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>> THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.>> WONDERFUL. TODAY WE ARE HONORED WITH THE PRESENCE OF PASTOR DAN OTT FROM ANASTASIA BAPTIST CHURCH ON [INAUDIBLE] 16.
WELCOME. IF YOU WILL, PLEASE RISE AFTER THE INVOCATION, WE WILL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PRESENTED, LED BY VICE MAYOR ROXANNE HORVATH.
>> LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS AND THE GRACE THAT YOU'VE SHOWN THIS GREAT CITY THAT YOU'VE ESTABLISHED.
FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT HISTORY THIS CITY HAS LORD, BUT ALSO FOR THE GREAT FUTURE YOU HAVE FOR IT.
AND GOD I PRAY FOR THESE LEADERS YOU HAVE APPOINTED FOR THIS TIME AND SEASON, GOD FOR THE SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES THEY FACE.
FATHER FOR THE VISIONS AND PLANS YOU HAVE GOD, AND ALL I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE WISDOM.
GOD THAT YOU WOULD GIVE UNDERSTANDING.
FATHER LORD, THAT YOU WOULD JUST BE GLORIFIED THROUGH THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
WE PRAY THIS IN JESUS NAME. AMEN.
>> PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE.
>> NEXT ITEM IS MODIFICATION AND APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[2. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS]
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE CHANGES?>> I HAVE ONE MODIFICATION I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND.
>> IT WOULD GO UNDER ITEM 14A, I BELIEVE, THERE'S A RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-19 THAT I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER.
YOU'D HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA AS SUCH.
>> OFFSHORE. THAT IS ITEM 14A, REVIEW OF PROPOSED LETTER TO PRESIDENT BIDEN SUPPORTING THE PREVENTION OF NEW OFFSHORE OIL LEASING.
>> SO YOU WANTED TO ADD IT TO NINE AS A RESOLUTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? BIG VOICES, WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND BIG VOICES.
>> YES, IF THAT'S A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT IT, BUT IT IS CORRELATED WITH ITEM 14A.
>> MADAM MAYOR, ARE YOU MORE THAN FINE?
>> WE'LL DO IT UNDER RESOLUTION.
>> LET'S ADD IT UNDER 9B, RESOLUTION 2023-19.
ANY OTHER ADDITIONS FROM, MR. CITY MANAGER? HAVE ANYTHING?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. [NOISE] AGENDA IS MODIFIED.
[NOISE] WE MOVE ON TO A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION.
[3.A. Certificate of Recognition 2023-05CR: Celebrating the 30th anniversary of the Tale Tellers of Saint Augustine. (R. Horvath, Commissioner)]
VICE MAYOR ROXANNE HORVATH IS GOING TO READ THAT FOR US.>> I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS COME UP AND READ OR BE THERE WITH ME.
IT IS FOR THE TALE TELLERS OF ST. AUGUSTINE, SO IF THEY WOULD COME UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THESE PEOPLE HERE HAVE BEEN TELLING TALES FOR A LONG TIME [LAUGHTER] AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT THEY ARE.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO READ THIS CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION.
IT SAYS, WHEREAS THE TALE TELLERS OF ST. AUGUSTINE WAS ORGANIZED AND FOUNDED IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE IN JANUARY OF 1993.
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SINCE ITS FOUNDING, THE GUILD HAS DEVOTED ITSELF TO THE ADVOCACY OF STORYTELLING AS AN ART FORM AND AN ENTERTAINMENT MEDIUM.WHEREAS THE STORYTELLING IS A VALUABLE METHOD OF SHARING THE LEGENDS, FOLKLORE, AND HISTORY OF HISTORIC ST. AUGUSTINE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WHEREAS STORYTELLING CONTRIBUTES TO THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORY AND THE LORE OF OUR CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE.
AND WHEREAS THE STORYTELLING EMBRACES THE HERITAGE AND ORAL TRADITIONS OF OUR DIVERSE CULTURES AND ENABLING ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE THE STRENGTH OF COMMUNITY AND THE RICHNESS OF DIVERSITY.
AND WHEREAS STORYTELLING FOSTERS COMMUNICATION, TOLERANCE AND UNDERSTANDING AMONG OUR CITIZENS OF EVERY AGE AND BACKGROUND.
AND WHEREAS STORYTELLING ENCOURAGES THE MASTERY OF LANGUAGE, ARTS, LITERACY AND KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY AND FOLKLORE AS STUDENTS LEARN, TELL AND LISTEN TO STORIES IN SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY SETTINGS.
AND WHEREAS THE TALE TELLERS OF ST. AUGUSTINE CONSISTS OF NUMEROUS STORYTELLERS IN ALL AREAS OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND BEYOND AND SERVES TO PRESERVE, PERPETUATE, AND PROMOTE THE ART OF STORYTELLING BY EDUCATING AND ENCOURAGING THE ART OF STORYTELLING IN OUR CITY AND COUNTY AND STATE.
NOW THEREFORE, THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE HEREBY CELEBRATES AND COMMEMORATES A TALE TELLERS OF ST.
AUGUSTINE'S 30TH ANNIVERSARY AND ENCOURAGES ALL RESIDENTS TO CELEBRATE BY PARTICIPATING IN ANY SCHEDULED ACTIVITIES BY THE TALE TELLERS OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
STORYTELLING IS SO VERY IMPORTANT.
EVERY TIME YOU SIT DOWN AT THE DINNER TABLE, YOU HAVE A STORY TO TELL ABOUT YOUR DAY.
WELL, WE BRING IT TO AN ART FORM SO THAT WE CAN PERPETUATE ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN OUR WORLDS.
WE WANT TO TELL THE GOOD AND THE BAD.
BUT WE WANT TO LEARN, AND WE WANT TO TEACH THROUGH STORY.
WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL JOIN US SOON.
>> [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU AGAIN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND].
>> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING]
FIRST SPEAKER IS DOUG RUSSO, FOLLOWED BY RHONDA BRENNAN. MR. RUSSO.>> HELLO, MY NAME IS DOUG RUSSO.
I LIVE HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND I'M A NATIVE.
ST. AUGUSTINE CLASS OF 1972, ST. AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL.
SOME OF YOU KNOW ME, I'M A LOCAL BAPTIST PREACHER, A FATHER OF 11, AND WE'RE EXPECTING OUR 52ND GRANDCHILD NEXT MONTH.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION AS USUAL, SPECIFICALLY THE SO-CALLED MAYOR NANCY SIKES-KLINE HAS ONCE AGAIN COMMITTED A GREAT DISSERVICE TO THE CITY.
SHE HAS USED THE PREAMBLE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES TO SUPPORT THE VILE, UNGODLY, PERVERTED PROCLAMATION FOR SODOMITE MONTH, COMMONLY KNOWN AS PRIDE MONTH AMONG THE SATANISTS.
SHE STATED THAT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES GIVES WAY FOR LIBERTY AND RIGHTS TO SEXUAL PERVERTS AND PEDOPHILES.
NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
THE GODLY FOUNDERS AND THE RESPECTIVE STATES ALL CONDEMNED HOMOSEXUALITY AS A CRIME.
NOT ONLY AS A CRIME, BUT A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.
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THE STATE OF FLORIDA HELD THE DEATH PENALTY FOR SODOMITES AND PEDOPHILES UP TO THE YEAR 1850.EVEN THIS HOUR, SODOMY IS STILL ON THE FLORIDA STATUTES AS A LEWD AND LASCIVIOUS BEHAVIOR, PUNISHABLE BY BOTH JAIL TIME AND A FINE.
THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY IS DERIVED FROM BOTH TESTAMENTS OF THE HOLY BIBLE.
THEREFORE, NANCY KLINE IS UNFIT TO SIT IN HER SEAT AS A MAGISTRATE.
SHE'S AN UNGODLY REPROBATE THAT HAS SET HERSELF ABOVE THE LAW OF GOD.
PERVERT MONTH SHOULD NEVER BE CELEBRATED, BUT RATHER CONDEMN.
PSALM 5:5, DAVID WRITES, "GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY." SHAME ON YOU.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS RHONDA BRENNAN, FOLLOWED BY NANCY MARIE.
>> HELLO. I'M HERE TO READ THE REPUBLIC AND THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE RESOLUTION BANNED ALL MANDATORY COVID-19 VACCINATIONS AND TESTING.
WHEREAS IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE REC BOARD TO APPROVE ALL PUBLIC STATEMENTS REPRESENTING THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
WHEREAS THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH, COVID-19, JANUARY 10TH OF 2017, BIOWEAPON PATENT VACCINE NANOTECHNOLOGY IS DEFINED UNDER SECTION 9, AS IN SOME EMBODIMENTS, THE SMALL MOLECULE IS A TOXIN, A BIOWARFARE.
WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA PHARMACIES HAVE ACCESSIBLE BIOWEAPON INJECTIONS FOR CHILDREN'S FOUR MONTHS AND UP INCLUDED PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE BIVALENT ORIGIN MODERNA, COVID-19 VACCINE BIVALENT FOR INDIVIDUALS SIX YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER, AND FDA-LICENSED SPIKEVAX COVID-19 VACCINE AND MRNA.
RESOLVE THE REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA SUPPORTS THE IMMEDIATE CEASE OF ALL COVID-19 BIOWEAPON INJECTIONS IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
RESOLVE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE CALL FOR THE FLORIDA STATE LEGISLATOR TO PROMOTE A HOUSE BILL, BAN THE COVID-19 VACCINE BIOWEAPON BY ADDING A NEW SECTION TO THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES TITLE 46 CHAPTER 897, AND TO READ AS FOLLOWS, FLORIDA STATUE 897, "ADMINISTERING AN MRNA OR TOXIC VACCINE FOR ANY PURPOSES, A PERSON MAY NOT PROVIDE OR ADMINISTER A VACCINE DEVELOPED USING MESSENGER ACID TECHNOLOGY OR TOXIC SPIKE PROTEINS FOR ANY USE OF ANY INDIVIDUAL HUMAN OR ANY OTHER MAMMAL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND A PERSON WHO VIOLATES THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY." THIS RESOLUTION WAS PASSED ON JUNE 1ST, 2023 BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUBMIT ON THE SIDE ON MY OWN AN ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE FOR THE CITY COMMISSION OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE PROHIBITION OF DISTRIBUTION OF COVID-19 INJECTIONS AND AN MRNA NANOPARTICLE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT AND SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING FOR, WHEREAS THE CONTINUED EXPERIMENTATION ON HUMANS DENIAL OF INFORMED CONSENT ARE VIOLATIONS OF THE NUREMBERG CODE, WHICH IS THE BASIS FOR INTERNATIONAL, FEDERAL, AND INFORMED CONSENT LAWS, AND THEREFORE CONSTITUTES CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
WHEREAS STRONG AND CREDIBLE EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT COVID-19 INJECTIONS, MRNA NANOPARTICLE INJECTIONS ARE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS, AND PFIZER'S DATA'S FEBRUARY 28TH, 2021 REVEALS 1,223 DEATHS, 42,000 ADVERSE CASES, AND 158,000 ADVERSE INCIDENTS, AND APPROXIMATELY 1,000 SIDE EFFECTS.
I HOPE THAT YOU GO BY YOUR OATH AND TAKE CARE OF THIS.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE THIS WITH WHOEVER I NEED TO. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS NANCY MURPHY FOLLOWED BY LAURA LLEWELLYN.
>> THANK YOU. YES, I'M NANCY MURPHY, 22 VARENNES COURT.
I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVING ITEM 14A AT THE LAST MEETING SO THAT ST. AUGUSTINE CAN BE ONE OF THE MEMBER CITIES IN COMPASSIONATE USA.
I'D LIKE TO READ YOU THE CHARTER FOR COMPASSION TO REMIND YOU WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE AFFIRMING.
"THE PRINCIPLE OF COMPASSION LIES AT THE HEART OF ALL RELIGIOUS, ETHICAL, AND SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, CALLING US ALWAYS TO TREAT ALL OTHERS AS WE WISH TO BE TREATED OURSELVES.
COMPASSION IMPELS US TO WORK TIRELESSLY TO ALLEVIATE THE SUFFERING OF OUR FELLOW CREATURES.
TO DETHRONE OURSELVES FROM THE CENTER OF OUR WORLD AND PUT ANOTHER THERE.
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AND TO HONOR THE ENVOY AVAILABLE SANCTITY OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING TREATING EVERYBODY WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WITH ABSOLUTE JUSTICE, EQUITY, AND RESPECT.IT IS ALSO NECESSARY IN BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LIFE TO REFRAIN CONSISTENTLY AND EMPATHICALLY FROM INFLICTING PAIN.
TO ACT OR SPEAK VIOLENTLY OUT OF SPITE, CHAUVINISM, OR SELF-INTEREST, TO IMPOVERISH, EXPLOIT, OR DENY BASIC RIGHTS TO ANYBODY, AND TO INCITE HATRED BY DENIGRATING OTHERS, EVEN OUR ENEMIES IS A DENIAL OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE FAILED TO LIVE COMPASSIONATELY AND SOME HAVE EVEN INCREASED THE SUM OF HUMAN MISERY IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.
WE, THEREFORE, CALL UPON ALL MEN AND WOMEN TO RESTORE COMPASSION TO THE CENTER OF MORALITY AND RELIGION.
TO RETURN TO THE ANCIENT PRINCIPLE THAT ANY INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE THAT BREEDS VIOLENCE, HATRED, OR DISDAIN IS ILLEGITIMATE.
TO ENSURE THAT YOUTH ARE GIVEN ACCURATE AND RESPECTFUL INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER TRADITIONS, RELIGIONS, AND CULTURES.
TO ENCOURAGE A POSITIVE APPRECIATION OF CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY.
TO CULTIVATE AN INFORMED EMPATHY WITH THE SUFFERING OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS, EVEN THOSE REGARDED AS ENEMIES.
WE URGENTLY NEED TO MAKE COMPASSION A CLEAR, LUMINOUS, AND DYNAMIC FORCE IN OUR POLARIZED WORLD.
ROOTED IN A PRINCIPLE DETERMINATION TO TRANSCEND SELFISHNESS, COMPASSION CAN BREAK DOWN POLITICAL, DOGMATIC, IDEOLOGICAL, AND RELIGIOUS BOUNDARIES.
BORN OF OUR DEEP INTERDEPENDENCE, COMPASSION IS ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS AND TO A FULFILLED HUMANITY.
IT IS THE PATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT AND INDISPENSABLE TO THE CREATION OF A JUST ECONOMY AND A PEACEFUL GLOBAL COMMUNITY." THAT WAS SIGNED IN GENEVA, SWITZERLAND IN FEBRUARY 2009.
AND COMPASSIONATE ST. AUGUSTINE'S MISSION IS TO INFLUENCE, INSPIRE, AND GROW A CULTURE OF COMPASSION THROUGH ADVOCACY, AWARENESS, AND ACTION. THANK YOU AGAIN.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS LAURA LLEWELLYN, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS PALMER. LAURA LLEWELLYN.
IS LAURA LLEWELLYN IN THE ROOM.
DID I PRONOUNCED THAT WRONG? L-L-E-W-E-L-L-Y-N. WE'LL SAVE THAT IN CASE THEY COME BACK.
CHRIS PALMER, FOLLOWED BY JOHN MILLER.
>> GOOD EVENING. CHRIS PALMER.
I LIVE IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS TURNOUT FOR THE PRIDE PARADE LAST WEEKEND.
IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE PARTICIPATE, PARTICULARLY THE YOUNG PEOPLE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE CITY FOR RECOGNIZING THE LGBT PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU TO THE HOUSE OF PRISON FOR COORDINATING IT.
I'D LIKE TO MENTION AGAIN SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE CURVE OF AN AVENUE TO MENENDEZ AT THE FORT PARKING LOT.
EVERY PERSON I KNOW HAS A STORY ABOUT IN THE DARK OF NIGHT PEOPLE CROSSING THE ROAD FROM EITHER NO-NAME OR WHITE LINE OVER TO THE FORT PARKING LOT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE, BUT SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET HURT AND IT'S A DANGEROUS SPOT.
CONGRATULATIONS TO COMPASSIONATE ST. AUGUSTINE AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
IT'S WELL DONE. PLEASE HAVE A HAPPY AND SAFE 4TH OF JULY, IT'S SUMMERTIME.
IT'S HOT. THE VISITORS ARE HERE. STAY SAFE.
STAY COOL, BE KIND TO YOUR SERVERS AND WAITSTAFF.
REMEMBER, THERE'S A LOT OF LOCALLY OWNED BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
PLEASE SUPPORT THEM AND SUPPORT YOUR CITY. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN MILLER, FOLLOWED BY SCOTT ROBINSON.
>> EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN MILLER.
IF I HAVE TO BANG THE GAVEL AGAIN, YOU'LL BE REMOVED.
>> I COME TO YOU TONIGHT ONCE AGAIN, TO APPEAL TO YOU TO ESTABLISH A RESOLUTION AND PASS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A ST. AUGUSTINE MUNICIPAL YOUTH COUNSEL.
STUDENTS WHO WILL SERVE ON YOUTH COUNCILS ARE LEADERS OF TOMORROW.
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IT'S IMPORTANT TO EXPOSE THEM TO MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS AT AN EARLY AGE.THAT'S FROM AARON RUSSELL OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.
SEVENTY CITIES IN FLORIDA, SUCH AS MIAMI, ST. PETERSBURG, TAMPA, SANFORD, AND JUST TO OUR WEST, ALASKA, HAVE YOUTH COUNCILS.
GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CITIES THAT VALUE OF THE INSIGHT AND VIEWS OF YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, ONE HAS TO CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS A VALUE, NOT ONLY FOR KIDS, BUT FOR CITIES AND ORGANIZING SUCH A GROUP.
WILL THERE BE DIFFICULTIES? ABSOLUTELY. WILL THERE BE QUESTIONS OF THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED WITHOUT QUESTION? BUT YOU KNOW, IF DON PEDRO MENENDEZ HAD FOCUSED ONLY ON THE PROBLEMS HE FACED AND WAITED UNTIL EVERY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED BEFORE SETTING SAIL TO THE NEW WORLD, WE WOULD NOT BE SITTING IN THE NATION'S OLDEST CITY TONIGHT.
TWO WEEKS AGO, KIM AND I, MY WIFE AND I WERE IN WASHINGTON DC, AND WHILE WE WERE THERE, WE HAD DINNER WITH TWO OF MY FORMER MODEL UNITED NATIONS KIDS, NOT KIDS ANYMORE.
ONE OF THEM WORKS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND THE OTHER FOR THE FOREIGN SERVICE.
KNOWING I WAS COMING TONIGHT, I ASKED HIM TO TELL ME HOW THEY GOT INTO INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS.
CHRIS WROTE BACK, "MR. MILLER, PLEASE KNOW THAT MY LOVE FOR INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS IS ROOTED IN EXPERIENCE OF BEING A DELEGATE IN THE CLUB.
MY INTERESTS CAME LITTLE BY STUDYING THE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL AND GREATLY BY ACTIVELY BEING A DELEGATE IN THE MODEL UN AND DOING WHAT DIPLOMATS REALLY DO.
DOING WHAT A LEADER DOES IS FAR MORE EFFECTIVE THAN READING CHAPTER 7 AND SCORING A 95 ON THE TEST." I ASKED YOU TO ENVISION THAT A YOUNG PERSON'S PARTICIPATION IN A MUNICIPAL YOUTH COUNCIL THAT YOU FOUND IT MAY WELL RESULT IN THE FUTURE MAYOR OR FUTURE COMMISSIONER, OR PERHAPS A CITY MANAGER.
CAN YOU ENVISION CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BECOMING A BETTER CITY BECAUSE OF THE CONTRIBUTION OF YOUNG PEOPLE? YOU CAN CHOOSE TO SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT CIVIC DUTY BY ESTABLISHING A MUNICIPAL COUNCIL, OR YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO DO SO.
BUT YOU CAN NEVER EVER AGAIN TODAY SAY AFTER TODAY KIDS JUST DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY.
TONIGHT, I ASK YOU TO PLACE THE IDEA OF A MUNICIPAL YOUTH COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS SCOTT ROBINSON, FOLLOWED BY VICKY PEPPER.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SCOTT ROBINSON, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPROXIMATELY 500 RESIDENTS OF THE PARCEL OF PROPERTY THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE ST. AUGUSTINE AMPHITHEATER.
IT'S COUNTING PROPERTIES, SO NONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND WHO'VE ASKED ME TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOU ALL AGAIN, ARE ABLE TO VOTE IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTIONS RELATING TO EACH OF YOU OR MR. BERTRAM.
WE'VE MET. THE CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS RAISED IN EARLY APRIL WHEN A TV REPORTER KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE THE STATE PARK LAND THAT ADJOINS OUR PROPERTY AND AS HISTORIC JUNE AND AS PART OF THE ANASTASIA STATE PARK AND PUT A FIRE STATION THERE.
I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE WHEN I MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE, I'D READ ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CITY, IN FACT, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH YOU-ALL REVIEWED LAST WEEK THAT INCLUDE FIERCE PRESERVATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE NATURAL FEATURES THAT ENHANCE AND ARE PART OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
THINK CONCEIVABLE TO ME THAT SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO KNOCK DOWN PART OF THE STATE PARK.
BUT I CAME TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I CAME TO THE CITY AND I LEARNED THAT IN FACT, THAT WAS TRUE.
I WENT TO A BUILDING COMMISSION MEETING IN EARLY APRIL, ASKED ABOUT IT AND WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS IN THE PRELIMINARY STATEMENTS.
I LEARNED WITHIN A WEEK THEREAFTER, HOWEVER, THAT THE CITY, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, MR. BERTRAM, AND THE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WERE ALL GOING TO TALLAHASSEE TO SUPPORT WHAT WAS IN EFFECT A DONE DEAL TO LEASE THAT PARCEL OF PROPERTY AND DECLASSIFY FROM STATE PARK LAND.
IT'S INCONCEIVABLE TO ME THAT ASD PARK WOULD WANT TO GIVE UP ANY OF ITS STATE PARK LAND.
BUT WHEN IT'S A HISTORIC JUNE, IT'S A BUFFER TO THE CITY.
IT'S A BUFFER FOR THE NOISE FROM THE AMPHITHEATER TO OUR HOMES.
IT PROTECTS US FROM THE WIND, FROM HURRICANES.
IT WAS GOING TO BE KNOCKED DOWN AND THAT THE CITY WAS PROMOTING DOING THAT.
I WAS MORE THAN A LITTLE SURPRISED.
WE WERE TOLD TO MEET WITH MR. BERTRAM.
HE SCHEDULED A MEETING, WHICH WAS AFTER THE MEETING AT TALLAHASSEE.
HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH, HOWEVER, TO MOVE THAT MEETING UP, CAME AND MET WITH OVER 50 REPRESENTATIVES OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
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ALL OF US ASKING HIM, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? HE TOLD US THIS WAS DRIVEN BY THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.WASN'T THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE? DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION EXPERIMENTS SAID WE WANT TO BUILD A TRAFFIC CIRCLE AT THE CORNER WHERE THE EXISTING FIRE STATION IS.
THAT WAS TO PROVIDE SAFETY AND THAT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE WAS BEHIND THAT PROPOSAL.
WELL, I'VE SINCE LEARNED THAT NUMBER 1, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE WENT TO THE STATE PARK AND SAID, WE WANT TO LEASE THIS LAND AND WE WANT TO BUILD A FIRE STATION, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE DOT.
WE WENT TO THE DOT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNOW THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY LAST WEEK.
WE ASKED FOR IT FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU ALL USE CITY RESOURCES TO PUT POLICE CARS AND PUBLIC TRANSIT PEOPLE THERE WHEN THE MARKETS, THE CONCERTS AND OTHER THINGS OCCUR.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER IS VICKY PEPPER, FOLLOWED BY, WE'LL TRY TO SEE IF LAURA LLEWELLYN HAS RETURNED TO THE ROOM.
>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE ON HARBOUR VISTA CIRCLE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.
I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CARE, COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY.
WE'RE AN INFORMAL INDEPENDENCE CIVIC ACTION GROUP THAT GREW OUT OF ST. AUGUSTINE'S ONGOING COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EFFORT.
FIRST, I WOULD AGAIN, LIKE TO THANK THE CITY FOR WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE MOST PROMISING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT GOING ON IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIGHT NOW AND ITS PROPERTY AT 415 NORTH HOLMES, BOULEVARD.
I VISITED THE PROPERTY, I ATTENDED THE CHARRETTE BACK IN MARCH, AND MY CARE COLLEAGUES AND I CONTINUE TO MONITOR PROGRESS OF THIS INITIATIVE.
SECOND, IT WAS NOT LOST ON US, AND WE HOPE IT WAS NOT LOST ON YOU.
THAT THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE BROOKS AND SCARPA FINAL REPORT YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE LATER IN THIS MEETING ON THE PROPERTY NOTES.
DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY AND COUNTY HAS BEEN CHARACTERIZED BY AD HOC PROJECTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET DEMAND FOR WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS.
NO OVERARCHING VISION GUIDES THE DISCUSSION AND A LACK OF A COUNTY-WIDE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS PLACED GREAT PRESSURE ON THE CITY COMMISSION TO TAKE ACTION.
ONCE AGAIN, I MAY BE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE, BUT WE STILL NEED A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO PROVIDE THE NEW TOOLS, ACCESS TO ADDITIONAL FEDERAL FUNDING, AND PERSISTENT, CONSISTENT FOCUS THAT WILL INCREASE OUR CAPACITY TO ADDRESS OUR EVER-GROWING AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.
THE CITY COMMISSION RECOGNIZED THIS WHEN ON SEPTEMBER 12TH OF LAST YEAR, UNANIMOUSLY PASSED RESOLUTION 2022-31.
CARE STILL HASN'T GIVEN UP ON THE COUNTY DESPITE THE BOCC32 VOTE NOT TO PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY ON JANUARY 17TH.
THAT SAID, CARE CONTINUES TO BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE ADVANTAGES FOR ALL JURISDICTIONS IF THE CITY TOOK THE NOMINAL LEAD ON ESTABLISHING A ST. JOHNS COUNTY PHA, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH WOULD BE THAT MAYOR SIKES CLAIM WOULD APPOINT THE PHA'S GOVERNING COMMISSIONERS INSTEAD OF GOVERNOR DESANTIS.
I SAY NOMINAL LEAD BECAUSE ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY COULD AND SHOULD BE A COLLABORATIVE PROJECT BETWEEN ALL THREE JURISDICTIONS EMPLOYING AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT.
PLEASE KEEP OPEN MINDS ON THESE ISSUES SO THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY CAN BE ESTABLISHED ON BEHALF OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
FINALLY, AS THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT PROCEEDS, WE HOPE YOU WILL KEEP CARE AND THE REST OF THE PUBLIC FULLY INFORMED.
CARE IS PREPARED TO ADVOCATE WITH THE COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE CITY IN OBTAINING ANY ZONING VARIANCES OR OTHER LAND-USE PLANNING MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO REALIZE THE FULL AFFORDABLE HOUSING POTENTIAL OF THE CITY'S HOLMES BOULEVARD PROPERTY.
JUST LET US KNOW WHEN AND HOW PUBLIC ADVOCACY CAN SERVE THE INTERESTS OF THE CITY'S PROJECT AND THEREBY SERVE THE INTERESTS OF ALL OF US IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT SPEAKER, AGAIN, WE'LL TRY LAURA LLEWELLYN.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD.
>> BJ [INAUDIBLE] WITH CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, 984.
FIVE RESIDENTS CAN NAME AN ALLEY SO AIRBNBS CAN FIND THEIR RENTALS.
THIS IS ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.TNA SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP.
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AT WORKSHOP MEETING, DAVID BIRCHIM WAS LISTED AS ST. AUGUSTINE'S CITY MANAGER.HOWEVER ON APRIL 24, 2023, THREE APPLICANTS MADE PRESENTATIONS AT CITY COMMISSION MEETING FOR CITY MANAGER'S POSITION.
CITY TAXPAYERS PAY 60,000 TAX DOLLARS IN 2022 FOR MINERAL RIGHTS AT 415 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD.
QUESTION. AS OF TODAY, WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST PAID BY CITY TAXPAYERS TOWARD CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT 415 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD LOCATED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS OF ST. AUGUSTINE? HEIGHT ISSUES, NUMBER OF UNITS, AND COST OF INDIVIDUALS IS NOT SPECIFIC.
THEREFORE, THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
CONSENT AGENDA 10, APPROVAL OF PETITION TO VACATE DEPOT STREET SHOULD BE PULLED AND PLACED ON REGULAR AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.
AT APRIL 28, 2023 FRIDAY REVIEW, THE DEVELOPER'S LAWYER WAS NOT ABLE TO ARRIVE AT 8:30 AM, SO CITY STAFF ARRANGED FOR HIM TO ARRIVE AT 9:00 AM.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE SOME INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT HELD TO THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS OTHERS BY OUR STAFF.
HARTSHORN WILL BE ACCESS TO GARAGE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ACCESS FROM KING STREET, WHICH WILL AFFECT CONGESTION ON WEST KING, GIVING DEPOT STREET TO DEVELOPER A FIXED CITY-OWNED ACTIVE GRAVITY SEWER MAIN IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
QUESTION, WILL THIS BE REPLACED OR ABANDONED? THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT.
DEPOT STREET IS ACCESS TO CITY PARKING AND AFFECTS THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
THESE PETITIONS SHOULD BE DENIED AS IT WILL NOT SAFEGUARD THE PUBLIC'S INTERESTS AT THAT LOCATION.
CA 11, QUESTION, AND IF WE DON'T KNOW, WE'LL FIND OUT.
HOW MUCH HAVE CITY TAXPAYERS PAID OUTSIDE LAWYERS IN 2022? THERE'S A LOT OF LITIGATION GOING ON IN THE CITY AND I THINK WE, AS TAXPAYERS, NEED TO BE AWARE OF HOW MUCH WE'RE HAVING TO PAY TO BUY THESE OR SETTLE DISAGREEMENTS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ARE PAYING OUR OWN STAFF. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS [NOISE] WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
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MR. BIRCHIM, WILL YOU PRESENT THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE?>> CERTAINLY. THIS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR JUNE 26, 2023.
THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCES ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING ON JULY 10TH.
ORDINANCE 2023-21, NAMING ALLEY LOVE LANE.
REMINDER OF UPCOMING MEETINGS.
JULY 10TH, 3:00 PM, SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING, THE DISCUSSION OF THE 2023 BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS AND REVENUES.
JULY 10TH AT 5:00 PM, REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING, INCLUDING THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION FOR THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE AND OTHER BUDGET-RELATED RESOLUTIONS.
JULY 24TH, 5:00 PM, REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
AUGUST 14TH, 3:00 PM, SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE DISCUSSION OF THE 2024 BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS AND FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
AUGUST 14TH, 5:00 PM, REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM PRIOR CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS FROM MAY 22ND, THE SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING IN MAY 22ND, THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
WE HAVE A RELEASE OF LIEN FOR UNIT CONNECTION CHARGES AT 48 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD, ANDREW AMBROSE.
WE HAVE THE MAY 2023 FINANCIAL UPDATE.
WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF THE NOMINATION OF DR.
SUSAN PARKER FOR THE 2023 ORDER OF LA FLORIDA AWARD.
WE HAVE APPROVAL OF A PETITION TO VACATE DEPOT STREET, WHICH IS A REMNANT RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN 194 WEST KING STREET, 198 WEST KING STREET, AND 35 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ADJACENT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE AN INVOICE IN THE 68 ANDERSON STREET QUIET TITLE ACTION TO CAVENDISH PARTNERS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,981.
WE HAVE AN INVOICE IN THE SPADARO PARCEL SWAP MATTER TO CAVENDISH PARTNERS IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,044.
WE HAVE AN INVOICE IN THE PONCE ASSOCIATES MADEIRA MATTER TO BAKER AND HOSTETLER, LLP IN THE AMOUNT OF $165, AND THAT IS TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? ANY COMMENTS?
>> NO. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
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>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO APPEALS TONIGHT.
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ORDINANCES FIRST READING AND LET'S SEE.MS. SKINNER, YOU ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE FIRST OF FOUR ORDINANCES.
I THINK MAYBE WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON EACH OF THESE FOUR, THEY ALL GO TOGETHER, BUT THEY WILL NEED TO BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
>> HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT THEM?
>> I CAN PRESENT THEM ALL AT ONCE AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH EACH ITEM.
>> FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
ACTUALLY HAVE THESE AS THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA RELATED TO THE SAME.
[OVERLAPPING] THE FIRST ORDINANCE IS 2023-18, WHICH IS THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE.
THE CITY COMMISSION REVIEWED THE PETITION TO ANNEX WITH A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.90 ACRES AT THE MARCH 27TH CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
THE PROPERTY IS WEST OF THE EXISTING AREA KNOWN AS THE CAT'S PAW MARINA DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
IT IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES.
THIS ITEM IS AN INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING, AS YOU NOTED.
THE NEXT TWO ITEMS RELATE TO INCORPORATING THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CHANGING THE ZONING TO A CITY DESIGNATION.
ORDINANCES 2023-19, AND ORDINANCE 2023-20 APPLY TO THIS PIECE OF LAND.
THE ORDINANCES WOULD CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY TO THE CITY MARINE INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY, AND CHANGE THE ZONING FROM COUNTY RESIDENTIAL MANUFACTURED HOME OR RMH TO CITY PUD.
THE PZB RECOMMENDED THESE CHANGES AT THEIR JUNE 6TH MEETING.
THE PUD REZONING INCLUDES INCORPORATING THE ANNEX PROPERTY INTO THE CAT'S PAW MARINA PUD AND AMENDING THE EXISTING PUD.
AS PART OF THE PUD APPLICATION, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CONSIDERED TREE REMOVAL RELATED TO CONSERVATION OVERLAY ZONE DEVELOPMENT, AND REQUESTED A MORE DETAILED PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO REVIEW.
THIS PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THE PUD TEXT WAS ALSO AMENDED TO REFER TO NATIVE LANDSCAPING FOR CLARITY AND THE PROPOSED PLAN DOES MEET CITY CODE.
THESE ITEMS ARE ALSO INTRODUCTIONS AND FIRST READINGS OF THE ORDINANCES.
IF THE CITY COMMISSION CHOOSES TO TAKE ACTION, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION FOR EACH ORDINANCE.
FOR CLARIFICATION, I DO HAVE SOME MAPS TO SHOW THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC WHAT PROPERTIES WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT.
I ALSO HAVE AREAS THAT I'LL SHOW YOU.
BUT IN GENERAL, THIS LARGER PIECE HERE IS THE EXISTING CAT'S PAW MARINA PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY OUTLINED HERE IN COLORED IN YELLOW IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANNEXING IN.
IF THERE'S SOME CONFUSION, THE CAT'S PAW MARINA PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT THIS ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.16 ACRES.
THEY ARE ONLY PROPOSING THE ANNEX IN THIS YELLOW AREA, WHICH IS 0.9 ACRES.
THIS WOULD ALLOW CONTINUED ACCESS TO PROPERTIES BEHIND THIS PROPERTY THAT REMAIN IN THE COUNTY.
THE 0.9 ACRES IS THIS HIGHLIGHTED AREA IN YELLOW.
THIS IS AN AREA THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION.
YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CAT'S PAW MARINA DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TO BE ANNEXED.
IT DID HAVE SOME MOBILE HOMES ON IT AT ONE POINT.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY INCORPORATED INTO THE CAT'S PAW MARINA TO ALLOW FOR THE BUILDING OF A SECOND BOAT BARN.
THERE IS A PROPOSED BUILDING ON THE WATERFRONT THAT WAS LIMITED TO MARINE RETAIL AND OFFICE, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE IT AS A RESTAURANT.
THEY'VE EXPANDED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS OUR COLORED MAP FROM OUR LAND USE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE EXISTING PROPERTY IS MARINE INDUSTRIAL.
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THIS IS BASICALLY THE TARGET PROPERTY.THIS PROPERTY IS CONTINUOUS TO THE CITY AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE.
IT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MARINE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE, AND IT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE EXISTING PUD.
I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.
>> I THINK WHAT YOU'VE PREFERRED TO DO IN THE PAST IS DISCLOSE YOUR EX PARTE AT THE BEGINNING AND SWEAR EVERY ONE IN BOTH OF THOSE ARE REQUIRED FOR THE ZONING COMPONENT.
BUT I THINK FROM A FLOW PERSPECTIVE, YOU'VE PREFERRED JUST DOING IT AT THE BEGINNING.
>> I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT NOW, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF WE NEEDED TO DO IT FOR THE FIRST READING AND THE SECOND READING, OR WAIT TO THE SECOND READING.
>> YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO YOUR EX PARTES NOW AND I THINK THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK, SO THEY DO NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO OUR EX PARTE AND THEN WE'LL DO A SWEARING IN.
>> YEAH, I HAVE HAD NO CONTACT WITH OWNER OR THE DEVELOPER.
>> I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MR. WESTER REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER.
>> OKAY THEN. DO YOU WISH TO PROCEED WITH THE SWEARING IN? WE'LL HEAR THE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
>> WHOMEVER IN YOUR GROUP THAT WILL BE CHATTING BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN, SO WE CAN HAVE EVERYONE STAND AND GET SWORN IN TOGETHER TO JUST BE MORE EFFICIENT.
>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED.
YOU SAW AN ITERATION OF THAT ON MARCH 27TH AND IF COULD OBLIGE I'D LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION.
IT HAS SOME UPDATES IN THERE AND THEN WE CAN DO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AS NEEDED.
>> I THINK DECLINING THE REVIEW, GOING OVER WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT YOU WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE 6TH OF JUNE IT WAS?
>> DID THEY HAVE ANY MODIFICATIONS OR CHANGES?
>> THEY DID NOT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUST BEFORE YOU KEEP GOING, CAN YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE I THINK THE CLERK. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T THINK HE GOT THERE YET [LAUGHTER]
BRAD WESTER, DRIVER MCAFEE HAWTHORNE & DIEBENOW, ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVES SUITE 1200, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, 32202, REPRESENTING THE OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT AND AGENT.
IT WAS HEARD BY PZB ON JUNE 6TH, THERE WERE NO CHANGES MADE TO THE PLAN AS PRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION.
THE ONLY CLARIFICATION WAS TO THE CONSERVATION ZONE OVERLAY GRAPHICS THAT WE SUBMITTED.
THE ORIGINAL ONE WE SUBMITTED WAS ALL BLACK AND WHITE.
IT WAS A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT IT WAS BLACK AND WHITE HAD LEGENDS ON IT.
I PRESENTED A COLORED GRAPHIC AT THE PZB AND THEN IT WASN'T IN THE PACKET PER SE.
THEY WANTED THAT ADDED BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT EASIER TO TAKE A COLORED TREE TO A COLORED ITEM ON THE LEGEND AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW IT CORRELATED TO WHERE THE BUILDING PLACEMENT WAS AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT TREE WAS AND SO FORTH RELATED TO CONSERVATION OVERLAY ZONE NUMBER 3.
AFTER THE PZB MEETING I OBLIGED, AND I HAD OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT REDO THE MAPS JUST TO MAKE IT MORE LEGIBLE AND I RESUBMITTED THOSE.
>> IF YOU COULD GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
ARE WE READY FOR IT? YES. LET ME SEE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE I PULL THE RIGHT ONE.
JUNE 26TH. I SEE IT. CAN I USE THIS RIGHT HERE?
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. WE CAN GO BACK TO ANY OF THESE, BUT I'LL BE BRIEF FOR THE SAKE OF TIMENESS.
WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR TO PRESENT CAT'S PAW TO YOU.
THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT IN PUD MODIFICATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE ANNEXATION FROM LATE MARCH.
IT'S GOING OBVIOUSLY FROM MIXED-USE IN MOBILE HOME, WHICH IS IN THE COUNTY PROPERTY TO MARINE INDUSTRIAL AND PUD.
PREVIOUS CAT'S PAW MODIFICATIONS IN GENESIS OF THE PROJECT WAS 2005, ORDINANCE 2005-02, AND ORDINANCE 2017-34.
YOU HEARD THAT MARCH 27TH CITY COMMISSION, WHICH WERE THE ANNEXATION PORTIONS OF THIS, AND THEN OF COURSE, JUNE 6 WAS PCP.
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SO WE HAD THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, THE PUD, THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY, AND THEN PCP GRANTED A WAIVER, WHICH WE REALLY DON'T EVEN NEED TO REQUEST IT JUST THEY HAD EVERYTHING ANSWERED FOR THE SECOND PCP HEARING, WHICH IS THE MATTER OF THE PROCESS.WE HAD FOUR ITEM VOTED ON AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS APPROVAL ON ALL FRONTS.
THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION IS 43,000 PLUS OR MINUS SQUARE FEET.
OUR PROPOSAL IS TO ADD 30,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS OR MINUS FOR A TOTAL OF 73,300 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDINGS AND IMPROVEMENTS.
THE PROPOSED USES INCLUDE OBVIOUSLY A BOAT STORAGE BUILDING, EFFECTIVELY KNOWN AS THE BOAT BARN, WE CALL IT, PARKING, SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAY, LANDSCAPING.
THEY USE IS DUE COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING BOAT STORAGE BUILDING.
IT IS WORKING WATERFRONT AMENITIES, RESTAURANTS, RESTROOM FACILITIES ARE UNDERWAY.
THE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ZONING AND SURROUNDING USES AND THERE ARE NO WETLAND IMPACTS.
HERE'S THE AERIAL ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAT'S PAW PROPERTY.
HERE IS THE SURVEY. THIS IS WHAT MS. SKINNER PRESENTED TO YOU.
THIS SHOWS THE 0.9 ACRE ANNEXATION PARCEL, AND THEN COLORED IS THE TOTAL CAT'S PAW PROPERTY.
IN GRAPHIC FORM, THIS IS HOW IT'S REPRESENTED.
YOU SEE THE ANNEX PARCEL HERE.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THEN OF COURSE THE PUD SO WE'VE GOT OPEN LAND, MARINE INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN WHAT WAS THE COUNTY PROPERTY TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
THEN SURROUNDING THAT IN THE RED THERE THAT IS THE ACTUAL HOME DEPOT RIGHT THERE, THE BUILDING IN THE VIEW AND THEIR STORMWATER POND, BUT IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIGGER SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING TARGET.
THESE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS.
WE HAVE THE ANNEX PARCEL AND THEN OUR DEVELOPMENT IN THE PUD, AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE MUCH MORE LAND THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FOR IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IT DOES GO OUT INTO THE MARSH LAND, WHICH IS PROTECTED BY OPEN LAND IN OTHER VARIOUS ELEMENTS RELATED TO THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY.
THIS IS THE FEMA FLOOD MAP, AND YOU CAN SEE OUR ANNEX PARCEL HAS JUST A TINY PORTION, MAYBE A FIFTH OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY THAT IS ACTUALLY IN A DESIGNATED FLOODPLAIN.
THEN OUR PUD THIS IS THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING PORTION OF IT, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY ATTACHED TO A SITE PLAN.
YOU SEE THE SECOND BOAT BARN AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ITS TRADDLES BOTH JURISDICTION PREVIOUSLY, MAINLY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
FOR MORE OF A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TOTALITY FOR FUTURE PERMITTING, WE'D LIKE IT IN ONE JURISDICTION.
HERE'S A GRAPHIC FORM OF THAT AS WELL.
THE ORANGE IS THE ANNEX PARCEL AND THAT IS WHAT IS IN WAS PREVIOUSLY ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO BE ANNEXED INTO CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
THEN THE BLUE IS WHAT MS. SKINNER TALKED ABOUT THAT WILL REMAIN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, INCLUDING THE ROADWAY AND CUSTOMARY HISTORIC ACCESS TO THE PARCELS TO THE NORTH OF US THEN THE STRIP THAT LINKS TO THE GFR PARCELS AND OTHER ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND.
THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT I CREATED BASED ON THE CODE AVAILABLE FOR THE CONSERVATION OVERLAYS ONE, TWO, AND THREE OVER THE PROPERTY.
ONE IS REALLY ALL THE MARSH LAND.
NUMBER 2 IS ANYTHING 100 FEET FROM THAT MARSHY AREA INWARD.
THEN NUMBER 3 IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE OVERALL BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS AND PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
HERE ARE THE CONSERVATION ZONE CONSIDERATIONS AND WE WENT OVER THERE, IS THAT PCP, THEY FACTOR CRITERIA IN DIFFERENT THINGS, CONDITION OF THE TREE, PROXIMITY, EXISTING TREES IN THE AREA VERSUS OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO A THROUGH G ARE THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSERVATION ZONE 3.
HERE'S OUR WORKING ARBORIST AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE MAP.
THIS WAS WALKING IN THE FIELD, TAKING AN ASSESSMENT, DOING MEASUREMENTS.
THIS TRANSLATED TO WHICH I PROVIDED PCP AND THEN WE FOLLOW IT UP WITH A GRAPHIC FORM IS IN COLOR, AND THIS IS OUR CONSERVATION OVERLAY AS IT RELATES TO THE IMPACT OF TREES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BOAT BARN AND WHAT WE'RE PUTTING BACK WITH THE LANDSCAPE CODE.
HERE'S THE MANATEE PROTECTION PLAN AND MANAGEMENT PLAN.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER BLONDER WAS A KEY ON THIS.
ON MARCH 27TH, SHE MENTIONED IT, BUT WE WILL HAVE MANATEE EDUCATION FOR ALL MEMBERS OPERATING OUR VESSELS.
ADDITIONAL AND UPDATED MANATEE SIGNAGE AROUND THE MARINA FACILITIES, DOCS, AND PARTS OF IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DO HAVE CAMERAS TO MONITOR FOR SECURITY AND OF COURSE, THAT DOES INCLUDE STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE RULES OF MARINA INCLUDING MANATEES.
THAT IS ESTABLISHED FWC FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION, NO WAKE ZONE AND MANATEES ZONES IN THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER AND TRIBUTARIES THAT FEED INTO THE MARINA SPACE.
HERE'S AN ARTIST ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OF THE BUILDING AS IMPROVED.
YOU SEE IT'S ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING BOAT BARN UP THERE, MAKES AN L SHAPE, IF YOU WILL.
BUT IT IS ATTACHED TO IT, AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN CONTEXT OF THE OTHER MASSING AND FORMS OF THE BUILDINGS ABUTTING THE PROPERTY, BOTH HOME DEPOT AND THE OTHER MARINE USES JUST TO OUR WEST.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MS. SKINNER PROVIDED AT
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THE MARCH 27TH MEETING TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.YOU CLEARLY SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE THE GRAPHIC HERE IT SAYS, THE VALUE TO THE CITY WAS NOTHING PREVIOUSLY.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR AFTER IMPROVED $53,923 PLUS OR MINUS OBVIOUSLY, IT NEEDS AN EVALUATION, A TRUE VALUATION, BUT THIS IS AN ESTIMATED IMPACT TO THE CITY PORTION OF TAXES.
THE PROPOSED USE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHARACTER AND CUSTOMER USE OF THE WORKING WATERFRONT IN MARINA DEVELOPMENT, IN THE AREA AND SURROUNDINGS.
THIS REPRESENTS AN EXTENSION OF EXISTING USE AND CREATES A MORE DESIRABLE ENVIRONMENT WITH BETTERMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS.
ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE AND APPROPRIATE USE WITH BENEFITS OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND IT'S RESIDENTS.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OF MR. WESTER? ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMENTS.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES. I'M SORRY.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I WROTE DOWN. IT'S CURIOUS TO ME.
YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT A RESTAURANT IN THE PUD, BUT ON ANY OF THE DRAWINGS, I DON'T REALLY SEE SPECIFICALLY WHERE IT IS IN THE PRESENTATION DRAWINGS.
I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING, AND I DID HEAR THE DISCUSSION.
I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT.
>> YEAH. IF I CAN GET BACK TO THE SCREEN.
>> FROM THE PUD. SHOW ME ON THE AERIAL.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO SEE IT.
>> AT THAT LEVEL GRADE THING RIGHT THERE.
>> THE RESTAURANT. YEAH. IT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. IT'S BEING BUILT.
THAT IS A WATERFRONT RESTAURANT.
IT'S CANTILEVERED OVER THE THE MARSHY AREA, BUT IT'S PERMITTED.
WE'VE ASKED FOR A SLIGHT INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. HERE YOU GO.
THANK YOU, MY ASSISTANT. IT IS CANTILEVERED OVER THE MARSH THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE BETTERMENTS FOR OUTDOOR ELEMENTS THAT AREN'T ASSOCIATED WITH RESTAURANT.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS, FOLKS THAT COME THERE OFF OF A DAY ON THE BOAT, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO PARTAKE IN THE RESTAURANT PER SE.
THEY MAY WANT TO ENJOY AND USE THE FACILITIES AND THE RESTROOMS. SO WE'VE HAD TO GROW THAT ELEMENT OF IT TO BE MORE OF A MIXED USE, IN THE DECKING AREA, IN THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
THEN OF COURSE, THE ADA RAMPS THAT FEED INTO THE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION ZONES ON AT GRADE.
THERE WAS A SLIGHT TICK UP IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS CORRECTED THAT IN THE PUD TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IN THE BUILDING PLANS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT.
BUT THAT IS THE RESTAURANT THERE AND WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT USE.
IT IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY, NOT JUST MEMBERS THAT USED THE FACILITY.
>> WELL, I DO LIKE THAT IT'S BRINGING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE FACILITY AND WILL REMAIN OPEN.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IS THERE OUTDOOR DINING INCLUDED IN THE PLAN?
>> YES, THERE IS. IT'S GENERALLY LET'S SEE IF WE'VE GOT A BETTER RENDERING OF THAT.
YOU CAN SEE THE SEATING OUT THERE, IT'S REALLY KIND OF A COVERED OUTDOOR AREA ALONG THE DECKING, BUT YES, IT IS OUTDOOR AND INDOOR, SO TO ACCOMMODATE FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE IN FLIP-FLOPS AND BOARD SHORTS FROM A DAY ON THE WATER.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, REALLY TO MAINTAIN CUSTOMARY.
IT GENERALLY WAS A SHIP STORE AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, BUT WE FELT THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE FOR CUSTOMARY ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC TO THE WATERWAY AND A RESTAURANT WAS.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE INCREASED THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE SLIGHTLY AND THEN THE CHANGE THEY USE TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TO USE THAT FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO JUST MANAGEMENT AND OPERATIONS FOR THE MARINA.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY PROVISIONS FOR OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC?
NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYTHING IN THERE, ANY PROVISIONS FOR OUTDOOR MUSIC.
WE WOULD ADHERE TO WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
>> USUALLY IN A PUD WE ASK AND IT IS GRANTED.
ESPECIALLY IN A CITY LIKE THIS THAT WE'VE LEARNED THAT THE WATER TENDS TO AMPLIFY DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS AT THE TIME, NOW WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, BUT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AROUND YOU, BUT I'M WONDERING IN THE FUTURE, THERE MAY BE, ARE YOU AMENDABLE TO THE IDEA OF LIMITING OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC?
>> WELL, SURE, I DO BELIEVE WE ENVISION SOME MUSIC TO BE PLAYED THERE,
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IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY LIGHT INSTRUMENTATION.THE FIRST AND FOREMOST ELEMENT IS A RESTAURANT, BUT AS WE SEE A LOT OF OUTDOOR RESTAURANTS, THEY DO HAVE, SOMETIMES ONE OR TWO MUSICIANS.
>> THEY TURN INTO BARS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THIS IS NOT A NIGHTCLUB, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE BEING OPEN UNTIL THE WEE HOURS A NIGHT JUST FOR THE MUSIC SAKE, THERE IS AN AMBIANCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS IS WE ARE ON THE WATER'S EDGE AND THERE ISN'T RESIDENTIAL AROUND THERE, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL ONCLAVE HERE THAT'S EXISTING.
>> BUT WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS ORIENTED OUT TOWARDS THE WATERWAY, AND THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING ACROSS FROM US.
THEN THIS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY JUST PURCHASED ALL OF THIS AS DOCUMENTED BY FIRST $17 MILLION AND SO THAT IS ALSO GOING TO BE A BOAT RAMP AND PUBLIC PARK IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
SO THERE ISN'T ANY THREAT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ENCROACHING ON THIS THAT COULD PROVIDE A NUISANCE FOR ANY MUSIC, BUT WE'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY LATER ON AFTER IT'S ESTABLISHED TO MAYBE MODIFY THAT TO INCLUDE HOURS OF OPERATIONS BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
>> WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IDEALLY SINCE ITS FIRST READING, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE SECOND READING AND I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A SECOND READING AND FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME LIMITATIONS.
MAYBE YOU DO WANT TO DO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC, BUT MAYBE A LIMITATION AS FAR AS HOURS GO.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE COMMONLY IN THE PAST, IT'S HELPED DELIVERABILITY OF THE CITY.
>> MADAM MAYOR, THIS IS NOT A HUGE BUILDING.
>> HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT?
>> 2,500 PLUS OR MINUS, TOTAL, INDOOR AND OUTDOOR.
>> THAT'S LIKE A SIZE OF A HOUSE, SO MAYBE ACOUSTICAL MUSIC, SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO COVER THAT MUCH AREA.
>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S A RESTAURANT, ANY MUSIC THAT'S THERE WOULD BE COMPLETELY ACCESSORY AND ANCILLARY TO THE RESTAURANT AND YES, IT PROVIDES A NICE AMBIANCE, BUT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
IF WE NEED TO ADD THAT, WE WILL DO THAT.
>> SEE WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT HEARINGS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
I KNOW YOU DO HAVE A COMMENT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.
WE HAD THE PARKS IN REC DEPARTMENT PRESENT AT GUAN AND SO TODAY, AND THAT IS GOING TO BECOME WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO CALL IT A WORLD-CLASS BOAT RAMP, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRAILERS AND BOATS COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT SPACE.
THE ADVANTAGE TO ALLOWING ANOTHER BARN IS THAT THAT TAKES ANOTHER TRAILER AND ANOTHER CAR OFF THE ROAD, WELL, NOT A CAR BUT ANOTHER TRAILER.
I LIVE AROUND THE PEANUT IN MAY STREET.
NOW, BOATS AND TRAILERS ARE A PROBLEM, SO THE MORE WE CAN DO TO HELP TAKE THOSE BOATS OFF THE ROAD IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT THAT BOAT RAMP GOING IN THERE ON 312 IS GOING TO BE A NEW PROBLEM FOR TRAFFIC.
>> I HAD A QUESTION. DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET THAT COUNTY PURCHASED FOR $17 MILLION?
>> I SHOULD KNOW THAT AND I DON'T OFFHAND, IT'S IN MY FILE SOMEWHERE.
>> I'M LOOKING AT YOUR BUILDING AND YOU'RE LESS THAN.
>> WE ARE 9.9 TOTAL, THE IMPROVEMENTS PLUS THE ANNEX PARCEL?
>> IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE MORE THAN EIGHT ACRES, JUST LOOKING AT IT.
>> A LOT OF IT'S MARSH AND THEY PLAN ON BUILDING A PARK.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] THE TRUE USABLE AREA IS A LOT LESS BECAUSE OF THE MARGIN THAT PRESERVES IN THE WETLANDS, BUT YOU CAN SEE INDICATIVE OF THE TREES.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I DID TALK TO PARKS AND REC AS WELL, I'VE TALKED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, NATHAN ORDER, AND THEY ARE LETTING THAT OUT FOR A DESIGN FIRM.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO AN RFP TO DO THE DESIGN, BUT THEY'VE GOT PASSIVE TRAIL SYSTEMS, SOME MODEST IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE, BUT MAINLY ALL FOCUSED AROUND THE RAMP, AND SO IT'LL BE A BOAT RAMP AND THEN PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH, AND 312 WILL BE THEIR MAIN ACCESS AND THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH FDOT ON THAT.
WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THEM JUST TO SEE HOW THAT FITS INTO CAT'S PAW, AS AN ABIDING ADJACENT NEIGHBOR AND SO TO BE CONTINUED BECAUSE THEY JUST HAVE NAPKIN SKETCHES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YET, IT'S JUST A WISHLIST AND SO IT'S ALL GOING OUT TO RFP SOON.
>> LET'S GO BACK. COMMISSIONER BLONDER.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO APPLAUD THE PCB FOR REQUESTING THAT YOU USE NATIVE PLANTS IN YOUR LANDSCAPING
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AND I SEE THAT YOU'VE INCORPORATED THAT, SO I APPRECIATE IT.SECONDLY, I AM RELUCTANT TO APPROVE ANYTHING THAT HAS ASPHALT PARKING.
I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF PERMEABLE PAVERS AND ESPECIALLY AS IT THAT'S A WETLAND AREA.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT REQUEST KNOWN FOR OUR SECOND READING ON THIS.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONER GARRIS.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF POINTS TO COME BACK AND WITH THAT SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ORDINANCE 2023-18, THE ANNEXATION.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE GO BACK TO STAFF. NO? OKAY.
>> I PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-18.
>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-18 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 0.90 ACRES OF PROPERTY NOW LOCATED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, LYING WEST OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT REFERRED TO AS THE CAT'S PAW MARINA, NORTH OF NIX BOAT YARD ROAD, SOUTHERN WEST OF THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVERINE ENVIRONMENT AS DESCRIBED HEREIN.
REDEFINING THE BOUNDARY LINES OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE TO INCLUDE SAID PROPERTY, AMENDING SECTION 1.04 OF THE CHARTER LAWS OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR FILING OF A COPY HEREOF WITH THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, WITH THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA AND WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY CODE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. MOVING ON TO ORDINANCE 2023-19, WHICH IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-19.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MADAM, ATTORNEY READ IT REAL LOUD.
>> YES THIS IS TO SET IT FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-19, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.90 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF NIX BOAT YARD ROAD AS A PORTION OF THE GW PROPAL GRAND ADJACENT TO THE CAT'S PAW MARINA DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY MIXED-USE DISTRICT TO A CITY DESIGNATION OF MARINA INDUSTRIAL.
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. ORDINANCE 2023-20, DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-20 ON FIRST READING.
>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-20 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 0.90 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF NIX BOAT YARD ROAD AS A PORTION OF THE GW PER PAUL GRANT ADJACENT TO THE CAT'S PAW MARINA DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTIAL MANUFACTURED MOBILE HOME, RNH, TO THE CITY CLASSIFICATION OF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD.
THIS INCLUDES THE AMENDING AND RECONSTITUTING OF THE EXISTING CAT'S PAW MARINA PUD INCORPORATING THE PROPERTY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MOVING ON TO ITEM 9A4. MR. FRANKLIN, YOU'RE HERE TO EXPLAIN ORDINANCE 2023-21. WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, RUBEN FRANKLIN [NOISE] TONIGHT WE HAVE FIRST READING FOR A PROPOSAL TO
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RENAME NAME AND UNNAMED ALLEYWAY THAT IS LOCATED BETWEEN CINCINNATI AVENUE AND ROADIE.WE SENT OUT 37 CERTIFIED LETTERS TO ALL OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE RECEIVED SEVEN SURVEYS BACK.
FIVE WERE IN FAVOR OF THE RENAMING, AND TWO WERE OPPOSED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS, STARTING WITH MR. SPRINGFIELD?
>> THIS IS ONE THAT I REQUESTED AND BECAUSE I WAS APPROACHED BY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AND I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN AMOUNT OF RESPONSE WE GOT BACK SEVEN OUT OF 30 SOMETHING IS STRANGE.
I DID DRIVE IT TODAY AND I WROTE THE ALLEY ON MY BIKE TO LOOK FOR THE AIRBNB COMPLAINT AND I COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO DON'T HAVE AN AIRBNB AND NOBODY WAS HOME, SO I COULDN'T COMPLETE MY RESEARCH.
BUT IF THE COMMISSION WISHES TO EXTEND THIS, I COULD DEFINITELY DO MORE RESEARCH AND GET MORE INPUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED, AND I'D DO THAT AMOUNT.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON IT IF I CAN DO ANYTHING [OVERLAPPING]
>> I RIDE MY BIKE THROUGH THERE REGULARLY AND I FOUND MYSELF IN PASSING THAT ALLEY THINKING THAT THE SIGNAGE AND THE NAMES WERE REALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR OUR CITY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
ALL OF OUR SUBDIVISIONS ARE NAMED AFTER SOMEBODY, OUR STREETS ARE NAMED AFTER TREES OR SOMETHING OF SOME SIGNIFICANCE.
I THINK THAT THE NAME LOVE ALLIE IS CAPRICIOUS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT JUSTIFICATION THERE COULD BE FOR THAT NAME.
I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
>> LOVE LANE, JUST TO BE MORE CLEARER.
>> I TOO FEEL THAT THE NAME IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T MIND NAMING THE STREET, I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.
BUT I THINK WE COULD BE MORE HISTORIC, MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE COMPLAINTS WERE.
>> THEY'RE IN HERE. NINE, FOUR.
>> WELL, ONE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE AROUND THAT IT WAS EVER IN SUMMARY, ADVERTISEMENT FOR AN AIRBNB.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONERS SPRINGFIELD WAS GETTING, NOT EVEN LOOKING FOR THAT.
THE LAST ONE WAS ABOUT THE NAMING AND THE HISTORICAL, MOST STREETS HAVE SOME CONTEXTS THEIR NAME AND IF IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT.
>> IT CURRENTLY DOESN'T HAVE A NAME AT ALL?
>> IT'S AN UNNAMED ALLEY, YES.
>> I DO WANT TO WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT.
>> AS FAR AS NAMING GOES, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE PROCESS.
>> YES, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS.
>> WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS, ONE.
TWO I BELIEVE THE COMP PLAIN STILL DOES SAY WE HAVE SOME NAMES.
WE'D LIKE TO NAME THEM AFTER HISTORICAL PLACES AT ONE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE UPDATED THAT AND REMOVE THAT PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
BUT AS I RECALL, IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ELEMENT WHEN WE RENAME STREETS, WE TRY TO USE HISTORICAL NAMES.
IT'S NOT A MANDATORY, IS IT STILL IN THERE?
>> I'D HAVE TO CHECK, WE DID UPDATE THE COMP PLAN MAYBE FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. I'M NOT SURE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MADE IT THROUGH.
>> I NOW KNOW AS THE INTENT AT ONE TIME AND I KNOW IT'S QUITE COMMON.
I DEFINITELY DON'T OBJECT TO THE NAME LOVE.
I THINK THE CITY IS, HAS A QUIRKINESS TO IT AND FUN THINGS HAPPEN LIKE NAMING STREETS AFTER LOVE.
BUT THAT SAID, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WITHDRAW AND BRING US BACK MORE INFORMATION IF YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT THIS IS WHEN INDEED BE NAMING A BUSINESS
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FOR A BUSINESS OR MUCH AS WHEN I'M ASSUMING THIS IS THE ACCUSATION.>> JUST SO YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ANOTHER SUGGESTED NAME WAS SLOW.
>> THERE WERE SOME HUMOR [LAUGHTER].
>> I DON'T MIND AT ALL. I'LL DO SOME RESEARCH AND I CAN CONTACT MORE PEOPLE AND I'M SURE THAT THE STAFF WOULD DO THAT AS WELL.
>> I THINK SHE WANTED TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
THERE'S ANOTHER SIGN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH AND IT'S ALSO THERE IT'S EIGHT LEGS ROW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING ANYMORE THAN LOVE LANE DOES, BUT I THINK JUST THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY HAS PUT SIGNS ON THERE THAT AREN'T OFFICIAL IS A LITTLE TROUBLESOME TO ME.
IT CONFUSED ME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A REALLY NAME STREET OR NOT.
WHEN I GO BY THERE AND I JUST THINK THE SETS A PRECEDENT THAT I DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
>> WELL, WE HAVE AN OFFER TO WITHDRAWAL AND RE-APPROACH.
>> THE EIGHT LEGS LANE HAS TO DO WITH A MURAL THAT IS LOCKED UP, PUT ON THE BACK OF A GARAGE.
>> THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM.
>> I'M SURE THERE'S SO MANY STORIES.
WHAT WOULD BREEZE THE PROCEDURE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TABLE THIS.
>> YOU CAN CONTINUE THIS TO A TIME UNCERTAIN AND WE WILL JUST RESCHEDULE FIRST READING WHEN WE RECEIVE SOME MORE RESEARCH AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE FUTURE ON THAT. THANK YOU.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO 9B RESOLUTION 2023-19, WHICH IS NOT IN OUR PACKET.
>> YES. I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S ON THE DESK HERE AND IF WE HAVE AUDIO VISUALS, MAYBE WE COULD, DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF IT? WE CAN PUT IT UP ON THE, YES, MA'AM.
I THINK THE SUBSTANTIAL PART OF IT IS IF YOU WANT TO DO THE PRESENTATION.
>> YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT ONTO THE AGENDA IN THE FORM OF ITEM 14A.
THEN THAT SPURRED ME TO, WELL, IT WAS A SERIES OF EMAILS ACTUALLY THAT I THINK PROBABLY ALL OF US RECEIVED FROM MR. HUNTER MILLER OF THE ORGANIZATION OCEANA, WHICH IS A NON-PROFIT PROTECTING OCEAN ENVIRONMENTS.
I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING HIS REQUEST FOR A LETTER TO COME FROM THIS COMMISSION TO PRESIDENT BIDEN IN OPPOSITION TO OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING IN THE PROCESS OF THIS CONVERSATION, AND I HAD ASKED OUR CITY CLERK, MS. GALAMBOS, TO PRODUCE THE LETTER THAT MR. HUNTER MILLER HAD DRAFTED FROM OCEANA AND SENT TO ME TO JUST HAVE THAT AT OUR DISPOSAL.
SHE WENT AHEAD AND PRODUCED A VERY NICE RESOLUTION, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE WHERE WE ARE.
BUT I DID NOT WANT TO STEP ON THE MAYOR'S FEET IN GETTING THIS ON THE AGENDA AT ALL.
I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, MAYBE WE BRING IT BACK.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS MIGHT BE, BUT I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF SENDING A LETTER THAT WOULD NOT BE A NEW THING FOR THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE COMMISSION AS THERE HAVE BEEN TWO SUCH LETTERS SENT IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, I THINK. MS. GALAMBOS.
>> IN 2010, WE PASSED A RESOLUTION IN OPPOSITION OF OFFSHORE DRILLING AND IN 2015 IT WAS ANTI-FRACKING.
THIS ONE BASICALLY OUTLINES THE SAME POSITION, BUT JUST OPPOSES ANY NEW OFFSHORE DRILLING WITH THEIR FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW.
>> IT WAS REQUESTED ME TO GO BACK BY MR. MILLER TO FILL OUT THIS FORM AND SIGN ON TO OPPOSITION, NOTIFYING THE PRESIDENT OF OUR OPPOSITION.
BUT YOU WENT A STEP FURTHER AND DID AN ACTUAL RESOLUTION.
>> THAT'S WHAT THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.
WE CAN ACTUALLY [LAUGHTER] CONFER AND DO THE PROCESS THAT MAKES THINGS EFFICIENT AND SMOOTH BUT HERE WE ARE [OVERLAPPING]
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>> BUT IN MY OPINION, IT'S ALL MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IT'S JUST GETTING BETTER AND BETTER.
>> CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT?
>> I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
>> AS LONG AS IT INCLUDES A MOTION.
>> YES AND IT WILL INCLUDE A MOTION AT THE END OF IT.
I HAD THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY, AS I OFTEN DO DURING THE SUMMER, TO USE MY FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE AND LEAVE MY HOME OFFICE AND GO OUT ON THE OCEAN THIS MORNING.
I WAS SURROUNDED BY DOLPHINS THE ENTIRE HOUR I WAS OUT THERE WITH MY HUSBAND, WHICH WAS WONDERFUL.
IT OCCURRED TO ME WHEN I CAME BACK TO MY OFFICE AND WAS GOING OVER THE AGENDA AND LOOKING AT THIS LETTER FROM MR. MILLER, HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE.
I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
THAT BRINGS TO BEAR THE RATIONALE FOR SUPPORTING THIS OPPOSITION TO NEW LEASES FOR OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS CITY WOULD BE HERE AT ALL IF IT WEREN'T FOR OUR OCEAN ENVIRONMENT.
OUR FIRST SETTLERS OF PREHISTORIC IN THE LAND HAVE ALWAYS DEPENDENT ON THE OCEAN.
WE DEPEND ON THE OCEAN FOR OUR ECONOMY, FOR OUR PEACE OF MIND, FOR REGENERATION, FOR SO MANY THINGS.
I JUST THINK THIS WAS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY REFLECT ON THAT AND TO SUPPORT THIS LETTER AND THIS RESOLUTION.
>> OKAY THEN, WE HAVE A MOTION.
>> MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
[10.A. Final report by consultants, Brooks and Scarpa, on 450 North Holmes Boulevard. (R. Franklin, Assistant City Manager)]
AND THIS IS OUR FINAL REPORT BY OUR CONSULTANTS BROOKS AND SCARPA, ON THE HOLMES BOULEVARD PROPERTY. MR. FRANKLIN.>> YES. GOOD EVENING. I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE MR. HUBER AND MR. BURKE ARE HERE FROM BROOKS AND SCARPA, WHO WILL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION.
>> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU AND WELCOME BACK.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU HAD THE FULL FINAL REPORT, BUT I AM GIVING AN ABRIDGED PRESENTATION TONIGHT OF ABOUT 20 SLIDES.
IT'S REALLY TO JUST BE A COMPENDIUM WITH WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AND THEN JUST PULLING IT FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION REQUESTED, WHICH WAS A REPORT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT THE CHARRETTE INVOLVED, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE CHARRETTE, WHO PARTICIPATED IN IT, AS WELL AS WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD OF THE LAST PRESENTATION, THE THREE OPTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THERE, AND THEN PRESENTING THE FINAL SITE PLAN TONIGHT, SO THANK YOU.
JUST SOME OF THE CHARRETTE OVERVIEW AND OUTCOMES, WE DID HAVE THAT CHARRETTE ON THE 20TH OF MARCH 2023.
IT WAS A FIVE-HOUR WORKSHOP IN THIS ROOM WHERE WE DIDN'T LET ANYBODY LEAVE UNTIL WE [LAUGHTER] ACTUALLY HAD THREE GREAT SOLUTIONS.
THERE WAS A LOT MORE, BUT WITH ANY CHARRETTE, AS YOU KNOW, ONCE PEOPLE GOT THE FIRST PRESENTATION OR THE FIRST HOUR, WE PROBABLY HAD ABOUT HALF OF THEM LEAVE THE ROOM AND THEN THE OTHER 42 STUCK IT OUT AND SHARED THAT FOUR-HOUR BLOCK AND ULTIMATELY THE THREE GROUPS AND THE THREE SCHEMES THAT WERE PRESENTED.
IN THAT ROOM, THERE WAS TWO NON-PROFITS, THERE WAS FIVE ARCHITECTS, THREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS, THERE WAS FIVE MARKET RATE DEVELOPERS, AS WELL AS FOUR COUNTY AND FOUR CITY OFFICIALS.
IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD COLLECTION OF FOLKS AS WELL AS ONE HOSPITAL ORGANIZATION.
THIS ARE JUST SOME OF THE NAMES OF SOME OF THOSE PARTICIPANTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CARRY FORWARD.
AGAIN, THESE WERE JUST SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT DAY OF THE CHARRETTE ITSELF, AND JUST THE ROOM AND THE ACTION SHOTS THAT WE GOT IN THOSE ROOMS. I BELIEVE THESE ARE THE THREE SKETCHES THAT WE DID PRESENT LAST TIME THAT REALLY CAME ULTIMATELY OUT OF THE SKETCH.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE WAS A DEVELOPER TABLE, THERE WAS AN ARCHITECTS TABLE, AND THERE WAS A PLANNERS TABLE, SO IT WAS INTERESTING.
I WOULD BEG YOU TO GUESS WHICH ONE WAS WHICH.
BUT REALLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS, SOME OF THE ASPECTS, AND SOME OF THE QUALITIES THAT COULD COME OUT OF THIS 82-AND-A-HALF ACRE SITE, AND OF WHICH YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS ABOUT 27 ACRES THAT'S REALLY DEVELOPABLE UPON THAT SITE.
JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THE WETLANDS ON THOSE WETLANDS, WE'RE ASSUMING A 50-FOOT CONTIGUOUS BUFFER AROUND THOSE.
JUST TO GO AHEAD AND PROTECT THAT, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF HERITAGE OR LEGACY TREES ON THE SITE.
THE FINAL SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TONIGHT, REALLY LOOKED AT EXPLORING AT LEAST THE PRESERVATION OF ABOUT 70% OF THOSE.
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I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH ON SOME OF THAT.BUT THIS WAS ULTIMATELY THE THREE SCHEMES.
OPTION A, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE ARCHITECTS, GREG AND I, SO WE COME UP WITH CUTE NAMES LIKE BARS AND COURTS SCHEME, WHICH WAS THAT FIRST ONE.
OPTION B WAS POINTS AND LINES.
OPTION C, THE GREENSWARD SCHEME.
WHICH WAS AN INTERESTING STRATEGY ON OPTION C WE SAW BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THIS CREATED AN ENCLAVE OF DEVELOPING AROUND A PARK, AROUND A GREEN SPACE.
THAT SEEMED TO INTERESTING ESPECIALLY WITH HOW THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE IS FOUNDED ON A PLAZA, AND SO THIS NOTION OF THINKING THROUGH THOSE THREE OPTIONS AND DEVELOPING THEM.
IN THE CHARRETTE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTICIPANTS MENTIONED A LOT OF THINGS.
ONE, ABOUT THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS CAME TO THAT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SEE ON THAT SITE, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE WETLANDS.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSION WHEN WE WERE HERE PRESENTING LAST TIME, IS THAT CURRENTLY THOSE SKETCHES DID NOT SHOW A LOT OF HOW DID THE OPEN SPACE WORK.
WHAT WAS THE TRAILS, OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN INTEGRATE IN THERE? THAT WAS SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE THOUGHT FOR SURE NEEDED TO BE DEVELOPED PAST THE CHARRETTE DATE.
BUT THEN TWO, WE WERE LOOKING AT PARKING AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING.
THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT HOW DO WE PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT ON THAT DAY THAT REALLY WEREN'T QUITE BAKED INTO THOSE PREVIOUS SKETCHES THAT I WAS SHOWING YOU.
BUT ALSO THE ACTIVITIES, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO READ EACH ONE OF THESE IN PARTICULAR, I'M JUST SHOWING THEM HERE.
BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EVEN TRANSIT AND HAVING MASS TRANSIT.
BIKING WAS A HUGE POSSIBILITY AND ESPECIALLY WALKING AND MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS SAFE TO GET TO DOWNTOWN.
FEW OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE IN THE CHARRETTE, ACTUALLY WERE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY AND MENTIONED THAT, THAT THEIR JOBS WERE IN DOWNTOWN AND HOW WOULD THEY GET BACK.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT 450 HOLMES BOULEVARD BEING ABOUT TWO-AND-A-HALF MILES FROM DOWNTOWN PROPER AND HOW DO WE WORK THROUGH THAT.
FROM THAT CHARRETTE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE PRESENTED THE LAST TIME WAS THESE DIAGRAMS THAT JUST BEGAN TO HARD LINE AND RESOLVE OR COME TO SOME RESOLUTION ON SOME OF THESE.
I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION DID ASK THAT THERE WAS A REAL LACK OF PARKING AND THE LOOK OF PARKING OR WHERE WAS PARKING IN SOME OF THESE SCHEMES, SO WE WENT BACK AND TOOK THESE THREE OPTIONS AND JUST BEGAN TO DEVELOP THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY.
IN THIS OPTION YOU ARE SEEING THAT BARS AND COURTS SCHEME, WHERE WE'RE SHOWING WHERE SOME OF THAT PARKING AND SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS WOULD GO.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WAS 400 UNITS OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING IN EACH ONE OF THESE PROPOSALS.
I THINK IRONICALLY, THE ARCHITECTS PROPOSAL MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE SHY OF 400, BUT THAT'S OKAY, WE WILL FORGIVE THEM.
BUT WE DID TRY TO GET THAT RECONCILED AS WE DEVELOPED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THIS, I WANT TO JUST NOTE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONNECTING TO COLLIER STREET AND NOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS DURING THE SHRED ABOUT THE LAY DOWN.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT LAY DOWN FACILITY JUST, IT WILL NOT WORK FROM A USEFUL STANDPOINT AND SO WHAT WE WERE DEVELOPING AND MOVING ON, WE PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATED THAT PUBLIC WORKS LAY DOWN AREA BECAUSE THOSE USES ARE BETWEEN HOUSING, RESIDENTIAL, AND THE LAY DOWN FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS IS JUST NOT A CONFORMER OR AT LEAST NOT A COMPLIMENTARY USE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS TO THAT.
BUT THESE OVERALL REALLY SHOW ABOUT 400 UNITS.
WE ARE MAXIMIZING AND GETTING AROUND 500 PARKING SPACES IS WHAT YOU WOULD NEED.
I THINK TO COMMISSIONER BLONDER'S POINT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY COGNIZANT WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THAT IN MUCH ASPHALT OR HOW WE BEGIN TO DEVELOP IT.
IN THESE CASES, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO YOU BEGIN TO BREAK UP LARGE MATS OF ASPHALT.
THEN WE CAN USE THINGS LIKE POROUS OR PERMEABLE ASPHALTS, POROUS CONCRETE.
THE ONE CONDITION IS THIS, SITE HAS A LOT OF SAND.
SAND USUALLY IS NOT GOOD FOR PERMEABLE PAVERS AND SO THERE WOULD BE NEEDING TO BE A VACUUM SWEEPER, AND IF THE CITY HAS THAT ON THEIR MAINTENANCE STAFF.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT IF THE COUNTY HAD IT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE THERE, JUST THINK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE WISE.
BUT WE CAN GET INTO THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT THE FINAL PLAN.
THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS THE ARCHITECTS PROPOSAL, WE DID START TO LOOK AT SEVERAL LARGER BUILDINGS SITUATED AND NESTED SOMEWHAT INTO THE TREES.
THEN IN THE CENTER YOU CAN SEE THE DENSITY IS BROUGHT DOWN, THERE ARE [NOISE] SINGLE-FAMILY AS WELL AS DUPLEX UNITS OR EVEN FOURPLEX UNITS THAT ARE INTEGRATED IN THERE.
THIS REALLY BREAKS UP THAT SCALE AND THAT DENSITY, UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE WHERE IT HAD A LOT OF THESE BAR BUILDINGS OR WHAT WE REFERRED TO AS DOUBLE LOADED CORRIDOR,
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SLAB BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE PRETTY TYPICAL.KEEPING IN MIND ALL OF THESE ARE NO MORE THAN 35 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY MANDATED BASED ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
YOU CAN GO UP TO 60 FEET POTENTIALLY, BUT WE REALLY FELT COMPELLED TO KEEP IT TO 35 FEET OR THREE STORIES OR LOWER IN THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.
ONE, FIRE CODE, IT KEEPS THE BUILDINGS MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE FROM THAT STANDPOINT, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SOME CONCERNS.
JUST MOVING BACK TO THIS ONE, YOU ARE LOOKING AROUND 400 UNITS.
THEN ULTIMATELY THE GREENSWARD SCHEME, WHICH WAS AGAIN, THE ONE THAT I SAID WAS BROKEN UP ON THESE ENCLAVES WITH THE PARKS IN THE CENTER AND YOU CAN SEE PARKING INTEGRATE AROUND THAT, BUT IT ALSO BEGINS TO BREAK OUT AND SCALE IN DENSITY AS IT MOVES AWAY FROM THOSE CENTER THREE PARK SPACES OR THESE OPEN SPACES AROUND.
AGAIN TOO, THIS ONE HAD THE POTENTIAL OF BEING CONNECTED TO COLLIER STREET, WHICH WE FIGURE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK TO HAVE TWO MEANS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS ON THE SITE.
THAT JUST FROM A LOADING STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO TRAFFIC IF SOMETHING HAPPENS ON HOLMES, IT'S JUST ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA.
EACH ONE OF THESE SCHEMES ALSO INTEGRATED OTHER FUNCTIONS LIKE CLUBHOUSES AND OTHER ELEMENTS INTO THEM AND COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS, WHICH WAS PART OF THE WISH-LIST THAT WE BROUGHT TO THAT CHARRETTE.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THOSE SPECIFIC USES TONIGHT, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH THEM LAST TIME.
BUT THAT ULTIMATELY LEAD US TO THE FINAL SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PRESENT TODAY.
IT REALLY DOES SHOWCASE WHAT THE SCALE FOR 400 UNITS WOULD BE.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT THIS BEGINS TO INTEGRATE, BUT I WANT TO SPELL OUT THAT THERE'S A GRADIENT.
AGAIN, FROM THE CENTER GREENSWARD HERE IN THE MIDDLE, IT GOES AHEAD AND HAS ABOUT THREE STORY TOWNHOUSES AS WELL AS APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR GARDEN APARTMENTS AS THEY'RE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO, AND THEN BEGINS TO MOVE OUT INTO SIX PACKS, FOUR PACKS, THREE PACKS, AND THEN MOVES INTO SINGLE-FAMILY AS WELL AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
ALL OF THESE REALLY CREATE A RANGE OF DENSITIES, A RANGE OF TOPOLOGIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ESSENTIAL TO ADDRESS DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES WHETHER YOU'RE A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL WHO'S SINGLE, WHO WANT SOMEWHERE TO LIVE OR WHETHER YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR OR WHETHER YOU ARE SOMEBODY THAT'S PROGRESSED IN AGE AND JUST DOESN'T WANT TO MAINTAIN A LAWN ANYMORE, THOSE DIFFERENCE OF ELEMENTS ARE REALLY INTEGRATED IN THIS.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE INTEGRATING IS THE REST OF THE OPEN SPACE AND REALLY LOOKING AT TRAILS AND OTHER NETWORKED ACTIVITIES.
BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT CENTRAL SPACES LIKE PLAZAS AS WELL AS THIS CENTER PART OR THE CENTRAL PARK TO BECOME FEATURES.
THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT TREES ON THE SITE AND LOT OF THOSE FALL WHERE THIS GREENSWARD ELEMENT IS, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN AS WELL AS BRING THOSE BACK.
BUT WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT TREE-LINED STREETS OR ALLEYWAYS AND OTHER THINGS TO BEGIN TO BREAK UP THE MASSIVE PARKING LOTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IN THE SCHEME IS A LARGE PARKING LOT, EXCEPT FOR BEHIND THAT NORTHERN APARTMENT BUILDING.
THAT'S THE ONLY PARKING LOT WE REALLY GET INTO.
WE THINK WE CAN GET A LOT OF IT BROKEN UP, AND AGAIN, THERE'S ABOUT 500 PARKING SPACES WITH TUCK UNDER WITH OTHER MEANS OF BRINGING THAT PARKING INTO THE SITE. SO JUST TO KIND OF HIGH LEVEL, THESE ARE JUST TAGGING SOME OF THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS FISHING JETTY, A BEACH.
THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE CHARRETTE THAT PEOPLE WERE ASKING FOR, AS WELL AS AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE ALONG NORTH HOMES, YOU HAVE A TRANSPORTATION HUB, YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER, A PLAZA, AND THEN JUST SOME OF THOSE PATH AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
BUT JUST TO BREAK THIS OUT, HOUSING UNITS PER TYPE, WE HAD ABOUT 148 DOUBLE-LOADED CORRIDOR OR THESE SLAB LOGICS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU GENERALLY FIND IN A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.
WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT ABOUT 64 TOWNHOUSES, 68 GARDEN APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE ALSO REFERRED TO AS WALK UPS.
THIS IS WHERE YOU'D WOULDN'T HAVE LIKE AN ELEVATOR.
YOU WALK FROM THE OUTSIDE UP TO YOUR UNIT, WHICH THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF THAT TYPE OF TOPOLOGY IN OLD TOWN.
THERE'S ALSO ABOUT 74 DUPLEX, TRIPLEX AND WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON HERE QUAD FLEX TYPE OF UNITS.
THERE'S 34 SINGLE-FAMILY AND THEN ABOUT 24 ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
AND AGAIN, THOSE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, THESE ARE USUALLY SMALLER UNITS OF ABOUT 400-800 SQ FT THAT ARE FOR SINGLE OCCUPANCY USUALLY OR DOUBLE OCCUPANCY AT MOST.
BUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, 500 PARKING SPACES.
SO THERE'S ABOUT 80,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
IT'S NOT REALLY PROGRAM, BUT IT'S ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THAT SOUTHERN AREA WHERE YOU SEE THIS CIRCLE OR DONUT COLORED BUILDING ACCESS COMMUNITY CENTER.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS A LOT OF THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE.
ONE OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES ABOUT THIS TOO, IS WE'RE TRYING TO ORIENT THE GREENS WORD TO BE TOWARDS THE PREVAILING BREEZES.
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AND SO IT REALLY TRIES TO CREATE AND CAPTURE SOME OF THAT WIND FLOW THAT'S COMING OFF WITH SOME OF THOSE AREAS AND ALLOWING FOR WHAT WE USUALLY LIKE TO DO IN OUR ARCHITECTURE IS LET THE MOTHER NATURE GIVES US SOME FREE WORK.AND SO WITH THESE SHOULDN'T BE JUST AFFORDABLE AT THE DAY THAT WE PAY RENT OR THE DAY THAT WE PURCHASED THEM, THEY SHOULD ALSO BE AFFORDABLE TO LIVE IN PERPETUITY.
SO THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE BEGIN TO INTEGRATE PASSIVE DESIGN, PASSIVE VENTILATION, DAYLIGHTING, OTHER THINGS INTO THIS, AS WELL AS THE WAY WE'RE DESIGNING IT THIS WAY YOU CAN ALSO, IF YOU EVER WANTED TO ADD PHOTOVOLTAICS OR SOLAR PANELS, THOSE THINGS CAN BE THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE FUTURE AND REALLY INTEGRATED WELL, ESPECIALLY WITH HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE MIXED WITH THOSE AND HOW THE SUN MOVES ACROSS THE SKY OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT SINCE DOWNTOWN WAS SUCH AN OLD TOWN IS SUCH AN ICONIC LAW OF THE INDIES, SPACE ORGANIZED AROUND THAT CENTRAL PLAZA, WE WANTED TO PUT THE BLUE HERE TO SHOW YOU THE SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
BUT THAT BLUE OUTLINE, THE BLUE BOX IS ACTUALLY THE PLAZA.
AND HOW THAT PLAZA SCALES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A FAIRLY SIZABLE SITE, BUT COULD ALSO BE A WAY TO THINK ABOUT A NEW TOWN TO THE WEST THAT REALLY CAN ORGANIZE, NOT JUST FOR THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY, BUT THIS MIXED INCOME HOUSING COMMUNITY.
AND TWO, KEEPING IN MIND SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.
THESE ARE IMAGES FROM OUR CITY.
THESE ARE IMAGES OF TREE-LINED ROADS.
AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO INTEGRATE IN WHERE YOU START TO REALLY CREATE HABITAT.
A LOT OF CANOPY TREES OVER THOSE STREETS.
STREET LAW OR THE TREE-LINED STREETS AS I'M MENTIONING.
BUT YOU ALSO SEE SOME OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THINKING ABOUT THE OPEN WATER SYSTEMS, HAVING TRAILS AND OTHER FEATURES AROUND THOSE.
I CAN KEEP GOING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE PLAN.
IF YOU WANT ME TO OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS NOW, I WAS JUST GOING TO MOVE INTO NEXT STEPS RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> NEXT STEPS RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS CONTINUING TO GATHER PUBLIC FEEDBACK, DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE PLAN.
SO I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS HIS COMMENTS TONIGHT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINAL REPORT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AND OPEN TO COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CRITICAL TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT THE CITY TO APPLY FOR A PROJECT SITE PLAN REVIEW WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY BASED ON THE PREFERRED AND FINAL SITE PLAN AND THE CITY COMMISSION TO INITIATE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AT THIRD DISCRETION.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A FEW WAYS AND PASS THE MOVE FORWARD, WHICH I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TONIGHT.
BUT OPTIONS TO GO DIRECTLY INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR CREATING SOME DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGES, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
AGAIN, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS.
BUT I THINK TOO, WHAT'S GOING TO BE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS DEFINED AND WE CAN CREATE A LIST.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME HERE, BUT VISITING AFFORDABLE AND MIXED INCOME LEVEL HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAN OFFER A MODEL FOR 450 NORTH HOMES MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME CRITICAL NEXT STEPS, BUT I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMISSION HAS THE POWER TO REALLY SEE THE VISION FORWARD ON THIS.
AND THAT I WOULD JUST CAUTION ON HANDING OVER THE KEYS SOMEWHAT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD AND TRYING TO FIND THE BEST VALUE AND THE BEST TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL FOR YOU BECAUSE AS THE OLD ADAGE GOES BY THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTE STATISTIC THAT BY 2050, 80% OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT PROJECTED TO EXIST.
THIS SITE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME A MODEL FOR YOU FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
I THINK IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN YOUR FUTURE AND THAT IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND AGAIN, I COMMEND YOU AND HONOR YOU FOR BRINGING THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND DEALING WITH A CRITICAL NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. SO COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE SOME AIR?
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES AROUND THE STATE? DO YOU HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF THE STATE FOR GOING OUT AND DOING AN OUTREACH OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT?
>> SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREAT DEVELOPMENTS THAT DO INCLUSIONARY ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEGIN TO MIX AFFORDABLE WITH MARKET RATE.
HOWEVER, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S SOME REALLY SERIOUSLY GOOD PROGRAMS THAT ARE STARTING TO EMERGE NATIONALLY.
ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE MAYOR'S INSTITUTE ON CITY DESIGN.
MAYOR, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF THE MAYOR'S INSTITUTE, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO POSSIBLY EVEN BRING THIS PROJECT TO THEM.
THIS IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO SIT WITH THEM.
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BUT THE CITY OF CHICAGO IS DOING SOME TREMENDOUS NEW DEVELOPMENT PACKAGES AND REALLY FINDING WAYS TO WRITE INNOVATIVE RFQS TO GET THE RIGHT DEVELOPER TEAMS, ESPECIALLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SEEN DISINVESTMENT AND BEING DISENFRANCHISED OVER GENERATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A VOICE AT THE TABLE AND THAT THERE'S DEVELOPERS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE THE NEXT GENERATION OF DEVELOPERS.AND SO THESE ARE REALLY UNIQUE CHALLENGES THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE IN IT.
BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME PRECEDENCE AND SOME EXAMPLES OF THESE THINGS HAPPENING MORE AND MORE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT USED TO BE ADMIN SECTION.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS JUST HOUSING.
I MEAN, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE AFFORDABLE TO NURSES, TO FIREMAN, TO POLICE OFFICERS.
AND THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALSO EDUCATE OUR KIDS.
AND IF WE DO NOT PUTTING GOOD HOUSING FORWARD, THIS IS NOT THE TYPICAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS OUR GRANDPARENTS KNEW IT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE BEGIN DISCUSSION? WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, SUGGESTIONS BEING MADE.
>> COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO ON THAT. THANK YOU.
>> TO THE TEAM. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF ENCAPSULATING WHAT THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE, THE MISSING MIDDLE AND ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST REALLY HAVE A FRANK LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE AND WHY WE NEED THIS PROJECT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE PUT SO MANY SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS INTO IT.
AND ON MY AGENDA THERE'S A PAGE 251 WHERE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL FIGURE WHICH DISPLAYS A SPECTRUM OF DIFFERENT SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE FROM THE BUILT-IN TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
AND I WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO USE IT AGAIN, BUT OTHERWISE, I JUST THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF GIVING US A ROADMAP.
IT'S REALLY FORWARD THINKING AND THANK YOU.
>> AND I WOULD SAY, ABSOLUTELY, WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME A LONG WAY FROM WHAT WE SAW ON THE SPREADS.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.
WE HAVE TO TALK THOUGH. IT'S A BIG ISSUE.
BUT I CONCUR WE DO NEED A GOOD TEAM IF WE DECIDE TO GO FURTHER, WE NEED A TEAM THAT WILL HELP US DEVELOP IT THE WAY WE WANT IT DEVELOPED.
>> LET THEM SIT DOWN SO THEY CAN RELAX.
>> YOU'RE WELCOMED JUST TO TAKE A SEAT.
>> AS I MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING OUR DOLLAR VALUE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ST.
AUGUSTINE AND ALSO FOR THOSE POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES THAT LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THIS.
I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE QUALIFIED FOR SOME OF THE HOUSING IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER CITIES AND THEY'VE SEEN PRICE THEMSELVES OUT, THEY GET MARRIED, OR THEY GET A PROMOTION, AND THAT BECOMES DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEN THEY FALL IN ANOTHER WINDOW.
SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF INVESTIGATING.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING TO VISIT THE MOTHERS SO WE CAN GET SOME STATISTICS ON HOW IT REALLY DID AFFECT AND WHO IT REALLY AFFECTED SO THAT WE CAN KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET SOME VALUE OUT FOR THE CITY.
IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE GIVING THE COUNTY A GIFT IN SOME RESPECTS.
BECAUSE IT'S IN THE COUNTY AND IT CAN SERVE CITY RESIDENTS THAT ARE EMPLOYED IN THOSE INCOMES.
BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE UNLESS WE BUILD IN THOSE GUARANTEES AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN.
SO I'M ON TEAR AND TOTTERING ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND THE PLACE THAT I WOULD LIVE.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IS THAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS A VALUE FOR THAT.
NOW WE HAVE LAND VALUE AND FUTURE VALUE AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE STAGING AREA.
WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE MINERAL RIGHTS POTENTIALLY.
>> IT IS. IF YOU'RE FINISHED, I'D LIKE TO JUST GO BACK A LITTLE BIT.
I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW THE NUMBERS.
WE DID GET AN APPRAISAL ON THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, MR. BURTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROACH THAT TO SHAPE THIS DISCUSSION? BECAUSE FOR THE PEOPLE LISTENING, WHAT WE HAVE IS A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, EVERYTHING FROM THE DO-NOTHING OPTION TO THE FULL BORE FORWARD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THOSE,
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TALK ABOUT THE APPRAISAL, AND GO FROM THERE?>> WELL, I'LL START WITH SAYING I NEVER ENVISIONED TONIGHT AS BEING THE FINAL DECISION BEING MADE TONIGHT.
>> WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
>> JUST CONSIDER SOME OPTIONS.
OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION, THE DO-NOTHING OPTION IS THE FIRST OPTION YOU ALWAYS HAVE.
IT CAN REMAIN AS OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS LAY-DOWN AREA IN CONSERVATION LAND, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING USED NOW. IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL.
IF THERE'S A NEED TO FIND VALUE FOR THE TAXPAYERS INSIDE THE CITY, YOU COULD SELL THE PROPERTY AND USE THE PROCEEDS TO PUT INTO AN ACCOUNT THAT WOULD BE USED FOR INCENTIVIZING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS INSIDE THE CITY, AND SO WE'VE GOT AN APPRAISAL.
THE APPRAISAL CAME BACK THIS MORNING.
I'M SORRY, IT DIDN'T GET INTO THE PACKET. I JUST GOT IT THIS MORNING.
AT $2,180,000 APPRAISED AS IS WITH HIS CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS.
IF WE SOLD THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD NOT BE USING THAT MONEY TO BUY ANOTHER PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES DEPARTMENT LAY-DOWN AREA SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE COMPLICATIONS OF REMOVING THE ROAD-BUILDING GRAVEL AND SAND AND CONDUIT AND PIPE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE USE THIS PROPERTY FOR NOW AND WHERE CAN WE PUT THAT ON CITY PROPERTY TODAY.
THE LAST OPTION WOULD BE TO DEVELOP THE SITE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
TO START THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD GO TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WE WOULD BEGIN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY.
THIS PROPERTY IS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IT'S NOT IN THE CITY.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS JUST LIKE OUR FRIDAY MORNING REVIEW, WHERE WE WOULD PRESENT THIS SITE PLAN TO ALL THEIR DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND GET COMMENTS BACK.
THOSE COMMENTS MIGHT RESULT IN A CHANGE TO THE SITE PLAN.
BEFORE WE SHOW THIS AS AN RFP FOR DEVELOPMENT, WE'D LIKE TO GET THE COUNTY'S COMMENTS, INCLUDING WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES ARE, THE OTHER IMPACT FEES, ANY CONCURRENCY PROBLEMS, SO WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DEVELOP THE SITE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A REZONING, WHICH IS A POLITICAL DECISION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEES HERE.
IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THE RECORDATION OF A SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT WILL ENSURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PERPETUITY.
WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN SOME MINERAL RIGHTS ON THE PROPERTY SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MINE [INAUDIBLE] IN THE FUTURE IF WE NEED TO.
WE THINK THAT THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AS WELL.
THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY'S DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT PROCESS IS LONGER IN TIME-FRAME THAN THE CITY'S.
THEY'VE GOT MORE GOING ON THAN WE DO.
JUST GETTING TO THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, THEIR PCA, WHICH IS RPZB, THEIR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, TO GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE THE ZONING TAKES FAR LONGER IN THE COUNTY THAN IT DOES IN THE CITY.
THEN HAVING THAT RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ALSO TAKES LONGER.
FOR THOSE NEW AUDIENCE, WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT A YEAR OF WORK AHEAD OF ANY RFP THAT GOES OUT FOR DEVELOPERS TO LOOK AT.
I HOPE NOT. BUT I WANT TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.
WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THIS IS AN OPEN DISCUSSION, AND IT MAY RESULT IN MASSAGING OR CHANGING THE SITE PLAN A LITTLE BIT.
WE CAN HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS.
WE CAN GO ON FIELD TRIPS TO SEE PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN DONE.
SO THERE'S SOME VALUE TO THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A FAST PROCESS, AND THAT WORKS IN OUR FAVOR TO A DEGREE.
NOW, RUBEN FRANKLIN IS GOING TO BE THE CITY'S POINT OF CONTACT FROM NOW ON ON THIS.
WE ARE MEETING WITH ABILITY HOUSING THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK, I THINK.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> I HEARD A COUPLE OF NEW THINGS, OPTIONS, MAYBE NOT NEW.
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RECOMMENDATIONS TO ACTUALLY SEE THESE PROJECTS AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, I FELT THAT FALLS TO ME ON THIS SITE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT.PRESENTATIONS BY PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DO THESE OR HEARING FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE TALKING TO ABILITY.
I KNOW THERE'S MORE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY MORE.
SO THAT FALLS MORE ON THE CONCEPTS SIDE OF IT BEFORE WE GO.
THERE SEEMS TO ME THAT THOSE ARE ALL REALLY GOOD DISCUSSIONS.
ALSO THE SUGGESTION OF THE MAYOR'S INSTITUTE OF DESIGN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. I'M NOT A PART OF IT.
BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS DOWN TRACK.
WE MADE A COMMITMENT, ENOUGH OF A COMMITMENT.
WELL, MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T CALL IT A COMMITMENT, JUST TO GO TO THE STATE AND ASK FOR A SPECIAL BUDGET REQUEST WHICH WE RECEIVED TO DO THE WATER AND SANITARY SEWER, WHICH WE FEEL IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE INVESTMENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK JUST BY THAT ALONE WOULD BE A CATALYST TO SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT INVESTING IN WEST AUGUSTINE AND ITS FUTURE AND ITS ABILITY TO FLOURISH.
I'M IN WITH OPTION 5, MOVING FORWARD.
BUT I'M OPEN TO HEARING MAYBE IT CAN GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER GOING AROUND THIS TABLE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ALL FEEL.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR COMMENTS MOVING FORWARD.
>> I WANTED TO JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE PRESENTATION, BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO DO THIS PART, IS THAT REALLY CRITICAL EXTENSION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WATER AND SEWER.
REALLY OPENS UP A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXPAND OUR SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSION, AMONG OTHER THINGS.
I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL AND I AGREE WITH THE WAY YOU SET IT, IT WAS REALLY NICELY PUT.
I'M ALL IN FOR CONTINUING THIS PROCESS.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR WE HAVE A YEAR TO REALLY VET ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONCERNS.
THEN ONE OTHER, THIS MAY BE A REALLY DUMB QUESTION AND I'LL TAKE WHATEVER YOUR RESPONSE MIGHT BE, MR. CITY MANAGER.
BUT WITH REGARD TO THE LAYDOWN AREA, THE FISH ISLAND DRIVE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE THAT USED TO BE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT THE END OF IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SPACE FOR SOME OF THIS LAYDOWN OR NOT, OR IT MAKES ANY SENSE LOGISTICALLY.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
>> THAT'S THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
TO CLARIFY, WE DID GET AN APPROPRIATION FROM THE STATE.
IT'S FOR SEWER EXTENSION, FORCE MAIN EXTENSION.
THE SITES ARE ALREADY SERVED BY CITY WATER. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
THIS WOULD PROVIDE A SEWER AVAILABILITY TO ADJACENT RESIDENTS WHO WOULD BE OUTSIDE THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING HERE TO SPIN OFF BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> YES. I DEFINITELY THINK THAT EITHER WAY WE GO, I OBVIOUSLY LIKE TO SEE US BUILD IT OUT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, THAT GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS.
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN NOW? TWO YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO ABILITY HOUSING AND RESEARCHING AND ALL OF THIS, AND FINDING OUT THAT A MIX OF HOUSING IS GOOD BECAUSE IT HELPS TO OFFSET THE LOWER INCOME HOUSING AND ALL OF THAT.
WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EARMARK SOME OF THOSE HOUSING UNITS FOR THE CITY.
AFTER FURTHER RESEARCH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S VERY FEASIBLE UNLESS WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S DONE IT BEFORE, WHICH IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
BUT TO ME, WE ARE MAKING A GIFT TO THE COUNTY.
SMALL IN THE REALM OF MIAMI TO US OR JACKSONVILLE.
WHO BENEFITS MOST WOULD BE THE COUNTY.
I'D ASK DAVID TO DO A PROPOSAL TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD SELL FOR AND IT CAME BACK 2.18, TWO MILLION, ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY-THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WELL, WE JUST HEARD TODAY ON A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION THAT THE COUNTY BOUGHT 38 ACRES,
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MAYBE HALF OF WHICH WAS UPLANDS.SO EVEN IF YOU SAID 20 ACRES, THEY PAID 17 MILLION PER 20 BUILDABLE ACRES.
THAT'S LIKE $850 OR $850,000 AN ACRE.
WHAT DO WE HAVE? WELL, NO, BUILDABLE WE HAVE 27.
>> TWENTY SEVEN IS WHAT HE SAID IN THE PRESENTATION.
>> THAT'S 48.39 ACRES OF UPLANDS, BUT 27 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE.
>> THERE'S 82.5 ACRES TOTAL, 27.
YOU TAKE 27 INTO YOUR 2.18 OR YOU PUT, I'M SAYING [LAUGHTER] THOSE NUMBERS DON'T JIVE.
ONCE ON THE INTERCOSTAL, THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE VALUABLE, BUT THIS IS A WONDERFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH LAKES.
I WOULD SAY MAYBE I'LL RAISE MONEY AND BUY IT FOR 2.18 [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE I'LL COME OUT WAY AHEAD.
NO, WE NEED A MORE REALISTIC NUMBER.
BUT NUMBER 1, I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT LAYDOWN AREA OFF BECAUSE EITHER WAY, WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT AND WE DON'T WANT THE LAYDOWN AREA OR WE WOULD SELL IT, AND THEY DON'T WANT THE LAYDOWN AREA.
I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE LOOK AT THAT AS THE NUMBER 1.
THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY, AND MAYBE IT TAKES THE MAYOR OR EACH OF US TO MEET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
THEY HAVE SO MUCH TO GAIN BY US CREATING 400 UNITS OUT THERE.
THEIR IMPACT FEES, THEIR TRAFFIC FEES, THEIR OTHER KINDS OF THESE NEED TO BE WAIVED.
THEY NEED TO HELP US WITH THIS PROJECT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM TO SAY, THEY KNOW THE PROBLEM, WE KNOW THE PROBLEM, LET'S WORK TOGETHER ON IT.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO DO IN THE NEXT YEAR.
BUT I WOULD SAY WORKING ON GETTING UP WITH THE COUNTY AND TRYING TO GET THEM TO BUY IN TO HELP US WITH THIS IS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES AND THE SECOND IS TO GET THAT LAYDOWN AREA OUT.
>> WONDERFUL. EXCELLENT. YES, MA'AM.
>> JUST AS FAR AS THE COUNTY IS CONCERNED, THEY DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR PUBLIC HOUSING AND ALL THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THEIR VOTE WAS TO OUR FAVOR.
SO THAT DIDN'T CARRY OVER THAT WAY.
JUST TRYING TO GET A CROSSWALK ON WEST KING STREET HAS TURNED INTO MONTH'S PROJECT, SO I DON'T SEE THEM BEING SO ASSESSABLE AS FAR AS HELPING.
YES, THEY'RE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS.
I NOTICED DURING YOUR PRESENTATION IT WAS VERY GOOD.
IT LOOKS VERY NICE EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO PROJECTING.
BUT YOU SAID AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN YOU SAID MIDDLE HOUSING.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO DIFFERENT INCOMES? IT'S MIXED INCOME.
WE WERE ALWAYS LOOKING AT A MODEL FOR MIXED INCOME IN THIS.
THEREFORE, IT'S NOT ALL GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IS GOING TO BE MIXED INCOME.
BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT ALL.
FOR ME, IT IS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO COMMUTE TO COME INTO OUR CITY TO WORK.
THEY LIVE IN PALAKA, THEY LIVE IN HASTINGS.
THEY LIVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES.
KNOWING THE VALUE OF THAT PARTICULAR LAND, I AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR THAT WE SHOULD REALLY KNOW THE VALUE OF THAT PARTICULAR LAND BEFORE WE REALLY MOVE COMPLETELY FORWARD AS FAR AS DEVELOPING OF THE HOUSING.
LET'S JUST KEEP IT REAL. THIS IS A CITY ASSET, THIS PROPERTY.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, WE ARE OWNING THAT PROPERTY BY STORING OUR STUFF THERE.
BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE FOR IT TO GO.
THAT COMPOUND OVER THERE ON [INAUDIBLE], THEY HAVE STORED OUT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
THEY HAVE PUT STUFF EVERYWHERE.
THERE IS NOWHERE FOR IT TO GO OVER THERE.
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I JUST THINK THAT WE REALLY SHOULD DO A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS.I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S MIXED HOUSING AND THERE'S HOW HOUSES POP IT UP ON EVERY CORNER.
I JUST GOT INVITED TO A HABITAT HOUSE WHERE A GIRL THAT'S HAD A JOB FOR 15 YEARS COULDN'T FIND ANY HOUSING FOR HER FIVE CHILDREN AND THEY HAD TO BUILD HER A HOUSE.
MY WHOLE PERCEPTION OF THIS WAS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR MAYBE SOME OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE STRUGGLING.
BUT IF IT'S MIXED, THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE THERE.
>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT ON THAT, BUT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONCEIVED OF AS MIXED HOUSING BECAUSE THE HIGHER COST HOUSING HELPS OFFSET THE LOWER COST HOUSING.
I HAD ALWAYS HOPED THAT MAYBE WOULD HAVE BEEN 200 UNITS FOR AFFORDABLE, ON 200 FOR HIGHER-END.
I'M SORRY, MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT EARLIER.
>> I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE Y'ALL BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS. I KNOW.
JUST REAL QUICK, IF WE MOVE AHEAD, WHICH I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE AHEAD AND GET WITH THE COUNTY.
IF WE MOVE AHEAD AND GET IT REZONED, DOES THAT INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? IF WE DECIDED AT THE LAST MINUTE NOT TO DO IT?
>> IT WOULD, BUT I ENVISIONED A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HERE.
SO WHATEVER THOSE ENTITLEMENTS WOULD BE IN THE PUD WOULD BE SPECIFIC.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO SELL THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT TO SOMEONE.
>> I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PROPERTY BEHIND BELLS OUTLET IS LOCATION.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A PRETTY VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I LIKE IT. BUT I AM A FAVORITE MOVING FORWARD AND DOING SOME RESEARCH AND THEN CONTINUE CONVERSATION.
>> THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST ADD ONE THING TO IT.
BRINGS IT UP THE, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THIS OR NOT, I DID READ THE APPRAISAL OVER VERY CAREFULLY.
I LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, IT WAS THE COMPARISONS.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY GOOD.
BUT I KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME FOLKS HERE AT THE TABLE THAT DON'T AGREE WITH ME ON THAT, AND I WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT ALSO LOOK INTO AT THE SAME TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE.
I DO THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WATERFRONT PROPERTY AND PROPERTY WELL, ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY SEPTIC TANKS.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO BRING UP IS WE NEED TO CONSIDER, WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION BY THE STATE, WHICH IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON THEIR PART.
IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THIS BEING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT REQUEST WAS SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WALK AWAY FROM THAT.
I THINK THERE IS A TIME CONSTRAINT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
I THINK MR. BARTON CAN ANSWER THAT OR FIND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
IF, FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU DECIDE NOT TO DEVELOP THIS SITE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE STATE AND SAY, THIS IS PART OF OUR UTILITIES SERVICE AREA.
WE CAN PUT THIS SEWER WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE IN OUR UTILITY SERVICE AREA TO BENEFIT LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
>> WE THINK WE MIGHT TRY THAT PROBABLY.
>> NOT AS HARD OF A SCENARIO AS I THOUGHT.
I THINK IT'S NOT 100% CONSENSUS, BUT I DO HEAR AT LEAST THREE COMMISSIONERS SAYING LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM 5.
LET'S START TALKING TO THE COUNTY AND HEARING WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS.
LET'S FLUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE WE GO ON.
>> WE WILL BEGIN TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND WE'LL BRING YOU BACK REPORTS, WHETHER THEY'RE ANNUAL OR QUARTERLY, WE'LL START MOVING THAT DIRECTION.
>> THAT'S MY PREFERENCE. I DON'T WANT TO LINGER WITH THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE OUR WORK AND CERTAINLY WE CAN CONTINUE.
I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS TO BRING ITEMS BACK TO KEEP THIS ON THE FRONT BURNER.
>> I DID SPEAK TO EACH OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BACK IN JANUARY ON THIS ISSUE.
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHICH WAY ANY OF THEM WOULD VOTE, MAYBE A COUPLE OF THEM.
BUT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT MS. PEPPER WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WAS A HOUSING AUTHORITY.
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THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTOGETHER.THEY REJECTED THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
BUT I DID HAVE GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS, AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TIMING FOR EACH OF US TO WAY BACK IN WITH THEM, GET TO KNOW THEM BETTER.
I THINK THAT ANY OPPORTUNITY WE GET TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND DEVELOP A MORE CONSTRUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL SERVE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS BOTH IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WELL.
I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO ADDRESS THIS AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING ISSUE TOGETHER.
I THINK WE'VE GOT A DIRECTION AND ON WE GO.
>> WE JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU, DAVID, BEFORE HE WAS PROMOTED.
WE'VE REALLY ENJOYED THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
IT WAS FUN GETTING IN HERE WITH THE RESIDENTS.
ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, I SIT ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE FOR THE COUNTY.
ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS IS ON THAT BOAT.
HE'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT VOTED AGAINST THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SO WE NEED TO WORK ON HIM A LITTLE BIT.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT TWO TO 3D TO TURN THE 3D TOO.
>> I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TWO COMMISSARS ARE PROBABLY WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR.
>> WONDERING, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
IT ABSOLUTELY SPARKS THE IMAGINATION AND ALL OF THE POTENTIAL THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR US IF WE MOVE FORWARD AND CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS.
>> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT.
[11.A. Statutory notice of proposed Madeira CDD budget for Fiscal Year 2023-2024. No Action Required - For Information Only. (K. Traynor, Assistant City Attorney)]
BY MS. CITY ATTORNEY.>> YES, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE MADEIRA CDD PROPOSED BUDGET.
IT'S JUST REQUIRED BY STATUTE THAT THEY FORWARD TO YOU THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET.
AS YOU KNOW A CDD IS A SPECIAL DISTRICT CREATED UNDER STATE LAW, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FORWARD YOU THEIR BUDGET.
IT'S NOT FOR YOUR APPROVAL, IT'S SIMPLY INFORMATIONAL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
>> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEMS BY CITY CLERK.
>> THERE WAS ONE OTHER ITEM UNDER ME. I'M SORRY.
>> I'M SORRY. YOU'VE GOT ITEM 11B.
[11.B. Proposed St. Johns County Ordinance prohibiting floating structures. No Action Required - For Information Only. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]
I APOLOGIZE, I SKIPPED OVER THAT.>> THAT ONE IS ALSO JUST FOR INFORMATION, BUT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT CREATING AN ORDINANCE REGARDING FLOATING STRUCTURES.
WE ALREADY PROHIBIT THEM WITHIN THE CITY IF THERE ARE ILLEGAL FLOATING STRUCTURES.
WE DO ALLOW THINGS LIKE CONSTRUCTION BARGES THAT ARE PART OF A PERMITTED PROJECT.
BUT IT WAS JUST FOR INFORMATION, OBVIOUSLY.
WE ALREADY HAVE OUR OWN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THAT.
>> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW. NOW IT'S TIME FOR ITEMS BY CITY CLERK. SORRY.
>> I HAVE NOTHING THIS EVENING.
[13. ITEMS BY CITY MANAGER]
ITEMS BY CITY MANAGER.>> MAYOR, I JUST HAVE ONE ITEM I'D LIKE, PLEASE, FOR YOU TO CONFIRM RUBEN FRANKLIN AS THE CO-ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
>> ABSOLUTELY. DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> WONDERFUL. YES, AND CONGRATULATIONS.
>> COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD, DID YOU VOTE ON THAT LAST MOTION? I'M SORRY. YOU WERE IN THE PROCESS OF WALKING IN.
>> WE WERE IN THE ROOM CONFIRMING RUBEN FRANKLIN AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
THAT WAS THE DECISION. THAT WAS THE VOTE YES
>> ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THAT'S IT.
BIGGEST. WONDERFUL. I LIKE THAT TOO, CHECK.
ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS]
>> I HAVE ONE ITEM, JUST THE FOLLOW-ON TO COMMISSIONER.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT SENIOR MOMENT.
I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU. WORKED FOR TWO YEARS.
>> BLONDE. [LAUGHTER] YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, I'M JUST TOTALLY BLANK.
I THINK MY MIND'S WAY OVER HERE.
>> DO WE HAVE A PROCEDURAL PROBLEM WITH THE ITEM 14A OR NO?
>> NO. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY NEEDS A REVIEW, YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, SIMPLY SIGNING A LETTER.
IT'S STATING THAT IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING WE JUST APPROVED IN RESOLUTION 2023-19.
>> IT'S A REVIEW, CONSENSUS IS FINE.
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OTHERWISE, WE'LL GO FORWARD.WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT.
I LISTENED TO RICK BRAGG RECENTLY.
PATTY, MY WIFE, HAS GOTTEN INTO RICK BRAGG, AND HE TOLD A STORY ABOUT THE OIL SPILL OUT IN THE GULF YEARS AGO AND MY SON WAS THE AP VIDEOGRAPHER FOR THAT, IT WAS THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED IN THE HELICOPTER.
IT'S BEEN LONG ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO FORGET.
WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN FLORIDA WHO DIDN'T LIVE HERE THEN.
IT WAS A COMPLETE DISASTER. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
>> IT WAS TERRIBLE. EVEN YEARS AND YEARS LATER, NO OYSTERS.
>> WE CAN'T AFFORD [OVERLAPPING] IT AGAIN.
>> I ACTUALLY VISITED ALASKA AFTER THE VALDEZ CANINE ON FURTHER DOWN AND IT WAS TERRIBLE.
THEY DEVOTED A WHOLE MUSEUM TO IT.
I WAS PART OF THIS IN 2010, BACK IN THE DAY, AND IT'S JUST WE NEED TO KEEP THE FEDERAL AS FAR AS DOING THAT ORIGINAL ORDINANCE OF HOUSING.
I'M DONE. THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER].
IS THAT A BURNING ISSUE? HERE WE GO.
>> YES. I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF EMAILS FROM A RESIDENT, HER NAME IS KIMBERLY BOYER.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR CITY MANAGER.
HER DAUGHTER DIED TRAGICALLY FROM A HEART CONDITION.
THERE'S AN ALLEY THAT SITS BEHIND HER HOUSE ON THE CORNER SOMEWHERE BY ORANGE AND LEMON STREET.
HER DAUGHTER'S NAME WAS KELLY, AND SHE WANTED IT TO BE NAMED KELLY'S ALLEY.
THEN SHE GOES ON TO SAYS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KELLY, THAT SHE WAS AN AMAZING PERSON, SHE RESCUED ANIMALS, ONCE TAKEN 14 DOGS FROM A KILL SHELTER, FINDING THEM HOMES.
SHE HAD DREAMS OF ADOPTING A SIBLING GROUP AND CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES.
SADLY, SHE WASN'T ABLE TO FULFILL ALL HER DREAMS. BUT BASICALLY, I FORWARD THIS TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND HE CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU SO YOU CAN READ IT IN DETAIL.
BUT SHE SOUNDS LIKE SHE WAS REALLY A GREAT HUMAN.
SHE ASKED SOME CITY STAFF THAT THREW ME UNDER THE BUS, NOT NONE OF YOU [LAUGHTER] TO LEAD THE CHARGE ON THIS ALLEY GETTING NAMED AFTER HER DAUGHTER.
SHE'S AN INTROVERT, A VERY SHY PERSON BECAUSE I ASKED HER TO COME AND SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT JUST THE THOUGHT OF GETTING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE MADE HER NAUSEOUS.
EVERYBODY DON'T HAVE THE GIFT TO GAB LIKE MYSELF.
I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD BRING IT.
THERE IS A PROCEDURE, THE CITY MANAGER'S ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT TO ME THAT IT WOULD GO THROUGH, BUT I HAD TO BRING IT UP TO YOU GUYS IN THE MEETING.
ONCE YOU READ THE LETTER, I THINK YOU GUYS WILL HAVE MORE OF A CONNECTION AS TO WHY SHE WANTS TO DO THIS.
THEN ONCE YOU GUYS READ THAT, THEN YOU GUYS CAN ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND HE CAN SEND OUT SURVEYS, BUT I'M SURE I'LL GET MY SURVEYS BACK ANYHOW.
[LAUGHTER] ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT STORY.
THE OTHER THING IS, I BROUGHT UP, WHEN YOU WERE ABSENT ABOUT GETTING THE GALIMORE CENTRE HAVE AN AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM.
GREG WHITE IS A PREVIOUS COMMANDER OUT THERE, THE AMERICAN LEGION 194, AND HE'S HAD A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM FOR OVER 24 YEARS.
BEFORE I BROUGHT THIS TO THE COMMISSION, I ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD BE CONSIDERED BEING INVOLVED, AND HE SAID IT WOULD BE VERY EASY TO BRING HIS PILOT AND PUT IT IN THE GALIMORE CENTER.
I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF IT.
IT'S JUST LIKE FROM A WINDOW OF LIKE TWO, MAYBE EVEN THREE TO SIX O'CLOCK.
BECAUSE WITH SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE AROUND, SO MUCH STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO MANY R&BS, THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR OUR KIDS TO BE SAFE, AND THERE'S A WINDOW OF TIME FROM WHEN A KID GETS HOME FROM SCHOOL AND THEIR PARENTS GET OFF WORK, AND THEY CAN GO TO THE GALIMORE CENTER AND BE SAFE AND SUPERVISED, GET THEIR HOMEWORK DONE, GET A SNACK, AND THEN THEIR PARENTS CAN PICK THEM UP AND THOSE KIDS WOULD BE SAFE IN THEIR HOME.
INSTEAD OF THE OLD SCHOOL WHERE THEY HAD LATCHKEY KIDS, YOU JUST LOCK YOUR HOUSE AND DON'T LET NOBODY IN.
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THE GALIMORE IS NOT UTILIZED COMPLETELY ENOUGH.WE DID CHECK WITH THAT SCHOOL, AND YOU WERE RIGHT, THEY MONEY HUNGRY SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEND THEIR KIDS FROM THE SCHOOL THAT'S OVER THERE BY MARTIN LUTHER KING STREET.
BUT ANYHOW, THERE'S ENOUGH KIDS OVER ON THE ISLAND FULL OF WOOD, AND IN LINCOLNVILLE THAT I'M SURE IT'LL BE UTILIZED.
I'M SURE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT TAKE THEIR KIDS WAY OUT WEST AS TO GET HOLD OF THAT PROGRAM BACK AND LIVE CLOSER TO THE GALIMORE AND WOULD BRING THOSE, EVEN HAS AN INSTRUCTOR.
ANYWAY, MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, DAVID AND I ARE GOING TO MEET WITH GREG WHITE TO GET THE PACIFIC SO WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND WE COULD SEE WHAT'S ALL INVOLVED AND MAKING THAT A REALITY AND SEE IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
I WONDER, IS IT SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE AS THE GIRLS AND BOYS CLUB ON WEST KING?
>> NO. THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, THEY HAVE ACTIVITIES.
THEN THEY HAVE TABLETS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB PROBABLY HAVE A LOT HIGHER FEES, SOME PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THIS ON THEIR CASE.
I DID GO THROUGH ROTARY, DO A READING WITH THE KIDS AFTER SCHOOL ONE TIME AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING, SO I KNOW THE FACILITY.
IT SEEMED FAIRLY BUSY THE DAY I WAS THERE.
IT'S PROBABLY TRUE THAT WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER SPACE, AND DALMORE CENTER IS GREAT.
>> WE COULD SURVEY THE RESIDENTS ON THE WATER BILL TO REACH OUT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM.
EVERYBODY GETS ONE OF THOSE LOVELY THING.
>> WE HAVE LOTS OF ARTISTS IN THE AREA, MAYBE THERE CAN BE SOME ART TRAINING.
>> THEN WE HAVE A PLAYGROUND ALREADY, AND WE ALSO HAVE A WALKING TRACK, THE RB HAILING THAT COULD BE USED, THOSE KIDS WOULD LOVE TO BE OUT THERE WALKING.
IF THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT STARTS EARLIER, WE CAN TAKE THE KIDS ON A FIELD TRIP THAT DAY SO IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT THAT PROGRAM.
WE CAN WORK AROUND WITH THE CURRENT SCHEDULE FROM WHAT I SAW.
I EVEN MET AN ARTIST THAT SAID SHE WOULD LOVE JUST A VOLUNTEER TO COME THERE AND HELP WITH CRIMES.
>> WONDERFUL. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
>> I'M TRYING TO GET MOVING HERE.
>> OH, I KNOW WHAT TODAY IS, I FORGOT.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP MOVING HERE.
>> I ONLY HAVE ONE THING JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THEIR FINANCIAL REPORTS.
DO NOT FORGET, THEY'RE NOT KIDDING.
I THINK IT WAS MY SECOND YEAR, I BURIED IT ON MY DESK BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF TOWN.
I GOT FINED. THEY'RE SERIOUS, SO DON'T MISS IT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I ALSO RE-UPPED MY VOTE BY MAIL ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD HAVE NONE, COMMISSIONER BLONDER HAVE NONE.
I HAVE ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER A JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD SUBJECT TO DISCUSS WITH THEM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
HOWEVER, I DO NOT KNOW HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT US GOING BEFORE THEM WITH A DESIGN REVIEW AND ZONING, ET CETERA.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE A FEW THINGS TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT.
NOT SOMETHING TO DO RIGHT AWAY, BUT JUST ON THE LIST TO FILL OUT.
I'M MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO I CAN ALSO BRING IT UP TO HIM AS WELL.
ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NOTHING ELSE, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.