Jan 22, 2024 City Commission

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ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ME. GOOD EVENING.

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

NANCY. SIKES-KLINE HERE.

ROXANNE HORVATH HERE.

BARBARA BLONDER HERE.

CYNTHIA GARRIS HERE.

JIM SPRINGFIELD HERE.

ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE AN INVOCATION FOR INVOCATION.

SO THIS EVENING, THE INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY MINISTER STEVEN KAUP WITH CREEKSIDE CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND WILL BE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY VICE MAYOR ROXANNE HORVATH.

WILL YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION? WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LET US PRAY.

DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, FIRST LET ME EXPRESS DEEP THANKS AND GRATITUDE FOR ALL WHO ARE GATHERED HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS FOR LIFE ITSELF AND THIS DAY WHICH YOU HAVE MADE.

GOD, THANK YOU FOR THE VERY BREATH IN OUR LUNGS AND THE GROUND BENEATH OUR FEET, FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND HONOR IT IS TO BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CALLING UPON YOUR NAME AT THIS APPOINTED HOUR, IN THIS APPOINTED PLACE.

THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF FREEDOM WE CAN ENJOY IN CHRIST OUR SAVIOR, AS WELL AS CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT NATION.

IN THE SCRIPTURES.

LORD, YOU'VE SAID THAT CITIZENS OUGHT TO OBEY THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES YOU'VE ESTABLISHED IN ORDER TO PROMOTE PEACE, ORDER, AND JUSTICE.

SO WE PRAY FOR EACH OF THESE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THEIR BELOVED FAMILIES, THE ASSEMBLED COUNCIL HERE TODAY.

MAY YOU GRACIOUSLY GRANT THEM WISDOM TO GOVERN, ESPECIALLY AMID THE CONFLICTING INTERESTS AND ISSUES OF OUR TIME, A GOOD SENSE OF THE WELFARE AND TRUE NEEDS OF OUR PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES, A SINCERE THIRST FOR JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS, CONFIDENCE IN THEIR DECISION MAKING IN WHAT IS GOOD AND FITTING, THE ABILITY TO COLLABORATE TOGETHER IN UNITY EVEN WHERE THERE IS HONEST DISAGREEMENT FOR PERSONAL PEACE IN THEIR SOULS LIVES AND JOY IN THEIR NOBLE TASK. I PRAY FOR THE AGENDA SET BEFORE THEM TODAY.

PLEASE GIVE THEM AN ASSURANCE OF WHAT YOU, WHAT WOULD PLEASE YOU, AND WHAT COULD ALSO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN, WORK IN, AND MAKE UP OUR BELOVED CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY? SO IT IS BY YOU, ALMIGHTY GOD, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT WE PRAY.

AMEN. AMEN.

PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

PLEASE BE SEATED.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS.

[2. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS]

OR DO WE HAVE A MODIFICATION? WE DON'T HAVE ANY MODIFICATIONS THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY MODIFICATIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? NO. NO MODIFICATIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I SO MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS IS.

I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE, UNDER SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS.

[3. SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS]

I SEE A VERY GOOD, HEALTHY REPRESENTATION.

THIS EVENING. WELCOME.

I'M COMMISSIONER GARRIS WILL PRESENT THE CERTIFICATE.

WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME.

THANK YOU. SORRY.

CAN I GET, FORMER COMMODORE DAVID PATRICK, KATHLEEN FLORIAN, COMMODORE AND JUDY FEGAN.

WHEREAS DURING THE POST CIVIL WAR ERA, A GROUP OF YACHTSMEN FORMED A CLUB IN SAINT AUGUSTINE TO PROMOTE AND ENJOY THEIR COMMON INTERESTS OF SAILING.

THE SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB WAS FORMALLY ESTABLISHED AT AN 1874 WITH BYLAWS AND A COMMODORE ELECTION, THUS MAKING IT THE FIRST YACHT CLUB IN FLORIDA.

AND WHEREAS THE CLUB'S PURPOSE WAS THE PROMOTION OF YACHTING, YACHT RACING AND CRUISING, AN ADDITION UNDER ULYSSES S GRANT, PRESIDENCY

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THE CRASH OF THE STOCK MARKET IN 1929 BEGAN A SLOW DECLINE IN PARTICIPATION AND MEMBERSHIP, ENDING WITH THE CLUB'S DEMOLISHING IN 1939, AND WHEREAS 39 YEARS LATER THE BUILDING OF A NEW MARINA BOUGHT SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHTSMAN TOGETHER ONCE AGAIN.

THIS RESULTED IN A SUCCESSFUL EFFORT TO ACTIVATE THE OLD CHARTER OF THE CLUB, AND IN THE SPRING OF 1978, THE SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB WAS RECOMMISSIONED AND WHEREAS TODAY THE PURPOSE OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB IS THE SAME AS IT WAS IN 1873 TO PROMOTE BOATING AND WATER RELATED ACTIVITIES.

CRUISING, SAILING AND RACING.

SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB'S BURGEE, A WHITE FORTRESS ON A RED FIELD, FLIES ABOVE ALL MEMBERS YACHTS AND HIGH ABOVE THE CLUBHOUSE OF ONE OF THE OLDEST YACHT CLUBS IN AMERICA.

NOW, THEREFORE, THE CITY COMMISSION OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE THE 150TH ANNIVERSARY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB AND CALLS UPON ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN IN THE MANY SPECIAL EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES PLANNED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND THIS IS WITNESSED.

I SET MY HAND AND DO SEAL OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA TO BE AFFIXED THIS 22ND DAY OF JANUARY AND THE YEAR OF OUR LORD, 2024, AND THE 488TH YEAR OF THE FOUNDING OF SAINT AUGUSTINE'S NATION'S OLDEST CITY, SIGNED BY OUR MAYOR, NANCY SIKES-KLINE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS ESPECIALLY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARRIS, FOR SPONSORING THIS, CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION.

WE INVITE EVERYBODY TO TAKE PART IN OUR FESTIVITIES THIS YEAR.

THE FIRST OF WHICH WILL BE OUR MASQUERADE BALL, AS IN YEARS GONE BY AT THE, RIVER HOUSE.

AND IT'S ON THE, 13TH OF FEBRUARY, SO EVERYONE IS INVITED.

SO, WE'LL HAVE LOTS OF FUN THERE.

AND, HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS, INDEED AN HONOR.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE MASQUERADE BALL.

THE MASQUERADE BALL WAS ACTUALLY STARTED, BY HENRY FLAGLER IN THE 1800S.

AND IT'S COMPARABLE TO YOUR NIGHT OF LIGHTS NOW.

WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY TOURISTS COMING IN, THE MASQUERADE BALL BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM FLORIDA AND GEORGIA AND FILLED ALL THE HOTELS IN TOWN.

SO IT'S THE EARLY VERSION OF THE NIGHT OF LIGHTS, I GUESS.

BUT ANYHOW, COUPLED WITH THAT, THEY ALSO, EVERY YEAR THE YACHT CLUB DID YOU SAILING LESSONS FOR ALL THE CHILDREN IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING NEW SAILING LESSONS FOR YEARS AND YEARS, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT'S QUITE AN HONOR.

DO YOU WANT THE OTHER PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD? THEY CAME OUT TO A UNIFORM.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

NO. NO.

YOU GO OVER THERE. ANYBODY BEHIND? THIS.

THE GYM. BEHIND HIM.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I HOPE I SEE ALL THAT HE WAS SAYING.

CONGRATULATIONS. YES, YES, THANK.

YOU. THANK YOU FOREVER.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES YOU DID.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'M FINE. GOING UP.

MARINA. YEAH.

ARE YOU OKAY? WANT TO KNOW WHO? THE COMMANDER.

THE LADY, THE COMMODORE, THE LADY.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. THE LADY.

HER NAME IS KATHLEEN.

YEAH. I DID.

OH. YOU DID. I NAMED HER FIRST.

OKAY. MY PHONE REAPPEARED.

OKAY. YES.

TARA. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO SAY.

SHE TOLD ME. I FOUND THEY FOUND IT FOR ME.

I WAS HAVING NIGHTMARES.

OKAY, I UNDERSTAND, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT WAS LOVELY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING]

AND ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK.

CARD IN THE BACK.

PRESENT IT TO, I THINK CHIEF.

CHIEF IS BACK THERE, AND I WILL GET IT.

THOSE. YES. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD AND SIT IN THE EMPTY CHAIRS THAT WERE CREATED.

YES. VERY COOL.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S SEE.

FIRST UP IS.

IT LOOKS LIKE.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS I HAVE MEREDITH STROUD, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY HOUSING GRANT.

YES, MA'AM. AND, IF YOU'RE NEW TO THIS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STATE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU SO DESIRE, AS WELL AS YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

OKAY. HI.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MEREDITH STROUD, AND MY ADDRESS IS 825 AVERY STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY HOUSING GRANT.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY PERSONAL TO ME.

BECAUSE THIS IS CURRENTLY GOING ON, THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS AN EMERGENCY HOUSING GRANT THAT I APPLIED FOR A YEAR AGO, WHICH I HAVE BEEN CALLED UP FOR RECENTLY.

MY HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM IS 16 YEARS OLD AND NOT WORKING.

I WAS ASKED IF THE HOUSING GRANTS CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR COULD VISIT MY HOME TO LOOK AT THE SYSTEM.

LAST WEEK HE WALKED IN THE DOOR AND SAID HE WON'T BE ABLE TO HELP.

I SAID OKAY.

HE SAID THAT EVEN THOUGH THE GRANT IS $7,500, THEY TAKE 20% OFF THE TOP AND THAT LEAVES ME WITH $6,000.

I HAVE GOTTEN A FEW DIFFERENT ESTIMATES FROM CONTRACTORS AROUND TOWN TO REPLACE MY INSIDE AND OUTSIDE UNIT.

PRICES RANGE FROM 6500 TO THE HIGHEST BEING 8900.

UNFORTUNATELY, I'M ONLY ALLOWED TO USE THEIR CONTRACTORS.

THEY WORK WITH THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.

THE INSPECTOR INFORMED ME THAT I CANNOT GET HELP BECAUSE THEIR SYSTEMS RANGE FROM 10 TO $12,000.

I TOLD HIM I COULD GET A SYSTEM FOR $6,800 FROM A LOCAL COMPANY HERE IN TOWN, BUT HE SAID I CANNOT USE ANYONE ELSE BUT HIS CONTRACTORS.

HE BEGAN TO SAY THAT THREE OTHER FAMILIES JUST RECENTLY GOT DECLINED BECAUSE THEY NEEDED UNITS AS WELL.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THIS GRANT IS FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES.

HIS CONTRACTORS ARE CHARGING ANYWHERE FROM A 30% TO 40% MARKUP, COMPARED TO SIMILAR COMPANIES HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND TO TAKE $1,500 OFF THE TOP OF $7,500 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE EITHER.

I UNDERSTAND HIS CONTRACTORS NEED TO GET PAID, BUT WHY NOT USE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE THAT ARE WELL KNOWN HERE LOCALLY IN SAINT AUGUSTINE? INSTEAD? I'M GETTING DENIED.

THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE ARE MAKING IT EXTREMELY HARD TO GET THIS HELP I NEED.

I DESPERATELY NEED TO GET THIS FIXED.

THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT A BAND AID ON MY SYSTEM AND GET IT UP AND WORKING, THOUGH THEY HAVE DECIDED TO DO THAT.

MY DAUGHTER HAS SEVERE ASTHMA, AND THE SYSTEM REALLY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE I HAVE MOLD IN THE HOUSE CURRENTLY IN THE SYSTEM AND IT'S NOT WORKING.

I'M ASKING, IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN GET APPROVED TO USE LOCAL CONTRACTORS THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE OF MY CHOICE?

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NORMALLY WE DON'T RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT SINCE YOU CAME FORWARD AND YOU HAVE THIS URGENT ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT, YOU YOU LIVE IN THIS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS.

AND I BELIEVE THE PROGRAM THAT YOU NEED THAT YOU HAVE ASSISTANCE IS IS A COUNTY PROGRAM.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO DO IS TO, SPEAK WITH MR. CITY MANAGER DAVID BIRCHAM, AND HE CAN POINT YOU TO THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE COUNTY AND HELP YOU GET THAT.

GET CONNECTED.

YES, MA'AM. IF YOU CAN. ON YOUR WAY OUT, TALK TO REUBEN FRANKLIN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

AND IF YOU GIVE HIM YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION, WE CAN GET YOU CONNECTED WITH WHOEVER IN THE COUNTY WOULD BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

THE PROGRAM YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS NOT A CITY PROGRAM.

OKAY? SO YOU'RE JUST IN THE WRONG PLACE, BUT WE'LL TRY TO MAKE A CONNECTION FOR YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO NEXT UP IS SCOTT YORK, FOLLOWED BY MARTHA MARTHA HAHN.

SCOTT YORK, AND AFTER SCOTT WILL BE MARTHA HAHN.

SO, TO KEEP THINGS GOING, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SPEAKER CARDS.

MARTHA HAHN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SIT HERE IN THIS, IN THIS CHAIR IN THE FRONT ROW.

IF YOU YOU WOULD PLEASE DO THAT.

THANK YOU. WELCOME, MR. YORK. GOOD EVENING.

SCOTT YORK, 29 SPANISH STREET.

SINCE SEPTEMBER THE 8TH OF 1565, THIS CITY HAS STOOD AS A MODEL TO CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD, EVEN AS FLORIDA'S VIBRANT TOURISM INDUSTRY WAS BEING BORN AND CREATED BY HENRY FLAGLER, HE WAS ALSO LAYING OUT PLANS FOR BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO THRIVE AND COEXIST TOGETHER IN HARMONY.

AS MANY OF YOU WERE PREPARING TO CELEBRATE AND HONOR DOCTOR MARTIN LUTHER KING ON JANUARY 15TH.

I WAS HAVING MY OWN DREAM.

BUT THAT DREAM WAS INTERRUPTED BY THE OBNOXIOUSLY LOUD MUSIC COMING FROM THE NO NAME BAR.

THESE NOISE ISSUES HAVE BEEN PLAGUING THE RESIDENTS OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR MANY YEARS, AND I REMEMBER BACK IN AUGUST, SITTING IN THIS VERY ROOM WHEN IT WAS FILLED TO CAPACITY, MUCH LIKE IT IS TODAY.

AND IT WAS AT THIS TIME THAT THIS COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF CAVED TO THE WHIMS AND DESIRES OF NO NAME BAR AND A FEW OTHER BUSINESSES, WHILE IGNORING THE WILL AND DESIRES OF THE CONSTITUENTS WHO SIT BEFORE YOU TODAY.

PROMISES WERE MADE TO US THAT TEETH AND STRENGTH WOULD BE ADDED TO THE CURRENT INADEQUATE NOISE ORDINANCE.

SINCE JANUARY 1ST, THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST SIX NOISE COMPLAINTS FILED AGAINST NO NAME BAR ALONE.

BUT THIS CITY'S OWNED BY THIS CITY'S OWN DEFINITION OF A NUISANCE BUSINESS.

THIS BUSINESS QUALIFIES.

AND I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY TO IMPLORE THIS COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE TO THE CONSTITUENTS WHO SIT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND PROTECT OUR RIGHTS TO A PEACEFUL NIGHT'S REST.

THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO DID REPLY TO MY EMAILS.

COMMISSIONER BLUNDER COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD TO THE OTHERS.

I HOPE THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO READ THEM, AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL IMPLORE THE STAFF TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THOSE PROMISES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

MARTHA, MARTHA HAHN, FOLLOWED BY BARBARA OLSON.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU PLEASE VOTE NO ON ITEM TEN E ANNEXATION OF FISH ISLAND MARINA AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THE ANNEXATION AND MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING REQUEST IS INCONGRUENT WITH OUR CITY'S CONSERVATION LAND ACQUISITION INITIATIVE.

THIS ANNEXATION REQUEST IS ALSO INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2040, WHICH MINE IS VERY WELL MARKED HERE.

VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND RESILIENCY PLAN.

AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE SPENT IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO PREVENT MORE FLOODING.

OYSTER BEDS, FISH AND WILDLIFE ARE PLACED UNDER THREAT WHEN WATER QUALITY IS DIMINISHED.

AND OF COURSE, ALL THIS BUILDING WAS WILL DIMINISH WATER QUALITY.

THE CITY HAS NOTHING TO GAIN BY ANNEXING THESE PROPERTIES, AND I ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL SHOW HERE.

OKAY? OKAY.

THIS IS, THIS IS HOW THE MARSH LOOKS.

AND THIS IS, ALL THE TREES.

I THINK MOST ARE RED CEDARS.

SO PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS ANNEXATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

PARDON ME. NEXT SPEAKER IS BARBARA OLSEN.

WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MAUREEN LONG.

PARDON ME. BARBARA OLSEN, 1824 OLD BEACH ROAD, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, 32080.

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I AM SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE PETITION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AND PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR THREE PARCELS OF LAND AT FISH ISLAND MARINA AND TWO ADJACENT MARSH PIECES TO ANNEX FISH ISLAND INTO THE CITY.

IT'S ITEM TEN ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE ANNEXATION IS SOUGHT IN ORDER TO REZONE THE MARINA PARCEL FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

IN ADDITION TO BEING A RESIDENT OF OLD BEACH ROAD, MY HUSBAND AND I ALSO OWN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO SAFE PET RESCUE AT THE NORTH END OF THE ISLAND, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO OUR HOME.

WE BELIEVE WE APPRECIATE COMMERCIAL INTERESTS AND BUSINESS INTERESTS.

MY OPPOSITION STEMS FROM CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOSS OF NATURAL RESILIENCY OFFERED BY THE LAND AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHY DEVELOPMENT COULD BE APPEALING TO SOME STAKEHOLDERS.

HOWEVER, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE LARGER BENEFIT OF LAND PRESERVATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, NOT ONLY FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF NATURAL LANDS AND WATERWAYS, BUT FOR THE IMPORTANT BUFFERS AGAINST FLOODING AND THE DEVASTATING ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT OCCURS WHEN THIS IS LOST.

I'D ASK THAT YOU INVEST IN OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE WELL-BEING IN REJECTING THE PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MAUREEN LONG IS NEXT, FOLLOWED BY NANCY MURPHY.

HERE'S SOME PICTURES.

HERE WE GO. MAUREEN LONG, 1821 SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I OBJECT TO THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF FISH ISLAND MARINA AND ITS PARCELS.

THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE MATANZAS RIVER THAT HOLDS VITAL IMPORTANCE OF EXISTING WETLANDS AND RIPARIAN AREAS.

THESE WETLANDS MAY APPEAR TO BE JUST AN EXPANSE OF MUDFLATS, BUT IT IS TEEMING WITH LIFE, INCLUDING BACTERIA, SNAILS, WORMS, CRABS, FISH, SHELLFISH, MANGROVES, SPARTINA GRASS, MIGRATORY AND COASTAL BIRDS.

WITH NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY NOR A WETLAND ASSESSMENT PROVIDED FOR THIS VULNERABLE PROPERTY, IT SEEMS IRRESPONSIBLE TO AGREE TO THIS ANNEXATION.

ECONOMICALLY VITAL FISH SPECIES SUCH AS FLOUNDER, REDFISH, SEA TROUT AND SNOOK CAN BE FOUND HERE IN NO NAME CREEK.

YES. NO. NAME CREEK.

YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT ABOVE HERE AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OUR COASTAL WETLANDS SERVE AS NURSERIES FOR OUR FISHERIES.

THEY HELP FILTER POLLUTANTS SUCH AS NUTRIENTS THAT CAUSE ALGAE BLOOMS. THEY PROTECT PROPERTY AGAINST FLOODING AND STORM SURGES.

SO MUCH NEEDED, ESPECIALLY ON ANASTASIA ISLAND.

THE WETLAND AREA WHICH DRAINS OUT OF THE NO NAME CREEK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, GOES ALL THE WAY INTO THOSE WETLANDS.

SO THE WETLAND AREA WHICH DRAINS OUT OF THE NO NAME CREEK OCCUPIES HUNDREDS OF ACRES, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THIS PHOTO, PROVIDES RESILIENCY TO THE HUNDREDS OF HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVE ALONG THE MARSH.

THE RECENT PATTERN OF BUILDING AND FLOOD PRONE AREAS PUTS RESIDENTS AT RISK AND CREATES LIABILITY FOR CITY AND COUNTY.

EVERY TIME WE FILL, BUILD AND PAVE OVER COASTAL WETLANDS, WE CREATE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND INCREASE STORM WATER RUNOFF AND THE ABILITY OF WETLANDS TO ABSORB FLOOD WATERS AND FILTER HARMFUL POLLUTANTS.

FOR THESE REASONS, AND MANY MORE, I URGE YOU TO OPPOSE THE PROPOSAL TO ALLOW THIS ANNEXATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, NANCY MURPHY, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS FULMER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, FOR WELCOMING ME, INVITING ME TO COME UP AND SPEAK.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU.

I'M GLAD TO BE BACK.

I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU SINCE LAST YEAR, BUT I'M STILL HERE ABOUT THE SAME THING, REMINDING US HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO NOT JUST BE A COMPASSIONATE CITY, BUT TO GROW INTO A MORE COMPASSIONATE CITY.

WE ARE NOW 15 YEARS INTO THE COMPASSIONATE MOVEMENT BEGUN IN GREAT BRITAIN BY A WOMAN WHO SAW THAT COMPASSION WAS SADLY LACKING IN OUR WORLD.

AND IN THOSE 15 YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 550 CITIES THAT HAVE COMMITTED TO BEING COMPASSIONATE CITIES.

I'M GRATEFUL TO BE A RESIDENT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHICH WAS THE FIRST COMPASSIONATE CITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE 20TH COMPASSIONATE CITY IN THE WORLD. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT HERE, AS WE STAND TEN YEARS AFTER COMPASSIONATE SAINT AUGUSTINE WAS FORMED, THAT I AM GRATEFUL.

SERVANT SERVING AS LIAISON BETWEEN THE INTERNATIONAL CHARTER FOR COMPASSION AND COMPASSIONATE SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND US OF THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE FOURTH PARAGRAPHS OF THE CHARTER FOR COMPASSION, SO THAT WE CAN, ALLOW

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THE PRINCIPLE OF COMPASSION LIES AT THE HEART OF ALL RELIGIOUS, ETHICAL AND SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, CALLING US ALWAYS TO TREAT ALL OTHERS AS WE WISH TO BE TREATED OURSELVES.

COMPASSION IMPELS US TO WORK TIRELESSLY TO ALLEVIATE THE SUFFERING OF OUR FELLOW CREATURES.

TO DETHRONE OURSELVES FROM THE CENTER OF OUR UNIVERSE AND PUT ANOTHER THERE.

AND TO HONOR THE INVIOLABLE SANCTITY OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING, TREATING EVERYBODY WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WITH ABSOLUTE JUSTICE, EQUITY AND RESPECT.

WE URGENTLY NEED TO MAKE COMPASSION A CLEAR, LUMINOUS AND DYNAMIC FORCE IN OUR POLARIZED WORLD.

ROOTED IN A PRINCIPLED DETERMINATION TO TRANSCEND SELFISHNESS.

COMPASSION CAN BREAK DOWN POLITICAL, DOGMATIC, IDEOLOGICAL, AND RELIGIOUS BOUNDARIES.

BORN OF OUR DEEP INTERDEPENDENCE.

COMPASSION IS ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS AND TO A FULFILLED HUMANITY.

IT IS THE PATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT AND INDISPENSABLE TO THE CREATION OF A JUST ECONOMY AND A PEACEFUL, GLOBAL COMMUNITY.

THE CHARTER FOR COMPASSION WAS DRAFTED IN GENEVA, SWITZERLAND IN FEBRUARY OF 2009.

AND COMPASSIONATE SAINT AUGUSTINE, AS I SAID TEN YEARS AGO, BEGAN AND DEVELOPED ITS MISSION FOR INFLUENCING, INSPIRING AND GROWING A CULTURE OF COMPASSION THROUGH ADVOCACY, AWARENESS AND ACTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS FULMER, FOLLOWED BY JOHN HODGSON.

HI. GOOD EVENING AND HAPPY NEW YEAR, CHRIS FULMER.

I LIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THERE'S A RESOLUTION TONIGHT INVOLVING THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD.

AND I WILL SAY ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN MAKE OUR CITY AS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AND BEAUTIFUL AS WE WISH.

WE CAN PUT AS MANY RESTRICTIONS ON OUR ENTRY CORRIDORS AS YOU LIKE.

WE STILL HAVE THE EYESORE AT 22 AVENIDA MENENDEZ.

I UNDERSTAND FREE SPEECH.

I UNDERSTAND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.

BUT WHAT AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE AN OWNER COVER HIS HOME ON THE MAIN STREET, ON OUR WATERFRONT WITH CONSPIRACY THEORY SIGNS.

SOME FRIENDS TOOK A BOAT TOUR LAST WEEK FOR THE KNIGHTS OF LIGHTS, AND WHEN PEOPLE STARTED COMMENTING ABOUT THE RIDICULOUS HOUSE, THE TOUR GUIDE SAID, WE ALL SHAKE OUR HEADS AND LOOK AWAY. SURELY SOMEONE IN THIS CITY KNOWS THIS PERSON, THIS OWNER, SUFFICIENTLY TO TELL HIM THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE WANT OUR AVENIDA BACK. FOR SPANISH STREET.

BOB, PLEASE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON SPANISH STREET.

THEY LIVE HERE. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND WHEN THEY SAY THEY WANT TO MAKE A PEDESTRIAN STREET, BELIEVE THEM.

PART OF THE REASON WE CONSTRUCTED COMPLETE STREETS ON HYPOLITA SO WE COULD CLOSE OFF THE STREET ON BIG TOURIST WEEKENDS AND THINGS.

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE OCCASION FITS.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT NO NAME BAR, AND THE SPEAKER WAS CORRECT.

YOU DID PROMISE TO ENFORCE THE NOISE ORDINANCE? THIS ESTABLISHMENT HAS A LONG HISTORY OF IGNORING THE NOISE ORDINANCE, SO KINDLY LISTEN TO THEM AS WELL.

IT'S A NEW YEAR, NIGHTS OF LIGHTS AND SOON.

SO PLEASE GO DOWNTOWN AND SEE IT ONE MORE TIME.

YOU'LL MISS IT WHEN IT'S GONE.

AND SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESS.

BE KIND TO YOUR WAITSTAFF.

TIP YOUR SERVERS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN HODGMAN, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN HILL.

JD HODGSON, 12 FLAMINGO DRIVE.

I'M HERE TO ASK THE CITY TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY FROM THE COUNTY TO THE CITY.

THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS ALREADY IN CONSERVATION BY THE COUNTY AND IS BETTER SUITED FOR RESILIENCY, USAGE RATHER THAN HIGH INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION CONSISTS OF A WATER FILLED MARSH AND WETLANDS WITH A LARGE SCREEN AND MATURE MANGROVES.

ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE WILL REQUIRE MASSIVE INFILL, WITH DESTRUCTION OF THE WETLANDS AND THE MANGROVES SCREEN, WITH RESULTING ELIMINATION OF THE NATURAL MITIGATION AGAINST FLOODING.

PRE-PANDEMIC, THERE WAS A CONFERENCE HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE ABOUT RISING FLOOD WATERS.

SEVERAL OF US HERE TODAY WERE AT THAT CONFERENCE.

AND AT THAT CONFERENCE, A YOUNG LIEUTENANT COMMANDER CAME DOWN FROM THE US NAVAL ACADEMY IN ANNAPOLIS, AND SHE SHOWED US HOW SHE HAD DESIGNED AND ONE OF THEIR WAVE TANKS, A SCREEN OF MANGROVE, TRUNKS, WHICH, EFFICIENTLY BUFFERED TIDAL SURGE.

100 YEARS AGO, DP DAVIS INITIATED THE WORLD'S LARGEST AT THE TIME DREDGING AND FILLING OPERATION, WITH ACCOMPANYING REMOVAL OF THE SURROUNDING WETLANDS

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THIS AREA IS NOW KNOWN AS DAVIS SHORES.

WE ARE ALL AWARE OF THE SEVERE FLOODING, SUFFERED BY DAVIS SHORES FROM PASSING PASSING HURRICANES IN RECENT YEARS AT A HUGE ECONOMIC COST TO BOTH THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS.

YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS IN JUST A MOMENT.

THIS FLOODING WAS LIKELY DUE IN PART TO BOTH THE PREVIOUS ERADICATION OF THE WETLANDS BY MASSIVE INFILLING AND THE REMOVAL OF THE ORIGINAL MANGROVE BUFFER 100 YEARS AGO, HIGH INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE THREE LAND PARCELS IN THE CURRENT ANNEXATION PROPOSAL MAY SUFFER A SIMILAR DEVASTATING FLOODING DURING FUTURE STORM SURGE EVENTS DUE TO THE REMOVAL OF THESE NATURAL MITIGATING FEATURES.

SO I'M ASKING THE CITY TO DENY THIS ANNEXATION REQUEST AND TO LEAVE THIS PROPERTY UNDER CONTROL OF THE COUNTY WHICH ALREADY HAS IT UNDER CONSERVATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUSAN HILL, FOLLOWED BY MARSHA DANIELS.

SUSAN HILL, 12 FLAMINGO DRIVE.

IN THE 1970S, FISH ISLAND WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, WITH ZONING CHANGES THAT PERMITTED DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND SEA LEVEL RISE ON OUR WEATHER AND OUR STORM EVENTS WERE NOT ON OUR RADAR THEN, AND THE LURE OF INCREASED CITY TAX REVENUE PROBABLY SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA THEN.

DEVELOPING OUR NATURAL COASTAL BUFFERS AND LOW LYING VULNERABLE AREAS, FILLING MARINE WETLANDS AND ESTUARINE MARSHLANDS NOW COMES AT A VERY HIGH COST THAT FAR EXCEEDS ANY REVENUE FROM PROPERTY TAXES GAINED THROUGH ANNEXATION OF THESE PROPERTIES.

FROM 1980 TO 2022, NOAA AND THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION TRACKED US WEATHER AND CLIMATE DISASTERS THAT EACH EXCEEDED $1 BILLION IN DAMAGES.

TOTAL COST OF 341 EVENTS EXCEEDED $2.475 TRILLION.

LOSSES FROM CYCLONES LED IN DAMAGE COSTS AT $1,333 BILLION AND HAD THE HIGHEST AVERAGE PER EVENT COST AT $22.2 MILLION, FOLLOWED BY SEVERE STORM EVENTS, $383.7 BILLION AND INLAND FLOODING $177.9 BILLION.

FLORIDA FOLLOWS TEXAS AS SECOND, LEADING IN TOTAL COSTS SINCE 1980 $370 BILLION, LARGELY FROM HURRICANE AND STORM IMPACTS. IN 2018 ALONE, SIX HURRICANES WHOSE DAMAGE COSTS WERE AT LEAST 1 BILLION STRUCK FLORIDA MATTHEW HARVEY, IRMA, MARIA, FLORENCE AND MICHAEL CYCLONES ACCOUNTS FOR ONLY 16.5% OF TOTAL US CLIMATE EVENTS, YET ACCOUNT FOR 51.8% OF TOTAL DAMAGE COSTS ATTRIBUTED TO WEATHER AND CLIMATE DISASTERS SINCE 1980.

CONTRIBUTING FACTORS IN THE TREND OF INCREASING COSTS ARE EXPOSURE BUILDING IN UNSUITABLE AREAS.

PUTTING HIGH END ASSETS AT RISK TWO VULNERABILITY HOW MUCH DAMAGE HAZARDS SUCH AS FLOODING AND WIND CAUSE AT A LOCATION THREE CLIMATE CHANGE INTENSITY OF STORMS. INCREASED FREQUENCY OF EXTREME WEATHER, SEA LEVEL RISE AND LOW LYING AREAS.

SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ESTIMATED 60 MILLION DAMAGE COSTS FROM THE GLANCING BLOW OF HURRICANE IAN, WHOSE CLOSEST POINT WAS 83 MILES OFF THE EAST COAST AS A CAT ONE WITH ONLY 75 MILE PER HOUR WINDS.

3 TO 5 FOOT STORM SURGE AND 10 TO 20IN OF WATER FELL IN OUR COMMUNITY.

38.7 MILLION IN HOMES DAMAGED, $18 MILLION IN ROAD REPAIRS, 4,000,000 IN 11 DAMAGED TO 20.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE DENY THE APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION.

MARCIA DANIELS FOLLOWED BY BJ KALAIDI.

I, DEAR MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSIONERS.

I'M ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE DENY THE ACQUISITION OF THE THREE PARCELS AROUND FISH ISLAND MARINA FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPMENT OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY.

FOR THIS REASON IS DIRECTLY OPPOSED TO THE CITY'S PLAN FOR RESILIENCE AND CONSERVATION.

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THE SOILS FOUND IN SALT MARSHES AND TIDAL FLATS ARE ALSO VAST CARBON STORES.

THEY ARE SOME OF THE BEST PLANETARY CARBON SCRUBBERS WE KNOW OF.

THE LANDS ARE NATURAL FISH, SHELLFISH AND CRAB FACTORIES.

THEY ARE ESSENTIAL RESTING AND FEEDING AREAS FOR MIGRATORY SHOREBIRDS WHOSE NUMBERS ARE IN TROUBLING DECLINE.

THESE LANDS FILTER AND CLEAN THE WATER.

THEY ARE A NATURAL DEFENSE AGAINST STORM SURGES AND EXTREME HIGH TIDES, ABSORBING EXCESS WATERS LIKE A SPONGE.

ALL OF THESE ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND MORE THEY PROVIDE FOR FREE BY THEIR EXISTENCE.

LET US.

THE NATIONAL FISH AND WILDLIFE FOUNDATION AND NOAA ANNOUNCED NOVEMBER 29TH, 2023, 144 MILLION IN NEW GRANTS TO ENHANCE THE RESILIENCE OF COASTAL COMMUNITIES AND IMPROVE THE HABITAT FOR FISH AND WILDLIFE ACROSS THE US.

LET US ALSO VALUE THESE LANDS AND THE QUIET, VITAL WAY THEY SUSTAIN OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY FOR FOOD, CLEAN WATER, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL-BEING.

LET US WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT THESE PRECIOUS LANDS WHICH PROTECT AND PROVIDE FOR US ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER IS LISA MCGLYNN.

FOLLOWED BY BJ KALAIDI.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LISA MCGLYNN.

MY HUSBAND AND I RESIDE AT 703 PINEHURST PLACE, WHICH IS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, NOT IN THE CITY.

I WANTED TO COME TODAY TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE DENY THE REQUEST TO MOVE THE FISH ISLAND MARINA INTO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AT THIS TIME, MANY IN THIS ROOM, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, WERE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY IN HELPING TO SAVE FISH ISLAND.

THAT WAS A HUGELY SUCCESSFUL EVENT AND SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY PROUD OF.

IT IS MY HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AGAIN, THIS TIME TO SAVE FISH ISLAND MARINA FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD MAKE A LOVELY PARK, AS WELL AS A PLACE TO ALLOW ACCESS TO OUR BELOVED RIVER.

THE GOALS THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO ADOPT IN THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM ARE TO ACQUIRE, IMPROVE AND MANAGE LANDS THAT PROTECT THE CITY'S NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES AND IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY'S HEALTH AND RESILIENCY.

IT WOULD BE IRONIC IF YOU APPROVE THIS REQUEST IN LIGHT OF YOUR ADOPTION OF THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM.

FURTHER, I BELIEVE THIS PARCEL OF LAND MAY BE A VERY GOOD FIT FOR THE COUNTY'S LAMP PROGRAM BECAUSE IT CLEARLY MEETS LAMP'S MISSION OF ACQUIRING LAND FOR CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT AND PASSIVE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

IF YOU DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE ANNEXATION, THEN THE CITY MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS LAND CONSERVED FOR THE GREATER PUBLIC USE AND ENJOYMENT AND NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT WITH CITY DOLLARS.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY POINTS.

THANK YOU, BJ KALAIDI.

MISS DUNN. NEVER MIND.

YOU GOT IT. BJ KALAIDI, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE RESOLUTION 2020 4-039 B1.

THIS CHANGE, INSTEAD OF PRAYER, ALSO KNOWN AS INVOCATION, IS NOT GOOD GOVERNANCE.

THE FACT IS, THIS RESOLUTION IS THE RESULT OF A DECEMBER 27TH, 2023 EMAIL FROM AN ATHEIST WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, ASKING YOU TO GIVE AN INVOCATION.

IN 2014, THE SUPREME COURT SAID AN INVOCATION HAD TO BE OPEN TO EVERYONE.

AS STATED AT THE COUNTY'S MEETING.

JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.

IT'S EACH PERSON'S CHOICE TO BELIEVE.

LISTEN TO FM 90.5 AND ONE'S HOPELESS LIFE CAN CHANGE.

TINY FISH ISLAND MARINA INCORPORATED.

THE ADDRESS ON THE QUITCLAIM DEED DATED AUGUST 8TH, 1977 IS 39 MAGNOLIA AVENUE.

THE HENDRY'S AND PAUL THOMPSON SHOULD FOLLOW THE COUNTY GUIDELINES AND NOT MANIPULATE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE STAFF TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY.

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COMPARING SAINT JOHNS COUNTY WATERFRONT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO JUSTIFY THIS ANNEXATION SHOWS HOW DEVELOPERS IN THE COUNTY WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP WITHOUT ANNEXATION.

TABLE THREE INFORMATION IS NOT COMPLETE AND DOES NOT JUSTIFY ANNEXATION.

TAKES TAXES GENERATED WHILE DESTROYING THE ENVIRONMENT.

SINCE THESE DEVELOPERS CAN MAKE MONEY DEVELOPING UNDER SAINT JOHNS COUNTY REQUIREMENTS DOES NOT JUSTIFY ANNEXATION.

AND JUST AS A SIDE, WHEN YOU TALK TO THE STAFF THAT WORKS IN THE CITY, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THE COMMISSIONERS AND MAYBE MR. BERTRAM AND ANYBODY ELSE WOULD RIDE ALONG WITH A SOLID WASTE TRUCK AND SEE THE LITTER AND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS CITY. IT'S OKAY TO DRIVE ALONG WITH THE POLICE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I THINK, WE ALL NEED TO OPEN OUR EYES ABOUT, HOW THIS CITY IS BECOMING TRASH.

BILL, WE DON'T WANT THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS EVENING'S CONSENT AGENDA INCLUDES A REMINDER OF UPCOMING MEETINGS FOR FEBRUARY 12TH AT 430.

A PRESENTATION OF THE DE AVILES AWARD ON FEBRUARY FEBRUARY 12TH AT 5 P.M..

THERE'S A REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

ON FEBRUARY 26TH AT 5 P.M.

REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING, AND ON MARCH 11TH AT 5 P.M., A REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

PROPOSED PROCLAMATIONS AND CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION AND RECOGNITION INCLUDE.

PROCLAMATION 2020 4-03, PROCLAIMING FEBRUARY 16TH THROUGH 19TH OF 2024 AS GREAT BACKYARD BIRD COUNT WEEK. AND A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION RECOGNITION TO JAMES HILL FOR HELPING TO SECURE THE ROBERT B HAYLING FREEDOM PARK AS A SITE ON THE GREAT FLORIDA BIRDING AND WILDLIFE TRAIL.

UNDER NOTIFICATION OF PROCLAMATIONS AND CERTIFICATES OF RECOGNITION THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

PROCLAMATION 2020 4-02 PROCLAIMING JANUARY 19TH, 2024 AS ARBOR DAY IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND ALSO A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION TO MISS GINA BURRELL FOR OVER 19 YEARS OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE TO THE CITY'S STREET TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

FURTHER ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE'S POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DONATE EIGHT BALLISTIC HELMETS, FIVE COMMUNICATION HEADSETS AND TWO BLESSED BALLISTIC SHIELDS TO THE WELAKA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THERE IS A FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT APPROVAL FOR PHASE TWO A OF UNIT TWO OF THE MADEIRA AT CITY AT SAINT AUGUSTINE SUBDIVISION.

AND FINALLY YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S QUARTERLY REPORT.

AND THAT COMPLETES THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO APPEALS TONIGHT.

WE HAVE NO GENERAL PUBLIC.

OH, WE DO HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC PRESENTATION.

[7.A.1. Presentation by J. W. Brinkley requesting approval of his offer to purchase, construct and operate a carousel at Davenport Park. (C. Sakryd, Director General Services)]

THIS IS, PRESENTATION BY J.W.

BRINKLEY REQUESTING APPROVAL OF HIS OFFER TO PURCHASE, CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A CAROUSEL AT DAVID DAVENPORT PARK.

MR. SACRED IS OUR STAFF PRESENTER.

WILL YOU BE DOING THE PRESENTATION, OR, MR. BRINKLEY, WELCOME.

HI. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD TO BE HERE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

AND I LIVE AT 9283 SALTWATER WAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

AND I'M HERE WITH MY GRANDSON AND MY SON AARON, THIS IS CHRIS.

AND CHRIS WILL BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE CAROUSEL.

AND WE'RE EXCITED THAT, EVERYTHING IS PROGRESSED AS WE HAD PLANNED.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS CHRIS REINHEIMER.

WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST THE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF THE OLD TOWN MERRY GO ROUND AT DAVENPORT PARK.

WE DO HAVE A LITTLE LIVE SHOW.

DID THEY BRING THAT UP? OR. WE DO.

WE DID HAVE OUR FINAL, RENDITIONS FOR THE TICKET BOOTH, CAROUSEL AND FENCING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE LAST MEETING.

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AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A SMOOTH TRANSITION BETWEEN THE PLAYGROUND AND CAROUSEL AREA.

AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME.

PHOTOS OF KIND OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

YEAH. SO THIS IS ONE.

THIS IS OUR LOGO. IT'S GOING TO BE AT DAVENPORT PARK.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT OUR TICKET BOOTH WILL LOOK LIKE.

IT HAS OUR CAROUSEL RULES, OUR LOGO.

AND, THAT'LL BE SET UP RIGHT NEXT TO THE CAROUSEL.

AND THEN THIS THIRD PHOTO IS A PICTURE OF WHAT THE CAROUSEL WILL LOOK LIKE IN PLACE.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT.

VERY MUCH VERY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IS THAT THE EXACT CAROUSEL YOU'RE PURCHASING TO PUT AT THIS LOCATION? SO THAT IS THAT IS THE SIZE OF IT.

THE COLOR IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT CHANGED.

IT'S GOING TO, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S THE SIZE OF THE CAROUSEL.

THE COLORING OF IT IS GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, TO MATCH, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BETTER.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME THERE'S SOME PICTURES AROUND THE INNER CIRCLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO, USE SOME PHOTOS OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AS A BACKDROP TO IT. I FEEL THAT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THE CAROUSEL ITSELF.

I MEAN, YOU'VE YOU'VE SPELLED OUT YOUR TICKET BOOTH PRETTY WELL, BUT I'M NOT INCLINED TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THERE, YOU KNOW? OKAY.

OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

YEAH. I, I AGREE, AND ALSO, WE JUST PLANTED A TREE IN THAT LITTLE CIRCLE IN THAT SPOT RIGHT THERE.

SO THIS IS A IT'S A RENDITION.

I AS IS THE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE MOVED AROUND, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND, I THINK, THOUGH, IT PROBABLY MAKE US FEEL A LOT BETTER IF WE HAD AN ACTUAL SITE PLAN WITH MEASUREMENTS SO WE COULD SEE EXACTLY.

AND WE COULD WALK OUT THERE.

I DID WALK AROUND THE PARK THE OTHER DAY AND IT SEEMS AWFUL SMALL, SO I'D LIKE.

I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SITE PLAN SO I CAN SEE WHERE IT FITS AGAINST THE WALL ON THE STREET AND AND THAT.

AND SPEAKING WITH COREY AND THE CITY MANAGER AND JOHN REGAN WHEN HE WAS HERE.

WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS.

CORRECT. AND IT'S THE EXACT SPOT THE OLD ONE WAS IN.

I ORDERED A 24 HORSE JUST FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON.

THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE INSTEAD OF THOSE TWO UGLY TELEPHONE POLES THAT ARE IN THE CORNER, WE'RE RUNNING EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND.

ALSO, THE TICKET BOOTH APPEARS LARGER THAN IT IS, BUT WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE NOT TAKING OVER ONE EXTRA SQUARE FOOT THAT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE.

AND THE FENCE WILL BE FOR OBVIOUSLY, LIABILITY REASON.

AND THERE WAS ONE AT ONE TIME, A LONG TIME AGO.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME, AREA THAT THE FENCE WAS IN.

WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING ONE FOOT INTO THAT PARK TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE CHILDREN.

THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS PRETTY UGLY.

WE'RE GOING TO PULL ALL THAT CONCRETE OUT.

AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY AT OUR EXPENSE.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT PAVERS IN.

IT IS GOING TO LOOK 100% BETTER.

THE LIGHTS ON THE CAROUSEL CAN BE ANY COLOR WE WANT TO.

AND CHRISTINA STONE, THE CULTURAL DIRECTOR, IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MANAGE THIS FOR US.

HER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RUN THE CAROUSEL FOR US BECAUSE ONE OF HER QUESTIONS WAS, HOW DO WE CONTROL THE SOUND? AND WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE OLD CAROUSEL.

AND THIS ONE, WE CAN ADJUST THAT SOUND TO ANY LEVEL THE CITY WANTS.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST.

I'VE BEEN AT A NINE MONTHS AND I'VE ALREADY.

THE CAROUSEL SHOULD BE HERE IN ABOUT FOUR WEEKS.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR A CONTAINER OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS WHILE WE TRY TO.

AND, WHAT IS THE ENGINEERS THAT DREW THE DRAWING? THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS? JEREMY AND, JEREMY.

YEAH, YEAH, THEY WORK WITH THE CITY A LOT, AND WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL MEASUREMENT FROM THAT, AND WE MADE THAT IN THE FIRST PRESENTATION.

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BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT NITPICKY ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE USING THE EXACT SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WE'RE GOING TO ENHANCE IT AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOME PLANTS TO IT BASED ON APPROVAL, BUT WE WANT IT TO LOOK GOOD.

I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TO MAKE SOMETHING SHABBY.

AND THE SECOND PART OF THE THING IS, I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS CAROUSEL WILL NEVER LEAVE.

I'M GOING TO MAKE IT LEGALLY ARRANGED SO THAT MY KIDS CAN NEVER SELL IT OR OFFLOAD IT.

YOU KNOW? AND BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN, I MEAN, MY KIDS WERE DISAPPOINTED WHEN THE, THE THE ONE LEFT AT 78 YEARS OLD.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE ANOTHER 20 YEARS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE CITY FATHERS AND THE MAYOR APPROVED THIS, THAT YOU'RE GETTING A FIRST CLASS MERRY GO ROUND AND WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE, MAKE IT ENHANCE.

DAVENPORT, WE WANT TO DO IT.

IF I NEED TO SPEND SOME MONEY OUT IN THE PARK TO IMPROVE THINGS, WE WILL DO THAT ALSO, BECAUSE THIS IS A FAMILY COMMITMENT.

BOTH MY BOYS ARE HERE AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY A LOT YOUNGER THAN ME, SO THEY'LL BE.

WE ARE EVERYTHING Y'ALL WANT TO DO OVER THE YEARS, KEEPING IT UP AND EVERYTHING.

WE'LL PUT SOME MONEY IN ESCROW SO THAT NEVER A PROBLEM WITH MAINTENANCE, THAT KIND OF THING.

I WOULD LOVE TO TRUST YOU.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY DOES, BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED TO.

I THINK THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WE SAW FROM JEREMY, WE QUESTIONED SOME OF IT AND WE ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON IT WHEN WE HAD THE LAST MEETING.

SO I'M JUST A LITTLE CURIOUS TO ACTUALLY SEE IT.

AND I KNOW THAT MAY BE TIME CONSUMING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE THOSE PLANS.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY, HISTORIC.

AND WE DIDN'T BRING ANY DOWN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE ISSUE, SINCE IT'S IN THE EXACT SAME SITE, THE EXACT SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE.

AND IT'S A 24 HORSE CAROUSEL.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR MISTER, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

COMMISSIONER LAUNDER.

YEAH. I HAVE TWO THINGS, REALLY.

I WANT TO SORT OF REINFORCE WHAT COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD WAS SAYING.

I WANT THE CAROUSEL BACK.

OKAY. BUT I WHAT I'M SEEING IS CONCEPTUAL.

AND, IF IF YOU'RE HERE FOR MANY OF OUR MEETINGS ABOUT ANYTHING, WE ARE VERY DETAIL ORIENTED BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

SO I AM REQUESTING YOU FORMALLY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK THAT IS NOT JUST CONCEPTUAL.

YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT A SITE PLAN.

NO MORE OF THIS BECAUSE I'VE SPENT ABOUT $400.

WE'VE DONE THIS THREE DIFFERENT WAYS ALREADY.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANT A SITE PLAN THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC THAT SHOWS A PICTURE OF THE CAROUSEL.

LET ME FINISH. LET ME FINISH, SIR.

AND IT SHOWS THE A PICTURE OF THE CAROUSEL THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY PURCHASING, SO WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE THING IN CONTEXT.

AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS ACTUALLY MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, I THINK A PRETTY BROAD AND STRONG, INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE.

WHAT I AM, ACTUALLY, I HAVE THREE THINGS.

I'LL MAKE THIS ONE QUICK.

I'M. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF A SAFETY PLAN, LIKE, WHAT IS YOUR HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET PEOPLE ON AND OFF THE MERRY GO ROUND, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE DISABLED BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING ACCESS, WHICH I APPLAUD.

AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT OBSERVERS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN THE WAY OF THE OF THE OPERATION OF THE, OF THE CAROUSEL AS IT'S MOVING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY GETS HURT BECAUSE SO I WANT TO SEE A SAFETY PLAN.

WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? CERTAINLY. WE CAN ADD ANY PROVISIONS YOU FEEL ARE PRUDENT.

I ALSO, WHILE I HAVE THE MICROPHONE, WOULD WANT TO CAUTION THE, APPLICANT.

JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS IS PROBABLY UNDER THE ENTRY CORRIDOR FOR SAN MARCO.

SO I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO EXPEND A TON OF MONEY PREMATURELY, BUT THEY MAY WANT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE DESIGN FOR THE TICKET BOOTH AND THE FENCING AND SOME OF THE PLANTINGS TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CROSS PURPOSES WITH OUR ENTRY CORRIDOR RULES.

I THINK THAT SO THAT SAFETY PLAN, SITE PLAN.

AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF ANY AGREEMENT WITH THE, WITH CHRISTINA STONE PARISH AND HER GROUP.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE DETAILS OF THAT AGREEMENT ARE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THOSE ARE MY OKAY.

THOSE ARE MY MY POINTS THAT I WANTED TO ADD IN.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S, A GOOD LIST.

THANK YOU. TO START WITH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

ONE IS, I KNOW I HAD TALKED TO CHRISTINA MYSELF AND SHE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE MERRY GO ROUND AS FAR AS HOW IT WAS GOING TO AFFECT WHAT SHE'S DOING OVER THERE AT THE WATERWORKS BUILDING.

SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, TO ACTUALLY HEAR HER SAY THAT HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THE MERRY GO ROUND AND NOT JUST TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT.

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ALSO, HAVING WORKED IN FACILITIES WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BACK WHEN I WAS ON CITY STAFF THAT IF A MERRY GO ROUND CAME THERE IN THAT LOCATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, LIKE A RESTROOM, A SMALL LITTLE RESTROOM BUILT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA SIMILAR TO LIGHTHOUSE PARK.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CHILDREN HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM? I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO RACE THEM OVER ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, ACROSS THAT ROAD TO GET TO DUNKIN DONUTS OR RACE THEM INTO THE LIBRARY.

SO SIMILAR TO LIGHTHOUSE PARK, THEY HAVE A LITTLE OUTDOOR RESTROOM THAT CAN BE SECURED.

SO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN THERE FOR FOR 25 YEARS, THEY'VE USED THE LIBRARY BECAUSE WE MIRROR THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION. SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME HOURS, AND THERE'S NO TRAFFIC FOR THEM TO GO OVER TO THE LIBRARY.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT OPEN IN THE EVENINGS.

YEAH, BUT THE LIBRARY.

I THINK WE CLOSE AT SIX.

OKAY. THE MERRY GO ROUND WAS 10 TO 6.

THE UNDERSTANDING WAS FOR EIGHT HOURS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. THE PREVIOUS TAKES CARE OF THAT.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT, I THINK THE PLAN LOOKS GOOD.

THE. THIS LITTLE INFORMATION BOOTH SEEMS HUGE, THOUGH.

I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER.

IT LOOKS AS BIG AS THE MERRY GO ROUND, BUT, IT'S HARD TO SAY FROM JUST YOUR PICTURES IF IT'S ACTUALLY THAT BIG OR NOT.

IT'S HARD TO GET THAT SCALE AND STILL SHOW DETAILS OF WHAT THE THE BOOTH IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THE OTHER BOOTH WAS SMALL.

I REMEMBER BECAUSE I WENT THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.

THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE TALKING WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE.

IF WE CAN'T, THE OTHER POOR GUY DIDN'T HAVE ANY AIR CONDITIONING AT ALL.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE A COMFORT LEVEL FOR WHOEVER IS WORKING THERE EIGHT HOURS A DAY WITH AN AIR CONDITIONER, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS AND ALL THAT STUFF, JUST LIKE, SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY ATTENDING THIS.

YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO RELY ON CHRISTINA'S STAFF.

THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A PERSON.

NO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH HER STATING THE EXACT HOURS, BECAUSE DAVE EVERTON WITH THE TROLLEY COMPANY, HE WAS MY OTHER CHOICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF PART TIME PEOPLE.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE A INDIVIDUAL AND BROWN IS HANDLING THE INSURANCE.

WE CARRY $1 MILLION POLICY OKAY.

NAMING THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE OKAY.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST GET APPROVAL THAT.

YEAH, I CAN BRING THAT BACK.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT ONCE, BUT I CAN BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN AT IT ABOUT NINE, 8 OR 9 MONTHS NOW.

YEAH. I'M READY. I'M READY TO, GET APPROVAL.

AND IT'LL BE HERE IN FOUR WEEKS AND START CONSTRUCTION.

ALL RIGHT. ONE.

THANK YOU. ONE CLARIFICATION.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY BE SURE AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS.

SO WE WOULD STILL BE ON TARGET.

AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ALL THE STUFF IN ORDER THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WE GOT FOR THINGS TO COME UP WITH.

OKAY. OKAY. JUST ONE CLARIFICATION.

THE CONTRACT SAYS TEN TILL 8 P.M..

WELL, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD A DISCUSSION THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT AT NIGHT.

CORRECT? THEY WANTED TO END IT EARLY AND THEN THEY WANTED IT TO BE OFF ON, I BELIEVE, TUESDAY.

WE'D ONLY OPERATE SIX DAYS A WEEK INSTEAD OF SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO EVENTS THAT CAN BE HELD THERE, YOU KNOW, WEDDINGS AND STUFF LIKE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. I JUST THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED IN, IN THE CONTRACT IF IT'S GOING TO BE 6:00 AND NOT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

SO OKAY, SO WE HAVE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WE HAVE ONE MORE FROM COMMISSIONER BLONDER.

YEAH. THIS IS ONE ITEM THAT WAS FURTHER DOWN IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT.

I AND UNDER INSPECTION AND REPAIRS ITEM 11 I'D LIKE TO ADD IN A CERTIFIED ANNUAL SAFETY INSPECTION THAT'S ACTUALLY PAID FOR BY YOU ALL.

OKAY. BY A COMPANY CONTRACTOR, SOMETHING THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE, AND I THINK WE'LL WANT TO HAVE REASSURANCE FROM MR. SAXON ON THAT, THESE DESIGNS MEET THE CORRIDOR GUIDELINES, SOME ASSURANCE FROM STAFF THAT THESE MEET THE CORRIDOR GUIDELINES.

SOME REVIEW HAS BEEN HAS OCCURRED, THAT WE WANT A SAFETY PLAN.

WE NEED A SITE PLAN TO SCALE THAT WOULD, SHOW US WHERE THINGS ARE LOCATED.

WE WOULD WANT AN AN AN IMAGE OF THE EXACT PRODUCT OF THE EXACT CAROUSEL, A PHOTOGRAPH.

I'M SURE IF YOU HAVE IT BEING SHIPPED, WE LIKELY JUST DO A PHOTOGRAPH.

WE CAN. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT THIS ISN'T ENOUGH FOR US.

YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE DIMENSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE THAT SHOULD SHOW UP ON THE SITE PLAN.

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DOES THAT SOUND LIKE WE GOT EVERYTHING THERE? SO. OKAY. PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR FROM YOU SOON.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE ALL RIGHT, FOR YOUR TIME.

ALL RIGHT. TAKE CARE.

ALL RIGHT THEN.

GOOD JOB.

LET'S SEE. NEXT ITEM IS ADAM 8C1 JULIE COURTNEY.

[8.C.1. Resolution 2024-02: Review of the recommendation by the Historic Architectural Review Board and Resolution granting an ad valorem tax exemption for a historic property located at 30 Sanford Street. (J. Courtney, Historic Preservation Officer)]

WELCOME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU RESOLUTION 2020 4-02 AND THE ASSOCIATED HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION COVENANT FOR AN AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION AT 30 SANFORD STREET.

THE REHABILITATION WAS COMPLETED IN 2023 ON THE FRAME VERNACULAR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1880, RELOCATED TO ITS CURRENT SITE BETWEEN 1910 AND 1917, AND IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE LINCOLNVILLE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AN APPLICATION FOR FULL DEMOLITION WAS HEARD BY THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AT THE JULY 2022 MEETING, AND CONTINUED BEFORE IT WAS LATER WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT OWNER.

AFTER THE ENCOURAGEMENT BY THE HARP TO CONSIDER THE AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM FOR THIS HISTORIC BUILDING.

SUBSEQUENTLY, THE HARP REVIEWED AND REVIEWED THE PROPOSED WORK WITH PARTS ONE AND TWO AND THE COMPLETED WORK UNDER PART THREE LAST MONTH IN DECEMBER, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE TAX EXEMPTION BE GRANTED, THE HARP NOTED THIS IS A WIN FOR EVERYONE, AS THE HISTORIC BUILDING WAS SAVED FROM THE DEMOLITION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, AND FOUND THAT THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR REHABILITATION MET THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.

THE DOCUMENTATION IN YOUR PACKETS PROVIDES THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED IN BOTH ON BOTH THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, A COST BREAKDOWN FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AND BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOGRAPHS.

LINKS WERE ALSO PROVIDED TO THE STAFF REPORTS, AND A FULL SET OF APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE HARP.

THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. SHANKAR SHAVER OF THE SANFORD CEDAR LLC, IS HERE AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS RESOLUTION.

ALL RIGHT.

WONDERFUL. JUST.

DOES HE WISH TO SPEAK TO US? I THINK HE'S HERE JUST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORT.

I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO HARB FOR, CONVINCING YOU THAT OF THE THE BENEFIT OF THE TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE SO AND THAT YOUR THE VALUE OF YOUR BUILDING, YOUR HISTORIC BUILDING.

SO AND JULIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TOO.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING TO SEE THESE COME THROUGH LIKE THIS.

WITH THAT SAID, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? IS THIS AN EXEMPTION OF ALL SALES TAX FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, OR IS IT JUST A THE INCREASE.

IT'S THE INCREASE TO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY TAX.

SO THERE'S THE CITY PROPERTY TAX.

AND HE WILL BE GOING TO THE COUNTY IN MARCH FOR THE COUNTY SIDE OF THINGS.

YEAH. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO EXEMPT HIM OF ALL THE TAXES.

THE TAXES WILL STAY THE SAME.

AND IT'S NOT WORDED THAT WAY ANYWHERE IN THE IN THE RESOLUTION.

IT JUST SAYS TAX EXEMPTION.

SO OUR ORDINANCE HAS IT CLEARLY STATED AND IT'S TIED TO THAT.

IT'S IT FREEZES THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AT THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION LEVEL AND ABATES THE INCREASED ASSESSMENT AFTER THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE FOR TEN YEARS.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES.

YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE PUBLIC, THAT IT JUST DOESN'T READ THAT WAY WHEN YOU READ THE RESOLUTION, RIGHT NOW.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE THAT MAY BE MISLEADING.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

AND WE JUST WANT TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, SPEAK, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT, IF ANYONE WISHES TO.

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I DO NOT.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN.

YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO SPEAK, SIR, AS WELL AS ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S HERE.

OKAY. NO ONE WISHES TO SPEAK.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

WE ARE BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

ANY FINAL COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2020 402.

I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DEBATE. HEARING NONE.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

NANCY. SIKES-KLINE.

YES. ROXANNE HORVATH.

YES. CYNTHIA GARRIS.

YES. JIM. SPRINGFIELD.

YES. BARBARA BLONDER.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, THEN, MOVING ON TO RESOLUTIONS.

[9.B.1. Resolution 2024-03: Amends the Order of Business for City Commission meetings. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]

YES, MADAM. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS BEFORE YOU AS RESOLUTION 2020 4-03, IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION AT THE JANUARY 8TH, 2024 MEETING.

SUBSTANTIVELY, ALL IT CHANGES IS MODIFYING FROM AN INVOCATION TO A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY CLEAR IN OUR MIND WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS.

DO I HEAR A MOTION? MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 2024, DASH ZERO THREE.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL SECOND THAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ROXANNE HORVATH. YES.

NANCY. SIKES-KLINE.

YES. CYNTHIA. GARRIS.

NO. OKAY.

JIM SPRINGFIELD. YES.

BARBARA BLONDER. YES.

ALL RIGHT THEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

RESOLUTION 2020 4-04 MELISSA WISSEL.

[9.B.2. Resolution 2024-04: Modifies the policy for the presentation of certain awards by the City Commission. (M. Wissel, Director Communications)]

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS MELISSA WISSEL, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR.

AS YOU SAID, THIS IS STRICTLY TO MODIFY THE POLICY WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE RESOLUTION ON THE BOOKS THAT THE PRESENTATIONS FOR SPECIAL AWARDS.

ARE TO BE PRESENTED DURING A CITY COMMISSION MEETING, AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY THAT IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WE ARE PRESENTING AWARDS SUCH AS THE DE AVILES AWARD, THE ADELAIDE SANCHEZ AWARD, THE, LA FLORIDA THANK YOU, AND THE CITIZENSHIP AWARDS, THE EXCEPTION BEING THE CITIZENSHIP AWARDS.

BUT THOSE CEREMONIES ARE HAPPENING PRIOR TO A MEETING, BECAUSE THE HONOREES ARE INVITED TO INVITE PEOPLE TO COME TO THAT PRESENTATION.

AND THEY WERE TAKING UP A LOT OF COMMISSION MEETING TIME.

AND SO THIS JUST CLEANS UP THE LANGUAGE OF THE RESOLUTION SO THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING OUR OWN ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THOSE CITIZEN AWARDS.

DIAVOLI DE LA FLORIDA AND ADELAIDE SANCHEZ ALL RIGHT THEN.

THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CITIZENSHIP AWARDS BECAUSE THOSE ARE DONE DURING A REGULAR MEETING.

OKAY THEN.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS OF STAFF? DO I HEAR A MOTION? WELL, I DO HAVE A COMMENT AND IT'S NOT IN PART OF THE CHANGES, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS THE HISTORY BEHIND GIVING THE CITIZENSHIP AWARD TO ALL, ALL SCHOOLS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AND WHY NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE IN THE CITY AND EVEN DOING THE ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND HIGH SCHOOLS? THERE'S A GREAT CHARACTER COUNTS PROGRAM WHERE THEY ALREADY HONOR CITIZENSHIP.

SO THE SCHOOLS COULD BE VERY, EASILY ADAPTED TO HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE.

AND I THINK WE HAVE LIKE SIX SCHOOLS WHERE, WHERE THE CITY RESIDENTS ATTEND.

AND NOT THAT I WANT TO BUMP OUT MY OLD HIGH SCHOOL, BARTRAM TRAIL, WHERE I WAS THE PRINCIPAL.

BUT I JUST SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOLS, AND WE'RE ADDING HIGH SCHOOLS ALL THE TIME.

WE JUST HAD A PRESENTATION AT ROTARY TODAY FROM OUR SUPERINTENDENT ON HOW FAST WE'RE GROWING.

SO AS EYE OPENING, I AGREE THAT IT WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE CITY.

SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT WOULD BE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS IN THE CITY LIMITS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY HIGH SCHOOLS IN OUR CITY LIMITS.

WE HAVE OR. I'M SORRY.

FLORIDA SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND BLIND IS WE ALSO OUR STUDENTS DO ATTEND THOSE HIGH SCHOOLS, AND I DON'T THINK THEY ATTEND, PEDRO, BUT THEY ATTEND SALESIAN HIGH AND THEY

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WHICH IS NOT IN THE NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT OUR STUDENTS.

WELL, ARE YOU TALKING SO ZONES CORRECT.

SCHOOL ZONE, NOT CITY LIMITS.

CORRECT. SO.

HIS. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK WITH MR. BIRCHIM? I THINK IS WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY.

RIGHT. BUT I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE MR. BIRCHIM WANTED TO SPEAK FIRST.

ALL RIGHT. OR I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.

OKAY. CAN I SAY I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A CATHEDRAL.

PARISH SCHOOL SHOULD BE COMING INTO THE CITY LIMITS SHORTLY.

SO WE'LL HAVE. I MEAN, SORRY, SAINT JOE'S SHOULD BE COMING TO THIS INTO THE CITY LIMITS SHORTLY.

SO WE'LL HAVE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS, THE DEAF AND BLIND SCHOOL AND SAINT JOE'S.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO CAN WE ANSWER THE QUESTION? THEN WE'LL GO TO YOU BECAUSE WE'RE SO COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD'S QUESTION.

WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, MY SON WE LIVED IN, WE LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

BUT HE WENT TO NICE.

SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUIREMENT OF THE STUDENT BEING A RESIDENT OF THE CITY, I WILL SAY THAT'S GOING TO PUT A TREMENDOUS BURDEN ON THE SCHOOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDENT THAT THEY'RE NOMINATING IS A CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE RESIDENT, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

WE ASK THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATIONS TO, NOTE, TO NOMINATE THEIR STUDENT TO BE RECOGNIZED.

SO WE GET KIDS COMING DOWN FROM CREEKSIDE OR PONTE VEDRA OR BARTRAM.

SO THEY ARE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET TO BE.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE COMPLICATED.

MORE COMPLICATED TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON THE SCHOOLS OR EVEN ON US TO.

MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STUDENTS ARE CITY RESIDENTS.

SO, WE HAVE 11 AWARDS.

SO INTERNALLY, STAFF, WE'VE WE'VE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.

IN TERMS OF ARE YOU? WOULD YOU BE AWARDING $200 TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENT, OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A RECOGNITION JUST GIVING THEM A CERTIFICATE THAT THEY CAN STAND UP IN FRONT AT A COMMISSION MEETING, BUT IT COULD WARRANT FURTHER INVESTIGATING FOR SURE.

YEAH, I THINK IT'D BE EASY TO DO BY HAVING IT AS AS COMMISSIONER BLINDER SAID, THE ZONES THAT ARE ZONED FOR THOSE HIGH SCHOOLS NIECE IS NOT.

NONE OF OUR STUDENTS ARE ZONED FOR NIECE OR PART TERM CREEKSIDE OR TOCOI CREEK.

SO OR PEDRO.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY FOR THE SCHOOLS TO UNDERSTAND WHICH ONES.

AND THEY, THE RECIPIENT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT.

BUT THE SCHOOL WOULD HAVE BEEN WOULD RECEIVE STUDENTS THAT ARE ZONED FOR THAT SCHOOL.

JUST JUST AN IDEA. AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT A, YEAH, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE GOAL.

HOW TO GET THERE IS ANOTHER THING, COMMISSIONER.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CITIZENSHIP AWARD.

WHY CAN'T IT BE SOMEBODY THAT'S DOING SOMETHING FANTASTIC IN THE CITY LIMITS? FOR EXAMPLE? A PERSON THAT WORKS AT COUNCIL ON AGING, THAT HELPS WITH THE SENIORS THAT COME TO THEIR PROGRAMS, WHY IS IT WHY IS IT JUST GEARED TO STUDENTS? WELL, THAT'S THE PROGRAM.

IT'S OKAY.

WELL, I THINK THAT WAS THE SPIRIT IN WHICH IT WAS FIRST STARTED YEARS AGO WHEN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

WAS IT, IN THE COUNTY? I'M NOT 100% SURE WHEN THE CITIZENSHIP AWARDS BEGAN SPECIFICALLY.

SO AWARDS IT'S FOR STUDENTS, IT'S GEARED TOWARDS STUDENTS IS FOR THE STUDENTS AND THE STUDENT, THE SCHOOL.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROGRAM, BUT THE STUDENT, THE SCHOOLS SELECT THEIR OWN CANDIDATE AND SEND THEM RECOMMENDATIONS TO US, AND THEN WE RECEIVE THEM.

SO AND WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THE ENTIRE COUNTY, THAT I'M AWARE OF, WE HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION.

SO IS THAT DO YOU FIND THAT HELPFUL? ARE YOU SAYING YOU LIKE TO HAVE MORE AWARDS? THAT WOULD BECAUSE WE DO CERTIFICATES OF RECOGNITION FOR ADULTS THAT DO OUTSTANDING SERVICE THINGS.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE FREE. ANY ONE OF US IS FREE TO OFFER A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION AT ANY TIME.

THAT'S ALSO WHAT THE DIAVOLO'S AND THE LA FLORIDA AND THE ADELAIDE SANCHEZ ARE.

THOSE ARE KIND OF FOR.

YEAH, THOSE ARE FOR EXTRAORDINARY CONTRIBUTIONS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE ALSO DO THE CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, RIGHT, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND IF MAYBE IF, YOU KNOW, IF I MAY, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? YOU'VE YOU'VE RECEIVED OUR COMMENTS.

WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR YOUR, DEPARTMENT TO GO OVER THOSE COMMENTS AND COME BACK TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE STUDENT AWARDS? SO YOU WOULD LIKE US TO REVIEW AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION OR AN ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTION FOR THE CITIZENSHIP AWARD?

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YEAH, THAT'S A NICE TRADITION AND I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL RECOGNITION, BUT I THINK THAT THE COUNTY IS TOO BIG FOR US TO TAKE ON, PERSONALLY.

SO WE HAVE 11 NOW.

IT'S ALWAYS A VERY JOYOUS OCCASION FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S VERY POSITIVE TO HAVE THE PARENTS AND THE ROOMS, AND I LIKE THE VOLUME.

I LIKE THE NUMBER, I THINK I LIKE 11, I WELCOME 15, I'D WELCOME 20 PERSONALLY, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE.

THE MORE THE MERRIER.

BUT, I UNDERSTAND IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CHANGE THE POLICY, WOULD YOU BRING US BACK SOME IDEAS AND THOUGHTS? OUTSIDE OF, THIS RESOLUTION? YES. WE CAN, HEAR ABOUT THAT ANOTHER TIME.

AND PERHAPS YOU CAN WORK WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD AND MAYBE GET PICK HIS THOUGHTS.

CAN I ASK THIS QUESTION? MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

COULD WE ADDRESS THIS TO TAKE THIS, PUT THE CITIZENSHIP AWARD INTO ITS OWN RESOLUTION, OR CAN WE NOT DO THAT? SURE, SURE.

BECAUSE THIS THE CITIZENSHIP AWARDS ARE ALWAYS KIND OF THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONES.

MAYBE WE COULD CREATE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION AND JUST TAKE IT OUT ALTOGETHER.

OKAY. SURE. IF YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS ONE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT CONFORM TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON A NEW CONCEPT, THEN WE CREATE A NEW RESOLUTION JUST FOR THE KIDS.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT THEN.

GREAT. SO WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND.

FOR RESOLUTION 2020 4-04.

I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2020 404.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I GREAT RESOLUTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT.

ON TO ITEM TEN A STAFF REPORTS.

[10.A. Discussion regarding selecting, acquiring and managing properties in the Conservation Acquisition Program. (R. Franklin, Assistant City Manager)]

MR. FRANKLIN IS GOING TO BE HERE WITH ITEM TEN, A DISCUSSION REGARDING SELECTING, ACQUIRING AND MANAGING PROPERTIES IN THE CONSERVATION ACQUISITION PROGRAM.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

SEE. SO THIS EVENING, WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON OUR CONSERVATION PROGRAM.

AND SO THE INTENTION OF, THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE AND, GET FEEDBACK AND HOPEFULLY GET CLOSER TO, ADOPTING THE PROGRAM AND LAUNCHING IT.

LET'S SEE HERE.

OKAY. YOU SEE THE.

PRESENTATION. EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO FOR THIS PRESENTATION, WE'LL GO OVER THE PROPOSED MISSION STATEMENT AND GOALS, WHICH WE'VE REVISED BASED ON THE COMMISSION'S COMMENTS AT THE WORKSHOP.

AND THEN GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED SELECTION MATRIX, AND THEN NEXT STEPS.

AND I ALSO HAVE, MR. MILLER HERE FOR ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, THAT MAY COME UP.

THE PROPOSED MISSION STATEMENT.

WE HAVE CHANGED IT.

IT NOW READS TO ACQUIRE, IMPROVE AND MANAGE LANDS THAT PROTECT THE CITY'S NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES AND IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY'S HEALTH AND RESILIENCY.

SO WE SHORTENED IT A LITTLE BIT, AND WE ALSO ADDED CULTURAL RESOURCES TO THE MISSION STATEMENT.

OUR PROPOSED GOALS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TAXPAYERS AND TO TREAT PARTNERS, LANDOWNERS AND SELLERS WITH RESPECT, PROTECT AND PRESERVE THE CITY'S NATURAL RESOURCES, INCLUDING WATER QUALITY.

PRESERVE ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES, INCLUDING CULTURAL LANDSCAPES, BOLSTER RESILIENCY, AND REDUCE LOSSES AND IMPACTS FROM FLOODS BY BY PRESERVING FLOODPLAINS AND VULNERABLE AREAS.

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CONSERVE, MAINTAIN AND RESTORE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT TO FACILITATE ADAPTATION TO CLIMATE CHANGE, INCLUDING SEA LEVEL RISE.

TO PROMOTE PASSIVE RECREATION BY PROVIDING COMMUNITY BASED PARKS AND OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN SCENIC LANDSCAPES, AND TO ENCOURAGE A COMMUNITY LAND ETHIC.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID ADD HERE WAS THE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES.

WE BUMPED UP THE PRESERVE, ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES.

AND, AND, WE ALSO TOOK OUT, SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL LANDS.

AND JUST REPLACE THEM MORE WITH NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.

I'M HAPPY TO GET ANY FEEDBACK ON THE MISSION STATEMENT OR PROPOSED GOALS, OR I CAN GO RIGHT INTO THE, MATRIX.

SO QUESTION ON THE LAST ONE TO ENCOURAGE.

AND FIRST OF ALL, LET ME FIRST OF ALL, LET ME THANK YOU FOR ADDING IN PRESERVE ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES, INCLUDING CULTURAL LANDSCAPES.

THAT'S PERFECT. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LAST ONE TO ENCOURAGE A COMMUNITY LAND ETHIC.

ARE THERE IS THIS A IS THERE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO THIS THAT THAT ATTACHES ITS ATTACHES TO? YEAH, IN MY MIND, THAT'S THE, BEING GOOD STEWARDS AND THAT'S THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT OF WHY THESE LANDS ARE IMPORTANT.

AND GETTING OUR COMMUNITY MORE INVESTED IN, IN, CONSERVATION AND PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT.

COULD I. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALSO THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. AND SO THAT'S MAYBE.

BUT I MEAN, I AGREE WITH IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A IT.

DOESN'T EXPLAIN MUCH.

WELL, THESE ARE HERE FOR YOU TO.

IF IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING OR WANT US TO READ, WE CAN STRIKE IT.

WE CAN MAKE IT MORE CONCISE.

IT'S REALLY FOR YOUR FEEDBACK, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I LIKE TO ENCOURAGE A COMMUNITY LAND ETHIC AND, AND GOOD STEWARDSHIP, ETCETERA, ETCETERA.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT, THAT WOULD BE BETTER.

OKAY. FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A BIG POINT.

IT'S NOT CRUCIAL.

IT'S JUST THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO FOSTER THE FUTURE.

CORRECT? RIGHT. AND THIS IS VERY, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HERE IS SET IN STONE.

IF, YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW, IF YOU THE COMMISSION REVISITS THIS, WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THE TINKER WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IF YOU WANT.

SAME THING WITH THE MATRIX.

YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT GET, YOU MAY APPROVE THIS ONE.

AND THROUGH THE APPLICATION AND REVIEW PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES IN THE FUTURE AS WE LEARN MORE.

YOU KNOW, THE LONGER THE PROGRAM'S IN EXISTENCE, I IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR.

MADAM MAYOR, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT WE'RE I DON'T SEE STEWARDSHIP IN HERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE.

SO. BUT I LIKE THAT.

SO COULD WE SO COULD WE LEAVE IT AT WOULD TO ENCOURAGE A COMMUNITY LAND ETHIC AND PROMOTE GOOD STEWARDSHIP? I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO GO ON AND ON BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY STATED AT THE TOP.

THAT WOULD BE MY THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CHANGE.

BUT OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S A GREAT, GREAT JOB.

VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO, THE SELECTION MATRIX.

SO WE DID, PROVIDE EXAMPLES FROM SAINT JOHNS COUNTY'S PROGRAM AND CLAY COUNTY.

WE ALSO, WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE OURS A LITTLE MORE SIMPLIFIED AND HIGHER LEVEL.

BUT OF COURSE, THAT'S FOR YOUR, FEEDBACK AS WELL OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, THIS IS HOW OUR STAFF COMMITTEE WOULD RANK THESE, RANK THE PROPERTY BASED ON THESE CATEGORIES, AND THEN A SCORE OF 0 TO 5 ZERO BEING, THE WORST FIVE BEING, YOU KNOW, EXCELLENT.

AND SO WE WOULD RANK THEM, COMPILE THEM INTO A LIST, AND THEN THAT LIST WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO DETERMINE WHAT PROPERTIES WE'D LIKE TO ACQUIRE.

SO THE FIRST CATEGORY IS RESILIENCY.

PROVIDES FLOOD PROTECTION AND OR FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT BENEFITS.

THE NEXT CATEGORY IS ECOSYSTEM SERVICES, PROVIDES ECOSYSTEM SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

NATURAL RESOURCES, PRESERVES, PROTECTS ECOLOGICAL DIVERSITY AND HABITAT.

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EXCUSE ME. WHAT IS MEANT BY HYDROLOGICAL RESOURCES.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ESTUARINE OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GROUNDWATER OR.

ALL OF THE ABOVE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO THE JBS ANSWER WAS ALL OF THE ABOVE.

CULTURAL RESOURCES PRESERVES AND PROTECTS CULTURAL RESOURCES.

OPEN SPACE RECREATION PROVIDES PASSIVE RESOURCE BASED RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES.

ALSO IN THIS CRITERIA PROVIDES WATER ACCESS.

SO IF THERE WAS A PROPERTY THAT HAD ACCESS TO THE WATER, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE RANKED HIGHER.

ACQUISITION LISTED ON OTHER ACQUISITION PRIORITY LISTS.

THERE FOR BEING THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL COST SHARES AND LIKELIHOOD FOR GRANT FUNDING.

MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE.

LEVEL OF NON-NATIVE INVASIVE PLANT SPECIES INFESTATION.

OPERATIONAL COSTS.

AND THEN THERE'S A SPECIAL VALUE CATEGORY, WHICH IS IF THERE'S AN EXCEPTIONAL UNIQUENESS OR QUALITY, THAT CATEGORY GIVES A CHANCE TO TO KIND OF CAPTURE, THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LEFT OFF.

SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO, GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS.

DIRECTION. I THINK IT'S REALLY WELL CONCEIVED.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING TO ADD TO IT.

ALL. MY QUESTION IS I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO.

MY QUESTION IS. SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S 12 DIFFERENT RANKINGS ONE UNDER RESILIENCY, ONE UNDER ECOSYSTEM SERVICES, TWO UNDER NATURAL RESOURCES, ONE UNDER CULTURAL RESOURCES, TWO UNDER OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION, TWO UNDER ACQUISITION. TWO UNDER MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE AND ONE UNDER SPECIAL VALUE.

SO DO EACH.

MY QUESTION IS, DO EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IN THOSE CUTS? YOU'VE GOT SEVEN CATEGORIES AND 1212 ITEMS YOU RANK ON.

EACH ONE OF THOSE IS VALUED AT FIVE POINTS, UP TO FIVE POINTS BETWEEN 0 AND 5 BETWEEN 0 AND 5.

I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS THAT SPECIAL VALUE IS GOING TO GET A FREE FIVE ON EVERY SINGLE RANKING.

JUST BECAUSE IT'S OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE THAT WHATEVER'S BEING NOMINATED.

BUT OKAY, SO IN THAT CASE, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CULTURE RESOURCES.

FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY TOO BROAD.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, CULTURAL RESOURCES CATEGORY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ITEM FIVE.

I'M CALLING IT ITEM FIVE.

ARCHEOLOGICAL PROTECTS ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES.

AND THEN ANOTHER ITEM UNDER IT PROTECTS OUR ARCHEOLOGICAL, PROTECTS HISTORIC RESOURCES.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST TWO IN THAT CATEGORY.

BECAUSE IT PRESERVES AND PROTECTS CULTURE.

IT'S JUST TOO BROAD.

WHAT DOES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, I CAN. CULTURE RESOURCES ARE AN UMBRELLA OVER ARCHEOLOGY AND, OBJECTS, STRUCTURES, PLACES. SO WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES.

AND IF THERE'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY, YES, I WOULD SAY WOULD GET POINTS IF THERE'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR GET POINTS NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO YOU TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T. ONE OF THE PENALTIES THAT WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH WOULD BE, PROPER GIVE POINTS TO PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

SO IF IT'S IN A REGISTER DISTRICT, REGISTERED DISTRICT, YOU COULD GET ADDITIONAL POINTS.

SO THAT WAS ONE, ITEM THAT WE COULD ADD UNDER THE.

THAT'S A GOOD ONE. THAT'S A GOOD ONE TOO.

THAT'S A GOOD ONE TOO.

I THINK WE COULD ADD THOSE UNDER CULTURAL RESOURCES, JUST AS, AS ADDITIONAL CRITERIA.

OKAY. AND THAT WOULD WORK.

AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, FEEDBACK TONIGHT.

BUT IF WE BRING THESE TO YOU AND YOU WANT TO DIVE INTO THE RANKINGS OR HOW THIS WE CAN THIS IS AT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION SO WE CAN REEVALUATE THIS MATRIX DOWN THE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, AFTER WE'VE WE'VE TRIED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, WE CAN ALWAYS TINKER WITH IT.

SO I AGREE, I AGREE, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK AND YOU KNOW, LET'S GIVE IT A SPAN, YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE A COUPLE EXAMPLES AND SEE HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS.

OKAY. WE CAN DO IT.

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TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE COULD CERTAINLY THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU BECAUSE WE CAN BRING THIS IS HARD FOR ME TO ACTUALLY IMAGINE THE WAY IT IS.

WE COULD BRING A COUPLE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD SOME FOLKS REACH OUT AND, AND, GO THROUGH THE SCORING AND YEAH, BRING THAT BACK JUST FOR KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS. IF WE FINALIZE THE MISSION STATEMENT AND GOALS, WHICH I THINK WE'VE GOT PRETTY CLOSE TO FINALIZING THAT TONIGHT AND THE SELECTION MATRIX, THE NEXT THING THAT WE WOULD DO IS, STAFF WILL WILL CREATE A LANDING PAGE FOR THE PROGRAM.

IT WILL HAVE ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR OBJECTIVES AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE'LL POINT THOSE OUT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.

WE'LL HAVE A NOMINATION FORM OR AN APPLICATION FORM FOR PEOPLE TO SUBMIT WILL CREATE A COMMITTEE OR STAFF.

WE PLAN TO DO THIS INTERNALLY WITH, TECHNICAL OR PROFESSIONAL TECHNICAL STAFF TO DO THE RANKINGS, TO BRING THEM TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

WE'LL GET THE WEB PAGE UP AND RUNNING AND, ESTABLISH A LAUNCH DATE AND THEN START THE PUBLIC OUTREACH COMMUNICATIONS PLAN TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE.

SO IF WE CAN GET THE BRING BACK THE EXAMPLE WITH THE SELECTION MATRIX AND MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

WE PROBABLY, FROM COMMISSION'S APPROVAL, NEED ABOUT A MONTH TO, GET THIS SITE UP AND RUNNING, SO WE CAN GET OUR COMMUNICATIONS PLAN AND EVERYTHING GOING.

SO. AND I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THE MATRIX.

OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE FOUR, POINTS, SCHEDULES SET OUT FOR ACTUALLY PRESERVING SENSITIVE LANDS.

AND THEN IT GETS INTO OTHER THINGS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED WAS THAT, FOR INSTANCE, THE PROPERTY BOUGHT ON FLORIDA AVENUE, WE DIDN'T INTEND TO BUY THAT FOR A RECREATION, AND IN THE FUTURE WE MIGHT.

BUT ALMOST EVERY SENSITIVE LAND THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BUY WOULD ALSO BE POTENTIALLY RECREATION.

SO THAT JUST ADDS POINTS TO THAT GROUP, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT INTEND FOR IT TO BE A PARK OR A RECREATION AREA, AND THEN TO HAVE PROVIDES A PASSIVE RESOURCE, RECREATION OPPORTUNITY AND POINTS FOR PROVIDING WATER ACCESS, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TEN ADDITIONAL POINTS FOR FLORIDA AVENUE, EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER INTENDED POSSIBLY FOR THAT PROPERTY BE WATER ACCESS.

SO IT SEEMS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S IF CONSERVATION IN MY MIND IS THE MAIN PURPOSE, NOT RECREATION, ALTHOUGH SOME PROPERTIES WOULD BE PERFECTLY SET FOR RECREATION AND NOT FOR CONSERVATION, FOR INSTANCE, BUT FOR ME TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT WE WANT TO SET ASIDE.

IN MY HEART, I'M SAYING CONSERVATION PRIMARILY.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M POINTING OUT THAT WE HAVE POTENTIALLY PEOPLE GIVING POINTS FOR WATER ACCESS FOR A PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD NEVER INTEND TO BUY TO PROVIDE WATER ACCESS.

AND I'M THINKING OF A TINY PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I'VE ALREADY HAD SOMEBODY APPROACH ME TO HAVE THE CITY BUY ITS YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON IT.

IT'S A NARROW.

BUT IT WOULD BE A GREAT KAYAK LAUNCH.

WELL, WE DON'T WANT A KAYAK LAUNCH THERE.

SO HE COULD SCORE THIS OUT TO BE PREVENTING FLOODS AND DIVERSITY OF ENVIRONMENT, AND ALSO PROVIDING WATER ACCESS AND PROVIDING A PASSIVE PARK.

HE COULD SCORE PRETTY HIGH ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD NEVER WANT.

SO JUST WANT TO SEE HOW IT WORKS.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF OF SAMPLES BECAUSE YOU COULD MANIPULATE THIS VERY EASILY.

I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THESE NEED EXPLAINERS.

BECAUSE WHEN I SAY, I MEAN, IT COULD BE SIMPLY AT FACE VALUE, PROVIDES WATER ACCESS, RIGHT? WHERE WHEN WE THINK AS COMMISSIONERS, WE THINK PROVIDE WATER ACCESS.

OH, WELL, THEN IT COULD BE THE PUBLIC COULD USE IT.

AND SINCE IT SITS IN IT'S IN THAT IT'S IN THAT CONTEXT OF OPEN SPACE RECREATION.

RIGHT. I 100% GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THE LIGHT BULB IS ON AND, MAYBE IT NEEDS AN EXPLAINER, BUT, THAT IS DEFINITELY AN INTERESTING POINT.

YES. AND THIS IS NOT ALL OF WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I JUST HAD ADDED IN OR VIEWSCAPE SO IT COULD BE A WATER VIEWSCAPE WHICH WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT. WHATEVER.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE JUST GET RID OF THAT CATEGORY.

IT'S THE SIMPLEST THING. YEAH.

WELL, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE RANK PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF WATER ACCESS, AND MAYBE IT'S A MATTER OF SEMANTICS.

MAYBE IT'S THE DIFFERENT JUST PROVIDES WATER ACCESSES.

AND REALLY WHAT WE MEAN, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE MEAN.

WHAT WE MEAN IS THAT PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF WATERFRONT DOESN'T.

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SO BUT I COMPLETELY FOLLOW YOU ON THAT ONE.

SO OKAY. AND I BELIEVE FOR THESE PROPERTIES WE WOULD HAVE KIND OF A DRAFT MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.

SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT STAFF HAS, YOU KNOW, OH WE ARE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL HAVING A TRAIL WITH, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE TRAIL THERE'S AN OVERLOOK FOR MARSH ACCESS.

SO, PART OF THIS WOULD BE.

YEAH, THERE WE, THERE MIGHT BE A PROPERTY THAT HAS WATER, HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR WATER ACCESS, AND WE RANK THAT.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO FOR THE LIST, WE'LL GENERATE THE LIST TO THE COMMISSION.

YOU CAN DIG INTO IT.

AND IF YOU SEE A PROPERTY AT RANK EIGHT, BUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY NO, WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE THE EIGHTH PROPERTY OVER THE NUMBER ONE PROPERTY.

WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT WE WOULD PLAN TO TELL YOU KIND OF, WHAT WE HAD IN MIND WITH THE PROPERTY, WHETHER OR NOT WE THOUGHT THERE COULD BE TRAILS IN THERE OR, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESS VIEW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THE WATER.

I IT MAY BE THAT THAT ONE CATEGORY, WATER ACCESS IS REALLY ACTUALLY REDUNDANT TO THE PRESERVES PROTECTS HYDROLOGICAL RESOURCES.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A DOUBLE A DOUBLE VOTE.

IT COULD END UP THAT WAY. I ALMOST CATEGORY ONE TWO FLOOD PREVENTION.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES WE COULD HAVE THAT WOULD HELP FOR FLOODING THAT WOULD BE AWAY FROM THE WATER, BUT PRIMARILY THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ON THE WATER.

COMMISSIONER BLUNDER, YOU'D ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY.

YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS.

THANK YOU. YEAH, WE'RE.

I'LL. I'LL LET YOU GO LAST IF YOU DON'T.

YEAH. THAT'S FINE. WOULD BE GOOD.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOOD.

GOOD. OKAY.

FIRST, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT KEEPING THE OVERALL GOAL IN FRONT OF US.

WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOW UP TONIGHT, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN FLORIDA, AND THERE'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE MOVING IN AGAIN EVERY DAY OR EVERY WEEK OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.

IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.

AND I THINK WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE VALUE OPEN SPACE, VALUE THE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES, VALUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, JUST ENJOY NATURE AND KNOW IT'S THERE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS WITH OTHER WITH AND I LOVE ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES.

I LOVE HISTORIC RESOURCES.

I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, AND SO IS MY HOUSE.

BUT THERE ARE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO PROTECT THOSE AND TO MAINTAIN THOSE, BOTH AT STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.

SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THIS WHEN THE OVERALL GOAL FROM WHAT I HAD INTENDED ORIGINALLY AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IN SUPPORT FROM OUR CITIZENS IS CONSERVATION AND RESILIENCY.

SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT, AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, THERE'S A WHOLE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR ACT AND FUNDING FOR IT AND THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN DIFFERENT, PROTECTED AREAS OR EVEN NOT EVEN PROTECTED AREAS, AGRICULTURAL LANDS OR JUST OPEN SPACE THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED, IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR FOR OVERALL CONSERVATION AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO I WOULD WANT TO ADD THAT IN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ITS OWN CATEGORY OR IF IT JUST FITS IN AS A SUB CATEGORY UNDER SPECIAL VALUE.

BUT THERE'S ALSO THAT INHOLDING PIECE AS WELL, WHERE YOU HAVE A HOLE IN THE DONUT THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED.

I CAN THINK OF THE FISH ISLAND PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE SHOULD BE ON THIS, THIS LIST.

AND THAT'S IT, I LOVE THIS, I'M HOPING THIS HAPPENS.

THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, I'M KIND OF TRYING TO TAKE NOTES.

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WHAT ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT YOU WISH TO ADD? CONNECTIVITY WITH OTHER OPEN SPACES OR PROTECTED AREAS.

CONNECTIVITY. CONNECTIVITY AND.

OR AN INHOLDING.

A WHAT AN INHOLDING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THE SOMEWHERE WITHIN AN EXISTING NATURAL AREA THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT NATURAL AREA AND COULD IMPAIR IT.

OKAY. YEAH. SORRY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU.

TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.

COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

YES, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BLUNDER, WOULD YOU DO YOU THINK THAT WE COULD PUT THE CONNECTIVITY, CRITERIA UNDER ECOSYSTEM SERVICES, OR WOULD THAT BE, I WAS THINKING I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF WHERE IT MIGHT FIT.

I, I REALLY THINK IT MIGHT BE UNDER SPECIAL VALUE.

OKAY. BECAUSE IT HAS THIS IT MAY NOT BE IN AND OF ITSELF, THE HIGHEST QUALITY, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE THOSE EXTRA THINGS OF

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WELL, THE HOMEWORK I HAVE IS TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, AND CREATE AN EXAMPLE OR TWO TO SHOW YOU HOW IT WOULD SCORE IN THE MATRIX AND AND BRING THAT BACK.

SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU ALL.

SOUNDS GREAT. GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU. WE SURE DID.

IT'S A TEAM EFFORT, AND I THINK IT'S, STARTING TO COME TOGETHER.

WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT TO GO.

ALL RIGHT. SO.

WHAT ARE WE NEXT? TIN BEE. CAN BE OKAY.

TEN BE PRESENTATION OF A PROPOSED 90 DAY PEDESTRIAN PILOT PROJECT FOR SPANISH STREET.

ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE ON.

ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE STILL HERE.

YOU'RE STILL HERE. OKAY.

GO FORWARD.

OKAY. THIS NEXT ITEM IS, A PRESENTATION ON A PROPOSED PILOT PROJECT FOR SPANISH STREET, BETWEEN KUNA AND

[10.B. Presentation of a proposed 90-day pedestrian pilot project for Spanish Street. (R. Franklin, Assistant City Manager)]

WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE ARE RECONSTRUCTING THE STREET FOR, BE OUR BRICK CURBLESS STREETS.

AND, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS ON THE STREET, THEY ASKED, THE COMMISSION AND STAFF TO LOOK AT, OPTIONS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT COULD REDUCE, THROUGH TRAFFIC ON THEIR STREET AND COMMERCIAL DELIVERY VEHICLES.

SO FOR TODAY'S AGENDA, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE LAY OF THE LAND AND THEN A COUPLE OF OPTIONS, WITH THE THIRD OPTION BEING WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING, AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS AND ALSO, Q&A.

SO EXISTING CONDITIONS, IF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WASN'T GOING ON, YOU WOULD HAVE SPANISH STREET.

SPANISH STREET RUNS NORTHBOUND.

IT'S A ONE WAY STREET THAT RUNS FROM TREASURY STREET ON THE SOUTH, AND IT RUNS NORTHBOUND ALL THE WAY TO ORANGE STREET.

AND YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE CUNA STREET, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE WAY EASTBOUND.

SO WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WE CLOSED DOWN THIS SECTION OF THE STREET.

AND WE REVERSED KUNA.

STREET. SO KUNA STREET NOW.

GOES LIKE THAT. SO NO, NO, THROUGH TRAFFIC CAN GO THROUGH SPANISH STREET NORTH OF KUEHNE STREET.

SO EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW IS COMING DOWN SPANISH AND MAKING A LEFT AND GOING OUT TO KUEHNE, TAKING KUEHNE STREET OUT TO CORDOVA.

SO OUR FIRST OPTION.

THE FIRST OPTION I HAD WAS BEFORE GOT INPUT FROM RESIDENTS, BUT WE WERE THINKING OF DOING A PEDESTRIAN ONLY SECTION OF THE STREET WHERE THE YELLOW AREA IS HIGHLIGHTED. THIS IS BETWEEN TOLOMATO LANE AND ORANGE STREET AND THE REASON WE WERE LOOKING AT PEDESTRIANIZING THIS SECTION IS BECAUSE VEHICLES CAN MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ON TOLOMATO LANE AND GET THE CORDOVA, AND THIS PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK ON ORANGE STREET HAS SO MANY PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THERE, AND IT'S A BLIND CORNER BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS BOTH GO TO THE VERY EDGE.

SO OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS OF THE BUILDINGS GETTING HIT.

WE CAN'T KEEP TRAFFIC SIGNAGE UP THERE BECAUSE IT GETS HIT.

AND IF YOU ARE THERE IN A CAR AND IT'S HEAVY PEDESTRIAN, YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO NOSE YOUR WAY OUT IN YOUR VEHICLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

SO, THIS WAS KIND OF OPTION ONE, WHICH WAS TO PEDESTRIANIZE THIS SECTION AND HAVE EVERYBODY GO LEFT.

THEN, OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION OF SPANISH STREET ASKED TO CONSIDER WHAT I'LL SAY, OPTION TWO, WHICH WAS, TO LOOK AT REVERSING SPANISH STREET.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE SOUTHERN SECTION OF SPANISH STREET BETWEEN TREASURY AND KUNA NORTHBOUND, BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE FROM ORANGE STREET TO KUNA STREET SOUTHBOUND.

AND STAFF LOOKED AT THAT.

BUT WE WERE WE WERE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HAVING TWO DIRECTIONS OF TRAFFIC MEETING RIGHT HERE.

AND SO, STAFF.

WASN'T PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH THIS IDEA BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICTS THAT WOULD START TO COME UP AT THIS INTERSECTION AT CUNA STREET IN SPANISH.

SO THAT LED TO OPTION THREE, WHICH IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

TO BE AT ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN ONLY AND SLASH LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY SECTION.

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YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED.

WE'D ALSO INCLUDE THE PEDESTRIAN ONLY AREA BETWEEN TOLOMATO LANE AND ORANGE STREET.

HERE, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PUT A BOLLARD OUT.

RIGHT HERE.

SOME MORE WRITING HERE.

SO ALL TRAFFIC COMING NORTHBOUND ON SPANISH STREET IS GOING TO HAVE TO TURN LEFT AND EXIT TO CORDOVA STREET.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS SET UP RIGHT NOW WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE MIDSECTION OF SPANISH STREET, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VIA THE TOLOMATO LOT.

SO THE DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT NEED TO GET TO THE LOADING ZONE, AND OUR OWN SOLID WASTE THAT HAVE TO GET TO OUR TRASH COMPACTOR, THEY'RE GOING TO ENTER AND DRIVE THROUGH THE TOLL MODEL LOT AND MAKE A LEFT ON THE SPANISH STREET, AND THEN THEY'LL EXIT OUT THE TOLOMATO LANE.

NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WITH THE DESIGN, WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, IS WE ACTUALLY WIDENED THE TURNING RADIUS ON TOLOMATO LANES.

SO WE CAN WE MAKE THAT TURN A LOT EASIER FOR LARGER VEHICLES.

SO THAT MAKES US COMFORTABLE WITH PEDESTRIANS IN THAT NEXT SECTION.

RESIDENTS AND FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THIS, PEDESTRIAN AND LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY SECTION, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN OUT OF THE TOTAL MODEL LANE AND GET TO THEIR DRIVEWAYS.

SO THAT WILL BE A PEDESTRIAN SLASH LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY SECTION OF STREET.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO RUN THE PILOT TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

FOR THAT SECTION.

AND IF SUCCESSFUL, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS PLAN TO BRING BACK BEFORE THE 90 DAYS IS OVER.

AT 60 DAYS, WE'D WORK ON, BRINGING A UPDATE BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO SEE WHETHER THE TEMPERATURE IS THERE TO, MAKE THE PILOT PERMANENT. OR MAYBE WE LEARN THINGS FROM THE PILOT THAT, WE TWEAK IT OR WE GO BACK TO, EXISTING CONDITIONS.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I WILL SAY WE HAVE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO, MOST ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED, BUT WE HAVEN'T REACHED EVERYBODY YET.

THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS PROBABLY GOING TO BE DONE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY.

SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS OVER.

WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THE PILOT PROJECT.

SO WE JUST GO SEAMLESSLY FROM THE CONSTRUCTION TO THE PILOT.

IN BETWEEN THAT, WE WILL HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND GET, EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S IMPACTED.

WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, I'M SURE WE HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THIS.

IT'S A VERY INNOVATIVE, SET OF SOLUTIONS.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

COMMISSIONER HORVATH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

MAYOR HORVATH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE SOUTHERN DRIVE ALONG.

TOLOMATO LOT.

WILL WE NAME THAT AS A STREET? BECAUSE IT SEEMS HARD TO GET PEOPLE'S DIRECTION IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A NAME.

AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

IN THE PILOT, WE WERE NOT PLANNING ON DOING THAT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT OF HOW DO YOU GET SOMEBODY'S ADDRESS? YOU KNOW, HAS GOOGLE MAPS GOING TO TAKE THEM THERE? SO WE MAY HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE PUTTING SOME SIGNAGE OUT THAT SHOWS PEOPLE THAT THIS IS HOW YOU ACCESS THAT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT PART OF THE PILOT IS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW CONFUSING IS THIS? WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE DO WE NEED IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT PERMANENT? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

YES. YEAH.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I COMMENTED ABOUT, CONTACTING THE BUSINESSES, EVEN THOSE ON SAINT GEORGE STREET THAT RECEIVE THOSE DELIVERIES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD TELL WHO DOES THAT, BUT, I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF LANDOWNERS, I MEAN, A FEW LANDOWNERS THAT ARE A LOT OF BUILDINGS.

SO MAYBE WE CAN CONTACT, BUT ALSO THE BUSINESSES ARE ALREADY USED TO THOSE TO KUNA BEING A ONE WAY WEST.

SO THEY COULD BE SURVEYED NOW.

AND HAVE YOU SEEN A PROBLEM WITH, WITH YOUR BUSINESS? THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES THERE.

FLAGLER COLLEGE OWNS MOST OF IT.

SO THAT WOULD BE A ONE IDEA.

AND I DO LIKE, OPTION THREE.

AND I REALLY THINK THAT THE TOLOMATO LANE, WHICH IS.

WHICH IS ON THE NORTH END, COULD BE NORTH TOLOMATO LANE, AND YOU COULD HAVE A SOUTH TOLOMATO LANE, EVEN TEMPORARILY, JUST TO NAME IT.

OR YOU COULD NAME THE WHOLE THING TOLOMATO LANE, AND IT WOULD BE A U SHAPED LANE.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT EVEN DURING THE TEMPORARY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME CONCENTRATING ON THAT SOUTHERN TOLOMATO LANE STREET, BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY, IT'S NOT HOLY.

IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD ROAD TO DRIVE.

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SO THAT'S ONE THING TO CONSIDER FOR THOSE 90 DAYS.

WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO KEEP THAT NICE GOING.

I HAVE PARKED IN THAT PARKING LOT BEFORE, AND I GOT A TICKET.

AND WHEN I.

AND WHEN I LEFT, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING HOW TO GET OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNS IF YOU COME.

IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS WHEN YOU COME OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AROUND THE WHOLE LOOP TO GET OUT AND NOT GO OUT ON CORDOVA STREET.

CORRECT? RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS EXCELLENT.

ALL RIGHT. JUST TO, DOVETAIL ON THOSE COMMENTS.

THIS FITS NICELY.

THE THING THAT WE LIKE ABOUT OPTION THREE IS IT FITS NICELY IN WITH THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS OF TOTAL MODEL LOT.

SO WE CAN TAKE THIS INFORMATION.

LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE NEED TO MAKE THAT A PERMANENT LANE WITH WITH SIGNAGE, WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT AND INCLUDE THAT IN THE DESIGN FOR TOTAL MODEL LOT AS WELL, WHICH WE WE PLAN TO DO THIS UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR.

SO YOU KNOW THAT SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, MAYBE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

IT'S BEEN. TEN YEARS OR SO SINCE WE ORIGINALLY FIRST CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF TOLOMATO LOT.

YES. SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO.

YEAH, HIGH LEVEL, THE TOLOMATO LOT IMPROVEMENTS, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE SPANISH STREET PROJECT.

WE HAD TO SPLIT IT BECAUSE OF BUDGET CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT THE TOTAL MODEL LOT BASICALLY IS RECONFIGURING THE PARKING IN THERE TO ADD, COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONES IN THE TOLOMATO LOT.

AND THE INTENT WAS TO GET THEM TO ELIMINATE THE LOADING ZONE ON SPANISH STREET AND ALSO THE TRASH COMPACTOR THAT'S ON SPANISH STREET.

SO EVERYBODY, THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO ACCESS IT OFF OF CORDOVA STREET AND PARK IN THE LOT AND RUN THEIR, DELIVERIES DOWN. AND THEN THE SOLID WASTE WILL ACTUALLY ACCESS THE COMPACTOR FROM THE TOTAL MODEL LOT.

AND WE HAVE PLANNED TO THAT'S GOING TO IT WAS SPECKED OUT TO BE COQUINA CONCRETE IN THERE.

SO IT DOESN'T RUT UP WITH ALL OF THAT, TRAFFIC.

CAN I COMMENT ABOUT THAT TOO? IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN YOU COULD ELIMINATE TRAFFIC ON SPANISH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ORANGE.

THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE THEY COULD GO INTO SOUTH TOLOMATO LANE, GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND GO OUT.

SO THEN SPANISH STREET COULD BE WALKING ALL THE WAY FROM KUNA TO ORANGE.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH.

AND WITH, WE COULD CREATE AN ACCESS CONTROL, ONE ACCESS CONTROL POINT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE, WHICH WOULD BE THAT TOTAL MODEL LOT.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT DOVETAILS INTO THIS PILOT.

WE COULD LEARN A LOT, FROM THAT AND THEN INCORPORATE WHAT WE LEARN INTO THE DESIGN OF THE TOTAL MODEL LOT.

SO, I'LL.

I THINK COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GARRIS HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.

GREAT JOB ON THE THREE DIFFERENT DESIGNS.

AND I AGREE THAT THREE, IS THE BEST DESIGN.

THAT PILOT WILL BE GOOD.

THAT, PARKING LOT IS A NIGHTMARE.

AND, THE WAY, THE EVEN THE WAY THE LITTLE WOODEN THINGS FOR WHERE YOU PARK ARE, LIKE, ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO I THINK SOME OF THAT CAN BE CLEANED UP PRIOR TO EVEN THE PILOT GOING INTO EFFECT, BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE SHORT LIKE YOU HAVE TO RIDE OVER WOOD TO GET INTO A SPACE AND SO FORTH.

SO I THINK WE CAN DO SOME CONFIGURING WITH THAT AS WELL.

EVEN BEFORE WE START THE PILOT, HAVING WENT DOWN THERE AND TALKED TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, I SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE, TRYING TO COME THROUGH THERE WITH BABY STROLLERS AND EVERYTHING, EVEN THOUGH, THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CAGED IN FROM THE FENCING.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE THAT A WALKABLE AREA, IT WOULD BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE HOUSES. THEY SHARED A STORY WITH ME THAT SOME A CAR CAME CRASHING INTO ONE OF THE HOUSES, TAKING THAT CORNER SO IT WOULD PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SAFETY FOR THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE IS SOME BARS THAT ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, AND IT PROBABLY WILL, PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE A REASON TO BECAUSE THEY'LL BE PROBABLY TRYING TO GAIN ACCESS TO THEIR CAR.

SO WE PROVIDE A SENSE OF SAFETY FOR THEM.

AND IT ALSO WOULD PROVIDE, I KNOW THAT WE ONLY GOT A COUPLE.

I ONLY GOT A COUPLE OF EMAILS FROM BUSINESSES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE LOADING ZONE AND SO FORTH.

BUT THERE IS AREAS FOR FROM THE BUSINESSES THAT WE HEARD FROM THE GAIN ACCESS TO THEM GETTING THEIR STUFF, DELIVERED STILL. AND SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN.

AND I PERSONALLY THINK, YOU DID A GOOD JOB AND I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS WILL BE VERY HAPPY.

THANK YOU. OKAY, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF SHORT COMMENTS.

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I THINK THE THIRD PROPOSAL IS THE BEST.

THE OTHER COMMENT IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A PILOT PROJECT, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT MODEL TO LEARN FROM.

AS WE LOOK AT OTHER STREETS WHERE WE HAVE CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THE, THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT I HAVE IN MIND. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE THEM BAKED IN.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AS A MODEL FOR AND LEARN FROM FOR OTHER POSSIBLE LOCATIONS.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT.

SO I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT.

I DID GET A LATE TEXT FROM A PROPERTY THAT'S AFFECTED THAT HASN'T BEEN REACHED OUT TO.

THAT'S ACTUALLY, HAS A DRIVEWAY THAT EXITS OUT ONTO SPANISH AND THEY TELL ME THAT THEY'RE BEING, THEY'RE USING.

WHEN IT. WHEN CORDOVA'S FLOODED, THEY'RE USING, THEIR DRIVEWAY TO GET TO SPANISH TO GET TO ORANGE.

AND THEY ALSO ARE SAYING THAT THEY'RE USING, IT TO AVOID TRAFFIC WHEN IT'S BACKED UP.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW OFTEN THAT THE TRAFFIC IS VERY, CONGESTED AROUND THE GARAGE AND ORANGE STREET.

A LOT TO DO WITH PEDESTRIANS LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED.

SO I KNOW IT'S A TOUGHIE, BUT, PLEASE REACH OUT TO THEM.

YOU HAVE GIVEN US YOUR REASSURANCE THAT YOU WOULD REACH OUT TO THEM AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM.

AND I AGREE WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK IT'S A IT'S A GOOD WAY TO, TO APPROACH THE PROBLEM AND SEE WHAT THE BUGS ARE, GET THEM WORKED OUT.

AND, THE ALTERNATIVE THREE SEEMS LIKE THE, WAY TO GO.

SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION FROM US OR JUST AN AGREEMENT? LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF RESOLUTION OR.

NO. OKAY.

SO IT'S AN AGREEMENT TO, MOVE FORWARD.

SO, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD THE PILOT PROGRAM FOR 90 DAYS AND, BRING THESE REPORTS BACK TO US ON A REGULAR BASIS.

PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED AS IT GOES.

FORWARD. I SECOND THAT.

AND CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? SURE. THERE IS A REAL ESTATE OFFICE ON THE CORNER OF SPANISH AND THE SOUTH.

IT MAY BE, ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO GIVE THEM TWO PARKING SPACES IN THIS TEMPORARY TIME INSTEAD OF MAKING PEOPLE TURN THE CORNER AND PARKING IN FRONT.

JUST AN IDEA. AND SURE, I DON'T KNOW ALL THAT.

YES. THIS, THERE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S BEHIND THE BUSINESS THAT I JUST DISCUSSED, SO THAT MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LET'S SEE. WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I.

HI. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. GO AND DO WELL.

THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ENCOURAGE CLAPPING, BUT I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL HAVE WAITED FOR THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

UNDERSTOOD. MESSAGE RECEIVED.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO ITEM TEN C.

[10.C. Discussion of the results of the 2023 Citizen Survey. (M. Wissel, Director Communications)]

YOU'RE BACK. THE CITIZENS SURVEY I SEE DID THAT QUICK.

WELL, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD, I'M BLOND ARE LEFT.

WELL, WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.

WELL, WE CAN TAKE A BREAK.

WE COULD TAKE A SHORT BREAK.

THAT'S UP TO YOU. IT'S 7:00.

THAT'S UP TO YOU.

IT IS. I SAY LET'S GO THROUGH.

SO LET'S GO THROUGH. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT.

YEP. YES.

CITIZENS SURVEY.

OKAY. YES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS MELISSA WISSEL, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR.

LAST JULY, THE CITY CONTRACTED POLCO TO CONDUCT A CITIZENS SURVEY USING THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY, WHICH PROVIDES A COMPREHENSIVE PICTURE OF LIVABILITY AND RESIDENT PERSPECTIVES ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES.

THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY MEASURE OUR COMMUNITY AGAINST NATIONWIDE COMMUNITIES AND PROVIDE A REPORT CARD OF SORTS ON HOW WE ARE DOING IN COMPARISON.

POLCO MAILED POSTCARDS TO 3000 RANDOMLY SELECTED HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, INVITING ONE HOUSEHOLD INDIVIDUAL TO COMPLETE AN ONLINE SURVEY.

THOSE SAME HOUSEHOLDS WERE ALSO MAILED A PAPER VERSION OF THE SURVEY, SO THERE WAS NO LIMITATION TO THE SURVEY ONLY BEING MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE.

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WE ADDITIONALLY OPENED THE SURVEY TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THE REPORT RESULTS HERE ARE STRICTLY FROM THOSE INDIVIDUALS RESIDING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

OF THE 3000 SURVEY INVITATIONS, 609 PARTICIPANTS COMPLETED THE SURVEY.

THAT'S A TOTAL OF 22%.

THE PURPOSE OF THE CITIZEN SURVEY WAS TO MEASURE COMMUNITY LIVABILITY, ASSESS RESIDENTS NEEDS, EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAMS, AND GAUGE RESIDENTS SENTIMENT AND SATISFACTION WITH KEY SERVICE AREAS AND PROGRAMS. THE LAST TIME WE CONDUCTED THIS TYPE OF CITIZEN SURVEY WAS IN 2019.

IN SUMMARY, FOR OUR KEY FINDINGS, WE REALLY HAD NO SURPRISES.

SAINT AUGUSTINE RESIDENTS REPORT THEY EXPERIENCE A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND ENJOY ARTS AND CULTURE OPPORTUNITIES.

AND A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS RATE SAINT AUGUSTINE AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD WHEN IT COMES TO BEING A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND RAISE CHILDREN, AND THERE IS A POSITIVE IMAGE AND REPUTATION OF THE CITY.

A MAJORITY OF RESPONDENTS PLAN TO REMAIN IN SAINT AUGUSTINE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

WE RECEIVED HIGH RATINGS FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTEND SPECIAL EVENTS AND FESTIVALS, CULTURAL ARTS AND MUSIC ACTIVITIES, AS WELL AS HIGH PRAISE FOR OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORT OF THE ARTS, ALL WHICH WERE RATED HIGHER THAN NATIONAL BENCHMARK COMPARISONS.

ALSO NO SURPRISE, RESIDENTS HIGHLIGHTED SAINT AUGUSTINE AS AN EXCELLENT OR GOOD PLACE TO VISIT AND THE VIBRANCY OF DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL AREA RATED HIGHER THAN NATIONAL AVERAGES WHEN COMPARED TO 2019, THE 2023 RATINGS IN THESE CATEGORIES REMAIN STABLE.

ANOTHER AREA OF THE KEY FINDINGS WAS IN MOBILITY, RANKING THIS AMONG THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES AND REPRESENTING AN ABOVE AVERAGE LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE WHEN COMPARED TO NATIONAL BENCHMARKS. 88% OF OUR RESIDENT RESPONDENTS CATEGORIZE MOBILITY AS AN ESSENTIAL OR VERY IMPORTANT AREA OF FOCUS FOR THE CITY.

IN THE COMING TWO YEARS, ONLY 27% OF RESIDENTS RATED THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD, AND 38% RATED IT AS FAIR. INDIVIDUAL AREAS OF CONCERN INCLUDED EASE OF TRAVEL BY CAR, TRAFFIC FLOW ON MAJOR STREETS, AND EASE OF PARKING PUBLIC PARKING, ALL OF WHICH WERE MUCH LOWER THAN NATIONAL COMPARISONS.

HOWEVER, ON A POSITIVE NOTE, RESIDENTS RECOGNIZE THE EASE OF WALKING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO MADE ALTERNATIVE CHOICES FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS BY CARPOOLING, WALKING, OR BIKING INSTEAD OF DRIVING.

CITY SERVICES RELATED TO MOBILITY, SUCH AS STREET CLEANING, STREET LIGHTING AND TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMING WERE RATED POSITIVELY BY AT LEAST HALF OF OUR RESPONDENTS, AND THOSE SCORES WERE ON PAR WITH THE NATIONAL BENCHMARKS.

AGAIN, MOST RATINGS WITHIN THIS FACET REMAIN STABLE COMPARED WITH THE SAME RATINGS IN 2019.

THE LAST AREA OF KEY FINDINGS IN THE REPORT RELATE TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

RESULTS SHOW THAT RESIDENTS NOT ONLY VALUE SAFETY, BUT THEY ALSO FEEL SAFE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHICH SIGNIFIES THIS FACET AS A STRENGTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.

RESIDENTS FEEL SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS IN THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL AREA DURING THE DAY, AND THEY FEEL SAFE FROM BOTH VIOLENT CRIME AND PROPERTY CRIME.

WHEN LOOKING AT HOW RESIDENTS FEEL ABOUT THEIR SAFETY WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE, FLOODING OR OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES, LESS THAN HALF FEEL SAFE, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE CONSIDERING WE ARE SO VULNERABLE TO HURRICANES AND SEASONAL FLOODING.

HOWEVER, 7,576% OF RESPONDENTS GAVE US VERY HIGH RATINGS FOR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.

SO WE MAY BE A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT WE'RE READY.

SAFETY RELATED SERVICES SUCH AS AMBULANCE OR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, FIRE PREVENTION AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS, AND THE SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED HIGH MARKS AND, GENERALLY SPEAKING, 2023.

FINDINGS AGAIN WERE STABLE, INDICATING THAT OVERALL WE ARE DOING WELL, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'LL START WITH MOBILITY.

I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET A PERFECT SCORE IN THAT AREA.

HOWEVER, WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE.

WE DO PROVIDE FREE PARK AND RIDE SHUTTLES DURING OUR BUSIEST WEEKENDS, SUCH AS NIGHTS OF LIGHTS, THE SPRING FESTIVAL SEASON, AND 4TH OF JULY.

WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THE DOWNTOWN CIRCULATOR AS A FIRST STEP IN A LONGER RANGE, BROADER SOLUTION, WITH THE HOPES OF EVENTUALLY EXPANDING THAT SERVICE BEYOND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC CORE. AND THE RECENT AGREEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BROWDY PROPERTY TO INCLUDE A PARKING GARAGE AND TRANSPORTATION HUB IS ANOTHER STEP TOWARD IMPROVING MOBILITY.

AS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS IS NOT JUST ROADS AND SIDEWALKS, BUT ALSO SPEAKS TO OUR UTILITY STRATEGIES.

THAT INCLUDES STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, FLOOD MITIGATION, RESILIENCY, AND EVEN SOLID WASTE.

NONE OF THESE ARE OVERNIGHT SOLUTIONS, AND THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN OUR CONTROL OR JURISDICTION, WHICH REQUIRES WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES, TO NAME A FEW.

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LIKE I SAID, THOSE ARE JUST A FEW.

THESE LAST TWO AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT, TRANSPARENCY AND ENGAGEMENT ARE A DIRECT CORRELATION TO THE WORK OF THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND SOMETHING THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH AND TRY TO MASTER EVERY DAY.

OUR JOB IS TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING, TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS AMPLE TIME TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING, AND TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS, TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT AND TO BE HEARD.

BUT JUST THE SAME, IN OUR DEFENSE, WE WANT TO BE HEARD EVERY DAY WITH EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WE PUT OUT.

WE HAVE A MASSIVE WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA, TRADITIONAL MEDIA OUTLETS, NEWS AND NOTES, OUR WEEKLY E-NEWSLETTER.

WE BROADCAST INTERVIEWS ON FLAGLER COLLEGE RADIO FOUR TIMES A WEEK.

SO BELIEVE ME, WE ARE OUT THERE.

BUT IF WE ARE NOT BROADCASTING OR PUBLISHING OR POSTING OUR INFORMATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AND LISTENING, THEN IT ALL FALLS ON DEAF EARS.

SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE FOLLOWING CONCLUSION.

IN THE SPIRIT OF CITIZEN SURVEYS, AND I USE THAT TERM GENERICALLY, WE WOULD LIKE YOUR BLESSING TO CONDUCT ANOTHER SURVEY.

AND I ASK THIS WITH GUARDED OPTIMISM FOR SEEKING PUBLIC INPUT, BECAUSE OUR BIGGEST FEAR IS SURVEY FATIGUE.

IN THE COMING WEEKS, THE SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ISSUING A SURVEY TO GAUGE A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING AND SOLICIT MORE SPECIFIC INPUT ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND RESIDENTS SENTIMENT ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE MENTIONED CONSERVATION AS A TOPIC.

I THINK WE JUST COVERED THAT RATHER EXHAUSTIVELY WITH MR. FRANKLIN. SO WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED FOR NOW.

BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO START A COMMUNICATIONS OUTREACH SURVEY TO FIND OUT WHERE PEOPLE GET THEIR INFORMATION.

DO THEY KNOW ABOUT OUR CHANNELS OF INFORMATION DISTRIBUTION AND DISSEMINATION, AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE OUR COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGIES MORE EFFECTIVE? THANK YOU. HEAR, HEAR.

I JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT LAST STATEMENT.

YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE AND WE SEE IT HERE AT, AT THE COMMISSION MEETINGS AND IN THE PUBLIC AND THE LETTERS THAT WE GET, THE EMAILS THAT WE GET, THE SPEAKERS THAT COME ON THESE ISSUES.

AND, SINCE WE HAVE THIS SEEMS LIKE A VOID OF JOURNALISM, OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, A LOCAL NEWS SOURCE, A JOURNALISTIC NEWS SOURCE IN A COMMUNITY, PEOPLE EMERGE AS SPOKESPEOPLE FOR ISSUES.

AND, THEY OTHER PEOPLE TRUST THEM AND LOOK UP TO THEM AND RESPECT THEM.

THEY GET ON FACEBOOK, THEY PUT OUT AN IDEA.

THEY SAY, THIS IS THE WAY IT IS, AND THEY'RE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE.

AND THIS AND IT'S IT'S NOT JUST FACEBOOK.

I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, I SHOULD SAY SOCIAL MEDIA.

BUT WHAT ENDS UP IS WHEN THEY GET WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE READ THESE THINGS AND HEARD THESE THINGS AS SINCE THEY'RE A WRITTEN WORD, THEY COME TO US AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY COME WITH A LOT OF MISINFORMATION.

AND JUST RECENTLY THERE'S THERE'S AN ISSUE TONIGHT THAT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT, OUT THERE.

WE SAW IT WITH THE NIGHTLIFE ISSUE, TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MISINFORMATION, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD NEWS SOURCE.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, I'M GETTING OFF MY SOAPBOX NOW BECAUSE IT IS FRUSTRATING.

IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING.

BUT, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR US AND GET OUT THE FACTS.

AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HERE HEARING SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS, I DO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE MORE ALTERNATIVES ON THE MOBILITY.

WE NEED TO CONTINUE THOSE STRATEGIES.

ENCOURAGE. THE SURVEY IS VERY FOCUSED ON AUTOMOBILE TRAVEL, WHICH IS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE AS AMERICANS ARE OBSESSED WITH OUR AUTOMOBILES AND AUTOMOBILE TRAVEL.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU NOTED THE WALKABILITY.

SAINT AUGUSTINE RANKS REALLY HIGH ON THE WALKABILITY SCORE.

NOT SO GREAT ON BICYCLES, BUT WALKABILITY.

YES, BUT I WILL CATCH THAT BY SAYING, LIKE I'VE ALWAYS SAID, THIS IS A 16TH CENTURY STREET SYSTEM AND, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

IT WAS BUILT FOR HORSE AND PEDESTRIAN, NOT EVEN NOT EVEN CARTS, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN WAGONS THAT IT WAS PRE WAGONS AND THOSE IT WAS HORSE AND PEDESTRIAN.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WORK AROUND IT, FIND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.

AND SO THANK YOU WITH THAT.

COMMISSIONER GARRIS, YOU HAVE COMMENTS.

YES. I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO DO A SURVEY.

I WAS THINKING MAYBE, JUST CREATIVELY, SENDING SOMETHING WITH PEOPLE'S WATER BILL.

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BELIEVE ME, THEY NOTICE EVERYTHING ABOUT THEIR WATER BILL, BECAUSE I GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT SINCE WE HAD WENT UP.

BUT LIKE LITTLE MESSAGES OR A LITTLE INSERT, SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WOULD YOU RATE OUR POLICE STATION THAT THEY CAN SEND BACK.

A LOT OF PEOPLE MAIL THEIRS IN.

EVER SINCE WE LOST THE SAINT AUGUSTINE RECORD, PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DISCONNECTED WITH LOCAL NEWS BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU TURN ON THE TV AND LOOK AT THE NEWS, IT BASICALLY COVERS JACKSONVILLE AND NOT REALLY SO MUCH OF SAINT AUGUSTINE UNLESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING CRAZY THAT HAPPENED HERE.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S ALWAYS JACKSONVILLE NEWS.

SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE LIKE A LOCAL NEWS CHANNEL TO TUNE INTO.

AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE, GO TO DIFFERENT THINGS TO FIND OUT NEWS.

I KNOW, THERE'S SOME SOCIAL THINGS ON FACEBOOK.

I BELIEVE THERE'S, ONE THAT I FOLLOW, HISTORICAL NEWS AND JUST DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I SEE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT I THINK PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND IF WE HAVE A WINDOW THAT WE CAN REACH PEOPLE.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE CLEVER ENOUGH TO PRESENT THAT, AND BE CREATIVE ENOUGH TO JUST DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT ABOUT WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU CHECKED YOUR BATTERIES ON YOUR FIRE ALARM? JUST LITTLE BLURBS THAT CAN JUST BE PUT ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE MAKING THEM THINK YOU CARE ABOUT MY HOUSE.

SO CREATING SOME KIND OF CONNECTION WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE CITY CORRIDOR.

AND WE HAVE THAT WINDOW TO DO THAT THROUGH THE WATER BILL, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, PUTTING LITTLE INSERTS AND LITTLE MESSAGES ON THAT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GET WITH, JOHN JOHN ABOUT AND JUST TRYING TO CREATE THAT.

AND THAT COULD BE AN ENTRY WAY OF DOING A BLIP SURVEY AND THEN START SENDING LITTLE LETTERS ATTACHED TO THOSE WATER BILLS, BECAUSE THEY COME OUT EVERY MONTH REGULARLY.

AND THAT'S A RESOURCE.

SO YOU'RE NOT DOUBLE POSTING.

RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. YES, MA'AM.

I JUST MISS, MAYOR GEORGE GARDNER'S NEWSLETTER.

YEAH. I WISH WE HAD SOMEBODY TO DO THAT AGAIN.

I MEAN, THAT WAS TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL.

YEAH, THAT ON TOP OF LOSING OUR RECORD COVERAGE IS JUST, BAD SITUATION.

SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK, BUT THANK YOU.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND, YES, I THINK ANOTHER SURVEY WOULD BE GOOD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I HAD WROTE DOWN KNOWLEDGE IS CRITICAL.

I MEAN, WE WE HAVE AN INCREASED SCORE IN ANIMAL CONTROL.

WE DON'T DO ANIMAL CONTROL.

THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD GAIN.

SO I'VE TALKED ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT'S CITY GOVERNMENT 101 THAT'S KIND OF GIVE YOU THE BASICS OF.

WHAT DOES THE COMMISSIONER DO? WHAT DOES THE MANAGER DO? WHAT DOES THE FIRE CHIEF DO? EVEN THOUGH WE UNDERSTAND IT, BETTER THAN MOST BECAUSE WE'RE IN IT, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO, AND I, I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE DID EVERYTHING THAT MELISSA'S DEPARTMENT PUTS OUT, THEY'D BE WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT PEOPLE DON'T GET THE NEWSLETTER.

THEY DON'T LISTEN TO THE.

TO THE RADIO SHOW.

WE JUST NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET IT OUT.

LIKE THE, LIKE THE BILLS, BUT TRY TO GET THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS SO WE CAN SEND THEM THEIR NEWSLETTER, BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INFORMATIONAL.

AND THE WEBSITE HAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN NAVIGATE IT.

SO MORE INFORMATION'S OUT.

WE'RE WORKING ON AN OVERHAUL OF THE WEBSITE BY THE WAY.

YEAH. YEAH THAT'LL COME OUT THIS THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.

AND THIS I THINK MOST OF US COULD HAVE FILLED THIS OUT AND GUESS THE NUMBERS.

RIGHT. THERE WERE SOME FEW SURPRISES, BUT MOST OF THEM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE AGREE.

OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS, USEFUL, AND I APPRECIATE IT, AND I.

WHAT DO WE DO THIS EVERY TWO YEARS? WE HAD BEEN, YES, I THINK IT WAS EVERY OTHER YEAR.

NOT EVERY YEAR.

CORRECT. AND WE CAN USE THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY THAT CAME TO ME AS I WAS DOING MY SUMMARY WAS THE CITIZEN SURVEY IS A VERY TARGETED 3000.

THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE SCIENTIFICALLY SELECTED BY THE POLLING VENDOR.

WE ALSO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE SURVEY MONKEY AT OUR DISPOSAL, WHICH DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T DOESN'T TARGET THOSE SPECIFIC HOUSEHOLDS, EVEN THOUGH THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE CITIZEN SURVEY POLCO PLATFORM THAT WE USE, WE CAN SEND THAT TO ANYBODY.

SO THEY'RE JUST DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE.

BUT ALL RIGHT.

PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM WHICH IS ITEM TEN D PRESENTATION TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS UPDATING THE CITY'S PARKING CODE, INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE PLANNING

[10.D. Presentation to review and discuss updating the City's parking code including recommendations by the Planning and Zoning Board. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

MISS AMY SKINNER, YOU ARE WELCOME TO PRESENT.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY SAY THAT WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS REPORT TO YOU.

AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND THOUGHT, BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THEY HAVE MADE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO UPDATE THE CITY'S PARKING CODE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MOBILITY PLAN.

WE HAVE A DYNAMIC PRESENTATION TO WALK YOU THROUGH.

AND, SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JACOB FREDRICKSON.

HE IS OUR PLANNING MANAGER FOR OUR PLANNING DIVISION.

AND FOR THE MOMENT, I WILL GET OUT OF THE WAY.

BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND WE ARE BOTH AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OR FOR ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU.

YES. GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR. VICE MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JACOB FREDRICKSON.

I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE PLANNING DIVISION.

AND TONIGHT WE HAVE PREPARED A REPORT RECAPPING THE WORK DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR, CULMINATING IN A PROPOSED PARKING CODE UPDATE.

SO IN THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE REASON FOR THIS UPDATE, HOW THIS UPDATE WILL FURTHER THE GOALS OF THE CITY'S PLANS, AND JUST WHAT EXACTLY IS INCLUDED IN THIS UPDATE. SO WE'LL START WITH WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY AND WHY WE DECIDED TO PROCEED WITH THIS.

PROPOSED PARKING CODE UPDATE.

EVERYTHING WE DID OVER THIS PAST YEAR WAS REVOLVED AROUND IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS REFLECTED IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT.

IT'S SEEN HERE ON THE SCREEN, AS WELL AS IN THE ROOM TONIGHT, WITH THE CITY'S COMMISSIONERS AND ITS EMPLOYEES AND THEIR DESIRE TO PROVIDE EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE, AS WELL AS RESIDENTS AND THEIR WANTING TO BE CIVICALLY ENGAGED WITH.

LOCAL MATTERS. FROM THERE WE SEE AS TO.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE DESIRED FUTURE STATE OF THE CITY, WHICH IS TO BE A DIVERSE, LIVABLE, AUTHENTIC WATERFRONT CITY THAT BUILDS UPON ITS RICH HISTORY AND ENVIRONMENT.

THE CORE. A CORE VALUE OF THIS VISION STATEMENT IS TO CONSIDER PRESERVATION AND RESILIENCY IN EVERY DECISION WE MAKE, WHICH WE BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE WITH THIS PROPOSED PARKING CODE UPDATE. SO FROM THERE WE CAN LOOK AT TWO ASPECTS OF QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE BELIEVE ARE INFLUENCED BY OUR PARKING CODE.

SO LET'S JUST WE CAN START WITH TRAFFIC AND WE CAN JUST ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

MISS MAYER, I'M SURE THAT YOU AND I HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE WHEN TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.

AND YOU KNOW HOW THOSE GO.

IT ALWAYS STARTS WITH AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF PRAISE FOR HOW EASY AND CONVENIENT IT IS TO TRAVEL AROUND THE CITY.

IS THAT CORRECT? GENERALLY NOT.

YES. SO UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

SO WE CAN ASSUME THAT BY REDUCING TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION, WE CAN IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SO TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSES TRAFFIC.

THERE ARE TWO MAIN CONTRIBUTORS, WHICH IS THE DESIGN AND DISTANCE.

THE WAY IN WHICH ROADWAYS ARE DESIGNED SETS A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF USERS.

THE ONLY WAY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF USERS IS TO INCREASE CAPACITY.

SAINT AUGUSTINE IS UNIQUE AS IT IS ALWAYS BECAUSE WE CANNOT JUST SIMPLY ADD LANES TO INCREASE CAPACITY.

THE SOLUTIONS INSTEAD TO REDESIGN OUR ROADWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL FORMS OF TRAVEL.

WITH THIS PARKING CODE UPDATE, WE BELIEVE WE WILL ENHANCE THOSE FORMS OF TRAVEL.

THE SECOND FACTOR IS DISTANCE.

SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE PEOPLE ARE AND WHERE THEY WANT TO BE, SUCH AS THEIR HOMES, SHOPS OR PUBLIC SPACES, IS WHAT CAUSES MORE USERS ON ROADWAYS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS UPDATE WILL LOOK TO REDUCE THESE DISTANCES BY LIMITING BARRIERS TO COMPACT INFILL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT LEADS US INTO OUR SECOND FACTOR INTO IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE, WHICH IS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE FUTURE.

LAND USE ELEMENT. IT SAYS THAT THE CITY SHALL PRIORITIZE INFILL REDEVELOPMENT AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, AS WELL AS COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE THIS BY REDUCING THOSE BARRIERS, AS WE JUST SAID.

SO THAT'S A QUICK VIEW AS TO WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY AND THE REASON FOR UNDERTAKING THE THIS INITIATIVE.

SO TO GET FROM THERE INTO WHERE WE WANT TO BE, WE NEED TO SET SOME GOALS.

AND THE WAY WE REACH THOSE GOALS IS BY USING THE TRIED AND TRUE METHOD OF JUST SIMPLY FOLLOWING A PLAN.

LUCKILY FOR THE CITY, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY GOOD PLANS.

SO WHEN WE START WITH THE 2014 VISION PLAN, THIS WAS A REFLECTION OF THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME.

THE FIRST PRIORITY OF THIS PLAN WAS TO MAINTAIN LIVABILITY, WHICH THIS SHOULD BE OBVIOUS BECAUSE WHY WOULD PEOPLE NOT WANT TO CONTINUE LIVING IN SUCH A GREAT CITY? IN ORDER TO DO THIS, THEY REALIZED THAT WE NEEDED TO BECOME MORE VIBRANT AND DYNAMIC AND UNFORTUNATELY, WELL, NOT UNFORTUNATELY, BUT THROUGH THE HARD WORK OF RESIDENTS.

THEY IDENTIFIED ONE BARRIER IN THE WAY.

THAT WAS A LACK OF MOBILITY.

AS PART OF THIS PLAN, THEY ALSO CALLED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE MOBILITY PLAN.

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AND YES, I DID SAY EIGHT SHORT YEARS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE IMPACTS OF HURRICANE MATTHEW AND IRMA, AS WELL AS THE UNWELCOME SURPRISE OF A PANDEMIC, I BELIEVE THAT EIGHT YEARS IS A REMARKABLE TIME TO HAVE SUCH A ROBUST PLAN IN PLACE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO ADOPTED IN 2022.

THIS PLANE HAS A MAIN GOAL OF SHIFTING OUR FOCUS ON MOVING CARS TOWARDS ONE THAT MOVES PEOPLE, GOODS AND SERVICES.

WE BELIEVE THAT WITH THIS UPDATED PARKING CODE, WE WILL ENHANCE THOSE FORMS OF MOBILITY WHICH WILL FURTHER THE GOALS OF THE MOBILITY PLAN.

SO LASTLY, BUT NOT LEAST, WE'LL LOOK AT THE CITY'S OVERARCHING PLAN, WHICH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

HERE ON THE SCREEN ARE SEVERAL ELEMENTS FROM THAT PLAN, AS WELL AS THEIR SPECIFIC GOALS.

EACH ONE OF THESE GOALS HAS SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES.

WHICH SUPPORT THE NEED FOR AN UPDATED PARKING CODE INCLUDED.

THOSE SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES ARE INCLUDED AT YOUR DESK IN CLOSE TO 14 PAGES OF INFORMATION.

AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT, WE WILL NOT GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE AND POLICY, BUT I DID LIKE TO TAKE THE MINUTE TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE.

THERE IS AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR AN UPDATED PARKING CODE.

SO THAT COVERS WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHY WE DID THIS AND WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND WHAT'S GOING TO GUIDE US THERE.

SO BY NOW, I HOPE IT'S CLEAR THAT THE STRATEGY TO DO THAT IS GOING TO BE BY UPDATING THE CITY'S PARKING CODE.

SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE NEED TO FIX.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PARKING CODE THAT'S DATED.

IT'S SUBURBAN IN NATURE AND IT EXACERBATES AFFORDABILITY ISSUES.

SO WHY IS IT DATED? WELL, A LOT OF IT'S CURRENT LANGUAGE AND FORMAT CAN BE TRACED BACK TO OUR CONTEMPORARY ZONING ORDINANCE, FIRST INTRODUCED IN 1975.

THAT ORDINANCE INCLUDED A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH INCLUDED OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO FACILITATE OR TO LESSEN THE IMPACTS OF PARKING WITHIN THE CITY AT THE TIME. IT WAS UPDATED 13 YEARS LATER IN 1988.

AND THIS WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WE SAW AN UPDATE TO THE PARKING CODE, WHICH MEANS THAT FOR THE PAST 36 YEARS, IT HAS REMAINED LARGELY UNTOUCHED.

SO JUST TO REMEMBER WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE IN THE LATE 80S, A GALLON OF GAS WAS $0.91, A DOZEN EGGS WAS $0.65, AND A BRAND NEW SEDAN WAS JUST SHY OF $10,000.

ONE LAST NOTE IS THAT THE FIRST EVER JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS GAME WILL NOT OCCUR FOR ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS.

THE LAST TIME OUR PARKING CODE WAS UPDATED.

SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S ALSO SUBURBAN IN NATURE.

THE SOLE PROVISION, IT'S SOLE PROVISION IS FOCUSED ON PRIVATE AUTOMOBILES, WHICH INDIRECTLY DISCOURAGES ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF MOBILITY.

THE OTHER. THE OTHER PART THAT MAKES IT SUBURBAN IS ITS COSTLY PARKING MANDATES.

THESE ACTIVELY DISCOURAGED COMPACT, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHILE ALSO COMPROMISING SAINT AUGUSTINE'S RESILIENCY IN THE FACE OF EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS SUCH AS HURRICANES, FLOODS, AND HEAT WAVES, WITH THE HIGH AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ASSOCIATED WITH PARKING LOTS.

SO GIVEN ITS AGE AND ITS SUBURBAN NATURE, THAT PLAYS INTO ITS AFFORDABILITY ISSUES.

SO BY USING THE RATIONALE FROM THE 70S AND 80S TO REGULATE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE RESULT IS A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT NOW HAS A BYPRODUCT OF RELIANCE ON PERSONAL AUTOMOBILES.

THE COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH OPERATION INCLUDE FUEL AND MAINTENANCE.

THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH OWNERSHIP INCLUDE INSURANCE, DEPRECIATION, AND MONTHLY PAYMENTS.

THESE COSTS. THESE COSTS CAUSE AFFORDABILITY ISSUES WHILE ALSO DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTING THE FINANCIAL SECURITY OF THOSE MOST VULNERABLE.

SO THESE ARE THE ISSUES WITH OUR CURRENT CODE AND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TO UPDATE AND ADDRESS.

BUT WE DIDN'T JUST SPEND 36 YEARS AND NOT UPDATE OUR PARKING CODE.

IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME THAT THE JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS WERE ESTABLISHED AND MADE THE PLAYOFFS EIGHT TIMES.

WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE 90S.

THERE WAS THERE WAS AN IDEA THAT WE NEEDED TO MOVE AWAY FROM JUST REGULATING OFF STREET PARKING, AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION.

THIS IS SEEN IN THE COMP PLANS OF THE EARLY 90S, THE VISION 95 PLAN, WHICH HAD THE IDEA OF BRINGING TRAVELERS TO AND NOT THROUGH THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.

AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TRANSIT MASTER OR THE TRANSIT GREENWAY SYSTEM CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE FIRST FORM OF A MOBILITY PLAN THAT THE CITY HAD. THIS WAS IN THE LATE 90S.

BUT WITHOUT A CLEAR PLAN IN PLACE.

WE SEE A LOT OF WELL-INTENDED BUT DISJOINTED EFFORTS IN ADDRESSING MOBILITY.

THUS WE SEE OVER THE NEXT DECADE OR SO AFTER THAT, WE MOVE INTO THE 20 TENS.

WE DO SEE THE CREATION OF THAT 2014 VISION PLAN, WHICH WAS NOW COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND DEMAND FOR A MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

THAT, OF COURSE, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, LED TO THE ADOPTION OF THE 2040 MOBILITY PLAN.

SO I'M SURE BY NOW EVERYONE'S ON THE EDGE OF THEIR SEATS.

SO WE CAN FINALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS ACTUAL PROPOSED UPDATE IS.

SO WHAT WE DID OVER THE LAST YEAR IN 2023 WAS STARTING IN JANUARY.

WE HAD THE FIRST OF FIVE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETINGS.

IN THE LATE SPRING, WE CONDUCTED A SURVEY WITH GATHERED, WHICH GATHERED OVER 1100 RESPONSES.

IN THE SUMMER. WE PRESENTED FOUR UNIQUE CODE PROPOSALS TO THE PLANNING BOARD, AND THROUGHOUT THE FALL, WE DEVELOPED ONE OF THOSE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, WHICH ENDED UP GETTING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

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AGAIN, SINCE WE HAVEN'T UPDATED IT SINCE 1988, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL VERSIONS OF THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEER STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ROLLED OUT.

WE JUST HAVEN'T UPDATED OURS.

THIS TABLE HERE SHOWS A COUPLE OF THOSE USES AND HOW IT'S CHANGED.

SO THINGS LIKE ART GALLERIES, LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE SPACE PER 400FT² IN THE 70S.

THAT'S STILL THE SAME NOW WITH THE PROPOSED PARKING CODE UPDATE.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED THERE.

BUT THINGS LIKE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS WERE VIEWED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY IN THE 70S, SO IT REQUIRED TWO SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT, PLUS ONE SPACE FOR THE OWNER OPERATOR AND ONE SPACE FOR EVERY TWO EMPLOYEES.

IN THE 80S, WE SEE AN UPDATE WHERE IT'S JUST BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN EACH ONE.

WE REDUCED THOSE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS UPDATE HERE IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT TABLE.

THINGS LIKE CONVENIENCE STORES HAVE CHANGED JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM 100FT² IN THE 80S TO NOW JUST BEING 200FT².

AND ONE LAST EXAMPLE WOULD BE JUST GENERAL COMMERCIAL SERVICES WHICH HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO PROVIDE.

ONE SPACE PER 300FT² FOR THE PAST 36 YEARS.

WE'RE LOOKING TO UPDATE THAT TO JUST BE ONE SPACE FOR 500FT².

ANOTHER ONE IS PARKING MANAGEMENT.

SO TO ENCOURAGE A PARK ONCE ENVIRONMENT AND ENCOURAGE THE USE OF MULTI-MODAL TRANSIT SHARED PARKING.

SO START ALLOWING FOR THE INCLUSION OF MOBILITY HUBS, VALET PARKING, INTRODUCING A FEE IN LIEU OF FOR REQUIRED PARKING, AND ALSO BEING OPEN TO ANY KIND OF NEW PARKING TECHNOLOGIES THAT MAY COME ONLINE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

ANOTHER ONE IN SHARED PARKING.

SO CURRENTLY, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PURPLE HERE, IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT CAN'T PROVIDE PARKING ON SITE, YOU CAN LOOK ELSEWHERE WITHIN 400FT FOR EXCESS PARKING TO MEET YOUR REQUIREMENT. THIS REQUIRES GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND GETTING APPROVAL THERE.

THIS IS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT SPENT BY DEVELOPERS, ESPECIALLY OF NEIGHBORHOOD USES, AND NOT LARGE CORPORATIONS THAT COME IN AND PROVIDE THEIR OWN PARKING.

SO THIS IS AIMED AT HELPING NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN.

NOW, INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING LIMITED TO 400FT AND HAVING TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THAT CAN BE DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT YOU CAN NOW FIND PARKING WITHIN A QUARTER MILE, WHICH IS STILL CONSIDERED WALKING DISTANCE.

THAT PROVISION STILL, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO GET THAT APPROVED.

BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY AND OPTIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S ALSO A CHANGE TO THE SHARED COMPONENT OF THAT.

SO CURRENTLY ALL USES HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL REQUIRED PARKING ON SITE OR OFF SITE WITHIN 400FT.

THIS NOW TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE USE OF IT.

SO IF YOU HAVE A BRUNCH BAR AND A RETAIL STORE THAT OPERATE FROM 9 TO 5, AND THEN A BAR THAT'S OPEN FROM FIVE TO MIDNIGHT, NOT ALL REQUIRED PARKING NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED, JUST THE PARKING IS REQUIRED DURING THE TIMES THAT THEY'RE OPEN.

SO THE PARKING THAT'S USED FOR THE BRUNCH BAR CAN NOW BE USED AT NIGHT FOR A NIGHTLY USE, AS OPPOSED TO REQUIRING ALL PARKING FOR ALL USES.

THERE'S NOW MULTI-MODAL PROVISIONS.

THIS IS AIMED AT ENHANCING ANY KIND OF FUTURE PROJECTS WE HAVE THAT ARE LAID OUT IN MOBILITY PLAN TO ENCOURAGE MULTIMODAL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.

THERE'S NOW REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING FOR BICYCLES, SCOOTERS, MOTORCYCLES AND OTHER MICROMOBILITY FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION WITH ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION.

MOBILITY HUBS ARE ALSO A NEW OPTION THAT DEVELOPERS CAN MAKE USE OF THAT REDUCE THEIR OVERALL PARKING REQUIREMENT.

BUT IT IS AN ENHANCED FORM OF MOBILITY BY PROVIDING ON SITE LOADING ZONES FOR RIDESHARE AND TRANSIT SERVICES IS ALSO BEING SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS.

ANOTHER PART OF THE UPDATE IS FOCUSED ON NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT FOUR SPECIFIC AREAS OF TOWN, AND IF THEY HAVE A COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL LOW COMMERCIAL MEDIUM FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, THEY ARE NOW EXEMPT FROM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR USES BESIDES LODGING AND RESIDENTIAL.

BUT WITH THAT REDUCTION AND ON SITE PARKING FOR AUTOMOBILES, THERE'S NOW INCREASED REQUIREMENTS FOR BICYCLE PARKING OR OTHER FORMS OF MOBILITY.

THESE FOUR SPECIFIC AREAS ARE IN WEST CITY, ALONG WEST KING STREET AND PELLISSIER AND PALMER STREETS.

EAST KING STREET, BETWEEN MALAGA AND CORDOVA.

THE SAN MARCO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD BE FROM WEST SAN CARLOS UP TO THE PEANUT, AND THEN THE NORTH LINCOLNVILLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY JUST WASHINGTON STREET, WHICH HAS COMMERCIAL LOWER MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USES BUT ARE UNABLE TO BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL USES BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN USED AS A COMMERCIAL AREA.

LASTLY, SOME MINOR CHANGES ARE SOME DESIGN STANDARD MODIFICATIONS WHICH ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY IN MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED FOR PARKING LOT CONSTRUCTION.

SO INSTEAD OF JUST BEING LIMITED TO ASPHALT OR GRAVEL, YOU CAN NOW PROPOSE ALTERNATIVE SURFACES.

AND AS LONG AS IT MEETS OUR OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF PARKING FACILITIES, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT.

IT MIGHT BE, APPROVABLE.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE'S BEEN SOME, MODIFICATIONS TO A PARKING SPACE STANDARDS.

SO THIS NEW PARKING SPACE SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR THINGS LIKE MOTORCYCLES AND MOPEDS AS WELL AS PUBLIC GARAGE FACILITIES, AND THEN WE'VE INCREASED THE PERCENTAGE OF COMPACT SPACES ALLOWED FROM 25% TO 50%, TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF THOSE BEING BUILT.

SO THAT'S A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO UPDATE AND WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE WORKED ON OVER THE LAST YEAR.

SO THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE WE'RE SCHEDULED.

STAFF IS SCHEDULED TO SPEAK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL'S FIRST QUARTERLY MEETING ON JANUARY 28TH.

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SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL, STAFF IS MORE THAN WILLING TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE.

ALRIGHT COMMISSIONERS, ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? WE'VE GOT A LOT COMING UP WITH THAT.

IT'S A GOOD OVERVIEW.

YES, MA'AM. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU JACOB.

THAT WAS A VERY NICE INTERACTIVE PREZI PRESENTATION.

THAT WAS REALLY CLEAR I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THERE'S ONE PARKING LOT THAT WENT IN AND WAS OPENED.

IT'S A SURFACE PARKING LOT.

IT'S JUST NORTH OF THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL.

I LOOK AT THAT AND THERE'S NO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, LIKE IT'S JUST A STANDARD, SURFACE PARKING LOT, AND I HAVE TO GO BY IT EVERY SINGLE DAY TO GO TO WORK AND COME HOME.

AND I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE UPDATE TO THE PARKING CODE THAT WOULD BE, A WAY OF, DISCOURAGING OR NOT EVEN ALLOWING THAT TYPE OF USE WITHIN, THE CITY CORE.

SO CURRENTLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PROPERTY LIKE THAT, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ECONOMICALLY TO DEVELOP A PARKING LOT IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE WHERE THERE'S A BELIEF THAT THERE'S LITTLE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN BY ALLOWING COMPACT INFILL DEVELOPMENT, BY REDUCING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THAT MIGHT BE A MORE ATTRACTIVE OPTION TO USE THE PROPERTY.

GREAT. OKAY. WELL, TO FOLLOW ON THAT, PERHAPS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE SIDELINED AS PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE PAVED, MAYBE THEY NEED TO BE REQUIRED TO HAVE UNDERGROUND STORAGE FOR WATER THAT FALLS ON THEIR PARKING LOT TO STORE IT, SO IT CAN THEN TRICKLE OUT INTO THE AQUIFER.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE THAT IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT CERTAINLY WOULD INCREASE THE PRICE OF DOING A PARKING LOT.

BUT I KNOW AT FLAGLER COLLEGE, WE HAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET MORE STORAGE.

AND IT'S DOABLE AND THERE'S GOOD SYSTEMS. NOW, I WOULD LIKE US TO INVESTIGATE THAT.

I MEAN, NOT THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE AREAS THAT CAN BE PAVED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OPEN AREAS WE STILL HAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGHT THIS FLOODING ISSUE.

YES, WE ARE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT OUR LANDSCAPING CODE AND ESPECIALLY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING AREAS, BECAUSE I KNOW OF THAT PARKING LOT, I HAD TO REVIEW IT AND APPROVE IT.

THERE'S A LOT TO BE DESIRED THERE AND FORMS IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE ON IT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING WILL BE LOOKING AT MODIFYING THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

JUST TO COMMENT, IN THAT PARTICULAR PARKING LOT THEY TORE A BUILDING DOWN TO BUILD IT.

YES. SO IT MAY BE PROFITABLE FOR SOMEBODY TO TEAR DOWN A BUILDING AND PUT A PARKING LOT IN IF WE DON'T MAKE IT MORE PROFITABLE.

BECAUSE I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JACOB, THAT IF IF I HAVE IF I WANT TO PUT IN A RESTAURANT AND I GOT TO HAVE 20 PARKING SPACES NOW, THAT WOULD BE REDUCED.

SO THEN I COULD STILL PUT A RESTAURANT THERE AND NOT TEAR IT DOWN AND PUT A PARKING LOT IN.

BY REDUCING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, YOU COULD EVEN HAVE A RESTAURANT WITH APARTMENTS ON TOP AS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? RIGHT. YEAH. MORE THAN A PARKING LOT.

OH THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. OR MAYBE A PHARMACY OR SOMETHING OF DAILY USE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. TO DEVELOP. YEAH.

THINGS THAT WE NEED DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE PARKING IN LIEU OF PAYMENT IN LIEU OF I REALLY THAT COMPONENT IS GOING TO BE SO IMPORTANT FOR US MOVING FORWARD.

AND THE SHARED PARKING PROVISION IS WAY OVERDUE.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO DO IT INFORMALLY, AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT FORMALIZED WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.

SO AND I'M HOPING THAT ITS TIME HAS COME.

BUT THANK YOU I, I AGREE I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE 1320 FEET DISTANCE.

TO SO YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT THE 400FT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.

400. YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH. SO, YEAH, THE FOUR, 400, 400FT, CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT YOU GOT THE 13 20FT, WHICH IS THE IS IT QUARTER MILE? THE QUARTER MILE.

HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? HOW MANY HOW FAR DOES THAT.

IT'S LIKE FIVE MINUTE WALK OR SOMETHING.

I BELIEVE THAT'S BETWEEN 5 AND 15, DEPENDING ON HOW FAST YOU WALK.

BUT OBVIOUSLY OKAY, THAT'S REGARDED AS BEING WALKABLE AS A WALKABLE DISTANCE.

RIGHT? OKAY. SO THAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN SHED IDEA.

YES. OKAY. GOTCHA.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESOLVE TONIGHT.

BUT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE SAME PROBLEM.

AND WHETHER IT'S, 400FT OR 13, 20, YOU HAVE A LEASE FOR PARKING OFF SITE.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT CHANGES?

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I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE THE CITY NOW HAS A ONLINE SOFTWARE KIND OF ASSET TRACKING SYSTEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN START TRACKING SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS AND FOLLOWING UP ON THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL INTACT AFTER THEY'VE COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY EXPLORING THAT BECAUSE OR WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION, NOT JUST EXPLORING, BUT YEAH, WE WANT TO SOLVE THAT.

WELL, GREAT. THAT'S THAT WOULD MAKE ME REALLY HAPPY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL SEE YOU IN FEBRUARY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO ALL RIGHT THE NEXT ITEM IS TEN E PETITION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AND PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.

[10.E. Petition for Voluntary Annexation and Pre-Annexation Agreement - for three parcels of land: Fish Island Marina and adjacent marsh pieces north of West Marina Cove Drive (PID1622010000, PID1622000000, PID1622050000). (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS A PRESENTATION TO DISCUSS A PETITION TO ANNEX AND AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES OF PROPERTY NORTH OF STATE ROAD 312 AND NORTH OF WEST MARINA COVE DRIVE.

THE EXISTING FISH ISLAND MARINA IS CURRENTLY NOT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

HOWEVER, THE DOCK FACILITY IN THE MATANZAS RIVER IS.

THERE ARE ALSO TWO PIECES OF MARSH PROPERTY NORTHEAST OF THIS PROPERTY AND SOUTH OF PELICAN REEF THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED WITH THIS PETITION.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS MULTIFAMILY, A CHANGE OF USE FOR THE AREA OF THE EXISTING MARINA SITE.

THE APPROVED PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE THE APPROVAL PROCESS.

EXCUSE ME, WOULD REQUIRE A REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM THE COUNTY DESIGNATION OF CONSERVATION TO A CITY LAND USE, AND TO CHANGE THE COUNTY ZONING DISTRICTS FROM COMMERCIAL, HIGHWAY, TOURIST AND OPEN RURAL TO CITY DESIGNATIONS.

THE PCB WOULD ALSO REVIEW ANY CONSERVATION ZONE RELATED ISSUES.

I HAVE A COUPLE MAPS, IF I MAY, MAYOR AND USE THE OVERHEAD JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THESE PROPERTIES ARE.

THIS MAP IS, IS OBVIOUSLY AT A AT A SCALE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE, THE EXISTING MARINA IS ON THIS PROPERTY AND THESE TWO PIECES ARE CURRENTLY MARSH.

MARSH. THEY ARE NOT DEVELOPABLE AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED.

SO THEY THIS PROPERTY COULD NOT BE ANNEXED WITHOUT THESE BECAUSE IT WOULD CREATE AN ENCLAVE.

SO THAT IS WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING ALL THREE PROPERTIES TO COME, TO COME INTO THE CITY.

HERE IS OUR MAP AT A AT A SCALE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE FISH ISLAND MARINA.

IT IS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS DEVELOPED.

IT'S AN OLDER MARINA, I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 1970S.

AND THESE ARE THE MARSH PROPERTIES.

THE CITY WOULD, AS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, RECOMMEND THAT THESE TWO PROPERTIES BE, HAVE OUR OPEN LAND LAND USE CATEGORY AND OUR OPEN LAND ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED BASICALLY THE DEVELOPABLE AREA, POTENTIALLY DEVELOPABLE AREA.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE EXISTING DOCK FACILITIES THAT DO DO GO OUT INTO THE MATANZAS RIVER AND, AND THAT FACILITY, THOSE DOCKS ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AT THE MOMENT.

SO THAT IS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU WHETHER TO APPROVE THE PETITION TO ANNEX AND THE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO JUST NOTE THAT, BEFORE WE GO ON, THAT THERE HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.

I THINK I GOT PROBABLY 30 EMAILS.

AND A NUMBER OF THEM SEEM TO THINK THAT THE TWO PARCELS ON THE NORTH WERE UP FOR DEVELOPMENT, THAT IT WAS BEING SUGGESTED THAT THOSE PARCELS WOULD BE.

SO WE GOT A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE MARGIN.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS YEAH, CONSERVE THE BIRDS AND EVERYTHING.

BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

THIS IS NOT PART OF DEVELOPMENT OF THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.

THOSE TWO PARCELS, THE CITY WOULD NOT CONSIDER THOSE PARCELS OUTLINED IN PURPLE DEVELOPABLE DEVELOPABLE.

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I CAN I CAN SHOW YOU THIS MAP.

THIS IS THE CURRENT, ZONING MAP FOR THE CITY.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY FOR THE MARINA OUTLINED IN RED.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE MARSH PROPERTIES.

SO THERE ARE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT ALSO NEED TO BE MET.

IF SOMEONE WERE IF THE CITY WERE TO ACCEPT A PETITION TO ANNEX, YOU CANNOT CREATE AN ENCLAVE.

AND SO IT WAS OUR OPINION THAT IF THIS WERE TO ANNEX THEN THESE WOULD BE THESE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY AN ENCLAVE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE REST OF THIS MARSH IS ALREADY IN THE CITY.

THIS IS THE SOUTHERN PART OF PELICAN REEF.

THIS IS THE ANTIGUA DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN THE CITY.

THESE PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY ZONED RG ONE.

THE OUR OUR MARSH PROPERTY, REALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS OPEN LAND.

THAT'S WHAT WE CONSIDER KIND OF THE BASICALLY IF IT'S IF IT'S WATER, ONE OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE JURISDICTIONAL LINE THAT IS OUR CONSERVATION ZONE AREA OR OUR CONSERVATION AREA, WE ZONE IT OPEN LAND ROUTINELY.

OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE, CONSIDERED THE AREA THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED.

IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST IN THE COUNTY, SO THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES THAT THE COUNTY COULD DO, WOULD, WOULD ALLOW POTENTIALLY ON THAT SITE.

OH. ALL RIGHT.

YOU GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE USES.

I AM I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THEIR ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT IT IS THE, THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS ALONG, A1A IT'S ALONG IT'S SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

IT'S IT IS A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

SO IT WOULD ALLOW OTHER COMMERCIAL USES, BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT TO KNOW SPECIFICS.

IT IS PRETTY HIGHLY INTENSE ZONING, AND IT WOULD INCLUDE THE COMMERCIAL MARINA, I'M ASSUMING.

I BELIEVE SO, YES.

THIS ORANGE IS THE, EXISTING, APARTMENTS PROJECT THAT IS IN THE CITY.

AND THEN THIS IS THE 312 CORRIDOR AS YOU COME IN, AS YOU COME OVER THE ISLAND.

SO BASICALLY THE REASON THOSE TWO PARCELS ON THE NORTH ARE BEING INCLUDED IS NOT FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, BUT TO PREVENT THE, ANNEXATION OF THE, THE, THE MARINA PIECE FROM, FROM THAT ANNEXATION OF THAT CREATING, AN ENCLAVE WHICH MEANS BASICALLY BOILS DOWN TO GETTING CUT OFF.

THAT'S CORRECT. FROM BY STATUTE, WE CAN'T REALLY WE CAN'T ANNEX PROPERTY THAT WOULD WE'RE NO LONGER BE CONTIGUOUS WITH ANY COUNTY PROPERTY. CORRECT. WHICH IS ILLEGAL.

CAN'T BE DONE. OKAY.

SO THAT'S THAT WAS JUST LIKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION THAT I WAS GETTING A LOT OF INPUT IN IT.

YES. I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE GOT THAT INFORMATION OUT.

DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST NO CLEARER INFORMATION.

SO WE WOULD PROPOSE AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT THE, PETITIONER IS REQUESTING TO DO.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S KIND OF ILLUSTRATED HERE.

WE WOULD PROPOSE SOME AND THIS WOULD BE ON THE UPLAND PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, SOME RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.

AND ANYTHING WATER WOULD OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE JURISDICTIONAL LINE WOULD BE OPEN LAND.

ALL RIGHT, WE CAN START.

COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.

OH, THE APPLICANT IS. DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR EITHER MISS SKINNER OR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER GARRETT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN? I'LL LET THEM START ON THAT SIDE.

OKAY. OKAY.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? OH, I'LL ALWAYS GO FIRST.

OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

AND THAT IS, IT IS THE INTENT OF THEM TO FILL IN THE LAGOON THAT WAS MAN MADE.

I THINK THAT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

HOW MUCH OF THAT I THINK I'M.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH I'VE HEARD CONVERSATION THAT IT'S MAY NOT BE THAT ENTIRE AREA.

BUT THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT MUCH BETTER.

CAN HE DO THAT? OR SHE.

HEY, GARY DAVENPORT, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE VARIOUS LANDOWNERS.

AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.

SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

YES, THERE IS.

THERE'S A PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE A LOCKDOWN PLAN YET.

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BUT WE WILL PROBABLY FILL IN AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE LAGOON.

SO FOR HISTORICAL, THAT LAGOON WAS COMPLETELY DUG OUT OF OF UPLANDS WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN THE 70S.

AND IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE AT ALL RECENTLY, IT IS IN VERY, VERY BAD CONDITION.

IT'S SILTING IN. THERE'S BOATS SITTING ON THE LAND.

IT'S IT'S NOT A FUNCTIONING, MARINA FOR THE MOST PART THERE.

SO THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER STATE PERMITTING LAWS TO, TO FILL THAT IN.

AS LONG AS IT'S DONE PROPERLY.

AND THEN THE LAND THAT'S THERE WITH, WITH WHAT I SEE IS A, THERE'S A FEW, A GOOD NUMBER OF TREES.

WOULD YOU HAVE TO ELEVATE THAT AS WELL? AGAIN, THAT'S A PLAN THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

THERE'S TO DO MULTIFAMILY.

YES. THEY WOULD BE HAVING TO FILL IN A LOT OF THE AREA AND IMPACTING TREES.

RIGHT. THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT THAT MY CLIENT IS CURRENTLY LOOKING AT TO DO, A LOWER DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY THERE AND PRESERVE A LOT OF THOSE TREES.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

IF I COULD ADD ONE THING TO AMY'S PRESENTATION.

EVEN THE PART THAT'S THE FISH ISLAND THAT SHE SAID THAT THAT WAS THE PART THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE CONSERVATION.

THAT'S EIGHT ACRES.

AND ONLY THREE AND A HALF OF THAT IS ACTUALLY UPLANDS.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO ONLY THREE AND A HALF OF THAT EIGHT.

AND IT'S 20 OVERALL.

SO IT'LL BE THREE AND A HALF ACRES OUT OF THE 20 ONLY UPLANDS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED.

CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT ON ONE OF THE AERIALS? YES. YEAH.

MAYBE WE NEED A DIFFERENT MAP FOR THAT MUCH BIGGER MAP.

YEAH, THIS IS PRETTY SMALL.

YEAH, THERE IS ONE IN THE BOOK.

THERE'S A CLOSE UP IN THE BOOK.

SO ESSENTIALLY WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT.

THIS IS THE EIGHT ACRES YOU SEE IN BLUE IN THE THREE AND A HALF IS JUST THIS BOTTOM INTERIOR PIECE OF IT.

INCLUDING THE LAGOON.

INCLUDING THE LAGOON? YES.

OKAY, I SEE THAT.

I GOT IT. THERE IT IS.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY HERE TONIGHT JUST FOR DISCUSSION OF ANNEXATION.

IF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN IT.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ZONING.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE COMP PLAN.

IT'S SEE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU, AS AMY SAID, FOR A DEEPER DIVE INTO WHAT THE COMP PLAN WOULD BE AND WHAT TO THE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO AGREE TO THE COMP PLAN OR THE ZONING TONIGHT, JUST TO WHETHER YOU'RE SEE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ANNEXATION OR NOT.

OKAY. I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR MYSELF AT THIS POINT, I'M REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN IT.

FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DEVELOPED AS MARINA, THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S A GREAT NEED FOR MARINAS AND, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

JUST TO PUT IT BLUNTLY TO YOU, TIM.

SURE. GO AHEAD.

NO, NO, NO. OKAY.

I IF MY MEMORY SERVES WHEN WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR ANNEXATION, WE HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY INTENDED.

YEAH. AND I DON'T SEE THAT KIND OF DETAIL.

I JUST SEE SOME PARCELS.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE PACKAGE THAT TALKED ABOUT FILLING OR THREE ACRES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.

THIS JUST FOR THOSE REASONS ALONE, BUT I SPEND ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT OF TIME ON THE WATER IN THE MOUTH OF THAT CREEK, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR.

YEAH. WHAT TIDE IS, WHAT THE TIDE IS AND HOW FAR WE CAN GO.

AND IT IT CERTAINLY I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISPUTE THE HISTORY OF HOW THAT MARINA BASIN GOT THERE.

BUT IT IS, WHETHER SILTED OR NOT, PROVIDING WILDLIFE HABITAT AND, FILLING IT WOULD REDUCE THE, THE, THE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES OF RESILIENCE AND FLOOD CONTROL THAT IT'S CURRENTLY SERVING, EVEN IF IT'S IMPAIRED TO SOME DEGREE.

IT IS SERVING THOSE PURPOSES NOW.

SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL FOR ANNEXATION FOR ALL THOSE REASONS.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD, ARE YOU FINISHED? YOU. WELL, YEAH, I'M, I AGREE, I THINK.

ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I THINK THAT, EVEN THE EVEN THE EMAILS WE GOT, THEY WERE CONFUSED OVER THE THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.

I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO GET A BETTER.

YEAH, A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WE'VE GONE FROM.

CONDOS TO SINGLE FAMILY.

AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING.

AND, I WOULD MUCH RATHER THE PERSON DONATE THE LAND TO THE CITY FOR US TO HAVE IT AS CONSERVATION.

AND WE WOULD WELCOME THAT.

WELL, AS IT IS NOW, SO.

OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT THE MARINA ISSUE, BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT EVENTUALLY.

BUT I'M AT THIS POINT I CAN'T GET OVER THE WHOLE IDEA OF LIKE, I'D LIKE TO STAY, SEE IT, STAY AS A MARINA.

AND I FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE FOR IT TO BE A VIABLE MARINA, IT WOULD INCLUDE DREDGING THE AREAS THAT ARE THERE.

YEAH, I DON'T DISPUTE THAT.

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IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT FUNCTION.

I JUST, I THINK I'VE BEEN AROUND TOO LONG, AND I REMEMBER I WAS JUST, HAVING CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT THIS, AND I, REMEMBER WHEN THIS ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH WAS REZONED.

IT WAS, IT MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE 2000S AROUND THE 2000.

AND I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

THERE WAS ONLY ONE CITIZEN THAT CAME AND OPPOSED IT AT THE TIME.

AND, IT WAS JUST INTERESTING THAT IT, IT GOT HUNG UP IN THE STATE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT ON. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? FOR A VERY LONG TIME BECAUSE OF, INCREASED, TRAFFIC ON.

NOW TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. YEAH, WE HAD INCREASED TRAFFIC ON A LIMITED ACCESS ROAD.

YEP. WE HAD TO ENTER INTO A STIPULATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THOMPSON'S AT THE TIME, TO APPORTION DENSITY FOR THE ENTIRE NORTHERN PART OF, WHAT WE CALL ANTIGUA NOW.

THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY, THAT WAS ANTIGUA THEN.

NOT EVEN EAST LA ISLA WAS ANOTHER ONE WHICH THEY GIVE HIM, I THINK 50FT HEIGHT LIMIT ON THAT.

SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER PROJECT.

BUT ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO IT IS A LIMITED ACCESS ROAD AND ADDING MORE RESIDENTS ON THERE MIGHT BE QUITE CHALLENGING SO THAT ANYWAY, THAT'S I PROBABLY COME UP WITH A LOT OF REASONS, BUT JUST FOR ME, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I FALL RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT.

YEAH. I WOULD ASK WHY YOU WANT TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY AND NOT DO IT THROUGH THE COUNTY.

IT CAN STILL BE A MARINA WITHIN THE COUNTY.

IT COULD BE A VERY INTENSE MARINA.

IT COULD BE WHAT IT IS NOW.

BUT WITHIN THE COUNTY DESIGNATIONS, IT CAN'T BE RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY, SO I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE.

I CONCUR THAT GENERALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN ANNEXATION, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE.

YOU'RE WORKING ON PLANS, SO MAYBE THIS IS PREMATURE.

MAYBE YOU NEED TO BRING US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALIZED THERE'S SOME CONCERN TODAY.

MY CLIENTS WANTED TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

AND SO IF IT'S A MARINA VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR CUT.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN PART OF THE MARINA FOR THAT, FOR THE, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE A SMALLER THAT NEED TO BE AS BIG.

THEY'LL HAVE A SMALLER MARINA FOR THEM.

BUT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO POSTPONE THIS APPLICATION TO COME BACK WITH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF A REZONING OR A PUD OR WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY.

BUT FOR A, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE WHAT'S NEXT DOOR, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, LIKE IT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH SMALLER SCALE, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS DUPLEXES AND THERE WAS A DUPLEX PLAN.

THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY PLAN.

THAT'S THE MOST INTENSE THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.

HOW HOW MANY UNITS? DUPLEX PLAN WAS 24.

SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE ABOUT HALF OF THAT.

OKAY, SO MEANING 24 UNITS.

SO 12 BUILDINGS? YES, MA'AM. THE DUPLEX.

OKAY. THAT'S WE WOULD BE GLAD TO POSTPONE AND COME BACK WITH PLANS.

IF RESIDENTIAL IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION IS WILLING TO CONSIDER.

MY. I HATE TO SEND YOU DOWN THAT ROAD IF IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT THINKING.

I MEAN, WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES TO MITIGATE FLOODING AND ALL OF THAT.

SO ADDING AND TAKING DOWN HABITAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF GOING AGAINST THE DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO GO.

SO IT'S A HARD SELL FOR ME.

AND WE'VE CERTAINLY GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK TONIGHT FROM VARIOUS SPEAKERS AT OUR THREE MINUTE.

SO I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO FEELING WHAT WE'RE FEELING.

SO. WELL, YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY, BECAUSE I KIND OF LOOKED AT WHO WAS SENDING THE EMAILS AND THEY'RE NOT CITY RESIDENTS.

A LOT OF THEM, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT THEY'RE NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE DIDN'T REALLY HEAR.

WE HEARD I THINK I GOT ONE EMAIL FROM ACTUALLY SOMEONE IN ANTIGUA, WHICH IS INTERESTING, AND IT MAKES ME WONDER IF THEY KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS.

BUT THAT ASIDE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU WANT TO SEND?

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IS THIS YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THEM, TO THE APPLICANT, TO KIND OF RUN HIM AROUND IF WE'RE IF WE'RE JUST NOT REALLY THAT INTERESTED AND RESIDENTIAL AND OR INTENSIFICATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR THAT I THINK WE SHOULD, BE VERY CLEAR WITH WHAT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

BUT IF I'D LIKE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND JUST SAY THAT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DEFEND THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OR NOT.

BECAUSE THERE WASN'T THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ASSESS IN OUR, IN OUR AGENDA PACKET.

SO, THE ANY MISINFORMATION WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LACK OF INFORMATION, I THINK.

AND THEN SECONDLY, NO, I'M NOT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SERVES THE CITY'S BEST INTERESTS OR OUR CITIZENS TO HAVE A MORE INTENSIVE USE ON THAT ON THAT SITE.

AND THAT'S VERY CLEAR. CITY PERSONALLY, THAT'S MY CLEAR ENOUGH.

OKAY. AND I AGREE, I THINK I THINK THEY COULD GO TO THE COUNTY AND THEY COULD PROBABLY GET A ZONING.

THEY COULD PROBABLY PUT UP THESE BUILDINGS.

BUT I PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT MY FINGERPRINTS ON IT.

I LOOK AT THOSE BUILDINGS WHEN I GO ACROSS 312, AND I WANT TO KNOW WHO'S ON THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE TIME.

YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE WHO DID THAT TO US, YOU KNOW? DO YOU HAVE A LITTLE TIME? WE CAN GO OVER IT.

YEAH. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M SITTING RIGHT NOW IS I DO NOT WANT TO DEVELOP THAT AS A RESIDENTIAL POCKET.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.

I MEAN, I WANTED TO LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO THESE FOLKS TO BE MISLED BY SAYING, OH, WE'LL BRING US UP A MORE SPECIFIC PLAN OR WHATEVER.

AND THAT'S JUST NOT REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

THAT'S NOT WHAT. AND AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, COMMISSIONER HARRIS? I AGREE. I WE HAVE BEEN WORKING REAL HARD ON PROTECTING AREAS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE WHOLE LAND THING, LIKE FLORIDA AVENUE AND DIFFERENT OTHER PURCHASES.

AND THIS IS JUST BASICALLY GOING AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BUILT UP, PRESERVING WILDLIFE, LAND AND SO FORTH.

SO, IF THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE AVENUE OF THE COUNTY AND GET WHATEVER THEY WANT, THEN I THINK THAT'S THE AVENUE THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE AS A CITY SHOULD ANNEX IN THIS PROPERTY, AND IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING AGAINST WHAT WE'RE STANDING FOR CURRENTLY.

VERY WELL SAID.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER.

WE HAVE A CONSENSUS.

WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE BE ABLE TO, JUST CONSIDER WHAT THOSE ARE SO WE WILL WORK.

CAN WE WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO WITHDRAW OR.

IN CASE MY CLIENT CHANGES HIS MIND ON SOMETHING HE WANTS.

HEARING WHAT YOU ALL HAVE SAID, YOU CAN.

I MEAN, THE COMMISSION CAN, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WISH TO DO, TO JUST CONTINUE THE ITEM AND GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE TO WITHDRAW VOLUNTARILY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING? YES, IT IS. OKAY.

AND YES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? FINAL QUESTIONS. DEBATE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON I'M SORRY OKAY.

INDEFINITELY POSTPONING IT.

YEAH. IT'S BASICALLY AN EXTENSION HE IT WOULD GIVE.

IT'S REALLY DESIGNED TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, WITHDRAW VOLUNTARILY.

GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO IT'S LIKE WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DEBATE? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

NANCY SIKES-KLINE.

YES. JIM SPRINGFIELD.

YES. CYNTHIA HARRIS.

YES. BARBARA BLONDER.

YES. ROXANNE HORVATH.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

AND, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ANY, FALSE IMPRESSION ABOUT THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED ON THIS.

CERTAINLY, COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME TO PROVIDE INPUT.

THEY CERTAINLY HAVE PROVIDED INPUT.

AND IN FACT, I REMEMBER, I THINK THE LAST ANNEXATION AGREEMENT REQUEST THAT WE HAD, MOST OF THE INPUT CAME FROM COUNTY RESIDENTS, AND WE DID LISTEN TO THEM IN THAT CASE.

SO, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T NECESSARILY REPRESENT THEM, THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS AND AND WE CARE.

SO BUT WHO SAID IT BEST WAS WHOEVER AT THIS TABLE SAID AND I THINK COMMISSIONER GARRIS RESTATED IT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST NOT THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO IN. THIS IS WE'RE DOING.

WE HAVE OTHER THINGS IN MIND.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO ITEMS BY CITY ATTORNEY.

YES. VERY BRIEFLY I MENTIONED I FORWARDED TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY THE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM A LAW FIRM THAT IS SEEKING TO REPRESENT VARIOUS, INDIVIDUAL CITY COMMISSIONERS AND OR CITY ENTITIES IN LITIGATION

[03:00:02]

SO AS OF JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, YOU'LL HAVE TO FILE THIS MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM.

I'M AWARE THAT A NUMBER OF, CITY COMMISSIONERS FROM VARIOUS OF OUR SISTER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE HAVE RESIGNED BECAUSE THEY, WANTED TO PROTEST THE THIS NEW REQUIREMENT, THIS NEW STATE STATUTE REQUIREMENT TO FILE THESE MORE EXTENSIVE, FORM SIX.

SO THIS LAW FIRM, SENT ME AN EMAIL ASKING IF ANY OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, AS CITY COMMISSIONERS, WISH TO JOIN THIS, LAWSUIT OR WHETHER YOU WANTED TO VOTE FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO BE A PARTY IN THIS LAWSUIT.

THE OPTIONS ARE, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED.

THEY HAD FLAT FEED IT AT $10,000 FOR THE ENTITY PLUS ANY NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS.

AND IF THE ENTITY DOES NOT WANT TO JOIN AS AN ENTITY IN THE LOS, IN THE LAWSUIT, IF SIMPLY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO BE A PARTY, THEY WERE LOOKING AT A $2,000, FLAT FEE, THAT COULD EITHER BE APPROVED, THROUGH CITY COFFERS OR INDIVIDUALLY PERSONALLY BY THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS.

SO YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT HOW YOU FELT PROS AND CONS OF, JOINING THIS, LAWSUIT? IT IS THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO FILE.

AND STATE LEGISLATORS, OF COURSE, YOU AREN'T PAID WHAT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE PAID OR STATE LEGISLATORS ARE PAID.

SO THOSE ARE CONTEMPLATED AS FULL TIME JOBS.

AND REALLY, I'M HERE TO HEAR YOUR INPUT AND WHERE YOU'D LIKE US TO GO.

OR WE CAN DELAY AND DISCUSS THIS AGAIN AT THE NEXT MEETING OR IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU.

I KNOW THAT YOU SENT OUT SOME INFORMATION TO ALL OF US ON THE RULES AND EVERYTHING.

I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK AT IT YET, BUT, I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW BAD IT'S GOING TO BE.

IS IT? WELL, WE HAVE TO SAY OUR NET WORTH AND WHERE OUR MONEY IS, AND IT'S FOR ME AND MY HUSBAND.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD DID A WEBINAR THAT I DID, AND HE MAY HAVE GREAT INSIGHT, RIGHT.

I DID THE WEBINAR, AND ALSO I WENT TO THE VIDEO ON THE CODE OF ETHICS, WEBSITE, AND THEY HAVE A GREAT VIDEO THAT FOLLOWS YOU RIGHT THROUGH IT.

AND I'VE ALREADY COMPLETED MINE.

SO, AND YES, YOU DO HAVE TO PUT YOUR NET WORTH, BUT IT'S YOUR NET WORTH, NOT YOURS.

YOURS AND YOUR SPOUSE'S.

OKAY. AND THERE'S WAYS TO DIVIDE UP THAT WORTH.

IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT PATTY HAS A CAR THAT'S IN HER NAME, SO THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE FORM.

BUT YOUR CAR DOESN'T SHOW UP.

YOUR CAR SHOWS UP IN YOUR GENERAL PROPERTY, PERSONAL AND, YEAH, HOUSEHOLD.

ANYTHING OVER $1,000 IN VALUE, THOUGH, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO A COUCH WOULD SHOW UP ON THAT IF, IF YOU IF ITS CURRENT VALUE IS 1000, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP.

IT JUST, IT'S IN A, IT'S IN A AGGREGATED DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO FOR INSTANCE I PUT IN $95,000 AND THAT INCLUDED THE CAR I DRIVE AND THE COUCH AND MY GUITARS AND THOSE THINGS THAT I HAVE IN MY HOUSE.

SO THEY'RE NOT LISTED.

GUITAR. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT LISTED. YOUR I THINK YOU ONLY HAVE TO LIST IF IT'S WORTH MORE THAN A THOUSAND, THEN YOU DON'T.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIST THE INDIVIDUAL ITEM IF IT IS AGGREGATE, IF IT'S CONSIDERED PART OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD GOODS LIKE YOUR CAR.

THIS SPECIFICALLY SAYS AUTOMOBILES.

AND SO THEN IT JUST SO HAPPENS I GOT A LETTER FROM MY FINANCIAL ADVISER OF THE $2 THAT I DO HAVE INVESTED THAT HE SHOWED ME.

HE SHOWED ME AT THE END OF THE YEAR, DECEMBER 31ST, WHERE IT WAS AND WHAT THE VALUE WAS.

IT WAS VERY EASY FOR ME JUST TO COPY THAT AND PUT IT IN THE FORM.

IT TOOK ME ABOUT 20 MINUTES.

WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW? BUT, NOW THE WORLD KNOWS, I CAN I CAN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF A LAWSUIT.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD EVER WIN ONE.

IT WOULD MAKE A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

BUT I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO TO NOT WAIT TILL JULY 2ND TO FILL IT OUT BECAUSE OF THE FINES.

BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSION DOING A LAWSUIT JUST TO SEE.

IT'S KIND OF ANOTHER.

STEP INTO GOVERNMENT INTRUSION.

THE LEGISLATURE HAS TAKEN AWAY SOME OF THE PUBLIC RECORD RIGHTS OF OUR GOVERNOR AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CABINET, A CONTRARY TO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO

[03:05:02]

NO. YES.

OVER 100.

THEY MAY HAVE THINGS THEY DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT THEY OWN, THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A CITY COMMISSIONER, BUT THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO KNOW. RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY I'D IMAGINE THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT IT'S IRREGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE JOIN THE LAWSUIT OR NOT, WHETHER WE DECIDE TO DO IT, WE'RE STILL FILLING OUT THE FORMS. RIGHT? THAT DOESN'T ABSOLVE US OF THE RESPONSIBILITY.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT WHETHER WE OBJECT TO THIS, WHICH FRANKLY, IN MY OPINION, IT FEELS MORE LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, PUNITIVE PUSH TOWARDS CITY, SMALL CITIES.

SO ANYWAY, YEAH, AND I THINK IT'S A WAY I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE SACRIFICE TO DO THIS SERVICE.

AND IN TERMS OF OUR OWN TIME AND MY HUSBAND AND I ARE EDUCATORS.

HE'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHER.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE THE INTENT THAT AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, A FORM ONE WAS TO TO TO HIGHLIGHT ANY POTENTIAL AREAS OF, OF, OF CONFLICT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHERE WE MIGHT, I MIGHT MAKE A DECISION BASED ON, WHICH BANK I BANK AT.

OKAY. SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ALL TRANSPARENT.

BUT THE, THE I'M GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT WHEN I ENCOURAGE SOMEBODY TO TRY TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

SO I THINK WOULD BE GREAT AT WHATEVER LEVEL.

THIS IS A WAY OF REALLY PUTTING IT ICE BATH RIGHT ON TOP OF THEM.

RIGHT. AND, AND I THINK WE NEED MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED, NOT FEWER PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THIS IS A I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT HAND SIDE.

THIS IS A WAY OF OF DISCOURAGING PARTICIPATION.

NOW, YOU DIDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU SAID IT BETTER THAN I DID.

SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE OF THE OF US AS AN ENTITY, AS A CITY PARTICIPATING IN THIS LAWSUIT.

FOR THOSE REASONS, I AGREE.

I AGREE ON THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE EITHER.

IT'S JUST A PAIN IN THE NECK HAVING TO FILL IT OUT.

AND AS YOU SAY, HOW MUCH DO WE GIVE ON THIS JOB FOR HOW MUCH MONEY? WHICH IS BABYSITTING MONEY, BASICALLY, IT'S NOT MUCH.

WELL, THEY CAN HEAR ABOUT THE $2 I GOT IN THE BANK.

I HAD TO BRING SOME HUMOR TO THIS.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S, INTRUSION.

I, I HAD TO DO THAT FOR HIM ONE TIME BEFORE BECAUSE I HAD RAN FOR CLERK OF COURTS BEFORE.

AND IT'S A PAIN TRYING TO MICROMANAGE EVERY SINGLE THING.

THAT YOU OWN.

I MEAN, IF YOU BOUGHT YOUR TVS, WHEN DID YOU BUY THEM? YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE MORE OF A HEADACHE THAN ANYTHING, BUT, IF MY IF Y'ALL WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE LAWSUIT, I'M IN FAVOR.

I MEAN, I AT SOME POINT, YOU GOT TO MAKE A STAND AT WHAT YOU DON'T THINK IS CORRECT.

YEAH. SO THAT'S RIGHT.

IF YOU DON'T STAND FOR ANY, IF YOU DON'T STAND FOR SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO FALL FOR ANYTHING.

SO. OR EVERYTHING.

SO I THINK, LIKE I SAID, WHERE I FALL ON THIS IS I AGREE, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT'S COMING ACROSS, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEND A MESSAGE ABOUT IT, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T ABSOLVE US FROM IT DOESN'T GET US OUT.

WE'RE STILL FILLING FORM SIX OUT.

WE'RE STILL BEING TRANSPARENT OURSELVES.

AND I WILL DO WHAT IS REQUIRED OF ME OF THE LAW, AND WE WILL DO WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THE LAW.

BUT THE WAY THIS IS BEEN HANDLED IS I THINK IT NEEDS PUSH BACK.

SO. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO JOIN.

YOU WANT A MOTION FROM US TO JOIN THE SUIT? YES. IF YOU'D LIKE.

AS AN ENTITY. CORRECT.

AM I HEARING CORRECTLY THAT NONE OF YOU WANT TO BE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED AS PLAINTIFFS? BUT YOU'D LIKE THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO PARTICIPATE? IN FACT, I COULD NOT AFFORD THE $2,000 PERSONALLY.

WHICH WHICH IS FINE, AND I WILL FOLLOW UP AFTER YOUR MOTION.

I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THIS LAW FIRM AND CONFIRM THAT THEY DON'T NEED A FORMAL RESOLUTION.

IF THEY DO, IT'LL BE ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA.

SO I'LL WAIT FOR YOUR MOTION.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.

GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION JUST IN CASE THEY DON'T REALLY NEED ONE IN THEIR PACKET.

THEY HAD ONE.

ALL RIGHT I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE JOIN THE LAWSUIT ABOUT THE FORM SIX.

IN A NEGATIVE WAY THAT WE DO NOT THINK THAT WE THINK IT'S AN INTRUSION ON OUR OUR PERSONAL LIFE TO BE IN PUBLIC SERVICE BEYOND.

YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BEYOND WHAT I SECOND.

[03:10:03]

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ITEMS, MADAM? CITY CLERK, CITY ATTORNEY? NO. NO. ALL GOOD.

THANK YOU. ITEMS BY CITY CLERK.

[12.A. Notification of one vacancy and two term expirations on the Code Enforcement, Adjustment and Appeals Board. (D. Galambos, City Clerk)]

MY ITEM TONIGHT IS A NOTIFICATION OF A, RECEIVED A RESIGNATION, FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT, ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS BOARD MEMBER IRVIN RUBIN.

AND SO THUS, MAKES THREE VACANCIES WE HAVE ON CODE ENFORCEMENT.

WE'VE BEEN ADVERTISING, FOR APPLICATIONS SINCE THE END OF OCTOBER AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS AS OF YET.

SO WE WILL STAY THE COURSE.

WELL, UNLESS I THINK WE HAD SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO OPEN A DIALOG ABOUT TRANSITIONING FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD INTO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE PROCESS.

[13. ITEMS BY CITY MANAGER]

IN FACT, WE HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE UNDER A CONTINUING SERVICES CONTRACT.

THEY WOULD PERFORM THE SAME DUTIES.

THEY WOULD JUST NOT BE A VOLUNTEER CITIZEN BOARD HEARING NOTICES OF VIOLATION FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION.

IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THIS, SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD NOT BE A FULL TIME CITY EMPLOYEE.

IT WOULD BE A A LAW FIRM UNDER CONTRACT WITH US.

IT WOULD BE A RETIRED JUDGE OR AN ATTORNEY.

FLORIDA BAR CERTIFIED ATTORNEY.

IT WOULD PROVIDE A CONSISTENT, ADJUDICATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES.

IT WOULD TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF OUR NOW VOLUNTEER CITIZENS TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS IN SOME CASES.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE JUST HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME FILLING THIS BOARD.

IT IS NOT AN EASY BOARD TO SIT ON BY ITS NATURE.

IT'S A PUNITIVE BOARD.

YOU'RE YOU'RE DECIDING WHAT KIND OF PUNISHMENT YOU'RE GOING TO LEVEL AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBORS.

YES, MA'AM. AND IF I MAY ADD, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR RETALIATION FROM THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAS BEEN COMPLAINED AND WHO HAS BEEN GIVEN THE PUNISHMENT EFFECTIVELY.

AND WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN THE CITY WHO ARE THREATENING THEIR NEIGHBORS AGAINST REPORTING THEM.

WE DO? YES.

YES. I'M SORRY.

WERE YOU FINISHED? YES, MA'AM. I'M FINISHED. WE'RE OKAY.

I DID ANOTHER WEBINAR THANKS TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

YES. I AM BORED AT HOME.

NO. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY, SO I CAN'T GO DO ANYTHING.

NO. REALLY? SERIOUSLY.

I DID A GREAT WEBINAR ON THIS TOPIC, AND THE JACKSONVILLE ATLANTIC BEACH, CODE ENFORCEMENT DIRECTOR WAS ON IT.

AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE STATEWIDE CODE ENFORCEMENT, ASSOCIATION, AND THEY ALL MOST OF THE COUNTIES AND CITIES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA USE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

AND WHAT THEY FOUND IS THEY GET MUCH BETTER RESPONSE, LARGER FINES.

IT'S PAID PAID QUICKER BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A FORMAL PROCESS OF A JUDGE OR A ATTORNEY.

SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE THAT DIRECTION.

WELL, I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE OF US THAT EVER SERVED ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

IN 1991, AND IT WASN'T ONE IT WAS, VERY, STRESSFUL.

AND AND THAT WAS AT A TIME THAT WE WEREN'T AS DIVIDED AS WE ARE TODAY.

SO I CAN IMAGINE WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING PEOPLE TO TAKE ON THAT.

SO I WOULD CERTAINLY BE IN FAVOR OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

YEAH. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO ENFORCE THESE RULES, AND THE RETALIATION IS REAL.

YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS A BUSYBODY NEIGHBOR, SO THEY'LL KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM IF SOMEBODY'S GOT IT REPORTED.

SO. OKAY, GREAT.

I LIKE YOU AT ONE TIME SERVED AS VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AT THE BEACH.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE PAIN THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT.

IT'S TOUGH. BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, REMOVE, REMOVE THE CITIZEN BOARD.

AND WHEN THE ORDER IS MADE BY THE DEPARTMENT, IT GOES IT JUST GOES REALLY STRAIGHT TO COURT, BASICALLY.

SO IT WOULD STILL COME HERE.

THERE'S A LOCAL HEARING PROCESS BEFORE IT WOULD COME TO THE COMMISSION.

NO, IT WOULD COME TO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, BUT IT WOULD IT WOULD OCCUR LOCALLY IN THIS ROOM, JUST LIKE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

OKAY. THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE PUBLICLY PUBLIC MEETING, PUBLICLY ADVERTISED, PUBLICLY ADVERTISED, SAME PROCESS, BUT JUST NOT A BOARD.

CORRECT. AND IT APPEALS DIRECTLY TO CIRCUIT COURT, JUST LIKE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD DOES NOW.

[03:15:01]

SO NOT STRAIGHT TO OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S MAKE LET'S MAKE THIS FORMALIZE THIS, WHO WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE I MOVE THAT WE ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT PROCESS TO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN LIEU OF A CITIZEN COMMITTEE. I'LL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WE'LL LIMP ALONG WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD THAT WE HAVE.

AND MAYBE I GUESS THAT SORT OF LEAVES US IN A YES.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING YOU BACK SOME MORE DETAILS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION.

AS YOU KNOW, THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IS ALSO OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS.

SO, THIS WON'T HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY.

OKAY. AND WE'LL CONTINUE THE DIALOG WITH YOU.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WELL, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT STILL WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD BE A PART OF THAT MAJESTY, OR, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF ALL OF THAT.

NO, BUT WE DO.

SO THE BOARD OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IS ACTUALLY TWO BOARDS COMBINED INTO ONE.

THERE'S ALSO WHAT'S CALLED THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS, WHICH IS A BOARD THAT LOOKS AT A CITY, I'M SORRY, BUILDING CODE VARIANCES.

SO THOSE FOLKS THAT NOW SIT ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD MAY BE ELIGIBLE TO JUST TRANSITION INTO THAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEIR SERVICE WASN'T APPRECIATED.

OH, NO. NO, THEIR SERVICE IS VERY GREATLY APPRECIATED.

AND WE WILL MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT OKAY.

WE ARE ON TO ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS]

OH, WE ARE IN NAMING.

WE ARE DOING THE ALLEY FOR, KELLY'S ALLEY THIS THURSDAY AT 1:00, 130, 130.

SORRY, AT 130.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME OUT, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, SHE.

THE MOM IS SO EXCITED THAT HER AND HER FAMILY HAVE WENT OVER THERE TO CLEAN THE ALLEY TO GET IT ALL READY.

SHE WANTS TO HAVE SOME LITTLE HORS D'OEUVRES OR SOMETHING AT HER HOUSE.

SHE'S JUST OVER THE MOON.

SO I JUST WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR MAKING HER DREAM COME TRUE.

THAT SHE HAS A PLACE THAT SHE CAN GO IN MEMORY OF HER DAUGHTER AND JUST BE AT PEACE.

AND WE ALSO NOW HAVE A NAME ON THE ALLEY.

SO WHEN THE FIRE OR ANYBODY ELSE HAS TO GO OUT THERE, THEY HAVE A SENSE OF DIRECTION ON WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

SO, THOSE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT MAKE IT, REWARDING TO BE ON THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU CAN MAKE SOMEBODY SMILE AND APPRECIATE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS.

SO THANK YOU. OKAY.

WELL, ANOTHER GOOD PIECE OF NEWS IS WE HAVE MADE REALLY GOOD PROGRESS ON OUR ART COMMITTEE, AND, WE, ARE READY TO PUT OUR RFQ OUT.

FEBRUARY 1ST.

AND, I WANTED TO THANK, DAVID BAGNELL.

HE WAS ONE OF OUR MEMBERS.

HE'S, FOR HIS SERVICE, I'LL BE SENDING A LETTER OUT TO HIM.

HE'S RESIGNED.

BUT WE HAVE, RANDALL ROURKE, WHO USED TO BE ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND HE HAS GREAT BACKGROUND IN ART THROUGH ATLANTA, AND HE'S BEEN A HE'S BEEN AT EVERY MEETING, BASICALLY, AND REALLY, BEEN A BIG HELP ON THIS, AS ISABELLE HAS BEEN, SHE DID A GREAT JOB IN PUTTING ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON THIS RFQ, AND I AM VERY EXCITED. SO THAT'S OUR GOOD NEWS.

OH, AND YOU DID WANT TO ASK THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE INTERPRETIVE PANEL BUDGET.

OH YEAH. OH, SECOND THING.

YES. WELL, FIRST I'D LIKE TO ASK WHETHER, WE COULD GET APPROVAL TO ADD, MR. ROURKE ONTO OUR FIVE PERSON PANEL SINCE NOW WE'VE LOST ONE.

SO THAT.

AND THEN WE COULD GO INTO, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON, THE FACT THAT THE ART PIECE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT MAIN STREET.

NO PEDESTRIANS CAN GET UP TO IT AND TOUCH IT.

SO WE HAVE LOCATED CLOSE TO THE, CULTURAL CENTER BUILDING, THE WATERWORKS BUILDING, A, AN IDEA FOR A INTERPRETIVE PANEL THAT COULD BE BOTH IN BRAILLE.

AND BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF DAB PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE, BUT, LOTS OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING TO THE WATERWORKS BUILDING, BUT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF VISUAL SHOT OF THE ART PIECE, AND THEN THIS, PLAQUE THAT WOULD BE, INTERPRETING.

[03:20:02]

THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN OUR BUDGET AT THIS POINT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE IT COULD BE THAT EXPENSIVE.

BUT, I MEAN, IT'S WE'VE DONE OTHER PLAQUES AROUND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGETS HAVE BEEN SAY FOR THE PLAQUE.

WE DID, NEAR THE BIC RECENTLY FOR THE, BARRETT, OR THE, THE ISAAC BARRETT MEMORIAL.

YEAH. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT? THAT. WELL, WE WE DID, INSTALL THE INTERPRETIVE PLAQUE AND THE THE BRONZE PLAQUE ITSELF WAS WAS NOT TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE.

I WANT TO SAY IT WAS, UNDER $1,500, BUT THE CITY STAFF DID THE PILLAR THAT WAS ON IT.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IT WOULD BE TO EXPAND UPON IT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING I MEAN, YOU HAVE A BUDGET OF, WHAT, $75,000 PLUS 250,000? CAN'T YOU GET IT OUT OF THAT? NO YOU CAN'T.

NO, $1,500.

WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN 15.

I'LL PROBABLY BE AT LEAST 3000.

3000. BUT WE HAVE TRAVEL EXPENSES FOR THESE PEOPLE.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF THINGS THAT AND THEN JUST NIBBLES AWAY AT THIS.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S $250,000 BUDGET FOR THE ART.

AND THAT'S NOT UNREALISTIC.

I CAN GET SOME COST ESTIMATES IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

LET'S DO THAT. AT THIS POINT, REALLY ALL I NEED IS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE RFQ OUT FOR FEBRUARY 1ST.

I NEEDED A SENSE OF WHETHER I SHOULD IDENTIFY THE INTERPRETIVE PANEL AS SOMETHING THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE AS A SECONDARY PART OF THIS PROJECT, BUT NOT PART OF THE 250.

THAT'S REALLY ALL I NEED IS CLARITY TODAY, TONIGHT, IF THERE'S GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WHEN I WRITE THE RFQ, I'M CLEAR THAT IT'S $250,000 TO DESIGN AND BUILD THE MAIN, STRUCTURAL ELEMENT, THE ARTISTIC ELEMENT, BUT THAT THERE MAY BE A SEPARATE, PROJECT FOR AN INTERPRETIVE PANEL, IF THAT'S CLEAR.

OKAY. CLARIFICATION IS FINE.

AND THEN THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH THIS PANEL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A HUGE.

OKAY. NO, BUT WHEN WE PUT THAT IN THERE AS WELL, WE MIGHT WANT TO SAY THE ARTIST WOULD, BE REQUIRED TO CONSULT.

CORRECT? CORRECT. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE IT IF THERE WAS NO DESIRE TO GO THERE.

NOW, WHAT DO YOU NEED A MOTION THAT I.

I'VE GOT CONSENSUS ON THAT, DO I? I'M SEEING NODS ALL AROUND.

OKAY. AND THEN WE DO NEED TO, HAVE YOU APPROVE, MR. ROURKE AS THE NEW FIFTH MEMBER? YES. YES.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

OKAY. YEAH.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OKAY.

WELL DONE. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, SO HERE WE, COMMISSIONER BLONDER, I, I'M ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO, GOING BACK TO MY COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING DURING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND THEN RESPONDING TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO, STOOD UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY AND MADE, COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE BEING GENERATED BY ONE OF OUR ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THAT THIS IS A REPEAT ISSUE.

AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, AND BY NO MEANS WANT TO REVISIT THAT LONG, ARDUOUS PROCESS OF THE NIGHTLIFE ORDINANCE.

AND THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A DIVIDED COMMISSION, DURING THAT PROCESS, I DON'T WANT TO REVISIT THAT.

WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY MY MY VOTE.

DURING THAT PROCESS, I VOTED AGAINST THE NIGHTLIFE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WITH THE SAINT AUGUSTINE BUSINESS COALITION TO POLICE THEIR OWN.

AND I AM NOT SEEING THAT, AND I'M NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS, BUT I WAS TOLD BY OWNERS OF AT LEAST ONE ESTABLISHMENT, BUT THAT WAS WHAT THEIR INTENTION WAS IN, IN WORKING AGAINST THE NIGHTLIFE ORDINANCE AND TO ME.

AND SO I WENT AHEAD AND I VOTED I YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

THAT WAS MY GOOD FAITH, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT I WAS FOR THE NIGHTLIFE ORDINANCE EXHAUSTIVELY THE WHOLE TIME.

I AM DISAPPOINTED AT WHERE WE ARE AND WHO WE ARE WHEN WE HAVE.

THE KIND OF ACCIDENT THAT WE HAD AT THE FORT, AND WE HAVE THE KIND OF NOISE THAT'S BEING GENERATED, AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT I EXPECTED BY THIS TIME, SINCE THAT THAT NIGHT LIFE ORDINANCE WAS DENIED.

AND I AM PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT I EXPECT BETTER AND I EXPECT IT NOW.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE IT COMING FROM THE FROM THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESSES, THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER MEASURES OF OF MAKING THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS A TOP PRIORITY.

[03:25:05]

THANK YOU. I 100% AGREE AND I HAVE BEEN DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED BY WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT'S HAPPENED? AND I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER.

HE'S HAD TO LISTEN TO ME RANT AND BE CONCERNED AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE.

ALL THIS WAS JUST TO JUMP ON WHAT YOU SAID.

ALL THIS ALL ALONG WAS ABOUT SAFETY, ABOUT KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

AND, MAYBE THE ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE IN THIS CASE.

MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN, BUT ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD IS ABOUT KEEPING OUR VISITORS SAFE AND OUR AND OUR CITIZENS, OUR OUR CITIZENS AND PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPACTED BY THE LOCAL.

THESE. THIS WAS A LOCAL, PRETTY LOCAL ISSUE ANYWAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.

AND, I, I CONTINUE MY PRAYERS FOR THE TWO YOUNG WOMEN THAT, WERE INJURED.

SO THAT SAID.

OH. THANK YOU. NUMBER FIVE ON MY LIST WAS NOISE COMPLAINT.

AND I EMAILED HIM BACK AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE MANAGER THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE PROGRESS.

BUT GOVERNMENT IS SLOW. IT'S HARD TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO WRITE A JOB DESCRIPTION AND GET THAT PERSON ON THE STREET.

AND I'VE ENCOURAGED THE MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS GOING SO WE CAN HAVE THAT NIGHT MANAGER.

THE NIGHT MANAGER WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL FOR THAT SPANISH STREET RESIDENT, IF HE HAD HAD THE RIGHT TOOLS TO WALK IN FRONT OF THAT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT BAR AND SAY, YOU'RE TOO LOUD, TURN IT DOWN, OR ELSE.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT'S LISTENING AND THAT'S HERE, THAT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA POTENTIALLY COULD END UP IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, OUT ON WEST KING STREET, AT THE OLD FLORIDA MEMORIAL, PROPERTY.

FLORIDA MEMORIAL HAS AGREED, FOR THAT PROPERTY TO BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

AND, RIGHT NOW, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL SEND RECOMMENDATIONS TO TALLAHASSEE, TO PEOPLE WE KNOW AND PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW FOR THAT, MUSEUM, THE MOMENT OF SILENCE THAT WE'VE ENACTED, I SORT OF CONSIDER THAT AS SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF OUR COMPASSION AT SAINT AUGUSTINE THAT WE MOVED AWAY FROM PRIMARILY FOCUSING ON ONE RELIGION, AND PUBLICLY, INVITING THAT FAITH.

NOT THAT I AM A CHRISTIAN.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT UP FRONT, BUT I THINK IT'S COMPASSIONATE TO ALL CITIZENS THAT WE DON'T FOCUS ON ONE RELIGION PARTICULARLY.

AND I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE MOMENT OF SILENCE.

I'D LIKE TO COMPLIMENT, COMMISSIONER BLONDER ON THE ARBOR DAY AND CONGRATULATE GINA AGAIN, THE ARBOR DAY CEREMONY, WHICH I MISSED THE FORT MOSÉ BECAUSE OF THAT.

THAT WAS A WELL ATTENDED, A BEAUTIFUL TREE PLANTED AND IT WAS A NICE WET DAY AS AS COMMISSIONER BLONDER POINTED OUT, AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT THAT LITTLE SPOT IN OUR WORLD A LOT NICER SPOT.

THANK YOU. NICE, NICE.

THANK YOU. SO I WOULD LIKE TO.

ONE ON MY LIST WAS, AFTER THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP ABOUT OUR PROMISE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SOUND ORDINANCE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT ON THE, SOLUTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE NIGHT MANAGER, BUT THE SOUND ORDINANCE ITSELF IS PROBLEMATIC.

AND WHERE THEY MEASURE THE SOUND FROM, AT LEAST IN THAT ISSUE, I REALIZE THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO BE A VERY HEAVY LIFT, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE STRONG POLITICAL WILL THE WAY I SEE IT MOVING FORWARD, POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE.

STRONG WILL.

THEN EVEN THE NIGHTLIFE ORDINANCE WAS, IT'S GOING TO BRING IN EVERYBODY.

BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BEGIN WORK ON IT.

SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL ALL AGREE WITH ME THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE LIST, AND LET'S GO WITH IT.

YEAH. SO, IT NEEDS TO BE MOVING FORWARD.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET ON WITH THE HIRING OF THE CONSULTANT AND LET'S GET THAT GOING.

EVERYBODY AGREE NODDING HEADS.

YES OKAY. GREAT.

THE SECOND THING IS, IS DURING THE DISCUSSION DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE, CONSERVATION PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOME GOOD INPUT FROM, FOLKS THAT KIND OF CAME FORWARD AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT THIS CONSERVATION PROGRAM NOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE WE WANT IT TO BE MORE PURE AND THAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO HAVE TO CARRY THE BURDEN OF NOT ONLY JUST ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND THAT WE WERE PURCHASING AND ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS, RESILIENT LAND, BUT ALSO HISTORIC LAND AND ARCHEOLOGICAL IS ARCHEOLOGICALLY SIGNIFICANT LAND.

[03:30:05]

AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE TO YOU IS, THAT WE CREATE KIND OF A FORMAL STATEMENT OF SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.

I THINK IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2017.

AND THAT IS, FUNDS BEING DIRECTED FROM THE PARKING GARAGE REVENUE INTO HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORTS.

SO I HAVE A LIST AND WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS SINCE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SPENDING HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOLLARS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT FORMALIZED, SINCE IT'S GOING ON SINCE 2017.

LET'S FORMALIZE THAT.

AND THEN MAYBE, AND I'VE TALKED TO STAFF A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE WITHIN THAT, GROUPING OF DOLLARS, WHATEVER WE DECIDE, IT'S FAIR THAT IT SHOULD GO TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS.

EVERY YEAR WE CAN SET UP A DEDICATED REVENUE TO WITHIN THOSE DOLLARS TO CREATE A FUND FOR POTENTIAL PURCHASE OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES, ARCHEOLOGICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES OR, OR RELOCATION.

BECAUSE, LIKE I'VE SAID, IT'S NOT REALLY WE'RE NOT REALLY FACED WITH THE DILEMMA OF BUYING TOO MANY HISTORIC PROPERTIES, AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT WHAT WE'VE NOT HAD THE MONEY TO DO IS MOVING THEM TO SAVE THEM, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BEST TOOLS HARP HAS, IS THE DELAY THAT THEY HAVE ON DEMOLITION, SO THAT THEY TAKE A YEAR IF THEY, WHATEVER THEY NEED, TAKE A YEAR TO COME UP WITH, A WAY TO SAVE THE BUILDING.

WE JUST HEARD A GREAT STORY TONIGHT.

TAX CREDITS ARE THE BEST STORY TONIGHT.

IT WAS GREAT. YEAH. I MEAN, THEY DELAYED AND THEN IT STAFF WAS AMAZING AND GOT THROUGH TO THEM YOU KNOW GOT THE WHITE LIGHT BULB WENT ON.

SO KUDOS TO THEM.

BUT SO WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS IF YOU IF Y'ALL ALL AGREE I'D LIKE TO KIND OF LIKE I LIKE TO BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT ON THE LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO PARALLEL, WITH THE HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES FOR MONEY THAT WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, HAVE REALLY DEDICATED JUST FORMALIZE IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU DON'T MEAN BACK OFF ON THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM AND ABANDON IT RIGHT NOW? NO, NO, NO, NO, I MEAN BACK OFF, BACK OFF.

I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT PUSHY AND INSISTENT ON, YOU KNOW, FLESHING OUT CULTURAL RESOURCES ON THE MATRIX.

GOTCHA. OKAY, OKAY.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BEING.

BUT THEY SHOULD BE IN IT, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT SO VERY HEAVILY WEIGHTED.

I MEAN, YES, IT SHOULD BE IN AND OF COURSE IT SHOULD BE IN IT, I LOVE I'M JUST SAYING NOT MAKE IT SO HEAVILY.

YEAH. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH. SO I MEAN BECAUSE WE CAN DO THIS LIKE I SAID, WE COULD DO A PARALLEL PROGRAM.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF DOING IT.

OKAY, SO IF YOU ALL AGREE THEN I'M GOING TO ASK, STAFF TO GIVE US A BETTER I'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO.

OKAY. THAT SAID, I JUST WANTED TO ASK WHETHER WE WERE ASKING, OR WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO SEND A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE LOCATION OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM, OR I THINK WE NEED.

DO YOU WANT TO SEND A RESOLUTION BY THE MAYOR OR YOU WANT A LETTER BY THE MAYOR? OKAY, I'M THINKING THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK A GREAT IDEA.

YES, I FILLED IT, FILLED OUT THE SURVEY MYSELF.

YEAH. OKAY, THEN WHY ARE YOU SMILING? BECAUSE I WROTE A NOTE HERE TO SAY OR WRITE A LETTER.

YEAH, DARLENE.

ALL RIGHT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, ON BEHALF OF YOU, TO WRITE A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND THEN, IF WE FIND WE HAVE TIME, WE'LL DO A RESOLUTION.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT IDEA.

YES. OTHER. GOOD MEETING. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.