Oct 09, 2023 City Commission

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ALL RIGHT. WE'RE CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

NANCY SIKES-KLINE HERE.

ROXANNE HORVATH HERE.

BARBARA BLONDER HERE.

CYNTHIA GARRIS HERE.

JIM SPRINGFIELD. HERE.

THANK YOU. SO, FOR THE INVOCATION THIS EVENING, WE HAVE REVEREND TIM FLEMING FROM THE EPISCOPAL MISSIONARY CHURCH.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE RISE, AND FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION, VICE MAYOR HORVATH WILL LEAD THE PLEDGE.

LET US PRAY.

OH, MOST LOVING AND GRACIOUS GOD.

YOU ARE INDEED THE GIVER OF ALL GOOD GIFTS, AND WE THANK YOU TODAY FOR ALL YOUR BLESSINGS FOR THE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME OF THIS MEETING AND FOR YOUR GRACE UPON OUR MAYOR, OUR VICE MAYOR, AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR THE CITY STAFF AND ALL THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY AND WE CONTINUE TO SEEK YOUR WISDOM, YOUR GUIDANCE, COURAGE AND STRENGTH.

BE WITH US IN ALL OUR DELIBERATIONS AND HELP US TO BE WISE IN THE DECISIONS WE MAKE FOR THE GOOD OF ALL THOSE WHO HAVE PLACED THEIR TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN THIS LEADERSHIP.

GIVE US INSIGHT TO LEAD WITH INTEGRITY SO THAT OUR DECISIONS MAY REFLECT WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD FOR OUR CITY AND FOR ITS CITIZENS.

GRANT US THE HUMILITY TO ALWAYS SEEK YOUR WILL IN ALL THAT WE DO OR SAY.

ALL THIS WE ASK IN THE NAME OF THY SON, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST.

AMEN. PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE BEGIN.

WE BEGIN THE MEETING.

I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH WILL COME AFTER PROCLAMATIONS, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE BROUDY/CITY PARKING GARAGE, A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT, YOU SHOULD DO SO AT THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

ALSO, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPOSED CITY FIRE STATION ON ANASTASIA ISLAND SHOULD ALSO DO SO AT THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

COMMENTS. SO WITH THAT SAID, AFTER, IT'S REALLY A COURTESY TO YOU, SINCE THIS ISN'T THOSE ITEMS ARE NOT GOING TO BE REGULAR PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO HOME AND WE DO STREAM LIVE SO YOU CAN WATCH FROM YOUR IPADS OR YOUR DESKTOPS OR YOUR PHONES IF YOU IF YOU SO WISH TO DO SO.

SO WITH THAT SAID, MODIFICATION AND APPROVAL OF REGULAR AGENDA.

[2. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS]

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE ANY MODIFICATIONS? SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS STATED.

SECOND. SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS THIS EVENING.

[3. SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS]

SO PLEASE COME UP.

COMMISSIONERS, WILL YOU JOIN ME AT THE FRONT OF THE ROOM AS WELL? THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU.

OKAY. SO I'LL READ THE PROCLAMATION, AND THEN IF NANCY WANTS TO SPEAK OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. PROCLAMATION.

WHEREAS MANY CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE FAMILIES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNITED STATES NAVY, MARINE CORPS AND COAST GUARD, AND, WHEREAS, THE NAVY WIVES CLUBS OF AMERICA HAS CHARTERED IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ON THE THIRD DAY OF JUNE 1936 AND IS A VEHICLE THROUGH WHICH THE SPOUSES OF THOSE IN THESE SEA SERVICES PROVIDE MANY WORTHWHILE AND VALUABLE COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND WHEREAS, THOSE SERVICES RENDERED THE SAINT

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NOW, THEREFORE, THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 8TH THROUGH 16, 2023 AS NAVAL WIVES CLUB OF AMERICA NATIONAL CONVENTION WEEK, AND URGES ALL CITIZENS AND SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS TO DEMONSTRATE THE SUPPORT AND RESPECT FOR THESE PEOPLE DEDICATED TO SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY, BOTH CIVILIAN AND MILITARY.

YOU CAN CLAP NOW.

YAY! [INAUDIBLE] WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? THANK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NAVY WIVES CLUBS OF AMERICA IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT STARTED IN 1936 WITH A SEAGOING SERVICES.

WE WERE CHARTERED IN CALIFORNIA, BUT WE WERE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD.

THE CONCENTRATION OF OUR MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY IN FLORIDA NOW.

QUITE A FEW IN THIS AREA HERE, AND WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE AND EXPLORE THE CITY AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT US, WE ARE THE NAVY WIVES CLUBS OF AMERICA. WE DO HAVE A DOT ORG WEBSITE AND A MAJOR THING THAT WE DO THAT WASN'T MENTIONED WAS SCHOLARSHIPS FOR SEAGOING SERVICE MEMBERS, CHILDREN AND TO ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE SPOUSES.

WELL, THANK YOU. LET'S HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH.

YEAH, I SAID THAT.

WE ARE ALL WE ARE.

HO, HO, HO. I SHOULD HAVE SAID.

YOU HEAR THE NAME NAVY WIVES.

THAT IS OUR TRADITIONAL NAME GOING BACK TO 1936, WHEN ACTUALLY PEOPLE LIKE ELEANOR ROOSEVELT NOTICED THAT WE NEEDED TO HELP THE NEW ENLISTED SERVICE MEMBERS THAT WERE MARRIED BECAUSE BACK IN THE DAY, THEY COULD NOT MARRY, BUT THEY WERE DOING IT ANYWAY.

SO THEY NEEDED SOMEONE TO HELP THOSE SPOUSES.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE IDEA OF NAVY WIVES CLUBS OF AMERICA.

WE PRECEDE ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT HAVE SINCE COME UP THAT THE NAVY AND OTHER SERVICES TAKE CARE OF THE FAMILIES NOW FLEET AND FAMILY, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO WE GO BACK. WE WERE THE ORIGINAL FLEET AND FAMILY.

WE WERE THE SPOUSE 101 AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE DID START OUT, BUT WE NOW TAKE ALL SPOUSES OR ANYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN THE AIMS AND GOALS OF OUR ORGANIZATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MESSAGE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION, I BELIEVE HARLEY IS GOING TO ACCEPT.

[INAUDIBLE] THERE YOU ARE.

WELCOME. WHEREAS DURING THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 16TH THROUGH THE 22ND, 2023, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WILL JOIN OTHER CITIES ACROSS FLORIDA IN CELEBRATING FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK.

THIS WEEK HAS BEEN SET ASIDE TO RECOGNIZE THE MANY SERVICES CITY GOVERNMENTS PROVIDE WITH THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE IN FLORIDA.

WHEREAS THE THEME MY CITY, I'M PART OF IT AND I'M PROUD OF IT, PAYS TRIBUTE TO THE ROLE CITIZENS PLAY IN OUR CITY'S GREAT GOVERNMENTS.

CITY GOVERNMENT IS TRULY THE GOVERNMENT OF, BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE DECISIONS ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS, BUSINESS OWNERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS.

CITY GOVERNMENT IS ADMINISTERED BY AND FOR ITS CITIZENS AND IS DEPENDENT UPON PUBLIC COMMITMENT TO CARRY OUT ITS RESPONSIBILITIES.

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THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO TEACH STUDENTS AND ADULTS ABOUT THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT AFFECTS THEM DAILY.

NOW, THEREFORE, THE CITY OF COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DOES HEREBY DECLARE OCTOBER 16TH, 2022.

16TH THROUGH THE 22ND SORRY, 2023 AS FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK, AND DURING THIS WEEK, THE CITY COMMISSION URGES ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT ROLE CITY GOVERNMENT PLAYS IN OUR LIVES, FROM PUBLIC SAFETY TO TRASH COLLECTION TO PROMOTING OUR COMMUNITY'S CULTURE AND RECREATION.

THERE YOU GO. THAT'S FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT? NO ANNOUNCEMENT.

OKAY. WELL, I WILL SAY THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DURING CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK, YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM EACH COMMISSIONER ON OUR.

INSTAGRAM, FACEBOOK AND ALL OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO MAYBE YOU'LL GET A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSONAL INSIGHT INTO WHAT MOTIVATES US TO DO WHAT WE DO FOR YOU.

SO WITH THAT SAID.

[INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS IS PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT A CARD, PLEASE

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING]

YOU'RE WELCOME TO FILL THAT OUT.

I DO HAVE SOME ALREADY AND I WILL CALL THEM NOW.

THE FIRST SPEAKER WOULD BE ALEX [INAUDIBLE], FOLLOWED BY DANIELLE [INAUDIBLE].

ALEX [INAUDIBLE], FOLLOWED BY DANIELLE [INAUDIBLE].

HEY. HELLO.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

OKAY. NAME IS ALEX [INAUDIBLE].

ADDRESS IS 24 MADEIRA DRIVE ON THE ISLAND.

I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WOODS AT THE HEAD OF MY STREET FOR A FIRE STATION.

IT'S A NATURAL HABITAT THAT HELPS DELINEATE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE CHAOS OF THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE NOISE AND ALL THE PEOPLE.

I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE IS SOME GOPHER TORTOISE THAT LIVE IN THERE, AND THERE ARE WHATEVER OTHER WILDLIFE THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED, AND I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT'S THE BEST PLACE FOR A FIRE STATION DUE TO ITS IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, AND SOLD OUT SHOWS AND WHATNOT, AND THAT'S MY COMMENT. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DANIELLE [INAUDIBLE] IS NEXT, FOLLOWED BY ROB PIAZZA.

MISS [INAUDIBLE], WILL YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES. MY NAME IS DANIELLE BABINEAU.

I LIVE AT 24 MADEIRA DRIVE.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPOSED FIRE STATION ACROSS FROM THE AMPHITHEATER.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS REALLY SAFETY, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE MEETINGS THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR. I'M SURE EVERYONE HERE IS FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PART OF A1A STATE ROAD THREE WHEN THERE IS A SHOW THERE, BUT WE HAVE PEDICABS, WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF INEBRIATION.

WE'VE GOT CARS COMING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE WOULD BE PUTTING A NEW FIRE STATION.

SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENT LOCATION FOR THE FIRE STATION THERE, IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S INEFFICIENT AND UNSAFE, BUT I COMPLETELY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD MOVE FROM ONE UNSAFE, INEFFICIENT LOCATION TO ANOTHER UNSAFE, INEFFICIENT LOCATION AND I'M WORRIED THAT THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLY A $1 LEASE IS WHAT'S CAUSING THIS PUSH, BUT THERE'S NEVER A SITUATION WHERE WE SHOULD PUT MONEY AND SAVING A BUCK OVER PEOPLE'S SAFETY.

SO UNTIL THAT'S REALLY ADDRESSED AND AGAIN, I HAVE YET TO HEAR THAT BEING ADDRESSED, THEN I WOULD REALLY URGE THE COUNCIL NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

WE'VE HEARD SOME THINGS ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES AND HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO LOCATE THE FIRE STATION IN KIND OF A LOCATION THAT GIVES

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LIKE EVERYTHING IS ALREADY STUCK IN THERE AND IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO MOVE PEOPLE.

I'VE ALSO HEARD A NUMBER OF THINGS ABOUT HOW LOCATING THE FIRE STATION THERE MEANS WE CAN GET A CROSSWALK THERE OR OTHER BENEFITS LIKE THAT, BUT THOSE ARE STEPS THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING REGARDLESS OF THE LOCATION OF A FIRE STATION.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT AREA, AND I SUPPOSE LASTLY IS WE'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD BE A NEW MODERN FIRE STATION AND THAT'S REALLY NEEDED, WHICH I AGREE WITH BECAUSE THE OLD ONE IS 50 YEARS OLD, BUT AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT HINGE UPON IT BEING LOCATED ACROSS FROM THE AMPHITHEATER.

SO I WOULD JUST URGE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF THE SITUATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ROB PIAZZA, FOLLOWED BY JERRY BATES.

WELCOME. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS ROB PIAZZA.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE BROUDY PROJECT PARKING GARAGE.

I'M THE OWNER OF SCREEN ARTS, LOCATED AT 228 WEST KING STREET, WHICH I STARTED IN 1977 AT AGE 17.

IN 1984, I PURCHASED MY BUILDING AT 228.

WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO FULLY REHAB A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE WEST KING DISTRICT.

OVER THE YEARS, I'VE ADVOCATED FOR OUR DISTRICT, AND AFTER MANY YEARS OF SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, I CHOSE TO START THE WEST KING MERCHANT ASSOCIATION IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP FELLOW MERCHANTS APPRIZED OF ISSUES AFFECTING US AND TO SPEAK AS A WHOLE.

I'M PROVIDING THIS BACKGROUND TO ESTABLISH MY 46 YEAR COMMITMENT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ROLE I PLAYED IN SPEAKING FOR AND KEEPING OUR BUSINESS OWNERS INFORMED.

I'VE WORKED DIRECTLY WITH JOHN REGAN, DAVID BERTRAM AND REUBEN FRANKLIN OVER MANY YEARS ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES, INCLUDING THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE OF PARKING, WHICH HAS BEEN IN SHORT SUPPLY FOR MANY YEARS.

IN FACT, AFTER STREET PARKING WAS COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM WEST KING IN 2010, I PETITIONED THE CITY TO DEVELOP A MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT NEXT TO [INAUDIBLE] BREWERY AND WHICH IS THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY THE CHITWOOD FAMILY.

THIS HAS REMAINED THE ONLY MUNICIPAL PARKING AVAILABLE DESPITE THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH ON WEST KING THESE PAST FEW YEARS.

IN ADDITION, I OFFERED TO CO-OP WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP A MUNICIPAL LOT ON MY PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE END OF NORTH LEONARDO, WHICH RUNS TO PALMER.

HOWEVER, THE OFFER WAS DECLINED SINCE THE BROUDY PARKING GARAGE WAS FORTHCOMING AND IT WOULD SOLVE ALL OF WEST KING'S PARKING PROBLEMS. THIS WAS REPEATED MANY TIMES BY VARIOUS CITY OFFICIALS OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, SO I WAS A BIT SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD THAT IT WAS STILL BEING DEBATED OR NEGOTIATED. IN MY OPINION, THIS PARKING GARAGE IS NOT AN OPTION.

IT'S SORELY NEEDED NOT ONLY FOR THE WEST KING DISTRICT, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

SAINT AUGUSTINE IS WOEFULLY BEHIND IN THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXPLOSION OF RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS.

IT IS NOT A MATTER OF IF, BUT WHEN AND WHEN HAPPENS TO HAVE PASSED MANY YEARS AGO.

AS I RECENTLY MENTIONED IN A CONVERSATION, THIS IS A NECESSARY PIECE OF CAPITAL EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO PERFORM THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING THE CITY.

IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ME INVESTING IN A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO PRODUCE THE PRODUCTS I MAKE IN THE MOST EFFICIENT, COST EFFECTIVE WAY VERSUS COBBLING TOGETHER A HODGEPODGE OF DEVICES. THE END PRODUCT MAY BE THE SAME, BUT I EXPENDED MUCH MORE LABOR EXPENSE AND HEADACHE IN DOING SO.

YES, IT'S HARD TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT INITIAL PURCHASE, BUT THE ECONOMICS PROVE IT WILL MORE THAN PAY FOR ITSELF IN SHORT ORDER.

I IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND PULL THE TRIGGER.

I ASSURE YOU, ONCE YOU DO, ALL OF US WILL BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

JERI BATES, FOLLOWED BY JOHN [INAUDIBLE].

HI, MY NAME IS JERI BATES.

I LIVE AT 30 MARYLAND AVENUE IN MADEIRA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORS TO LET IT BE KNOWN THAT WE ARE AGAINST HAVING THE FIRE STATION PUT ON THE PROPERTY AT THE END OF THE MADEIRA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S A MARITIME HAMMOCK WITH SO MUCH TREES AND.

THINGS THAT NEED TO BE KEPT.

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THERE'S TREES BEING TAKEN DOWN EVERYWHERE.

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.

NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ARE TREES ARE JUST BEING DESTROYED FOR NEW NEIGHBORHOODS TO GO IN, AND THIS SMALL PIECE OF LAND IS JUST SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO STAY SO WE CAN PROTECT WHAT LITTLE BIT OF ENVIRONMENT PROTECTION WE HAVE.

ALSO, AGAIN, AS MY OTHER NEIGHBOR WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC DURING THE CONCERTS, IT'S A MADHOUSE WHEN YOU'RE THERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE THERE'S PEDICABS THERE.

EVERY THE POLICE, EVERYONE'S THERE, AND IT'S HARD TO EVEN TURN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOMETIMES.

SO I'M WHEN A FIRE TRUCK IS TRYING TO PULL OUT, HOW DANGEROUS IS IT GOING TO BE WHEN EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO SCRAMBLE LIKE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND YOU SCRAMBLE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY? I MEAN, HOW MANY ACCIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SCRAMBLE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY SO THESE FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCE CAN GET OUT? SO, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO LET IT BE KNOWN THAT WE ARE AGAINST PUTTING THE FIRE STATION.

WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A NEW FIRE STATION, BUT THIS IS NOT THE PROPER PLACE FOR THAT FIRE STATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

JOHN [INAUDIBLE] FOLLOWED BY SUSAN HILL.

JOHN [INAUDIBLE]. I LIVE AT 12 FLAMINGO DRIVE.

I AM IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE FIRE STATION TO THE NEW SITE.

I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR THAT.

WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE IN 2006 AND AT THAT TIME WE WERE ABOUT 100, 150 YARDS FROM THE FIRE STATION THAT EXISTS NOW, AND DURING THAT TIME, 17 YEARS, I'VE NEVER HEARD ONE BIT OF NOISE COMING OUT OF THAT FIRE STATION, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT NOISE OR CONCERNS IN THE PAST, BUT WHAT HAPPENED AT OUR PLACE IN 2008, WAS THAT A SKATE PARK WAS BUILT ABOUT 30FT FROM OUR BACK FENCE.

THE NOISE WAS AWFUL, OKAY, AND WE WERE FEELING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE OF THAT, A SOUND TEST WAS DONE AND FOUND THAT OVER THE COURSE OF ONE HOUR THERE WERE 90 IMPACT EVENTS WHICH WERE ABOVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED THEN WAS THAT OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, JOHN REAGAN AND THE CITY WORKED WITH US AND OUR FAMILY TO REACH A RESOLUTION WHICH WAS ARRIVED AT AFTER TWO YEARS, AND THAT RESOLUTION HAS STOOD.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP OUR HOUSE, BUT I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT NOISE IS LIKE AND TRYING TO LIVE WITH IT.

I FEEL THAT THE FIRE STATION, AS THEY EXISTS NOW, DOES NOT HAVE A NOISE PROBLEM.

I DON'T HEAR ANY SIRENS.

THERE ARE SIRENS ON ANASTASIA BOULEVARD, BUT THERE ARE SIRENS FROM AMBULANCES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT RARELY FIRE VEHICLES, BUT I THINK THAT THE ISSUE I UNDERSTAND THAT NOISE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT LAND THAT'S LOOKED AT TO PUT THE NEW FIRE STATION IN HAS BEEN PRISTINE AND PRESERVED.

I BELIEVE IT'S PART OF THE STATE PARK FOR SOME TIME, BUT AS RECENT WORLD EVENTS PRESENT TO US LIVING IN THIS HUMAN WORLD, THINGS CHANGE, AND THAT OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THERE IS NO GUARANTEE REALLY FOR ANYTHING, AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT LAND LAND MIGHT NOT BE PRISTINE.

THERE WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE THERE, PERHAPS, PERHAPS A PARKING GARAGE.

OR A SKATE PARK.

OKAY. SO I WOULD THINK THAT IF I HAD TO PICK AT THIS POINT, HAVING BEEN THROUGH THIS FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS, IF I HAD TO PICK BETWEEN A FIRE STATION AND A SKATE PARK, EVEN TODAY, I WOULD PICK THE FIRE STATION.

OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED THEY NEED THIS.

THE OLD STATION. THE OLD STATION, I UNDERSTAND, IS KIND OF ON ITS LAST LEGS, AND THIS WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE A BARRIER WALL THERE THAT'LL ABATE THE NOISE, THAT THERE WILL BE A VEGETATION BUFFER.

IT'S ALREADY HEAVILY WOODED, AND SO I THINK THE CITY WILL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAKE THIS A FEASIBLE PROJECT, AND I'M ALL FOR IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SUSAN HILL, FOLLOWED BY RICARDO [INAUDIBLE].

SUSAN HILL, 12, FLAMINGO DRIVE.

I'M THE OTHER HALF OF THAT EQUATION THAT JUST SPOKE, AND I LIVE AT 12 FLAMINGO DRIVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SKATE PARK.

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I WISH THEY COULD BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION RIGHT THERE, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT UNREALISTIC.

ONE REASON I HATE TO SEE THEM GO IS THAT SECONDS AND MINUTES COUNT IN AN EMERGENCY, AND HONESTLY, FOR US, IT'S BEEN VERY REASSURING TO HAVE THEM THERE ALL THESE MANY YEARS.

IF I DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE THERE, I WOULD NOT KNOW THEY WERE THERE.

WE HAVE NEVER HEARD A PEEP, AND I TOTALLY FEEL AND UNDERSTAND FOR THE FOR THE NEIGHBORS IN THE MADEIRA NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT NOISE BECAUSE WE LIVE THROUGH UNBELIEVABLE NOISE WITH THE SKATE PARK, BUT I CAN SAY TO, YOU KNOW, A PERSPECTIVE THAT I HAVE IS THAT IT WAS UNTENABLE.

IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE, AND YET THE CITY SOLVED IT WITH US, AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM NOW.

THEY BUILT THEY DID BUILD A 12 FOOT WALL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF A WALL, A RETENTION WALL ON THE BACK END OF THE FIRE STATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE MADE OF CONCRETE.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL SERVE TO BUFFER.

WE ALSO HAVE ABOUT A 20 FOOT BUFFER OF HEAVY VEGETATION AND IVY GROWING UP OVER THE WALL AND THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS MITIGATE SOUND AND CUT SOUND WAVES.

I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.

YOU HAVE HEARD AND HAVE NOT AGREED WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE BEEN IN A CITY CONSERVATION OVERLAY ZONE.

ONE OF OUR STANDARDS, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT IN A CONSERVATION OVERLAY ZONE, BUT IS CONSERVATION LAND ONE OF OUR STANDARDS IS THAT IT SHOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, AND AS RECENTLY AS THE YACHT CLUB, I HAVE TO SAY, I DIDN'T THINK IT BENEFITED THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND I COULDN'T SUPPORT IT.

I DIDN'T THINK THE COST OF OF CUTTING INTO CONSERVATION LAND WAS WORTH THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

THIS IS DIFFERENT IN MY VIEW, AND IF I RULED THE WORLD, NO ONE WOULD EVER CUT DOWN A TREE, BUT WE HAVE LIMITED SPACE IN THE CITY AND I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

I TRUST THAT THE CHIEF AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN THIS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT SITE AND FEEL THAT IT WILL BE THE BEST SOLUTION AND THE OCATION TO PROVIDE SAFETY TO EVERYONE, PEOPLE IN MADEIRA, PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, US IN THE CITY.

SO I SUPPORT IT.

RICARDO [INAUDIBLE].

I HOPE I DIDN'T MISPRONOUNCE THAT TOO BADLY, BUT IF YOU'LL PLEASE SPEAK TO THE MIC.

STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR, AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RICARDO [INAUDIBLE].

I'M THE HISTORIAN, DIRECTOR FOR USA PROUD LEARNING RESOURCES, AND I'VE COME TO INVITE YOU TO PARTICIPATE TOMORROW WITH THE COMMUNITY HOLDING A SPECIAL FLAG TO COMMEMORATE THE FIRST SAILING AROUND THE GLOBE IN HONOR OF MAGELLAN.

THIS IS LATTICE [INAUDIBLE], OUR PRESIDENT, AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT LOCAL ACTIVITY THAT OPENS THE DOOR TO THE NEED IN OUR NATION THAT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO KNOWING THE IMPORTANCE OF MARITIME ROUTES FOR THEIR OWN ROOTS IN HISTORY.

SO THIS IS CREATING FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE ITS IDENTITY AS A NATIONAL RESOURCE FOR TEACHING US HISTORY TO EIGHTH GRADERS.

BECAUSE EIGHTH GRADERS HAVE FOUND LESS AND LESS INFORMATION OF ESSENTIAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MARITIME ROUTES IN SHAPING THE GLOBE. SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME, AND WE HAVE.

A WONDERFUL FLAG TO BE AT THE STATUE AT 4:30 AND WE'LL HAVE FIVE FLAGS.

HOPEFULLY THE MAYOR WILL COME OR A REPRESENTATIVE TO HOLD THE FLAG OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND THE NATION WILL

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THE THING THAT I FIND INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO RESEARCH AND YOU CRAFT THINGS WITH DESIGN, YOU NOTICE HOW THE FLAG OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IS GOLD, AND OUR CHOICE OF COLOR WAS GOLD.

FOR THE MAGELLAN SAILING AROUND THE GLOBE.

SO EVIDENTLY WE'RE ON TRACK.

I HOPE YOU'LL COME.

YOU'VE RECEIVED OUR INVITATION, AND WE ALSO HONOR FIREFIGHTERS AROUND THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY DID A PRESENTATION SIMILAR AT THE PANAMA CANAL AT THE LOCK.

THEY DID IT IN PORTUGAL IN SABROSA, WHERE MAGELLAN WAS BORN.

SO THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON OF BRINGING HOME THE SPIRIT WHICH STARTS WITH THE MEANING OF HISTORY.

THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT.

OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, OUR COMMUNITIES NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS AN HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY THEMSELVES CAN OWN AND SHARE.

THANK YOU, AND THIS IS OUR PURPOSE OF HAPPY HEARTS.

SPARKS MINDS TO LEARN, AND SOMETHING ELSE.

I THINK YOU GOT IT ALL IN THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. FROM OUR CHARITY WORKING ON THIS COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECT.

SO IT'S GREAT TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND THE KIDS FOR THE FUTURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LAUREN [INAUDIBLE] FOLLOWED BY DWIGHT MILLER.

LAUREN [INAUDIBLE] LINCOLNVILLE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

GOOD EVENING.

BITS AND PIECES.

NIGHTLIFE ORDINANCE MEETING.

AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, A MR. ALEXANDER SENIOR GAVE AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE WHY ALL ESTABLISHMENTS SHOULD HAVE THEIR STAFFS TRAINED TO DEAL WITH EVERYTHING ON THE ORDINANCE LIST, WHETHER THEY ARE OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT OR TILL 2 P.M..

HE BASICALLY STATED THAT A PATRON CAN BE OVERSERVED AT 5 P.M.

DURING A HAPPY HOUR OR A SUNDAY BRUNCH.

THEREFORE, IT WOULD BE WISE TO HAVE ALL BARTENDERS AND ALL WAITSTAFF PARTICIPATE IN A COURSE ON RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE TRAINING PROGRAM AND BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE A PROBLEM DRINKER AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH BELLIGERENT BEHAVIOR.

ET CETERA. BASEBALL FIELD AT EDDIE VICKERS.

THERE WAS NO MENTION DURING THE ENTIRE BUILDING PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT OR DESIGN THAT THE BASEBALL OUTFIELD WAS GOING TO BE REDUCED IN SIZE BY 60FT FOR A LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM USAGE ONLY.

THAT LEAVES ADULTS AND SOCCER TEAMS LEFT OUT IN THE COLD.

I CALL FOUL BALL ON THE PART OF SAINT JOHN'S PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

ALSO, THEY DID NOTHING TO ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE IN THE OUTFIELD.

SO WHEN SOMEONE GETS HIT BY A FLY BALL.

MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, WHO SHOULD THEY SUE? THE LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM, SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY OR THEIR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE SAPD.

LAST MEETING WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT LACKING OF POLICING OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.

HOWEVER, DO THEY REALIZE THERE IS ONE ONLY ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT FIELD OFFICER FOR ALL OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THAT THE ONLY THE OTHER TWO FIELD OFFICERS.

DEAL WITH ALL THE PERMIT VIOLATIONS AND ISSUES CAUSED BY DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS AND RESIDENTS, AND YET, EVERY DAY THE CITY ANNEXES MORE PROPERTY TO THE CITY FOR THE TAX ROLL, BUT HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR PUBLIC SERVICES, SUCH AS CODE ENFORCEMENT? BECAUSE THEIR STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE OUT IN THE FIELD, THEIR NUMBERS HAVE NOT GONE UP.

THEY ARE ALSO IN THEIR OFFICES MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 9 TO 5, AND MOST OF THE ISSUES CONCERNING SHORT TERM RENTAL INHABITANTS HAPPEN DURING THE WEEKEND. SO WHO CAN THE RESIDENTS CALL? THE SAPD OFFICERS HAVE DISCRETION ABOUT WRITING TICKETS, SO THAT'S A TOUGH ONE, AND WITH THE ACTUAL AND WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL COUNTS OF THE AMOUNT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS? AND WHEN WERE THOSE LAST UPDATED? WHAT ARE THE NAMES, NUMBERS AND ADDRESSES OF PEOPLE WHO CAN CALL AND LET THEIR GUESTS KNOW THEIR OWNER, LET THE OWNERS KNOW THEIR GUESTS ARE

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BE NICE TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE EXACT AMOUNT OF CARRYOVER DOLLARS FROM THE CITY BUDGET FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND WHAT THE MONEY WAS FINALLY USED FOR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DWIGHT MILLER IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND FOLLOWED BY MAUREEN LONG.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DWIGHT MILLER.

I LIVE AT 1107 MAKARIOS DRIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING MY WIFE MAGGIE, MYSELF, AS WELL AS CARE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY.

WE WANT TO FIRST PRAISE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPASSION AND MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO DATE THAT COLLECTIVELY PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE WELL-BEING OF ALL CITY RESIDENTS.

INCLUDING THOSE WHO NEED THE MOST ASSISTANCE.

WE HOPE AND PRAY THAT YOUR EXAMPLE MAY SOMEDAY STIMULATE OTHER LOCAL AND FLORIDA STATE LEADERS TO FOLLOW SUIT. ON BEHALF OF ALL THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

CARE HAS PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN WITH YOU ABOUT THE NEED FOR A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, WHICH WE STILL BELIEVE IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO SERVE ALL THE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IN THIS COUNTY WHO ARE UNABLE TO FIND TONS OF THEM, UNABLE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT TONIGHT, WE'RE HERE TO APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS.

CURRENTLY UNDERWAY TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 450 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD.

FOR FAMILIES, WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO REALISTIC HOPE OF EVER ENJOYING THE QUALITY HOUSING THEY NEED.

YOURS WILL BE THE FIRST MEANINGFUL AND SIGNIFICANT STEP OF ITS KIND IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.

IN ADDITION, WE ALL OFFER TO ASSIST YOU IF WE CAN, IN ANY WAY IN CREATING THIS NEW COMMUNITY THAT WILL PROVIDE HOUSING AND AMENITIES TO A WIDELY DIVERSE BODY OF RESIDENTS.

THAT IS THEIR RIGHT TO EXPECT.

YOU WILL ANSWER THEIR DREAMS. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAUREEN LONG IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND FOLLOWED BY JIM TUNSTALL.

IS IT UPSIDE DOWN? WE CAN SEE IT.

IT'S FINE. HERE WE GO.

OKAY. MAUREEN LONG 1821 CASTILLO STREET, MENENDEZ PARK.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THE PROPOSED SITE FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION.

THIS PARCEL, LOCATED ACROSS STATE ROAD A1A FROM THE PARK OFFICE DRIVEWAY WAS APPROVED BY DEP AS SURPLUS LAND IN 2016.

DUE TO THE DISTANCE FROM ANASTASIA STATE PARK, THE CITY SEES VALUE IN THIS LAND BY BUILDING A MODERN FIRE STATION THAT WILL PROVIDE BETTER SERVICE TO THE STATE PARK AND SURROUNDING AREA WHILE IMPROVING PUBLIC SAFETY FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVES ON ANASTASIA ISLAND.

USING ONLY 1.45 ACRES OF THE NEARLY THREE ACRES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIREHOUSE WHILE CONSERVING 1.35 ACRES FOR CONSERVATION LAND KEEPING 47% OF THE TREES.

THE SAND DUNE THAT IS ON THE LAND WILL STAY AND BE SECURED.

THE LAND WILL STAY ZONED AS IT IS NOW MANAGED BY THE CITY TO KEEP AS GREEN SPACE OR PASSIVE PARK.

IT WILL BE UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO CREATE THE BEST SCENARIO THEY CHOOSE, AND I KNOW THIS I'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY BEFORE AND THEY ARE GREAT PARTNERS AND GOOD STEWARDS OF LAND.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS LAND WILL BE USED WISELY.

THE SAFETY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE CHIEF WOULD EVEN THINK THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO HIS MEN OR TO THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE US.

OUR ISLAND HAS AND IS GROWING AND HAS GROWN FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

SEE IF THAT'S STRAIGHT, IF YOU CAN GET IT THERE.

ANASTASIA ISLAND.

OUR ISLAND HAS OVER 21,000 RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE THREE FIREHOUSES WITH 11 FIREFIGHTERS, TWO EMERGENCY MEDICAL STAFF AND ONE EMERGENCY TRANSPORT VEHICLE.

YES, ONLY ONE EMERGENCY TRANSPORT VEHICLE TO DRIVE US TO THE HOSPITAL FROM OUR ISLAND.

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THIS NEW STATION WILL SERVE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, BOTH CITY AND COUNTY ALIKE, ALONG WITH VISITORS THAT COME TO OUR ISLAND EVERY DAY, WHICH ARE THOUSANDS THAT COME.

SO I SUPPORT THE BUILDING OF THE NEW FIRE STATION ACROSS FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE AMPHITHEATER AND BELIEVE TRULY IN MY HEART THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR CHIEF AND OUR GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T THINK TO PUT A STATION THERE IF IT WASN'T SAFE.

SO IT WILL SERVE TO ENHANCE SAFETY FOR EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER IS JIM TUNSTALL, FOLLOWED BY CHARLES PAPPAS.

THANK YOU. JIM TUNSTALL, 940 LEW BOULEVARD.

THANKS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE PROPOSED FDOT A1A ROUNDABOUT TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND THE RELOCATION OF OUR ANASTASIA ISLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT. I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE AND VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IS AN EXCELLENT PLAN.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROPOSED PLAN INCLUDES A ROUNDABOUT IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD, RED COX ROAD AND OLD QUARRY ROAD INTERSECTIONS, AND THE RELOCATION OF OUR ANASTASIA ISLAND FIRE STATION TO THE SITE ACROSS FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE AMPHITHEATER.

THE EXISTING INTERSECTION AND ADJACENT AREA OF A1A.

OLD QUARRY ROAD AND RED COX ROAD ARE EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS, WITH MULTIPLE FATAL AND NEAR FATAL ACCIDENTS HAVING OCCURRED THERE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

LIVING WITHIN 400 YARDS OF THE CONFLUENCE OF ROADS ON THIS DANGEROUS CURVE OF A1A.

I'VE NAVIGATED THIS INTERSECTION DAILY OVER THE PAST 18 YEARS.

DURING THIS PERIOD, I'VE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF BOTH FATAL AND NON-FATAL ACCIDENTS, AND I'VE WATCHED COUNTLESS OTHER NEAR-MISSES OCCUR.

THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT WILL DRAMATICALLY ENHANCE THE SAFETY FOR EVERYONE TRANSITING THIS AREA.

SIMPLY PUT, IT'S MY OPINION IT WILL SAVE LIVES.

THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

PROPERTY EXCHANGE WILL ALLOW FDOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AND ALLOW THE CITY TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION.

THIS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND IT WILL MAKE IT SAFER TO ACCESS ANASTASIA STATE PARK, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE TOWING CAMPERS ARE DRIVING LARGE RVS.

THE ROUNDABOUT WILL IMPROVE THE ABILITY OF SCHOOL BUS OPERATORS TO ACCESS A1A IN A SAFER MANNER AS THEY TRANSPORT OUR CHILDREN TO AND FROM OR BEYOND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND IT WILL ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF VISITORS TO THE ALLIGATOR FARM, THE LIGHTHOUSE AND AREA BUSINESSES.

IT'S OFTEN DIFFICULT TO MEET THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF ALL WHEN SEEKING A VIABLE SOLUTION TO A COMPLEX PROBLEM.

I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, THE ADMINISTRATION, IN COOPERATION WITH STATE AND COUNTY PARTNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS FOR DEVELOPING WHAT I THINK IS AN EXCELLENT PLAN THAT DOES ITS BEST TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

MY SPECIAL THANKS TO MR. REUBEN FRANKLIN AND HIS STAFF.

THEY'VE WORKED HARD TO DEVELOP A VIABLE PLAN AND HAVE KEPT THE COMMUNITY WELL INFORMED EACH STEP OF THE WAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER AND THIS IS THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS FOR MR. CHARLES PAPPAS.

WELCOME, MR. PAPPAS.

THANK YOU. CHARLES PAPPAS, 46 MAKARIOS STREET.

WHAT HE SAID. [CHUCKLING] IT'S FUNNY HOW WE GROUPED UP TOGETHER.

THE FIRE STATION ISSUE WAS NOT JUST ABOUT A NEW FIRE STATION.

LET'S NOT FORGET HOW IT ALL CAME ABOUT.

IT ALL CAME ABOUT FROM THE DANGEROUS SITUATION AND THE DEATHS AT RED COX ROAD INTERSECTION.

IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, NOT JUST THE FIRE STATION, BUT THAT RED COX ROAD INTERSECTION.

TO REDO THAT INTERSECTION REQUIRED MOVING THE FIRE STATION.

SO THE FIRE STATION BECAME A SECOND THOUGHT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF LAND AVAILABLE TO MOVE THE FIRE STATION.

IT MAY NOT BE A PERFECT SITUATION, BUT IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE TWO SAFETY ISSUES, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO AND LET'S KEEP IN MIND, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS VERY WELL VERSED WITH CROWDS AND KNOWS HOW TO MOVE THEIR EQUIPMENT AROUND WHEN STATIONS WILL BE LOCKED IN.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE NEW FIRE STATION AND TO SAVE THE LIVES AT RED COX ROAD INTERSECTION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

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THAT IS MY LAST SPEAKER CARD.

IF ANYONE ELSE IS HERE TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE PODIUM.

IF YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD LATER.

HEARING NO ONE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

MR. CITY MANAGER.

MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA IS AS FOLLOWS.

THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE OR ORDINANCES ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING ON OCTOBER 23RD.

ORDINANCE 2023-31 CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR THE POLICE PENSION SECTION.

REMINDER OF UPCOMING MEETINGS.

OCTOBER 23RD COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING PRIOR TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

OCTOBER 23RD, 5 P.M..

REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

NOVEMBER 13TH AT 3:30 SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE CONSERVATION LAND ACQUISITION DISCUSSION.

NOVEMBER 13TH AT 5 P.M.

REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND DECEMBER 11TH AT 5 P.M..

REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

TONIGHT, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM PRIOR CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS ON AUGUST 24TH, WHICH WAS A SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND AUGUST 28TH, WHICH WAS A REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE RELEASE OF A LIEN FOR UNIT CONNECTION FEES FOR 2848 NORTH EIGHTH STREET, JASMINE AND TIMOTHY DAVIS. WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE COST SHARE AGREEMENT BETWEEN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

IN THE CITY FOR THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY VOLUSIA WOODS PROJECT.

WITH THE CITY'S PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF $313,000 BEING PAID OUT OF UTILITY OPERATING FUNDS.

WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE MUNICIPAL SUB-RECIPIENT SUB-AWARD FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE CITY TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BASKETBALL AND SPORTS COURTS AT EDDIE VICKERS FIELD.

EDDIE VICKERS PARK, AND FINALLY, WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR FLAGLER COLLEGE TO USE THE CITY CREST ON PROMOTIONAL AND PROGRAMING MATERIALS FOR AN ARTIST.

WELCOME RECEPTION IN CELEBRATION OF HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, AND THAT CONCLUDES THE CONSENT AGENDA.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY DISCUSSIONS, QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I WILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO LET'S SEE, WE HAVE NO GENERAL PRESENTATIONS.

[8.C.1. Resolution 2023-35: Designates properties (Parcel ID Nos. 111225-0120, 111225-0000, 111220-0000, 111130-0000, 111110-0000, 111220-0000 known as the Broudy properties) as Brownfield areas. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]

WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT C RESOLUTION AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 8C1.

THIS IS AN ITEM TO BE PRESENTED BY MISS LOPEZ.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION WOULD DESIGNATE CERTAIN PARCELS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AND I WON'T READ ALL THE PARCEL NUMBERS.

THEY'RE GENERALLY KNOWN AS THE BROUDY PROPERTY NORTH OF KING STREET AND WEST OF PONCE DE LEON.

THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN REQUESTED TO BE DESIGNATED AS A BROWNFIELD UNDER FLORIDA STATE LAW.

THE PROCESS DOES REQUIRE THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ADOPT A RESOLUTION AFTER TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO TODAY YOU'RE NOT ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION.

WE'RE JUST OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THE PROCESS ESSENTIALLY IS A TYPE OF INCENTIVE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY CONTAMINATED PROPERTIES, AND ON MY DIGITAL VERSION, IT'S I THINK AT PAGE 83, IF YOU'RE CURIOUS TO SEE ALL THE CONTAMINANTS AND THERE WERE QUITE A FEW, AS WE KNOW HISTORICALLY, IT WAS A RAILROAD SPUR.

THERE WAS ALSO DRY CLEANING OPERATIONS AND AUTOMOTIVE OPERATIONS, AS WELL AS FUELING OPERATIONS, ALL OF WHICH HISTORICALLY HAVE CREATED A LOT OF TOXIC ISSUES FOR OUR LAND, AND PART OF THE PROCESS IS PROPERTY OWNERS CAN COME TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND ASK THEM TO DESIGNATE THE PARCELS AS BROWNFIELDS.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY FINANCIAL LIABILITY ON THE CITY'S PART.

IT'S JUST PART OF THE STATUTORY PROCESS.

THEN THE DEVELOPERS WORK WITH THE DEP ON A CLEANUP PLAN AND ARE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF STATE TAX BREAKS IF THEY FULFILL THAT CLEANUP.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ONE AT OUR NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING, AND AT THAT TIME, YOU'LL ADOPT OR NOT ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.

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YOU ARE CORRECT. THEY ARE HERE.

SO I WILL OPEN ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE I OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR RESOLUTION 2023-35 IS OPEN.

ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IS WELCOME TO STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AND MAKE A COMMENT.

IF YOU WOULD, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO FILL OUT A CARD AFTER YOU SPEAK.

SURE. MISS HOLLIS.

STEPHANIE HOLLIS, 13 NORTH LINARDI STREET.

AS FAR AS A BUSINESS OWNERSHIP STANDPOINT, JUST CONTINUING TO SUPPORT BARRY BROUDY AND THE VERY AGGRESSIVE, BUT I THINK FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT HE'S BEEN INVESTING IN FOR SEVERAL YEARS TRYING TO GET THIS GOING.

I KNOW THAT THIS BIG OF A PROJECT BRINGS UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BRINGS UP A LOT OF FEAR, ESPECIALLY AMONG THOSE OF US WHO LOVE THIS CITY, WHICH I THINK WE ALL DO.

NO MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT WE'RE ON AND JUST, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATING FOR THIS PROCESS TO MOVE ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, I KNOW BARRY HAS SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HIS OWN MONEY INTO TRYING TO GET THIS FAR, WHICH NOTHING MUCH HAS HAPPENED. IF YOU DRIVE BY THAT WAY EVERY DAY LIKE I DO, AND AS MR. DIPIAZZA POINTED OUT, WE SORELY NEED THIS PARKING GARAGE.

WE NEEDED THIS PARKING GARAGE TEN YEARS AGO.

I SUPPORT BARRY'S INVESTMENT IN THIS.

I KNOW THAT IT'S THE RIGHT MOVE FOR THE CITY.

I'D RATHER SEE AN INVESTMENT LIKE WHAT HE HAS PROPOSED, WHICH WILL DO WONDERFUL THINGS FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF OUR BUSINESS WORLD, AS OPPOSED TO IT TURNING INTO A LARGE GAS STATION.

SO I JUST WANT TO THROW MY SUPPORT, CONTINUED SUPPORT, AND I'VE BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER ON THE WEST SIDE OF KING STREET FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.

SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I'VE WATCHED THAT ENTIRE.

THOSE BLOCKS REALLY BLOSSOM AND GET BETTER AND BETTER AS BUSINESS OWNERS AND PRIVATE ENTITIES CONTINUE TO INVEST MONEY INTO THAT AREA, AND I THINK THAT MR. BROUDY'S PROJECT WILL CONTINUE TO HELP US THRIVE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE THE CITY THRIVE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO ADD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC? MISS HOLLIS, WILL YOU FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD WHEN YOU GET A MINUTE? THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? OKAY. YES, SIR.

IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

PUT YOUR NAME. GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU CAN ALSO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AFTER YOU SPEAK.

MY NAME IS ZACHARY RAMSEY.

MY ADDRESS IS 18 ARRANTA STREET.

32084, [CHUCKLING] NO, YOU DO NOT. WELL, LIKE SHE JUST BASICALLY DESCRIBED.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH HER 100% COMPLETELY BEHIND EVERYTHING THAT MR. BROUDY WOULD LIKE TO DO.

AS A BUSINESS MANAGER ON WEST KING.

ALL I WANT TO SEE IS THAT PART OF THE CITY THRIVE.

TO HINDER THAT WOULD JUST BE ONCE AGAIN SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NEED.

WE NEED TO BUILD AND BUILD, AND HE HAS GREAT IDEA.

I TRULY, TRULY HOPE THAT YOU ALL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

WEST KING IS COMING UP.

HE HAS GREAT IDEAS AND HE'S GOING TO PUSH THINGS FORWARD IN A POSITIVE MANNER, BUT I 100% AM IN ACCORDANCE WITH MR. BROUDY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, DO I HEAR A MOTION OR ANY COMMENTS? SORRY, COMMENT.

WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER.

NO, NO. OKAY.

WE JUST WON'T DO A MOTION TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL WE DON'T NEED A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION.

IT WAS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE'LL GET THE MOTION TO MAKE A COMMENT.

YES. YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? THANK YOU. SO THE BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, IT'S HAD A NUMBER OF PREVIOUS USES TEXAS OIL, A RAILROAD AND STORAGE MOTOR FREIGHT FILLING STATION, A PRINTING OPERATION CURRENTLY KING AUTO REPAIR AND PARTS AND DRY CLEANING.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT.

I'M SURE WE ALL TOOK A LOOK AT THAT, BUT WOW, IT FOUND POTENTIAL ARSENIC, HERBICIDES, SOLVENTS AND ABANDONED UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LEAKING, WHAT IT'S HOLDING AND TWO OF THE COMPOUNDS THAT ARE FOUND IN THAT ASSESSMENT ARE HARMFUL TO HUMAN HEALTH AND AQUATIC ORGANISMS. AT LEAST TWO OF THEM.

ONE OF THEM I FOUND WAS REALLY INTERESTING.

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IT'S AN OBSOLETE INSECTICIDE AND IT CAN BE ACUTELY TOXIC.

IT'S ONE OF THE MORE PERSISTENT OF ALL PESTICIDE PESTICIDES.

SO THERE MAY ALREADY BE GROUNDWATER IMPACTS THAT WOULD WORRY ME SIGNIFICANTLY IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES IN WEST AUGUSTINE, IT ALSO PORTENDS THAT ANY SOIL DISTURBANCE COULD RELEASE THESE CHEMICALS BACK INTO THE ENVIRONMENT, BACK INTO OUR WATERWAYS. THEY ARE HARMFUL TO AQUATIC ORGANISMS, ANYTHING THAT EATS AQUATIC ORGANISMS, INCLUDING US.

SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GET THIS BROWNFIELD CLEANED UP, AND I APPLAUD MR. BROUDY FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

EXCELLENT. WELL SAID.

ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE DID I HEAR A MOTION IN THAT? SURE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THIS FORWARD.

[INAUDIBLE]. OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

I HAVE TO JUST, LIKE, HIT ME ON THE HEAD WITH THAT.

JUST REMINDING EVERYONE, JUST ERASE.

THAT SECOND HEARING WILL BE ON THE 23RD, AND I THINK I SAW THE AD IN TODAY'S RECORD.

SO IF FOLKS WANT TO TALK AGAIN, YOU HAVE A SECOND CHANCE ON THE 23RD AND THEN WE'LL ADOPT IT.

IF YOU'RE SO THANK YOU FOR JUST CLOBBERING ME ON THE HEAD WITH THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DO NEED THAT AND I PROMISE NOT TO DO IT ON THE NEXT ONE.

SO RESOLUTION 2023-37 MADAM CITY ATTORNEY.

[8.C.2. Resolution 2023-37: Confirms the suitability of municipal property for affordable housing. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]

HOW ABOUT. OH, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO THROW THE PLOT TWIST? IT'S EXACTLY A PLOT TWIST JUST TO SEE IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION.

THERE'S A TEST AT THE END FOR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE.

YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE SIGNING UP FOR THIS.

SO RESOLUTION 2023-37 IS JUST FORMALIZING WHAT YOU ALL ALREADY DID BACK IN MARCH.

YOU'LL RECALL YOUR THEN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, WHO IS NOW YOUR CITY MANAGER, DID AN EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION ON THREE LARGE PARCELS THAT THE CITY OWNS, AND YOU TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT ANY OR ALL OF THOSE PARCELS WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO YOU WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE IN MARCH.

YOU FOUND THAT ONE PROPERTY WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE FOR CONSERVATION.

THE OTHER ONE YOU DETERMINED WOULD BE BETTER TO TRY AND SELL IT, TO OBTAIN FUNDS FOR ESSENTIALLY SEED MONEY FOR OUR WRAPAROUND HOMELESS CENTER, AND THE THIRD PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE HOLMES BOULEVARD PROPERTY THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, YOU DID DETERMINE THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO YOU WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE BACK IN MARCH.

THE STATUTE CHANGED IN THE INTERIM AND NOW ASKS YOU TO ADOPT IT BY RESOLUTION.

SO I'M JUST REITERATING WHAT YOU ALREADY FOUND IN MARCH, AND NOW WE'RE FORMALIZING IT IN A RESOLUTION, AND I DO NEED A MOTION THIS GO ROUND, BUT WE DO NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT BEFORE.

CORRECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK CONCERNING THIS IDENTIFIED PROPERTY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS PER REQUIRED BY THE LOCAL LIVE ACT.

NOBODY HERE.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS DOESN'T LIMIT US TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE COULD STILL SELL THE PROPERTY.

WE COULD STILL DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT OTHER THAN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

CORRECT? YES. IT'S JUST WE'RE REQUIRED TO CREATE AN INVENTORY AND POST IT ON OUR WEBSITE, AND THAT'S THE ONE YOU'VE DETERMINED WOULD BE SUITABLE? THEORETICALLY, YES.

WE JUST IT'S JUST FOR THAT LOCAL ACT.

SO THE COUNTY IS DOING THE SAME THING.

EVERYBODY'S DOING IT ALL AROUND THE STATE RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S JUST AN INVENTORY.

SO ANYONE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023-37.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CLERK.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ORDINANCES FIRST READING.

[9.A.1. Ordinance 2023-31: Charter amendment to remove the police pension section and codify it in the municipal code. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]

ITEM 9A1.

THANK YOU.

THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE HAS SOME INTERESTING AND COLORFUL HISTORY, I SUPPOSE, BEHIND IT.

ORDINANCE 2023-31 WOULD ESSENTIALLY LIFT THE ENTIRE SECTION IN OUR CHARTER THAT SPEAKS TO POLICE PENSION MATTERS AND PLACE IT IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE RULES AND LAWS OF THE CITY ARE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.

ONE IS THE CHARTER AND THE OTHER IS OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GENERAL EMPLOYEE AND YOUR FIRE PENSION MATTERS ARE ALL IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE, AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN YOUR CHARTER IS THE POLICE PENSION MATTERS. THE CHALLENGE WITH HAVING ANYTHING LIKE A PENSION MATTERS OR EMPLOYEE MATTERS IN A CHARTER IS

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SO THE GENERAL PUBLIC MAY NOT QUITE KNOW WHAT IT IS AND BE RELUCTANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THEY DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND.

SO THE CONCEPT WAS TO REMOVE ALL OF THE PORTIONS OF THE PENSION PLAN THAT ARE FOR THE POLICE PENSION THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CHARTER.

LITERALLY JUST REMOVE IT AND CARRY THEM OVER.

THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AND CODIFY THEM IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

THAT WAY, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO MAKE, THEY CAN DO IT THROUGH A REGULAR ORDINANCE PROCESS INSTEAD OF THIS SORT OF CLUNKY REFERENDUM PROCESS. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP.

WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH OUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.

SO THE PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE PRIMARY, WHICH IS A TONGUE TWISTER, IS IN MARCH, I BELIEVE THE 19TH THAT MONDAY, AND THIS QUESTION WOULD BE PLACED ON THAT BALLOT, WHICH WOULD BE ASKING THE PUBLIC, THE ELECTORS OR THE ELECTORATE, I SHOULD SAY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY AGREE TO ALLOW US TO REMOVE ALL THE PARTS OF THE PENSION, THE POLICE PENSION, PULL IT OUT OF THE CHARTER, PLACE IT INTO THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKING THEM.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP FOR YOU TO APPROVE ON FIRST READING THIS ORDINANCE.

I WISH MR. [INAUDIBLE] WERE IN THE BACK BECAUSE HE HAD ALL THE INTERESTING HISTORY ON SOME SORT OF A FISTICUFF AT CITY COMMISSION AND FIRING ALL OF THE POLICE OFFICERS AND HOW ALL OF THIS CAME ABOUT TO BEING PLACED IN THE CHARTER.

SO IT WAS VERY COLORFUL, FELT VERY WILD WEST BUT MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT THAT WAY ANYMORE.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? NO.

JUST THE THOUGHT THAT WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO DO A PR ON THIS FOR THE ELECTORATE BEFORE US.

SO I'M SURE YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT.

YEAH, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE EDUCATION OR.

YEAH. HERE'S THE ODDNESS.

STATE LAW CHANGED ON US.

WE USED TO BACK IN THE DAY.

SO I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY AND I WON'T GIVE YOU THE DATES ON THAT.

LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WERE ALLOWED TO DO EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGNS ON REFERENDUM QUESTIONS.

BACK IN THE DAY. YOU HAD TO REMAIN FACTUAL.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS THE LAW CHANGED AND NOW PROHIBITS US FROM DOING THAT.

SO WE CANNOT BE INVOLVED IN REALLY ANY EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN AS THE CITY, BUT I DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS, BOTH INDIVIDUALS ON THE PENSION BOARD, AS INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO CIVIC GROUPS AS IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL CAPACITY TO SPREAD THE WORD, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, IS WE REALLY CAN'T ROLL OUT AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN ANYMORE LIKE WE USED TO.

CAN THE POLICE UNION DO THAT? I'M SURE THEY CAN.

THEY'RE NOT US. IT'S JUST LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T.

SO INDIVIDUALS CAN, AND PRIVATE GROUPS LIKE UNIONS AND OTHERS PROBABLY COULD, BUT YES, I IMAGINE, AND THEY SUPPORT I DIDN'T MENTION THAT, BUT BOTH THE PENSION BOARD SUPPORTS THE CONCEPT AND SO DOES OUR UNION.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS WHAT IS THE APPROVAL PROCESS OF THE LANGUAGE THAT GOES ON THE BALLOT? DO WE HAVE ANY SAY IN THAT OR APPROVAL THAT IS YOU? I DID A DRAFT OF IT.

IT HAS TO REMAIN SINGLE SUBJECT AND IT HAS TO STAY WITHIN.

I BELIEVE IT'S 70 WORDS, AND REMEMBER THAT SPANISH IS WORDIER THAN ENGLISH, AND SO THERE IS ALWAYS THIS BATTLE OF COMING UP WITH A SHORT ENOUGH ENGLISH PHRASING OF THE QUESTION, KEEPING IT SIMPLE, THAT THEN THE SPANISH TRANSLATION WILL NOT GO OVER THE STATUTORY LIMIT AND TRUST ME, THAT IS A PAINFUL PROCESS TO DO, BUT YES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE US TWEAK ANYTHING, PLEASE MENTION IT, BUT I THINK WE CAME UP WE DID ROUTE THE PROPOSED WORDS TO OUR PENSION ATTORNEYS AS WELL, AND THEY FELT IT WAS SUFFICIENT.

SO UNLESS YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THE PHRASING, NO, AND OKAY, I DO NOTICE THAT THIS IS OUR VERY FIRST BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT. YES, IT IS.

YES, IT IS, AND I WILL BE ADDING WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING A NEW CHAPTER IN HISTORY.

YOU ARE. YOU ARE, AND I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATED BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE NOTICING IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR THE REFERENDUM, AND WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT.

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SO IT WILL BE THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE UPDATED A LITTLE BIT.

EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT.

I MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2023-31 ON FIRST READING.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

ORDINANCE--I AM SORRY.

YOU NEED TO READ THAT. I DO NEED TO READ THE SHORT TITLE.

AM I GOOD TO GO OR DID YOU HAVE SOME PERFECT TIMING? OKAY. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-31 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO REMOVE ARTICLE NINE FROM THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO INSTEAD BE CODIFIED WITHIN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE MUNICIPAL CODE, CREATING CHAPTER 20, ARTICLE SIX, SECTION 2020.

PARDON ME, 20-220 THROUGH 20-236 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO CODIFY THE POLICE OFFICERS RETIREMENT SYSTEM, PROVIDING FOR REFERENDUM PROPOSITION FOR THE NEXT SPECIAL ELECTION, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION 2023-34.

[9.B.1. Resolution 2023-34: Authorizes the application for a grant to repair/restore the Alcazar Hotel, the Pena-Peck House and the St. Augustine Visitor's Information Center and authorizes the City Manager to complete and execute necessary documents. (B. Moore, General Services Group Manager)]

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS BARBARA MOORE AND I AM THE GENERAL SERVICES GROUP MANAGER AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT RESOLUTION 2023-34, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC SAINT AUGUSTINE BUILDINGS LINE ITEM REHABILITATION PROJECT.

SO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE IN THE AMOUNT OF 3,620,000, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO FIVE REHABILITATION PROJECTS.

THE FIRST ONE IS A NEW ROOF ON THE PECK HOUSE.

THE SECOND ONE IS PAINTING THE EXTERIOR OF THE PECK HOUSE.

THE THIRD IS REPLACING THE FLOORS AT THE VISITOR'S INFORMATION CENTER.

THE FOURTH IS REPLACING THE REMAINING WINDOWS HERE AT CITY HALL AND THE LIGHTNER MUSEUM AND THE LAST PROJECT IS WATERPROOFING CITY HALL AND THE LIGHTNER MUSEUM.

THIS RESOLUTION IS ASKING YOUR PERMISSION TO GRANT THE CITY MANAGER THE ABILITY TO SIGN THE ALL GRANT RELATED DOCUMENTS.

VERY EXCITING.

IT IS. SO WE CAN THANK OUR REPRESENTATIVES IN TALLAHASSEE FOR THIS VERY LARGE PIECE OF PRESERVATION WORK THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED TO BE DONE.

SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND THANK YOU, OF COURSE.

ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE JUST ONE.

I'VE BEEN BANGING THE DRUM ABOUT THAT.

WE DON'T RECEIVE ENOUGH SALES TAX BACK FROM THE STATE BECAUSE IT ALL GOES TO TALLAHASSEE.

THIS IS ONE WAY THAT WE DO RECEIVE IT BACK, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STATE HONORING OUR NEEDS HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND FUNDING THESE.

SO GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK SO WE CAN DO THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO.

OH, LOVELY.

ALL RIGHT. SO I MOVE THAT WE PASS RESOLUTION 2023.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

PLEASE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ON THE GREAT JOB AND THANK EVERYBODY THAT WENT TO TALLAHASSEE, BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND IT'S REALLY A BLESSING TO SEE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GETTING READY TO HAPPEN.

I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET WINDOWS FOR CITY HALL FOR NUMEROUS YEARS AND THE PECK HOUSE AND THINGS, SO IT'S GOOD TO BE ABLE TO WITNESS THIS MOVING FORWARD FOR THE CITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SO WHERE ARE WE? DID I MAKE THE MOTION? I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY. RESOLUTION 2023-34, AND I SECOND THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMENTS. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ALL THAT GOOD WORK DONE.

NEXT ITEM IS RESOLUTION 2023-36.

[9.B.2. Resolution 2023-36: Supports the federal grant by St. Johns County to construct the St. Johns Safe Rail project. (R. Franklin, Assistant City Manager)]

BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, RESOLUTION 2023-36 IS A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF A COUNTY PROJECT FOR COUNTY ROAD

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SO TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.

RECENTLY, STAFF MET WITH THE COUNTY ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES AND THEY ASKED IF THE CITY WOULD SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS TO ELIMINATE THIS AT GRADE CROSSING, AND SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS TO PROVIDE A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS THERE SCHOOL BUSSES CROSS.

SO WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, NOT INSIDE THE CITY, BUT IT'S A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY.

COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY ON THIS.

ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE.

ANYONE CARE TO TAKE A STAB? I MOTION.

OKAY. OKAY, I'LL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK THE MOBILITY ISSUES ARE NOT CONFINED TO THE CITY, SO IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE TO SUPPORT IMPROVED MOBILITY COUNTYWIDE.

YEAH, WE'RE SUPPORTING THE COUNTY IN THIS, DEFINITELY SO ALL RIGHT.

SO WITHOUT HEARING ANY OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO STAFF REPORTS.

WE HAVE TWO IMPORTANT ITEMS UNDER STAFF REPORTS THIS EVENING.

MR. FRANKLIN, WILL YOU LEAD THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING WEST AUGUSTINE GATEWAY, LLC?

[10.A. Discussion regarding the Memorandum of Understanding between the City and West Augustine Gateway, LLC regarding a public parking garage at 198-212 West King Street. (R. Franklin, Assistant City Manager)]

SEPTEMBER 11TH, WE HAD BROUGHT TO YOU A DRAFT MOU AGREEMENT WITH THE BROUDY GARAGE AT WEST KING STREET. SO WE HAD LIMITED TIME OVER THE VERY LONG MEETING, SO WE HAD LIMITED TIME WITH THE DISCUSSION, BUT WE DID GET SOME FEEDBACK.

SO MR. BROUDY'S TEAM, MR. PERRY AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] ARE HERE.

THEY DID PROVIDE AN MOU WITH MODIFICATIONS.

SO BEFORE YOU AND YOUR PACKET UNDERLINED IN RED IS WHAT THEY ADDED AND STRIKETHROUGH IS WHAT THEY DELETED BASED ON THE FEEDBACK, AND THEY ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO PROVIDE THIS TIME AROUND.

JUST FOR CONTEXT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT AS FAR AS OUR LONG RANGE MOBILITY PLAN GOES.

IT WAS THE FIRST SITE THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THAT GARAGE ON THE PERIPHERY.

THE GARAGE WILL SERVE MULTIPLE PURPOSES FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

IT WILL PROVIDE FOR OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT WORKFORCE PARKING AS WELL.

WE DO PLAN TO RUN A SHUTTLE FROM THE SITE, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES PARKING FOR THE WEST KING STREET BUSINESS DISTRICT AS WELL.

ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS THAT THE COMMISSION GAVE STAFF ON OUR SIDE WAS TO PROVIDE A 30 YEAR OUTLOOK FORECAST OUTLOOK FOR THE PARKING GARAGE TO LOOK AT REVENUES.

SO STAFF HAD WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH WALKER CONSULTANTS, THEY'RE A PARKING CONSULTANT GROUP.

THEY ACTUALLY DESIGNED THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR QUITE A WHILE BECAUSE INTERNALLY STAFF, WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUR HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THE REVENUE THAT THE GARAGE WILL GENERATE.

HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST TO OPERATE? SO IT PROVIDED THAT IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.

THE ONE THING THAT WE HAD NOT DONE WAS RUNNING OUT THE 30 YEARS.

SO WE GOT WITH WALKER AND WE RAN THIS SCENARIO OUT 30 YEARS.

WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS, IS IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PARKING RATE STRUCTURE.

SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE HAD IT TO BE $20 PER ENTRY, THE GARAGE WOULD MAKE MONEY STARTING YEAR ONE, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF $20 IN THAT SITE IS SOMETHING PARKING POLICY WISE THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER AT FIRST.

WE IN MY MIND, THINKING ABOUT OUR PARKING SYSTEM, WE WANT TO MAKE THIS THE CHEAPEST AVAILABLE PARKING.

THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN IS KIND OF THAT PREMIER PREMIUM PARKING.

IT'S ANCHORED ON THE WALKABLE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

SO IN MY MIND, $10 PER ENTRY IS PROBABLY MORE IN LINE.

SO WE PROVIDED THAT AS WELL AND YOU'LL SEE THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.

WE ALSO CONSIDERED INCREASING IT EVERY FIVE YEARS BY $5.

SO IF WE TOOK THE $10 RATE AND WE INCREASED IT EVERY FIVE YEARS BY $5 BY YEAR TEN, WE WOULD BE MAKING MONEY ON THIS

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IT TOOK ABOUT SIX YEARS FOR THE EXISTING GARAGE TO GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUES WHERE IT WOULD BE COVERING ITS OWN OWN COSTS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND THAT'S WHY I ALLUDE TO WE NEED TO THINK OF THE PARKING SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.

WE HAVE A VERY STRONG REVENUES THAT ARE GENERATED FROM OUR ON STREET PARKING AND FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT CAN HELP COVER THESE COSTS HERE, BUT I DID WANT TO PROVIDE THAT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FORECAST MODEL BUT IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. BROUDY. I HAVE TWO QUICK ONES.

THIS YOUR COST DOES INCLUDE THE SHUTTLE COST.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SHUTTLE COSTS.

SO THE SHUTTLE COSTS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 330,000 A YEAR.

WE HAD IT ORIGINALLY IN HERE, BUT I TOOK IT OUT BECAUSE THE SHUTTLE COST WE DON'T HAVE IT INCLUDED WITH THE EXISTING GARAGE BUT IF WE DID WANT TO RE INCLUDE IT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $330,000 A YEAR.

OKAY, AND WHAT WAS THE WHAT THE OCCUPANCY PERCENTAGE.

SO WHAT WE DID HERE IS WE LOOKED AT OUR EXISTING PARKING GARAGE AND WE TOOK THOSE OCCUPANCY RATES AND SCALED THEM DOWN FOR THIS SIZE GARAGE, AND THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT OUR SEASONAL FLUCTUATION.

THE OTHER A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE UNKNOWN.

SO THIS IS VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.

WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE WORST CASE SCENARIO BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY WE'RE OVER.

SO THAT EVEN IN THE MOU, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] AND MR. PERRY CAN SPEAK TO THAT, WE'RE GIVING YOU THE HIGHEST END.

WE BELIEVE THAT WORKING TOGETHER WE CAN DRIVE THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS DOWN.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMN, THAT'S CONSTRUCTION DEBT.

WE BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO COME IN UNDER WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY.

WE JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU KIND OF THE HIGHEST END POSSIBLE.

I THINK THE UNKNOWNS HERE THAT ARE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS FORECAST MODELS, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE WEST KING STREET BUSINESS DISTRICT IS GOING TO USE THE GARAGE.

I HAVE A SUSPICION THAT IT'S GOING TO GET USED QUITE A BIT, BUT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN IN THIS MODEL.

SO I THINK THERE'S AS THAT BUSINESS DISTRICT GROWS AND THAT COMMUNITY GROWS, WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE A HIGHER UTILIZATION.

WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. BROUDY, MR. [INAUDIBLE] AND MR. PERRY, SO THEY COULD WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND THE CHANGES TO THE MOU THAT THEY HAVE MADE THUS FAR.

HI, COMMISSIONERS.

GOOD EVENING. WE HAVE LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY.

AT LEAST WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL AS TO COMMENTS FROM STAFF.

SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GIVE YOU A BRIEF REVIEW OF THE GARAGE, THE REASONS WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS LOCATION AND, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT THIS TO BED. WE'RE HOPING WE CAN DO SOMETHING TONIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO LET.

JASON. JASON PERRY, WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ME ON THIS PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING.

WE'LL START THE PRESENTATION.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPERTY, AND THIS IS APPROXIMATE.

SOMETIME IN THE EARLY 50S, WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY ON A US ONE KING STREET.

MY FAMILY STARTED OUT OF SPANISH STREET.

THEY SOLD CHICKENS IN THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE EVENTUALLY GOT INTO THE PRODUCE BUSINESS, AND WHEN MY UNCLES GOT BACK FROM WORLD WAR TWO, BROUDY BROTHERS INC WAS FORMED, THEY ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF US ONE AND KING STREET, AND WE BUILT A GROCERY STORE.

OVER THE YEARS, WE ACQUIRED PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THE GROCERY STORE.

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IT IS NOW SIX PARCELS SINCE WE ALSO ACQUIRED KINGS AUTO.

AROUND 2012--AND AGAIN, IT'S APPROXIMATE--JOHN AND I STARTED, JOHN REGAN AND I, STARTED KICKING AROUND THE IDEA OF A PARKING GARAGE ON MY SITE.

WELL, THINGS KIND OF GOT DRAGGED OUT.

THERE WAS NO REAL SENSE OF URGENCY AT THAT POINT.

WE KEPT UP THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT NOTHING REALLY CAME OF IT UNTIL I WANT TO SAY IT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT AROUND 2018 AGAIN, APPROXIMATELY, JTA APPROACHED THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF COMMUTER RAIL AND THEY WANT IT THAT RAIL TO TERMINATE ON MY PROPERTY BASED ON THE STUDIES THEY HAVE DONE, THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE FOR IT TO HAPPEN.

SO AT THAT POINT, CITY STAFF CALLED ME IN WITH THIS MEETING WITH JTA TO ASK FORMALLY IF I'D BE INTERESTED IN DOING A PARKING GARAGE THAT COULD ALSO DOUBLE AS A PLATFORM FOR ANY FUTURE COMMUTER RAIL. SO THIS IS WHEN THE CONVERSATIONS GOT SERIOUS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW WITH STAFF, AND I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO GUESS THE HUNDREDS OF HOURS THAT WE HAVE SPENT DISCUSSING THIS AND MASSAGING THE PROJECT TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY.

WE IN JULY PUT TOGETHER THIS MOU FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

WE HAVE SOME CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS FOR YOU TO SEE.

KEEP IN MIND THESE DESIGNS ARE CONCEPTUAL.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING IN ADDITION TO THE PARKING GARAGE APARTMENTS AS WELL AS A NEW STORE FOR MYSELF AND SOME RETAIL ON THE SITE.

EVERYTHING WE DO ON THAT SITE WILL BE DRIVEN BY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

WE HAVE, I HAVE DECIDE IT BACK WHEN THIS STARTED THAT.

THIS GARAGE IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE FOR THIS CITY AS FAR AS NOT ONLY PARKING, BUT CONGESTION IS CONCERNED.

I COULD EASILY ENVISION.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE CITY REDUCING THE RATES AT THIS PARKING GARAGE, IT ATTRACTING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE CORE OF THE CITY TO THIS SPOT, WHICH SIMULTANEOUSLY WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC TO THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU, HAVING BEEN THERE MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I HAVE MEMORIES.

I WAS BORN IN '58, SO MY MEMORIES GO BACK TO THE 60S.

AT ONE TIME, THAT WAS A VERY, VERY VIBRANT PART OF THIS CITY, AND OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE REALLY KIND OF BEEN THE FORGOTTEN CHILD.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS PART OF THE CITY.

COME BACK AGAIN.

I TRULY I BELIEVE THAT IF WE DO THIS PARKING GARAGE HERE, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE EXPAND, AND WHEN I SAY THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON ON RIBERIA STREET AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS, AND IF WE PUT THIS PARKING GARAGE IN, YOU COULD TAKE KING STREET DOWN TO PALMER STREET, YOU LITERALLY WILL GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO NOT.

JUST BE IN THE CORE OF THE CITY.

WE'RE GOING TO GROW THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN WITH THIS PARKING GARAGE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO MORE THAN JUST BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.

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YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO MAKE THE PEOPLE OR MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I MEAN, I SEE THE TOURISTS STILL STAY IN DOWNTOWN, BUT I SEE THE LOCALS MOVING MORE TO THE WEST SIDE.

WE'VE ALL SEEN THE HISTORIC SITES, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF US THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME TO DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE, BUT IT'S JUST TOO CONGESTED.

I CAN TELL YOU I AVOIDED LIKE THE PLAGUE.

MY WIFE TRIED COMING DOWNTOWN OVER THE WEEKEND AND SHE DID, BUT THE ONLY PLACE SHE COULD PARK AT WAS OUR SYNAGOGUE DOWN THE STREET HERE ON CORDOVA, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OTHER PLACE FOR HER TO PARK.

YEAH, I GET A LITTLE WORRIED HERE.

SO ULTIMATELY I DO BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT AND I AM GOING TO NOW TURN IT OVER TO JASON.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, BARRY. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS JASON PERRY. I'M WITH NINE OAKS DEVELOPMENT.

I SERVE AS THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE GATEWAY.

I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BARRY FOR A LITTLE OVER THREE YEARS NOW ON THIS PROJECT, AND FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU FOR ALL YOUR FEEDBACK YOU'VE GIVEN US OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS AND TO STAFF AS WELL.

THEY'VE GIVEN US A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK.

IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY THERE AND THIS IS AN EVOLUTION.

I THINK WE'RE AT A REALLY GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL KEEP THIS VERY HIGH LEVEL.

I'LL JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE PROJECT AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO [INAUDIBLE] KIND OF WALK US THROUGH THE HIGH LEVEL COMPONENTS OF THE MOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS BARRY JUST MENTIONED, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS REALLY IT'S CALLED SAINT AUGUSTINE GATEWAY FOR A REASON, AND THIS IS THE GATEWAY INTO THE CITY.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT, AND OUR GOAL IS TO REALLY CREATE A VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

OBVIOUSLY, IT STARTS WITH THE PARKING GARAGE.

THE PARKING GARAGE YOU SEE HERE ON THE SITE PLAN IS ABOUT 752 SPACES ON FIVE LEVELS.

THERE'S GROUND LEVEL RETAIL THAT ACTIVATE WEST KING STREET OUTFRONT OF THE GARAGE.

THERE'S ALSO GROUND LEVEL RETAIL IN THE APARTMENTS.

THERE'S ABOUT 240 APARTMENTS SITE PLAN ON THIS ON THIS SITE, INCLUDING ITS OWN PARKING GARAGE WITH VIEWS OF DOWNTOWN.

SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE AS YOU COME THROUGH.

WE'VE BEEN BUSY, AS BARRY SAID, BEEN WORKING WITH VARIOUS VARIOUS GROUPS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH DOT LAST WEEK AND THEY HAVE GIVEN US A NOD FOR THAT ENTRY EXIT OFF US ONE, WHICH IS GREAT.

THAT REALLY TAKES A LOT OF PRESSURE OFF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST KING STREET AND US ONE AND WE ALSO HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT HARTSHORN STREET, WHICH WILL ALLOW AND IF WE DO AN INNOVATIVE DESIGN ON THAT PARKING, YOU KNOW, THEY TYPICALLY DON'T LIKE TRAFFIC LIGHTS THAT CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION, BUT THROUGH INNOVATIVE DESIGN, THEY'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT WITH US AND MAYBE HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE TOO, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE SITE.

MOVING ON, JUST A FEW DESIGN PERSPECTIVES HERE.

AS BARRY MENTIONED, THESE ARE VERY CONCEPTUAL.

WE DID THIS AS SORT OF MORE MASSING STUDIES TO KIND OF SEE HOW THIS THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE PLACED ON THE SITE, AND THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING NORTHEAST BACK TOWARD DOWNTOWN. YOU SEE HARTSHORN STREET THERE WITH THE TROLLEY BUSSES ON IT, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL SEE THE ACTIVATION OF THE RETAIL ALONG WEST KING STREET. THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.

THIS IS THE TROLLEY DROP OFF AREA COMING DIRECTLY FROM WEST KING.

SO AS YOU COME, THE BUSSES WILL COME FROM DOWNTOWN.

WE'LL SWING RIGHT INTO THE PROJECT HERE, HAVE A TROLLEY PICK UP AND DROP OFF AREA.

THEY WILL COME AND LOOP AROUND THE GARAGE AND EXIT OUT THROUGH HARTSHORN STREET AND YOU'LL SEE THE COVERED AREA THERE.

YOU ALSO SEE THE SCRIM WALL THAT'S ON THE OUTSIDE.

OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T A FINAL DESIGN OR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S OUR INTENTION TO SCREEN THE GARAGE FOR ESTHETICS AND THIS IS JUST A PERSPECTIVE LOOKING AT THE TROLLEY STOP AS WELL.

WE LOOKED AT YOUR EXISTING GARAGE AND TRIED TO MAKE A VERY SIMILAR DESIGN.

SO IT FLOWS AND FUNCTIONS LIKE YOUR CENTRAL PARKING GARAGE, YOU KNOW, FOR A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, AND THERE'S ALSO ROOM FOR ACTIVATION IN THE SPACE WHERE THE CITY WANTS TO DO SOME TYPE OF AMENITY THERE.

CERTAINLY OPEN TO LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.

LASTLY, THIS IS SORT OF THE, THE BREAKDOWN OF THE SITE IN THE MOU WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND COMPONENT AND THE BUILDING COMPONENT. SO WE PUT THIS EXHIBIT TOGETHER TO REALLY SHOW A FEW THINGS.

YOU KNOW, THE BLUE REALLY REPRESENTS KIND OF WHAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE CITY.

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THIS INCLUDES THE FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.35 ACRES, AND THE BALANCE IS REALLY JUST THE CIRCULATION AROUND THE GARAGE.

THIS IS SORT OF LIKE IF THIS WERE A STANDALONE PROJECT, THIS WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT, AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING ELSE IN YELLOW IS ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE COSTS ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PIECE.

OKAY. A FEW HIGHLIGHTS HERE.

THIS LOCATION FOR THE GARAGE IS CRITICAL FOR A FEW REASONS.

THE RECTANGULAR SHAPE IS GREAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY EFFICIENT TO BUILD IN A PERFECT RECTANGLE.

YOU'RE ALSO UTILIZING [INAUDIBLE] STREET.

YOU'RE ALREADY ON IT. IT'S A CITY STREET.

YOU'RE USING THAT AS YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO REALLY YOU ONLY HAVE TO BUILD THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GARAGE IN THE BACK SIDE FOR FIRE TRUCK ACCESS AND CIRCULATION, AND AS BARRY MENTIONED, IT ALSO IS THE LOCATION THAT SUPPORTS THE FUTURE RAIL STATION.

THE FURTHER THE WEST SIDE OF THIS SITE IS WHERE JTA WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEIR COMMUTER RAIL.

THE RAIL SPUR, AS YOU KNOW, TURNS AS IT ENTERS THE SITE.

THEY NEED A LONG SPAN OF STRAIGHT TRACK SO THE FUTURE TRANSIT STATION CAN BE ACCOMMODATED ON THIS SITE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S A FEW HIGHLIGHTS.

I JUST WANT TO POINT THOSE OUT AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO I THINK BACK TO YOU, BARRY, FOR A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE CITY BENEFITS.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE I GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF.

MISSION CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE.

PARKING GARAGE ON THIS SITE LITERALLY DRAWS TRAFFIC AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

OBVIOUSLY, THE PARKING IS IMPORTANT AND I REALIZE YOU COULD HAVE PARKING IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES.

I THINK THAT WITH THE PARKING GARAGE HERE, WE LITERALLY CREATE THE NEW GATEWAY TO SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND REALLY WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AN ENTRANCE TO THE CITY.

I THINK THAT THIS COULD BE THAT GATEWAY, WHICH JUST GIVES PEOPLE ONE MORE REASON TO PARK HERE AS OPPOSED TO DRIVING AROUND DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE OR OTHER SATELLITE PARKING SPACES WHEN THEY COME INTO TOWN.

THE 2040 MOBILITY PLAN.

THE SITE IS IDENTIFIED IN YOUR 2040 MOBILITY PLAN.

MY GUESS IS AFTER THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE AND STAFF KNEW HOW DEDICATED I WAS TO THIS PROJECT, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY, FOR THIS SITE TO BE IN THIS LOCATION, AND I'M SURE THE CITY, BY INCLUDING IT IN ITS 2040 MOBILITY PLAN, FELT IT AS A WIN FOR THEM AS WELL.

IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THE ACTIVATION ON WEST KING STREET.

I MEAN, AS THE CITY ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO PARK HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THERE JUST BY DEFINITION. I COULD SEE THIS TURNING INTO A PLACE WHERE BUSINESSES CAN NOW THRIVE.

I MEAN, THERE IS NO PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.

SO THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE LITERALLY HAVE NO WAY OF EXPANDING PAST ANYTHING THAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET ON WEST KING STREET.

BY DOING THIS PARKING GARAGE AND AN OVER PARKING OVERLAY, YOU WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THIS AS A THRIVING COMMUNITY, WHICH AGAIN, AS I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, FROM RIBERIA DOWN TO PALMER, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW AREA THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT TO VISIT.

MR. BROUDY? YES.

ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MOU TODAY? WE WILL.

WELL, LET'S GET TO THAT.

[CHUCKLING] ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GET READY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M SORRY.

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WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE GARAGE HAS BEEN LOCATED IN THE MOST EFFICIENT PORTION OF THE SITE TO BEST MANAGE COSTS.

IT'S A PERFECT RECTANGLE, THREE TRAYS, FOUR LEVELS, WELL POSITIONED FOR ANY FUTURE COMMUTER RAIL.

WE'VE GOT A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, BUT THE BOTTOM PART, THE COLLABORATIVE DESIGN PROCESS THAT'S REALLY THE KEY HERE IS WE WILL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH STAFF AT EVERY STEP OF THE PROJECT TO PROGRAM DESIGN AND BUDGET THE COST FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY SURPRISES.

NO ONE LIKES SURPRISES WHEN IT COMES TO HOW MUCH MONEY THINGS COST.

YOU ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW IN ADVANCE, AND SO WE'VE STRUCTURED THE MOU TO DO JUST THAT, AND SO IT'S REALLY THE CITY AND STAFF.

WE AS THE OWNER WILL BE PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO STAFF AS TO WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED IN OUR EXPERIENCE DOING THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS AND WHAT WE SEE AS BEST PRACTICES EMPLOYED IN SIMILAR PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, BUT IT WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE CITY'S DECISION AS TO WHAT DOES OR DOES NOT GET INCORPORATED AND EXACTLY HOW THIS PROJECT LOOKS AND FEELS.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART, WE BELIEVE, OF THE MOU, AND SO THE OTHER CRITICAL AND I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY POINT HERE, BUT THE OTHER CRITICAL FACTORS TO THE MOU IS VIA THIS PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THE CITY IS ABLE TO DE-RISK IT.

THERE'S A TRANSFER OF ALL DEVELOPMENT RISK FROM THE CITY TO THE OWNER.

SO THE CITY.

TRANSFERS OUT THE RISK, BUT STILL ACQUIRES ALL OF THE CONTROL, ALL OF THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKING, ALL OF THE USAGE OF THE PROJECT AND ALL OF THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT.

IN TERMS OF THE CASH FLOW FROM THE PROJECT, WHICH MR. FRANKLIN SPOKE TO EARLIER.

SO THERE'S WE CALL IT 100% UTILITY, FULL CONTROL.

FULL USAGE.

FULL PROFITABILITY.

THOSE ARE REALLY, WE THINK, THE KEY ADVANTAGES TO THIS, AND WE'VE BUILT IN SOME OTHER PROVISIONS PURSUANT TO THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED AT THE LAST MEETING, AND SINCE THEN, IN TERMS OF WE DID INSERT, YOU ALL MAY HAVE SEEN IT A RIGHT OF FIRST OFFER IN THE CITY'S FAVOR INTO THE MOU.

SO THAT WAS THAT WAS A CHANGE FROM LAST TIME.

THE OTHER CHANGE FROM LAST TIME WAS THAT WE'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION OPTIONS.

SO AS YOU MAY RECALL AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE STRUCTURED THE LEASE TERM FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF 30 YEARS WITH WHAT WAS INITIALLY THREE, BUT WHAT IS NOW FOUR SUCCESSIVE TEN YEAR EXTENSION OPTIONS, AND THOSE EXTENSION OPTIONS CAN BE MADE AT THE CITY'S ELECTION, AT THE CITY'S SOLE ELECTION.

SO YOU ALL HAVE THE ABILITY AS THE CITY TO USE CONTROL AND PROFIT FROM THIS PROJECT FOR 70 YEARS FROM ITS OPENING DATE.

OTHER ADVANTAGES, AND I THINK WE DID DISCUSS CONTROL, BUT AND WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, WHICH I'VE GOT ONE MORE SLIDE ON THAT, BUT THIS IS READY TO GO VERY QUICKLY.

YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, WHICH WE CERTAINLY HOPE IT IS, WE'RE HIRING ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS AND ALL THE OTHER CONSULTANTS TOMORROW MORNING, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS FULLY DESIGNED AND READY TO GO FOR CONSTRUCTION START APPROXIMATELY NINE MONTHS FROM NOW, WHICH WILL VERY CONSERVATIVELY ENABLE US TO DELIVER THE GARAGE TO THE CITY IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026, IF NOT PRIOR.

AS MR. FRANKLIN MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE IN ALL OF THESE PROJECTIONS TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T SURPRISE TO THE BAD SIDE, AND IN TERMS OF THAT TRANSPARENT COLLABORATIVE DESIGN PROCESS AND BUDGETING PROCESS, IT WAS REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT ONE OF THE PARAGRAPHS IN THE MOU BE PRODUCED AS A TABLE, AND SO WE'VE WE'VE PROVIDED THAT HERE AND YOU CAN SEE EACH OF THE STEPS THAT EACH ONE OF THESE DESIGN DRAWING STEPS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE ARE THE POINTS AT WHICH WE'RE CHECKING IN WITH THE CITY, SHARING THE UPDATED DESIGN PLAN, SHARING THE UPDATED BUDGETS SO EVERYONE IS FULLY INFORMED THAT EACH STEP OF THE WAY AND THE MOU PROVIDES FOR THE CITY TO AT EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL STEPS GIVE A CONTINUED THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WISHES TO CONTINUE TO PROCEED OR NOT.

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SO I WAS GOING TO HAVE ASK BARRY IF HE COULD POP UP AND JUST SUMMARIZE THE LAST COUPLE OF POINTS.

YES. SO I AM GOING TO TELL YOU, YOU CAN SEE THIS AND MOST OF IT'S SELF-EXPLANATORY.

THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MOU THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE.

ONE, WITH COMMISSIONER GARRIS, I GAVE HER MY COMMITMENT THAT THE INCREASE IN THE LAND RENTAL WILL GO FROM 3% TO 2.5% BECAUSE I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW, I DO HEAR YOU AND I DO WANT TO MEET YOU SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE WITH THIS PROJECT.

THE OTHER THING THAT'S NOT UP THERE, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS FROM STAFF IS THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO OWN THIS THING AT THE END.

SO AT THE END OF THE 30 YEAR LEASE PERIOD, WE ARE GOING TO INSERT THE OPTION FOR THE CITY TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AT FAIR MARKET VALUE.

FAIR MARKET VALUE IS DETERMINED.

YOU'LL HAVE AN APPRAISER, YOU'LL PICK WE'LL PICK AN APPRAISER, AND THEN WE'LL AGREE ON A THIRD APPRAISER AND WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE THREE APPRAISALS, AVERAGE THEM OUT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE LAND WOULD COST YOU IF YOU DECIDE TO PURCHASE IT. THE ONE THING I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF IS WE'RE GIVING YOU THE OPTION TO DO THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW YOU DO WANT TO DO THAT.

WELL, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU MAY WANT TO CONTINUE LEASING IT.

SO KEEP IN MIND, YOU ALSO HAVE AT THIS POINT, FOUR 10-YEAR EXTENSIONS SO THAT WHEN WE'RE ALL GONE 30 YEARS FROM NOW, IF THE CURRENT CITY DECIDES THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEY CAN, AND OF COURSE, THE OTHER OPTION IS AT THE END OF 30 YEARS, IF FLYING CARS HAVE TAKEN OVER AND YOU WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS BUILDING OR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU CAN WALK AWAY FROM IT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO, MR. BROUDY, I HOPE I DIDN'T INTERRUPT.

NO, NO, NO. YOU FINISHED YOUR WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS.

OKAY. SO WHAT IS NEW TONIGHT? WHAT'S NOT IN WHAT YOU PRESENTED AS YOU CAN BUY THE PROPERTY THAT IS.

THAT'S IT? AT THE END OF 30 YEARS, AND SO WHAT ABOUT I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT IS THAT THE ONLY THING.

NO. BECAUSE WE YOU MENTIONED THE 2.5% INTEREST IS THAT IN THIS MOU.

WHAT WHERE IS THAT? IT'S NOT IN THERE. WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.

ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE NOT. NOT IN THERE, BUT IT WILL BE IN THERE? OH, OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

MY QUESTION WAS BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS ASKED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE.

IT'S NOT SO I AM VERBALLY TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THERE BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONER GARRIS.

SO BEFORE IT'S EXECUTED IT WILL CHANGE.

IF IT IS APPROVED TONIGHT, IT WILL BE 2.5%.

CORRECT? OKAY, AND THAT WHAT WILL ALSO BE DIFFERENT IS WE WILL HAVE THE OPTION OF THE CITY IN THE FUTURE, WHATEVER FUTURE TIME THAT IS WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF PURCHASING THE LAND, WHICH IS BEEN NARROWED DOWN TO THE AREA IN BLUE THAT YOU PRESENTED US.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT THE LAND IS.

YES. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE SITE.

IT'S JUST THAT ONE PIECE.

THAT IS CORRECT. THE PIECE UNDER THE GARAGE? NO, WE GET TO KEEP THE REST OF IT.

YOU ONLY GET THE GARAGE.

CORRECT. IF I COULD JUST.

OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING 30 YEARS, RIGHT? YES. JUST SOME UNDETERMINED TIME, 30 YEARS, BUT THEN TEN, TEN, TEN, WHATEVER COMBINATION IN THE FUTURE.

SO IF WE DON'T BUY IT, IF WE DON'T BUY IT, WE CONTINUE TO LEASE IT.

TEN, TEN, TEN, TEN.

OKAY. CORRECT, BUT IF WE BUY IT AT FAIR MARKET VALUE, IT STOPS, CORRECT? YES. SO THAT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE HANDING GOOD CHOICES TO FUTURE COMMISSIONS.

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I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT 2.5 ACRES LAST TIME AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO ACRES FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO WE TOOK--I'M SORRY, BUT THE LAND LEASE HAS NOT CHANGED.

YOU'RE STILL AT $300,000 A YEAR AT 2.5%, IS THAT CORRECT? OH, NO. LET ME HAVE THIS ONE.

SO WHEN WE FIRST PUT THIS TOGETHER, WE HAD A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE LAND VALUE WAS, AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE UP TO TWO AND A HALF ACRES.

I RANDOMLY CAME UP WITH THAT $300,000 BASED ON THE BEST INFORMATION I HAD AVAILABLE TO ME AT THE TIME. AT THAT POINT, I DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE.

APPRAISAL PER SQUARE FOOT WAS.

I JUST DIDN'T DO THE MATH.

IT JUST IT LOOKED LIKE THE RIGHT NUMBER.

SO AT THIS POINT, AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW, WE THINK IT'S ABOUT TWO ACRES.

SO WHEN WE DESIGN THE GARAGE WITH THE ENGINEERS, WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH LAND IS THERE.

IT WORKED OUT, I BELIEVE, TO ABOUT $3.08 PER SQUARE FOOT BASED ON THE APPRAISAL WHICH AND YOU GUYS FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF YOU WANT, WHICH AT TWO ACRES I THINK WHATEVER IT WAS PER SQUARE FOOT IF I WAS WRONG, BUT IT WORKED OUT TO LIKE $308,000 BASED ON THE APPRAISAL.

WE LEFT IT AT 300,000.

EVEN IF IT'S TWO ACRES.

THAT JUST WAS THE NUMBER THAT FELT RIGHT AT THE TIME BASED ON WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL IT'S DONE TO FIGURE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN THE ACREAGE AND THEN CHARGE THAT $3 TIMES THAT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THAT IN THE CONTRACT IN THE MOU, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THE COMMON AREA AND THERE'LL BE SOME ARRANGEMENT MADE BETWEEN HOW WE DIVIDE UP THE COMMON AREA, AND ONE OF MY COMMENTS WAS THAT WAS KIND OF VAGUELY WRITTEN TO SAY, IS IT 50/50? IS IT 60/40? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AT THAT TIME.

SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE VAGUE, BUT I THINK THE MOU IS DIFFERENT IN THAT IT DOES HAVE AN AMOUNT FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THAT AFTER IT'S BUILT, WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE THE FOOTPRINT AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PAY BASED ON $3 AND WHATEVER IT IS, PER SQUARE FOOT.

YEAH. ACTUALLY, [INAUDIBLE] WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY SOME OF THAT SINCE I AM REALLY SHOOTING OFF THE HIP HERE, SO.

OKAY, GREAT, GREAT QUESTIONS.

SO FIRST OF THE GRAPHIC, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT SHADES OF BLUE HERE.

ONE IS ESSENTIALLY THE FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE BUILDING.

THAT WILL BE THE PREMISES, A DEFINED TERM UNDER THE LEASE AGREEMENT.

SO CERTAINLY YOU'LL BE LEASING THAT.

THE SLIGHTLY DARKER SHADE OF BLUE, AS JASON MENTIONED, THAT IS A PORTION OF COMMON AREA, AND IF THE REST OF THE PROPERTY SIMPLY DIDN'T EXIST, THEN ONLY THE GARAGE PROJECT EXISTED.

THAT OTHER SHADE OF BLUE IS WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE TO SERVICE ONLY THE GARAGE.

SO WE GOT TOGETHER WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEER.

WE SOCIALIZED THIS WITH STAFF AS WELL, AND WE SAID, LET'S JUST TAKE THE PORTION OF THE COMMON AREA NECESSARY FOR THE GARAGE AND ALLOCATE IT TO THE GARAGE IN TERMS OF LAND AREA. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.

EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THE GARAGE STAYS WITH WHAT I'LL CALL THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

MAY I? YES, COMMISSIONER BLONDER.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS IN WRITING VERY SPECIFICALLY.

I'M NOT SEEING IT IN WRITING IN THIS MOU, AND THAT BOTHERS ME.

I'LL JUST BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.

WE AGREE IT SHOULD BE IN WRITING.

WE BELIEVE IT IS IN WRITING IN SECTION 8.D OF THE NEW MOU, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO TWEAKING LANGUAGE, BUT WHAT THAT SAYS, D AS IN DOG. D AS IN DOG, CORRECT.

8.D SO WE SAY THERE THE APPRAISED FAIR MARKET RENTAL VALUE OF THE LAND WAS $3.56 PER SQUARE FOOT.

THAT'S THE RENTAL RATE APPLIED TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS A COMMERCIALLY REASONABLE ALLOCATION OF COMMON AREAS, NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE TO SERVICE THE

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SO THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN.

WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUILD THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO MEASURE THAT, BUT AS THE EXACT FULLY REFINED CIVIL ENGINEERING DESIGN PROGRESSES, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEASURE THAT MORE PRECISELY.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S SHAKING OUT TO RIGHT ABOUT TWO ACRES EVEN IT MIGHT FLUCTUATE SLIGHTLY UP, SLIGHTLY DOWN, BUT IT SHOULDN'T MOVE TOO MUCH FROM ABOUT THAT TWO ACRE NUMBER. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO ADD A WORD IN THERE SOMEHOW, AND MAYBE OUR ATTORNEY COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF SERVING SERVICING ONLY THE PROJECT.

I THINK IF WE ADDED IN THE WORD ONLY, THAT WOULD TO SERVICE NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE TO SERVICE ONLY THE PROJECT.

I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

THAT'S OUR INTENTION, AND CAN I JUST MENTION SOMETHING? JUST BECAUSE MY CLIENT, I THINK, BELIEVES THAT EITHER I OR THE THREE ATTORNEY TEAM FROM BRYANT MILLER OLIVE HAS REVIEWED THESE VERBALLY PROPOSED CHANGES OR THESE CHANGES, WE HAVE NOT.

SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

CERTAINLY, IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO GO FORWARD ON A CONCEPTUAL YES, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY UP TO YOU.

GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO CONFIRM IN WRITING, BUT THERE IS NO FINAL DOCUMENT WITH THE STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THAT YOUR TEAM OF LAWYERS, WHETHER IT'S ME OR REALLY, WE HAVE A TEAM FROM BRYANT MILLER OLIVE, WHICH CONSISTS OF A TAX ATTORNEY, A BOND ATTORNEY AND A PUBLIC CONTRACT ATTORNEY, AND THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THESE CHANGES.

I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVEN BEEN DRAFTED SOME OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

SO I JUST WANT TO CAUTION YOU ON JUST WHOLESALE AGREEING TO A DOCUMENT THAT HASN'T ACTUALLY BEEN DRAFTED OR REVIEWED.

AGREED. THESE ARE VERBAL CHANGES HERE AND WE CANNOT POTENTIALLY WRITE THEM IN AND AGREE TO THEM TONIGHT WITHOUT REVIEW FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

SO LET'S JUST THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR.

I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THIS EXHIBIT THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US BE IN THE MOU AS WELL, WE COULD EASILY ATTACH THAT AS A CONCEPTUAL EXHIBIT.

JUST TO CLARIFY, TO GIVE AS MUCH CLARIFICATION AS POSSIBLE MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ALL NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AND THE 2.5.

COMMISSIONER. VICE MAYOR.

OKAY. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS STILL, BUT THE QUESTION IS NOT DO WE SEE THE VALUE IN THIS LOCATION? THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

I THINK ALL OF US.

I CAME ON THE COMMISSION IN 2012, SO I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT SINCE THEN.

I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THE PARTNERSHIP, A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOREVER NOW.

THE PROBLEM I SEE IS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, WHAT YOU'RE VALUING THE PROPERTY AT, AND THIS $300,000 LEASE ISSUE IS TIED TO THAT PROPERTY VALUE.

WE HAVE A APPRAISAL AT 1.6.

YOU HAVE APPRAISAL AT 4.5 OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, BUT THAT'S A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE ON WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH AND I'VE HEARD--I HAVEN'T HEARD IT DIRECTLY TO ME--BUT I HEARD THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ZONING TO HAVE THE DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE USE THAT YOU WANT TO DO, AND OF COURSE, WE GAVE YOU THAT ZONING.

SO WHY WOULD WE BE PAYING SUCH A PREMIUM FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE IF IT'S A PARTNERSHIP? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M DISTURBED WITH THAT.

I MEAN, EVEN IF WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY LEASE, IF YOU DROP IT TO 2.5 AT $300,000 A YEAR, WE'RE TALKING $13 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS, 13 MILLION, AND THEN THE PRICE, WHATEVER THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IS ON TOP OF THAT.

SEEMS LIKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE PAYING FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE THAT YES, IT'S A GREAT LOCATION, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THE ONLY LOCATION, AND WE'RE ENTERING INTO A PARTNERSHIP.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IN GOOD FAITH, BUT I THINK THESE NUMBERS ARE REALLY OFF.

SORRY, I DO.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CORNER PROPERTY.

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YES. THE CORNER PROPERTY WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO A WALMART OR CVS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THIS IS DOWN THE BLOCK.

WE'RE TALKING A PARKING GARAGE DOWN THE BLOCK, AND I CAN SAY THERE'S A LOT OF NEED IN THE AREA.

WE WANT TO SEE WEST AUGUSTINE GROW.

WE ALL DO, BUT I JUST THINK THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT OFF.

I WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A CRA IN PLACE.

THIS IS NOT FOR YOU BUT FOR US BEFORE WE ENTER INTO THIS OR WE'RE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET A CRA BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF HOW WE PAY FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE.

I WAS THINKING THAT ONCE WE PAID THAT 30 YEARS, IT'S LIKE A LEASE TO OWN AFTER WE PAID 30 YEARS AND WE PAID WHATEVER MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THIS PROPERTY, WE WOULD OWN IT. NOT THAT WE WOULD THEN PAY ANOTHER 6 OR $8 MILLION AFTER 30 YEARS.

AGAIN, YOU SAY THAT THE RISK IS NOT ON US, BUT WE'RE WE WOULD BE SIGNING INTO PAYING WHATEVER THIS PARKING GARAGE ENDS UP BEING BUILT FOR.

OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE IN NEGOTIATION; STAFF WILL BE WORKING AND EVERYTHING ON THAT, BUT W HAT IF YOU SAY THERE ARE NO SURPRISES? YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE QUITE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

WE'RE SAYING IT'S $35 MILLION TO BUILD THIS GARAGE.

WE PAID $20,000,000 20 YEARS AGO FOR ALMOST TWICE THE PARKING SPOTS.

SO $35 MILLION MAY BE THE NUMBER.

WHAT IF IT'S $40 MILLION AND WE END UP PAYING $80 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS TO CONSTRUCT IT? SO IT'S 80 PLUS THE 13 MILLION.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST SO EXPENSIVE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL, BUT.

I JUST THINK IT STARTS WITH THE PROPERTY VALUE AND WE'RE NOT GETTING A GOOD VALUE ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY TO DO THIS AS A PARTNERSHIP.

SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER BLONDER.

I THINK COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR HORVATH MAKES A GOOD POINT, AND I'M NOT SURE CONCEPTUALLY I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN MUCH MORE SPECIFIC DESCRIPTIONS OF WHERE WE'RE HEADING AND THEN THE VETTING BY ATTORNEYS AND SO FORTH.

CONCEPTUALLY, I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, BUT I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, VICE MAYOR HORVATH, AND IN FACT, I NOTED IN THE REVISED MOU, WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE ON UNDER 8.E AS IN ELEPHANT, IT STATES THAT THE LEASE EXTENSION WOULD BE BASED ON, QUOTE, THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE LAND'S HIGHEST AND BEST USE, AND I MAYBE WE'RE BOTH CATCHING THAT AS BEING SOMETHING THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

THE SE WOULD BE A GARAGE.

THERE WOULD BE A GARAGE SITTING ON IT IN 30 YEARS, AND SO THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE MIGHT BE TEARING DOWN THAT GARAGE AND BUILDING A CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX OR A RETAIL OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD OVERVALUE WHAT WAS WHAT WE ACTUALLY ARE PAYING FOR, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE LANGUAGE IN THERE, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

THAT GIVES ME PAUSE, AND.

I THINK YOU ANSWERED ALL THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. OTHERWISE. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.

COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

YES. YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERY DAY WE GET PEOPLE SAYING DO SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING.

SO THIS IS ONE STEP THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY MAKE, AND I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE COMMON AREA VAGUELY, AND I THINK I'VE GOT AN ANSWER ON THAT FROM WHAT YOU POINTED OUT, AND PRIMARILY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ROAD THAT RUNS BEHIND FROM US, ONE, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE GARAGE, WE WOULD NOT BE PAYING ANY LEASE ON THAT LAND.

I WAS ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THIS WITHOUT THE OPTION TO PURCHASE.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR MR. BROUDY SAY HE'S WILLING TO DO THE PURCHASE BECAUSE I THINK FOR US TO PUT THAT KIND OF RESTRICTION ON A FUTURE BOARD AND A FUTURE PUBLIC WOULD BE RESTRICTIVE, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A REPORT THAT SAYS AT LEAST IN TEN YEARS WE'LL BREAK EVEN.

I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL ALWAYS BREAK EVEN ON PARKING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CITY, INCLUDING LOSING MONEY ON THIS GARAGE FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS.

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THEORETICALLY, UNLESS SOMETHING A TRAGEDY HAPPENS.

SO I THINK I LOOK AT THIS PURCHASE OF THE GARAGE AND THE LEASE AS A PACKAGE AS ONE THING, AND I THINK IF I WAS BUILDING SOMEBODY A HOUSE AND I WAS HOLDING THE MORTGAGE, I WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO HOLD THE LAND UNTIL THAT MORTGAGE WAS SATISFIED.

WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE, YOU DON'T BUY A HOUSE AND THE LAND SEPARATELY, YOU BUY A ONE PACKAGE.

SO WE'RE SORT OF BUYING A GARAGE IN A LAND PACKAGE AND BY REDUCING TO TWO AND HALF A PERCENT AND I WISH I HAD A GOOD CALCULATOR HERE TO FIGURE IT OUT BY REDUCING THE HALF PERCENT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE PASSED ANYWAY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE MORE THAN THE VALUE OF THE LAND IN 30 YEARS.

SO I'M INCLINED TO SAY THIS IS LOOKING LIKE A PRETTY GOOD DEAL WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE $3 MILLION A YEAR AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING A PROFIT WITHIN A FEW YEARS AND THAT TAXPAYERS MONEY WON'T BE USED AND WE'LL GET THE PARKING GARAGE THAT WE REALLY NEED. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE NOT READY AS FAST AS HE'S SAYING, WE CAN GET THE GARAGE.

WE'RE NOT READY FOR A SHUTTLE BECAUSE KING STREET IS NOT PREPARED FOR A SHUTTLE.

THE BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE OUT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

WHO KNOWS HOW LONG.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT I'M MORE INCLINED TO APPROVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

COULD I? YEAH.

WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT OUR THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED.

CAN WE PUT THIS UP? YES, AND MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE SMALL, BUT MAYBE YOU WANT TO HAVE IT, DAVID.

YES, I UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AT 7:00.

OH, NO, SHE'S LEAVING.

I NEED YOU, BARBARA. I NEED YOU.

YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK? BECAUSE I NEED TO TAKE A BREAK, TOO.

IT'S ALREADY 7:00.

LET'S TAKE A VERY SHORT BREAK, AND WE'LL BE BACK AT 7:15, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

VICE MAYOR. YOU HAD THE FLOOR.

SO IT'S NOT ABLE TO BE SHRUNK A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT ANYWAY, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LEFT.

YEAH. THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO SEE THE BOTTOM.

ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IT'S 300,000 AT 3%.

THERE WE GO. THAT'S GOING TO BE BETTER.

YEAH. YOU CAN THEN SLIDE THE SHEET DOWN AND MAYBE BRING IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO READ THAT.

NOW DIAL IT BACK UP.

YOU'RE GOING DOWN? YEAH. THAT'S GETTING BETTER.

OKAY. SO THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE IDEA OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY OR OF THE LEASE.

ON THE LEFT SIDE, IT'S 300,000 AT 3%, 2.5%, 2%.

THEN IT'S 250 AND THEN IT'S 200, AND THEN ON THE FAR RIGHT, IT'S OUR APPRAISED VALUE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN PAYOUT OVER 30 YEARS.

WHAT THEY HAVE JUST AGREED TO TONIGHT IS THE FAR LEFT COLUMN, WHICH THE CENTER COLUMN THERE AT 2.5% FOR $300,000 A YEAR WOULD BE $13,170,811.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FAR APART.

LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

AFTER AT 2.5%, WE WOULD BE WELL, EVEN AT YEAH, 2.5% WOULD BE 8 MILLION.

NO, NO, I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE THAT ON THIS SHEET THAT I HAVE BUT, SAY, 2.5%, WHAT DOES THAT READ? CAN YOU READ IT? $5,900,000.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

DOUBLE, OR OVER DOUBLE THAT WHAT WE'RE PAYING.

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ALL RIGHT. SO THE BASE LAND LEASE AND YOU HAD MENTIONED, I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT YOU MADE THAT WAS INTERESTING WAS ON THE APPRAISAL.

YES, AND THE DIFFERENCE OF APPRAISALS AND THE APPRAISALS THAT WE HAVE WERE BASED ON OUR OWN ACTIONS, INCREASING THE LAND VALUES THROUGH THE ZONING TOOLS.

RIGHT. SO BASICALLY ON PAPER, YEAH.

SO, SO BUT I MEAN, WE WENT INTO IT, YOU KNOW, AS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP SAYING, YES, WE UNDERSTAND THEY NEED MORE DENSITY, THEY NEED MORE HEIGHT IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS PARKING GARAGE LOCATION AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WHY ARE WE PAYING ALL THAT DIFFERENCE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE BUILDING AS AN ASSET FOR THE CITY? AND THEIR PEOPLE CAN USE IT TOO.

SO TO ME, I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENT ON THAT.

I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ON OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

HOW MANY PARKING GARAGES HAVE YOU DONE? MY CAREER, I'VE DONE PROBABLY ABOUT 7 TO 8 PARKING GARAGES.

A LOT OF MIXED USE PROJECTS.

WE DO HAVE PARKING GARAGES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING, ANYTHING TO OFFER, ANYTHING TO ANY ANY RESPONSE.

SURE THING. THERE WAS A LOT THERE, BUT WE'LL TRY AND ADDRESS IT ALL.

WE THINK, BARRY AND I WERE TALKING DURING THE BREAK WITH JASON, AND WE THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A GLOBAL ISSUE, AND KIND OF PROCEDURALLY, WE DO REQUEST THAT OUR REQUEST OF YOU ALL TONIGHT WOULD GENERALLY BE THAT YOU ALL MAKE A MOTION AND APPROVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MOU AS PRESENTED, BUT WITH THE VARIOUS TWEAKS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT AND I'LL BRIEFLY LIST A FEW OF THOSE OUT FOR YOU.

ONE WOULD BE TO SIMPLY CHANGE THE 3% GROWTH RATE TO 2.5%.

THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE, AND THAT'S EASY ENOUGH.

IT'S JUST CHANGING A NUMBER.

NUMBER TWO WOULD BE TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT THE COMMON AREA ALLOCATED TO THIS PROJECT BE THAT PORTION OF THE COMMON AREA NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE TO SERVE ONLY THIS PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO A DIFFERENT PORTION OF THE PROJECT, AND SIMILARLY, ATTACH THE GRAPHIC WE HAD UP EARLIER WITH THE BLUE SHADED AREA AS AN EXHIBIT TO CONFIRM THAT IS GENERALLY THE EXPECTATION.

AGAIN, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY MATERIAL DEVIATION FROM THAT.

IT'D JUST BE MINOR CHANGES AT CIVIL ENGINEERING DESIGN PROCEEDS, AND THEN NUMBER THREE WOULD OF COURSE BE THE BIG ONE TO INCORPORATE THE PURCHASE OPTION, AND WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE SUBSTANTIALLY ALL OF THE LANGUAGE NEEDED FOR THAT PURCHASE OPTION IS ALREADY CONTAINED IN THIS MOU, SPECIFICALLY THE PART ABOUT FAIR MARKET RENT.

WE WOULD SIMPLY JUST CHANGE THE WORD RENT TO VALUE AND REALLY THE REST OF IT STAYS THE SAME.

IT'S A VERY SIMPLE COPY AND PASTE JOB, BUT MORE GLOBALLY SPEAKING, WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE MOU WITH THOSE SPECIFICALLY DELINEATED CHANGES WITH THE FURTHER CONDITION THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL, ALL COUNCIL THAT THEY ELECT TO TRULY FINALIZE THE DOCUMENT, FINALIZE THE LANGUAGE, WHICH WOULD THEN PROCEDURALLY ALLOW US TO COME TO A FORMALIZED FINAL DOCUMENT WITH STAFF AND THEY WOULD THEN BE EMPOWERED TO EXECUTE IT AND SUCH THAT WE COULD PROCEED WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO YET ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE OUR REQUEST PROCEDURALLY.

SUBSTANTIVELY, WE ARE HAPPY TO GO INTO IT FURTHER.

OH. SORRY. SORRY.

DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.

I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE RENT.

THE AMOUNT OF RENT.

ON THIS PROJECT, WHEN WE BUILT THIS, WHATEVER THE MORTGAGE IS ON THE GARAGE WILL BE A DIRECT PASS THROUGH TO THE CITY.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME ESTIMATES BASED ON TALKING TO GARAGE PEOPLE.

THE ONLY THING I MAKE ON THIS IS THE RENT ON THE LAND.

THE MOD, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY DID APPROVE IT.

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THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WORKED FOR TO GET.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY OF THIS MOD.

I PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT, AND RIGHT NOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS FROM OUR APPRAISER, VALUED AT ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE WITH THE ZONING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

FOR ME TO TAKE ANYTHING LESS THAN THE CURRENTLY APPRAISED VALUE.

REALLY DOESN'T REWARD ME OR MY FAMILY FOR THE WORK I'VE PUT INTO THIS PROJECT.

I REALLY WANT TO MEET YOU HALFWAY.

I REALLY WANTED TO OWN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE REST OF MY FAMILY'S LIVES A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW.

I WANTED THEM TO HAVE A REVENUE FROM THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT I UNDERSTOOD THE FACT THAT AFTER 30 YEARS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY FELT LIKE THIS SHOULD BE AN ASSET, AND THIS IS ME MEETING YOU HALFWAY ON THIS SO THAT YOU CAN OWN IT IF YOU WANT TO OWN IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO IT SHOULDN'T BE VALUED AT ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

YOU GAVE US A ZONING AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AN ANALOGY, I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER HORVATH IS SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE A CAR, YOU HAVE A 1963 CORVAIR CORSA, VERY NICE CAR, 140 HORSEPOWER, BUT IT DOESN'T RUN, AND IT NEEDS A PAINT JOB AND IT NEEDS NEW WHEELS, AND SO YOU GO TO YOUR DAD AND YOUR DAD SAYS, SURE, I'LL GIVE YOU WHEELS AND I'LL GIVE YOU A NEW ENGINE AND I'LL GIVE YOU A PAINT JOB, AND THEN YOU GO SELL IT AT THE MARKET VALUE TODAY, WHICH IS ABOUT $36,000 AND YOUR DAD SAYS, WAIT A MINUTE, PAY ME FOR MY WHEELS, AND YOU SAY, NO, I SOLD IT AT THE VALUE OF WHAT I HAD IT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IS THAT WE SORT OF IN OUR AGREEMENT, WE GAVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL VALUE FOR THAT LAND.

I'VE ALSO HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT Y'ALL MADE THAT IF WE DON'T GO THIS WAY, THAT YOU'LL REVERT BACK TO THE OLD ZONING AND, WH AT I SAID WAS I WOULD RELOOK AT MY OPTIONS.

I MAY OR MAY NOT GO BACK TO THE OLD.

OKAY, SO LET'S ASSUME THAT YOU DO GO BACK AND THEN THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY GOES BACK TO WHAT OUR APPRAISER LEFT IT AT.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION IS SORT OF ASKING YOU AS A LAST OPTION HERE, WHAT IS YOUR FINAL AND BEST OFFER ON THE CORVAIR THAT WE JUST UPGRADED FOR YOU? YEAH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT ONE THING.

YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON IS THE RENT ON THIS GARAGE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

HE DID SAY. NO, YOU SAID THAT, BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE.

I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO THIS PROPERTY, AND I DO THINK THAT SO THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION YET, YOU KNOW, SO I DO THINK YOU'LL DO VERY WELL ON THIS PROPERTY.

I THINK YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN ALL THE TOOLS YOU NEED TO DO THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF A PARTNERSHIP, AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO WORK WITH US A LITTLE BIT MORE.

TO MAKE US A LITTLE BIT HAPPIER.

SO THAT WE. WELL, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THIS.

YOU MENTIONED ONE THING ABOUT ESTABLISHING A CRA BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MAKE THIS DEAL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD POINT AT ALL, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD TO DO ON THE GARAGE.

THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL GARAGE.

THE PARKING GARAGE.

THE CRA WAS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE PARKING GARAGE, AND OF COURSE, THAT WAS A WISE THING.

WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A PARKING, UM, BASED ON BLIGHT.

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PLEASE, NOBODY GET UPSET ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT IS LIKE THE LEGAL TERM THAT WE HAVE TO USE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA TO ESTABLISH A CRA BUT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD POINT.

MADAM MAYOR, CAN I FOLLOW UP WITH THAT POINT, PLEASE? YES, PLEASE.

SO WE DID HAVE A CONSULTANT DO AN ABBREVIATED FINDING OF NECESSITY.

OKAY. PREVIOUS TO YOUR CURRENT INSTRUCTIONS, AND THEY DID FIND BLIGHT AND IT WAS CENTERED AT THIS SITE.

IT WAS THE WEST KING STREET CORRIDOR.

OKAY. NOW, SINCE YOU'VE EXPANDED OUR WEST CITY CRA TO ENCOMPASS MOST OF THE CITY BALANCE WEST OF US ONE, WE'RE ASKING THE SAME CONSULTANT TO EXPAND THAT FINDING OF NECESSITY.

YOU ARE THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO YOU DID A PRELIMINARY FINDING ON COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S RIGHT, BUT NOW YOU WANT TO SO WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT IN THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, AND SO IT SUGGESTS TO ME THAT HE, THE CONSULTANT, WILL CONTINUE TO FIND BLIGHTED AREAS IN THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WHICH HE'S ALREADY DONE, WHICH IF THE CRA IS CREATED, COULD ACT THE SAME WAY OUR HISTORIC AREA CRA DOES, IN WHICH IT PROVIDES A DEDICATED FUNDING STREAM TO PAY BACK THE NOTE ON THE GARAGE.

YES. SO IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT NOT IF IT'S IN OUR NOT IF IT'S IN OUR CIP.

I MEAN, NOT. WELL, THIS ISN'T WOULD NOT BE IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.

PAYING BACK THE GARAGE WOULD NOT.

NO, BUT IT WOULD POSSIBLY BE JUST LIKE OUR EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT CRA COVERS PAYING BACK THE NOTE ON OUR EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT PARKING GARAGE.

WE ENVISIONED THE SAME SCENARIO HERE.

RIGHT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT I'D ALSO REMIND YOU THAT PARKING THAT CRA DID NOT COME TO FRUITION AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE CITY FATHERS AT THE TIME THOUGHT IT WOULD COME TO FRUITION, AND SO THE ACTUALLY THE WHOLE PART ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THIS BREAKING EVEN OR THIS IS GOING TO MAKE MONEY.

I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING YOU SHOWED US THAT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE NUMBERS, IT WAS GOING TO BE 17 YEARS.

THAT'S BASED ON THE RATE THAT WE CHARGE PEOPLE TO PARK IN THE GARAGE.

YEAH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE'S NO WAY TO PREDICT HOW QUICKLY THE WEST SIDE WILL INCREASE IN VALUE AND PUT TIF MONEY INTO THAT CRA, BUT CERTAINLY MR. BROUDY'S PROPERTY WILL INCREASE IN VALUE TREMENDOUSLY WHEN IT GETS VALUED AND THAT DIFFERENCE IN VALUATION WILL GO INTO OUR CRA THAT COULD THEN BE USED TO SUBSIDIZE OUR GARAGE.

RIGHT, AND ALSO TO SUBSIDIZE $330,000 TROLLEYS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE IN HERE.

THAT'S RIGHT, AND THE OVERPASS THAT WE TALK ABOUT DOING, YOU KNOW, WALKING OVER OR BIKING OVER, YOU KNOW, WITH AN ELEVATOR FOR HANDICAPPED PEOPLE. IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE THING THAT HAS TO BE PAID FOR TO MAKE THIS REALLY WORK THE WAY WE WANT IT TO WORK.

SO, I MEAN, I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS BEFORE WE COMMIT.

I AGREE, AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH MR. DIPIAZZA IN THAT THIS IS.

RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE AN INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ISN'T CRITICALLY NEEDED IN THE CITY.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME, AND THAT IT'S THE THING THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, PARKING AND TRAFFIC.

THESE ARE ALWAYS OUR CHALLENGES.

SO I DO WANT TO SAY I MORE THAN EVER WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT.

CAN. CAN I HAVE MY TURN? SURE. OKAY.

THANKS. BASICALLY, I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS WHOLE BROUDY PROJECT SINCE BEFORE I GOT ON THE COMMISSION. I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR WANTING THIS TO COME TO THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE WEST SIDE.

THE IMPROVEMENTS TO ENHANCE THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN DOMINANT, JUST SITTING THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND I DID WITNESS A LOT OF THE GROUP COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION EXPLAINING THEIR PARTS, AND I WAS HERE WHEN YOU GUYS DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO ALL THE MODS AND DO ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS AND UPSCALING THE PROPERTY.

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I STILL SEE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THE PARKING, AND I AM REALLY PROUD OF MR. BROUDY BECAUSE WHEN I MET WITH HIM WITH THE TWO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, HE DID NOT WANT TO BUDGE AND SELL HIS PROPERTY AT ALL, PERIOD. HE DID NOT WANT TO SELL THAT PROPERTY.

HE WANTED IT TO CONTINUE TO GO ON FROM ERES TU ERES TU ERES.

SO, I THINK IT WAS REALLY COMMENDABLE OF HIM TO UNDERSTAND THAT, LIKE WE'RE ALL IN OFFICE NOW AND 30 YEARS FROM NOW, IF THE CURRENT COMMISSION DOESN'T THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK TO SEE WHO MADE THIS DEAL.

SO, I SALUTE THE VICE MAYOR FOR BRINGING UP SOME GOOD POINTS.

I ALSO SEE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO FIX SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED IN THE QUALITY OF OUR CITY, AND THAT IS PARKING.

NOW, AS FAR AS THE SHUTTLE IS CONCERNED, WE HAVE THE STARBUCKS BUS THAT IS CAPABLE OF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, TO GO OVER AND SHUTTLE PEOPLE INTO THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED.

IT WAS SORT OF PURPOSE OF THEM NOT JUST DOING THE THREE CURRENT LOCATIONS, BUT TO EXPAND TO GO FURTHER ON.

SO, I'M QUITE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO GET A SHUTTLE, BUT WE CAN GET THAT STARBUCKS THAT IS CAPABLE OF GOING THERE, WHICH WILL NOT COST US $300,000 BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY MOVING AROUND TO GO DOWN AND PICK UP THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DO TAKE PARTAKE IN THE PARKING GARAGE TO MOVE THEM INTO THE CITY CORRIDOR.

ALSO, I KNOW THAT STAFF TOLD ME THAT MR. BRADY WOULD NOT BUDGE ON GOING DOWN THE 3%, AND I AM I CONSIDER MYSELF A NEGOTIATOR.

I GUESS THAT'S FROM SELLING CARS, AND I GOT HIM TO GO DOWN TO THE 2.5%, AND I KNOW HE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

SO AGAIN, HE HAS TRIED TO MEET US HALFWAY.

I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THINGS AND WE WANT TO SEE THINGS A CERTAIN WAY, NOTHING'S GOING TO COME TO US WRAPPED IN A RIBBON AND BE PERFECT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS, AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HAS ALREADY COME IN AND SAID THAT IT'S A GOOD DEAL.

I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HE THINKS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER HE THINKS IT'S A BETTER PLAN NOW, AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE TRUST WITH THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE SOME OF OUR DECISIONS FOR US.

THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINTED TO OVERSEE THESE THINGS THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE ON THE EVERYDAY OPERATIONAL SIDE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE MOVE FULL STEAM AHEAD, BUT I AM SAYING THAT THE PRICE ABOUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MONEY. THAT'S IF WE CHARGE A LOW RATE.

AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE PARKING GARAGE TO GO UP $20.

SO THAT WAS BASED ON A $10 FINDING.

IF WE OPEN THIS PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN THE LINE AND CHARGE $15, WE WILL NOT TAKE A LOSS OF ANY SORT BECAUSE WE'LL BE MAKING MORE REVENUE AND THE REVENUE WILL PAY FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, NOT THE RESIDENTS, AND WE WILL MAKE THAT MONEY AT A FASTER PACE.

JIM, OVER THERE, HE'S ALREADY CALCULATED AND GAVE HIS FINDINGS ON THIS, AND I'M JUST LISTENING TO EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY SPEAK ABOUT MY CONCERNS.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO.

LOOK ON A BROADER SCOPE AND ASK YOURSELF A COUPLE OF THINGS.

DO WE NEED THE PARKING, WHICH WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE HEARD ABOUT WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE CAMPAIGNING.

PARKING IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM IN OUR CITY.

DO WE CAN WE PROVIDE A SAFE PASSAGE FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO WORK? PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE? YES, WE CAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE A STAR BUS, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE PAST.

CAN WE FIND A NEED FOR THIS? YES, BECAUSE THE WEST SIDE CAN ALSO UTILIZE THIS PARKING.

ALSO, WHEN THERE'S HURRICANES AND THINGS, WE ARE DEALING WITH A LOT MORE FLOODED AREAS.

PEOPLE HAVE ANOTHER SAFE PLACE THAT THEY CAN TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO, TO SECURE THEM, JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW IN OUR DOWNTOWN GARAGE.

SO, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERKS ABOUT THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF SHUFFLING ON BOTH SIDES TO MAKE THIS DEAL HAPPEN.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THIS TEAM HAS BEEN WILLING TO GO BACK AND FORTH FOR ANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.

WILL WE GET A BETTER RATE? WELL, AS FAR AS THE LAND, WELL, YOU CREATED THE LAND INCREASE.

SO IS HE GOING TO DROP DOWN THE PRICE AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN INCREASED?

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I KNOW I WOULDN'T IF I HAD SOME LAND Y'ALL INCREASE THE VALUE AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO DECREASE IT SO I CAN DO IT, I PROBABLY WOULD SAY NO.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAYBE HAVE SOME ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSIONS.

I THINK ALL THE THINGS THAT WE SAID THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED NEEDS TO BE DONE IN WRITING ON THIS MOD, AND THEN WE COULD PROBABLY DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.

THANK YOU. I YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS HAS TO DO WITH MR. BRODY'S INTENTIONS.

I THINK THIS HAS TO DO WITH DOLLARS AND CENTS AT THIS POINT.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SOLD ON THE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE.

UM, THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP.

IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE A PARTNERSHIP.

THESE THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT SAT HERE, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT IS WHAT WE WORKED FOR WAS TO WORK WITH YOU, AND RIGHT NOW, I THINK WHAT I HEAR IS IT'S COMING DOWN TO THE BASIS OF THE LAND VALUE THAT WE'RE WORKING OFF OF AND THE CHART THAT WAS PRESENTED.

SO AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE THERE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE THERE.

I THINK YOU DEFINITELY HAVE OUR COMMITMENT.

YOU STILL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE STILL WANT TO DO THIS, AND WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TONIGHT.

SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS READY NO MATTER WHAT WE DO TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU BROUGHT OUT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE WRITTEN VERSION BEFORE WE WILL BRING IT BACK FOR APPROVAL.

SO I KNOW THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.

SO WITH THAT SAID.

WE WE HAVE A SOME NEW INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE DOLLARS AND THE LAND.

AND IT GOES TO A QUESTION AND A COMMENT COMMISSIONER BLONDER MADE A FEW MOMENTS AGO, AND HIGHEST AND BEST USE SO THIS THIS PERTAINS TO.

THE PURCHASE OPTION.

AT THE END OF THE 30 YEARS, THERE WOULD BE APPRAISALS TO ASCERTAIN FAIR MARKET VALUE BASED UPON HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

NOW, APPRAISERS MUST APPRAISE LAND BASED UPON HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

TO COMMISSIONER BLINDER'S POINT, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT LAND IS TO KNOCK IT DOWN AND PUT A CONDO BUILDING.

THERE COULD BE, BUT APPRAISERS ARE ALSO CONSTRAINED BY LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE USES UNDER THE ZONING, AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT PLANNED ADJACENT TO THIS PARKING GARAGE.

WHEN THAT GETS BUILT, THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN GET BUILT IS IF THERE'S A PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE NEXT TO IT.

SO, IF IN 30 YEARS WE'VE GOT THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THERE, WE'VE GOT THE PARKING GARAGE THERE AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AN APPRAISAL DONE AS TO THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE VALUE OF THE LAND UNDERNEATH THE PARKING GARAGE.

SHE IS CORRECT.

IT'S LIMIT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE THE ONLY LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE USE.

SO, WE MAY BE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS THEORETICAL POTENTIAL FUTURE VALUE WHEN IT IS JUST LIMITED TO PARKING GARAGE CITY PARKING GARAGE.

NONETHELESS, NOT EVEN A PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING REQUIRES.

SO, UNLESS THE ZONING IS CHANGED BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WHICH THIS BOARD HAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE OR NOT CHANGE.

THAT WOULD BE THE RESULT.

PARKING GARAGES.

I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THAT.

I THOUGHT YOUR OVERALL COMPLEX HAS A PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE FOR THE UNITS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

SO, THEN THEY WOULDN'T NEED THE EXISTING OR THE NEW PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE PARKING FOR THE UNITS ALREADY BUILT INTO YOUR MIXED USE, AND I WOULD GATHER YOU WOULD IF YOU WOULD BUILD IN PARKING FOR YOUR RETAIL AS WELL IN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT YOU'RE BUILDING, NOT THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE ONE THAT'S RELATED TO YOUR MIXED USE.

CORRECT. IF YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A SMALL LABEL FOR FIVE LEVEL PARKING DECK INSIDE THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.

SO YES, THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT PARKING THERE TO SERVICE THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.

HOWEVER, THAT PARKING GARAGE IS MASSIVELY MORE EXPENSIVE ON A PER SPACE BASIS THAN THE CITY'S PARKING GARAGE.

SO, IN THE MOU, WE'VE REQUESTED THE FLEXIBILITY FOR SOME LEVEL OF OVERFLOW PARKING.

TO BE THE HUNT AND SEEK THE HUNT.

HUNT AND PECK. YEAH.

CORRECT. SO, THE SAME AS ANYONE ELSE ENTERING THE GARAGE.

NOT ON A RESERVE BASIS.

YES. IT WOULD BE 100 ADDITIONAL.

RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

WELL, UP TO THAT. TO 100, YES, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR YOUR RETAIL AND SUCH.

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RIGHT. I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT ITS USE AND ITS VALUE.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IT'S NEEDED.

I DON'T THINK SAINT AUGUSTINE IT'S LIKE MR. DIAZ HAS SAID TO ME WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, SAINT AUGUSTINE IS ON EVERY LIST YOU COULD HAVE.

NOW WE'RE ON THE MOST ROMANTIC CITY LIST.

WE'RE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.

I DON'T THINK BARRING A DISASTER OF SOME SORT, WHICH YOU KNOW, COULD HAPPEN, BUT LET'S SAY ASSUME A NORMAL TRAJECTORY OF THE WAY THE CITY IS GOING.

WE'RE EXTREMELY POPULAR.

WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO NEED PARKING.

I'M NOT THAT PART IS DON'T WORRY ME.

IT'S JUST THAT.

UM. YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS.

IT'S ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP AND IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE BEST POSITION WE CAN FOR OUR CITIZENS AND NOT PUTTING THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE OVERPAYING FOR SOMETHING.

EXACTLY. SO.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'LL BE.

MOVING ON. MOVING ON.

YEAH, WE'LL BE MOVING ON.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING.

WE LIFT THAT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

NO, NO, NO. YOU'RE TALL.

YEAH. SO, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME, AND ULTIMATELY, WE THOUGHT THIS MOU AT END OF JUNE IS, IS WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT IT AND COME UP WITH A DECISION ON WHAT TO DO.

I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT COMES DOWN TO DOLLARS AND CENTS, BUT I HAVE GIVEN MY DOLLARS AND CENTS WHEN I GAVE YOU THE OPTION TO PURCHASE THIS GARAGE AT THE END OF THE LEASE PERIOD.

NOW, MAYBE I GAVE THAT TOO QUICKLY, BUT I DID IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD WAS YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN.

I DO NOT FEEL LIKE THE.

CURRENT APPRAISED VALUE BASED ON THE ZONING IS UNREASONABLE AND IT IS CERTAINLY AFFORDABLE TO THE CITY BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'D BE COMING BACK FOR AT THIS POINT.

I MEAN, WE NEED A GARAGE AND, YOU KNOW, AS A.

AS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.

WHEN I SEE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, I WANT TO I WANT TO MOVE ON IT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY YOUR ATTORNEY AND YOU WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AFTER THE ATTORNEYS HAD REVIEWED IT AND WERE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS WE'D BE COMING BACK FOR.

WELL, THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT, MR. BRODY. AT THIS POINT, UNLESS I HEAR ANY DIFFERENT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, MADAM MAYOR, CAN I JUST MAKE JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE LAND? HERE? YEAH. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THE MOU THAT WERE SUGGESTED? HAVE THOSE VETTED THROUGH OUR ATTORNEYS AT BRYANT, MILLER, OLIVE AND ISABELLE AND BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL APPROVAL? I DON'T THINK SO. AT THIS POINT.

I'M NOT SURE THE BALL IS IN MR. BRODY'S COURT.

AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW.

COMMISSIONERS, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS DECISION UNILATERALLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL PROCEED WITH THAT, BUT I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.

I THINK WE'RE I THINK YOU'VE HEARD US WE LEFT OUR LAST MEETING IN A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE THAN WE ARE NOW, AND I THINK THERE'S STILL ROOM FOR NEGOTIATION AND I'D LIKE TO VOTE ON IT AT SOME POINT.

IT MIGHT FAIL.

IT MIGHT PASS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FIVE OF US, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE SO THAT I CAN MAKE A REASONABLE DETERMINATION BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

YEAH, I KNOW. YOU WANT US TO TAKE ACTION.

I THINK YOU DESERVE ACTION.

A DECISION? NOT TONIGHT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING VETTED, BUT, BUT.

OKAY. OKAY, THEN THAT.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE PREPARATION.

MAKE THE PREPARATION SO WE CAN SEE IT WITH ALL THE WITHOUT THE RED LINE STRIKES AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, A CLEAN COPY MOVING FORWARD AND THEN SEE,

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WE AGREE WITH THAT.

SO OKAY, SO THAT, DO I NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? MR. CITY MANAGER, IF THAT'S A CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION, THEN WE'LL A CONSENSUS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, THE NEXT ITEM IS ON THE FIRE STATION.

[10.B. Discussion regarding the status of the City's Fire Station No. 2 site location and the request to the State to use a parcel part of Anastasia State Park. (R. Franklin, Assistant City Manager)]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

I HAD A PRACTICE RUN THE OTHER NIGHT.

THE PRESENTATION I'M ABOUT TO GIVE YOU.

WE DID HOLD A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE THIS PAST THURSDAY.

IT WAS PRETTY WELL ATTENDED.

WE HAD 18 FOLKS SHOW UP AND SIGN IN AND ABOUT FOUR OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT CHOSE NOT TO SIGN IN.

SO, WE HAD OVER 20 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.

THE FIRE CHIEF HERE IS ALSO.

CHIEF AVILES IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, BUT THE INTENTION HERE IS TO I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF INPUT FROM RESIDENTS IN THE MADEIRA NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WANTED TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND THEN GIVE YOU WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE.

SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

SO TONIGHT I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE ANASTASIA ISLAND MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS AND FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO, THE PROPOSED SITE.

SO JUST WE'LL GO THROUGH AN INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND.

THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN I'LL GET INTO THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN SIDE DESIGN FOR THE SELECTED SITE, AND THEN NEXT STEPS AND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND IN INTRODUCTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO THE CITY IS REALLY TRYING TO SOLVE TWO PROBLEMS FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE, AND I CAME INTO THIS AS THE MOBILITY MANAGER WHERE I WAS MEETING WITH RESIDENTS IN THE LIGHTHOUSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DAVIS SHORES NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT RED ROCKS ROAD, ANASTASIA BOULEVARD AND OLD QUARRY ROAD.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE FATALITIES THERE AND ACCIDENTS OVER THE YEARS, AND SO THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING SINCE I STARTED MOBILITY THAT HAS BEEN ON THE FRONT BURNER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT INTERSECTION.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING WAS, IS OUR WE'RE GROWING, AND WE NEED A NEW FIRE STATION, AND SO WHEN WE GOT INTO LOOKING AT IT, A NEW FIRE STATION WON'T FIT ON THE EXISTING SITE OR FOOTPRINT WHERE THE EXISTING FIRE STATION IS, BUT THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE TWO THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE, AND JUST TO CONTEXT, THIS IS THE FLOODPLAIN MAP.

SO, NEITHER ONE OF THESE SITES IS WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

SO, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON IS THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT.

WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE IMPROVED? WELL, THE COMMUNITY AND COUNTY RESIDENTS, AS LONG AS WELL AS CITY RESIDENTS, HAVE ASKED FOR IMPROVEMENTS HERE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS, ACCESS ISSUES FROM THE SIDE STREETS, FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

RB HUNT THE BUS ROUTE RUNS THROUGH HERE.

THE RESIDENTS OF LIGHTHOUSE PARK IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE THIS INTERSECTION ISN'T EASY TO NAVIGATE, IT GETS A LOT OF CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC WITH BOAT TRAFFIC AND TRAILERS.

SO WE WENT DOWN THE PATH OF FINDING OUT WHAT WE CAN DO THERE.

AND NORMALLY, I THINK LOGICALLY, MOST PEOPLE TEND TO JUST PUT A STOPLIGHT UP.

WELL, WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION.

WE'VE SAT DOWN WITH DOT BECAUSE IT'S ON A CURVE AND THE SIDE STREETS DON'T AREN'T PERPENDICULAR ON THIS CURVE.

THE FDOT HAS TOLD US, NO, WE WILL NEVER PUT A STOPLIGHT THERE.

SO THAT LED US DOWN A PATH OF, WELL, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? CAN WE GET CREATIVE? IF YOU GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY INSTALLED LED LIGHTS ALONG AROUND THE CURVE, BUT REALLY THE SOLUTION HERE IS A GEOMETRY CHANGE, AND FINALLY, FDOT CAME TO THE CITY AND THEY HAD PROPOSED A ROUNDABOUT, AND WHAT THE ROUNDABOUT NEEDS AND THE REASON THEY DID THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM AND WE SAID ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE FOR THIS INTERSECTION, AND WE INFORMED THEM THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A NEW SITE FOR THE FIRE STATION.

SO WE INFORMED THEM THAT THE LAND THE FIRE STATION IS ON COULD BE USED, AND THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE ROUNDABOUT.

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THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

THE CITY WAS ALREADY LOOKING FOR A NEW LOCATION FOR THE FIRE STATION BY US MOVING IT AND TELLING THE DOT THAT WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO USING CITY LAND. THAT'S WHAT WHY THIS IMPROVEMENT IS IS AN OPTION.

ROUNDABOUTS ARE SAFER.

THEY SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.

THEY CUT DOWN ON THE ABILITY TO HAVE DEADLY ACCIDENTS.

SO, IT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT, AND PERSONALLY, THE ONE THING I LOVE IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS HERE WHICH HAVE NOT EXISTED.

SO WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A NEW FIRE STATION SITE, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MAP CHARTS.

THE LITTLE DOTS ON THE LEFT SIDE ARE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, AND THEN THIS TABLE KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE PARCEL SIZE, AND THEN, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, RESPONSE TIME IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL.

SO WE DID LOOK AT THIS AND WE HAD A PARCEL SIZE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MODERN FIRE STATIONS AND THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE NEED WHEN WE ENGAGE WITH THE DESIGN COMMUNITY.

TWO ACRES WAS KIND OF THAT SIZE PARCEL THAT YOU NEED, AND I'LL NOTE THAT WHILE OUR SITE IS OVER TWO ACRES THAT WE DID SELECT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SHRUNK IT EVEN DOWN EVEN INSIDE THAT TWO ACRE FOOTPRINT TO GET TO 1.4, FIVE ACRES, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT, BUT TWO ACRES IS KIND OF THAT SITE SIZE THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

SO A LOT OF THESE DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA.

THE ONE SITE THAT MET THE CRITERIA OF RESPONSE TIME AND HAD THE CORRECT ACREAGE WAS THE WOODED LOT ACROSS FROM THE AMPHITHEATER, AND IT IS PART OF THE STATE PARK.

SO THIS WAS THE SITE THAT WE HAD SELECTED, AND WE HAVE SPENT SOME DOLLARS, SOME MONEY UP FRONT TO DO PRELIMINARY FEASIBILITY STUDIES.

AND BASED ON FEEDBACK I WAS GETTING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT HERE AT THE CITY COMMISSION, I DID SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY TO EVEN FURTHER THE SITE DESIGN WITH EVEN MORE DETAIL TO REALLY SHOW THE IMPACTS AND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FIRE STATION.

SO THE TOTAL SITE IS 2.89 ACRES AND THAT'S THE ENTIRE TRIANGULAR SITE AND THAT INCLUDES THE ACCESS ROAD THAT ALREADY BISECTS THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTHERN SIDE.

THE FIRE STATION FOOTPRINT WOULD BE 1.45 ACRES AND THE EXISTING ROAD IS 0.09 ACRES.

THAT WOULD LEAVE, WE BELIEVE WE WOULD KEEP THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IN CONSERVATION AT 1.35 ACRES.

THE WHOLE REASON THAT WE SELECTED THIS SITE, WE UNDERSTOOD IT WAS STATE PARK LANDS.

WELL, THE STATE PARK HAS AN APPROVED MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND SO THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS IS WE REVIEWED THE MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THEY HAD IDENTIFIED THIS PARCEL FOR AS SURPLUS SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN ONE STEP FURTHER IF THEIR OWN PLAN HADN'T IDENTIFIED IT AS SURPLUS, AND WE HAD COME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME AND WE GOT APPROVAL TO REACH OUT TO THE STATE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE RIGHTS TO BUILD A FIRE STATION HERE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD LOOKED AT WAS BUYING IT.

I HEARD A PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER THAT MAYBE WE'RE DOING THIS JUST TO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE LAND WE CAN GET A DOLLAR LEASE.

THE LEASE AGREEMENT AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STATE JUST BECAME THE EASIEST MECHANISM TO ACTUALLY GO FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

SO THIS IS BEFORE EVEN ENGAGING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WE KNEW THAT THERE WOULD BE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FIRE STATION AND IMPACTS TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO DESIGN COMPONENTS THAT WE ALREADY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT WAS KEEPING THE ACCESS OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD AND NOT HAVING THEM INTRUDE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE FIRE ENGINES RUNNING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACCESS THE SITE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER RETENTION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER, WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING ON SITE.

IT'S EITHER GOING TO INFILTRATE INTO THE GROUND OR WILL PERMIT A CONNECTION TO THE ANASTASIA BOULEVARD STORMWATER SYSTEM, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT A RETAINING WALL ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE FIRE STATION AND PARKING AREA, AND THE REASON BEING IS THERE'S A REALLY NICE DUNE THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE AND WE THINK WE CAN MAINTAIN A GOOD BIT OF THAT AND KEEP THE NATURAL VEGETATION AND NATURAL BUFFER IN PLACE, BUT WE'RE ALL EARS FOR ANYTHING ELSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE US TO BRING TO THE TABLE.

I'VE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE.

WE COULD DO A NOISE, A BASELINE NOISE STUDY AND TRY TO EVEN INCORPORATE MORE ELEMENTS TO MITIGATE NOISE CONCERNS, AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE POINT OF THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE WAS TO

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE NICE WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN BIKE PATH CONNECTION ACROSS THE SITE.

THEY RECENTLY DID MEET A WARRANT ANALYSIS TO GET A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IN HERE, AND THAT'S A BIG STEP WITH THE DOT.

SO, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS I HEARD IS, YEAH, THEY THEY'RE APPROVED NOW FOR A CROSSWALK.

SO WHETHER THE FIRE STATION HAPPENS OR NOT, DOT WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH A CROSSWALK.

WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE IS WE WOULD LIKE TO DESIGN IT AND INCORPORATE IT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY SIGNAL THERE AND IT MIGHT ACTUALLY GET DONE QUICKER IF THE CITY IS WORKING ON THE DESIGN BECAUSE AS WE KNOW WITH OUR OWN ZORAYDA CROSSWALK, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW AND IT'S FINALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT AGAIN, WHAT OTHER ELEMENTS WOULD THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE TO SEE? WE'RE ALL EARS.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME FOLKS ARE GOING TO TAKE THE POSITION THAT THEY DID NOT THEY DO NOT WANT THE FIRE STATION, BUT I'VE TOLD ALL OF THEM IN THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT IF WE DO GET IF THE STATE DOES ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT I WILL REACH OUT AND ENGAGE WITH THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

WE CAN HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT 30% DESIGN, 60% DESIGN 90%, 100%.

SO THEY ARE AWARE AND WE CAN INCORPORATE THEIR CONCERNS ALONG THE WAY.

THE LAST PIECE.

SO WE HAVE ALREADY GONE.

LET ME BACK UP ONE SECOND.

IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO ENTER A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE ACQUISITION RESTORATION COUNCIL IN TALLAHASSEE. IT IS A COUNCIL THAT'S MADE UP OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

THEY HAVE TO APPROVE DESIGNATING THIS SITE AS CONSERVATION LAND, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO ENTER A LEASE AGREEMENT TO DEVELOP THE SITE.

SO WE DID GO IN FRONT OF THE ARC.

THE COUNCIL ALREADY THE ITEM WAS TABLED AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID HEAR FROM THEM WAS CONCERN WITH IMPACTING THE HABITAT.

SO THIS IS THE FINAL COMPONENT WHICH WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS FROM OUR OWN RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE ARC BOARD WAS THE IMPACTS TO THE HABITAT.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO MITIGATE THAT BY PROPOSING BY PURCHASING THE ORANGE INHOLDING AREA OF FISH ISLAND PRESERVE.

WE ALSO HAVE AN APPROVED MANAGEMENT PLAN.

OUR APPROVED MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR FISH ISLAND PRESERVE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES THIS PARCEL AS AN OPTIMUM BOUNDARY TO PURCHASE BECAUSE IT ENHANCES THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, AND SO WITH THOSE THREE COMPONENTS, WE COULD HAVE A WORK WITH DOT FOR A ROUNDABOUT.

IF WE GET THE FIRE STATIONS, THE LINCHPIN, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE SITE, A NEW SITE FOR THE FIRE STATION THAT ALLOWS US TO WORK WITH DOT TO DEVELOP THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN WE ALSO ADD THE CONSERVATION LAND AS WELL IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES, AND THE SITES ARE BY THE FLIGHT OF A BIRD.

THERE ARE ABOUT 1.3 MILES AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.

WITH THAT. I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE NEXT STEPS REALLY QUICK.

DEPP DID ASK US TO HOLD SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

THE ITEM WAS TABLED.

DEPP CAME BACK AND SAID THEY'D LIKE US TO DO SOME ENGAGEMENT.

I HAVE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO DEPP BY OCTOBER 13TH.

DEP THEN SUBMITS THEIR AGENDA ITEM OCTOBER 27TH, WHICH WOULD SET US UP TO GO BACK TO THE AAC ON THE DECEMBER 7TH MEETING WHERE THEY WOULD VOTE UP OR DOWN ON WHETHER OR NOT TO DESIGNATE THIS.

SO OUR PROPOSAL TO THEM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY CARE ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT PORTION.

THEY'RE REALLY IN THE BUSINESS OF CONSERVATION.

SO WE WOULD PROPOSE TO THEM THE PURCHASE AND DONATION OF THAT FISH ISLAND HOLDING, WHICH THEN WOULD BECOME PART OF FISH ISLAND PRESERVE, WHICH THE CITY WOULD MANAGE FOR THE STATE, AND I SAY ALL OF THAT WITH HOPEFULLY A NOD FROM THE CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD.

OTHERWISE YOU SEND US BACK TO WE HAVE TO GO BACK VETTING NEW SITES FOR A FIRE STATION, WHICH WE HAVE YET TO COME UP WITH A SITE. I CAN ASSURE YOU IF WE HAD A SITE WE COULD BUY, WE WOULD HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. THEY'RE STILL OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE STILL CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT THEM AND HOW THIS AFFECTS THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

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SO AND I'LL JUST NOW I'LL JUST I WANTED TO THANK YOU, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM I THINK VICE MAYOR IS READY TO SEE.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT AN OUTSTANDING AMOUNT OF WORK YOU HAVE DONE COORDINATING ALL OF THIS.

I MEAN, THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS, I MEAN, IT'S BRILLIANT THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO FIND A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I THINK YOU'VE BEEN VERY SENSITIVE TO THE ABUTTING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE BERM KEEPING THE, YOU KNOW, VEGETATION.

I MEAN, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, GETTING THE PORTION OF FISH ISLAND MAKING IT WHOLE IS I THINK IS A WIN WIN FOR THE WHOLE CITY.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

SPRINGFIELD. YES.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE HEARTBURN OVER CUTTING DOWN TREES, AND WE AND WE'VE SHOWN THAT THIS COMMISSION IS VERY POSITIVE TOWARD BUYING PROPERTIES AND CONSERVING LAND. SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO CUT DOWN A TREE.

I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN IS HAVING ONE CROSSWALK AND ONE LIGHT.

IS ONLY GOING TO CONTROL TRAFFIC FROM ONE DIRECTION, AND I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TWO.

WHICH ALSO SERVED WELL FOR THE AMPHITHEATER, FOR SAFETY.

THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY TONIGHT, AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT SAFETY.

AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE COULD DO AS AN ADDITION TO THE TO THE ANASTASIA AND TO THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC IS INSTALLING SOME OF THESE CROSSWALKS AND A DOUBLE LIGHT.

SO I'D REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU ALL MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED BOTH.

UM, BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE TOO, AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE THE BEST OF A SITUATION THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A BAD SITUATION, AND YOU'VE DONE THE BEST, AND IT'S A GOOD SITUATION NOW.

ANYONE ELSE. WELL, I'D LIKE TO ADD.

OKAY. OH, COMMISSIONER GARRIS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT ROUNDABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN ACCIDENTS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND I KNOW AND MY POSITION AS THE COORDINATOR THAT FIRE STATION ON THE ISLAND HAS BEEN A HOT MESS FOR A LONG TIME.

I MEAN, THE GARAGE DOORS WERE BREAKING EVERY OTHER WEEK.

THE CHIEF WAS CALLING ME AND WE WERE GETTING SOMEBODY OVER THERE, AND OF COURSE, THAT COULD ALSO BE A PROBLEM AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIME, IF YOU HAVE TO MANUALLY LIFT THE DOOR TO GET THE TRUCK OUT.

SO IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE NEED IT, AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF EMAILS IN SUPPORT OF IT, AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S THE OPPOSITION OF IT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THOSE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIRE STATION BECAUSE WE WILL RESPOND TO THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE CITY IF THERE'S A FIRE IN THEIR AREA.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YEAH, AND SO IT IS REALLY A WIN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND TALKING WITH PEOPLE, I FOUND OUT INSURANCE WISE, THEY ARE GOING TO THEIR INSURANCE IS GOING TO DECREASE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A QUICKER RESPONSE TIME FROM LIVING NEAR A FIRE STATION.

SO, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A WIN FOR THEM.

EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION, I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE TREES AND THINGS AND WE HAVE BASICALLY PROVEN THAT WE'RE ABOUT PRESERVING LAND, BUT THERE IS NO OTHER AREA, AS YOU HAVE STATED.

I KNOW I TALKED TO THE FORMER CITY MANAGER AND OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE SPACE, AND IF WE DIDN'T TAKE THIS BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED AS A SURPLUS, SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THIS SAME SPACE AND USED IT FOR WHO KNOWS WHAT.

SO THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT AT LEAST IT'S HAPPENING FOR A LIFE SAFETY MATTER.

SO THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, AND PLEASE INDULGE ME BECAUSE I LITERALLY THIS ISSUE HAS COST ME TWO FRIENDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WANT TO BE I WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO WALK THROUGH WHY I'M GOING TO MAKE THE VOTE.

I'M GOING TO MAKE AND MAKE IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEBODY WHO'S DEDICATED HER LIFE TO CONSERVATION.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST, YOU KNOW, AS AN ELECTED THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME AS AN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT RESPONSIBILITIES WE HAVE, IS NOT JUST PREPARING FOR THESE MEETINGS WITH 400 PAGE, YOU KNOW, PLUS AGENDAS AND MEETINGS WITH

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SO AS DIFFICULT AS IT IS, THIS IS WHY I'M GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION.

I'M GOING TO MAKE THE INTERSECTION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS IN THE CITY.

BACK IN APRIL AND MAY OF 2021, I WAS PRETTY HORRIFIED TO HEAR THE STORIES BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE ON THE ISLAND ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS THAT INTERSECTION IS.

THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT TO EXPRESS HOW HOW CRITICAL IT IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, AND WE DID.

OUR STAFF MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS.

YOU EXPLAINED, MR. FRANKLIN, HOW YOU DID THAT, AND I, I I'M REALLY DEEPLY APPRECIATIVE, AS ARE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, ABOUT WHAT THE HARD WORK YOU'VE DONE.

I'M ALSO REALLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE VALUE THAT THE PARCEL IS HELD BY THE NEIGHBORS, THE VALUE OF THAT PARCEL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE FACED INCREASING CROWDS, NOISE FROM THE AMPHITHEATER, A LOT OF PRESSURES IN A VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD OF, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND HAVE REALLY GOTTEN TO KNOW EACH OTHER.

AND THAT'S NOT FUN FOR ANYBODY.

IT AFFECTS THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, AND SO I'M HEARING YOU.

I'M REALLY HEARING YOU, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE THE STAFF HAS MADE EVERY EFFORT TO TAKE YOUR CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. THE PARCEL IN QUESTION, TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR, WAS SURPLUSED IN 2016 AND THE UPDATE OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR ANASTASIA STATE PARK.

THAT WAS WELL BEFORE THESE OTHER ISSUES CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF AT LEAST THE COMMISSION THAT I WAS ON IN 2021 2016 PRECEDED THAT. IT WAS SURPLUSSED AS IT BECAME ON THE LIST THE STATE'S LIST OF DISPOSABLE PROPERTIES, AND AS YOU HAVE ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES, IT'S SLIDE EIGHT.

IN FACT, THE CAPTION FROM THE MANAGEMENT PLAN IS, QUOTE, THIS PROPERTY OFFERS LITTLE IN THE WAY OF RESOURCE RECREATION, RECREATIONAL OR OPERATIONAL VALUE.

THAT IS THE STATE PARK SERVICE'S OWN ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

IF YOU COULD BRING UP SLIDE THREE.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING.

IT'S THE ONE WITH THE.

YEAH, THAT ONE.

THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

THE MAIN BODY OF THE PARK IS TO THE EAST.

THIS PARCEL IS TO THE WEST AND THERE ARE FIVE LANES WITH THAT TURN LANE OF TRAFFIC, HEAVILY TRAFFICKED.

ANY ORGANISM THAT WANTS TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH, INCLUDING A LOT OF BIRDS, WON'T DO IT.

THAT'S EFFECTIVELY AN ISOLATED ISLAND TO THE ORGANISMS THAT LIVE THERE, AND THE PARK SERVICE, WITH ITS VERY LIMITED BUDGET AND STAFFING, DECIDED TO SURPLUS THIS.

I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE I USED TO DO THIS WORK FOR A LONG TIME, DECIDED TO SURPLUS IT BECAUSE IT LOSES ITS CONSERVATION VALUE TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE PARK.

IT'S ALSO VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE IF YOU GET A FIRE IN THERE, IF SOMEBODY BUILDS A CAMPFIRE IN THERE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AT RISK.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE DECISION OF THE OF THE PARK SERVICE IN TERMS OF SLIDE 11, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT ONE UP. I.

I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF MAINTAINING TREE CANOPY, AND THE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES THAT COME ALONG WITH IT ON WHAT IS COMMONLY CALLED UNDEVELOPED LAND, AS IF ALL LAND MUST BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WHICH I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, BUT, AND WHEN WE HAVE A RARE OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS, WHERE WE HAVE AN INHOLDING IN A DESIGNATED PROTECTED PRESERVE THAT IS LITERALLY THE FLAGSHIP OF THIS CITY'S CONSERVATION MOVEMENT THAT YOU TWO WERE A PART OF.

I WASN'T HERE THEN.

THE THREE OF US WEREN'T HERE THEN, BUT THIS IS THE FLAGSHIP, AND THIS IS THE KERNEL OF WHAT WE'VE ALL BOUGHT INTO FOR A CONSERVATION ACQUISITION PROGRAM. AND BY NOT INCLUDING THAT PARCEL, THAT INHOLDING, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY DIVIDE THIS ENTIRE PRESERVE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL GENERAL OFFICE AND THAT WOULD REALLY, REALLY IMPACT THIS PRESERVE, NOT TO MENTION THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE UNMATCHED AND THAT ARE REALLY PART OF OUR HISTORY.

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WE HAVE A RESULTING NET GAIN.

IF WE'RE JUST DOING MATH HERE, WE HAVE A RESULTING NET GAIN OF A FULL ACRE IN CONSERVATION LAND, AND SO GIVEN ALL OF THOSE REASONS, I WOULD SUPPORT MOVING THIS FORWARD TO THE ARC AND FULLY ENDORSE THAT.

ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD? ANYTHING LEFT TO SAY? I DO HAVE ONE. THANK YOU FOR INDULGENCE.

THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID, BUT I DO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT, AND THAT IS I SAW A FORMER ACTOR OF THE CROSS AND SWORD THIS WEEKEND AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVE THAT PROPERTY ON THE CROSS, THE 81 ACRES, IT WAS TWO LANE BACK THEN, THERE WAS A BILLBOARD FOR THE CROSS AND SWORD THAT POINTED TO THE CROSS AND SWORD.

SO, HE SAYS THAT'S WHY IT WAS SAVED, AND OF COURSE A LOT OF IT WAS TAKEN AWAY ALREADY WHEN THEY BUILT IT TO A FIVE LANE.

SO, THEY'VE ALREADY LOST A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY AWAY, BUT THAT'S JUST A BIT OF HISTORY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I WAS ON THE CROSS AND SWORD BOARD AND THAT WAS PAUL WILLIAMSON ALSO TOLD YOU KNOW, REMINDED ME BECAUSE THERE WAS A BILLBOARD THERE AT ONE TIME, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I'M GOING BACK TO 2014 WHEN REPRESENTATIVE RENUART CALLED ME AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO SURPLUS THIS LAND.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN IT? AND OF COURSE IT WAS, YES, WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT.

SO HERE WE ARE TODAY, ALL THESE YEARS LATER, BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

I THINK THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS THIS IS A THERE ARE SO MANY WONDERFUL PIECES TO THIS AND SO MANY POSITIVE PIECES, AND I THINK THE BENEFIT OUTWEIGH THE NEGATIVES BY FAR.

IT IS VERY WELL SUPPORTED BY RESIDENTS.

IT ACCOMPLISHES MULTIPLE GOALS THAT WE HAVE.

IT ADDRESSES THAT HARD CURVE.

IT'LL SLOW SPEEDERS.

I DO I DO FEEL LIKE BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE CROSSWALK, I THINK THAT WILL HELP SLOW SPEEDERS.

THE TWO COMBINED WILL HELP OUT WITH THAT.

IT WILL MOVE THIS OUTDATED FIRE STATION WITH THE NEW WONDERFUL REPLACEMENT THAT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED, AND IT WILL MAKE ONE OF OUR MOST PRECIOUS CONSERVATION AREAS WHOLE, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE WINS WE CAN EXPLAIN ABOUT THIS, THIS THIS AMAZING PROJECT, AND I FERVENTLY HOPE THAT THIS GETS THROUGH THE STATE.

SO, WITH THAT SAID, I THINK IS THAT A MOTION THAT IS A, ACTUALLY, THAT IS A MOTION THAT IS IT CAN BE.

I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DEBATE CLARIFICATIONS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AND THANK YOU AGAIN VERY MUCH.

STAFF ALL OF IT.

CHIEF AVILES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I SEE HIM BACK THERE AND BIG PAT ON THE BACK FOR CARRYING THIS ON YOUR SHOULDERS FOR SO MANY YEARS.

IN THE EARLY DAYS, I REMEMBER YOU.

WE KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THE ONE THAT'S SWEATING BULLETS BACK THERE AND KEEPING US MOVING FORWARD, AND THANK YOU, RUBEN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FRANKLIN AND CITY.

FOR THE RECORD, THE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE, DAVID CAME UP WITH THE CONSERVATION COMPONENT OF THIS.

SO THERE'S JUST MULTIPLE POINTS THAT ARE SO AMAZING, AND I DO HOPE THAT WE'LL ALL BE ABLE TO ENJOY AND THE ULTIMATE SUCCESS, MANY, MANY PIECES OF SUCCESS.

SO THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE ONE OTHER.

LET'S SEE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

THAT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE SESSION.

ITEMS BY CITY ATTORNEY.

[12.A. Notification of a vacancy on the Civil Service Board due to a resignation. (D.Galambos, City Clerk)]

I JUST HAVE ONE VERY QUICK ITEM.

WE RECEIVED A LETTER OF RESIGNATION FOR OUR CIVIL SERVICE BOARD FROM LES STERN, AND SO WE ARE JUST GIVING YOU NOTICE HE HAS SERVED FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS AND HE HAS SINCERELY THANK HIM FOR WHAT HE'S DONE FOR US.

SO, SO GOOD. I HOPE WE WILL WRITE HIM A WONDERFUL THANK YOU.

YES, AND SO WE WILL ADVERTISE THIS TERM VACANCY AND BRING YOU BACK WHAT WHAT WE WHAT WE GET.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ITEMS BY CITY MANAGER.

I HAVE NOTHING THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU. OH, GOSH. I LOVE THAT SOUND OF THAT.

THAT IS SO INCREDIBLE.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET WITH ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS]

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I THINK YOU MORE THAN MADE UP FOR IT, BUT, AND WE WERE SO SORRY TO, I'LL JUST SAY WE'RE SORRY TO HEAR THAT YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE WITH FRIENDSHIPS, AND IT'S I CAN SAY THAT IT IS TOUGH.

IT'S PART OF THE JOB THAT'S NOT SO WONDERFUL THAT COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

I JUST HAVE ONE, AND TODAY I PARKED IN THE GARAGE AND WENT TO TAKE THE TROLLEY, BUT IT WASN'T READY, SO WE WALKED INSTEAD, BUT I DID NOTICE THERE WAS NO SIGNAGE FOR THAT. IT'S FREE, AND MR. FRANKLIN HAS ASSURED US THAT HE'S ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT AS A PROBLEM AND HE'S GOING TO MAKE SURE IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A FREE SHUTTLE.

RIGHT? I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS.

GETTING PEOPLE USED TO. IT IS SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE FOR PEOPLE TO CATCH ON AND THE WORD TO GET OUT.

SO COMMISSIONER GARRIS.

I'M JUST A SUGGESTION THAT WHEN THEY COME INTO THE PARKING GARAGE, THAT THEY NOTIFY THEM, YOU KNOW, WORD OF MOUTH BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PERSON.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A WAY THAT THEY CAN DO IT UNTIL THEY GET SOME SIGNAGE.

UM. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT FOR RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, THEN.

ALL RIGHT, VICE MAYOR.

WELL, I'VE WRITTEN THAT STAR CIRCULATOR, AND IT'S GREAT.

I REALLY LIKE IT.

UM. I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BURNING TONIGHT.

I CAN WAIT. OKAY.

WONDERFUL, AND IT IS LATE, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO ON AND ON, BUT I DID GET A CHANCE.

THE CITY MANAGER, MYSELF AND OUR CHIEF RESILIENCY OFFICER HAD OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT MANDEVILLE, LOUISIANA, AND WE WERE SO WE HAD PLANNED WITH A LONG TIME PLANNED TRIP.

THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN FLOODED 17 TIMES IN 17 YEARS.

THREE OF THOSE FLOODS WERE NINE FOOT SURGES, BUT THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY HAVE ELEVATED EVERY BUILDING EXCEPT FOR FOUR AND THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND SO IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO GO AND VISIT AND SEE THE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF HOW THEY ELEVATED AND HOW IT IMPACTED THEIR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

YOU KNOW, WE CALLED IT, WHAT, 1.0 VERSION AND 2.0.

SO OVER THE YEARS, THEY'VE REALLY EVOLVED INTO SOME VERY BEAUTIFUL ADAPTATIONS ELEVATIONS.

SO IT WAS REALLY WONDERFUL.

IT WAS JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION.

I THINK WE'RE STILL PROCESSING.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? IT WAS JUST A WEALTH OF INFORMATION.

IT WAS A WHIRLWIND. WE GOT A CHANCE TO MEET DIRECTLY WITH THEIR PLANNING DIRECTOR AND RESILIENCY OFFICER AND MAYOR, WHO'S ALSO THEIR CITY MANAGER.

THEY'RE VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

AND IT WAS A GREAT TRIP.

IT WAS GOOD, AND PUBLIC WORKS.

WE GOT TO MEET WITH PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL TO GET SOME IDEAS.

SO, I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS JUST SO, SO MUCH, BUT I THINK IT WAS WORTH WELL WORTH THE TRIP, AT LEAST INSPIRING THAT WE CAN DO THIS, AND WE CAN DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT.

IT WAS JUST REALLY GOOD STUFF AND I WANTED TO SEND AN EXTRA SHOUT OUT TO SENATOR HUDSON, SPEAKER RENNER AND REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON FOR THEIR HELP ON GETTING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOLLARS AS APPROPRIATIONS FOR US.

THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED SINCE I CAN REMEMBER THAT LARGE OF A TRANCHE.

SO THAT WAS VERY, VERY GOOD OF THEM.

SO WE HAVE BEEN THANKING THEM.

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING THEY'RE GETTING THANKED.

THEY'VE BEEN INVITED TO BE THANKED HERE, BUT SO FAR, IT JUST HASN'T WORKED OUT.

SO BUT ANYWAY, WITH THAT SAID, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.

WHAT? OH, I FORGOT.

I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU.

WE ARE NOT A POSITION ON YOUR POSITION WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, THAT'S A WONDERFUL.

IT IS A GREAT HONOR, AND THERE ARE 60 CITIES ON MY COMMITTEE, SO I KNOW IT'S SO WE'L SEE WHAT HAPPENS IS SOME GOOD STUFF.

YES, GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

Y'ALL TAKE CARE. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.