4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING

[8.A.1. Ordinance 2023-24: Amends the Land Development portion of the zoning Code to add definitions and update the Historic Preservation Section and clarify the code related to partial demolitions. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL IN THE BIG BEND AREA OF FLORIDA.

SO I HAVE THAT UP ON THE SCREEN THERE.

IT'S ANTICIPATED TO MAKE LANDFALL AS A MAJOR HURRICANE SOMETIME LATE ON OR EARLY MORNING WEDNESDAY.

SO WE ANTICIPATE TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING FOR THE WORST OF THE IMPACTS TO COME IN.

THE CITY HAS BEGUN ITS STORM PREPARATIONS.

THEY'RE CLEARING OUT STORM DRAINS, CHECKING TIDE FLEX VALVES.

THE PARKING GARAGE WILL BE OPEN TOMORROW STARTING AT 5 P.M.

FOR RESIDENTS WANTING TO MOVE THEIR VEHICLES TO HIGHER GROUND.

THAT WILL BE FREE OF CHARGE AGAIN STARTING AT 5 P.M.

TOMORROW. SANDBAGGING OPERATIONS WILL BEGIN TOMORROW MORNING AT FRANCIS FIELD AT 8 A.M.

AND THEY WILL BE OPEN UNTIL THE SAND IS GONE.

SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN CLOSED.

AS FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 30TH.

NO OTHER CLOSURES ARE ANTICIPATED AT THIS TIME.

WE ARE UNDER A TROPICAL STORM WATCH THAT'S LIKELY TO BE UPGRADED TO A WARNING SOMETIME TOMORROW.

I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.

MY QUESTIONS. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD FROM A CITIZEN TODAY THAT I DIDN'T GET ANSWERED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT WAS GARBAGE TODAY.

GARBAGE PICKUP IS ON ITS REGULAR SCHEDULE.

GARBAGE PICKUP IS ON ITS REGULAR SCHEDULE, BUT RECYCLING WILL NOT BE PICKED UP LATER THIS WEEK.

NO RECYCLING THIS WEEK.

CORRECT. OKAY.

BUT REGULAR GARBAGE PICKUP.

YES, WE'RE ON TRACK.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU SPEND KEEPING US INFORMED.

ALL RIGHT. WE MOVE ON TO ORDINANCE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCE 2023-24 AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF THE ZONING CODE AND ADD DEFINITIONS AND UPDATE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SECTION AND CLARIFY THE CODE RELATED TO PARTIAL DEMOLITION.

MISS SKINNER, YOU'RE FREE TO PRESENT.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AS YOU NOTED, THIS IS ORDINANCE 2023, DASH 24, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE THAT PROPOSES TO UPDATE UPDATES AND CLARIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SECTIONS OF THE ZONING CODE, ADD SEVERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION RELATED DEFINITIONS TO THE DEFINITIONS SECTION OF THE CODE AND ATTEMPTS TO

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CLARIFY APPLICABILITY AND THRESHOLDS FOR WHAT IS CONSIDERED PARTIAL DEMOLITION FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, STAFF AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY HARB.

THIS INCLUDES ADOPTING AN ADDENDUM TO THE AHP, WHICH OUTLINES THE CRITERIA FOR PARTIAL DEMOLITION REVIEW OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

THIS DOES CHANGE THE REFERENCE POINT FOR WORK CONSIDERED A PARTIAL DEMOLITION FROM ALL BUILDINGS 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, WHICH THE CITY HAS SEVEN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS.

THE 50-YEAR-OLD OR OLDER RULE THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE STILL APPLIES TO A PROPOSED FULL DEMOLITION FOR STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE CITY'S CITIZEN BOARDS, INCLUDING HARB AND PCB, HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ITEM IN DEPTH.

THE PCB MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

ON JULY 20TH. ON JULY 10TH, EXCUSE ME, THE CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSED THIS ITEM AT THE FIRST READING AND MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS.

THE ORDINANCE AND ADDENDUM HAVE BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE THESE SUGGESTIONS.

THE MAIN ITEM WAS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE EMPHASIZING COMPATIBLE HISTORIC MATERIALS AS A PRIORITY BEFORE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS ARE CONSIDERED. SINCE THE JULY MEETING, A LETTER DESCRIBING THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND GENERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION INFORMATION WAS SENT OUT TO THE ROUGHLY 1600 PROPERTIES POTENTIALLY IMPACTED BY THIS ORDINANCE.

THE CITY COMMISSION ALSO SUGGESTED PROVIDING MORE DETAILS AND INFORMATION REGARDING PRODUCTS AND MATERIALS AT THEIR JULY 10TH MEETING.

STAFF IS WORKING TOO, ON A MAJOR UPDATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

WE SUGGEST THAT THIS INFORMATION WILL BE INCLUDED AND EMPHASIZED AS PART OF THIS UPDATE.

THE UPDATE EFFORT WILL BE A BIG PUSH THIS FALL, INCLUDING PUBLIC INFORMATION AND OUTREACH.

THIS IS A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I BELIEVE JULIE COURTNEY, OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SKINNER? ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, THEN.

I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS.

WE'RE GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS CHARLES PAPPAS, FOLLOWED BY DON HANEY.

I'M. NO, I'M SURE HE'LL CORRECT ME IF I GOT IT WRONG.

CHARLES PAPPAS, 46, MACARTHUR STREET.

WE NEED TO BE SWORN IN OR.

OKAY. PCB SPENT MONTHS OR MAYBE IT WAS YEARS BECAUSE IT SURE SEEMED LIKE THAT WITH THE PANDEMIC AND IN BETWEEN. ALL TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY.

THE PHRASE IS YOU'RE REMOVING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ADDED TO MOVE THINGS ALONG.

WITHOUT THOSE PHRASES, IT WOULD NOT BE IN FRONT OF YOU.

IT WOULD NOT HAVE GONE PAST THE PCB.

THOSE SIMPLE PHRASES THAT YOU SCRATCHED OUT AND DOES NOT INCLUDE MATERIAL TYPE AND MATERIAL COLORS.

AND THE PHRASES DOES NOT.

INCLUDE THE INTERIOR ITEMS WERE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PCB TO GET THAT THROUGH.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT CONTRIBUTING HOMES OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, NOT HISTORIC HOMES.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

IT'S THE CHARACTER OF THESE HOMES THAT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S THE BULK AND THE LOOK OF THESE HOMES, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.

YOU PUSH FOR AFFORDABILITY IN THE CITY.

YOU ASKED FOR FAMILIES TO MOVE IN.

CHANGING THAT.

THAT. THE FIRST IS TO LOOK AT COMPATIBLE TYPE WOOD AND HISTORIC MATERIALS CHANGES THE COST TO MAINTAIN THESE HOMES FOR THESE YOUNG FAMILIES, AND THAT STRIKES RIGHT AT AFFORDABILITY.

IN YOUR FIRST READING, YOU BROUGHT UP A SPECIFIC HOTEL WHOSE NEW MATERIALS YOU DIDN'T LIKE AND DIDN'T THINK IT WERE APPROPRIATE.

THAT HOTEL WENT THROUGH HORRIBLE APPROVAL.

SO PLEASE DON'T USE A BAD EXAMPLE TO JUSTIFY THE GOOD THAT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DOING AND TRYING TO KEEP THE CHARACTER.

I URGE YOU STRONGLY NOT TO STRIKE OUT THOSE WORDS.

THANK YOU. MR. HEIN. DON HEIN IS NEXT.

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MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS DON HINE.

I LIVE AT 21 FULLWOOD DRIVE IN ST.

AUGUSTINE. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS, AND I DIDN'T READ THE ORDINANCE, BUT I KIND OF, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

I LIVE IN A 71-YEAR-OLD HOME THAT I THINK I'M THE SECOND OWNER.

OH, I'M THE SECOND OWNER.

I'M THE SECOND OWNER.

AND ALTHOUGH THE HOUSE DOESN'T LOOK.

ACTUALLY, IT'LL PROBABLY LOOK BETTER BEFORE I BOUGHT IT ON THE OUTSIDE THAN IT DOES NOW.

BUT I'VE SPENT OVER.

I SPENT MORE MONEY IN REDOING THE INTERIOR.

EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE HAS BEEN REDONE EXCEPT FOR THE BLOCK WALLS ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE.

AND THE PLASTER WALLS INSIDE.

EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN NEW AND.

I THINK IT'S WE'RE DOING THE WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A THE LOOK OF IT OF THE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE THINGS WHICH PEOPLE ARE DOING.

I MEAN, IF YOU CHANGE A WINDOW OR A DOOR OR SOMEBODY ON AN ON DEBUT CHANGING IT IN 1927 WINDOW, IT'S SUPERFLUOUS.

IT ADDS TOO MUCH COST AND TOO MUCH MONEY TO THE COST OF HOUSING.

AND AS I SEE IT, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS, BUT I THINK THE CHARACTER OF THE OF THE CITY IS PLANNING.

I MEAN, IT'S CHANGING.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG COUPLES AND WE HAVE MANY SMALLER HOMES, LIKE MY HOUSE IS A 980 SQUARE FOOT.

UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE A LARGE FRONT PORCH AND A STORAGE BUILDING WHICH SOMEBODY EXPANDED UPON USING PLYWOOD.

I MEAN, IF ANYBODY LOOKED AT THAT PIECE OF STRUCTURE, WHY WOULD ANYONE WOULD WANT TO SAVE THAT WHEN I COULD ACTUALLY ENCLOSE IT WITH A GLASS WITH WITH A GLASS DOOR AND WINDOWS.

SO. I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE PUT THESE ORDINANCES ON HOLD, DO AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE CHANGING CHARACTER OF THE OF THE POPULATION IS IN THE TOWN AND TRY TO GET.

AND TRY TO ADDRESS THE ORDINANCES WHICH ENCOURAGE THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE OLDER HOMES FIRST THROUGH LIVABLE CONDITIONS.

AND RATHER THAN KEEP ON ADDING MORE AND MORE AND MORE REGULATIONS, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN DECADES, BUT AT ONE TIME THE MOST.

THE MOST. IMPORTANT.

THE REASON FOR MOST THE COST OF MOST HOUSING IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN THE COST OF OF RULES AND REGULATIONS RATHER THAN THE RATHER THAN THE STRUCTURAL STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND USE OF THE BUILDING.

SO PLEASE.

WELL, THAT ENDS THAT UP ANYWAY.

OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

ALL RIGHT. RIGHT.

SO. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR ANY WRAP UP? I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION FOR JULIE.

ON MR. PAPPAS'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE STRIKEOUTS.

WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT? WELL, WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AT THE JULY 10TH CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE A BALANCE AND WE FEEL THAT THE STRIKEOUTS DO NOT ELIMINATE THE USE OF COMPATIBLE MATERIALS, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF HISTORIC MATERIALS AS WELL.

SO I THINK IT GIVES US LATITUDE.

WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER COMPATIBLE MATERIALS IF THEY FOLLOW THE SAME DESIGN, LOOK AND FEEL.

BUT IT CERTAINLY IS PREFERENCE TO TRY TO WORK WITH HISTORIC MATERIALS.

THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE SOMETIMES IS USED TO JUSTIFY REPLACING MATERIALS, BUT OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT AM I GOING TO REPAIR A SECTION OF MY SIDING OR RESIDE MY ENTIRE HOUSE, OR AM I GOING TO REPAIR SOME OF MY WINDOWS OR REPLACE ALL OF MY HISTORIC WINDOWS WITH REPLACEMENTS THAT WILL ONLY LAST POSSIBLY 20 YEARS? AND THAT DEFINITELY ISN'T SPEAKING TO AFFORDABILITY EITHER.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YES. AND I WOULD JUST COMMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE REALLY WHAT WAS ADDED IN AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IS THE BLUE UNDERLINED AND IT'S NOT IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE FLEXIBLE, INTERPRETED FLEXIBLY, WHICH GIVES A LEEWAY, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, ME TENDING TOWARDS BEING MORE OF A PURIST.

BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION, A COMPROMISE, BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND I DID WATCH THE MEETINGS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, AND I DID HEAR THE DISCUSSION.

AND I ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND.

AND I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU ADDING IN THE LANGUAGE OF INTERIORS WHERE IT IS NOT OBTRUSIVE, IT'S JUST INTERIORS ARE CONSIDERED, BUT REALLY WHAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE CONSIDERATION TOO.

THANK YOU. YES, I WOULD SAY FOR THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN OUR CODE CURRENTLY.

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PCB ASKED US TO REMOVE.

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU ASKED FOR US TO PUT BACK IN.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AREN'T REVIEWING OFTEN, AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT WE CAN POINT TO THAT INTERIORS WERE REVIEWED, BUT IT'S JUST IN CASE THERE IS AN EXCEPTION.

THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXCEPTION THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO CONSIDER THAT.

I MEAN, THE PONCE IS A HOTEL BUILDING THAT WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT, THE NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK.

IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE CHANGES TO AN INTERIOR FROM THE EXTERIOR, SOMETIMES THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE THAT LOOKED AT MORE CLOSELY.

BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE PLAN TO DO ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THE THE WORDING THAT WAS TAKEN OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WINDOW SASHES OR TO SEE IF THERE'S WEIGHTS IN THE WINDOWS, WE DON'T DO THAT.

WE DON'T DO THAT WITH OUR LOCAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ZONING DISTRICTS AS WELL.

THANK YOU. WELL, AND JUST TO NOTE, THOUGH, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR DOES HAVE STANDARDS FOR INTERIORS.

SO IN CASE AND THAT IS WHAT OUR CODE CITES.

SO AT LEAST THERE ARE SOME REFERENCE POINTS THERE, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES INTO THE FOREFRONT.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

SO, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER CARD.

YEAH, WE JUST RECEIVED A LATE CARD.

A LATE CARD. OKAY.

OH, MR. GRANT.

MR. LEE. I'M SORRY I'M LATE.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THE CHANCE.

GRANT MR. LEE. THREE ALFRED STREET, ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION ORDINANCE.

I DO HAVE SOME BACKGROUND ON IT.

AND THAT I WAS ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WORKED TOGETHER WITH CITY STAFF QUITE A BIT TO MAKE IT PALATABLE TO HOMEOWNERS AND INITIALLY.

INITIALLY THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT THIS REALLY EXTENDED THE THE POWERS OF HARB WELL BEYOND THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

AND IN MY OWN CASE, MY HOME IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS.

AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER, WHICH MAKES MY HOUSE PART OF THIS.

AND WHEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PURSUED THAT, HOMEOWNERS WERE ASSURED THAT THIS WOULD NOT RESULT IN, YOU KNOW, THINGS JUST LIKE THIS, WHERE IT WOULD BE LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE A BOARD TO GET APPROVAL TO DO ANYTHING TO YOUR HOUSE.

AND SO, THE HOMEOWNERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD EMBRACED THIS NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER PURSUIT.

I REALLY DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE EXTENDING TO INCLUDE MATERIALS OF CONSTRUCTION.

MY HOUSE YOU KNOW, HARDIE BOARD LOOKS THE SAME AS CYPRESS SIDING.

I MY HOUSE HAS OLD HEART PINE WINDOW FRAMES THAT DON'T MEET HURRICANE CODE.

REPLACING THESE THINGS BECOMES VERY COSTLY IF MATERIALS ARE INCLUDED.

IT AFFECTS THE LEAD TIME ON MATERIALS.

WE ALL HEAR ABOUT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

NOW IMAGINE HAVING TO HAVE A HANDCRAFTED WINDOW TO MATCH WHAT WAS DONE IN 1913.

THE ROOF ON MY HOUSE IS ORIGINAL, MADE OF MATERIALS THAT YOU CAN'T GET ANYMORE.

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I'M LATE BECAUSE I AM INSURED BY CITIZENS, WHICH IS THE INSURER OF LAST RESORT WHO SENT AN INSPECTOR OUT TO MY HOUSE AND WAS NOT HAPPY AT ALL ABOUT ME STILL HAVING THE ORIGINAL ROOF ON MY HOUSE.

AND I WAS TELLING HIM ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE.

HE WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INSURANCE NIGHTMARE IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THINGS WITH THE SAME MATERIALS.

SO THE ORDINANCE THAT WE LANDED ON AT PCB TOOK THE MATERIALS OF CONSTRUCTION OUT.

OBVIOUSLY, VISUALLY, WE WANTED IT TO STILL MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, BUT MATERIALS OF CONSTRUCTION AND I BELIEVE THE THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED INCLUDED VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

AND I SEE THE REVISIONS INCLUDE INTERIOR PARTS OF THE HOME, TOO.

SO IT JUST SEEMS TO BE QUITE A DRAMATIC REACH INTO PEOPLE OUT OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND I THINK IT'S IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME AS A HOMEOWNER, AND I THINK IT WILL CREATE LOTS OF CHALLENGES FOR THE PUBLIC WHO BOUGHT THESE HOUSES NOT KNOWING THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD HAPPEN.

AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME, EVEN THOUGH I WAS LATE.

I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO AND THE CITY WORKERS THAT ARE ALL SCRAMBLING, I'M SURE, TO PREPARE FOR THIS STORM.

SO THANK YOU FOR THEM AS WELL.

THANKS. SO.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I GUESS MY COMMENT IS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES THAT I SEE ARE.

TERMS LIKE COMPATIBLE SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL.

MATERIALS THAT FOLLOW THE SAME LOOK AND PATTERN.

THESE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT.

THEY'RE NOT SPECIFYING THAT.

I HOPE THAT.

HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

COMPATIBLE. COMPATIBLE.

SUBSTANCE. SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS COMPATIBLE.

THIS IS PAGE FIVE.

YEAH. YEAH.

THE BLUE. YEAH.

THOSE ARE THE TERMS THAT ARE USED.

THEY'RE NOT, LIKE I SAID, SPECIFICALLY REQUIRING REPLACEMENT OF EXACT THE SAME MATERIAL.

I THINK THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE.

I THINK YOU CAME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION AND COMPROMISE.

SO, I'M REALLY NOT SWAYED.

BY THIS. ANY QUESTIONS? I WOULD SAY THAT IS CORRECT.

WE WERE TRYING TO BASICALLY STRIKE A BALANCE, KNOWING THAT THE DIFFICULTIES WITH MATERIALS.

AND SO WE JUST WERE TRYING TO EMPHASIZE, AS YOU AS WAS DISCUSSED IN JULY, THAT WE WOULD PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC MATERIALS.

BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE AVAILABILITY CAN BE CONCERN.

AND SO THAT WE AS LONG AS THINGS ARE COMPATIBLE, THE REFERENCE TO THE INTERIORS WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY EXISTING IN THE CODE.

WE HAD STRICKEN IT.

WE WERE JUST PUTTING BASICALLY PUTTING THAT BACK IN.

AND I THINK THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL SENTENCE THAT JUST SORT OF CLARIFIED THAT IT'S REALLY FROM THE STREET.

IT'S NOT INTENDED TO REACH INTERIOR INTO DEEP INTO THE INTERIORS, AND IT'S JUST WHAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. COMMISSIONER'S FINAL COMMENTS.

I SEE IT AS A COMPROMISE.

I SEE.

I'M LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING THIS.

I THINK IT'S A SENSIBLE APPROACH.

I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

[8.A.2. Ordinance 2023-25: Amends section 2-77 of the City Code regarding competitive bids. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]

SO, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-24.

READ BY TITLE ONLY.

YES. ALL SECOND ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-24.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 28, SECTION 28, DASH TWO ADDING DEFINITIONS RELATED TO ARCHITECTURAL TERMS. DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION.

AMENDING CHAPTER 28 SECTION 28-87 CLARIFYING THE CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK AND PROVIDING FOR REVIEW OF PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMITS.

SECTION 2888.

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CLARIFYING PROCEDURES AND APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

SECTION 2889.

REVISING AND CLARIFYING CRITERIA FOR THE REVIEW OF A CERTIFICATE OF OR OPINION OF APPROPRIATENESS, RELOCATION OR DEMOLITION.

SECTION 28-90 ADDING REFERENCE TO PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND CLARIFYING DEPARTMENT REFERENCES.

SECTION 28 DASH 91 ADDING REFERENCE TO HISTORIC LANDMARK OR LOCAL LANDMARK AND RELOCATION OR DEMOLITION OR PARTIAL DEMOLITION.

SECTION 28-92 ADDING REFERENCE TO PARTIAL DEMOLITION.

ADOPTING EXHIBIT A AS AN ADDENDUM TO THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT LET'S MOVE ON TO ORDINANCE 2023, DASH 25.

MS. LOPEZ ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING WILL BE PRESENTING THIS COMING UP.

I THINK I CAN'T SEE BEHIND ME.

I'M SORRY. MR. SACHER, WELCOME.

YEAH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER GARRISON.

THIS EVENING I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND AND KNOWLEDGE TO BEHIND THE CHANGE.

FROM TIME TO TIME, THE PURCHASING MANUAL GETS REVISED TO ADD EITHER EFFICIENCIES TO PROVIDING PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE PROJECTS THAT THE CITY TAKES ON IN THESE REVISIONS.

IT IS NEVER MEANT TO BE TO TAKE AWAY FROM TRANSPARENCY.

SO THE IDEA WITH THIS IS THAT WE LOOK AT OUR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION IN THIS CHARTER OR IN THE CHARTER.

THIS SECTION 2-77 TALKS ABOUT COMPETITIVE BIDS.

AND IN IT WE WANTED TO REVISE THE LANGUAGE TO SUPPORT SECTION TWO, DASH 146, WHICH ALLOWS THE CITY MANAGER AT TIMES TO ADD AND CHANGE THESE

[9.B.1. Resolution 2023-25: Authorizes City to participate in the Local Agency Program with the Florida Department of Transportation. (C. Sakryd, Director General Services)]

EFFICIENCIES IN THE PROCUREMENT MANUAL.

SO, THESE PROCUREMENT STANDARDS ARE PUBLISHED THERE ON THE WEBSITE THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE AND HOW WE PROCURE GOODS AND SERVICES FOR THE CITY ON THE TAXPAYERS' DOLLAR. AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST IN THE LAST YEAR WE'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THE COST OF LIVING AND THOSE CPI NUMBERS HAVE DIRECTLY AFFECTED HOW WE PROCURE THESE GOODS AND SERVICES TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE IN AND AROUND THE CITY.

SO, IN AMENDING THE PROCUREMENT MANUAL AND AMENDING THIS ORDINANCE PRESENTED AS SUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. ZACHARY BEFORE WE CONTINUE? I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS, SO I WILL SIMULTANEOUSLY OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND CLOSE IT.

AND WE'RE BACK TO DISCUSSION.

I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 25 AND READ BY TITLE ONLY BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL MAKE THE PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

I SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-25, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE FOUR, DIVISION ONE, SECTION 2-77 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE TO PROVIDE FOR BID SOLICITATION PROCEDURES AND PROCUREMENT THRESHOLDS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF ST.

[10.A. Update efforts to draft a HUD qualified Homeless Strategic Plan providing community input and requesting feedback. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

AUGUSTINE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU. WE WILL.

YOU CAN JUST STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 9.B AND YOU ARE FREE TO PRESENT.

THIS IS A RESOLUTION 2023-25.

YES. MAYOR, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, TONIGHT IS A LOCAL AGENCY PROGRAM AGREEMENT, ALONG WITH A RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO ENTER IN A PROJECT WITH THE FDOT THAT IS FEDERALLY FUNDED THROUGH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.

IT'S CALLED THE SMART ST.

AUGUSTINE PROGRAM.

TO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS, THE CITY HAD TO RECERTIFY AS A LOCAL AGENCY PROGRAM, AND WE COMPLETED THAT LATE LAST YEAR, EARLY THIS YEAR.

AND THIS FIRST STEP IN THE SERIES OF THE SMART ST.

AUGUSTINE PROJECT IS THIS AGREEMENT, ALONG WITH THE RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS THAT APPROVES THE PROJECT, NUMBER ONE.