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS EXTENDED IT NO MATTER WHAT WE DID, EVEN IF IT ENDED THIRD.

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FRIDAY ENDS ON THE 31ST, WE WOULD STILL EXTEND IT THROUGH SUNDAY.

WE ALWAYS EXTENDED IT THROUGH SUNDAY NO MATTER WHERE IT FALLS.

JUST A REMINDER WE CHANGED ALL THAT IN 2020 OKAY OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO IN 2020 THE COMMISSION SET WELL NO ONE RESOLUTION THAT THE TRADITIONAL DATES WOULD END JANUARY 31ST.

YOU ARE CORRECT. HISTORICALLY IT JUMPED ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THIS IS THIS IS BETTER I, I JUST THINK WE CAN EASILY SAY THE SUNDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING THE SATURDAY, SATURDAY BEFORE SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING. THAT'S RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE DO IT ON SATURDAY, SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND THE LAST SUNDAY OF JANUARY.

YES, MA'AM. WE'LL TRY IT THAT WAY.

WE'VE TRIED IT EVERY OTHER WAY.

WHY NOT? WHY? I WILL BRING BACK A RESOLUTION.

I HAVE SUPPORT THIS.

YES, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I LIKE THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL AS WRITTEN.

I AM NOT CONDONING WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BUT I AM GOING TO SAY I HAVE HEARD MANY RESIDENTS THEIR WISH WOULD BE THAT THE NIGHTS OF LIGHTS ENDED ON JANUARY 2ND. SO I'M NOT EXACTLY.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE IS THAT COMPROMISE AND IT IS AN IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE, TIME, CERTAIN DATE, CERTAIN.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS GIVES CERTAINTY I KNOW YOU PUT OUT MULTIPLE NEWS AND NOTES ABOUT THE NIGHTS OF LIGHTS ENDING ON THE DATE THAT IT DID THIS YEAR, SO I SUPPORT IT.

YEAH. YEAH, I SUPPORT AS WELL.

I THINK ALSO IT DOES SHORTEN IT A LITTLE BIT ON BOTH ENDS.

SO WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF HELP FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE OVERBURDENED LIKE ME.

ALSO JUST AN EDITORIAL.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE GONE WAY BEYOND THE ORIGINAL INTENT TO HIGHLIGHT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE CITY, AND IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO TACKY.

THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

THAT'S JUST MY IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION TO.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, JUST I SUPPORT IT.

I AGREE, AND I ABSOLUTELY GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE WE HAD GREEN BUILDINGS AND RED BUILDINGS AND IT'S JUST IT'S GONE A LITTLE BIT IN ATTEMPT TO BEST EVERYONE.

IT HAS GOTTEN BEYOND THE ORIGINAL INTENT, WHICH WAS TO HIGHLIGHT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS, BLOW UP ANIMALS.

YES. WELL, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT THEN.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT NOT ONLY THAT IS WE DO WANT THEM ALL TO TURN THEIR LIGHTS OFF WHEN IT'S OVER.

IT WOULD BE NICE THAT WAY, I MEAN.

AND I'VE SAID OKAY, BUT GOOD.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? I'LL BE HAPPY TO. I'LL MAKE.

I MOVE, I'M SO MOVE.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I, I THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OH, BOY. ALL RIGHT THEN.

ITEMS BY CITY ATTORNEY.

I HAVE NONE, BUT I WILL HAVE AN UPDATE ON ALL THOSE BILLS WE WERE FOLLOWING.

NOT TODAY THOUGH.

WELL, THEY'RE STILL SORTING OUT, SO THANK YOU.

ITEMS BY CITY CLERK.

I HAVE NOTHING THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU.

I MISSED BY CITY MANAGER MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

[13. ITEMS BY CITY MANAGER]

[01:30:02]

I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY UPDATE YOU AND THE COMMUNITY ON AN IMPORTANT MATTER.

AT THE LAST MEETING, COMMISSIONER GARRIS BROUGHT UP SOME IMPORTANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE CITY'S HUMAN RESOURCES AND WORKFORCE PRACTICES.

THE FIRST STEP IN ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES IS TO LOOK AT THE DIVERSITY OF OUR WORKFORCE, OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

AND THE EMPLOYEE COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION.

IN ORDER TO PROPERLY INVESTIGATE THIS, WE HAVE ENGAGED.

AN EMPLOYMENT LAWYER.

HIS NAME IS AVERY MCKNIGHT.

HE IS WITH THE FIRM OF ALLEN, NORTON AND BLUE.

AND HE WORKS OUT OF THEIR TALLAHASSEE OFFICE.

MR. MCKNIGHT HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE LOOKING INTO THESE TYPES OF MATTERS.

WE ARE PROVIDING MR. MCKNIGHT WITH ALL OF THE DATA AND INFORMATION HE IS REQUESTING.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING HIS ANALYSIS OF THE DATA.

AND WE ALSO ARE USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN AND TO MAKE POSITIVE CHANGES TO THE ORGANIZATION.

I JUST FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO KEEP.

THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSION UP TO DATE WITH THIS INITIATIVE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

AND AS I PROMISED YOU AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING AFTER COMMISSIONER GARY'S COMMENTS THAT I THANK YOU FOR ENTRUSTING ME TO WORK THROUGH THIS. AND I HAVE TALKED WITH ISABELLE OUR CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL AS CITY MANAGER, AND THIS IS THE SOLUTION THAT CAME OUT. SO BASICALLY IT'S WE'LL TAKE EVERYBODY'S INPUT.

I THINK WE TOOK EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND SORT OF PUT IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK MOVING FORWARD, LIKE I'D LIKE TO. ASK AND REQUEST.

I KNOW THIS WAS THE WISH OF COMMISSIONER GARRIS.

WELL, JUST LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

I KIND OF TOOK THIS ON AT THE MEETING, BUT WHAT I WOULD HOPING IS AT YOUR AT YOUR SUGGESTION, AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD TO KIND OF TAKE IT ON, BUT HE WAS UNWILLING TO AND AND IT WAS THE REQUEST, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE HOW YOU HANDLED THAT.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BOTH OF YOU HANDLED IT REALLY WELL.

BUT MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE IT, SINCE YOU DO HAVE THAT EXPERTISE FOR HR, IF YOU WOULD KIND OF TAKE THIS MATTER ON AND WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED.

WELL, I'D BE HAPPY TO, BUT UNDER WHAT? WHAT KIND OF ROLE? WHAT. WELL, LET YOU KNOW.

HOW ABOUT WE TALK YOU TALK TO.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TONIGHT.

RIGHT? SO HOW ABOUT IF YOU TALK TO CITY MANAGER, TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT ROLE IS AND THEN LET US KNOW AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SURE. BUT YOU LIKE JUST IF YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE COULD BE THAT A CONSULTANT MAY WANT TO TALK TO ALL FIVE OF US.

OH WELL, I AGREE, I AGREE, BUT I WHAT I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING YOU WOULD BLOCK ANYBODY FROM TALKING BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ALL BE OPEN AND POROUS.

BUT THANK YOU. THAT'S A VERY GOOD CONSIDERATION.

BUT ALSO BUT KIND OF LIKE TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE AND KIND OF KEEP IT GOING, KEEP IT MOVING, SO TO SPEAK.

AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER GARRIS WILL TOO, BUT SURE, IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE, ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT? I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.

WHEN IT'S MY TURN. OKAY.

WOULD YOU LIKE US TO.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

OKAY. JUST BEFORE SHE COMMENTS, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE BOARD AS LONG AS YOU AND I HAVE THAT FOR, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST THE LAST SIX YEARS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO DIVERSIFY OUR WORKFORCE.

SO IT'S THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD.

I KNOW AT LEAST SIX YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SO SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY.

SO THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE? OKAY. NO. OKAY.

I'M GOOD WITH THE DIRECTION.

WHAT? YOU SAID.

I'M. I'M GOING TO PARTICIPATE AS APPROPRIATE.

AND I AM HOPING FOR A BETTER PATHWAY FORWARD.

OKAY. OKAY.

I WAS A LITTLE EMOTIONAL LAST WEEK, SO I HAD THIS WRITTEN DOWN.

I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS I MADE AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING DURING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

AS A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE AND BECAUSE OF SOME OF MY EXPERIENCES HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING CONCERNS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS CHALLENGING.

I AM VERY AWARE AND CLEAR OF THE COMMISSION'S ROLES AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC POLICY MAKING.

BECAUSE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE PUBLIC POLICY AND CITY STAFF ROLE IS TO ENFORCE THAT POLICY.

[01:35:04]

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE VALUABLE EMPLOYEES AND PLACE TO CARRY OUT THE DUTIES THAT HANDED DOWN TO THEM.

I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CITY MANAGER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL PERSONNEL MATTERS.

MY COMMENTS WERE MADE TO ENSURE THAT MR. BIRCHIM IS AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THE ORGANIZATION SEEMS TO BE FACING AS IT RELATES TO PERSONNEL MATTERS, TO ENSURE THAT THIS BODY IS ALSO AWARE, AND FURTHERMORE, TO ENSURE THAT THE PERSON WE SELECTED FOR THE CITY MANAGER ROLE HAS THE RESOURCES HE NEEDS TO ENSURE HIS STAFF IS THRIVING IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT.

AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, I CANNOT SPEAK TO MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT THESE TYPES OF MATTERS OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC SETTING.

THIS IS THE SPACE TO ADDRESS CONCERNS RELATED TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE, AND I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE ON THIS DIOCESE WOULD LIKE TO BE INFORMED IF THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH STAFF, BECAUSE IF OUR STAFFS AREN'T PERFORMING WELL OR DON'T FEEL VALUED IN THIS ORGANIZATION FOR ANY REASON, THAT BECOMES DETRIMENTAL TO THE WORK WE WERE ALL ELECTED TO DO.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE YOU HAVE AGREEMENT EVERYONE WITH A MAJORITY.

WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THE PATH FORWARD.

YES. AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. AVERY, AND I KNOW HE SAID HE'S GOING TO SPEAK TO ALL OF US INDIVIDUALLY.

OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S.

THANK YOU. THAT'S COOL.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

VERY WELL PUT.

ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER ITEMS, MR. CITY MANAGER? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS]

YES. I'LL BE GLAD TO GO FIRST.

I WOULD LIKE TO TO TALK ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND THE STEPS WE'VE TAKEN.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE NOISE, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE DID NOT PASS WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO BE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALL ENCOURAGED MR. BIRCHUM TO MOVE FORWARD, AND HE IS MOVING FORWARD ON IT, ALTHOUGH NOT AT THE SATISFACTION OF MOST PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE WORKING TOWARD IT.

THE SECOND THING WAS THE NIGHT TIME MANAGER, AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND AS MRS. MICKLER MENTIONED HAVING IT BE A COMPLAINT.

ORDINANCE. IS IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

AND I THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE BOTH.

WE CAN HAVE A COMPLAINT ORDINANCE, AND WE CAN HAVE AN ORDINANCE WHERE WE HAVE OFFICERS WHO ARE OUT SEEKING PROPER BEHAVIOR FOR A LOT OF THINGS, NOT JUST THE NOISE.

SO I'M ENCOURAGED.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TOO SLOW TO MAKE TO SATISFY EVERYBODY, INCLUDING ME, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE SMALL GOVERNMENT WORKS WITH A NUMBER OF PERSONNEL WE HAVE.

THE SECOND THING IS ON THE PARKING ORDINANCE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I IT OCCURRED TO ME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING ORDINANCE WAS THAT THERE BE SOME BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE IN TO WEST AUGUSTINE AND THE SAN MARCO AREA.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN RESTRICTED FROM MOVING IN.

THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS, NOT JUST RESTAURANTS AND TOURIST T SHIRTS AND ANTIQUE STORE STORES, BUT MAYBE A GROCERY STORE AND MAYBE ANOTHER DOCTOR.

ANOTHER DENTIST COULD MOVE IN BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED THOSE REQUIREMENTS, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT WILL BE TRUE.

LOVELY. GOOD. I ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS THE NOISE ORDINANCE, AND I MIGHT PUT YOU ON THE SPOT FOR A MOMENT.

CITY ATTORNEY.

LOPEZ. I THINK THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING WITH REGARD TO THE STATE PREEMPTION THAT TOOK PLACE ON NOVEMBER 1ST OF LAST YEAR.

THAT REQUIRES A BUSINESS IMPACT STUDY.

AND COULD YOU JUST, IN LIGHT OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT ARE BEING MADE, GIVE SOME BACKGROUND? AND I THINK I JUST WANT TO REST IT THERE.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS AFTER THAT.

THANK YOU. LAST YEAR'S BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT REQUIREMENT HAD AN EXEMPTION FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION OR A CHAPTER 163, PART TWO TYPE OF ORDINANCE.

OUR NOISE ORDINANCE IS NOT THAT SO? OUR NOISE ORDINANCE IS NOT CURRENTLY TIED TO ZONING OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS.

IT'S SORT OF A STANDALONE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY TYPE ORDINANCE.

SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE EXEMPTION OF LAST YEAR'S BILL.

I WILL NOTE THAT THIS YEAR'S BILL TAKES AWAY THAT EXEMPTION ANYWAY.

SO HERE WE GO.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE WERE TO, FOR EXAMPLE, MAKE A DECISION TO.

AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS, THIS IS A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT.

IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE NOISE ORDINANCE SO THAT ALL, ALL OUTSIDE NOISE STOPPED AT 10:00 AT NIGHT, IF THE CURRENT BILL PASSES, WOULD THAT MEAN THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO DO THE BUSINESS IMPACT STUDY AND FACE ALL OF THE LAWSUITS THAT COME FROM THAT, POTENTIALLY,

[01:40:04]

REGARDLESS, FOR A NOISE ORDINANCE, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO A BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT, LAST YEAR'S STATUTE OR THIS YEAR'S BILL THAT WAS PASSED. THE BETTER EXAMPLE IS OUR PARKING ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST HEARD.

THAT IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION.

AND LAST YEAR'S BILL CREATED AN EXEMPTION FOR IT, WHICH IS WHY MISS SKINNER POINTED OUT, BY THE WAY, THERE'S NO BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT BECAUSE IT FALLS UNDER THE EXEMPTION STARTING OCTOBER THIS YEAR.

IT WOULDN'T MATTER.

WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO DO A BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT FOR THE PARKING ORDINANCE.

BUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS NOT A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION, SO IT WOULDN'T BE EXEMPT FROM THE BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT EVEN UNDER.

LAST POINT IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO UNDERGO THE BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGE TO IT OF OF ANY SUBSTANCE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AND SPONSOR THE NAMING OF WHAT WE'RE NOW REFERRING TO AS WEEDEN POCKET PARK IN LINCOLNVILLE.

THE CRA FUNDS WILL BE USED, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT.

BUT THE NAMING OF PARKS IS DONE BY US AND NOT THE CRA BOARD.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONSIDER NAMING THE PARK FOR SOMEONE WITH HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE LINCOLNVILLE COMMUNITY.

POSSIBLY 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT OR ANOTHER IMPORTANT ERA OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SEVERAL COULD BE PROPOSED TO US, POTENTIALLY FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, AS I'M TOLD, THE PARK CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE COMPLETED THIS SUMMER, AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE WOULD HAVE THAT IDEA PUT BEFORE US BEFORE CONSTRUCTION ENDS AND THE PARK IS OPENED.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR SUPPORT FOR THAT IDEA, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IT HAS A NAME.

NOW, WHAT WOULD WE BE REPLACING? YOU KNOW, HOW DID IT GET A NAME? OR IS IT? WHO'S CALLING IT ANYTHING? IT'S NOT A NAME. IT'S JUST BEEN INFORMALLY CALLED THE WHEATON POCKET PARK BECAUSE IT'S ON WHEATON STREET.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

NO, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. THAT'S FINE.

NORMALLY, YES. AND I LOVE THAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE.

AND I DON'T THINK THE COMP PLAN STILL SAYS THIS, BUT IT USED TO HAVE SORT OF A LIST OF CATEGORIES, I DON'T KNOW, DOES IT STILL COMPLY AND STILL HAVE THAT PROVISION ABOUT WHO WE NAME PARKS AFTER? AND WE DO HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR NAMING PARKS.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WAS STREET NAMING THAT DROPPED NAMING.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH.

BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY PRODUCE A LIST OF INVESTORS THROUGH THE COMMUNITY OF, OF NAMES AND A PARK, NAMES AND INDIVIDUAL NAMES THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR WHEATON POCKET PARK AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.

YOU DON'T HAVE A NAME AND YOU DON'T HAVE A NAME AND NO IN MIND.

NO, I LEAVE THAT TO STAFF TO COME TO US WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

AFTER REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK JAMIE PERKINS WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THIS PROJECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

SO YES, THAT'S VERY AGREEABLE.

I'M AGREEABLE. YEAH.

GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? I'M GOOD. OKAY.

YEAH. SO I'M I, I PREFER TO CALL THE NOISE WHAT EVERYBODY REFERS TO AS A NOISE ORDINANCE.

THE SOUND ORDINANCE.

JUST BECAUSE AFTER GOING THROUGH THE RESPONSIBLE HOSPITALITY INSTITUTE, THAT WAS A POINT THEY REALLY DROVE HOME TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT ABOUT MUSIC ISN'T ALWAYS NOISE.

SO AND WE'RE KIND OF CALLING IT THAT BY CALLING IT A NOISE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TIME IT'S THE MUSIC THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REGULATE.

SO AND IT REALLY IS MORE ABOUT SOUND NOW THAT WE KNOW MORE ABOUT SOUND AND WHAT IT DOES, IT REALLY IS NOT ALL NOISE.

SO BUT I DO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT.

BILL 170.

SENATE BILL 170.

AND HOW IT SHOOK OUT IN THE END.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE BILL THAT WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR, DID IT PASS ALL COMMITTEES? AND SO IT IS. IS IT ON? THE GOVERNOR'S ENGROSSED.

SO IT'S WAITING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S WAITING FOR SIGNATURE OR NO SIGNATURE OR VETO.

BUT YEAH, IT IS ENGROSSED.

OKAY. SO WELL THAT DOESN'T HELP BECAUSE EVEN IF WE DO CHANGE THE SOUND ORDINANCE AND MOVE IT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PORTION, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

SO. WELL, WE ARE IT LOOKS LIKE AGAIN, WE MISSED THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY.

UNLESS WE CAN GET IT DONE BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST.

NO, I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR ORDINANCE, SO I WILL I WILL NOT LAMENT THAT, BUT I WILL NOTE THAT IT DID.

THE ORIGINAL VERSION THAT WAS PASSED UNDER MAYOR TRACY UPCHURCH DID HAVE A PROVISION IN IT.

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AND THE ONE THAT CAME TO US ORIGINALLY WAS TO NOT ALLOW OUTDOOR MUSIC OR MUSIC EMANATING FROM BUILDINGS AFTER 10 P.M., SO BUT THAT WAS LOST.

SO THERE YOU GO.

I THINK THE WINDOW IS CLOSED, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS SOUND ORDINANCE.

I GUESS WE COULD. WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE.

AS WE GO FORWARD, WE'LL TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME, ONE STEP AT A TIME AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.

ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU.

IT WAS A GREAT MEETING.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Mar 11, 2024 City Commission

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