Jul 10, 2023 City Commission

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ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME.

IT IS 5:00, AND I AM CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

[1. CALL TO ORDER ]

UM, TODAY WE WILL HAVE MISTER DAVID CARLSON, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS GIVE OUR INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, LED BY VICE MAYOR ROXANNE HORVATH.

MISTER CARLSON, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE PODIUM.

PLEASE STAND.

OUR DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE ARE GRATEFUL THIS EVENING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH OUR CIVIC LEADERS.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THEM.

GRATEFUL TO HAVE LEADERS WHO ARE CONCERNED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WHO FOCUSED THEIR EFFORTS ON BLESSING THE LIVES OF EACH PERSON WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THEIR EFFORTS.

GRATEFUL FOR THEIR SACRIFICE.

WE ASK THAT THOU WOULDST CONTINUE TO BLESS THEM, THAT THEY MAY CONTINUE TO HAVE WISDOM.

ENCOURAGED TO BE ABLE TO LEAD OUR COMMUNITY, BLESS ALSO THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR RELATIONSHIPS AS THEY SACRIFICE TIME AWAY FROM THOSE THAT THEY LOVE, THAT THEY MAY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO FOSTER THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

WE'RE GRATEFUL AS A COMMUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND PRAY FOR THY SPIRIT TO BE WITH US, THAT WE MIGHT FIND AND SEEK OPPORTUNITIES TO FURTHER OUR COMMUNITY, TO BLESS INDIVIDUAL LIVES AND FAMILIES AND RELATIONSHIPS.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THESE GREAT MOMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO BE TOGETHER TO WORK WITH UNITY TOWARDS THE GREATER GOOD OF EACH PERSON IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE SAY THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

AMEN. PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE.

PLEASE BE SEATED.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MODIFICATION AND APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[2. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS ]

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ANY MODIFICATIONS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE. WE APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.

SECOND, WE HAVE A SECOND.

THAT. PERFECT. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. THANK YOU.

NO SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.

SKIPPING DOWN, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ]

LET'S SEE. MADELINE WISE, FOLLOWED BY LAUREN GEIGER.

WELCOME. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

NAME IS MADELINE WISE.

MISS WISE, COULD YOU PULL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH? THANK YOU. 140 WASHINGTON STREET.

I AM CO-CHAIR OF THE LINCOLNVILLE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION SOCIETY AND I AM A LCRA BOARD MEMBER.

I AM COMING TO YOU ALL TONIGHT WITH SEVERAL ISSUES I HAVE WITH THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN LINCOLNVILLE.

WE HAD A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH ON EMAIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT GUIDELINES FOR WHAT IS BEING BUILT IN LINCOLNVILLE.

OKAY. IN 1991 THE CITY APPLIED FOR NATIONAL HISTORICAL STANDARDS FOR LINCOLNVILLE.

THEY SUBMITTED A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT MADE LINCOLNVILLE HISTORICAL.

WELL, I WON'T TELL YOU HOW MANY ARE STILL STANDING.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE CITY DOING THAT'S PROTECTING THOSE BUILDINGS? AND WE TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLNVILLE.

LIKE THE SIDEWALKS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING READY TO DO.

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BUT YET WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CHARACTER PERTAINING TO LINCOLNVILLE.

SO OUR ISSUE ON FACEBOOK, ON EMAIL THE OTHER WEEK WAS HOW DO WE PROTECT THE HISTORIC VALUE OF LINCOLNVILLE? WHAT CAN BE DONE? WELL, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THINGS HAD TO BE CODIFIED.

I KNOW WE'VE BEEN GOING ROUND AND ROUND WITH GUIDELINES.

WELL, GUIDELINES ARE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT THAT, GUIDELINES.

YOU CAN DO IT OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.

SO OUR QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM THE CITY OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING? BECAUSE ALL THESE BIG OLD MONSTROSITIES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN LINCOLNVILLE, PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN SEE THE SUN NO MORE THAT LIVE IN THEIR OWN OLD HOMES BECAUSE NOW ALL THESE NEW BIG OLD HIGH RISES ARE BEING ABLE TO BE BUILT WITH NO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST SO APPROVAL NOW.

IT'S SO EVERYBODY'S KIND OF WONDERING, WELL DANG WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO STOP BECAUSE NOTHING LOOKS LIKE LINCOLNVILLE ANYMORE.

AND LIKE I SAY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THIS NEW STUFF.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THE CITY WITH THE LCRA.

AND WE TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLNVILLE.

THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLNVILLE IS THE LOOK OF LINCOLNVILLE, NOT JUST THE CHURCHES, THE LOOK, THE CHARACTER, THE OLDER HOMES THAT MADE LINCOLNVILLE HISTORICAL.

OKAY. THAT'S ONE THING.

OKAY. MY OTHER THING WAS, UM, THE OTHER DAY IT WAS A FUNERAL AND THEY GAVE OUT TICKETS.

THE POLICE.

BUT TODAY I'M LOOKING AT CARS PARKED ON THE YELLOW IN LINCOLNVILLE TOO.

AND THEY ARE THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO GET TICKETS.

SO NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ON ONE DAY, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS THING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

OKAY. WITH THE TICKETS.

OKAY. IT'S MY THING.

COUNT DOWN MY THREE SECONDS.

BUT OKAY, THAT WAS MY MAIN THING.

BUT THANK YOU, ALL, GUYS.

ALL RIGHT, MISS.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MISS GIEBER, FOLLOWED BY SKYLER PITTMAN.

IS THE SCREEN WORKING? WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE SCREEN UP.

YEAH, IT'S UP. THERE WE GO.

GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

LAUREN GIEBER. LINCOLNVILLE, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THE ISSUE WITH NOT SAVING THE LOOK OF NEIGHBORHOODS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

IN LINCOLNVILLE, WE HAVE AN ECLECTIC LOOK OF HOMES, MANY DATING BACK TO THE 1800S AND THROUGHOUT THE CENTURY.

HOWEVER, RECENTLY WE'VE HAD THE ADDITION OF MODERN STRUCTURES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH HAVE NO PLACE AT ALL BEING IN LINCOLNVILLE.

OTHER HOMEOWNERS WITH NEW HOMES HAVE HAD ARCHITECTS DESIGN AND BUILD HOMES THAT FIT INTO THE LANDSCAPE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THESE ARE NOT THEM.

WELL, THE NEXT IMAGE IS I WILL SHOW YOU ARE ALL NEW HOUSES, BUT THEY ALL HAVE CHARACTERISTICS OF BEING FROM LINCOLNVILLE. INSTEAD OF ALLOWING MODERN HOMES TO BE BUILT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS PART OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER, INCENTIVES SHOULD BE MADE TO HAVE HOMES BUILT IN THE STYLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

THAT HAS A LONG HISTORY IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THE OTHER PART THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE RECOGNITION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND ALL THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED, PAST AND PRESENT AND FUTURE.

WE NEED TO KEEP THE FREEDOM TRAIL ALIVE AND VIABLE, NOT ONLY IN LINCOLNVILLE, BUT IN ALL OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

AND IF WE NEED TO ASK THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO HELP TO KEEP THIS ENDEAVOR ALIVE, WE WILL HOPE THEY WILL EMBRACE THE LEGACY OF THE FREEDOM TRAIL.

THIS IS A NEW HOME THAT WAS RECENTLY BUILT IN LINCOLNVILLE ON RIBERIA STREET.

THIS FITS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF LINCOLNVILLE.

THIS IS MY OWN HOME THAT WAS BUILT SEVEN YEARS AGO IN LINCOLNVILLE.

THIS TOO, FITS WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL INFLUENCES OF THE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR'S HOME ACROSS THE STREET THAT WAS BUILT OVER TEN YEARS AGO.

AND THAT TOO FITS WITHIN THE CULTURAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASPECT.

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AND THIS ONE ALSO FITS INTO THE CULTURAL ASPECT OF LINCOLNVILLE.

THIS HOME WAS RECENTLY BUILT IN 2019IN A VERY SMALL LOT, AND THAT TOO FITS WITHIN THE CULTURE OF LINCOLNVILLE. THIS HOME WAS JUST BUILT THIS PAST YEAR.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE COLUMNS THAT THEY'VE PUT IN THESE TO MIMIC AND OUR PART OF LINCOLNVILLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MS. GIEBER.

SKYLER PITTMAN, FOLLOWED BY BJ KALAIDI.

I'M SKYLER PITTMAN.

I'M A SOPHOMORE AT FLAGLER COLLEGE, AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT COMPASSIONATE SAINT AUGUSTINE AS I'M ON THEIR BOARD.

AND WE JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE NEW EFFORTS SURROUNDING HOMELESSNESS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AND WE JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE STARTING TO DO.

I'M GOING TO READ THE CHARTER FOR COMPASSION.

THE PRINCIPLE OF COMPASSION LIES AT THE HEART OF ALL RELIGIOUS, ETHICAL AND SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, CALLING US ALWAYS TO TREAT ALL OTHERS AS WE WISH TO BE TREATED OURSELVES.

COMPASSION IMPELS US TO WORK TIRELESSLY TO ALLEVIATE THE SUFFERING OF OUR FELLOW CREATURES, TO DETHRONE OURSELVES FROM THE CENTER OF OUR WORLD AND PUT ANOTHER THERE, AND TO HONOR THE INVIOLABLE SANCTITY OF EVERY HUMAN BEING.

TREATING EVERYBODY, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WITH ABSOLUTE JUSTICE, EQUITY AND RESPECT.

IT IS ALSO NECESSARY IN BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LIFE TO REFRAIN CONSISTENTLY AND EMPATHETICALLY FROM INFLICTING PAIN, TO ACT OR SPEAK VIOLENTLY OUT OF SPITE, CHAUVINISM OR SELF-INTEREST, TO IMPOVERISH, EXPLOIT OR DENY BASIC RIGHTS TO ANYBODY AND TO INCITE HATRED BY DENIGRATING OTHERS EVEN OUR ENEMIES AND EVEN OUR ENEMIES IS A DENIAL OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE FAILED TO LIVE COMPASSIONATELY AND THAT SOME HAVE EVEN INCREASED THE SUM OF HUMAN MISERY IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.

WE THEREFORE CALL UPON ALL MEN AND WOMEN TO RESTORE COMPASSION TO THE CENTER OF MORALITY AND RELIGION, TO RETURN TO THE ANCIENT PRINCIPLE THAT ANY INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE THAT BREEDS VIOLENCE, HATRED OR DISDAIN IS ILLEGITIMATE.

TO ENSURE THAT YOUTH ARE GIVEN ACCURATE AND RESPECTFUL INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER TRADITIONS, RELIGIONS AND CULTURES, TO ENCOURAGE A POSITIVE APPRECIATION OF CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY, TO CULTIVATE AN INFORMED EMPATHY WITH THE SUFFERING OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS, EVEN THOSE REGARDED AS ENEMIES.

WE URGENTLY NEED TO MAKE COMPASSION A CLEAR, LUMINOUS AND DYNAMIC FORCE IN OUR POLARIZED WORLD, ROOTED IN A PRINCIPLED DETERMINATION TO TRANSCEND SELFISHNESS.

COMPASSION CAN BREAK DOWN POLITICAL, DOGMATIC, IDEOLOGICAL AND RELIGIOUS BOUNDARIES BORN OF OUR DEEP INTERDEPENDENCE.

COMPASSION IS ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS AND TO A FULFILLED HUMANITY.

IT IS THE PATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT AND INDISPENSABLE TO THE CREATION OF A JUST ECONOMY AND A PEACEFUL GLOBAL COMMUNITY.

GENEVA, SWITZERLAND.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME.

IT WAS LOVELY TO TALK TO YOU.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS LOVELY TO HEAR AGAIN, MISS BJ KALAIDI.

BJ KALAIDI, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE NINE B1, RESOLUTION 2023-20.

THE MILLAGE RATE, ALSO KNOWN AS PROPERTY TAX RATE, SHOULD REMAIN 7.5 OR BE REDUCED TO 7.02.

OLIVIA SMITH AND ALL THE STAFF IN THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.

LET ME SAY THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON JULY 4TH.

SHE, CAITLIN SERGEANT JESSICA BEACH AND ALL STAFF INFORMING THE PUBLIC ABOUT FLOOD INFORMATION BY PROVIDING WRITTEN INFORMATION NOT JUST THROUGH EMAIL.

LET ME SAY THANK YOU.

AND I WANT TO SHOW TWO PICTURES FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE.

THEY MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THIS YET, BUT THIS IS AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OFFICES TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE RESILIENCY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE AN EMAIL.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT BEING DONE.

EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE EMAIL AND EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE A COMPUTER.

SOMETIMES WE FORGET THAT.

AND THIS IS LET ME SEE IF YOU CAN GET THAT UP THERE.

THANK YOU, MISS DON.

LET ME ACCLIMATE THIS.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE ARE.

ALL RIGHT. THIS WAS PROVIDED BY MISS BEACH AND PEOPLE WORKING WITH HER.

WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THIS IS DAVIS SHORES.

THIS IS LINCOLNVILLE AND THIS IS THE NORTH PART OF THE CITY.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THESE DOTS IS SHOWING THE PUBLIC THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE GONE TO PLANNING AND BUILDING AND PUBLIC WORKS TO HAVE THEIR HOMES RAZED.

SO IT IS AVAILABLE.

THERE IS A PROCESS.

BUT TO LET THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THIS IS BEING DONE AND IF YOU NEED HELP, IT'S A TEDIOUS PROJECT, BUT

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AND I JUST WANTED TO LET PEOPLE SEE THAT YOU CAN GET SOME HELP.

IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE WHILE, BUT IT IS BEING DONE.

SO THE MAIN AREA, AS WE KNOW, IS IN DAVIS SHORES.

BUT THERE IS OTHER PARTS IN THE CITY LIMITS OF SAINT AUGUSTINE THAT DOES FLOOD AND NEED THAT KIND OF HELP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THAT IS THE END OF CARDS THAT I HAVE.

SO PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA ]

THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR JULY 10TH, 2023 IS AS FOLLOWS.

THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCES ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING ON JULY 24TH, 2023.

ORDINANCE 2023-22 AMENDS CHAPTER 17 REGARDING CERTIFIED GUIDES AND EXAMINATION.

ORDINANCE 2023-23 VACATES A PORTION OF DEPOT STREET.

ORDINANCE 2023-24.

PARTIAL DEMOLITION CODE AMENDMENTS.

REMINDER OF UPCOMING MEETINGS.

AUGUST 14TH, 2023, 3:03 P.M..

SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING.

DISCUSSION OF THE 2024 BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS AND FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

AUGUST 14TH, 2023 5:00 PM.

REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

AUGUST 24TH, 2023, AT 9 A.M., SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING TO DISCUSSION OF FISCAL YEAR 2024 TENTATIVE BUDGET AND ACTION ITEMS. AUGUST 25TH, 2023 09 A.M.

IF NECESSARY, CONTINUATION OF AUGUST 24TH SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING.

WE HAVE A RELEASE OF LIEN FOR UNIT CONNECTION FEES AT 1154 WEST KING STREET EXTENSION FOR SHIRLEY JONES AND SHANIKA ANDREWS.

AND AT 335 RIBERIA STREET FOR SHIRLEY JONES.

WE HAVE NOTIFICATION THAT CERTIFICATES OF RECOGNITION WILL BE PRESENTED TO THREE STUDENTS PARTICIPATING IN THE SAINT AUGUSTINE AVILES, FLORIDA/AVILES SPAIN STUDENT EXCHANGE PROGRAM ON JULY 24TH, 2023, AT THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

WE HAVE AN INVOICE FOR CAVENDISH PARTNERS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,856 IN THE SPADARO PARCEL SWAP PROJECT.

AND THAT CONCLUDES THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO MOVED. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? AYE. ALL RIGHT.

[7.A. General Public Presentations ]

I RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS AND THEIR SPECIAL EFFORTS REGARDING COMMUNITY.

TO HELP DURING HURRICANE SEASON AND I APPROVED A REQUEST TO SPONSOR THEM AND A PRESENTATION FOR TEN MINUTES. SO WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

SO WELCOME.

YOU'RE FREE TO PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

MAYOR SIKES-KLINE THANK YOU AND THE CITY COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY JUST TO DISCUSS WHAT WE DO AS AN ORGANIZATION.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL LAVOY.

I'M THE STATE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS HERE IN THIS AREA REPRESENT THE 3000 MEMBERS IN SAINT JOHNS AND PUTNAM COUNTY.

THE EIGHT CONGREGATIONS THAT MEET HERE IN THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AREA AND TWO OF WHICH ARE HERE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, ARE OUR CHAPEL IN THE SAINT AUGUSTINE SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN A STAPLE THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, OVER 35 YEARS.

AND SO WE APPRECIATE THE TIME TONIGHT.

UM, WE'RE THE LARGEST PRIVATE LANDOWNER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE CLOSE TO 3000 MEMBERS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

ONE OF WHICH OF THOSE CONGREGATIONS IS A DEAF UNIT WHICH SUPPORTS THE FLORIDA SCHOOL OF DEAF AND BLIND.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT.

WE HAVE CURRENTLY TWO BUILDINGS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED IN THE SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS OFF OF COUNTY ROAD TWO TEN INCHES NORTHERN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

WE'VE JUST ANNOUNCED AND PURCHASED 5.6, SEVEN ACRES IN THE SILVER LEAF AREA TO BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING.

AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR LAND IN NOCATEE TO HANDLE THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD.

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WE LOVE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT WE ARE HERE.

AND WHEN A DISASTER STRIKES, WE DO BRING IN VOLUNTEERS.

WHAT WE DO IS ESTABLISH COMMAND CENTERS WHERE WE BRING IN THE SUPPLIES.

IT'S A CENTRAL POINT OF OUR CHURCH RELIEF EFFORTS.

THE COMMAND CENTER PROVIDES TRAINING AND WORK ORDERS TO TEAMS AND PROVIDES THOSE TEAMS WITH RESOURCES, CAMPING AND WORK SUPPLIES, TOILETS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND WE COORDINATE WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE CLEAN UP AFTER A STORM.

USUALLY THOSE COMMAND CENTERS ARE AT OUR CHURCH BUILDINGS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT WHY WE LOCATE THEM GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE OUR MEMBERS ARE.

WE SHIP IN THESE LOCAL SUPPLIES FROM WHAT WE CALL THE BISHOP'S STOREHOUSE.

WE HAVE ONE STOREHOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE.

THOSE ARE ALSO PURCHASED LOCALLY, BUT ALSO THE SUPPLIES COME FROM SALT LAKE CITY AS WELL AS ATLANTA AND ORLANDO.

THESE REGIONAL STOREHOUSES ARE SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST.

OUR MEMBERS DONATE MONEY AND WE BUY THOSE SUPPLIES AND STORE THEM AT THOSE REGIONAL STOREHOUSES FOR FUTURE USE.

WHAT ARE IN THOSE STOREHOUSES? THERE'S FLOOD RELATED SUPPLIES LIKE CROWBARS AND SHOVELS AND DEBRIS, SLEDS AND THOSE CLEANUP KITS.

HURRICANE AND TORNADO RELIEF SUPPLIES, ROOF REPAIR KITS, FURRING STRIPS, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO REPAIR A ROOF.

WORKER SAFETY SUPPLIES, MASKS, EARPLUGS, GLOVES AND OTHER PPE.

WE ALSO HAVE EMERGENCY FOOD THAT'S THERE AND OVER 70 INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT REALLY CONTRIBUTE TO CLEANING UP AFTER THE STORMS. WHAT DO THE HELPING HANDS VOLUNTEERS DO? THEY WEAR THOSE YELLOW SHIRTS AND THEY COME IN THE THOUSANDS.

WE MUCK OUT HOUSES, WHICH IS THOSE OF YOU VERY FAMILIAR WITH FLOODED HOUSES.

WE CALL IT A MUCK OUT.

WE REMOVE THE DRYWALL, INSULATION, FLOORING, FURNITURE AND APPLIANCES.

WE CUT TREES.

WE REMOVE DEBRIS, WE REPAIR ROOFS.

WE ALSO DISTRIBUTE FOOD DURING DUST STORMS. WE ALSO HAVE A CALL CENTER, VOLUNTEERS FOR WHAT WE CALL A CRISIS CLEANUP HOTLINE AND I'LL KIND OF FAST FORWARD TO THAT SLIDE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT. THIS IS A WEBSITE THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO.

IT IS AGNOSTIC.

IT'S NEUTRAL. IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE CHURCH AT ALL.

IN FACT, WHAT WE DO IS COORDINATE WITH ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS CATHOLIC CHARITIES, FEMA, TEAM RUBICON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO PROVIDE HELP AFTER DISASTER.

AND WE'VE SET UP THIS WEBSITE WHERE THOSE THAT WANT TO GIVE HELP AND THOSE THAT NEED HELP ARE MARRIED TOGETHER.

AND ON THIS WEBSITE, THE TYPE OF WORK ORDER THAT IS NEEDED IS DISPLAYED AT THE LOCATION AND ADDRESS THAT IT'S NEEDED.

AND THEN IT CHANGES COLORS DEPENDING ON IF SOME ORGANIZATION CLAIMS IT.

IN ORDER TO JOIN THE WEBSITE, YOU HAVE TO BE A REPUTABLE ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO PROVIDE HELP.

AND SO IT'S VETTED.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS CREATE KIND OF A VIRTUAL CALL CENTER OF VOLUNTEERS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

ANYBODY WITH AN INTERNET CONNECTION AND A HEART OF A VOLUNTEER CAN ANSWER CALLS FROM SURVIVORS AFTER DISASTERS AND GET A WORK ORDER PLACED ON THIS MAP SO THAT THOSE THAT WANT TO GIVE HELP CAN LOG ON AND SEE WHERE THE HELP IS NEEDED.

AND WE CAN TALK FURTHER INDIVIDUALLY, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR DISASTER CLEANUP AS CITY OFFICIALS AND USUALLY COUNTY OFFICIALS IS WORRIED ABOUT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT PRIVATE PROPERTY YOU CAN'T REALLY DEAL WITH.

BUT OUR CITIZENS NEED HELP.

AND SO YOU NEED A PLACE TO PLACE THOSE THOSE REQUESTS FOR VOLUNTEERS AND VOLUNTEER HELP.

THIS WAS A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE DID DURING HURRICANE MATTHEW.

NOW, IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT HURRICANE MATTHEW CAME AT A TIME WHERE FLORIDA CITIZENS GOT A LITTLE LULL AND DULL WITH THE STORMS. THERE WAS A BIG GAP BETWEEN STORMS IN 2004 AND 2005 UNTIL MATTHEW HIT IN 2016.

WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF MATTHEW MAKING LANDFALL, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS RESPONDED WITH THREE FULLY EQUIPPED COMMAND CENTERS OF OVER 1900 VOLUNTEERS.

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DURING THE FIVE WEEK RESPONSE, THERE WERE OVER 302,000 WORK HOURS DONATED.

THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO 828 YEARS OF VOLUNTEER TIME.

WE DID 5517 WORK ORDERS AND IT'S WHAT THE SAVIOR WOULD DO.

WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBOR AND WE DIDN'T ASK FOR A DIME FOR THAT.

AND SO IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT WE ALSO, DURING PEACETIME, WHEN THERE'S NOT A STORM OUT THERE, WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT'S FREE.

ANY VOLUNTEER THAT WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER FOR ANYTHING, A FOOD KITCHEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO VOLUNTEER AT ANY ORGANIZATION THAT'S LISTED ON THIS WEBSITE, YOU CAN IT'S CALLED JUST SERV.ORG.

IT'S A FREE COMMUNITY WEBSITE THAT WE SET UP THAT ALLOWS ORGANIZATIONS TO ASK FOR VOLUNTEERS ON THAT WEBSITE AND YOU CAN FIND THAT AT ANY TIME.

SO FROM A HUMANITARIAN AID PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE LDS CHARITIES, THE HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS TO RELIEVE SUFFERING FOR FAMILIES OF ALL NATIONALITIES, RELIGIONS AND OFFER HOPE WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR A BETTER LIFE FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.

OUR HELPING HANDS VOLUNTEER EFFORT, WHICH IS EMERGENCY RESPONSE AFTER DISASTERS, HAS HELPED OVER 1 BILLION MEMBERS AND NONMEMBERS ALIKE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AFTER DISASTERS.

WE HAVE THE LDS PHILANTHROPIES, WHICH IS FORMERLY LDS PHILANTHROPIES, A DEPARTMENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FACILITATING DONATIONS TO HUMANITARIAN AND EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES.

AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE PERPETUAL EDUCATION FUND, WHICH ALLOWS FOR PEOPLE IN THIRD, THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES TO GET EDUCATED.

AND WHEN THEY GET EDUCATED, THEY DONATE MONEY BACK.

AND SO IT'S JUST A PERPETUAL EDUCATION FUND TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO FURTHER THEMSELVES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

NOW, I KNOW I RAN THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICK, BUT I DID GIVE YOU A FOLDER AND A BOOK OF MORMON AND OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU CAN REVIEW LATER.

BUT I THINK THE MESSAGE TONIGHT IS THAT WE'RE HERE, AND WHEN DISASTERS STRIKE, WE DO BRING IN A LOAD OF VOLUNTEERS THAT WEAR THE YELLOW SHIRT.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PARTNER TOGETHER BOTH, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AS WELL AS RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY RECOVER AFTER THESE DISASTERS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY TO RECOVER.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.

AND YOU ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE AS LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE.

THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH SAINT GERARD'S HOUSE, WITH CLEANING UP GRAVEYARDS, WITH DONATING FOOD. EVEN YOU KNOW, THE GIVING MACHINE WAS AWESOME.

IF YOU HAD A CHANCE THIS PAST HOLIDAY SEASON TO GO DOWN TO THE GIVING MACHINE THAT WE SPONSORED.

IT WAS A TRAILER THAT WE BROUGHT IN AND AND HAD BASICALLY ALL THE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS LISTED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

AND WE PICKED A COUPLE OF LOCAL CHARITIES, SAINT GERARD'S HOUSE BEING ONE OF THOSE.

AND THE COMMUNITY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE A VENDING MACHINE TO GO IN AND DONATE TO THE CHARITY OF THEIR CHOICE.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE DONE.

WE JUST LIKE TO PARTNER WITH YOU AND KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE AND THAT WE HELP THOSE COMMUNITY CITIZENS WHENEVER WE CAN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANY COMMENTS OR.

I JUST REMEMBER WHEN YOU PUT THAT TRAILER, IT WAS AT THE V-I-C, WASN'T IT? YES. WAS IT A GOOD RESPONSE? OH, IT WAS EXCELLENT.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME STATS THAT WE CAN EMAIL YOU.

YES, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT I KNOW WHAT THE STATS WERE, BUT IT WAS AMAZING TO SEE PEOPLE JUST WALK UP AND GO, YEAH, I CAN DONATE AND WHAT A GREAT CONCEPT, RIGHT? WE USUALLY DO THAT DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

WE HAVE THAT TRAILER ROTATE THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, REALLY, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT VENDING MACHINES.

THAT'S WONDERFUL. THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

CERTAINLY SOME SOME OF US I CERTAINLY BENEFITED FROM YOUR TEAMS AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW, MYSELF AND MY FAMILY, AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO. SO THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.

WE ARE GOING TO GO TO FIRST READING OF ORDINANCES.

[9.A.1. Ordinance 2023-22: Amends Chapter 17 of the City Code regarding voluntary certified guides and examination. (I. Lopez, City Attorney) ]

MISS LOPEZ.

YES. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS ORDINANCE 2023-22 IS SIMPLY TO BRING OUR CODE IN CONFORMITY WITH STATE LAW.

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AND SO OUR TOUR GUIDE PROCEDURES THAT HAD A TEST AND A LICENSING SORT OF FELL VICTIM TO THAT.

THE BILL HAD A SUNSET PROVISION THAT WE COULD CONTINUE ENFORCING OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE UNTIL JULY 1ST, WHICH PASSED LAST WEEK.

AND SO WHEN WE CHATTED AT OUR SPECIAL MEETING, YOU INSTRUCTED ME TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE PROGRAM VOLUNTARY.

AND SO THAT IS THIS ORDINANCE.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS? NO, BUT I HAD A SUGGESTION THAT WE PERHAPS COULD WRITE SOMETHING UP AND PUT IT ON OUR WEBSITE TO SAY HOW PROUD WE ARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO TAKE THIS TEST.

AND THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY.

WANT TO DO THAT? CORRECT.

THE THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU DOES HAVE A PROVISION WHERE WE CAN POST THE NAMES OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE PASSED SUCCESSFULLY THE EXAM AS KIND OF PUBLIC INFORMATION SO FOLKS KNOW THAT THEY ARE TRULY HIRING A CERTIFIED TOUR GUIDE.

HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE A POSITIVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A SUGGESTION.

AND IT'S A MINOR MODIFICATION, AN ADDITION IN THE WORDING.

IT'S THE SECOND WHEREAS AND IT CURRENTLY READS.

WHEREAS THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS DETERMINED THAT IT SERVES THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY TO PROMOTE EQUALITY, TOUR GUIDE EXPERIENCE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THE CITY.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THREE WORDS BE ADDED IN BETWEEN.

TOUR GUIDE EXPERIENCE TWO AND PRESERVE THE HISTORY SO THAT IT WOULD READ INSTEAD THAT IT SERVES THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO PROMOTE EQUALITY.

TOUR GUIDE EXPERIENCE TO ACCURATELY INTERPRET AND PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THE CITY.

GOOD. GOOD. GREAT ADDITIONS TO THE LANGUAGE.

ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS ARE WE RESPONDING? IS THIS BILL 1383? IS THAT DO YOU RECALL THE NUMBER ON THE BILL? I DON'T. THIS WAS A 2020.

I'M SORRY. IT WAS SESSION LAW 2020 1-2 14.

SO IT WAS BACK IN 21.

I DO NOT HAVE THE BILL NUMBER.

IT GOT CODIFIED UNDER 163 .211.

IT'S IN YOUR THIRD WHEREAS CLAUSE.

I DID READ THAT, BUT IT DIDN'T HELP ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REFERENCE THE BILL NUMBER.

WHAT THE REASON I ASK THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

I TRACKED IT TO BILL 1383, BUT THAT WAS IN THIS SESSION THIS YEAR.

MY QUESTION, THE REASON I WAS INTERESTED IS BECAUSE I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBLE WAY WE COULD PUT IT ON OUR LEGISLATIVE REQUESTS UPCOMING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A CARVE OUT FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE FOR THE SPECIAL PURPOSES OF TESTING, SINCE IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO OUR INTEGRITY.

HISTORIC, TO MAINTAIN OUR HISTORIC INTEGRITY AND AUTHENTICITY.

AND THIS IS THE CORE VALUE OF THE CITY.

SO I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO TRY TO SAVE IT, SO TO SPEAK.

I CERTAINLY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD ANY FEEDBACK, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE HAD FEEDBACK.

AND THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DISAPPOINTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS THIS IS HAPPENING.

AND JUST KNOW TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NO, WE'RE NOT HORRIBLE PEOPLE THAT DON'T CARE ANYMORE ABOUT AUTHENTICITY. WE ARE SIMPLY PREEMPTED FROM BEING ABLE TO REGULATE THESE LICENSES.

SO I THINK IT'S WORTH A TRY.

I WILL CERTAINLY LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF YOUR SUPPORTING OF THAT.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO A RESOLUTION.

BUT THIS IS A FIRST READING.

AND IF COMMISSIONERS AGREE, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO SO MOVED TO APPROVE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2023-22 READ BY TITLE ONLY AND AS MODIFIED AS SUGGESTED AND AS MODIFIED.

THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL RIGHT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-22, AN ORDINANCE OF THE COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 17, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 17-121 OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, PROVIDING THE DEFINITION OF VOLUNTARY CERTIFIED GUIDE AMENDING SECTION 17-122 EXAMINATION RULES GOVERNING CREATING SECTION 17-123 ESTABLISHING THE VOLUNTARY CERTIFIED GUIDE AND

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MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[9.A.2. Ordinance 2023-23: Vacates a portion of Depot Street between 194 West King Street (PID 1111900000), 198 West King Street (PID 1112000000) and 35 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard (PID 1111300000). (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]

MISS SKINNER.

WELCOME. YES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THIS ITEM IS ORDINANCE 2023-23, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE PROPOSING TO VACATE DEPOT STREET NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF US ONE OR PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND WEST KING STREET.

THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AS A PETITION TO REQUEST THE STREET VACATION AT THE JUNE 26TH CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

DEPOT STREET IS A REMNANT RIGHT OF WAY SURROUNDED BY PROPERTY ASSOCIATED WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BROWDY PROJECT AT WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS 194, 198 AND 198 WEST KING STREET AND 35 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD.

THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I BELIEVE MR. BROWDY IS HERE AS WELL AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE A MAP IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS IS THE CORNER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OF US ONE AND WEST KING STREET, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS THE LITTLE SECTION OF DEPOT STREET THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO VACATE.

QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

MOTIONS. A VERY QUICK COMMENT IS THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY DOES NOT MAINTAIN THAT STREET.

AND AM I RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.

YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT.

IT WENT THROUGH A FRIDAY REVIEW.

THERE ARE SOME UTILITIES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THAT WILL ALL BE THAT'S RECOGNIZED AND ACKNOWLEDGED.

AND WE ARE PLANNING ON SORTING THAT OUT WITH AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD.

GREAT. IT'S IN DISREPAIR AND IT'S NOT REALLY VERY ACCESSIBLE ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.

THANK YOU. I WOULD MOTION TO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-23 AND READ BY TITLE ONLY.

I'LL SECOND IT WITH THE SECOND.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-23.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA VACATING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT CERTAIN PORTION OF DEPOT STREET LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ORDINANCE 20 23-24.

[9.A.3. Ordinance 2023-24: Amends the Land Development portion of the zoning Code to add definitions and update the Historic Preservation Section and clarify the code related to partial demolitions. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]

YES, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

THE CITY.

THIS ORDINANCE IS 2023-24, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE THAT PROPOSES UPDATES AND CLARIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SECTIONS OF THE ZONING CODE, ADDS SEVERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION RELATED DEFINITIONS TO THE DEFINITIONS SECTION OF THE CODE AND ATTEMPTS TO CLARIFY APPLICABILITY AND THRESHOLDS FOR WHAT IS CONSIDERED PARTIAL DEMOLITION FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, STAFF AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED FOR BY THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD.

THIS INCLUDES ADOPTING AN ADDENDUM TO THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH OUTLINES THE CRITERIA FOR PARTIAL DEMOLITION REVIEW . OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THIS DOES CHANGE THE REFERENCE POINT FOR WORK CONSIDERED A PARTIAL DEMOLITION FROM ALL BUILDINGS 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, OF WHICH THE CITY HAS SEVEN.

THE 50 YEAR OLD OR OLDER RULE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE STILL APPLIES TO FULL DEMOLITION OF ANY STRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THE CITY. THE CITY'S CITIZEN BOARDS, INCLUDING HARB AND PZB, HAVE DISCUSSED THESE ITEMS AT LENGTH.

THE PZB MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED CODE LANGUAGE AND ADDENDUM AT THEIR SPECIAL MEETING ON JUNE 27TH.

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THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION IN FIRST READING.

I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

JULIE COURTNEY OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS ALSO OFFICER IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO.

DIG IN. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

WELL, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A HOT ISSUE WITH SOME PEOPLE IN FULLERWOOD, WHERE I PARTICULARLY LIVE, AND I'M REALLY GLAD FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, TO ELIMINATE JUST A RANDOM 50 YEARS THAT WE HAVE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE HOUSES ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THEY ACTUALLY COULD BE NOTIFIED THAT YOU ARE IN YOU ARE LIVING IN A HOME THAT IS CONSIDERED A DESIGNATED PROBABLY A NICE THING TO DO, BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. I AM ALSO.

SO WE COULD EASILY COME UP WITH THE LINCOLNVILLE STRUCTURES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO KIND OF SEE THAT ON A MAP.

I THINK MAYBE ALSO FOR FULLERWOOD OF SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, THE WHOLE CITY REALLY.

AND AND ALSO TO NOTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT THEY THEY HAVE A VALUABLE HOUSE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND I SUPPORT IT.

OKAY, GREAT.

I'M SO HAPPY TO HEAR.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

I HEARD THAT THE HOUSES OVER IN ROLLINS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE HISTORIC BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT IN 1955.

IS THAT CORRECT INFORMATION? THEY ARE BLOCK AND BRICK.

WHAT THOSE I MEAN WE TALK ABOUT HISTORIC IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

THERE'S THE AGE OF THE BUILDING, SO DEFINITELY THE AGE 50 YEARS OR OLDER IS CONSIDERED HISTORICAL.

BUT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT HISTORIC DESIGNATION, IT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED IN SOME WAY TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES INDIVIDUALLY OR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DISTRICT.

OR WE CAN DO IT LOCALLY AS WELL.

SO THOSE BUILDINGS, THEY'VE BEEN SURVEYED, LIKE IN WEST AUGUSTINE, ON DAVIS SHORES, THOSE TWO AREAS DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE 50 YEARS OR OLDER, BUT THEY HAVE NOT CHOSEN TO HAVE THAT FURTHER STEP OF DESIGNATION.

AND IF THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.

IT ONLY COUNTS IF THERE'S A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.

THERE ISN'T FOR WEST AUGUSTINE RIGHT NOW OR THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

DAVID SHORE SAID THEY WANTED TO BECOME A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT FOR ARCHITECTURE, FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

THEN THOSE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WOULD BE UNDER THIS.

THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S HOW IT IS WRITTEN CURRENTLY.

OKAY. BUT THEY'RE NOT NOW.

RIGHT. I MEAN, THEY THEY'RE THEY'RE UNDER THE 50 YEAR RULE, WHICH WE'RE REMOVING.

RIGHT. I MEAN, PEOPLE APPROACH IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE 50 YEARS OR OLDER LIKE WE DO FOR FULL DEMOLITION.

YOU COULD LOOK AT ONLY CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.

YOU COULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS LIKE WE HAVE IN WEST AUGUSTINE AND DAVIS SHORES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT DIFFERENT CITIES APPROACH IT, BUT IT HAS THE PZB KIND OF CHOSE TO TRY TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT FOR PARTIAL DEMOLITION, THAT HOW MANY BUILDINGS TO HOW MANY BUILDINGS.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 4000, OVER 4000 BUILDINGS THAT ARE OVER 50 YEARS AND ARE CONSIDERED HISTORIC.

UM, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 1659, 1,659 THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT OR ARE WITHIN THE OLDER BUILDINGS WITHIN OUR LOCAL HP ZONES.

THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY.

SO I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

SO ON PAGE TEN OF THE ORDINANCE, ITEM ONE.

THEY YOU HAVE ON UNTIED, LET'S SEE, ITEM ONE.

SENTENCE NUMBER THREE, YOU'RE STRIKING INTERIOR, VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD DO SUCH A THING.

CURRENTLY THE ARCHITECTURAL FORGOT HISTORIC PRESERVATION GUIDELINES DO NOT DO NOT REGULATE INTERIORS UNLESS SOMEONE IS APPLYING FOR

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OKAY, SO INTERIOR VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE IS NOT REGULATING THE INTERIOR, IS IT? IS THAT THE IS THAT THE JUDGMENT? YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REGULATE THE INTERIORS OF STRUCTURES UNLESS THEY'RE APPLYING FOR THAT TAX EXEMPTION, INCLUDING THE INTERIOR VISIBLE.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY REGULATING THE INTERIOR, IT'S JUST REGULATING HOW IT APPEARS FROM THE OUTSIDE.

OKAY. RIGHT.

THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT CURRENTLY THE PZB CHOSE TO HAVE NO PURVIEW OVER THE INTERIOR FOR THIS DEMOLITION AND PARTIAL DEMOLITION REVIEW.

BUT AS CITY COMMISSIONERS, YOU OF COURSE, HAVE THE ULTIMATE SAY.

SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED, THAT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW.

WELL, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT STANDARD WOULD BE APPLIED THERE TO HOW YOU WOULD WHAT STANDARDS YOU WOULD USE. I UNDERSTAND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR HAS INTERIOR STANDARDS NOW THAT ARE MORE FLEXIBLE AND MORE WORKABLE, I SUPPOSE, OR USABLE.

SO I WONDER WHY WOULD WE REMOVE THAT? WAS IT A THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OR WAS JUST CLEANING HOUSE OR WAS IT A DEBATED.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS CONSIDERED MORE HOUSEKEEPING BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT.

YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE INTERIORS, AGAIN, EXCEPT FOR CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR THE TAX EXEMPTION.

IF THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS HAS ADDED SOME STANDARDS THAT INCLUDE INTERIORS, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF THE UPDATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH WE ARE CURRENTLY ALSO WORKING ON.

WE FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE IN CONFLICT WITH THIS LANGUAGE, THEN WE CAN ALSO COME BACK AND RELOOK AT THIS LANGUAGE AS WE WORK THROUGH THE UPDATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES.

WELL, AT A TIME WHEN WE'VE THESE ITEMS ARE SO HARD FOUGHT FOR AND WON, I HATE TO REMOVE IT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE TO DO LIST TO COME BACK.

AND HOW DO WE I DON'T THINK IT'S CONTROVERSIAL.

I THINK IT'S WE CAN LEAVE THE LANGUAGE IN CERTAINLY IF THE CITY COMMISSION PREFERS US JUST TO LEAVE THE LANGUAGE IN IT IS EXISTING LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

THANK YOU. AND I WOULD ACTUALLY ARGUE FOR THAT.

OKAY. ALSO, GOING BACK TO YOUR ACTUAL YOUR CALL, THESE ELEMENTS, YOUR CRITICAL ELEMENTS, I DON'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO UM THE SHEET THAT TALKS ABOUT THE MID-CENTURY.

OH, I DO HAVE A PAGE NUMBER.

I'M SORRY. MY THUMB WAS COVERING IT.

PAGE 18 ON THE BOTTOM, YOU HAVE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES FOR ONE STORY MID-CENTURY RANCHY LOOKING BUILDINGS.

I WOULD ADD IN YOUR LIST OF THOSE FEATURES THAT ARE CHARACTER DEFINING, CORNER WINDOWS.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

AND IN FACT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE IN THE PICTURE OF CORNER WINDOWS.

AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FEATURE THAT SHOULD BE, IF AT ALL, COULD BE KEPT AMONG THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.

THAT'S AN OPINION. I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I DO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT IS PRETTY SPECIAL WHEN YOU SEE THOSE OLD CORNER WINDOWS.

THEY DON'T MAKE HOUSES LIKE THAT ANYMORE.

AND THEN MY FINAL COMMENT WOULD BE I DID WATCH THE MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, THIS LAST ONE, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND WATCH ALL OF THE MEETINGS.

THERE WERE MANY, MANY MEETINGS BETWEEN HARM AND THEN PLANNING AND ZONING, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE PUT INTO GETTING IT TO THIS STATE, AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE A VERY GOOD COMPROMISE AMONG THE BOARDS.

AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN A PURIST, NOT A PURIST PURIST, YOU KNOW, ALL MY LIFE AND THEN HAVING HAD TO GO THROUGH HURRICANE MATTHEW AND HAVE MY HOUSE TORN DOWN, WHICH WAS 50 YEARS OLD AND OLDER AND GOING THROUGH HARB, IT CERTAINLY DID WAKE ME UP TO REALITY IN SO MANY WAYS AND CREATE A SENSITIVITY IN ME TO TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE STRUCK BY THESE FLOODING EVENTS AND WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PART OF YOUR ORDINANCE HERE, JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR ORDINANCE.

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BUT I DO HAVE A HEARTBURN ABOUT NOT HAVING MATERIALS.

AND I WATCHED THE MATERIALS DISCUSSION.

AND WE WHAT'S NOT HERE IS IN WHAT'S NOT IN HERE IS REGULATION OF WHAT REPLACEMENT MATERIALS AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT AS AN ARCHITECT YOU UNDERSTAND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE ON MATERIALS.

IT CAN BE. I THINK THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL WAS A WAS BROUGHT UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW MATERIALS ACTUALLY CHANGE. NEWER MATERIALS ACTUALLY CHANGE THE APPEARANCE DRASTICALLY ON WHAT WOULD BE A REPRESENTATION OF A HISTORIC ERA. OKAY.

SO I HAPPEN TO AGREE THAT MATERIALS SHOULD BE IN THE MIX, BUT TO SOME DEGREE.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS YOU'RE THE EXPERT.

WHAT COULD BE DONE? WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST THE PATH FORWARD ON GETTING MATERIALS OR AT SOME LEVEL, MAYBE SOME MATERIALS, NOT ALL.

WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD? NOT NECESSARILY AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE, EVEN MAYBE AS A SUBSEQUENT ONE OR A LIST OF TO DO THINGS OR NEXT PROJECTS? WHAT I'M LOOKING AT YOUR EXPERTISE.

WELL, THAT IS A DIFFICULT THING AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AS A COMMUNITY, HOW FAR WE WANT OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS TO BE TAKEN, IN WHICH DIRECTION, BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE A BIG IMPACT OVER TIME IF ALL THE HISTORIC MATERIALS ARE REPLACED.

EVEN IF THE NEWER MATERIALS HAVE KIND OF THAT SAME LOOK, BECAUSE WE DO REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF AGING, THEY USUALLY HAVE DIFFERENT PROFILES AND DIFFERENT TEXTURES AND SHEENS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

IT WAS KIND OF THE COMPROMISE THAT WE HAD TO WE FELT LIKE WE HAD TO MAKE TO HAVE PCSB ACCEPT THIS PARTIAL DEMOLITION ORDINANCE PROPOSAL.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT CLOSELY AGAIN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO, WE CAN LOOK AT, AS YOU SAID, IT MIGHT NOT BE ALL MATERIALS AND I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO AT LEAST COVER THAT.

IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL USED THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY STRICT ABOUT THE KNOW.

FOR EXAMPLE, SIDING HARDY HARDIE SIDING CAN BE VERY FLAT.

IT CAN HAVE THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN.

SO WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE CORRECT PROFILE, THE CORRECT HEIGHT, THE CORRECT TEXTURE.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO KIND OF INCLUDE THOSE LITTLE NUANCES WITHIN OUR PARTIAL DEMOLITION PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW SO THAT WE COULD AT LEAST HAVE THAT COVERED WITHOUT HAVING THE THE EXACT MATERIAL USED.

WE ARE UPDATING OUR OUR ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AS SKINNER NOTED, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT FURTHER WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, ROUND OF PROPOSED LANGUAGE, BUT IT WOULD POSSIBLY BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE THIS ORDINANCE PASSED AND THEN TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO LIKE BE STRICTER ON MATERIALS NOW.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OF HOW HOW WE WANT TO TIME THIS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE PARTICULAR MATERIALS THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT? SOME THINGS ARE EVOLVING OVER TIME.

WE HAVE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HEADQUARTERS ON CASTILLO AVENUE.

YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ALWAYS POINTED TO BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FAUX WOOD SHAKE SHINGLE ROOF, AND THEY'RE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, WHICH KIND OF ADMINISTERS HISTORIC PRESERVATION NATIONALLY.

THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION DOES ALLOW FOR COMPATIBLE SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS IF THEY HAVE THE SAME LOOK, TEXTURE, FEEL, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO THAT IS BEING USED WITHIN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WORLD TODAY.

BUT I THINK OVER TIME WE WILL SEE A VERY BIG CHANGE VISUALLY TO OUR BUILDINGS IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT MATERIALS.

CORRECT. COULD I WEIGH IN ON THIS A BIT? OH, PLEASE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EFFORT TO TO REPLACE THE I MEAN, TO TO STAY IN TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS LIVING IN 107 YEAR OLD HOUSE.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WINDOWS WHICH DON'T WORK IN OUR HOUSE.

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IT JUST MAKES IT A VERY JUST THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE, BUT THAT'S REALLY MAKES IT A SPECIAL BUILDING.

OH, YOU'RE HERE.

I WILL TAKE NOT AN OPPOSITE, BUT A CAUTIOUS STANDING.

WE JUST REPLACED ALL OF OUR WINDOWS.

IT'S NOT A VERY OLD HOUSE, BUT WE MADE THEM HURRICANE PROOF.

MY HOUSE INSURANCE GOT CUT IN HALF.

SO THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS FOR HOMEOWNERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO RESTRICT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO UPGRADE THEIR HOUSE THEY LIVE IN TO SOME GOOD STANDARDS.

ALSO, I'VE RESTORED TWO HOMES, ONE IN FULLERWOOD AND ONE IN WEST AUGUSTINE, FINDING THE SAME MATERIAL FOR SIDING, FOR INSTANCE.

IT'S ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE SOME OF THAT WOOD IS 200 YEARS OLD.

THERE IS NO WOOD AVAILABLE THAT'S 200 YEARS OLD TO USE FOR SIDING.

AND A LOT OF IT'S NOT EVEN MILLED THE SAME WAY.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT FOR REPLACEMENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT ON HOMEOWNERS WHEN THEIR WINDOWS ARE LEAKING, WHEN THE HURRICANES ARE COMING AND THEY CAN'T REPLACE THEIR WINDOWS WITHOUT UPGRADING.

SO THE KIND OF WORDING WE DO FOR THIS IS CRITICAL BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO LIMIT SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEIR OWN HOME BECAUSE THERE'S A RULE YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME MATERIALS AND WOOD WINDOWS ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

THE WOOD PROBABLY IN YOUR HOME IS 300 YEARS OLD BECAUSE IT'S OLD GROWTH.

YOU'LL NEVER FIND WINDOWS THE SAME.

AND SOME OF THEM CAN BE RESTORED AT GREAT EXPENSE.

BUT TO MAKE A WINDOW 100 AND SOMETHING YEARS OLD, HURRICANE PROOF IS PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT HE SAID.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A LOT OF THE MATERIALS FOR OUR HOUSES THAT ARE WELL OVER 100 YEARS OLD, AND THEREFORE, IT'S GOING TO LEAVE THE HOMEOWNER VULNERABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S HISTORIC AND TRYING TO GET THE SAME MATERIALS.

SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF BALANCE ON IF THE MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE VERSUS MAKING THEM, YOU KNOW, TURN INTO AN EXPENSE AND THEY CAN'T REPAIR THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY'RE RESTRICTED.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIND SOME KIND OF BALANCE TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOMEOWNER TO UPGRADE THE HOUSE.

IF THEY GET STRUCK BY A HURRICANE, THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BE LIVABLE IN THAT HOUSE VERSUS IT BEING DEMOLISHED BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND THE MATERIALS TO UPGRADE THEIR HOMES.

THANK YOU. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS MADE ME WONDER MAYBE ANOTHER QUESTION WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN THE STRICTEST ADHERENCE TO MATERIALS? OR IS THERE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THAT, AS COMMISSIONER GARRIS SAID, COULD STRIKE A MORE OF A BALANCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, OLD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE 100 YEARS OLD AND SOME NEW MATERIALS? COULD WE CAN YOU CREATE A GUIDE, SO TO SPEAK, OR A LIST OF MATERIALS? MAYBE THERE'S CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO REGULATE.

MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO REGULATE WINDOWS MAYBE, OR SIDING OR WHAT KIND WHAT CAN YOU BRING FORWARD THAT COULD GIVE US.

A LITTLE BIT MORE SURETY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THE CHARACTER OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS THROUGH MATERIALS.

I THINK CLADDING, CLADDING, WINDOWS ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S CLAD WINDOWS NOW THAT WOULD BE WHITE, WHICH WE WE KNOW FITS WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.

BUT THERE THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE COULD GET AHOLD OF AND LIKE CITE THOSE AS AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE CONTRACTORS AND THE OWNERS TO KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

SO AND TAKE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH SITING AND EVERYTHING.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

YOU PROBABLY NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY BUSY.

BOTH OF YOU GUYS WERE THERE, BUT BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT.

BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE SOME PRODUCTS THAT HAVE VERY SIMILAR FEATURES.

I MEAN, THE ALCAZAR HOTEL HAS THE ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS AND THAT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROVED FOR A HISTORIC TAX CREDIT PROJECT PROJECT. UM, THERE'S A THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT I COULD SAY.

I MEAN, YOUR HISTORIC WOOD WINDOW WILL PROBABLY LAST A LOT LONGER THAN A REPLACEMENT WINDOW IF YOU'RE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY LASTED OVER 100 YEARS AND

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BUT WE DID HOST A WINDOW WORKSHOP.

THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE THAT.

BUT TO DO A WINDOW REPLACEMENT FOR A WINDOW THAT WE KNOW WILL ONLY LAST 15 TO 20 YEARS IN FLORIDA IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST, BEST INVESTMENT.

IF WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT OUR DOLLARS AND WHAT WE WANT OUR HOMEOWNERS TO SPEND THE MONEY ON, WE DEFINITELY WANT THEM TO BE PROTECTED.

AND THE HURRICANES, UM, THE HURRICANE SCREENING THAT CAN BE USED AND PURCHASED AND ORDERED TO GO OVER THE WINDOWS IS KIND OF A MESH FABRIC SCREENING THAT IS DEFINITELY DETERMINED, VERY COMPARABLE TO AN IMPACT RESISTANT WINDOW.

UH, VERY FEW PLACES IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE REQUIRE IMPACT RESISTANT WINDOWS BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE COASTLINE.

AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, OH, I LIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, I HAVE TO HAVE THESE NEWER WINDOWS THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY REQUIRED BY BUILDING CODE. IF THEY WANT THAT EXTRA PROTECTION, WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE FEASIBLE ECONOMICALLY TO INVEST IN THE SCREENS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT AN IMPACT WINDOW IS VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND WE'VE HAD AN ANALYSIS DONE BY THE PERSON HOSTING OUR WORKSHOP OR CONDUCTING OUR WORKSHOP FOR SOME REPLACEMENT WINDOWS THAT COULD TAKE 80 YEARS TO GET YOUR COST, YOUR RETURN ON ON THE BEST SORRY, INVESTMENT.

SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE SPENT THAT PEOPLE THINK, OH, I'M GOING TO REALLY PROTECT MY HOUSE.

AND THEN 15 TO 20 YEARS LATER, THOSE TYPES OF WINDOWS WILL FAIL BECAUSE OF HOW THEY ARE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE DOUBLE PANE GLASS.

SO. THERE'S THINGS THAT SOME HISTORIC DISTRICTS ONLY LOOK AT THE FRONT FACADE.

SO WE COULD BE MORE LENIENT ON ALL THE OTHER SIDES OF THE BUILDING IF IT DOESN'T FACE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT IN THE CORNER.

AND WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THE EXTRA RESEARCH AND TRY TO REALLY DO SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL AVAILABLE.

THOSE ARE BOTH REALLY GOOD SUGGESTIONS.

THAT FRONT FACADE ONE PARTICULARLY.

YES. YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT PLANNING AND ZONING VERY QUICKLY, THOUGH.

BUT I MEAN, JUST THIS IS SUCH A MEATY SUBJECT.

IT IS. I APPRECIATE I LOVE ALL OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

SO WHAT I MEANT, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT CAN WE DO HERE? SHOULD WE TABLE THIS AND GIVE THEM TIME TO DEVELOP SOME CONCEPTS FOR US AND BRING THEM INTO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE SECOND READING THE CURRENT VERSION YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU? YEAH, VERY EXPLICITLY EXCLUDES MATERIAL TYPES THAT THERE WAS EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AT PCB ON THIS ISSUE OVER MULTIPLE MEETINGS.

SO IF YOUR CURRENT DIRECTION, IF THERE IS CONSENSUS, I KNOW THERE'S.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A32 SPLIT, AS BEST I CAN TELL.

I THINK I'VE GOT THREE FOLKS WHO WANT SOME DEGREE OF REVIEW OF MATERIALS AND TWO FOLKS WHO DO NOT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW.

SO IF THE MAJORITY THREE DIRECTION BACK TO STAFF IS RE INSERT MATERIAL TYPE IN THE TEXT AND THEN COME UP WITH PERHAPS AN ADDENDUM WITH EXAMPLES TO FACILITATE EXPLAINING THAT TO TO OUR CITIZENS, THEN WE CAN GO FORWARD. BUT IT WILL REQUIRE A CHANGE IN THE EXISTING LANGUAGE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST YOU CAN TURN THAT AROUND.

I'M GUESSING YOU WILL NOT BE READY TO PUT THIS FOR SECOND READING AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

WILD GUESS HERE.

YEAH, WILD GUESS.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE ATTORNEY? DOES THAT MEAN IT HAS TO GO BACK TO PZB INTO HARB AGAIN? IT DOES NOT.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO WANT THEIR FEEDBACK AGAIN, BASED ON THIS CHANGE, YOU CERTAINLY CAN INSTRUCT US TO DO SO.

BUT PZBS TASK UNDER STATUTE IS TO GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION.

YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

YEAH. SO AND I THINK WE CERTAINLY HAVE GOTTEN AS MUCH AS WE CAN OUT OF THEM AFTER WATCHING THE HEARINGS.

AND IF YOU DID RECEIVE THE WHOLE PACKAGE THAT THEY RECEIVED AND THERE'S I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS, THERE'S A TIMELINE AND YOU CAN SHOW IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

IT'S A VERY EXTENSIVE, STARTING BACK IN JANUARY OF 2020

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SO IT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED.

I WOULD LIKE TO YEAH.

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, SURE.

NO, IT'S A QUESTION BECAUSE I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HISTORIC OR SOMETHING.

TAX CREDIT.

YEAH, I AM NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

IS THAT A TOOL THAT COULD BE EXPANDED UPON IN ORDER TO ASSIST WITH, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THE MATERIALS? I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

WELL, WE AS THE CITY OFFER THE AD VALOREM HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX EXEMPTION.

THAT'S ONE TOOL THAT IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS.

AND THAT'S ONE REASON WE DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THEIR CONTRIBUTING STATUS BY HAVING THEM ALTERED SO MUCH THAT THEY LOSE THAT DESIGNATION.

THERE IS THE NATIONAL OR FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX CREDIT THAT'S AVAILABLE TO INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, MUCH TO OUR DISMAY, THERE'S A LOT OF SHORT TERM RENTAL TYPE BUILDINGS IN OUR NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS.

THEY WOULD BECAUSE THEY'RE INCOME PRODUCING, THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE OR BUSINESSES THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR A DOCTOR'S OFFICE THAT ARE HOUSED WITHIN A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT'S CONTRIBUTING.

THEY COULD GO AFTER THOSE TAX CREDITS.

THE STATE HAS RECENTLY WITH THIS MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY DID PASS A STATEWIDE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX CREDIT. AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO START LEARNING MORE ABOUT THAT.

BUT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THOUGH, WILL REQUIRE THAT THE WORK DONE TO THE BUILDING IS APPROPRIATE.

SO THEY WILL LOOK AT THE REPLACEMENT MATERIALS AND THEY WILL LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE NEW ADDITIONS OR DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S PROPOSED.

SO THAT IS WHY WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE WE MADE THE COMPROMISE WITH PZB THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO HINGE THIS WHOLE PARTIAL DEMOLITION ORDINANCE GOING FORWARD FOR MATERIALS BECAUSE WE FELT STRONGLY THAT WE NEED THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTED, BUT WE WANT TO JUST MAKE BUILDING OWNERS AWARE THAT IT WILL HAVE THAT IMPACT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH.

WHAT WOULD WE DO? WE WILL PASS IT.

YOU CAN PASS IT ON. FIRST READING.

I DON'T THINK THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE SHORT TITLE.

YES. I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE SHORT TITLE.

AND THEN INSTRUCT YOUR PLANNING STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE CHANGES REGARDING CERTAIN MATERIALS.

RIGHT. OR OPTIONS AS DISCUSSED.

WHAT WILL LOOK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD? WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE THE LIGHTEST TOUCH, THE LEAST IMPACTFUL TOUCH, BUT TO THE MOST EFFECTIVE HAHA. HOW'S THAT FOR A PERFECT STORM? I SECOND THAT. YEAH I SECOND THAT.

THERE WE GO. YEAH. THE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

I WILL READ THE SHORT TITLE.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-24.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF SAINT OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

AMENDING CHAPTER 28, SECTION 28-2, ADDING DEFINITIONS RELATED TO ARCHITECTURAL TERMS, DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION.

AMENDING CHAPTER 23, SECTION 28-87, CLARIFYING THE CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK AND PROVIDING FOR REVIEW OF PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMITS.

SECTION 28-88 CLARIFYING PROCEDURES AND APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

SECTION 28-89.

REVISING AND CLARIFYING CRITERIA FOR THE REVIEW OF CERTIFICATE OF OPINION OF APPROPRIATENESS, RELOCATION OR DEMOLITION.

SECTION 28-90, ADDING REFERENCE TO PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND CLARIFYING DEPARTMENT REFERENCES.

SECTION 28- 91, ADDING REFERENCE TO HISTORIC LANDMARK OR LOCAL LANDMARK AND RELOCATION, DEMOLITION OR PARTIAL DEMOLITION.

SECTION 28-92, ADDING REFERENCE TO PARTIAL DEMOLITION.

ADOPTING EXHIBIT A AS AN ADDENDUM TO THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AGHP, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

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ALL RIGHT, THEN.

VERY WELL. WE'LL SEE YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I HOPE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO RESOLUTIONS.

[9.B.1. Resolution 2023-20: Sets proposed millage rate and schedules a public hearing for September 14, 2023 at 5:05pm. (M. Simpson, Director Finance) ]

MR. SIMPSON, WELCOME BACK.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MARK SIMPSON, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

AS DISCUSSED AT OUR 3 P.M.

BUDGET MEETING ON REVENUES TONIGHT, WE HAVE RESOLUTION 2023-20, WHICH SETS THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE AT 7.5 MILLS, WHICH, AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, CAN BE LOWERED THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS BUT NOT RAISED.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED OUR ROLLBACK TO BE 6.5483 MILLS AND THAT THIS RATE REPRESENTS A 14.53% INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE.

THIS IS PRELIMINARY IN NATURE.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THERE IT IS. SO THE DEAL IS WE CAN APPROVE THIS.

WE CAN COME BACK TO IT AND LOWER IT, BUT WE CANNOT RAISE IT ANY HIGHER.

EXACTLY RIGHT. YES, MA'AM.

SETS IT. OKAY.

AND THEN IT ALSO SETS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH AT 5:05 P.M., WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF TRIM OR TRUTH IN MILLAGE, THAT WE DO THAT TRUTH AND MILLAGE. I LIKE THAT.

ALL RIGHT. I MOVE THAT WE PASS RESOLUTION 2023-20.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM STAFF SECOND.

OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. WONDERFUL, PASSES.

RESOLUTION 2023-21.

[9.B.2. Resolution 2023-21: Authorizes the execution of the annual amendment of the traffic signal maintenance and compensation agreement between the State of Florida Department of Transportation and the City. (T. Grant, Director Public Works) ]

UM. MR. GRANT. WELCOME AND CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS TODD GRANT WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

BEFORE YOU IS A ROUTINE MATTER.

RESOLUTION 2023-21.

IT IS BASICALLY EXECUTING OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

THEY DID INCREASE THE RATES BY ABOUT 6.5%.

SO THE TOTAL FOR THIS IS ABOUT $139,000.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN THEM.

QUESTIONS. COMMENTS.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023-21.

A SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

WE GOT TWO SECONDS. COMMISSIONER BLONDER GAVE US A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. AYE.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. STAFF REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE? I GUESS NOT.

ITEMS BY CITY ATTORNEY.

NOTHING. OKAY.

ITEMS BY CITY CLERK.

WOW. OKAY.

ITEMS BY CITY MANAGER.

[13. ITEMS BY CITY MANAGER ]

AND THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE OFFICIAL CEREMONY WILL BE A WEEK FROM FRIDAY.

AND THE CITIZEN SURVEY THAT WE THAT YOU HAD APPROVED RECENTLY WILL BE GOING OUT ON WEDNESDAY.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ITEMS BY I'M SORRY, DID I MOVE ON TOO QUICKLY?

[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS ]

THE SOFT OPENING.

IT'S JUST GOING TO START IN THE MIDDLE IN THE MORNING WHEN IT'S READY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY SCHEDULED RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE SOFT OPENING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'S EXCITING.

YEAH, GLAD TO HAVE THAT THING GOING.

ALL RIGHT. UM, WELL, START WITH COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

THANK YOU. I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT STREET NAMING AND SOME CONTROVERSY.

I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DESIGN SOME CRITERIA FOR A FUTURE NAMING OF STREETS BEFORE WE GO ABOUT NAMING STREETS.

JUST. JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT.

THE SECOND THING IS I'D LIKE FOR US TO INVESTIGATE DOING A DRONE SHOW INSTEAD OF ALL FIREWORKS.

I'VE BEEN WATCHING SOME OF THE DRONE SHOWS OVER THE INTERNET AND THEY ARE FANTASTIC AND THEY'RE QUIET EXCEPT FOR THE BUZZING.

THEY HAVE DRONES WITH LED LIGHTS AND THEY DO DRAGONS.

AND YEAH, WE CAN HAVE PONDS LANDING RIGHT DOWN THE BAY AND IT'S VERY COOL AND IT'S QUIET.

IT'S DIFFERENT. UM, AND THERE'S NO LITTER AND THERE'S NO LITTER.

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I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE SOME LOOK AT MAKING SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS FLASHING ONLY IN THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING. I TRAVEL BETWEEN THE GYM AND MY HOUSE EARLY IN THE MORNING AND THE OTHER DAY THEY WERE ON, THEY WERE FLASHING AND I THOUGHT, OH, THAT'S VERY COOL BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ACIDIC.

CASTILLO AND RED LIGHT AND JUST WAIT FOR IT EVEN THOUGH NOBODY ELSE IS AROUND.

SO I HAVE MENTIONED THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IT TO YOU ALL.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US IN THE BUDGET PROCESS SOMEWHERE TO START TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AN ART FUND.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE THE SCULPTURE AT MAIN STREET AND IT CAN GET EXPENSIVE.

AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PREPARE FOR ANYTHING.

WE DO LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE BY CREATING SOME KIND OF A FUND, MAYBE SIPHONING OFF A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY OFF OF THE PARKING GARAGE SO THAT OUR TOURISTS PAY FOR IT AND NOT OUR AD VALOREM TAX.

UM, ALSO, THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THE FREEDOM TRAIL IN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I'VE BEEN DOWN IN LINCOLNVILLE WALKING AND SOME OF THOSE SIGNS ARE IN VERY, VERY POOR CONDITION AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT CITY SIGNS THERE, BUT I THINK WE COULD FIND A WAY TO ENCOURAGE SOME OF THOSE SIGNS TO BE. YOU CAN'T READ MOST OF THEM.

THEY'RE OLD AND THEY'VE THEY'VE GONE AWAY.

UM. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE LINCOLNVILLE GUIDELINES AND SOME MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SETTING UP SOME GUIDELINES FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL RESTRICTIONS IN LINCOLNVILLE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT? I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS.

YES. YOU WILL BE SEEING THE LINCOLNVILLE GUIDELINES AT THE JULY 24TH CRA AGENCY MEETING.

YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT SHORTLY.

ALL RIGHT. IT'LL GO TO THE OUR AGENCY MEETING.

SO? SO, YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO, COMMISSIONER BLONDER.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT I'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE I WON'T BE AT THE JULY 24TH MEETING.

I WILL BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON A WORK TRIP.

BUT SEVERAL THINGS SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT STAFF GO AHEAD AND EXPEDITE THE FULLER WOOD DRAINAGE STUDY INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS TO FINISH ITSELF OUT BY TRANSFERRING $50,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO RESERVES.

SO THAT'S A REQUEST I'D LIKE TO MAKE IF THAT'S AMENABLE TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PROCEDURALLY DO THIS.

YOU WANT TO TAKE FROM THE RESERVE FUNDS $50,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO RESERVES, MOVING IT OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES.

YES, WE'D BE TRANSFERRING GENERAL FUND RESERVES.

GENERAL FUND RESERVES TO AND INTO THE BUDGET NOW TO PAY FOR THE FULLERWOOD DRAINAGE STUDY RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF MONEY IN RESERVE TO DO THAT, IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

SO IT'S IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR? NO, NO, THIS IS JUST A $50,000 STUDY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STUDY.

WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? STUDIES THE POST TO FALL.

WHERE DID WE PLAN TO HAVE IT FALL? WHEN COMMISSIONER BLONDER BROUGHT THIS UP PREVIOUSLY, SHE REQUESTED THAT THIS STUDY BE CREATED AND THAT MONEY COME OUT OF THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

NOW SHE'S SAYING SHE'D LIKE TO PULL THAT MONEY OUT OF RESERVES AND START THE PROCESS NOW.

THAT'S ALL.

OKAY. THAT'S UNUSUAL.

I HAVEN'T EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE, BUT I'M NOT AGAINST IT.

I JUST HAVE NEVER SEEN US DO THAT WELL.

WELL, CERTAINLY NOT A POLICY.

IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE IF YOU WANT TO PULL MONEY OUT OF RESERVES AND GET THE STUDY STARTED NOW.

WHETHER YOU WANT TO GET IT STARTED NOW OUT OF OUR EXISTING GENERAL FUND RESERVES OR WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE.

I SAY DO IT NOW.

WHAT IS THE URGENCY? JUST THAT THEY HAVE A SERIOUS FLOODING PROBLEM AND EVEN THE MINOR RAINFALL EVENTS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE STREETS ARE FLOODED ALL THE TIME.

SO IT'S A STUDY, NOT A STUDY.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T. YEAH, BUT JUST TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT OUT THERE, IT'S RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE.

AND I'M OKAY WITH WAITING UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR IF IT SETS A PRECEDENT THAT PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE A REASON TO WAIT, THEN GO AHEAD.

I THINK IT'S BEING PROACTIVE.

I THINK THAT WE WILL KNOW WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST INSTEAD OF WAITING A YEAR FROM NOW TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF FLOODING OVER THERE.

AND WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A STUDY BACK AND WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.

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SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT WE DO IT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE IN JEOPARDY AND WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED THUS FAR WITH THE HURRICANES SO FAR THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY BLESSED BECAUSE I'M PRAYING EVERY DAY.

BUT ANYWAY, I JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S FALLING VULNERABLE IN THE CITY, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE THE APPROPRIATE STEPS NOW VERSUS WAITING A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR TO DO A STUDY WHEN WE CAN DO THE STUDY NOW AND KNOW WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST AND IT CAN BE PUT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IF IT COMES BACK, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND THE STUDY IS TO WHAT PROVIDE ENGINEERING? I MEAN, WE KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM.

WHAT IS THIS STUDY GOING TO DO? IT'S A CIVIL ENGINEERING EXERCISE LOOKING AT VULNERABLE AREAS AND GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MAKE THE ACTUAL PRACTICAL WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO COST.

AND YES, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS UP THERE.

YEP. THE STUDY WILL IDENTIFY AREAS THAT NEED HELP AND.

AN ESTIMATE THE COST TO DO THOSE THAT YOU WILL THEN DIAL INTO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

THIS IS FULLERWOOD DRAINAGE STUDY.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT.

IT'S NOT JUST THE FULLERWOOD.

IT'S THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEMINOLE DRIVE, THAT OAK STREET AREA.

THE BEACON AREA.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

LET'S GO FORWARD. I SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE $50,000 FROM RESERVE INSTRUCT CITY MANAGER TO REMOVE $50,000 FROM RESERVES IN THE GENERAL FUND TO SUPPLY INCOME FUND.

WHAT IS BEING CALLED THE FULLERWOOD DRAINAGE STUDY? SECOND. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OKAY, LET'S KEEP MOVING.

ONE DOWN. UM, I NOTED THAT THE.

I TOLD YOU THERE WAS. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ON THE 24TH.

IS THIS GOING TO COST. NO, IT'S JUST.

IT'S QUICK. I NOTED THAT THE NATIONAL WASTE AND RECYCLING WORKERS WEEK BEGINS ANNUALLY ON THIS 17TH OF JUNE.

AND THAT'S THE WEEK OF JUNETEENTH.

AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD GESTURE FROM TO HONOR TO RECOGNIZE OUR WASTE AND RECYCLING WORKERS AND GIVE THEM JUNETEENTH OFF ON IN TERMS OF A COLLECTION DAY, JUST TO LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S NUMBER TWO.

UM, THE THIRD THE LAST ONE IS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT LAND CONSERVATION, ACQUISITIONS, RESILIENCE ACQUISITIONS. WE'VE APPROVED ONE OF THEM.

MISS KERNS AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT STAFF SOME OTHERS ARE LURKING OUT THERE.

I'D REQUEST THAT STAFF DEVELOP GUIDELINES BASED ON BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FROM LIKE THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST AND SO FORTH FOR THE USE OF CITY FUNDS TO PURCHASE LAND FOR CONSERVATION AND RESILIENCE PURPOSES.

SO DO WE HAVE A STUDY GOING ON? WE HAVE A STUDY THAT WOULD INVENTORY PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR CONSERVATION ACQUISITION.

OKAY. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER BLONDER IS SAYING IS SHE'S LOOKING FOR BEST PRACTICES TO ACQUIRE THOSE LANDS.

IN OTHER WORDS, DOES THIS REQUIRE HIRING A CONSULTANT AND DOING A STUDY? I DON'T THINK IT'LL START OFF AT A STAFF LEVEL AND SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US.

AND YOU CAN LOOK AT LIKE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST, NATURE CONSERVANCY, FLORIDA FOREVER PROGRAM.

THEY ALL HAVE GUIDELINES.

YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS INSTEAD OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, I'D LIKE TO OFFER YOU MY PROPERTY AT X, Y AND Z.

DO WE ACCEPT THAT AS THE PURCHASE PRICE? OKAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

DOES THIS LAND CONSERVATION ACQUISITION PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING AND I THINK YOU HAVE SUPPORT HERE.

I THINK SO, TOO. YES. IT'S WONDERFUL.

UM, WHAT ARE THE GOALS SPECIFICALLY? IS THIS FOCUSED ON FLOODING PROPERTIES? IS THIS FOCUSING ON, UM, HISTORIC PROPERTIES, ARCHEOLOGICAL ZONES? IS THIS FOCUSED ON, IF I COULD, ON FLOODING PROPERTY? WHAT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE LIKE TO WORKSHOP THAT.

OKAY. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO.

LET'S DO THAT FIRST.

LET'S HAVE AGREEMENT. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP ON, YOU KNOW, AHEAD OF YOU THERE, MISTER CITY MANAGER, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE AN ART FUND, WE HAVE A LAMP, WE HAVE PRESERVATION ARCHEOLOGICAL.

I MEAN, WE HAVE. YEAH.

WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND.

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WELL, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.

I HOPE SO. AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT.

I MEAN IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE QUEUE.

IT'S MOVING FORWARD. SO.

YEAH. OKAY.

I DO, I.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, COMMISSIONER BLONDER, BECAUSE I DO FEEL A VERY STRONG SENSE OF URGENCY ON THESE MATTERS.

YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT RECREATION, CONSERVATION.

RESILIENCE, YES.

WHAT'S THE LIST OF PRIORITIES THAT WE FEEL WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT? OKAY. WHAT ELSE? THAT'S IT. OH, THAT'S. ALL RIGHT.

IT WASN'T TOO LONG. WE'LL SEE YOU IN AUGUST.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

OKAY. I WOULD SAY I WOULD SAY THAT OUR BOND IS CERTAINLY CLOSE TO MY HEART.

UM, WE ALSO AT ONE TIME TALKED ABOUT.

MAINTENANCE FUNDS FOR OUR EXISTING ART PIECES AROUND TOWN.

WE'VE GOT THE LIONS, WE'VE GOT PEDRO.

WE'VE GOT THINGS AT THE V-I-C.

WE'VE GOT LOTS OF THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR BUDGET THAT YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE WE DESIGNED A PROJECT UP IN JACKSONVILLE AND IT WAS $1 MILLION.

WE HAD TO PUT IN A CONCEPT, BUT WE WON THIS PROJECT FROM H&R BLOCK.

IT WAS A DOWNTOWN ON THE JACKSONVILLE CAMPUS, AND THAT WAS THE SITE.

AND MR. BLACK GOES, YOU HAVE $1 MILLION.

SO WE DESIGNED THIS THING AND.

WE DIDN'T HAVE $1 MILLION BECAUSE THEY WANTED $250,000 TO MAINTAIN IT OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.

SO WE HAD $750,000 AND WE WORKED LIKE CRAZY TO BRING IT BACK IN LINE.

HE WOULDN'T BUDGE.

HE LIKED THE CONCEPT.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT.

SO ANYWAY, WE DID IT, BUT IT WAS A STRUGGLE.

SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TOP OF MIND HOW SPEAKING ABOUT MAIN STREET, WHATEVER WE DO THERE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAINTAIN IT.

SO. AND SPEAKING ABOUT PUTTING MONEY AWAY, THAT WAS THE EARMARK WE HAD LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS $70,000.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EVERY YEAR FOR A FEW YEARS.

WELL, IT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT IN, BUT IT JUST GOT PASSED ON.

BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED TO ALONG THE WAY.

BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'LL NEED TO ADD MORE THIS YEAR FOR THAT AND.

AND I AGREE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PARKING GARAGE, MAYBE SUPPORTING THAT AS WELL.

AND I LIKE THE WORKSHOP IDEA AND I LIKE THE CRA AND WEST AUGUSTINE.

I THINK WE MAKE SUCH A GOOD TEAM.

THAT'S IT. ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. MR. GARRIS, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS GOT SOMETHING TO SAY.

BUT ANYWAY, CITY MANAGER AND I MET WITH GREG WHITE ABOUT THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM, AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER, WHETHER WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND HE WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT SOME POINT TO DO A PRESENTATION ON THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM THAT I RECOMMENDED.

SECOND, I BELIEVE HE HAS REACHED OUT ABOUT KELLY'S LANE AND THAT IS IN THE PROCESS AND WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER FORWARDED THE EMAIL TO YOU FROM THE MOM TALKING ABOUT KELLY, BUT I'M SURE HE'S GOING TO DO THAT JUST SO YOU GUYS GET AN IDEA ABOUT THAT INDIVIDUAL. GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BLONDER SAID, I BELIEVE THAT JESSICA BEACH IS MORE THAN CAPABLE AND CONDUCTING THAT RESILIENT WORKSHOP.

SHE HAS BEEN HERE WITH THE CITY.

SHE HAS WORKED WITH THESE GOVERNMENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN.

I THINK HER AND HER STAFF COULD ENLIGHTEN US ON DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT OUR CITY BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AND GETTING DATA AND SHE'S ACTUALLY AN EXCELLENT INDIVIDUAL.

AND GOING BACK TO WHAT VICE MAYOR SAID, AS FAR AS OUR ARTWORK, HAVING WORKED IN FACILITIES, WE WOULD GET ALL THE MONUMENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE PLAZA.

WE HAD PEOPLE STRUCTURED YEARLY TO COME AND TAKE CARE OF THE LIONS AND ALSO THE MONUMENT, THAT TALL WHITE MONUMENT IN THE PLAZA, BECAUSE I USED TO HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CALLS.

SO I HOPE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STAYING ON TOP OF BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF LOSS AND FACILITIES WITH TIM SHIELDS BEING GONE.

AND I KNOW BOB IS EXCELLENT, BUT SHE HAS A COUPLE OF HATS THAT SHE'S WEARING.

SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T DROP THE BALL ON MAINTAINING OUR STATUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

I JUST THINK THAT I LIKE THE COMMISSION BECAUSE EVERYBODY BRINGS A DIFFERENT PIECE TO THE PIE.

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AND I THINK THAT WE'RE APPROACHED BY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS FOR A NEED.

MY PERCEPTION MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMISSIONER IS I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE I FEEL IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT WE CREATE A BOND WITH THEM BECAUSE WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY IN A BIGGER REALM.

AND I MET WITH SARAH ARNOLD LAST WEEK ON THURSDAY TO PUSH THIS INITIATIVE FOR THIS CROSSWALK THAT I'VE BEEN JUMPING UP AND DOWN FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS FOR THE SAFETY AS FAR AS BEING PROACTIVE, FOR THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET WITHOUT GETTING RUN DOWN BY EVERYBODY IN A HURRY. AND FINALLY, I GOT SOME GOOD NEWS AFTER I DANCED ON MY HEAD IN THAT MEETING, ASKING FOR EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE.

HE TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE, GOING TO GIVE US THE PERMIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CROSSWALK.

SO THEY I DEFINITELY BELIEVE THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE.

I DON'T BELIEVE JUST SITTING AND BEING IDLE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS BRING MY CONCERNS TO THE MEETING BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST CAN'T PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY TO YOU GUYS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? BECAUSE OF THE SUNSHINE LAW? SO THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES ABOUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN OUR CITY, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

PEOPLE VOTED US IN BECAUSE THEY HAD FAITH IN US AND WE CAN'T NEVER LET THE BALL DROP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO AND I'LL JUST ROLL THROUGH THEM REALLY QUICKLY.

I WOULD. WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THE END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR.

THAT WILL BE SEPTEMBER 30TH.

CORRECT. AND I DO WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GRANTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR WORKING ON YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISON PROGRAM. NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES MANAGER.

YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST ROLLING OFF MY TONGUE IN A LITTLE BIT.

NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

SO I DO WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE WE WE GET THOSE GRANTS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE MONEY TURNS OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR. ALSO ON THE TOPIC OF CROSSWALKS.

I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THAT THE CROSSWALK ON ANASTASIA BOULEVARD THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DOT ON AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS.

SEVEN. SEVEN.

PLEASE TAKE NOTE.

THAT'S THE DOT, NOT THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S THE STATE.

THE STATE, NOT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD WITH THAT.

SO, YEP, THERE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE SO EXCITED. WE KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN.

WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHEN.

SO REAL EXCITING THEN.

UM, I DO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A POLICY FOR NAMING STREETS, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE POLICIES SOMETIMES THAT WE SHIFT AWAY FROM AND CHANGE AND BUT I THINK IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.

LIKE I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING I BROUGHT UP THAT I REMEMBER IT BEING IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE THE POLICY HAD AT ONE TIME WAS HISTORIC.

USUALLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE PASSED THAT ARE NOT ALIVE, SO PARK NAMING, STREET NAMING, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO I DO SUPPORT THAT IDEA.

UM, UH.

ALSO HAVE ALSO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF ASSESSING THE STATUARY OF THE CITY.

I THINK WE'VE I'VE ASKED FOR AN INVENTORY.

FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE INVENTORY.

WHAT DO WE HAVE? THEN WE CAN DO THE ASSESSMENTS.

WE CAN MOVE ON TO THAT AND THEN EVENTUALLY A MANAGEMENT PLAN AND BUDGETING ITEMS. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THINKING.

SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT AND I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE ART FUND.

HOWEVER, THE IDEA I KNOW THAT THE CULTURAL COUNCIL IS INITIATING A CAMPAIGN TO DO A ART FUND THAT WOULD BE FUNDED BY, I THINK, A PERCENTAGE OF LOCAL BUILDING PERMITS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME KIND OF.

LITTLE TAG.

YOU CAN JUST PULL A LITTLE MONEY HERE OR THERE.

BUT I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PARKING FEES.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LET STAFF MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, I LOOK FORWARD TO MAIN STREET STATUARY STATUE COMING FORWARD FROM YOU.

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I'M EXCITED.

LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S JUST MY WAY OF SAYING HELLO.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN THIS CENTURY.

SO AT SOME POINT, I MEAN, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, SEVEN YEARS FOR CROSSWALK.

AND HERE WE GO.

THINGS TAKE TIME. WE HAVE A LOT.

WE'RE ALL BUSY DOING THINGS.

THEN FINALLY, MY LAST THING.

AND WE CAN ALL GO HOME NOW.

THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD SIX 35, 36 I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE THE CITY ON A WONDERFUL 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION.

I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WENT BEAUTIFULLY.

EVERYBODY JUST THE FIREWORKS WERE FANTASTIC.

THE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A LOT OF FUN.

WE DIDN'T SEE AS MANY PEOPLE THIS YEAR, I DON'T THINK, AT LEAST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE IMPACT OF THE SHUTTLE JUST BUT IT WAS SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LIVE IN DAVIS SHORES AND WE USUALLY GET IMPACTED PRETTY HEAVILY.

BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY NICE CELEBRATION.

AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THE CITY DOES.

AND THANK YOU.

SPECIAL THANKS TO THE TDC FOR THEIR FUNDING OF THE FIREWORKS.

SO AND WITH THAT HEARING NO MORE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.