4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING

[6.A. Appeal of City Manager decision to deny an application for an animal drawn carriage permit by Lacey M. Sanchez, Coastal Carriages, LLC. (D. Birchim, City Manager)]

ITEM 6A MR. CITY MANAGER, MR. BIRCHIM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

THE CITY HAS RECEIVED A SECOND APPEAL OF MY ACTION, DENYING THE ISSUANCE OF FURTHER OR ADDITIONAL HORSE CARRIAGE PERMITS.

IN THIS CASE, MS. LACY SANCHEZ WAS WITH COASTAL CARRIAGES, HAS APPEALED MY DECISION AND IS REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL HORSE CARRIAGE PERMIT.

MY LETTER, DATED OCTOBER 13TH, OUTLINES MY REASONS FOR THE DENIAL.

THEY ARE BASED ON SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO UPCOMING ROAD AND BRIDGE PROJECTS AND THE LANGUAGE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY 15 ACTIVE HORSE CARRIAGE PERMITS.

IN 2014, THE CITY COMMISSION CONSIDERED 15 PERMITS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PERMITS THEY WANTED TO ISSUE UNTIL OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION WERE STUDIED, AND I HAVE INCLUDED THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING IN YOUR PACKET.

UNFORTUNATELY, MISS SANCHEZ COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.

SHE CALLED US SHORTLY BEFORE THE MEETING TO TELL US THAT SHE HAD A FAMILY OBLIGATION.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS.

QUESTIONS. COMMENTS I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

I THINK TO SAY AT THE END.

FIRST, I'M ACTUALLY OPPOSED TO AGREEING TO THIS ONE BECAUSE WE HAD AGREED TO 15, BUT I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY THAT I THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SENT ALL THREE BACK TO THE MANAGER AT THE TIME, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GIVE THE OTHER TWO PEOPLE A CHANCE.

SO I THINK IF WE HAVE THIS COME UP AGAIN AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE.

MULTIPLE APPLICANTS FOR ONE CARRIAGE, THAT WE HAVE SOME KIND OF PROCESS IN PLACE TO CONSIDER ALL THE APPLICANTS AND THEIR CREDIBILITY AND THEIR THEIR HISTORY AND THEIR. MY ABILITY FOR THAT ONE PERMIT, BUT I THINK 15 IS ENOUGH AND I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING ANOTHER 16 WAGON CARRIAGE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, WE HAVE A LIMIT OF 15 THAT WAS AGREED UPON AND THE OTHER PERSON GOT VOTED IN BECAUSE WE HAD WE WERE AT 14 AT THAT POINT, SO WE ARE AT 15.

I DON'T SEE US GOING OVER THE LIMIT AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

OKAY. YES.

I VOTED AGAINST THE PERMIT RENEWAL OR THE PERMIT FOR THE LAST APPELLANT.

BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S DECISION THAT WE SHOULD BE DECREASING THE

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NUMBER OF HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGES WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE COMING TOWARD US.

AND SO, I DEFINITELY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS APPEAL.

YEAH, WELL, I WAS AROUND WHEN WE DECIDED TO REDUCE IT TO 15.

AND OUR VEHICLES ON THE STREET ARE EVEN MORE AT THIS TIME.

WE HAVE MANY MORE GOLF CARTS THAT ARE OUT AND ABOUT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AT THAT TIME.

SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF INCREASING ANY HORSE, ANY MORE HORSES.

CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? I DID SPEAK WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT IF HE STILL INTENDS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER FROM 15 TO BRING A PLAN.

OF HOW HE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, SO THAT IF WE DID DECIDE TO MOVE TO A LESSER NUMBER, THAT HE'D HAVE A PLAN OF HOW TO REDUCE THOSE NUMBERS AND WHY AND WOULD THAT.

BE IN YOUR MIND PERMANENT? OR WOULD IT BE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING ALL OF THIS CONSTRUCTION? WELL, THAT WOULD BE DEPENDING ON HIS REASONS FOR WANTING TO REDUCE, BUT I THINK PRIMARILY IT'S THE NUMBER OF.

A ROAD THAT ARE GOING TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, PARTICULARLY AT THE BRIDGE.

SO OKAY, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS A UPHOLDING OF THE CITY MANAGER'S DENIAL OF THE PERMIT FROM THE APPLICANT.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION FORMED BY THE COMMISSION THAT LIMITS THE PERMIT, REITERATES THE LIMIT OF PERMITS TO 15.

AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT WILL.

IS THAT A MOTION THAT.

YEAH. IS THAT A MOTION I'LL SECOND IT.

IT IS A MOTION SECOND.

OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE PLEASE.

AYE.

THANK YOU. SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT AT FUTURE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. NO.

WE HAVE ITEM 7A1.

[7.A.1. Request by St. Johns County Cultural Events, Inc. on the 2023 Sing Out Loud event and a request to make this a two-day annual event. (M. Breidenstein, Assistant City Manager)]

TELL ME IF I'M SKIPPING. I'M NOT SKIPPING.

OH, I SEE MS. BREIDENSTEIN.

THIS IS A REQUEST BY SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENTS ON THE 2003 2023 SING OUT LOUD EVENT, AND THE REQUEST TO MAKE THIS A TWO DAY ANNUAL EVENT, YOU ARE WELCOME TO PRESENT. GOOD EVENING.

HI. MEREDITH BREIDENSTEIN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

I'M ACTUALLY JUST HERE TO INTRODUCE THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL EVENTS AND CULTURAL EVENTS, INC.

THEY ARE HERE TO PRESENT INFORMATION ON THE SING OUT LOUD FESTIVAL FOR 2023 THAT WAS HELD IN SEPTEMBER.

AND YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE MADE BY DIANA MARKOVITZ OF THE SAINT JOHNS CULTURAL EVENTS.

YOU ALSO HAVE ACTION ITEMS THAT WERE COMPILED BY CITY STAFF.

YOU ALSO HAVE A DETAIL OF THE CITY'S EXPENSES THAT WERE REIMBURSED BY THE EVENT.

AND FINALLY, A MEMO FROM FIRE CHIEF AVILES REGARDING SUGGESTIONS FOR A FUTURE POLICY UPDATE REGARDING WHETHER THIS WILL BE PRESENTED AGAIN BY MISS DIANA MARKOWITZ.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH HER PRESENTATION.

SHE WILL, AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO BE REQUESTING THAT THIS BE A FUTURE EVENT ON FRANCIS FIELD, AS IT WAS A ONE TIME APPROVAL THAT YOU GAVE FOR SEPTEMBER 2023.

SO SHE'S HERE NOW TO PRESENT.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS DIANA MARKOVITZ.

I AM THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS MANAGER AT SJC CULTURAL EVENTS INC.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A RECAP OF THIS PAST YEAR'S SING OUT LOUD FESTIVAL.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS? SING OUT LOUD. IT IS THE CITYWIDE MONTH LONG CELEBRATION OF LIVE MUSIC FEATURING NATIONAL HEADLINERS, LOCAL AND REGIONAL ARTISTS, CAREER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS AND FREE COMMUNITY EVENTS.

THIS YEAR'S FESTIVAL TOOK PLACE BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 8TH AND OCTOBER 1ST.

SING OUT LOUD HAS FOUR PILLARS TO ITS MISSION.

BOLSTER THE ECONOMY.

WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER, TO SUPPORT LOCAL COMMERCE BY BOOSTING VISITATION DURING A HISTORICALLY SLOW TIME OF THE YEAR.

WE'RE HERE TO SPOTLIGHT OUR COMMUNITY AND CELEBRATE OUR VIBRANT ARTS COMMUNITY BY HOSTING FREE LOCAL ARTISTS, SHOWCASES AND COMMUNITY EVENTS.

EMPOWER OUR LOCAL ARTISTS.

WE WANT TO SHINE A SPOTLIGHT ON LOCAL ARTISTS WITH PAID PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES AND PROVIDE CAREER ADVANCEMENT THROUGH WORKSHOPS AND NETWORKING EVENTS.

AND THE FOURTH PILLAR IS FUNDRAISE FOR PHILANTHROPIC CAUSES.

WE ARE HERE TO RAISE AWARENESS AND FUNDS FOR LOCAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

WE'LL TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO JUST GO THROUGH EACH PILLAR.

SPOTLIGHT OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS YEAR'S FESTIVAL FEATURED 157 LOCAL AND REGIONAL ARTISTS.

GENRES INCLUDED AMERICANA.

BLUEGRASS. BLUES.

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COMEDY. FOLK.

POETRY. SINCE 2016, SING OUT LOUD HAS FEATURED OVER 800 LOCAL ARTISTS.

ALL LOCAL ARTISTS SHOWCASES WERE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S 56 LOCAL ARTISTS SHOWCASES THAT WERE HELD DURING THIS FESTIVAL.

15 PARTICIPATING VENUES HELD THESE FREE SHOWCASES AND THEY RETAINED 100% OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE REVENUE.

WE HAD ADDITIONAL FREE COMMUNITY PROGRAMING PECHAKUCHA, LINCOLNVILLE PORCH FEST PARTNERS, THE NIGHT MARKET RECORD FAIR AND THE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL.

ANOTHER PILLAR IS EMPOWERING OUR LOCAL TALENT.

SUPPORTING THE LOCAL MUSIC SCENE AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH ARE AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PILLARS OF THIS FESTIVAL.

LOCAL PERFORMERS WERE PAID A MINIMUM OF $400 PER PERFORMANCE THAT EQUALED OVER $70,000 IN LOCAL ARTIST PAYMENTS.

WE HELD A MUSIC BUSINESS PANEL WHERE TOP LEVEL MANAGERS, PUBLISHERS, RECRUITERS AND SONGWRITERS GAVE INSIGHT TIPS ON HOW TO MAKE IT IN MUSIC.

AUDIENCE MEMBERS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEIR OWN PERSONAL QUESTIONS AND NETWORK AFTER THE EVENT.

WE ALSO HELD ARTIST DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOPS.

BAND PRACTICE AT THE PONTE VEDRA CONCERT HALL INCLUDED A FREE TWO HOUR PRIVATE REHEARSAL WITH PROFESSIONAL AUDIO ENGINEERS AND A PROFESSIONAL PHOTO SHOOT.

WE HAD FOUR BANDS APPLY FOR IT AND RECEIVE THEIR BAND PRACTICE OPPORTUNITY.

RAISE FUNDS FOR LOCAL CHARITIES.

THIS YEAR, $161,530 WAS RAISED THROUGH TICKET AND F&B SALES, $70,000 WENT TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT MUSIC PROGRAMS TO HELP SUPPLY INSTRUMENTS FOR 49 SCHOOLS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

ANOTHER 70 WENT TO THE FIRST RESPONDER PROJECT THAT WILL ASSIST IN PROVIDING ACCESS TO EMOTIONAL SUPPORT SERVICES, MENTAL RESILIENCY TRAINING, AND PEER TO PEER FORUMS FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEIR LOVED ONES.

ADDITIONAL 2023 RECIPIENTS INCLUDED GAMBLE ROGERS FOLK FESTIVAL AND FLORIDA STATE PARKS FOUNDATION. SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2016, SING OUT LOUD HAS DONATED OVER $460,000 TO LOCAL CHARITIES.

SING OUT LOUD. AS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER, AS MANY OF US KNOW, SEPTEMBER IS HISTORICALLY THE SLOWEST MONTH OF THE YEAR FOR TOURISM, WITH AN AVERAGE OCCUPANCY OF 54.7%.

THE LOCAL ECONOMY STRUGGLES DURING SEPTEMBER.

HOURS ARE REDUCED, STAFFING IS TRIMMED, AND REVENUES DROP.

AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE ALL KNOW, BUT A DOWNTURN IN TOURISM IMPACTS OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

IN A RECENT BUSINESS SURVEY, QUESTION WAS POSED IN GENERAL, HOW WOULD YOU RATE YOUR CUSTOMER TRAFFIC AND SALES REVENUE IN SEPTEMBER COMPARED TO OTHER MONTHS? YOU CAN SEE 80% SAID IT'S EITHER MODERATELY SLOWER OR THE SLOWEST TIME OF THE YEAR.

I'M GOING TO ERASE MY LITTLE NOTE.

SO HOW CAN SING OUT LOUD ADDRESS THIS VISITATION ISSUE? WELL, WE BOOST TOURISM BY ATTRACTING OUT OF AREA ATTENDEES.

WE BOOKED NATIONAL HEADLINERS FOR A TWO DAY CONCERT EVENT.

WE HOST A SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

SO WE HAVE THESE TWO COMPONENTS ALONG WITH OUR LOCAL ARTIST SHOWCASES, AND WE DEPLOY DIGITAL ADS WITH THE 150 MILE RADIUS OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.

THAT'S A THREE HOUR CAR DRIVE, VIRTUALLY GUARANTEEING AN OVERNIGHT STAY.

WE RUN PRINT, BROADCAST AND EMAIL IN MAJOR MARKETS, AND WE PARTNER WITH THE VCB AND VISIT FLORIDA TO COLLABORATE ON CAMPAIGNS HIGHLIGHTING THE FESTIVAL AS A REASON TO VISIT THE AREA IN SEPTEMBER.

WHAT DID THIS EQUAL BY HOSTING A NATIONAL, BY HOSTING NATIONAL ACTS FOR A TWO DAY CONCERT EVENT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY CURATED ON SEPTEMBER 22ND AND 23RD.

THIS WAS THE ONLY TIME PEOPLE COULD COME AND SEE MUMFORD AND SONS WITH THE BLACK KEYS AND ELLE KING AND THE OTHER.

MAGGIE ROGERS WAS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SEPTEMBER 22ND AND 23RD.

TOTAL ATTENDANCE WAS 32,877 PEOPLE.

AND THAT PHOTO IS A SHOT FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AT MUMFORD AND SONS, SEPTEMBER 23RD. SO FROM TICKET DATA, WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT 51% OF THE TICKETS WERE SOLD OUTSIDE OF SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY FOR THIS WEEKEND.

ATTENDEES TRAVELED FROM 40 DIFFERENT STATES.

THE RED DOTS WERE THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF TICKETS CAME FROM.

AND THEN IN THROUGHOUT FLORIDA, YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALL RED.

WE BROUGHT PEOPLE ALL THE WAY BELOW MIAMI TO THE PANHANDLE.

THE SAINT AUGUSTINE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL IS A NEW ADDITION AS WELL.

IT WAS INTRODUCED LAST YEAR AND IT WAS A MASSIVE SUCCESS.

YOU HAVE 55 AWARD WINNING, CHART TOPPING SINGER SONGWRITERS PLAYING KIND OF IN THE ROUND AND TELLING THE STORIES BEHIND THEIR SONGS.

IT'S AN EXTREMELY UNIQUE EVENT.

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SO HOW DID FRANCIS FIELD WEAKEN AFFECT LODGING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY? THERE WAS AN INCREASED DEMAND FOR LODGING AT 74%.

REMEMBER, THE AVERAGE IS 54%.

TO GO UP TO 74% IS A 20 POINT INCREASE.

WE HAD INCREASED AVERAGE DAILY RATE AND INCREASED REVENUE.

HOW DID THAT AFFECT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES? DURING THE FRANCIS FIELD WEEKEND, OUT OF BUSINESSES SURVEYED, 65% EXPERIENCED AN INCREASE IN CUSTOMER TRAFFIC, 60% EXPERIENCED AN INCREASE IN SALES REVENUE.

WHEN WE ASKED, WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR OF A SEPTEMBER SING OUT LOUD FRANCIS FIELD TWO DAY CONCERT EVENT BEING HELD EVERY YEAR? 78% SAID YES.

THESE ARE JUST SOME QUOTES FROM SOME OF THE SURVEYS THAT WE RECEIVED BACK.

GREAT WEEKEND. WE'D WELCOME IT BACK EVERY YEAR.

TRAFFIC EQUAL TWO NIGHTS OF LIGHTS IN OUR BAR AND HOTEL.

WE HEARD FROM SO MANY BUSINESSES THAT SAID THIS SAVED OUR SEPTEMBER.

SO THE NEXT STEPS ARE.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR IS SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THE MOMENTUM FROM 2023 FESTIVAL SUCCESS.

WE HAVE RECEIVED INQUIRIES FROM AGENTS AND ARTISTS ALONG WITH PREVIOUS ATTENDEES, ASKING ABOUT DATES FOR 2024.

WE CONTINUE BUILDING THE SING OUT LOUD BRAND ON A NATIONAL LEVEL.

SING OUT LOUD IS WELL KNOWN IN OUR AREA AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

IT DOES TAKE 3 TO 5 YEARS TO BUILD A NATIONWIDE FESTIVAL BRAND.

WITH NATIONAL AWARENESS COMES MORE LOCAL ARTIST DISCOVERY AND MORE EXPERIENCES FOR THE COMMUNITY. BOLSTER EVERY WEEKEND IN SEPTEMBER BY GROWING THESE WEEKENDS.

POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS EXPERIENCED THROUGHOUT SEPTEMBER.

EXPAND WEEKDAY PROGRAMING AND LOCAL BUSINESS PARTICIPATION.

WE HOST MUSICIANS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK AND EXPAND OUR EXPLORE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

SPECIAL OFFER PACKAGES WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AND WE INCREASE FREE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND ARTIST DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

WE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BOOK MORE LOCAL ARTISTS, HOST MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS, AND CREATE ADDITIONAL ARTIST WORKSHOPS, NETWORKING EVENTS AND EDUCATION.

THE FIRST STEP IN WHY WE ARE HERE IS TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR THAT REOCCURRING TWO DAY CONCERT EVENT AT FRANCIS FIELD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MYSELF, ALONG WITH THE SJC CULTURAL EVENTS TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES.

OKAY. WITH ME? OKAY. OKAY.

A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I WAS THE ONE THAT SAID FOR IT TO BE A ONE TIME TRIAL, BECAUSE I HAD BEEN ON THE SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE AND WE DID NOT KNOW HOW, BECAUSE IT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS GOING TO PLAY OUT.

WE DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC.

WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING TO GET BOMBARDED FROM THE RESIDENTS.

AND SO HAVING I DID ATTEND THE SING OUT LOUD EVENT AND IT WAS VERY WELL MAINTAINED.

THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE, THERE WAS NO FIGHTING, THERE WAS HANDLING.

THEY HANDLED EVERYTHING WELL.

IT FELT LIKE YOU WERE ZAPPED INTO ANOTHER ATMOSPHERE BECAUSE THEY CREATED THE AMBIANCE OF AN ORGANIZED EVENT.

I HAVE MET WITH DIANA AND GABE, AND I TALKED TO THEM AT LENGTH ABOUT THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, ABOUT IF THERE'S A HURRICANE AND EVEN THE CITY MANAGER YOU KNOW, ABOUT IF THERE WASN'T GOING TO BE A HURRICANE, THAT OUR RESOURCES WOULDN'T BE TIED UP. THEY ARE GOING TO USE A LOT OF OUTSIDE RESOURCES THAT THEY MENTIONED, SO THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE NOT TIED UP.

THEY ARE ALSO PREPARED.

AND I THINK I SEEN THE FORMER CHIEF SOMEWHERE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE LEFT LAUREN LOOTERS.

HE WAS HE'S HERE. YEAH.

IF HE COULD COME UP BECAUSE HE IS OVER SECURITY, I BELIEVE, AND THEN HE CAN REASSURE YOU GUYS THAT HE HAS THAT UNDER CONTROL.

THEY ALSO YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE GREAT A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY DID TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS SUCCESSFUL. THEY YOU KNOW, THEY TOOK THE PARKING GARAGE OVER SO THAT THEY HAD A PLACE IN THE EVENT THAT IT RAINED, THAT THEY COULD SECURE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM BEING OUT THERE IN THE ELEMENTS. SO THEY THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG.

THEY WERE PREPARED FOR IT.

AND FORTUNATELY NOTHING DID GO WRONG.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE INCIDENT WITH ONE PERSON THAT THEY GOT A LITTLE OVERHEATED, AND THEN THEY PUT THEM IN SOME COOLING CHAMBER.

IS THAT RIGHT? AND SO OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT AND ALSO THERE WAS A HURRICANE

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THAT WAS SCHEDULED IN THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND EVERYBODY CANCELED AT ALL THE HOTELS BECAUSE I'M ON THE VQ-VAE EVERYBODY CANCELED BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T COMING HERE.

WHO WOULD COME SOMEWHERE, YOU HEAR HURRICANES COMING.

BUT ANYWAY, EVERYBODY CANCELED.

AND SO EVERYBODY WENT INTO THE RED.

BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE CANCELLATIONS, I'M HAVING TO REIMBURSE EVERYBODY.

AND THIS EVENT COMING HERE PUT THEM RIGHT BACK INTO THE BLACK, BECAUSE EVERY HOTEL JUST ABOUT WAS SOLD OUT.

SO YES, IT'S MAKING MONEY FOR THE BUSINESSES.

YES, IT'S MAKING MONEY FOR THE HOTEL INDUSTRY.

YES, IT MADE A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE RESTAURANTS AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GET THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

I SPOKE WITH THE CHIEF AND I BELIEVE SHE SAID THERE WAS NO A LOT OF INCIDENTS, OR MAYBE 1 OR 2, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE GET THAT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE AN EVENT.

SO. SO IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO AGAIN, BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE THAT SAID TO MAKE IT A ONE TIME.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THE RHYTHM AND RIBS FESTIVAL, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY INCREASING EVENTS BECAUSE THIS CAN BE THAT SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT TIME SLOT.

THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS.

QUESTIONS. I THINK I'LL HOLD MINE UNTIL MS. BREIDENSTEIN. ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING A PRESENTATION OR KNOW OF YOUR.

NO, MA'AM. THAT'S HERE FOR BACKUP.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WITH IT.

JUST BACK UP FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

OKAY. YEAH. UM, YEAH, I WOULD ONLY SAY THAT I'M REALLY SORRY I MISSED THE EVENT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WENT REALLY WELL.

THERE WERE SOME HICCUPS, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE JUST PART OF THE LEARNING PROCESS.

AND I'M IN FAVOR OF MAKING THIS AN ANNUAL EVENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THEIR FINDINGS AND SO FORTH ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF OTHER QUICK POINTS.

THE FIRST IS THAT I THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD HELP US WITH THE STAFFING FROM OUR SIDE.

I THINK IT BRINGS AS MUCH TO THE COUNTY AS IT DOES TO US.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE A COST ESTIMATE FOR THE REPAIR OF FRANCIS FIELD TURF, AND THE DAMAGE TO THE IRRIGATION EQUIPMENT.

WAS THAT SIGNIFICANT IN ANY WAY, OR I JUST SAW THAT NOTE IN THERE IN STAFF SUMMARY OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

I BELIEVE THE IRRIGATION WAS FIXED DIRECTLY BY THE EVENT, AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A COST ON ANY FUTURE FRANCIS FIELD.

ACTUALLY, RESODDING WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN FOR THIS SPECIFIC EVENT.

OKAY, SO WE CAN BUDGET FOR THAT AND YEAH, FOR NEXT TIME OR WHATEVER.

THEN THERE WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR COMPOSTING AND SOMETHING I FORGET WHAT READ MORE RECYCLING SERVICES AND LESS.

NO NO NO NOT THE RECYCLING ACTUAL MORE MORE OF THE WHATEVER WOULD BE COMPOSTABLE MATERIAL, THE DISPOSABLE MATERIAL.

I TO MY KNOWLEDGE, DO WE HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL COMPOSTING FACILITY? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT STUFF ACTUALLY GETS COMPOSTED.

I KNOW WE DON'T IN THE CITY, BUT I WONDER IF THERE'S ONE OUT IN THE COUNTY SOMEWHERE.

WE DON'T. OKAY.

SO IT'S KIND OF EASY ANSWER FOR THAT OKAY.

SO IT'S KIND OF THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD NOT SUPPORT.

AND I WOULD SUPPORT GETTING INDUSTRIAL COMPOSTING SOMEWHERE NEARBY.

BUT IT'S JUST ALL GOING TO GO INTO THE WASTE STREAM ANYWAY, WHETHER IT'S LABELED COMPOSTABLE OR NOT.

IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WENT TO THE REUSABLE CUP, BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT COMPOSTABLE CUPS.

BUT THEN YOU REALIZE IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT, WE DON'T TURN.

IT JUST SITS THERE.

SO YEAH, WE SWITCHED OVER TO REUSE.

YEAH. AND THAT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE FOR THIS EVENT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD JUST TAKE THAT OUT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

49% OF TICKET SALES WERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THAT SEEMS KIND OF HIGH FOR AN EVENT LIKE THIS.

YOU'RE HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

IT WAS PRETTY HIGH. IT WAS WAY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT THE AMPHITHEATER.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SEEING, IS TO BUILD INTEGRITY IN A FESTIVAL, ESPECIALLY AT A TIME IN WHICH SCHOOLS BACK IN SESSION AFTER LABOR DAY.

IT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S HISTORICALLY THE SLOWEST TIME OF THE YEAR, EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

NO ONE REALLY. THEY DON'T TRAVEL.

IF THEY'RE TRAVELING, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO COME TO FLORIDA IN SEPTEMBER.

SO WE WERE UP AGAINST THAT.

WE ACTUALLY CHANGED OUR ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN PROBABLY OVER 20 DIFFERENT TIMES.

I MEAN, IT WAS JUST WATCHING, MEASURING HOW DO WE ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME IN.

BUT WE KNEW OVER TIME THAT WE WERE SO FORTUNATE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE TO US, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE AMPHITHEATER AND THEY'VE BEEN TO EVENT MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO, AND WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE EXCITED ABOUT JUST THE FEELING THAT

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THEY COULD HAVE AT THE EVENT.

BUT OUTSIDE OF IT, IF, I MEAN, IMAGINE BEING EXCITED ABOUT AN ARTIST, BUT IT'S 400 MILES AWAY IN AN EVENT IN WHICH IT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN SEPTEMBER, IT WAS VERY CHALLENGING TO TARGET THE AUDIENCE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT EITHER HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIDS THAT ARE OLDER OR THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS, OR THEY'RE OKAY TRAVELING WITH THEIR KIDS OR TAKING THEM OUT OF SCHOOL AFTER SUMMERTIME, AFTER SUMMER BREAK.

AND SO IT WAS IT WAS A BIG LEARNING CURVE.

IT'S BEEN HELPFUL FOR ME WITH THE TDC, WORKING WITH THE TDC, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE TRIED OUR VERY BEST TO ATTRACT AN AUDIENCE IN AT A TIME THAT HISTORICALLY WOULDN'T COME HERE. SO WE KNOW IF YOU DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, IF YOU MAKE SURE YOUR EXPERIENCE IS REALLY STRONG, IF YOU DO THE LITTLE THINGS LIKE HAVE THE AIR CONDITIONING AREAS OR GIVE AWAY FREE WATER AND JUST SHOW THAT THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL OF A FESTIVAL, THAT WE KNOW THAT OVER TIME, PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE THAT, AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY WOULD COME TO SAINT AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE OVERALL.

RIGHT? YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY DATA FOR ANY OF THE OTHER PERIODS OF TIME IN SEPTEMBER.

ISOLATED LIKE THE WEEKENDS THAT WE HAD THE LOCALS IS NOT ANY SPECIFIC DATA FOR THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN CAPTURE IN THE FUTURE? IT'S VERY HARD TO CAPTURE.

SO WE CAN CAPTURE WITH A TICKET BECAUSE YOU GET THE ZIP CODE, SO YOU CAN TELL EXACTLY WHERE THE PURCHASER IS COMING FROM.

BUT IF YOU GET INTO GENERAL PUBLIC, YOU CAN DO SURVEYING, AND WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. WE DO NEED TO GET BETTER AT THAT PART OF IT.

WE DO KNOW THAT THE JUST FROM LODGING ITSELF, WE KNOW THE SONGWRITERS WILL BRING IN JUST THEY HAVE DIEHARD FOLLOWERS THAT WILL JUST GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

BUT THAT'S WHAT'S HELPFUL, HAVING AN EVENT THAT HAS A TICKETED EVENT, BECAUSE YOU CAN CAPTURE THAT DATA AND IT'S REALLY VALUABLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE THE TDC GETS FUNDED HEADS IN BEDS.

AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DELIVER ON ON THAT ELEMENT OF THE FESTIVAL.

RIGHT. AND THE FIRST RESPONDER DONATION, DOES ANY OF THAT COME TO SAINT AUGUSTINE'S FIRST RESPONDERS THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING THAT'S GOING TO A NON A NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS WITH ALL ALL FIRE RESCUE.

SO THE CITY AND THE STATE.

AND SO THE ANSWER IS YOU DON'T KNOW OR.

WE COULD FIND OUT IF I BELIEVE THEY MET WITH THE CITY AND THE STATE.

I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE TO ANSWER.

YEAH, I'M LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN. THE SECOND THING IS ONE THING IN THE RI THAT WE DID YEARS AGO, A YEAR OR SO AGO, WAS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A GENRE OF MUSIC FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE TO BE KNOWN FOR, AND YOU'VE SORT OF DONE THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN PREFERENCE, I BELIEVE, OR WE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF GEARED IT THAT WAY.

BUT SO THE GENRE IS KIND OF ALREADY SELECTED.

BUT WAS THERE ANY INTEREST IN HAVING MULTIPLE GENRES DURING THE SING OUT LOUD BIG WEEKEND. YES THERE IS.

I MEAN, THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF HAVING DIVERSITY IN YOUR PROGRAMING AND WE TRIED TO CAPTURE THAT, BUT A LOT OF IT COMES FROM WHAT IS SURROUNDING.

WHAT'S THE COMPETITION AROUND.

AND SO YOU HAVE A GEORGE STRAIT CHRIS STAPLETON SHOW THAT'S PLAYING AT THE STADIUM.

YEAH. SO THOSE LITTLE I MEAN TAYLOR SWIFT PLAYS 3 OR 4 NIGHTS.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO REALLY GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT WHERE CAN YOU TARGET AN AUDIENCE.

I DON'T I DON'T VOTE FOR MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I REALLY DON'T.

AND YOU CAN'T I MEAN, IT'S JUST WHAT WHAT GIVES YOU THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL, TO BRING THE RIGHT CROWDS? I MEAN, THE CROWDS THAT WE WILL HAVE MINIMAL ISSUES WITH.

SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE FOCUS ON IT THIS YEAR.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE INCREASED TOURISM DROVE ECONOMY THAT YOU HAD? 22% SAY, NO, IT DIDN'T HELP.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THEM ABOUT WHY THEY HAD THAT? YES, I CAN CERTAINLY. AND I CAN SHARE A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS.

THEY WEREN'T VERY SPECIFIC IN IT.

A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE CONGESTION, LESS ACTIVITY THAN NORMAL BECAUSE OF HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOW WAS GOING.

BUT I CAN CERTAINLY FIND THOSE SURVEY RESPONSES AND SHARE THEM.

WELL, YEAH. OKAY.

YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR MUSIC OBVIOUSLY.

BUT I THINK FOR US TO COMMIT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME IS NOT NOT WISE AT THIS TIME.

AND SO IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A MULTIPLE YEAR THING, I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO I MET WITH GABE DIANA TODAY AS WELL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE EFFORT OF TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY, GABE SAYS AT 16 MONTHS TO GET A GOOD SET OF GROUP COMMITTED.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT WE COULD GO A TWO YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, BUT NO LONGER.

RIGHT NOW, I KNOW HE'S SAYING 4 OR 5 YEARS TO GET IT COMMITTED, BUT IT SHOULD WE SHOULD SHOW INCREASE IN.

THE EVENT RUNNING PROPERLY, THE SAFETY BEING TAKEN CARE OF.

AND. MORE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN COME IN FOR THE BUSINESSES.

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BUT ALSO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY RECEIVES OUT OF THIS.

I KNOW WE GET ALL OUR REIMBURSEMENTS.

I KNOW WE GET PAID BACK FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF EVENTS THAT WE DON'T GET TOTALLY REFUNDED, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF WE GOT SOMETHING BACK.

SPECIFICALLY, I KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GOT SOMETHING.

THE FIRST RESPONDERS GOT SOMETHING, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD FIND A FOCUS THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, DIRECT SOME OF THE FUNDS.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING $70,000 ON THE ON THE EVENT THAT YOU JUST FUNDED IS A TRICKLE BECAUSE IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE FOR YOU ALL.

I MEAN, THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET WAS, BUT I DID THE MATH.

IT WAS PRETTY BIG.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S CARVING OUT SOME OF THAT.

THE RESIDENTS THIS YEAR WERE MUCH HAPPIER.

THE ONES THAT I TALKED TO AND I, AND I MENTIONED IT TO YOU TODAY THAT I HAVE A RESIDENT FRIEND THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS.

SHE LIVES ON RHODY, AND SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BUT COMPLAIN ABOUT SNOOP DOGG AND THE ORIGINAL. MUMFORD AND I WENT TO SEE HER AND SHE SAID IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL THIS YEAR.

WHATEVER YOU DID FOR THE PARKING WAS REALLY GOOD.

I MENTIONED I HAD MY OWN EVENT AT THE WATERWORKS THAT AFTERNOON.

WE DROVE AROUND FRIDAY NIGHT.

THERE WAS PARKING ON THE BAY FRONT.

THERE WAS PARKING AT THE PLAZA, SO.

AND THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER.

SO WHATEVER HAPPENED THIS TIME THAT YOU DID DIFFERENT THAN THE TIME BEFORE REALLY WORKED BECAUSE THERE WAS DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A BACKUP LIKE THAT WE HAD BEFORE.

SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.

BUT THAT ALL THOSE THINGS WILL GET BETTER, I THINK, IF WE.

SO SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPOSAL OF MULTI YEAR, I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO TWO YEARS. BUT BUT NO MORE THAN THAT.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

MY TURN. LET'S SEE.

WELL, YOU AND I, MAYOR AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD LONG ENOUGH THAT WE WERE AROUND WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT ALL OF THE FESTIVITIES ON FRANCIS FIELD, AND.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY IT'S A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.

YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS.

IT ALL LOOKS WONDERFUL.

I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW THE CITY SHOULD GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

I MEAN, WE ARE BRINGING IN TWO AND A HALF TIMES OUR POPULATION AND THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR. NOW WE CAN EXPECT THAT TO GROW CONSIDERABLY.

SO I MEAN.

I'M REALLY AT A DIFFERENT PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE AND QUALITY OF LIFE CAN BE MUSIC.

WE ALL LIKE MUSIC, BUT QUALITY OF LIFE CAN ALSO BE SOME DOWNTIME WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY GET INTO OUR RESTAURANTS AND WE CAN ASK THE LOCALS, AND WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH HURRICANES IN ORDER TO GET OUR DOWNTIME.

BUT HERE WE ARE, GETTING READY TO FILL OUR DOWNTOWN DOWNTIME AGAIN.

I'M SORRY TO HEAR RHYTHM AND RIBS ISN'T THERE ANYMORE BEING A ROTARY FUNCTION AND RAISING MONEY FOR ROTARY AND VERY GOOD.

CAUSES, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE US ADDING SOMETHING PERMANENTLY TO TAKE THAT SLOT SINCE WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT IT.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE MAYOR HAS TO SAY.

OKAY, SO I'M A BIG FAN.

UM, AND.

NOT JUST BECAUSE WE WORKED WITH THIS CREW BEFORE AND THEY HAVE BEEN AMAZING PARTNERS.

THEY HAVE BEEN SO COOPERATIVE.

THEY AT EVERY QUESTION AND EVERY REQUEST THAT WE'VE EVER MADE OF THEM, THEY HAVE SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE TRUSTWORTHY AND VERY GOOD INTENTION.

I CAN'T IMAGINE A BETTER FUTURE IF WE CHOOSE A PARTNER TO DO ANYTHING.

SO JUST THAT SAID, I'M A VERY BIG SUPPORTER.

I SAT ON THE TDC, I SIT ON THE TDC AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THE TDC FEELS THE SAME WAY. THEY'RE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THEY DO OVER AT THE AMPHITHEATER.

THEY PUT IN A TON OF EXTRA MONEY, KIND OF ON THE FLY, SO THAT TO DO ADDITIONAL ADVERTISEMENT FOR SING OUT LOUD.

AND I THINK THAT'S A STATEMENT OF THEIR TRUSTWORTHINESS.

UM, I LIKE THE IDEA.

I AGREE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME SORT OF PROCEEDS OF FUNDS BEING SHARED WITH THE CITY.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHOSE IT WAS, BUT I LIKE IT.

UM, BUT REALLY, WHAT MADE ME A FAN, UM, WAS THE FACT THAT THEY ARE.

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SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL ARTISTS.

AND I'VE SAID THIS AND THEY'RE SICK OF HEARING ME SAY THIS, BUT I'VE SAID IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I SAY, ALL GREAT CITY AND WAS WHEN SOUND DIPLOMACY DID THEIR STUDY. AND I SAID IT AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, ALL GREAT CITIES HAVE A MUSICAL SIGNATURE. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SOUND.

AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT GREAT CITIES, I WANT TO BE A GREAT CITY.

I THINK WE'RE A GREAT CITY, BUT I THINK WE CAN BE A GREAT, GREAT CITY.

AND I THINK MUSIC BRINGS THAT BRAND.

SO I THINK THAT SING OUT LOUD IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO SHAPE OUR IDENTITY, OUR IDENTITY AS, AS, AS A CITY THAT CELEBRATES AND SUPPORTS ITS LOCAL MUSICAL TALENT.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING WHERE THEY HAVE GONE BACKWARDS ON THEIR PROMISE TO DO THAT.

IN FACT, THIS LAST YEAR THEY JUMPED FORWARD AND BROUGHT ON THIS, THE SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL, WHICH WAS AMAZING.

THEY DID WORKSHOPS TO HELP LOCAL MUSICIANS.

SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO, LIKE I SAID, BUILD OUR IDENTITY AS A CITY.

YES, WE HAVE A GREAT IDENTITY AS THE NATION'S OLDEST CITY, BUT WE CAN HAVE A GREAT EVENT, IDENTITY AS.

EVENTFUL CITY WITH THESE EVENTS, THESE KINDS OF EVENTS THAT THAT INFORM WHO WE ARE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY AND BEING CONCERNED ABOUT A LONG TERM COMMITMENT, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN ASK THEM TO BE OUR PARTNERS IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM THAT LONG TERM COMMITMENT BECAUSE THEY NEED TIME TO BUILD THE BRAND.

AND I THINK THAT, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE THEY'VE SHOWN US SO, SO TO BE SUCH GOOD PARTNERS AND SO TRUSTWORTHY AND SO REALLY EAGER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT, AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

I KNOW YOU HAVE, BUT I JUST I JUST CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THESE WONDERFUL YOUNG PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR THE FUTURE.

SO I AM IN A SUPPORT FOR THE TWO DAY FESTIVAL, UM, AND IS AS MANY YEARS AS THEY NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, GOING ON IT.

IF IT'S FIVE YEARS, IF IT'S TEN YEARS, IT'S A COMMITMENT.

BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THIS AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT THESE GUYS GOING WITH US, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN GOOD SHAPE.

AND I SAY, I'M SORRY, MADAM MAYOR.

WELL, SHE HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK YET.

SO YEAH, I, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH YOU.

I THINK THE ONE THING I WOULD CHANGE IS DO A LOCAL CONTRIBUTION FOR THE FUNDING.

BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A LONG TERM COMMITMENT AND I'M JUST GOING TO CALL THIS OUT.

WE'VE ADDED ANOTHER EVENT TOO.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT FLORIDA MAN IS GOING TO BRING TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S GOING TO MAKE US SPECIAL ON FRANCIS FIELD.

I'M JUST GOING TO CALL THAT OUT.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIAL, THAT IS UNIQUE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE A MULTI YEAR COMMITMENT TO IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SUBJECT.

AND MAYBE WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS FLORIDA MAN BECAUSE I'VE HAD SOME COMMENTS LIKE BURNING MAN FLORIDA MAN.

IT'S THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IS BECAUSE I'M USING THE CONTRAST.

WE HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP.

AND THIS THING CAME TO ME OUT OF LEFT FIELD.

AND I THINK FLORIDA MAN JOKES ARE AS FUNNY AS HECK, BUT I THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.

I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

I WAS JUST USING IT AS A BASIS FOR COMPARISON OF OUR THANK YOU FOR FRANCIS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT.

SO WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET THE TWO MIXED UP OKAY.

SO AT ALL.

SO IF ANYTHING IT DOT BRINGING THAT UP BEGS EVEN THE QUESTION MORE ABOUT WHAT DIRECTION DO WE WANT TO HAVE? WHAT IS OUR IDENTITY AND WHAT IS OUR POLICY AND WHO DO WE WANT? HOW DO WE EXPRESS OURSELVES THROUGH OUR SPECIAL EVENTS? SO GREAT POINT ACTUALLY.

SO. COMMISSIONER GARRIS, YOU ARE PATIENTLY WAITING.

THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY.

THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE.

AND ANYTIME ANYONE HAS AN EVENT ON THE FIELD, THEY GO BEFORE THEM, REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S YEARLY OR WHATEVER, AND THEY WILL BE YEARLY.

THAT IF THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION, THEY WILL DISCUSS THOSE CONCERNS.

AND THEN WE WOULD ASK THEM TO FIX THOSE ITEMS. SO WHEN YOU SAY, CAN IT JUST BE A YEAR? THEY ARE YEARLY MEETING WITH THE CITY STAFF THAT REPRESENT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT ALL I'S ARE DOTTED AND ALL T'S.

AND SOMETIMES MEREDITH SITS IN THERE AND OTHER PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PUBLIC RELATIONS

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PEOPLE, ALL OF THEM SIT IN THERE AND THEY DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY WITH THEIR ASSISTANCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A GROUP THAT MONITORS ANYONE THAT HAS ANYTHING ON OUR FIELDS THAT WE RENT OUT.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I ALSO AND OF COURSE I SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONE PERSON SUPPORTING THIS FOREVER.

BUT FOR BUSINESS WISE, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO LEASE SOMEBODY SOMETHING FOREVER KNOWING THAT SOMETHING NEGATIVE COULD HAPPEN.

AND HOW DO YOU RETRACT THAT? SO IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN FOR IN PERPETUITY, WE HAD TO HAVE SOME BACK OUTS, HOW TO GET OUT OF IT IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE 2 OR 3 YEARS OF SUCCESS AND THEY HAVE ONE HURRICANE, THEY'RE STARTING ALL OVER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REBRAND. THEY HAVE TO REDO ALL OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT ONE YEAR OF HURRICANE IS GOING TO PUT A BAD TASTE IN THEIR CUSTOMERS MOUTH.

SO I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO BE REAL CAREFUL.

I THINK IF WE GO FOR TWO YEARS, WE SAY YES, 24 AND 25, AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE HAD A REPORT. WE GIVE THEM 26.

THAT'S STILL TWO YEARS OUT.

THEY STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME.

SO WE'RE RENEWING IT ANNUALLY, BUT ON A TWO YEAR BASIS SO THAT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THEIR THEIR MARKETING SO THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, LET'S HOLD BACK.

WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, OR THE NEXT COMMISSION CAN DO THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

WELL THANK YOU.

UM, WHAT I PROPOSE EXCUSE ME.

WHAT I PROPOSE IS THAT WE ASK STAFF TO WORK WITH AMP WITH THE AMP ON AN MOU MOVING FORWARD, AND WE CAN EXPRESS ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR BETWEEN THE ORGANIZATION.

BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN WORK OUT.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE STAFF, UM, FACILITIES MEETING.

YOU KNOW THAT THE SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE, I KNOW WE WERE AWARE OF THAT THEY THAT THEY WORKED THROUGH THE DETAILS AND THE LOGISTICS AND THINGS.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMMITTEE.

SO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT THEY DO SUCH A GOOD JOB.

UM, SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS COMMITMENT MOVING FORWARD AND THEN AND THEN AND ASK STAFF TO BRING US BACK SOME.

YOU HEARD WHAT WE SAID ABOUT SHARING AND SOME SORT OF, UM, BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS PROCEEDS AND BRING US SOMETHING BACK THAT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE'VE EXPRESSED.

BUT I THINK THE, THE MAIN ASK TONIGHT IS THAT THEY GET OUR COMMITMENT SO THAT THEY CAN INVEST THEIR ENERGY, THEIR TIME, UM, MOVING FORWARD AT A REASONABLE, REASONABLE PERIOD.

SO WE CAN DO THAT.

THAT IS MY SUGGESTION AND THAT IS MY MOTION.

YOU WANT A SECOND? I SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. OTHER DEBATE.

COMMENTS. QUESTIONS.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. MORE DEBATE.

NO MORE DEBATE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU MORE.

OKAY. LET'S SEE.

BACK TO BUSINESS.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY, LET'S MOVE DOWN TO ORDINANCES.

[8.A.1. Ordinance 2023-33: Amends the 1977 City Employees' Retirement System pension allocation of investments to allow for greater diversification. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]

ON SECOND READING, WE HAVE ORDINANCE 2023-33.

MISS LOPEZ, YOU ARE FREE TO PRESENT.

YES, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS OR ORDINANCE 2023-33 WOULD AMEND YOUR CODE AND SPECIFICALLY THE SECTION THAT CURRENTLY LIMITS THE PERMISSIBLE RANGES OF INVESTMENTS ALLOWED BY YOUR GENERAL EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT BOARD.

SO AT THIS TIME, UNDER CODE, THEY HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS AND THE RANGE OF INVESTMENTS THAT THEY CAN SELECT.

AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED FROM YOU THAT YOU REMOVE THOSE LIMITATIONS AND SIMPLY ALLOW THEM TO INVEST IN ANYTHING THAT IS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE INVESTMENT.

AND OF COURSE, THE PENSION BOARD WOULD CONTINUE TO EXERCISE ITS INVESTMENT POLICY AND AUTHORITY WITH CARE AND PRUDENCE AND DILIGENCE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF A PROFESSIONAL FINANCIAL ADVISER.

AND SO, BEFORE YOU ON SECOND READING, IS ORDINANCE 2023-33.

RIGHT. THIS IS THE SECOND READING AND A PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE NO SPEAKER CARDS, AS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NO ONE AND HEARING NO ONE.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

COMMISSIONERS WE ARE BACK TO THE DIAS FOR DISCUSSION.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR ANYONE WILLING TO OFFER A MOTION? I MOVE WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-33 BUT READ BY TITLE ONLY.

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ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT WAS I WAS ASKING FOR A SECOND.

SO THAT WAS VICE MAYOR HORVATH MADE THE SECOND.

UM, ANY FURTHER DEBATE COMMENTS? UM, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE WAIT.

I HAVE TO READ IT. I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE RIGHT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-33, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 20, ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 2124 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE REGARDING INVESTMENT OF RETIREMENT SYSTEM ASSETS FOR THE 1977 CITY EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.

PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MOVING ON TO ORDINANCES AND FIRST READING WE HAVE ITEM NINE, A ONE ORDINANCE 2023-34.

[9.A.1. Ordinance 2023-34: Creates Section 22-168 naming an unnamed alley in the Model Land Co. St. Augustine subdivision "Kelley's Alley". (T. Grant, Director Public Works)]

MR. GRANT.

WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS TODD GRANT, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS AN ORDINANCE, A REQUEST TO NAME AN UNNAMED ALLEY.

IT'S JUST NORTH OF LEMMON STREET.

SOUTH OF ORANGE STREET.

IT WAS MADE BY KIMBERLY BOYER, WHO LIVES AT 72 LEMMON STREET.

IT'S IN HONOR OF HER DAUGHTER, KELLY, AND SHE'S REQUESTING THAT IT BE NAMED KELLY'S ALLEY. NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS.

WE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE BACK, BASICALLY SAYING, GREAT IDEA FROM 43 ORANGE STREET.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT.

QUESTIONS? MISS BOYER'S HERE.

KELLY'S MOM.

THIS. I BROUGHT THIS TO THE COMMISSION MONTHS AGO, AND SHE.

I AM SO PROUD OF HER FOR COMING BECAUSE SHE HAS REALLY WENT INTO SOMEWHAT OF A DEPRESSION. AND I GUESS YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF YOU EVER LOST A CHILD.

AND SHE EXPLAINED, AND I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO THAT OUR CITY MANAGER FORWARDED THE INFORMATION TO YOU BECAUSE SHE HAD SENT AN EMAIL AS TO WHY SHE WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN, AND HOW SHE TOOK CARE OF ANIMALS AND DID ALL THESE GREAT THINGS AND FOR WHATEVER REASON.

PEOPLE DON'T RESPOND IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO THEM.

AND THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THE SURVEYS.

IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH OR SOMETHING YOU WANT.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE IGNORE THINGS, BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO GIVE A NAME TO SOMEONE THAT WAS DEDICATED TO ANIMALS AND DEMONSTRATING KINDNESS IN THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE US SOME LIGHT, TO GIVE IT SOME JOY.

AND AGAIN, SHE HAS BEEN WAITING FOR MONTHS TO GET A RESPONSE FROM US AS THE COMMISSION.

IT'S, UM, AND I WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP, AND I'M THE ONE THAT'S BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH OUR CITY MANAGER.

WE BOTH HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO HER AND.

I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO DO FOR A GREAT REASON.

IT WOULD. IT WOULD DEMONSTRATE AN ACT OF KINDNESS TO SOMEONE THAT IS NO LONGER WITH US BY NAMING THIS ALLEY.

KELLY'S ALLEY FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE, BECAUSE OF THE PERSON WHO SHE WAS.

TWO, THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE A WAY TO IDENTIFY THIS ALLEY INSTEAD OF SAYING THE ALLEY OVER THERE BY OUR STREET.

WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE A NAME.

PUT A NAME WITH THAT ALLEY SO IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, FOR OUR POLICE STATION TO IDENTIFY WHAT AREA YOU'RE SPEAKING OF.

SO I JUST HOPE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL CONSIDER THIS.

AND THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT WHY WE WOULD DO THIS.

AND I THINK THAT WE KICK IT OFF WITH THIS.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GARRIS.

AND THEN WE REFINE OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CRITERIA IN OUR NEXT RESOLUTION MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU.

AND THIS IS REALLY PART OF A TWO PART REQUEST.

SO FOLLOWING THIS WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION.

MR. GRANT WILL GIVE US A CRITERIA.

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PROPOSITION TWO CRITERIA FOR NAMING AND RENAMING OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT.

I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I JUST WONDER HOW MANY ALLEYS ARE UNNAMED.

MOST ALLEYS ARE UNNAMED, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL NAMED ALLEYS.

A BALL ALLEY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE LIGHTHOUSE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NAMED.

THERE'S PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN MORE.

WELL, I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO NAME THE ALLEYS BECAUSE, AGAIN, FOR LOCATION PURPOSES FOR. WELL, JUST TO INTERJECT EVERY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 911 ADDRESS.

SO ALTHOUGH I DON'T AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH NAMING UNNAMED ALLEYWAYS FROM A FIRE SAFETY POLICE PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO AN ADDRESS.

NOT OH, NOT TO AN ALLEY.

YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 72.

KELLY'S ALLEY WOULD NOT BE YOUR ADDRESS.

OKAY. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THERE IS AN ALLEY BEHIND RUDY THAT IS NAMED.

I THINK IT'S NORTH OR SOUTH ALLEY, BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON IT.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS NAMED.

AND OF COURSE, I'VE RECENTLY BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS TRYING TO NAME AN ALLEY ONE BLOCK OVER, AND I DID NOT RECEIVE ENOUGH RESPONSE TO PUSH IT FORWARD.

I MEAN, WE HAD SOME NEGATIVE.

WE HAD SOME POSITIVE.

I PERSONALLY HATE TO BE THE COG IN THE WHEEL HERE.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, FOR FOR ONE REASON IS THAT I AGREE WITH THE ITEM 9B1 THAT WE WE CREATE A PROCESS FOR HOW WE NAME.

NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW KELLY.

YOU DON'T KNOW HER HISTORY.

DON'T KNOW DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHY WE WOULD PICK HER OUT OF A CROWD.

OTHER THAN THAT SHE LIVED ON THAT STREET, SO THAT SOUNDS COLD.

I KNOW, AND I'M SORRY FOR SOUNDING THAT WAY, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE OUGHT TO.

NOT HAVE SOME KIND OF CRITERIA FOR NAMING OF AN ALLEY.

AND SO I WON'T BE IN FAVOR OF THIS NAMING THIS RESOLUTION.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

I THINK YOU'VE HEARD IT.

WELL YOU HAVEN'T.

I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

THIS IS FINE WITH ME.

I'M VERY. I LOVE TO CELEBRATE ALLIES.

I THINK THEY'RE ONE OF THE GREATEST FEATURES OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT. AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT WE'VE TREATED ALLIES LIKE THE GARBAGE WHERE THE GARBAGE TRUCKS GO AND THE PICK, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WHERE YOU ENTER YOUR HOUSE FROM BEHIND AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GET PUT YOUR GARAGES BACK THERE AND YOUR GARBAGE CANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK ALLIES ARE INCREDIBLE FEATURES.

AND AS AS AN ARCHITECT, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ALLIES ARE AMAZING.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON OUR ALLEYS.

SO CAN WE JUST WE'RE IN DEBATE.

I'M SORRY. I GIVE ME ONE MINUTE.

COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC.

WOULD YOU ARE YOU AMENABLE TO HEARING.

YES, YES, YES, I'M SEEING NODDING HEADS.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST DON'T KNOW HOW.

BEFORE YOU START SPEAKING REAL QUICKLY, I THINK WE HAVE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES HERE THAN THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR. OKAY.

HI, I'M KIMBERLY BOYER.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME TONIGHT.

UM, SO MY DAUGHTER AND I LIVED THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE'RE LIFETIME RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA, BUT SHE AND I, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE ALLEY THAT'S NOT VERY PRETTY, AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT IT BUT US.

AND SHE AND I HAVE ALWAYS CLEANED IT.

WE ALWAYS WOULD GO ONCE A WEEK AND CLEAN IT.

AND THEN SHE PASSED AWAY.

AND I'VE BEEN CLEANING IT BY MYSELF EVER SINCE THEN.

AND BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS LOTS OF TRASH AND WE LOVED THE ALLEY.

AND WE ARE. WE'RE ALL FLORIDA RESIDENTS AND WE LOVE ALLEYS, AS YOU DO.

AND SO IT MEANT A LOT TO HER.

SHE LOVED IT, AND SHE WAS A REALLY GOOD GIRL AND SHE HELPED ME WITH IT.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE REALLY CARES ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SO I WOULD LOVE IT IF Y'ALL WOULD DO THIS.

AND I'M HAPPY TO PAY FOR ANY SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING.

AND I'M PLANNING MY GRANDSON'S.

WE'D WALK BACK THERE NOW AND WE TAKE CARE OF IT, AND I DON'T MIND CONTINUING TO DO THAT.

SO I THINK THAT IF ANYTHING, I'LL ENHANCE THE ALLEY, I CERTAINLY WON'T.

THE ALLEY WILL BE PRETTIER.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HEAR A MOTION? DO I HEAR A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NAME THIS ALLEY KELLY'S KELLY'S ALLEY IN MEMORY OF HER.

IT WILL BE NAMED KELLY'S ALLEY.

NOT IN MEMORY OF. BUT WE KNOW WHY IT WOULD BE NAMED THAT.

I THINK THAT IF YOU GOT THE EMAIL AND YOU READ IT FROM MS.

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BOYER MONTHS AGO, THEN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY SHE PRESSED HER WAY HERE TODAY AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NAME IT KELLY'S AVENUE ALLEY.

THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE? THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION SHOULD BE.

AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE JUST MOVING IT TO SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THIS WOULD JUST BE TO APPROVE IT ON FIRST READING.

THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO AND I DID WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT THE NUMERATION FOR THE STATUTES HAS CHANGED AS OF JULY 1ST.

AND SO WE'LL BE CORRECTING THAT FOR YOUR SECOND READING AT SECTION FIVE.

WHATEVER THE VERSION THAT WAS PUBLISHED REFERENCED 160 604 SUBSECTION FOUR.

AND THAT'S NOW BECOME SUBSECTION FIVE.

SO WE'LL BE FIXING THAT FOR SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE HERE A SECOND. SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ANY DEBATE OR DISCUSSION.

UM, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

WAIT, I'VE GOT TO READ THE SHORT TITLE.

I'LL READ THE SHORT TITLE AGAIN.

OH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-34, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. CREATING CHAPTER 22, ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 22-168 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO PROVIDE FOR THE NAMING OF A PREVIOUSLY UNNAMED ALLEY LYING IN MODEL LAND COMPANY SAINT AUGUSTINE SUBDIVISION AND BOUNDED ON THE NORTH BY BLOCK D, TO THE SOUTH BY BLOCK C, EAST OF NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND WEST OF RIBERIA STREET AS KELLY'S ALLEY, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO RESOLUTION 2023-39.

[9.B.1. Resolution 2023-39: Establishes the criteria for the naming and renaming of City owned public rights-of-ways, streets and alleyways. (T. Grant, Director Public Works)]

SO YES, THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE CRITERIA WHEN IT COMES TO NAMING EITHER THE RIGHTS OF WAY STREETS OR ALLEYWAYS.

THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN PUT IN HERE.

THE CITY CLERK HELPED BY PUTTING A LOT OF THIS TOGETHER, BUT IT IS OPEN FOR SUGGESTION.

SO IF THE COMMISSION HAS INPUT ON IF THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ANYTHING CHANGED OR ADDED, I WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT.

ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS RESOLUTION WHICH WOULD CREATE A POLICY? YES. AND THE SECTION ONE, THE SECOND BULLET, IT SAYS A PETITION SIGNED AND DATED BY AT LEAST 75% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ABUTTING THE STREET.

I THINK IT'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF WE COULD DO 75% OF THE HOMESTEADED PROPERTY OWNERS.

THE PROBLEM I HAD ON CINCINNATI WAS SO MANY OF THEM ARE AIRBNBS, AND SO MANY OF THEM ARE RENTALS. THEY WON'T RESPOND, PERIOD.

SO TRYING TO GET IN SOME STREETS, TRYING TO GET 75% IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

SOME ARE OWNED BY CORPORATIONS.

BUT IF WE JUST ADDED THE WORD 75% OF HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES.

PERFECT. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, IS THAT.

WELL, THAT'S PASSED MUSTER.

SURE. I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU MAY HAVE LONG TERM RENTERS THAT MAY FEEL EXCLUDED.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY BE A CONCERN.

I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE IS NOT TO EXCLUDE OTHER TYPES OF HOMEOWNERS.

IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE OF A CONCERN OF HAVING A ACTUAL RESPONSES THAT REACH 75% ALREADY DOES EXCLUDE RENTERS.

IT SAYS 75% OF PROPERTY OWNERS.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE RENTERS, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POLICY YOU SUPPORT OR NOT.

AGAIN, I I'M FINE EITHER WAY.

UM, THIS IS SIMPLY A MATTER OF HOW YOU ACCEPT PETITIONS.

THE CITY COMMISSION CAN ALWAYS SUE A SPONTE OR OF ITS OWN VOLITION.

NAME STREETS.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOUR MIND IS AT IN TERMS OF LONG TERM TENANTS.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLICATION OF WHEN YOU HAVE LLCS OR CORPORATIONS TO TRY AND GET A RESPONSE MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC, AND THEN YOU ESSENTIALLY STALL A POTENTIAL PETITION.

SO THAT GETS TRICKY.

UM. HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH 75%? I'LL HAVE THE CITY CLERK.

THAT'S TRUE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S QUITE A BIT.

I LOOKED A LOT. THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH BAR.

I LOOKED AT A LOT OF OTHER POLICIES THAT CITIES ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE, AND THAT WAS KIND OF THEIR STANDARD WITH 75%.

MOST I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAD THAT PROVISION.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CATCH THOUGH, JIM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK

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THE VRBO'S AND SHOULD BE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A RESPONSE.

SO. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO SURVEYING THEM, BUT THAT THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT YOU'D HAVE AT LEAST 75% OF THE HOMESTEADERS.

THE MAJORITY. THE REST, THEY MAY SAY NO, AND WE MAY CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT, THEREFORE.

BUT WE HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO GET 75% OF THE HOMESTEADED JUST TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION. AND I JUST I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLICATED, BUT FOR YOU AT ALL TO JUST KEEP IN MIND THESE WOULD BE PASSED BY ORDINANCE ANYTIME YOU NAME A STREET. RIGHT. AND AS YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO A BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT.

SO JUST FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER, IF WE CHANGE THE NAME OF A STREET THAT HAS A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES, WHETHER IT'S LLCS, HANDLING OF VRBO OR AN AIRBNB THAT MAY, WE WOULD HAVE TO TO QUANTIFY THE COSTS OF THEIR CHANGE OF ADVERTISING TO A NEW ROAD NAME.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO SOME HOMEWORK ON THE FRONT END TO DO A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE CHANGE THE NAME OF A STREET THAT HAS MANY CORPORATIONS ON IT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME AT LEAST NOMINAL COST FOR THEM TO CHANGE THEIR ADVERTISING AND POTENTIALLY BRANDING BUSINESS CARDS, THAT SORT OF THING.

LETTERHEAD. SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT, I SUPPOSE.

MY FEELING IS IT'S A GOOD START.

I MEAN, IT'S A RESOLUTION.

WE CAN MODIFY IT IF WE RUN INTO TROUBLE IN THE FUTURE WITH IT.

BUT IT'S IT'S AT LEAST IT'S GOT US A POLICY TO WORK WITH MOVING FORWARD.

SO, MADAM MAYOR, EVERYBODY HAS REALLY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT IT CHANGING SOMETHING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE AND WATCHING AT HOME.

CAN I HAVE CAN I ASK TODD TO JUST READ SECTION TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE CRITERIA FOR APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATIONS FOR NAMING STREETS AND ALLEYS? ABSOLUTELY, PLEASE.

SO SECTION TWO, IN REVIEWING NAMES FOR THE CITY OWNED RIGHTS OF WAY AND ALLEYS, CONSIDERATION SHOULD INCLUDE NEIGHBORHOOD OR GEOGRAPHICAL IDENTIFICATION, NATURAL OR GEOLOGICAL FEATURES, A PLACE OR EVENT OF HISTORICAL OR CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, A DECEASED PERSON OR PERSONS WHO HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT AND OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN NAMING AFTER A PERSON OR PERSONS.

WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION OF APPROVAL BY NEXT OF KIN TO BE HONORED, IF AVAILABLE OR POSSIBLE, IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL.

OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL.

ALL RIGHT. ARE WE OKAY WITH THIS? 75% OF HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE LOWER MYSELF.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE MAYBE 60%, BECAUSE THAT'S WAY OVER 50%.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET 75%.

I MEAN, JUST DON'T SEND STUFF BACK.

I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T EVEN SEND THE CENSUS BACK.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT HIGH VOLUME, BUT, UM, I'M GLAD YOU READ SECTION TWO, THOUGH, BECAUSE MY STREET GOT CHANGED.

MY STREET? UM, THAT STREET'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1955, AND IT WAS SCOTT STREET FOREVER.

AND THEY CHANGED MY STREET TO DR.

R.B. HALEY PLACE.

AND IT WAS KIND OF FUNNY AT THE TIME.

I DIDN'T LIVE ON THE STREET.

I WAS RENTING IT OUT AND I THOUGHT, MAN, I WENT FROM SCOTT STREET, WHICH IS REAL SIMPLE TO DR. BAILEY, YOU KNOW? AND I MEAN, HE'S DONE GREAT THINGS AND I'VE GROWN TO LOVE THAT.

BUT PEOPLE STILL CAN'T FIND THAT STREET WHEN THEY GOOGLE IT.

IT'S STILL SO, YOU KNOW.

I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO WITH 60%, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, BECAUSE EVERY HOME OWNER, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING LAND THAT DON'T LIVE HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT WITH THESE AIRBNBS, IF THEY ARE RESIDENTS, WHERE THEY GET MAIL.

BUT THEY GET MAIL WITH THEIR NAME ON IT, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY HAVE A RESPONSE.

BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING TAXES.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THAT A MOTION? OKAY. YEAH.

OKAY. I'LL SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? WELL, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

THE HOMEOWNER. THE HOMEOWNER PAYS THE TAXES, NOT THE PERSON LIVING THERE NECESSARILY.

SO ARE YOU SAYING HOMESTEADED AS WELL? YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

SO SHE WANTS TO SEND THIS CHANGE TO A PETITION SIGNED AND DATED BY AT LEAST 60% OF HOMESTEADED PROPERTY OWNERS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

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MOVE ON TO. YEAH.

SHE STEPPED OUT FOR A MINUTE.

ROXANNE HORVATH. YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

MOTION CARRIES. SO LET'S SEE.

THE NEXT ITEM IS 9B2 RESOLUTION 2023-40.

[Additional Item]

MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

RESOLUTION 2340 APPROVES FORMALLY APPROVES THE PURCHASE OF THE FLORIDA LAND FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES SIX AND A HALF ACRES OF LAND, AND IDENTIFIES THE CITY MANAGER AS THE AGENT FOR THE TRANSACTION.

THIS IS BEING REQUESTED BY THE UNDERWRITERS FOR THE TITLE INSURANCE POLICY.

OUR CLOSING IS SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY.

I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS IS AT THE LAST MINUTE.

I ASSURE YOU IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND I'M ASKING YOU TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023-40.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE DO HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE SOMETIMES AND ALLOW FOR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO THANK YOU. DID YOU GET TO HEAR THE.

OKAY? ARE YOU.

WOULD YOU CARE TO MAKE THE MOTION? THE RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION? YEAH, I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER.

OKAY, I MOVE THAT.

WE PASS RESOLUTION 2023-40.

SECOND. ANY COMMENTS? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

[10.A. Discussion regarding the Memorandum of Understanding between the City and West Augustine Gateway, LLC regarding a public parking garage at 198-212 West King Street (R.Franklin, Assistant City Manager)]

I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE ENTER THIS, I HAVE HAD A REQUEST TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM TEN. A, WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION? YES. OKAY.

WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM TEN A THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

MR. FRANKLIN.

YOU ARE FREE TO PRESENT.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

UH, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UM, WE HAVE A REVISED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND WEST AUGUSTINE GATEWAY, LLC.

THAT'S MR. [INAUDIBLE] WE'VE HEARD THIS.

THE MOU HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, IN THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AND OCTOBER MEETING, WE'VE TAKEN FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND BEFORE YOU, TONIGHT IS THE THIRD REVISION OF THE MOU.

UH, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE A CLEAN VERSION OF THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOLLOWED BY A RED LINE VERSION.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO SEE WHAT WAS ADDED OR REMOVED, YOU COULD REFERENCE THAT.

BUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SUMMARIZING IT FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THIS MOU.

IN PARAGRAPH ONE, WE HAVE A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE LAND THE CITY WILL RENT AND HAVE THE OPTION TO PURCHASE, INCLUDING SHARED ACCESS AREAS THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED IN PARAGRAPH FOUR.

WE HAVE ADDED THE OPTION TO USE CRA FUNDS FOR THE LEASE PAYMENT.

THAT DOES NOT BIND US TO USE THE CRA FUNDS IF A CRA IS CREATED IN THE WEST AUGUSTINE AREA, BUT THIS KEEPS THE OPTION OPEN.

WHEN WE GO INTO THAT PLANNING, THE COMMISSION OR AGENCY MAY DECIDE TO SPEND FUNDS IN OTHER WAYS, BUT THIS JUST KEEPS THAT OPTION AVAILABLE TO US.

IN PARAGRAPH EIGHT A THE OWNER WILL HAVE A PAYMENT AND PERFORMANCE BOND IN PLACE.

THAT'S FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

IN PARAGRAPH 8B LANGUAGE TO INDEMNIFY THE CITY OF SITE CONTAMINATION ISSUES.

IN PARAGRAPH 8E THE LEASE GROWTH RATE IS AT 2.5% ANNUALLY.

IN PARAGRAPH 8F AFTER THE INITIAL 30 YEAR TERM, THE CITY SHALL HAVE THE OPTION TO EXTEND THE GROUND LEASE FOUR TIMES AT TEN YEAR INTERVALS FOR A TOTAL OF 70 YEARS.

SO THAT GIVES US THE OPTION AT THE END OF 30 TO GO TEN YEARS OUT FOUR TIMES IF WE CHOOSE, IF THAT COMMISSION CHOOSES TO CONTINUE TO LEASE THE PROPERTY.

IN PARAGRAPH 8G, THE OWNER GRANTS THE CITY THE RIGHT OF FIRST OFFER TO BUY THE LAND.

IF THE OWNER DECIDES TO SELL THE PROPERTY DURING THE INITIAL TERM.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF MR. [INAUDIBLE] DECIDES TO SELL IT WITHIN THAT FIRST 30 YEARS, THE CITY GETS THE FIRST RIGHT OF OFFER. AND THEN FINALLY PARAGRAPH EIGHT H.

THE OWNER GRANTS THE CITY A ONE TIME OPTION TO BUY THE LAND AT FAIR MARKET VALUE AT THE EXPIRATION OF THE INITIAL TERM.

SO AT THE END OF THE 30 YEARS, THE CITY HAS THE OPTION TO BUY THE LAND.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

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AND WE ALSO HAVE MR. [INAUDIBLE] MR. PATEL AND MR. PERRY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.

AND I WAS GOING TO HAVE BARRY COME UP.

I'M GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.

PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. GREAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, ACTUALLY MAYBE.

OKAY. THINK WE'VE.

OKAY. LEAH I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

ALL RIGHT. SO IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR THIS ITEM? I KNOW MR. LIGHT SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT.

MELINDA, I'M.

WHOEVER'S HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MELINDA MCKENZIE, 86 MAGNOLIA AVENUE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK.

AS VICE MAYOR HORVATH POINTED OUT VERY WELL AT THE OCTOBER 4TH MEETING, THE WHOLE REASON THE CITY GAVE [INAUDIBLE] THE MOD ZONING WAS TO BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ON THE GARAGE.

NO ONE DENIES THE RIGHT OF A BUSINESSMAN TO MAKE PROFIT, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND FUTURE CITY COMMISSIONS.

BECAUSE OF THAT MOD ZONING, THAT PROPERTY HAS NOW BEEN ASSESSED AT FOUR TIMES THE VALUE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, AND HE CAN NOW MAKE A HUGE PROFIT SIMPLY BY SELLING THAT PROPERTY TODAY WITHOUT EVEN DEVELOPING IT.

NOT TO MENTION THE MILLIONS HE'LL MAKE ON THE NON GARAGE PORTION WHEN HE DOES DEVELOP IT. WHILE THE IDEA ALL ALONG WAS FOR THE CITY TO LEASE THE GARAGE BACK FROM [INAUDIBLE], IT WAS NEVER CONCEIVED THAT HE WOULD LEASE IT AT AN EVALUATION THAT IS FOUR TIMES WHAT THE CITY HAD IT APPRAISED AT.

WHILE [INAUDIBLE] OWNED THE PROPERTY, THE CITY OWNED THE ZONING.

WHEN THE CITY GRANTED THE MOD ZONING CHANGE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FAIR TRADE.

THIS WAS THE POINT THAT COMMISSIONER HORVATH MADE SO WELL.

HER CHARTS SHOWED HOW MUCH THE CITY IS OVERPAYING IN THIS PRESENT MOU, AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY'S ASSESSED VALUE.

THE DIFFERENCE IS MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH.

THIS SHOULD BE A NORMAL LEASE TO OWN AGREEMENT AFTER PAYING ALMOST $90,000,009 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS.

THE CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO OWN THE GARAGE AND THE LAND FOR A DOLLAR, BECAUSE THE LAND IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN LEASING OVER THE 30 YEARS TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO RENEW THE LEASE AND BUY THE LAND AT FAIR MARKET.

VALUE TO THE LAND'S HIGHEST AND BEST USE PUTS THE CITY IN WHAT COULD BE AN EXORBITANTLY HIGH LAND USE PRICE, NOT TO MENTION PURCHASE PRICE.

ACCORDING TO THE TERMS OF THE MOU.

BEFORE YOU, THE CITY HAS FIRST REFUSAL RIGHTS IN BUYING THE LAND.

THE CITY WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO MEET A NEW OFFER REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH IT WAS APPRAISED AT. THAT MEANS IF ANOTHER DEVELOPER SHOULD OFFER A HIGH PRICE WITH THE IDEA OF TEARING DOWN THE GARAGE AND REPLACING IT WITH ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL USES ALLOWED IN MOD ZONING, THEN THE NEW OWNER WOULD ONLY HAVE TO BUILD A SIMILAR NEW TWO $200 200 CAR PARKING GARAGE TO KEEP THAT ZONING TO ENSURE THAT THE PARKING THE GARAGE PROPERTY IS ALWAYS ASSESSED AT A FAIRLY.

IN THE FUTURE, HIGHEST AND BEST USE SHOULD BE CHANGED TO USE AS A PUBLIC GARAGE.

PERHAPS IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAT OUR SECOND GARAGE BE AT THE LOT ACROSS FROM DOS AND EARN THE FIRST SHUTTLE DOWN IN MARCO.

BUYING THAT PROPERTY WOULD ALSO HELP CONTROL FLOODING IN THE FLOWOOD AREA.

BECAUSE OF FDOT TEARING DOWN THE KING STREET BRIDGE, THERE'S NO HURRY TO GET THIS ONE BUILT. MAKE NO DEALS TONIGHT.

WE'RE NOWHERE HALFWAY AT THE HALFWAY POINT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL FILL OUT ANOTHER CARD.

BJ KALAIDI, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AND I DID SPEAK ON THIS, AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I WISH I'D KNOWN EARLIER BECAUSE I COULD HAVE DONE SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT WAS VERY NICE.

PARAGRAPH ONE DESCRIPTION WHERE GARAGE WILL BE SHOULD SHOW THE PARCEL NUMBER FOR 198 212 WEST KING, AND IT IS GOING TO BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AT THE FRONT WHERE THE GARAGE WITH THE AUTO SHOP IS, 194 IS NOT THE ADDRESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVENTUALLY THAT ADDRESS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE.

OH, PARAGRAPH FOUR HAS THIS.

OH, SO MR. REUBEN JUST SAID THAT THEY HAVEN'T QUALIFIED FOR A CRA, SO IT'S NOT BLIGHTED AREA YET.

AND IF NOT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING ALONG WITH WHAT MISS MELINDA SAID.

DO NOT BURDEN THE CITY'S POPULATION OF $15,000 TO PAY FOR THE GARAGE.

YOU NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WHO'S GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS? AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE DEVELOPER.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVE ANY BENEFIT FOR WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

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IT'S NOT REALLY CONCERNED THAT MUCH ABOUT THE GARAGE.

HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING A BUCK ON THAT DEVELOPMENT, THE WHOLE PROPERTY.

THAT CONCERNS ME AND 8F AND 8G SETS UP THIS AND LIKE MR. MELINDA SAID, SETS UP THIS AND FUTURE COMMISSIONS TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT ON WEST KING STREET AND WHERE THE CITY WILL FIND DOLLARS AFTER 30 YEARS TO MAINTAIN THE GARAGE.

DON'T LET THIS GO THROUGH WHERE WE CAN'T OWN THAT PROPERTY UNDERNEATH WHATEVER IS BUILT THERE. IF THAT GARAGE IS THERE, WE NEED TO HAVE RIGHTS TO THE UNDERLYING LAND WHERE IT'S SITTING THERE. NO MATTER WHAT GOES IN THERE WITH THIS DEVELOPER OR ANOTHER DEVELOPER.

THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE IN THE COUNTY, NOT IN THE CITY.

AND ONCE YOU GET THIS ONE, I KNOW I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE MR. REUBENS TOLD US WHERE THESE OTHERS ARE GOING TO BE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY OTHERS, I REALLY DON'T.

I REALLY WISH THAT THIS HAD BEEN UP BY THE INTERSECTION OF WHERE SAN MARCO GOES INTO US ONE. THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS DOWN HERE.

BUT YOU SHOULD SOMEHOW MAKE SURE THAT WE OWN THE LAND UNDERNEATH, AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT US OWNING THAT LAND WITH THAT GARAGE, SUPPOSEDLY IS GOING TO BE.

I DON'T THINK I'LL BE HERE IN 30 YEARS.

NOTHING PERSONAL.

I'M NOT GETTING.

I AM GETTING YOUNGER. BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT WAY SOMETIMES.

SO THANK YOU THOUGH, FOR ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS.

I WISH OTHER PEOPLE KNEW THAT THEY COULD TOO.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I WILL FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK.

I WASN'T PREPARED TO SPEAK, SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, SO I TRIED TYPING SOME NOTES.

QUICKLY I'D LIKE TO GIVE MY SUPPORT TO THE [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT.

THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS GOING TO FAR OUTWEIGH THE COST FOR THIS GARAGE.

THE RETURN IN PROPERTY TAXES FROM THE INCREASED VALUE ON THAT WEST SIDE WILL HELP COVER THE COSTS.

YES, THE LEASE DOES COST MORE THAN IF IT WAS BOUGHT AND BUILT BY THE CITY.

HOWEVER, THE BENEFIT OF THE LEASE IS THAT IT IS GOING TO PRESERVE YOUR CAPITAL.

YOU DON'T NEED TO RAISE CAPITAL OR LEASE ALLOWS YOU TO GET INTO THE BLACK QUICKER.

THIS IS ALSO A VERY KEY PIECE TO OUR MOBILITY.

AND I MUST SAY IN THE PCP, WE JUST FINISHED DOING AN UPDATE ON THE PARKING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS GOING TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT CREATING THE GARAGES, THE SATELLITE GARAGES.

THIS LETS US GET INTO IT QUICKLY.

IT GETS IT BUILT QUICKLY.

AND IT GETS OUR MOBILITY PLAN GOING QUICKLY.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 30 YEARS? I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, AS WE PLAN OUR MOBILITY PLAN, PART OF THAT PREDICTION IS A LOT LESS USE ON CARS.

SO WILL WE NEED AS MUCH PARKING IN THIS LOCATION IN 30 YEARS? NONE OF US KNOW AT THIS POINT.

IT COULD BE TO OUR BENEFIT THAT WE'RE NOT TIED INTO IT IN 30 YEARS.

NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE AND HOW WE'RE MOVING WITH OUR MOBILITY IN 30 YEARS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE AS DEPENDENT IN CARS, WE WILL STILL HAVE CARS.

ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE THE COUNTY WILL BE CHANGING.

OUR DEMOGRAPHICS ARE OR WHERE OUR CUSTOMERS ARE COMING FROM TO THE CITY.

OUR TOURISTS WILL BE CHANGING.

SO HAVING THAT KEY TO GET OUT IS IN 30 YEARS COULD BE A BENEFIT AND NOT MUCH AS IS NOT AS MUCH OF A COST AS WE'RE SAYING.

IT ALSO GIVES US TIME TO WORK ON OTHER SOLUTIONS.

YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT 30 YEARS, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE OTHER SATELLITE GARAGES.

IS THIS THE BEST SPOT TO DO OUR SATELLITES, IF WE'RE COUNTING, TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING IN? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

BUT IT DOES GIVE US TIME TO WORK ON THOSE OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FURTHER OUT. THE SAN MARCO IS DEFINITELY A MUCH BETTER SPOT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT. SO SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO TAKE WHAT YOU CAN AND GRAB IT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? JOHN [INAUDIBLE] SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SINCE EVERYBODY ELSE SPOKE TWICE, I'M GOING TO SPEAK TWICE.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE HOW IMPORTANT THAT THIS WILL BE FOR WEST AUGUSTINE WITH REGARDS TO THE.

TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP.

THAT'S NAÏVE.

WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM, AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON WEST KING ARE TRYING TO GET INTO THE TOWN, ARE GOING INTO TOWN FOR A PLACE TO PARK.

SO THE GARAGE IS IN AN EXCELLENT LOCATION, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT SAN MARCO OR ANOTHER LOCATION ALL YOU WANT.

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THIS LOCATION IS HERE.

IT'S RIGHT NOW AND THEY CAN GET STARTED ON IT TOMORROW.

AND LIKE I SAID, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE OTHER ARGUMENTS ARE JUST NAÏVE.

YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON WEST KING AND WHAT THIS WILL DO FOR WEST KING, WEST AUGUSTINE.

THIS WILL BE A HUGE PLUS FOR THAT PART OF TOWN, AND THAT PART OF TOWN COULD USE A BOOST, QUITE FRANKLY.

AND THIS WILL DO THAT.

SO AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING YOUR VOTE, KEEP WEST AUGUSTINE IN MIND WITH THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A POSITIVE PROJECT FOR THAT PART OF TOWN THAT NEEDS IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED, MR. [INAUDIBLE] MR. MR. FRANKLIN, WERE YOU DID YOU WANT MR. [INAUDIBLE] TO COME AND TALK TO US? YEAH, I BELIEVE HE WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO.

YES, SPEAK.

I THINK WE HAD ASKED HIM A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

MAYBE HE'S HERE TO ANSWER THEM.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SPEAK? EXCUSE ME, MADAM MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SPEAK FIRST OR ANSWER QUESTIONS FIRST? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

I'M STILL I'M STILL INTERESTED IN SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AS A COMMISSION TO LOWERING THAT INITIAL RENTAL PRICE, THE LEASE PRICE FROM $300,000 TO START THE YEAR.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T MAKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE TOTAL COST, BUT IT DOES MAKE SOME. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A JUST ANOTHER PLUS FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.

YES. SO I WAS GOING TO INCLUDE THAT IN MY SPIEL, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO ADDRESS THAT NOW.

I'M SURE IT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

THE $300,000 PER YEAR WAS BASED ON AN APPRAISAL WE DID.

THE APPRAISAL WOULD PROBABLY BE HIGHER NOW BASED ON RECENT SALES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON WEST KING STREET.

WE APPRAISED OUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $1.6 TO $1.8 MILLION PER ACRE.

PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY SELLING AT OVER $2 MILLION PER ACRE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PUD.

IF WE WENT BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL ZONING, THOSE WOULD BE THE PRICES WE WOULD BE EXPECTING FOR THAT PROPERTY.

THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD, I HAVE LISTENED.

I HAVE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS.

THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE MAKE TO THE MOU IS GOING FROM $300,000 PER YEAR TO $275,000 PER YEAR.

THAT WILL REDUCE MY NET OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD BY OVER $1 MILLION.

YEAH. SO? DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

MADAM MAYOR OTHER QUESTIONS? [INAUDIBLE].

YOU HAVE COMMENTS AFTER THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY. MR. [INAUDIBLE], YOU'RE FREE TO PRESENT.

THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND CONSIDERATION OVER THE MONTHS AND LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT.

DOING A GARAGE HERE IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL IS GOOD FOR THE CITY.

I COULD HAVE DONE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WITH THIS PROPERTY, AND I'D LIKE TO LEAVE MY FAMILY'S MARK IN A POSITIVE WAY.

OBVIOUSLY WE NEED PARKING.

THE LOCATION IS TERRIFIC FOR IT, BUT IT ALSO WILL HELP REESTABLISH WEST KING STREET AS A VIBRANT COMMUNITY ONCE AGAIN.

OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAVE ON WEST KING STREET, HAD WEST KING STREET WEDNESDAYS, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO COME OUT, PLEASE DO.

IT'S EVERY THIRD WEDNESDAY.

WE'LL HAVE ONE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

AND THIS YEAR WE WILL HAVE EVERYTHING FROM ENTERTAINMENT WITH WITH SINGING.

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THERE'S GOING TO BE A FUNDRAISER AT BOGGS FOR A CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE NEEDY FOR THANKSGIVING DINNERS.

THE BUSINESSES GET A CHANCE TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER.

IT HAS BEEN AMAZING TO SEE JUST HOW MUCH PRIDE THERE IS ON WEST KING STREET, AND WE ONLY GET TO DO THIS ONE NIGHT OUT OF THE MONTH.

WITH A GARAGE WE BECOME A VIABLE PART OF SAINT AUGUSTINE EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK.

SO ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE ON WEST KING STREET, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS PROJECT IS TO ALL OF US.

REUBEN HAS ALREADY GONE OVER A LOT OF THESE POINTS, BUT AND I ALMOST FEEL LIKE I'M BEING REDUNDANT.

I MEAN, I DIDN'T WANT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY.

I WANTED IT TO STAY IN MY FAMILY FOREVER.

WE ESTABLISHED OURSELVES AT SOME POINT AFTER WORLD WAR TWO ON THAT PROPERTY.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW MUCH I DO LISTEN TO WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR ME TO MAKE CONCESSIONS TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS A WIN FOR THE CITY.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT IS.

UM. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? WELL, I WOULD.

THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.

UNLESS WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE, SO DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

ALL RIGHT. WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? I'LL START. UM, PROBABLY PROBABLY BEEN THE MOST DIFFICULT ONE ON THE BOARD SO FAR.

PROBABLY CONTINUE TONIGHT.

UM, I'D FIRST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECT GO FORWARD.

I THINK IT THE SITE WILL SUPPORT WEST AUGUSTINE, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT.

THE BUSINESSES THERE AND AND IT ALSO FURTHERS OUR MOBILITY PLANS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A LONG TIME.

I STILL THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IT COMES DOWN TO THE NUMBERS OF THIS DEAL.

IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE PROPERTY.

OUR EVALUATION FOR THE PROPERTY WAS $1.68 MILLION FOR TWO ACRES, AND THEIRS WAS $4.6 MILLION. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH AN AGREED UPON METHODOLOGY AND AN AGREED UPON PRICE, BECAUSE THAT NUMBER IS THE NUMBER THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE LAND RENTAL AMOUNT. WHICH STARTED AT $300,000 PER YEAR WITH AN INCREASE OF 2.5% EVERY YEAR.

WE'VE WORKED WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE] IN GOOD FAITH.

ALLOWING THE INCREASED ZONING FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH WILL TRANSLATE INTO MAJOR PROFITS FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] FAMILY.

AND THAT'S GREAT.

WE ARE AGREEING TO BUILD THE PARKING GARAGE AND PAY FOR BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE RENTAL OF LAND FOR OVER FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

YEAH, THAT'S A BIG COMMITMENT THAT WE ARE COMMITTING OURSELVES AND FUTURE COMMISSIONERS TO FULFILL FOR 30 YEARS.

AT THE END OF THIS TIME, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO PURCHASE THE LAND UNDER THE GARAGE THAT WE RECEIVE OWNERSHIP OF AFTER 30 YEARS, WE RECEIVE OWNERSHIP OF THE GARAGE AFTER 30 YEARS. BUT THEN WE'RE ALLOWED TO PAY MARKET VALUE FOR THE LAND UNDER THE GARAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING ON FOR 30 YEARS.

IT A WILD GUESS COULD BE $6 TO $10 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE AT THAT TIME, BUT IT'LL BE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS TO MR. [INAUDIBLE]. DURING THE BUILDING OF THE GARAGE, MR. [INAUDIBLE] CAN DEPRECIATE THE GARAGE.

WE DON'T OWN THE GARAGE.

WE CAN'T TAKE ANY DEPRECIATION ON THAT.

WE'RE ALSO COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING AND RUNNING THE GARAGE, WHICH IS AN EXPENSE TO THE CITY. BECAUSE WE ARE INVESTING IN THE PROJECT.

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IT SHOULD GIVE HIM EASIER ACCESS AND RATES TO CREDIT, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THIS MAJOR INVESTMENT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T EVEN OWN FOR 30 YEARS.

THE BUILDING AND WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY UNTIL WE PAY ADDITIONAL.

OVER THE 30 YEARS WE WILL THE WAY THIS IS CURRENTLY SET UP BE PAYING.

UH, CLOSE TO $13 MILLION FOR THE RENTAL OF THE PROPERTY.

$13 MILLION FOR THE RENTAL OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE CURRENTLY SAY IS $1.68 MILLION.

EXCUSE ME. IS THAT WHAT THE $275 THAT HE JUST BROUGHT FORWARD? OR THE $300 MILLION LEFT? $12 MILLION? OKAY, SO BUT I'M BASING THIS ON WHAT'S IN OUR PACKAGE.

$300,000. OKAY, SO $13 MILLION PLUS, IS IT 10 OR IS IT $12 MILLION? WE PAY AT FAIR MARKET VALUE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR THE BUILDING OF THE GARAGE, WE ARE PAYING ABOUT $76.5 MILLION TO BUILD THAT GARAGE.

AND TO RENT THE PROPERTY $13 MILLION AND TO BUY THE PROPERTY $6 TO $10 MILLION, OVER $100 MILLION FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THE GARAGE ON IT.

THE BEST THAT I CAN VOTE FOR WOULD BE TO OWN THE PROPERTY.

RENT TO OWN THE PROPERTY AND NOT PAY THE ADDITIONAL $6-10 MILLION AT THE END OF 30 YEARS. THAT'S MY PROPOSAL ON ON THIS.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH I DO. WE'VE HAD SOME NICE EMAILS FROM SOME OF OUR LOYAL EMAILERS, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEM BEING ACTIVE AND RESPONDING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ABOUT SOME OF THEM. I DON'T VIEW THIS AS A RESIDENTS VERSUS BUSINESS DECISION.

A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS ONLY TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES, AND WE ARE SUPPORTING BUSINESSES IN WEST AUGUSTINE AND ALSO DOWNTOWN.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN I'VE BEEN CRYING AS A CITIZEN BEFORE.

I WAS ON THE COMMISSION, I RAN FOR THE COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM.

WE HAVE A TRAFFIC AND PARKING PROBLEM.

THIS IS A SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THAT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS, BUT BY CREATING THIS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST MADE AN EFFORT TO TRY TO DO WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD US TO DO FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.

THE PURCHASE PRICE PROCESS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE PROPOSAL AND ALL THE OTHER PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY OTHER PEOPLE.

IS A GAMBLE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.

TO QUOTE $6 OR $10 MILLION.

IS LOGIC FOR TODAY.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE IN 30 YEARS.

WE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, CARS MAY NOT BE LIKE THEY ARE NOW.

I MEAN, I'M STILL HOPING THAT WHEN I'M NOT ABLE TO DRIVE, I CAN CALL A MAGIC NUMBER AND AN AUTOMATIC CAR COMES TO MY HOUSE AND PICKS ME UP.

I'M COUNTING ON IT.

SO 30 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S A REALLY VIABLE POTENTIAL.

SO THERE WON'T BE A NEED FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE INTO TOWN.

THEY'LL HAVE CARS THAT WILL MOVE EVERYBODY.

SO WE HAVE NO IDEA.

SO THEREFORE, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE VALUE OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS GOING TO BE IN 30 YEARS OR THE LAND UNDERNEATH IT.

IF WE WERE TO BUY PROPERTY ON SAN MARCO NOW AND BOND IT AND BUILD A GARAGE OURSELVES, WE WOULD TIE UP OUR ABILITY TO BORROW MONEY FOR THE FUTURE.

BY HAVING THIS AS A LEASE PURCHASE.

WE'RE NOT BUYING UP OUR POTENTIAL TO BUILD ANOTHER GARAGE ON SAN MARCO BY BONDING IT OURSELVES AND PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND BUILDING OURSELVES.

SO IN TEN YEARS, FIVE YEARS, WHEN WE WANT THE ONE IN SAN MARCO, WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO BORROW THE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALREADY COMMITTED TO A 30 YEAR BOND WITH THE PARKING GARAGE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN NEGOTIATIONS AND PEOPLE HAVE SAID, YOU GOT TO GET IN AND NEGOTIATE.

NEGOTIATIONS IS NOT GETTING EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT.

NEGOTIATION IS ABOUT GETTING WHAT YOU CAN LIVE WITH.

MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS NOT GETTING WHAT HE WANTS, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING WHAT WE WANT.

BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH.

ONE THING THAT I AM ENCOURAGED BY IS THAT THIS IS NOT COMMITTING THEORETICALLY.

AND WE TRUST REUBEN, AND WE TRUST DAVID, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE ASSISTANT MANAGER, AND MEREDITH. THIS IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY PARKING.

THIS IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY TOURISTS.

IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A PROFIT CENTER LIKE PARKING IS TODAY.

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SO I DON'T SEE THAT WE'RE COMMITTING FUTURE AD VALOREM TAXES OR PRIVATE CITIZENS IN FUNDING THIS, UNLESS THERE'S A REAL PROBLEM WITH TOURISM, WHICH SOLVES THE PARKING PROBLEM ANYWAY.

AND AT THE END OF 30 YEARS, IF WE DON'T WANT THAT GARAGE BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT ANYMORE, WE STILL HOLD THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT GARAGE.

WHOEVER BUYS THAT PROPERTY OR IF THE [INAUDIBLE] WANT TO LEASE IT, TAKE BACK THE LEASE AND DO SOMETHING.

WE STILL OWN THE GARAGE.

THEY CAN'T TEAR IT DOWN UNTIL WE SELL IT TO THEM.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME VALUE 30 YEARS FROM NOW.

IT MAY NOT BE WORTH ANYTHING, BUT IT'S IN THEIR WAY AND WE STILL OWN THAT.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW I'M UNLESS I GET CONVINCED OTHERWISE I'M OKAY WITH THE CURRENT 2.5% STARTING AT $275 AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GARAGE.

OKAY THEN. WHO ELSE? I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF.

I KNOW THIS WILL SURPRISE YOU, BUT I HAVE SAID PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING I, QUESTIONED BEFORE, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD ON ALL OF HIS POINTS.

I GOT MY ANSWERS, AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] AND HIS TEAM WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.

BUT THEY HAVE COME AROUND AND THEY'VE MADE CONCESSIONS.

WE'VE MADE CONCESSIONS, AND I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL COMPONENT OF OUR MOBILITY PLAN.

WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOU.

COMMISSIONER GARRIS. UM.

WELL. I LIKE.

I HAD A WHILE BACK I MET WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE], HIM AND HIS TEAM, AND I GOT HIM TO DECREASE FROM 3%.

2.5%.

AND WE I KNOW WHEN I CAME FROM MY MEETINGS WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THEY WERE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE LAWYERS, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ACCOMMODATE ALL THE REQUESTS THAT THE OTHER, MY FELLOW COMMISSION HAD CONCERNS TRYING TO CRITIQUE IT TO WHERE WE WOULD ALL BE IN AGREEMENT.

I DO RESPECT MR. [INAUDIBLE] FROM HIM WANTING TO OWN THAT LAND FOREVER, THAT HE CHANGED THAT NARRATIVE TO SELLING IT TO THE CITY.

I ALSO ASK QUESTIONS LIKE HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR CURRENT PARKING GARAGE? AND I WAS TOLD TEN YEARS IF WE LET IT GO OUT AS FULL TERM, AND THAT WE HAD BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING MONEY OFF OF THAT, WE HAD PUSHED IT OUT FURTHER.

SO CONSIDERING THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE PAID OFF IN TEN YEARS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE OF HAVING TO DO THAT, THE [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT WILL PROBABLY BE IN FULL FORCE IN THE BLACK AS SOON AS THAT GARAGE IS PAID OFF.

SO I DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH WE'LL BE WEIGHTED DOWN.

I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PROPERTIES ON THE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE I STAY WOKE ON THE WEST SIDE THAT ARE SELLING FOR $1 MILLION A PIECE, AND THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT EVEN OPEN.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN THEY'RE JUST NOTHING.

AND PEOPLE ARE EXCITED.

PEOPLE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT THEY SEE THAT'S GETTING READY TO EMERGE ON THE WEST SIDE.

I'M REAL EXCITED THAT THE BLUE HEN IS COMING TO THE WEST SIDE STARTING IN JANUARY.

SO PEOPLE ARE GETTING THAT MOMENTUM BACK, EXCITEMENT.

AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THE CRA AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND US BUYING THAT LAND ON FLORIDA AVENUE.

THE WEST SIDE FEELS RELEVANT AGAIN, AND I THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE STAND IN UNISON WITH ME ABOUT AS FAR AS THE WEST SIDE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN GET THE PARKING, WE CAN GET THE MOMENTUM, WE CAN GET IT BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY KEEP DELAYING, DELAYING, DELAYING IS FURTHER OUT THAT IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY MATERIALIZE.

AND ALSO ONCE THAT IS ESTABLISHED, THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GET AMTRAK GOING ON OVER IN THAT SECTION OF THE WEST SIDE.

SO I LOOK AT OUR FUTURE AS BEING BRIGHT.

I LOOK AT OUR FUTURE AS HAVING HOPE NOT JUST FOR THE WEST SIDE, BUT FOR US AS A CITY, THAT

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WE HAVE ALTERNATIVES AND THAT WE ARE GROWING, AND WE ARE PART OF THAT GROWTH BY THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE.

WE MAKE OUR CITY BETTER, WE MAKE OUR CITY STRONGER.

AND WE DO THIS BY MAKING GREAT DECISIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, I CAN READ THE TEA LEAVES, SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I NECESSARILY AGREE WITH WHAT ALL THAT'S BEEN SAID AT THIS TABLE.

CERTAINLY A LOT HAS BEEN SAID OVER THESE LAST YEARS.

FRANKLY, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.

WE'VE JUST HEARD THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR THE LAST SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THREE MONTHS.

SO I AM ALSO HERE NOT REPRESENTING WHAT I WANT, OR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHAT I REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND I AM HERE TO DO A JOB.

AND THAT JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS OF SAINT AUGUSTINE PRESENT AND FUTURE, AND THE ONES THAT ARE NOT IN THIS ROOM, THE ONES THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM, THE ONES THAT ARE NOT IN THIS ROOM THAT WE DON'T HEAR FROM, TO DO THEM RIGHT, TO GET THEM THE BEST DEALS POSSIBLE.

NOW, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE BEST DEAL POSSIBLE, BUT I DO SEE THE TEA LEAVES.

I'M NOT EXACTLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT, BUT I SEE YOU'RE READY TO GIVE GIVE IN FOR THIS.

THIS IS THE BEST OFFER THAT MR. [INAUDIBLE] HAD.

WE ASKED HIM.

WE SAID, THE BALL'S IN YOUR COURT.

THIS IS WHAT HE BROUGHT BACK.

AND IF YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THAT, I'M STILL NOT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US.

UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER DOING JUST A LITTLE TINY BIT OF RESEARCH ON THESE SORTS OF DEALS THAT CITIES GET INVOLVED IN THESE PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS, MANY OF THEM, IT'S IN FACT, IT'S STATED AS STANDARD PRACTICE AT THE END OF THE LEASE TERM, JUST LIKE VICE MAYOR SAID, IT'S A LEASE TO OWN.

THEY BUY THE LAND, THEY GET THE LAND, THE LESSEE GETS THE LAND FOR A DOLLAR.

SO AND THAT'S JUST STANDARD.

SO YEAH.

SO I DON'T SEE THE DEAL YET.

I DON'T THINK I'M READY TO SAY YES.

IT'S OKAY THAT THIS IS NOT OKAY FOR ME.

I APPRECIATE MR. [INAUDIBLE] WORKING REALLY HARD.

I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT.

IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG SLOG OVER LOTS OF YEARS.

I THINK WE HAVE A VERY LONG WAY TO GO WITH OUR PARTNER BARRY [INAUDIBLE] AND HIS FAMILY.

BUT I'M NOT. I'M NOT HIGH ON THIS DEAL.

IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

BUT I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

SO, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE WE ACCEPT THE REVISED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND WEST AUGUSTINE GATEWAY, LLC.

WITH THE CHANGES ON EXHIBIT B, REFERENCING THE CONCEPTUAL RENT SCHEDULE OF THE LAND LEASE BEGINNING AT $275 AND MOVING FORWARD AT 2.5% FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE 30 YEARS.

UM. THAT'S IT.

I SECOND. OKAY.

ANY OTHER FINAL DEBATE OR DISCUSSION? COMMENTS? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT, THAT IS DONE.

LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

LOST MY PLACE.

THERE GOES HALF THE ROOM.

OKAY. SO GIVE ME JUST ONE MINUTE.

AND WE WILL KEEP MOVING.

OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM UPDATE REGARDING THE

[10.B. Update regarding the City's Code Enforcement Program and Short-Term Rental Program. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM.

MISS SKINNER. THANK YOU.

YES. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AS OF SEPTEMBER 25TH, THE CITY COMMISSION REQUESTED AN UPDATE OF THE CITY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM AND THE CITY'S SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM.

CURRENTLY, THE BUILDING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISIONS ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND ARE DIRECTLY SUPERVISED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER.

THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WITHIN THIS DIVISION ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S CODES AND ORDINANCES REGARDING VIOLATIONS CONCERNING

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REAL PROPERTY.

THIS INCLUDES RESPONDING TO CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AND WORKING WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS TO GAIN COMPLIANCE.

WE HAVE HAD AN OFFICER RETIRE RECENTLY.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING APPLICATIONS FOR THIS POSITION, AS WELL AS DEVELOPING A NIGHTLIFE OFFICER POSITION.

THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ALSO REVIEW AND INSPECT SEVERAL SPECIFIC PERMIT APPLICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY LIMITS.

ONE OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IS ALSO SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO FOCUS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. CURRENTLY, THE FEE COLLECTED RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTAL REGISTRATIONS DOES COVER THE EXPENSES OF THE PROGRAM, AND THIS FEE AND REVENUES ARE LOOKED AT ANNUALLY AS PART OF THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT STATE STATUTES PREEMPT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO LIMIT OR REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS WITHIN THE CITY.

HOWEVER, THE CITY DOES HAVE SOME REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

THE CITY IS LIMITED TO ENFORCING THESE ISSUES THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN THE CITY CODE.

WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A FIRM THAT HELPS TO REGISTER AND MONITOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT THE SYSTEM DOES HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS.

WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS, AND WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN A REALTOR EDUCATION PROGRAM ON NOVEMBER 30TH WITH THE BOARD OF REALTORS.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY APPROXIMATELY 744 SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS REGISTERED FOR 2023, WITH A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 6,668 RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

THE REGISTERED SHORT TERM RENTALS THEN EQUALS ABOUT 11% OF THE CITY'S HOUSING UNITS.

THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER ARE ALSO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD.

THIS IS A CITIZEN BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO HEAR CASES AFTER COMPLIANCE DRIVEN EFFORTS HAVE FAILED.

THE BOARD HEARS VARIANCES TO THE CITY'S FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE AND IS DESIGNATED AS THE LOCAL ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR AN APPEALS FOR THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND THE FIRE PREVENTION CODE, AS WELL AS JUST RECENTLY DESIGNATED AS THE LOCAL NUISANCE BOARD.

WITH THAT RICHARD SCHAULAND, THE CITY'S BUILDING OFFICIAL, IS HERE TO COMMENT BRIEFLY ON THE ROLE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND BARRY FOX, THE CITY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER, IS ALSO HERE TO WALK YOU THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION.

WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS, I'M BUDDY SCHAULAND I'M THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A PRESENTATION RELATED TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.

WE'D LIKE TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND THE RESIDENTS, SO THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW CODE ENFORCEMENT WORKS.

CHAPTER 162 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO CREATE A CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND TO TURN AND IN TURN AUTHORIZES OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

THIS CHAPTER ALSO DIRECTS THE ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTORS. FOR EXAMPLE THE STATUTE STATES THAT IF WE FIND A VIOLATION THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE THE RESPONDENT REASONABLE TIME A MINIMUM OF FIVE DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. BECAUSE OF THIS, THE COMPLAINT MAY THINK THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO ANYTHING, BUT WE ACTUALLY ARE.

OUR MISSION IS TO BRING VIOLATORS INTO COMPLIANCE AND THIS PROCESS MAY TAKE SOME TIME. CHAPTER 162 ALSO IDENTIFIES WHO MAY BE DESIGNATED AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

THIS WOULD BE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTORS WHO WORK FOR ME, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE STAFF, CIVIL CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS, THE FIRE MARSHAL AND HER INSPECTOR AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, TO NAME A FEW.

THIS CHAPTER IS WHAT ALLOWS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENFORCE OUR CITY'S CODES AND ORDINANCES. THIS CHAPTER ALLOWS VIOLATIONS THAT HAPPEN ON PROPERTIES TO BE TAKEN TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, AND VIOLATIONS THAT ARE CAUSED BY INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE TO BE TICKETED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THESE TICKETS ALLOW FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR CITIZENS.

THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION FROM THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTORS CAN HANDLE AND WHAT WOULD NEED TO GO TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE EASY WAY TO REMEMBER IT IS IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ON REAL PROPERTY, THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTOR.

IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON, THAT'D BE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE ARE STRIVING TO BETTER COORDINATE WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY TO ASSIST AND

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GAIN COMPLIANCE WITH REGARD TO VIOLATIONS.

THIS CAN THIS CAN EXCUSE ME.

THIS CAN INCLUDE THE POLICE RESPONDING TO THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE, BUT US FOLLOWING UP THROUGH OUR PROCESS TO HOLD THE PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEIR TENANTS DO.

THIS STRATEGY GETS THE IMMEDIATE RESULT RESOLUTION FOR COMPLAINANTS AND POSSIBLY A LONG TERM RESOLUTION RESOLUTION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.

WE'VE SEEN THIS WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE FACING FINES FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, AND THEN THEY TURN TURNED AROUND, AND THEN THEY WENT AND HANDLED THE THEIR TENANT TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.

THE INTER-DEPARTMENT COOPERATION HAS BEEN WORKING AND HAS SEEN SOME POSITIVE RESULTS.

BARRY FOX WILL NOW WALK YOU THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU.

AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

MAYOR VICE MAYOR COMMISSIONERS.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND TO SET THIS UP, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

SO. AND I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON ME, SO.

I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.

OKAY. SO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IS CONSISTS OF ONE MANAGER, ONE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, THREE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, ONE OF WHICH YOU JUST APPROVED THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. IT'LL BE A STRICTLY NIGHT TIME THAT PARTICULAR THOSE PARTICULAR JOB DUTIES ARE STILL BEING WORKED OUT, AS I UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT ONE HAS NOT BEEN HIRED YET.

SO WITH THAT RETIREMENT, WE'RE DOWN TO TWO RIGHT NOW.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

ONE IS FOCUSED STRICTLY ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AND DOES SOME AND DOES SOME ASSISTING IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AREA.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE HOMELESS OUTREACH WORKER THAT WILL BE PART TIME TO HELP US WITH OUR THE HOMELESS EFFORT THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION. THE CORE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT, SHORT TERM RENTAL MANAGEMENT, HOMELESS OUTREACH AND ASSISTANCE WITH NATURAL DISASTERS AND RESPONSE.

SEVERAL INSPECTIONS.

NOT ONLY DO WE DO PROACTIVE PATROL THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IN THE MORNING WE LOAD UP ALL COMPLAINTS THAT OCCUR.

THE OFFICERS GET THOSE ASSIGNED TO THEM THROUGH A SYSTEM CALLED CITY WORKS.

SO THEY'LL HAVE THEIR THEIR COMPLAINTS FOR THAT MORNING.

THEY'LL ALSO HAVE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE PENDING THAT THEY'RE WORKING BECAUSE, AS MR. SCHAULAND EXPLAINED, THAT WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE NOTICE THAT THERE'S A VIOLATION, WE HAVE TO GIVE A TIME FRAME FOR COMPLIANCE.

THAT TIME FRAME IS PUT ON A SCHEDULER.

SO ON TODAY I MAY BE GOING OUT AND WORKING NEW CASES, BUT THEY MAY ALSO BE GOING OUT DOING RE INSPECTIONS ON THINGS THAT OCCURRED TEN DAYS AGO.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS A SCHEDULER AND WE'RE ALWAYS KIND OF BACKTRACKING.

BUT INSPECTIONS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO US THROUGH PERMITTING PROCESSES THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE DO FENCE INSPECTIONS.

AND THOSE ARE EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN FOR FENCE INSPECTIONS.

WE DO THE INSPECTIONS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'VE BEEN ERECTED IN THE MANNER IN WHICH PLANNING TOLD THEM TO ERECT IT.

THE SETBACKS ARE CORRECT.

THE HEIGHTS ARE CORRECT.

IF THE HEIGHTS ARE NOT CORRECT, WE DENY IT.

THEY HAVE TO FIX IT.

IF THEY DON'T FIX IT, WE'LL BRING IT TO A BOARD HEARING.

AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO EITHER REQUEST A VARIANCE OR GET DENIED THERE. AND THEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE WILL CARRY ON.

WE DO SIGN INSPECTIONS.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT A SIGN INSPECTION TODAY.

SO AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT LATER.

BUT SIGNS ABOVE THE SECOND FLOOR BY CODE.

CORRECT. OKAY.

BUT I'M SURE WE'LL BE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM.

I BELIEVE THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY UNDER A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION BECAUSE OF THE SIGN.

SO WE DO TREE INSPECTIONS.

THAT IS WHERE PERMITS ARE PUT IN TO TAKE DOWN TREES.

NOT TREES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE PLANNING PERMITTING OF A HOUSE, BUT TREES THAT HAVE THAT AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO TAKE BECAUSE IT HAS DECAYED, OR THEY BELIEVE IT'S DECAYED OR IT'S BREAKING UP THEIR SIDEWALK OR THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY WANT TO TAKE IT DOWN. WE GO OUT, WE DO THE INSPECTION.

IF IT MEETS A SLOT SIZE, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO APPROVE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY.

BUT IF IT HITS A CERTAIN DVH DIAMETER, BREAST HEIGHT, KIND OF SIZE, WE HAVE TO REFER IT BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING FOR APPROVAL.

SO NOW THAT ONLY MEANS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UP THERE IS HOW MANY WE DID THIS YEAR.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE.

OUTSTANDING. OKAY.

WE ONLY GO OUT TO THEM WHEN THEY, EXCEPT FOR THE TREE INSPECTIONS, WE ONLY GO OUT TO THEM WHEN THEY CALL TO SAY MY FENCE IS UP AND PLEASE COME INSPECT IT.

THE TREE INSPECTIONS ARE DONE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

THE SERVICE REQUEST SERVICE REQUESTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 IS 497.

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SO THAT NUMBER IN 2022, IT WAS 568.

THERE'S TWO REASONS FOR THAT ONE MS. KALAIDI WAS NOT WELL, A COUPLE OF MONTHS, SO SHE WAS OUT OF DUTY FOR ME.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS, THAT THE LAW CHANGED AND SHE'S MY HARDEST WORKING EMPLOYEE BACK THERE. AND THE LAW CHANGED AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCEPT ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS ANYMORE.

SO THAT REALLY AFFECTED THE WAY THAT PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO COMPLAIN THINGS.

NOW, THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN ACCEPT AN ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT IF THE DAMAGE IS GOING TO HAVE A RISK TO OUR NATURAL RESOURCES OR THINGS LIKE OR BE IRREPARABLE, IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, WE CAN GO OUT.

IF WE FIND THAT THE COMPLAINT KIND OF QUALIFIES FOR THAT.

WE CAN GO OUT AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE ANONYMOUS AND REPORT THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR IS DOING SOMETHING IN HIS BACKYARD, IT'S THE FLORIDA LAW PROHIBITS IT NOW.

AND THAT LAW CHANGED.

OKAY. SO THERE'S THERE'S REASONS WHY THAT CLICKED DOWN CASES.

WE HAVE REALLY WITH THE NEW REPORT WRITING SYSTEM, I'M ABLE TO ACTUALLY REVIEW CASES A LOT BETTER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CROSSING ALL OUR T'S AND DOTTING OUR I'S AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THESE CASES.

AND THE OTHER PURPOSE FOR THOSE GOING UP IS THE SUPPORT FOR OTHER DIVISIONS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE'RE DOING NOW, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

WE IMMEDIATELY, IF THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH A WITH A BUSINESS LIKE GREASE TRAPS AND ILLICIT DISCHARGE, THEY CALL US IMMEDIATELY.

IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY GO TO A CASE.

IT WILL NOT REFLECT IN A SERVICE REQUEST.

SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE NEVER GOING TO ADD UP.

OKAY. IF SOMEONE IS BUILDING OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THEIR BUILDING PERMIT OR BUILDING WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT, THAT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO A CASE DOES NOT GO TO A SERVICE REQUEST. SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THE FIRE MARSHAL, IF SHE DOES AN INSPECTION AND AND SOMEONE FAILS, SHE COMES TO US AFTER WORKING WITH THEM AND SAYS THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT WORKING WITH ME IMMEDIATELY TO A CASE IMMEDIATELY GET NOTICED.

SO THAT'S WHY THE CHANGES IN THE NUMBERS WILL BE DIFFERENT.

SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SLIDE.

OKAY. WE ALSO DO NATURAL DISASTER RESPONSE.

IN 2023, WE HAD HURRICANE NICOLE.

ON NOVEMBER 7TH, WE DO PRE-STORM INFORMATION DISTRIBUTION.

WE DO CONSTRUCTION SITE PREPAREDNESS ASSURANCE, WHICH IS GOING AROUND TRYING TO GET ALL THE CONSTRUCTION SITES TO BUTTON UP SO THAT FLYING DEBRIS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS KEPT TO A MINIMUM.

AND WE DO POST-STORM DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE COME OUT WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, BECAUSE WE WALK EVERY F LOODED STREET AND WE TALKED TO ALMOST EVERY FLOODED HOME AND WE ASSESS FROM A 10,000 FOOT LEVEL, THE DAMAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE HOMES IN REFERENCE TO THE FEMA.

PAPERWORK. AND THAT IS THROUGH A PROGRAM THAT WE DOWNLOAD EVERY TIME THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT RIGHT THERE ON OUR PHONES.

AND WE'RE UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S WE'RE GETTING PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

SO WE HAD HURRICANE IDA, BUT WE ONLY ENDED UP DOING PRE STORM INFORMATION DISTRIBUTION AND CONSTRUCTION SITE PREPAREDNESS FOR THOSE.

WE HAD NO RESPONSE TO THAT ONE.

ANY QUESTIONS? NEW RULES.

WE'VE INCORPORATED THE HOMELESS OUTREACH PROGRAM WITH US, WHICH IF YOU'RE AROUND, WE RECENTLY HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL HOMELESS SURVEY.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS OVER 800 RESPONSES TO THAT HOMELESS EFFORT RESPONSE, AND WE'RE ALSO WILL BE TAKING OVER THE FAMILY REUNIFICATION PROGRAM.

IT'S CURRENTLY BEING RUN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW.

I GOT TO GET SOME STAFF ON DUTY, AND THEN WE'LL TRANSFER IT BACK OVER TO OVER TO US, AND WE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT.

AND WE'VE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT WITH THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION.

I BELIEVE AFFORDABLE [INAUDIBLE].

YEP. AND THEN AND A NEW ROLE IS WE ALSO SUPPORT THE ARCHEOLOGY DIVISION IN THEIR COMMUNICATION. SO AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS BASICALLY WE'RE GETTING ALL THEIR CALLS IN MY OFFICE SO THAT THERE'S A TIMELY RESPONSE.

AND IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE ARCHEOLOGY STAFF BECAUSE THERE WAS A THERE WAS A GAP THERE.

AND WE WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THOSE EFFORTS.

SO INCREASED SUPPORTING ROLES, WE'VE INCREASED OUR SUPPORTING ROLES IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE.

I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED GREASE TRAPS, ILLICIT DISCHARGE, CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE INCREASED OUR EFFORTS IN SUPPORTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT DIVISION.

GOT TO BE HONEST, THAT WAS A THAT'S STILL A PRETTY TOUGH ONE.

BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR ORDERS FROM [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT DOING WHEN THEY'RE ISSUED THOSE HORRIBLE

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ORDERS IN REFERENCE TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT HOMES AND THEN TRYING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. UM, AND THEN WE'RE INCREASED OUR EFFORTS WITH SUPPORTING SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHERE WHEN THEY SERVE A SEARCH WARRANT AND THE HOME IS NOT HABITABLE, WE'RE UTILIZING MR. SCHAULAND'S AUTHORITY TO EVALUATE THAT HOME.

AND IF THAT HOME IS NOT HABITABLE, WE'RE BOARDING IT UP.

WE'RE GETTING IN CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE'RE MAKING THEM TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOUSE AND DOING THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS PROTECTING IT FROM TRESPASSERS, WEATHER CONDITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, GETTING ALL EVERYTHING BUTTONED UP ON IT.

INCREASED EFFORTS IN SUPPORTING SAINT AUGUSTINE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE OPENING THEIR CASES WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS RESPONDING TO THEIR FIRE INSPECTION FAILURES OR CONCERNS SOMETIMES, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN A CASE.

WE'LL START TRACKING THAT INFORMATION.

AND IF THAT INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS DOESN'T RESPOND, WE'LL SLAP A NOTICE ON THEM, GIVE THEM 30 DAYS, GET THEM IN BEFORE THE BOARD AND HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE LIKE THAT.

CONTINUING EFFORTS WERE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. THERE ARE NO POLICIES OR REAL PROCEDURES WITHIN THE DIVISION WHEN I TOOK OVER, WE STARTED WRITING NOTES.

WE ARE STRIVING FOR A NATIONAL ACCREDITATION ONCE WE GET ALL OF OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE AND CITY WORKS THE COMPUTER TRACKING SYSTEM WAS KEY TO THAT, AND WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP BUILDING THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT.

DEVELOPMENT AND BUILD OUT OF THE HOMELESS DAYTIME DROP IN CENTER.

I'LL BE ATTENDING THE [INAUDIBLE] MEETING TOMORROW OR CET THURSDAY, LOOKING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION ON THE TWO BUILDINGS IF NEEDED AND PHASE ONE INITIATED.

WE'VE CLEANED UP THE PROPERTY, ADDRESSED THE SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS FOR THE PROPERTY. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS POSTED IT FOR US.

WE'VE REMOVED AS MUCH DEBRIS AS WE CAN.

WE'VE FILLED IN SOME POSSIBLE CONCRETE HOLES, POSSIBLY A SEPTIC TANK, BUT WE FILLED IT WITH DIRT AND LETTING IT COMPACT.

WE'LL EVENTUALLY GET THOSE CLEANED UP APPROPRIATELY.

WE JUST NEEDED TO MAKE IT SAFE.

WE'VE LIFTED THE CANOPY IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE.

SO OUR PLANS ARE TO CLEAN THAT UP AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR DINING WITH DIGNITY.

THEY'LL BE OUR FIRST RESIDENT THERE.

YES, MA'AM. DO YOU HAVE ANTICIPATED DATE? WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO I WILL ATTEND [INAUDIBLE] THURSDAY IF I'M APPROVED FOR ONE OR BOTH, DEPENDING ON WHETHER BOTH NEED TO COME DOWN.

I BELIEVE I HAVE TO HAVE IT IN HAND FOR 30 DAYS BEFORE I CAN MAKE A, UM.

BEFORE I CAN TAKE THE BUILDINGS DOWN.

BUT IF I GET THE APPROVAL, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE BALL ROLLING TO GET EVERYTHING SET TO TRY TO BE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS KIND OF AHEAD OF EVERYBODY ELSE.

SO I WANT TO SAY PROBABLY MID FEBRUARY.

MARCH IS PROBABLY MORE REALISTIC.

IT COULD BE JANUARY, BUT WE'RE WORKING RAPIDLY TOWARDS IT.

SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET PUT ANYBODY IN A, IN A, YOU KNOW I'M IT I HAVE TO GET THE APPROVAL FIRST AND THEN EVERYTHING KIND OF FALLS IN LINE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.

SO YOU GOT TO GET SOME STAFF.

YES MA'AM. YES MA'AM.

ENHANCEMENT OF THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT INVOLVES THE CITY WORKS AND A REVIEW OF ALL OF OUR RECORD SYSTEMS FOR RECORDS RETENTION.

MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH LAW AND ALL.

AND THEN THE CONTINUED TESTING, EVALUATING AND IMPROVING OF THE CASE TRACKING SOFTWARE PROGRAM. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT, I BELIEVE, IS THE FIRST ONE THAT BROUGHT CITY WORKS ONLINE.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF DIGGING OUT THE BUGS AND KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

SOME THINGS WORK, SOME THINGS DON'T.

SOME THINGS YOU THINK ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T.

SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF TEST IT.

AND I THINK WE'RE WE'RE PROBABLY FURTHER DOWN THAT ROAD THAN OTHER DIVISIONS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING IT SINCE 2020, I BELIEVE 2021 RIGHT IN THAT AREA.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH I DO.

GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT, YOU MENTIONED THE REUNIFICATION PROGRAM.

YES, MA'AM. SO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEIR REUNIFICATION PROGRAM.

AND SO WHAT I WAS I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF DUPLICATION OF SERVICES GOING ON. SO CAN YOU SO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE AND IF THERE ARE, I CAN.

SO THE FAMILY REUNIFICATION PROGRAM STARTED WITH THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER STEVE [INAUDIBLE].

IT WAS HIS VISION AND HE BROUGHT IT TO LIFE.

IT WAS THE CITY'S, THE CITY'S MONEY.

IT WAS BILLED OUT TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR TRANSPARENCY SO THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT WASN'T DEALING WITH ANY MONEY.

CATHOLIC CHARITIES WOULD BUY THE TICKET, THEY WOULD BILL US, WE WOULD PAY THEM BACK.

AND IT KIND OF WORKED LIKE THAT.

SO THE SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ALWAYS RUN THIS PROGRAM, AND THE CITY HAS ALWAYS STARTED US OUT WITH A BUDGET.

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AND IF WE NEEDED MORE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, THINGS KIND OF RAN TIGHT.

THEY'D INCREASE OUR BUDGET A LITTLE BIT, FIND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY FOR US BECAUSE IT WAS KEY IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING PEOPLE FROM UNSHELTERED TO SHELTERED, AND BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE WE DON'T WE'RE NOT JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE BUS. AND I'M MAYBE I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN NOW, BUT I'LL SPEAK FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCE.

WE'RE NOT JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE BUS.

THERE'S A LOT OF YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY, AND THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE ON THE RECEIVING END TO TAKE YOU OFF THE STREET.

WE'RE NOT TRANSFERRING PEOPLE TO BE HOMELESS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT.

SO WHEN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN SHERIFF HARDWICK GOT INVOLVED WITH HOMELESSNESS THROUGH HIS REENTRY PROGRAM, HE THEY BECAME AWARE OF THE FAMILY REUNIFICATION MONEY. AND THE MONEY WAS ORIGINALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAPERWORK, IT WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT FOR ALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO KIND OF USE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

SO ROB STARTED USING SOME OF THAT MONEY AND OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH.

WHERE IS THE ORIGIN OF THAT MONEY? I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT MONEY, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.

IT'S THE BUDGETED MONEY FROM THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THEY'RE USING OUR MONEY? AT ONE TIME IT WAS WRITTEN ORIGINALLY LIKE THAT.

THEY WERE. YES.

OKAY. YEAH. SO YES, AT ONE TIME, THAT WAS, I T WAS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WAS WRITTEN FOR STATE ATTORNEY, SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND US TO BE ABLE TO USE.

RIGHT. YEAH, I THINK I SPOKE WRONG NOT THEY'RE USING OUR MONEY.

THEY WERE ACCESSING THE CITY BUDGET MONEY TO HELP THROUGH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

YEAH. OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN A LOT.

IT WAS OCCASIONALLY THEY WOULD CALL AND THEY'D CALL.

WE'D TELL THEM HOW TO DO IT AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES WOULD DO IT.

BUT FOR THE 99.9% OF THE MONEY WAS SPENT THROUGH OUR OFFICERS DOING THEIR JOB, CHIEF MARSHALS, OFFICERS DOING THEIR JOB.

SO ROB STARTED HIS REENTRY PROGRAM AT THE JAIL.

SHERIFF. SHERIFF. YEAH. I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.

I GREW UP WITH HIM. SHERIFF HARDWICK STARTED HIS REENTRY PROGRAM AT THE JAIL.

AND PART OF THAT REENTRY PROGRAM WAS TO REUNIFY THE HOMELESS INMATES.

SO HE STARTED HIS OWN FAMILY REUNIFICATION PROGRAM.

AND HE RECENTLY, I BELIEVE, HAD A FUNDRAISER FOR THAT PARTICULAR HIS PARTICULAR FAMILY REUNIFICATION PROGRAM.

DOES THAT ANSWER? YES.

THANK YOU. SO YES, MA'AM.

SO WE'RE BOTH DOING ONE.

WE ARE DOING ONE.

AND THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S THERE IS A DUPLICATION OF SERVICES.

BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO YEAH THERE MIGHT BE THERE IS. AND THERE WILL BE AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP BECAUSE BOB, ROB, SHERIFF HARDWICK WILL BE WORKING WITH A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE THAT IS INCARCERATED THAT HE WANTS TO MOVE FROM INCARCERATION AND STABILITY DIRECTLY INTO A STABLE UNIT.

I'M PRETTY SURE SHERIFF HARDWICK WILL COME UP HERE AND SAY, GETTING THAT INDIVIDUAL OUT OF JAIL AFTER COMPLETING THE REENTRY PROGRAM AND PUTTING THEM ON THE STREET UNTIL THEY CAN GET WITH OUR FAMILY REUNIFICATION MAY BE KIND OF DETRIMENTAL TO THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED, BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET THEM STABLE AND ONCE THEY'RE COMING OUT OF A STABLE, YOU KIND OF WANT TO KEEP YOU WANT YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM IN THAT STABLE PROGRAM.

AND IF THEY'RE COMING RIGHT OUT OF HIS REENTRY PROGRAM AND THEY'RE WILLING TO GO HOME AND THERE'S SOMEONE WILLING TO TAKE THEM, YOU WANT THEM TO GO DIRECTLY TO A STABLE ENVIRONMENT, NOT HAVE TO SPEND BECAUSE ONE NIGHT ON THE STREET.

AND MEAN ONE NIGHT, GIVEN TO THEM, RETURNING TO THE DEMONS AND THINGS THAT THEY FACE.

AND IT COULD RUIN MONTHS WORTH OF WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AT THE JAIL, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. RIGHT. SO THERE THERE MAY BE A PURPOSE TO HAVE THAT PARTICULAR SERVICE AS A DUPLICATE AS THEY COME OUT OF JAIL AS COMPARED TO OUR PROGRAM.

OKAY. INTERESTING. I THINK WE DIDN'T NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AND HOW TO BE REALLY EFFECTIVE, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY KIND OF GET THE THEY'VE GOT THE PRESSURE POINT OF MAX PAIN PRESSURE POINT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING TO YOU, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DISRESPECT ANYONE OR WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS IN LIFE, BUT THAT'S A BETTER OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY'RE IN JAIL AND COMING OUT TO GET A SHOT AT THE REUNIFICATION.

HUGE, MUCH BETTER OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY'VE BEEN IN A STABLE ENVIRONMENT, GOING THROUGH COUNSELING AND GOING AND BECOMING CLEAN A MUCH MORE, A MUCH GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO STAY STABLE IN AN ENVIRONMENT.

IF ROB, IF SHERIFF HARDWICK CAN, CAN GET THEM HOME TO HIS FAMILY UNIFICATION PROGRAM.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I GUESS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY JAIL WERE ARRESTED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. ABSOLUTELY.

SO LET'S. YEAH, RIGHT.

YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT JUST SHERIFF HARDWICK'S ARRESTEES FROM THE COUNTY.

THEY'RE FROM OUR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ARRESTING THEM.

THEY GO THROUGH THE SAME PROGRAM.

SO THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING THEY'RE GETTING USED TO THAT MONEY ALSO IN HIS PROGRAM ALSO.

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SO IT I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO LOOK AT IT LIKE A DUPLICATION OF SERVICES, AS MUCH AS I WANT TO LOOK AT IT AS A SHARED SERVICES.

AT FACE VALUE, IT MAY LOOK LIKE THAT, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE DEEPLY IN WHAT'S MOST.

THE FOCUS REALLY NEEDS TO BE LESS ON THAT, MORE ON WHAT'S MORE EFFECTIVE.

YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

NO. I HAVE MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO GO OUT AND CHECK OUT THE REENTRY PROGRAM WITH SERGEANT CLARK AND THE SHERIFF, BECAUSE HE TOLD ME ABOUT HIS REENTRY PROGRAM, ME BEING ON THE BOARD WITH HIM. AGAIN, I WANT TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT OUTLETS TO HELP THE HOMELESS.

YES, MA'AM. AND HE EXPLAINED TO ME IN DETAILS HOW THEY GO THROUGH COUNSELING.

THEY GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

AND YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.

THEY HAVE BEEN INCARCERATED.

THEY HAVE PASTORS THAT COME IN.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT TRAIN THEM WITH THE SKILL.

SO THEY MAKE THEM WORK READY WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED.

AND NOW THAT THEY'VE HAD A TASTE OF HAVING BETTER, THEN THEY GO OUT AND BECOME BETTER PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY IF THEY CHOOSE TO STAY HERE.

AND SO IT'S LIKE KIND OF LIKE A SECOND CHANCE AT GETTING IT RIGHT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE OUT THERE HOMELESS AND JUST WALKING AROUND CARRYING EVERYTHING YOU OWN, YOU DON'T HAVE A RESOURCE. YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A MEAL OR ASKING SOMEBODY FOR MONEY, FOR WATER OR SOMETHING TO DRINK.

SO THEY'RE MAKING THEM MORE PRODUCTIVE AND MAKING THEM MORE AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF US AT DIFFERENT TIMES TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS, BECAUSE WE GET SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE HOMELESS.

BUT THERE ARE AVENUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AND THAT THEY HAVE CREATED THAT WE SHOULD REALLY SEE SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S SOMETHING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS THAT SITUATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO OVERLOOK THE SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN IN THIS PARTICULAR FUNCTION FOR 31 YEARS.

AND THEY WORK VERY HARD BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON THE STREET THAT ARE SUCCUMBING TO THEIR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, THEIR DEMONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY GETTING PEOPLE IN THE FAMILY REUNIFICATION PROGRAM AND GETTING THEM GONE. AND THAT THAT TO ME IS A LOT HARDER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CAPTIVE AUDIENCE AND THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY DOING THAT.

SO I DON'T WANT TO LOOK BEYOND THEIR EFFORTS BECAUSE THEY REALLY THEY ARE THE THEY ARE THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT THAT PROGRAM IS BECAUSE IT WAS DEVELOPED RIGHT HERE IN THIS CITY AND RIGHT THERE AT THAT DEPARTMENT.

AND AND IT HAS BEEN A VERY, A VERY LARGE SUCCESS.

AND I ONCE DID A WHEN I WAS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I ONCE DID A OUTREACH IN REFERENCE TO CONTACTING INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAD SENT HOME TO SEE HOW MANY HAD STAYED, AND IT WAS STILL FAIRLY HIGH, UM, 55-60%.

UM, SO, I MEAN, YOU GOT TO TAKE YOUR WINS WHEN YOU CAN, WHEN THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES.

AND WE FELT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAD.

SO ARCHEOLOGY SUPPORT SAINT AUGUSTINE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO WE'RE GOOD THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SO FAR? COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S KEEP GOING.

[INAUDIBLE] SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 I WANT TO SAY YES.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 2022 TO 2023.

OCTOBER 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH.

WE HAD 744 REGISTERED SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WE DID 109 INSPECTIONS.

DON'T TRY TO ADD THESE NUMBERS UP EITHER BECAUSE THEY WON'T ADD UP.

OKAY. SO AND THE REASON WHY THEY WON'T ADD UP IS BECAUSE.

IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN 2021, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 2020 TO 2021.

WE ONLY HAD 482.

MOST OF THOSE RENEWED.

AND THAT 160 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 21 AND 22 IS US DOING OUR JOB AND GOING OUT AND DOING THE INSPECTIONS, DOING SOME RE INSPECTIONS.

AND THEN THAT DIFFERENCE FROM 648 TO 744 DOES NOT ADD UP TO 109, BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT SOME MORE RENEWALS THAT WE CHASE DOWN.

WE'VE HAD TO GO OUT AND DO NEW INSPECTIONS BECAUSE PROPERTIES HAVE CHANGED HANDS.

SOME OF THE PROPERTIES WERE REGISTERED IN 21, DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT, RE REGISTERED IN 22.

SO THAT WE CONSTANTLY HAVE THAT.

I WANT TO BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT THIS YEAR.

I ONLY WANT TO DO IT FOR THREE MONTHS NEXT YEAR.

AND THEY JUST THAT'S IT'S REALLY KIND OF A MOVING TARGET.

IT'S LIKE HERDING CATS IN REFERENCE TO WHEN THEY WANT TO BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL WHEN THEY GET REGISTERED, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO 744 109 INSPECTIONS BY MY INSPECTOR NOW BY MY SHORT TERM INSPECTOR NOW.

BUT YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, THE FIRE INSPECTOR HAS TO RE INSPECT EVERY ONE OF THEM EVERY

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YEAR. UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER 800 AND 744 INSPECTIONS YOU DON'T SEE UP HERE.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE WE'VE INCREASED BY WE'RE MAKING 10, 20, 30, 30% [INAUDIBLE].

MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. SHORT TERM RENTAL REGISTRATIONS FOR FY FOR FOR 2023 ARE 744.

YES, MA'AM. AND THE REGISTRATIONS ARE BUT THE INSPECTIONS ARE 109.

MY INSPECTOR CAN ONLY INSPECT NEW ONES OR ONES THAT HAVE CHANGED HANDS.

IF YOU REMEMBER, ONCE WE DO THE ZONING.

BUT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ALL OF.

HAVE ALL THOSE 744 BEEN INSPECTED? ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S SOME THERE MAY BE SOME THAT WERE IN THE PENDING THAT CAME IN LATE THAT DIDN'T GET THEIR INSPECTIONS.

BUT YES, EVERY ONE OF THEM, ALL OF THEM ARE IN THE MOST PART WILL GET INSPECTED.

THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE GENTLEMAN TRYING TO DO ALL THE INSPECTIONS EVERY YEAR. SO WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THEM REDONE.

SO THEY'RE DONE.

YES MA'AM. THEY'RE DONE.

YES, MA'AM OKAY. THAT'S ALL.

YEAH. THAT 744 WAS APPROVED OKAY.

YES, MA'AM. I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, HOW YOU FIND SHORT TERM RENTALS? DO YOU CHECK THE PROPERTIES TO SEE IF THEY'RE HOMESTEADED? IF THEY'RE HOMESTEADED I MEAN, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'RE NOT HOMESTEADING IT AND DOING SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT THE HOST COMPLIANCE HOST, JUST TO ANSWER QUICKLY THAT QUESTION, YOU COULD BECAUSE YOU WOULD JUST PRORATE THE PORTION THAT YOU CONTINUE LIVING IN SO YOU COULD RENT OUT YOUR GUEST HOUSE OR WHATNOT.

AND THE TAX COLLECTOR PROPERTY APPRAISER WOULD PRORATE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO RIGHT.

HOST COMPLIANCE IDENTIFIES THE MANY DIFFERENT PLATFORMS THAT YOU CAN ADVERTISE YOUR SHORT TERM RENTAL ON.

THEY'LL THEN MATCH IT UP TO AN ADDRESS AND THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.

AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE US SPIT US OUT WHO WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT.

NOW THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THEY'RE IN VIOLATION, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY HADN'T RENTED IN 180 DAYS OR 300 OR MORE IN LESS THAN A YEAR.

[INAUDIBLE] BUT IT STILL KICKS IT OUT TO US AS BEING A VIOLATION.

TO YOUR QUESTION WE PRODUCE A LIST THAT WE SEND OUT TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE SO THAT THEY CAN CHECK AGAINST HOMESTEAD, AND IF THEY FIND VIOLATIONS, THEY ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF THERE'S ANY PRORATION OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THEY DEAL WITH THAT THROUGH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.

WE JUST PRODUCE THE LIST THAT HAS REGISTERED SO THAT THEY CAN COMPARE IT TO THEIR HOMESTEAD NOTICES.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. SO.

THIS IS OUR CITY LIMITS.

AND THIS WHAT YOU SEE IN GREEN IS SHORT TERM RENTALS.

I HAVE ADVANCED IT AND BROKEN IT OUT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND WHEN I SAY NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WOULD DEAL WITH AS LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I COULD THINK OF IT.

OKAY, SO WHEN I SHOW YOU THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, IT'LL BE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I REMEMBER AS LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO FIRST YOU HAVE THE NORTH CITY AND THE FULWOOD AREA.

THE GREEN DOTS ARE ALL REGISTERED SHORT TERM RENTALS.

GOODNESS. OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GOOD.

SECOND, WE'LL HAVE UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S THE SAN MARCO, US ONE UP TO ABOUT A-1A OR [INAUDIBLE].

AND THAT'S ALL THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

UM, ACTUALLY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, EVEN THOUGH I'VE BLOWN IT UP, SOME OF THE GREEN DOTS ARE ON TOP OF OTHER GREEN DOTS, SO IT TRULY IS MORE IF I COULD MAKE IT BIGGER AND YOU COULD SEE IT SO. THEN YOU HAVE THE MODEL LAND TRACK DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS BETWEEN US ONE AND CORDOVA KING TO ORANGE POSSIBLY.

YOU'LL SEE THERE ON CARRERA STREET.

YOU'LL SEE THE ESTATE TITLE, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BLOB.

I THINK THAT'S LIKE SIX UNITS.

YOU THEN HAVE THE LINCOLNVILLE AND THE OLD CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.

NORTH DAVIS SHORES CAPTURES A LITTLE BIT OF SOUTH DAVIS SHORES, BUT I NEEDED TO BLOW IT UP SO YOU COULD SEE IT.

CONTINUATION OF SOUTH DAVIS SHORES.

MASTERS DRIVE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE OYSTER CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT WOULD BE IT.

ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE IS THIS MAP AVAILABLE ONLINE OR LIKE PEOPLE ABLE TO SEE LIKE LIKE IF I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ON MY STREET WERE, IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN GET THAT

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INFORMATION? THAT QUESTION CAME UP RECENTLY, AND IT'S ON MY LIST TO SEE IF WE CAN DO A LINK TO THE MAP THAT'S IN HOST COMPLIANCE.

AND IF I CAN DO THAT, THEN WE WILL BE WE CAN PUT IT ON ON SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE TO VIEW.

RIGHT. I'M IN TOUCH WITH VILLANO HAS A NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE ISSUES WITH IT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT APPARENTLY THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A MAP, AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY USES.

IT'S THEY'VE PROBABLY CREATED THE LINK BETWEEN HOST COMPLIANCE AND THEIR WEBSITE, AND I'M SURE THAT CAN BE DONE.

AND IT IS ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO.

I'LL STEP IT UP AND SEE. WELL, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE I'M SURE YOU HAVE A LONG LIST OF THINGS TO DO. THERE'S A COUPLE.

COMMISSIONER GARRIS, YOU HAD COMMENTS.

QUESTIONS. IT JUST LOOKS LIKE LINCOLNVILLE IS THE GOT THE MOST RIGHT BY THIS MAP.

SO I HAVEN'T COUNTED.

BUT IF.

YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY YES, MA'AM.

IT IS. SO LINCOLNVILLE IS, LINCOLNVILLE HAS A LOT.

YES, MA'AM. THAT'S GENTRIFICATION.

LOTS OF GENTRIFICATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT BRINGS FOR YOU.

SO, YEAH, AT LEAST IN THIS MODERN WORLD.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? YEAH. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO RENTS OUT THE GARAGE APARTMENT AND THEN SOMEBODY WHO RENTS OUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DESIGNATE THAT IN YOUR CITY WORKS, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO DESIGNATE THAT THE HOMEOWNER LIVES THERE VS .

THEY DON'T BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE GREEN DOTS COULD BE BLUE.

I SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE THAT LIVE POSTED HOMES YOU WANT TO CORRECT.

YOU WANT AND I CAN TALK TO HOST COMPLIANCE ABOUT THAT.

YOU WANT TO YOU WANT ME TO IDENTIFY WHEN THEY REGISTER WHETHER THEY'RE ON SITE HOST OR NOT. THOSE ARE HOSTED.

THEY CALL THOSE HOSTED HOMES.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT HOST COMPLIANCE CAN PROBABLY PUT THAT BUTTON IN THAT REGISTRATION. NOW OF COURSE IT WON'T BE UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

IT'S A HUGE IT'S A HUGE HUGE DIFFERENCE RIGHT.

YEAH. DIFFERENT CATEGORIES TO ME I AM I AM 99% CONFIDENT THAT ASK THROUGH HOST COMPLIANCE CAN BE DONE.

IT'LL JUST ADD IT'LL JUST BE A BUTTON.

IT'LL BE CALCULATED IN THE SPREADSHEET.

AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT 11% AIRBNBS ARE SHORT TERMS. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S HIGH OR NOT FOR ANY OTHER CITY, YOU KNOW.

BUT IF WE COULD BREAK THAT OUT TO 7% ARE TOTAL HOUSES, 4% ARE OWNER OR OWNER ON SITE.

THAT MAKES THE PERCENTAGE LOOK UNDERSTANDABLE.

BETTER. WE CAN. I CAN DO THAT.

I DON'T I'M NOT SAYING DO IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A GOOD DATA FOR THE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. I SHOULD HAVE A DECENT KIND OF A MAP FOR YOU ON THAT ONE BECAUSE I'LL GET I'LL GET THEM STARTED ON THAT IMMEDIATELY.

WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM ANYWAY IN REFERENCE TO SOME CLEANING UP TO DO, AND WE'LL MAKE THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO COMMISSIONER BLONDER HAS A COMMENT.

THIS IS MORE IN A GENERAL SENSE WE GET I DON'T KNOW WE BUT I KNOW I GET A LOT OF EMAILS FROM PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, I CALLED I MADE A COMPLAINT CODE ENFORCEMENT.

I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT YOU ALL.

YOU WORK REALLY HARD.

BUT WHAT I WOULD WONDER IS WHAT IS THE WHAT IS IT LIKE TO CLOSE THE LOOP WHEN YOU GET A COMPLAINT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER SOMEBODY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEIR NEIGHBOR DOES SOMETHING.

SO YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT TYPE OF COMPLAINT WE'RE TALKING, OKAY.

SAY, YOU KNOW, STRS THERE'S TOO MANY.

THERE'S THE CARS OR IT'S THEY'RE OVERBOOKED.

THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE STAYING THERE.

THERE'S PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW PROBLEMS WITH WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT DO AS A CODE INSPECTOR.

RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THE ANONYMITY THING, I CAN'T KNOCK ON A DOOR AND MAKE THEM TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE. IS THERE A WAY TO SAY WE HAVE RECEIVED YOUR.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO THIS OR NOT.

WE DO. WE RECEIVED YOUR COMPLAINT.

YOUR COMPLAINT, AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED YOUR COMPLAINT.

SO YES, WE DO THAT.

OKAY. SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

A VISTA CIRCLE THREE WEEKS AGO WE GOT A CALL ON A FRIDAY MORNING OR I THINK IT WAS A FRIDAY MORNING. SO YOU GOT TO GET OVER HERE AND SEE THIS.

AND IT WAS A PARKING PROBLEM.

AND USUALLY THERE'S THERE'S DIFFICULTIES WITH PARKING PROBLEMS AND SHORT TERM RENTALS.

BUT WE GET OVER THERE.

AND IT WAS A CODE ENFORCEMENT PARKING PROBLEM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

BECAUSE WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS THEY HAD RENTED THIS HOUSE TO EITHER A FISHING TOURNAMENT GROUP OR A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT LIKE TO COME OVER HERE AND FISH TOGETHER. AND THEY HAD BROUGHT FOUR BOATS, OKAY.

AND THEY HAD PARKED THE BOATS ON THE FRONT YARD, CLEARLY A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

WE GOT IMMEDIATELY WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OWNER.

WE GOT IMMEDIATELY WITH THE WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER.

AND BY NOON THE BOATS WERE IN THE DRIVEWAY.

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THE CARS HAVE BEEN CLEANED UP ALONG THE STREET.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THE PROBLEM WAS RESOLVED, BUT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN WE COMMUNICATED WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IN REFERENCE TO THE RESPONSIBLE WAY TO.

YOU NEED TO KIND OF BE BETTER AT VETTING THESE THINGS.

SO YEAH, I JUST I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, GETTING THE EMAILS, PEOPLE SAYING I'M NOT GETTING A RESPONSE OR I'M NOT SEEING ANY CHANGE, LIKE, HOW DO I ADDRESS THAT? THE STREET. YEAH.

PARKING ON THE STREET. YEAH OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS FIND OUT LIKE WHAT MY RESPONSE NEEDS IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE ILLEGALLY PARKED ON THE STREET, YOU NEED TO CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT. BECAUSE WE DON'T.

I MEAN, PARKING LEGALLY ON THE STREET IS PARKING LEGALLY ON THE STREET.

UM. IF THEY'RE PARKING IN THE GRASS ON THE YARD AND THERE'S 15 VEHICLES, THEN WE CAN GET INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT IN THE DRIVEWAY OR YOU'RE IMPROPERLY PARKED ON THE YARD OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING LAWFULLY ON THE STREET.

AND THAT IS IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND IT'S ONE THAT I CAN'T SOLVE.

OKAY. NO, I GET IT.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT I KNOW, I KNOW THE THINGS YOU STRUGGLE WITH.

I STRUGGLE WITH THEM TOO. UPSTAIRS, WE DO CALL PEOPLE BACK ALL THE TIME IN REFERENCE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL CALL AND SAY.

I CALLED, MADE A COMPLAINT. BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE MY NAME.

YOU GOT TO REMEMBER WHAT CHANGED TWO YEARS AGO.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T IGNORE THAT, BUT WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST WITH IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO I GOT A REPORT OUT FROM THE CITY MANAGER, AND IT'S.

THIS SAYS THE TOP FOUR COMPLAINTS ARE PARKING.

TRASH. OCCUPANCY AND NOISE.

SO AND SPECIFICALLY IN THAT ORDER.

I ALSO AM SHOCKED BY THIS, BUT APPARENTLY 83 OF THE COMPLAINTS WERE SUBMITTED BY FIVE PEOPLE. 29 COMPLAINTS WERE SUBMITTED BY THREE PEOPLE.

NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM.

AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? YOU'RE NOT COMPLETELY WRONG.

I'M SEEING 29 OF THE 47 PARKING COMPLAINTS WERE SUBMITTED BY THREE PEOPLE.

OKAY. 83 OF ALL OF THOSE COMPLAINTS THAT 83 OF 152 OF THE 203.

OKAY. HELPFUL.

YEAH. 82 WE'RE SUBMITTED BY FIVE PEOPLE.

RIGHT. OKAY.

UM, ONE ADDRESS HAD 38 COMPLAINTS FILED AGAINST.

AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD CALL US TWO AND THREE TIMES A DAY.

OKAY. AND.

WOW. REMEDY STILL CALLING US THE HOUSE ISN'T A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

THE OWNER FINALLY SAID, I GIVE UP.

HE'S DOING JUST ONE NOW, BUT IT'S BEEN REMEDIED.

BUT WE'RE STILL GETTING THE PHONE CALLS.

AND YOU'RE STILL GETTING THE COMPLAINTS.

OKAY. I'M NOT HAPPY YOU'RE FEELING MY PAIN, BUT I'LL APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE FEELING MY PAIN BECAUSE IT'S JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER PICTURE.

YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THIS DATA THAT I'VE GOT MIGHT MAKE ME THINK AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG.

IT MIGHT MAKE ME THINK THAT THERE'S A HANDFUL OF REAL PROBLEM ACTORS.

OR EITHER. THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO FILE REPEATED COMPLAINTS.

THERE'S BOTH.

OKAY. THERE'S BOTH.

AND I ASSUME THAT WE'RE A CITY SMALL ENOUGH THAT AND THAT YOU INTIMATELY KNOW THE LARGEST, THE LARGEST COMPLAINT INDEX THAT WE HAD.

THAT ONE IS NOT A SHORT TERM RENTAL ANYMORE, EXCEPT FOR ONE UNIT.

THAT PARTICULAR OWNER SAID, YOU KNOW, OKAY, I'VE HAD ENOUGH.

BUT WE'RE STILL GETTING COMPLAINTS.

BUT FOR IT, I MEAN, IT'S SOLVED.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN ANOTHER AREA OF TOWN WHERE IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A COMPLAINT EVERY TIME SOMEONE PULLS IN, AND WE JUST KNOW THAT.

OKAY. UM, WE'VE BEEN BY.

WE'VE LOOKED. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE HOMEOWNERS WHEN WE GO OUT AND DO OUR INSPECTIONS. IF THE PROPERTY, IF THE PARKING IS NOT THERE, WE REQUIRE THEM TO FIND THE PARKING. WE DO OUR INSPECTION.

WE GIVE THEM THE DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO GET IN BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING TO GET APPROVALS FOR THAT. EVERYBODY THAT SHOWS UP IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ASKING FOR A VARIANCE HAS ALREADY BEEN INSPECTED BY PERSONNEL AND BEEN DENIED.

SO THEY'VE BEEN DIRECTED ON HOW TO GET APPROPRIATE PARKING APPROVED.

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THEY DON'T EVER WALK IN HERE ON THEIR OWN.

ALL EVERYBODY THAT'S COME IN HAS BEEN COME IN BECAUSE WE'VE DENIED THEM TOO.

WE'VE DENIED TO APPROVE THEM UNTIL THEY GET TO PARKING APPROPRIATE.

NOW WE DO WORK WITH THEM IF THEY'RE WORKING WITH US APPROPRIATELY AND THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE LIKE THEY RECENTLY HEARD ONE WHERE WE NOTIFIED THE WOMAN THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER PARKING, AND SHE GOT ON THE BOARD WITHIN THE MONTH.

SO WE KEEP THAT OPEN WHILE SHE'S DOING GOOD FAITH EFFORTS AND AND WORKING WITH US AND WE WORK WITH THEM COMPLIANCE DRIVEN.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. DO YOU THINK IN THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE A LOT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE SHOULD DO, LIKE PARKING PERMITS, DO YOU THINK THAT THOSE WOULD WORK? YOU KNOW HOW THEY HAVE THE STREET? I KNOW SOME STREETS DOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR HAVE PARKING PERMITTED STREETS, RESIDENTIAL PARKING.

YES. OKAY.

SO I DON'T REALLY I WOULD BE TALKING OUT OF TURN HERE BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AS MUCH AS I THINK MR. FRANKLIN UNDERSTANDS IT.

AND I WOULD REALLY, TRULY BE TALKING OUT OF ORDER TO START COMMENTING, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS THE PARKING.

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH.

SO A STREET THAT HAS A RESIDENTIAL ONLY PARKING, IF IT'S AN STR, A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PARKING ON SITE ON THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY WANTED TO USE PARKING ON THE STREET IN A RESIDENTIAL ONLY PARKING ZONE, THEY HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AS A USE BY EXCEPTION.

AND THE BOARD HAS APPROVED THAT IN SOME CASES AND DENIED THAT IN SOME CASES.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COMMISSIONERS? ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

GREAT REPORT.

I THINK THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

CERTAINLY WAS A GREAT EXERCISE FOR US LEARNING EXPERIENCE.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO IT.

LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM AND THAT IS 10C AND MS.

[10.C. Review of design recommendation for the green space in front of the St. Augustine Municipal Marina to be known as Harbormaster Park. (M. Wissel, Director Communications)]

MELISSA WISSEL.

YOU ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE REVIEW OF THE SIGN AT OUR MUNICIPAL ARENA.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS MELISSA WISSEL, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. I WANT TO FIRST THANK VERY STEADFAST GUEST IN OUR AUDIENCE.

AND THAT WILL BE SAM'S WIFE, DORIS.

SAM'S BROTHER MARK, AND SISTER IN LAW, PEG, WHO ARE WITH US THIS EVENING TO THANK US FOR OUR EFFORTS. AND THEY'VE BEEN SITTING VERY PATIENTLY FOR THE MEETING.

WHEN WE FINISH. IF ANY OF THEM WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR PERMISSION IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, THAT WE INVITE THEM UP THAT OPPORTUNITY.

SO I'M HERE JUST TO GET YOUR FINAL APPROVAL.

WE DID GET WE TOOK YOUR INPUT FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

AND THE NAME LOOKS LIKE THIS ON THE SIGNAGE HARBOR MASTER PARK, DEDICATED IN MEMORY OF SAM R ADUKIEWICZ.

AND YOU SEE UNDERNEATH IT, THERE IS A SMALL PANEL THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED WITH BOLTS ON THE ENDS TO THE UPRIGHTS. I HAD VISIONS OF LIKE A NICE CHAIN LINK HANGING DOWN.

AND THEN I THOUGHT IN A HURRICANE IT WOULD END UP IN THE WATER SOMEWHERE.