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GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

[1. Call to Order]

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I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

IT IS A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND, MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ALL HERE.

IT'S GOOD. WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED WITH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[2. General Public Comments.]

ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS TO PRESENT? I DON'T SEE ANY HERE ON THE DESK.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? IF YOU WOULD? WILL YOU PLEASE PROCEED TO THE PODIUM? GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

AND COULD YOU ALSO, WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE AFTER YOU SPEAK, FILL OUT A CARD FOR US.

BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.

OF COURSE. MY NAME IS DANA MICHAEL MCAULIFFE.

I AM A CO-FOUNDER AND SENIOR PARTNER OF A COMPANY CALLED ECO ECONOMICAL COMMUNITY HOUSING ORGANIZATION.

WE'VE WORKED WITH DWAYNE ALEXANDER UP IN JACKSONVILLE, THE HEAD OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THERE.

AND WE'RE DOING A PROJECT NOW IN DAYTONA BEACH CALLED BRENTWOOD VILLAGE.

IT'S 28 UNITS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH MID-FLORIDA HOUSING, WHICH THESE ARE MOSTLY TEACHERS, NURSES, FIRST RESPONDERS.

UM, THE IT'S 28 UNITS.

THERE'S A VIDEO HERE.

LET ME.

THERE WE GO. THIS IS A 28 UNIT COMPLEX DOWN IN DAYTONA BEACH.

WE'RE GETTING OUR FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE CITY HERE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ACCEPT THIS IS THE FIRST TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

DAYTONA IS GOING TO HELP WITH THE LOW TO MODERATE.

INCOME HOUSING IN DAYTONA BEACH.

WE'VE BEEN AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THESE HOUSES HERE, SMALL HOMES RANGE FROM 450 TO 600FT².

THEY ARE CONCRETE BLOCK WITH METAL ROOFS.

THEY WILL HAVE THEY WILL EACH OWNER WILL HAVE A 35 BY 75 FOOT LOT OF THEIR OWN.

THESE ARE NOT RENTALS AT THIS TIME AT LEAST.

SO THESE ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY MID FLORIDA HOUSING.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S.

EXPOSED RAFTERS ISLANDS BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE DINING ROOMS AND THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT MODELS.

I BOUGHT A SOME DRAWINGS OF THE MODELS AND THINGS TO LOOK AT.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOUSE BILL 1339 BACK IN 2000, I BELIEVE THAT'S GOVERNOR DESANTIS DECIDED TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY.

GUIDING TRY TO REZONE PROPERTY IN A HEARTBEAT LIKE 30 DAYS.

JACKSONVILLE HAS DONE THIS.

OTHER COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE DONE THIS.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WORKS WITH THAT.

I HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HOMES OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THOSE AND THINGS.

LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE MORE ARE GEARED TOWARD FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.

THESE THESE COULD BE THIS COULD BE A COMMUNITY FOR RENTALS ANYWHERE HERE THE WE HAVE OTHER ANOTHER PROJECT IN OFF OF NEW BERLIN ROAD UP IN OCEAN WAY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH OUR HOUSE IS FROM.

WE'RE FINDING THAT.

HOUSES FROM 650 TO 900FT².

2 OR 3 BEDROOMS ARE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PRICE POINTS WHERE YOU CAN SOMEONE CAN OWN A HOME AT LEAST FOR UNDER $200,000.

THAT'S WHAT IT MATTERS HOW MUCH THE LAND IS AND.

THE GRADING AND CIVIL WORK AND ALL THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU'RE WELCOME TO PROCEED.

WE'RE IN A WORKSHOP HERE, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS KEEP EVERYTHING AT, YOU KNOW, 220, $225,000.

THESE HERE RUN FROM 140 TO $170,000.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

WE DON'T WE'RE GETTING THE PRICES OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS NOW AS WE SPEAK.

THIS HAS A DOG PARK IN THE BACK, HAS A NURSERY.

I'M TRYING TO GET PEOPLE ON A SATURDAY MORNING TO ALL COME OUT, YOU KNOW, HELP EACH OTHER OUT, TRY TO GROW SOME VEGETABLES AND FLOWERS OR WHATEVER.

THE DOG PARK. THERE'S A PAVILION, THERE'S A KIDS PLAYGROUND.

THIS SITS ON THREE AND THREE QUARTER ACRES.

THE LOT IS 200FT BY 750FT.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN THE LAST.

BIT OF COMMENTS FROM THE CITY HERE, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS TO MOVE ON.

AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR OTHER PROJECTS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF CLEARWATER.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST HELP AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

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ANYBODY THE WE HAVE A I HAVE LOTS OF DRAWINGS I COULD BRING TO SHOW YOU AT SOME OTHER TIME OF WE HAVE PROPERTIES OF 150 BY 100FT THAT HAVE SIX UNITS ON IT, 850FT² APIECE, ALL ZIGZAGGED.

THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T LIKE TOWNHOMES.

EVERYTHING, SETBACKS.

THERE'S LOTS OF LANDSCAPING.

THEY DON'T LOOK MUNDANE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO SAY, TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, IF I CAN GET A MEETING WITH THE CITY SOMETIME AND REALLY LOOK AT SOME PROPERTY THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AVAILABLE, WE HAVE IN-HOUSE FINANCING. SO WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE EVERYTHING.

ENGINEERS, EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD.

SO AND I'M A LOCAL HERE.

I'VE BEEN HERE 50 YEARS.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT.

BUT ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING.

NICE TO KNOW ABOUT YOU.

I WASN'T AWARE.

THANK YOU. YES.

YES. COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND LEAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION WITH MR. BIRCHIM, WHO'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU? THANK YOU. YES, VERY GOOD.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT IS STILL OPEN.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO STEP TO THE PODIUM AND MAKE A COMMENT OR.

ANYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT.

SO IN THAT CASE, I SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

[3. Discussion regarding the affordable housing feasibility study and public charette.]

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THE PUBLIC CHARRETTE MR. BIRCHIM. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

DAVID BIRCHAM ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

I'D JUST LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE JEFF HUBER AND GREG BURKE.

THEY WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM BROOKS AND SCARPA.

THEY HOSTED A CHARRETTE FOR US, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE OF THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAWS.

BUT THEY'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE RESULTS OF THE CHARRETTE TODAY WITH YOU AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS.

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BROOKS AND SCARPA.

THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM.

MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. JUST GET THIS OPEN.

SO BACK ON MARCH 27TH, WE HAD A CHARRETTE A PUBLIC CHARRETTE IN THIS ROOM ACTUALLY HAD A PRETTY GOOD ATTENDANCE OF ABOUT 40 OR 50 PEOPLE IN THAT CHARRETTE, OBVIOUSLY, TO TALK ABOUT 450 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD.

AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE SITE.

I KNOW THAT YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE SITE AND A KEY OPPORTUNITY, REALLY TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IN PARTICULAR.

I JUST BROKEN THIS PRESENTATION OUT INTO A FEW DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT WOULD KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CHARRETTE, AS WELL AS SOME PRECURSOR INFORMATION AS WELL AS SOME PRECEDENTS.

WE WENT OVER AND THEN ULTIMATELY COMING TO THE THREE KIND OF COHESIVE SOLUTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE TABLES AT THAT CHARRETTE.

SO. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT QUOTE FROM COMMISSIONER BLONDER WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO THIS, THAT, AGAIN, THIS SITE IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AS A CITY, FOR THE COUNTY TO REALLY ADDRESS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE HAVING ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND SPECIFICALLY IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO WE WERE REALLY HONORED TO BE ASKED TO COME IN TO HELP GO AHEAD AND FACILITATE THE CHARRETTE AND REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS DESIRES WERE.

AND WE GOT A LOT OF INSIGHT AND A LOT OF COMMENTS.

AND AGAIN, LOOKING TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON.

YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS ALSO A REALLY IMPORTANT STATISTIC THAT ONE FIFTH OF YOUR COUNTY'S RENTERS ARE COST BURDENED.

WE COULDN'T FIND A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THIS ON THE HOMEOWNERS SIDE.

BUT THIS IS A PRETTY CONSISTENT FACT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE HAVING TREMENDOUS BURDENS.

AND AND I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE TO UNDERSTAND AND AS THE GENTLEMAN FROM ECHO JUST KIND OF EVEN ILLUSTRATED, A LOT OF THESE ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS THAT ARE NURSES.

THEY'RE FIREFIGHTERS, THEY'RE POLICE OFFICERS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE EVEN ARCHITECTS LIKE ME THAT ARE COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL.

THEY'RE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND SO ON.

AND SO THIS IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE SENSE THAT WE THINK OF OR THAT WAS ALWAYS TRADITIONALLY BEING THOUGHT OF.

THIS IS A CRITICAL MASS OF JUST FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL NOW THAT ARE HAVING CHALLENGES TO AFFORD THIS IN THE AREA THAT I'M IN.

THIS IS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT FOR A FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD OF 86,500 THAT YOU HAVE HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

AND YOU KNOW, TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT 30% AMI IS CONSIDERED TO BE EXTREME LOW INCOME.

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AND JUST IMAGINE THAT'S AROUND $20,000 A YEAR, $25,000 A YEAR, AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50% AMI TO 80% AMI AND EVEN TO 120% AMI THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME.

AND SO THESE AGAIN ARE GOING TO JUST BECOME MORE CHALLENGES.

THE PANDEMIC HAS REALLY CREATED A LOT OF CHALLENGES, EVEN FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS AND GETTING THINGS THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE.

IT USED TO BE THAT WE WERE DESIGNING HOMES FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OR FOR COMMUNITY LAND DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS FOR ABOUT $105 TO $125 A SQUARE FOOT.

THAT IS NO LONGER ACHIEVABLE.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING NOW, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT COSTS TO CONSTRUCT IT, WHICH RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT $175.

A SQUARE FOOT IS ABOUT THE MINIMUM WE CAN GET DOWN.

WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT PREFABRICATED UNIT TYPES TO REALLY TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE COSTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

BUT WE NEED TO ALSO KIND OF CONSIDER IT ABOUT THE LONG TERM COSTS OF THE QUOTE UNQUOTE, LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE BUILDING.

YOU HAVE TO BUILD QUALITY INTO THEM AND THAT WE WANT TO ALSO BUILD DURABILITY IN OTHER FACTORS.

AND SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THEN, TOO, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING A HOMEOWNER OR EVEN A RENTER INTO THESE PROPERTIES, YOU REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND PROPER DESIGN FOR ORIENTATION, FOR DAYLIGHTING, FOR OTHER ASPECTS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO BRING TO THE TABLE.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS CHARRETTE FOR 450 NORTH HOMES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE COSTS OF A MONTHLY RENT OR A MONTHLY MORTGAGE PAYMENT, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE COST OF THE UTILITY BILLS. IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE COSTS OF EVERY OTHER PIECE OF MONTHLY OR MONTHLY COSTS THAT COME INTO THAT.

AND SO THESE ARE JUST REALLY IMPORTANT FACTORS TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH AS WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT.

SO JUST WHEN WE CAME IN HERE AND I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ SOME OF THIS, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT A PROJECT OVERVIEW.

OUR GOALS WERE TO LOOK AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 400 UNITS OF HOUSING.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS MIXED INCOME LEVEL HOUSING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS IN THAT DE CHARRETTE.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT 30% ALL THE WAY TO 120% AMI AND MARKET RATE HOUSING.

AND THAT WAS A CRITICAL ASPECT TO THINK THROUGH.

AND SO THE PROPOSED SCHEMES ALSO BEGAN TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE RETROFIT NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD.

WE ALL KNOW THAT NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD AND THIS 450 SITE IS ABOUT TWO MILES OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN PROPER, A LITTLE BIT ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT.

AND SO SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS ALONG NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD WERE REALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ULTIMATELY KIND OF ACHIEVE BETTER BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, BIKE-ABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, WALKABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, EVEN POTENTIAL OF MASS TRANSIT, BECAUSE MANY OF THESE COMMUNITIES, THE COST BURDEN IS ALSO IN THE TRANSPORTATION THAT THEY HAVE AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF EVEN OWNING AN AUTOMOBILE THESE DAYS.

WE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT COLLIER STREET AS A SECONDARY ACCESS TO THE SITE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF TALK DURING THAT, CHARETTE ABOUT A POTENTIAL OF LAYDOWN AREA TO BE MAINTAINED FOR THE CITY'S UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, AND I KNOW THAT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TODAY FROM YOU ALL.

BUT THE GOAL WAS TO CREATE THIS KIND OF INCLUSIONARY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO WHERE IT HAD MULTIPLE INCOME LEVELS, BUT ALSO ATTENDANT LIFESTYLES.

I THINK IT'S IN REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT A RANGE OF TYPOLOGIES OF HOUSING, A RANGE OF LIFESTYLE POSSIBILITIES THAT COULD HAPPEN, KNOWING THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN A LAWN, BUT LIKE TO LOOK AT GREEN SPACE KNOWING THAT SOME DO LIKE TO HAVE.

LANCE BASS. AND SO I THINK REALLY KIND OF ACHIEVING SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THIS.

AND SO THIS OBJECTIVE OF THE CHARRETTE WAS REALLY TO BEGIN TO DEVELOP AN URBAN PERFORMER AND AN URBAN VISION FOR WHAT THAT OR A COMMUNITY VISION FOR WHAT THAT SITE COULD BE.

AND ULTIMATELY, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE UP TO 15 UNITS AN ACRE OF DENSITY.

AND SO I WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS.

SO 450 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN COMPARISON TO WHERE OLD TOWN IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT A FIVE, FIVE MILE, WALKABLE, BIKEABLE RADIUS, I SHOULD SAY.

WE'RE SHOWING THAT WHITE CIRCLE AROUND THE SITE ITSELF THAT JUST KIND OF GOES OUTSIDE OF IT IS THE KIND OF CONSIDERED TO BE A WALKABLE RADIUS.

SO JUST KIND OF SEE THOSE KIND OF ASPECTS.

WE DID LOOK AT A WALK SCORE HERE.

I BELIEVE IT GETS A WALK SCORE.

IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE WALK SCORE OF ABOUT 22, I BELIEVE IT WAS, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT VERY WALKABLE.

IT HAD A BIKE SCORE OF ABOUT 35, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT VERY BIKEABLE.

BUT THERE'S VERY SIMPLE THINGS THAT WE CAN KIND OF DO THAT COULD ACHIEVE BETTER WALKABILITY AND BIKE ABILITY ON THIS.

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BUT ALSO IT KIND OF MEANT THAT WE ALSO WANT TO MAYBE ACHIEVE OTHER PROGRAMS ON THE SITE OTHER THAN JUST HOUSING ALONE, LOOKING AT CHILD CARE, LOOKING AT ELDER CARE ON THE ON THAT SITE, LOOKING AT SOME POTENTIAL OF SOME COMMERCIAL AND SOME OTHER FACILITIES ON THERE THAT COULD HELP TO BUILD A BETTER WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE SCORE AS WELL.

AS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONNECT TO THAT.

AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE OVERALL, I THINK YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

HOPEFULLY YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE DAY TO WALK OUT THERE WHEN IT WAS OPEN, BUT YOU'VE SEEN THE SITE.

IT'S AN INCREDIBLY WELL MATURE TREED SITE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNGER TREES, BUT IN A LOT OF THE WETLAND AREAS, THERE'S SOME GOOD, HEALTHY STANDS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT.

BUT THE TOTAL SITE IS 82.5 ACRES, 48.4 ACRES OF THOSE ARE UPLANDS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT IS PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND LOOKING AT THIS IS WE NEED ABOUT A 50 FOOT BUFFER MINIMUM FOR THE WETLANDS.

AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE ALL THIS INTO ACCOUNT, YOU REALLY ONLY ACHIEVE 27.7 ACRES OF BUILDABLE AREA.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT 15 UNITS AN ACRE DENSITY THRESHOLD, YOU CAN START TO SEE, WELL, WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT AT THAT CUSP OF 400 UNITS TO 450 UNITS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ON THIS SITE.

AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A DIAGRAM, JUST THAT WE HELP TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE BUFFERS FOR THE WETLANDS, THE WATERWAYS AND OTHER FACILITIES ON THERE AND THEN JUST KIND OF HATCHING IN WITH THOSE BLACK DIAGONAL LINES THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE WHERE ALL THE BUILDABLE AREAS.

BUT WHAT I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT, THERE'S A BUNCH OF LITTLE RED DOTS IN THAT BUILDABLE AREA, WHICH ARE THE EXISTING SOME OF THE MATURE KIND OF HERITAGE TREES AS WELL AS THOSE TREES THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AS POTENTIAL PRESERVATION OR THEY'RE GOING TO AT LEAST BE MITIGATED.

AND SO THOSE ARE SOME BIG CONCERNS ON THE SITE.

BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THIS ISN'T ACHIEVABLE.

THERE'S LOTS OF PRECEDENTS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY THAT LOOK AT CONSERVATION TYPE DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU SHOULD KIND OF LOOK AT AS A MODEL FOR THIS SITE.

AND SO THIS JUST KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THAT THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE SITE AS BEING OPEN RURAL.

THE COUNTY DOES ALLOW THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS ON RESIDENTIAL TO BE 13 UNITS AN ACRE.

BUT AS WE STATED ALREADY THAT WITH A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 30% TO BE EXACT, YOU ARE ABLE TO GET UP TO THAT 15 UNITS AN ACRE.

THERE IS ACTIVE MINING OPERATIONS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT FROM DUSTS FROM SEDIMENT, OTHER ISSUES OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS WATER QUALITY ISSUES TO CONSIDER.

AND SO THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE SITE PROGRAMING THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS DIAGRAM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, YOU CAN SEE A COMMUNITY CENTER, PRESCHOOL, CHILD CARE, ART GALLERIES, POTENTIAL STUDIOS, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES, BIKING WALKING PATHS, TRANSPORTATION HUB AND THAT TRANSPORTATION HUB REALLY BEING UP TOWARDS NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD AS A POTENTIAL.

AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN ONE OF THE THREE SCHEMES THAT WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH THE CHARRETTE.

ALSO LOOKING AT EMERGENCY AND RESILIENCY HUB, THIS IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT IN COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GETTING POST-PANDEMIC AND THINKING ABOUT WHERE DO WE HAVE WHERE WE CAN HOST SERVICES, HAND OUT SUPPLIES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT ALSO PROVIDES AN AREA FOR INFORMATION, BUT ALSO PROVIDES A SHELTER FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY THAT MAY NEED TO GET TO THAT.

THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT.

AND I THINK, COMMISSIONER, YOU BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS A COQUINA QUARRY TO FOR THE CITY.

THIS IS WHERE THE 450 YEAR CELEBRATION CONCRETE WAS.

WHAT THE AGGREGATE FOR THAT CONCRETE AND COQUINA WAS MINED.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO KIND OF CONSIDER DO WE MAINTAIN AN ACTIVE COQUINA QUARRYING OPERATION ON THERE? AND SO SOME OF THE SCHEMES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY WERE ALSO LOOKING AT THAT.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO BREEZE THROUGH A FEW OF THESE THINGS.

BUT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE CHARETTE AND IT'S VISUALIZING DENSITY.

DENSITY ALWAYS GETS A VERY BAD WORD, THE D WORD.

I DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT IN MOST COMMUNITIES OR INTENSITY.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INTENSITY, WE'RE USUALLY TALKING ABOUT A FLOOR AREA RATIO.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, WE'RE USUALLY TALKING ABOUT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THESE ARE THE WAYS IN WHICH ZONING CODES GO AHEAD AND OPTIMIZE OR HOW WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE PATTERNS ON THE SITE.

AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THIS.

THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE BOOK CALLED VISUALIZING DENSITY, BY THE WAY.

THAT'S WHERE THESE IMAGES COME OUT OF.

BUT THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT TO DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE OR OLD TOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ABOUT 16 TO 20 UNITS AN ACRE.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE ON THIS SITE, 15 UNITS AN ACRE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY REMAKING OLD TOWN OR HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO REMAKE OF AN OLD TOWN THAT HAS THAT KIND OF WALKABILITY, THAT LIVABILITY THAT WE ALL LOVE AND DESIRE ABOUT DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE OR OLD TOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AND THESE WERE JUST A COUPLE SAMPLES THAT WE BROUGHT THROUGH LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY TYPOLOGIES AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE ABOUT MULTI FAMILY TYPOLOGIES THAT WERE JUST SAMPLINGS

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AROUND TOWN. SO PEOPLE BEGAN TO GET FAMILIAR WITH WHAT DIFFERENT DENSITY RANGES WILL LOOK AT IN KIND OF THESE FORMATS.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE, EIGHT UNITS TO THE LEFT TO 15 UNITS AN ACRE.

AND SO THE 15 UNITS AN ACRE IS IN SOME CASES, SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU'LL SEE IN LINCOLNVILLE OR EVEN JUST NORTH OF OLD TOWN OR TO THE WEST OF OLD TOWN.

AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT SOME MULTIFAMILY TYPES.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE FAR RIGHT LEWIS HOUSE AS PART OF FLAGLER COLLEGE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SOME OF YOUR HIGHEST DENSITY AT 220 UNITS AN ACRE.

AND SO THIS IS NOT WE IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE BECAUSE AGAIN, 15 UNITS AN ACRE IS ABOUT THE THRESHOLD THAT YOU MAKE MASS TRANSIT BY BUSSES FEASIBLE.

YOU MAKE THOSE KIND OF SUPPORT OR MASS TRANSIT SYSTEMS FEASIBLE AT FOUR UNITS TO EIGHT UNITS AN ACRE.

IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE THAT FEASIBLE.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MASS TRANSIT, ULTIMATELY BUSSES WILL CHASE POPULATIONS WHERE WHERE OTHER TYPES OF SYSTEMS WILL CONCENTRATE IT.

I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT 450 NORTH HOMES IS A KIND OF A CONCENTRATED FORM OF 15 UNITS AN ACRE THAT WOULD ACHIEVE A CERTAIN THRESHOLD FOR THAT DENSITY TO BECOME AND ALLOW FOR MASS TRANSIT TO BE FEASIBLE.

LOOKING AT HOUSING TYPOLOGIES, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPOLOGIES.

I'M ASSUMING YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THIS TERM BEFORE, BUT WHY IT'S CALLED MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IS BECAUSE IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN SEEN FOR THE LAST 70 YEARS SINCE POST WORLD WAR TWO. WE PRIMARILY BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES, WHAT I WOULD CALL BEDROOM WAREHOUSES OR BEDROOM BOXES, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S THIS WHOLE AGGREGATION OF THIS MISSING MIDDLE OF TYPOLOGIES OF HOUSING.

AND THESE ARE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUAD PLEXES THESE ARE MANSION APARTMENTS, BUNGALOW COURTS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES THAT WE WANTED TO KIND OF EXPRESS, EXPLORE AND TALK ABOUT AT THE CHARRETTE.

SO WE KIND OF GAVE SOME VISUAL ELEMENTS TO THAT.

AND SO WE GAVE SOME SAMPLINGS TO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE KIND OF LOOKED AT THESE APPROACHES.

THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE PROJECT ON THE LEFT, JACKSON MEADOW, WHICH IS A PROJECT IN MINNESOTA.

BUT IT'S A PROJECT THAT KIND OF AGGREGATES DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES OF HOUSING BUT ALSO DIFFERENT SIZES OF LOTS.

SO SOME LOTS ARE SMALLER AND CONFIGURED MORE TOWARDS ALMOST A KIND OF URBAN AND VERY WALKABLE OR COMMUNITY KIND OF ORIENTED SCALE.

AND THEN OTHERS THAT ARE MORE AGGREGATED AROUND A RURAL KIND OF TUCKED INTO AN EXISTING STANDS OF TREES AND HAS A KIND OF A LANGUAGE ABOUT IT TOO, THAT'S VERY VERNACULAR OR OF THE PLACE IN ITS LOOK AND FEEL.

AND THEN THE PROJECT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS PRAIRIE CROSSING OUTSIDE OF CHICAGO.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT TOOK OVER PRIME AGRICULTURAL LAND, BUT LOOKED AT HOW IT WOULD CONSERVE THAT LAND.

AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS JUST SOME OF THE KIND OF AGGREGATION OF SMALLER ENCLAVES OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A BROADER KIND OF AGRARIAN LANDSCAPE THAT'S STILL BEING MAINTAINED AS A FARM.

AND THEN WE LOOKED ACROSS SOME OF OUR PROJECTS.

THIS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE JUST HAPPENS TO BE A DUPLEX THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THAT LOOKS AT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, GREATER ARCHITECTURE WITH THINGS LIKE PORCHES AND SOCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE'RE MISSING TODAY A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA AND FACEBOOK AND ALL THOSE IS OUR ORIGINAL FACEBOOK, WHICH WAS OUR PORCHES.

IT'S OUR PORCH COMMUNITIES.

THESE WERE ALWAYS A VERY KIND OF TRADITIONAL SPACE THAT WE WOULD MEET AND GREET OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND THERE'S A WHOLE CULTURE, OBVIOUSLY TO THAT.

BUT THERE'S ALSO WE WANTED TO POINT OUT OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE SEEING A PROJECT THAT WE DID IN LOS ANGELES THAT IS AGAIN TRYING TO ACHIEVE A SCALE AND A MASS. AND AGAIN, WE ARE MAXED OUT ON THIS SIDE AT 35FT IN HEIGHT, I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE STORIES AND UNDER.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GIVE SOME EXAMPLES THAT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAPPENS TO BE FOUR STORIES.

SO THIS IS JUST ONE FLOOR OVER WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE OR WOULD BE FOR THIS SITE.

BUT IT IS A KIND OF TRADITIONAL COURTYARD HOUSING OVER A PODIUM OF PARKING.

AND SO THERE'S WAYS TO ACHIEVE PARKING WITHOUT IT LOOKING LIKE A PARKING LOT WHERE YOU COULD TUCK SOME OF THAT UNDER HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL SPACE, WHICH THIS IS A KIND OF MIXED USE. ONE. SO WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF SHOW SOME OF THOSE TYPOLOGIES.

AGAIN, ANOTHER FEW THAT ARE COURTYARD TYPES THAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT THAT DAY OF THE CHARRETTE, A FEW OTHER COURTYARD TYPES THAT WERE LOOKING AT IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE SOME ELDERLY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND ACTUALLY AT RISK YOUTH HOUSING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED.

AND SO FOR THE CHARRETTE, WE GAVE EVERYBODY A KIND OF A BOOKLET AND ASKED THEM TO KIND OF WORK FROM THESE.

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AND WE GAVE SCALE DRAWINGS THAT THEY COULD EASILY KIND OF TAKE ON SKETCH TRACE AND KIND OF MOVE OVER TO THE PLANS AND KIND OF UTILIZE.

AND SO THAT WAS JUST SOME OF THOSE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS PARKING FORMATS FOR PARKING IS A IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN MAKE OR BREAK A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH HOW IT'S PARKED.

AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO AVOID IS THESE LARGE KIND OF SCALE PARKING LOTS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A LOT OF THESE MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITIES OR ARE THIS KIND OF DENSITY.

AND WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT A RANGE OF TYPOLOGIES.

SO YOU HAVE CENTRAL LOTS, PERIMETER LOTS TUCK UNDER PARKING, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IN SOME OF THESE WHERE YOU PARK UNDERNEATH PARTS OF THE BUILDING, YOU COULD HAVE INTERNAL STRUCTURES, WHAT THEY AFFECTIONATELY CALL THE TEXAS DONUT, WHERE THE BUILDING ACTUALLY SURROUNDS THE PARKING GARAGE.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO GO TO THAT LEVEL OF DENSITY HERE IN A PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE.

BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS.

AND THEN YOU LOOK AT UNDERGROUND PARKING TYPOLOGIES AS WELL AS ALLEYWAYS.

AND THIS IS A PROJECT HERE, SEASIDE IS THAT ALLEYWAYS.

AND SO WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF MOVE CARS OFF THE STREET AND KIND OF AGAIN, TO ACHIEVE THIS KIND OF BETTER CHARACTER, MORE COMMUNITY DESIGN ORIENTED TYPOLOGIES, WE ALSO REALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A LOW LYING SITE.

WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS.

A MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS WETLANDS.

SO HOW DO WE NOT EXACERBATE FLOODING? WHERE I AM, WE JUST HAD ONE OF THE LARGEST WHAT WAS REFERRED TO AS A RAIN BOMB IN FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA, WHICH WAS ABOUT 30IN OF RAINFALL, FELL IN A 7 OR 8 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME AND JUST OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM.

THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU COULD KIND OF DO EXCEPT TO PLAN FOR FLOODING IN THAT KIND OF A CASE.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE FREQUENT EVENTS THAT WE SEE.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT LANDSCAPE CAN NO LONGER BE LOOKED AT AS ORNAMENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT AS INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT ASPECT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SITE.

AND I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO PLACE A CONDITION ON IS THAT HOW DO WE CREATE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT FEATURES, BIOSWALES, RAIN GARDENS, OTHER THINGS INTO THE SITE THAT CAN HELP THE WATER QUALITY, BUT ALSO TO MANAGE VOLUMES OF WATER? IT'S PRETTY AMAZING WHAT A TREE CAN DO.

THE RIGHT TREE IN THE RIGHT PLACE CAN EVAPOTRANSPIRATION 100 GALLONS OF WATER IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME.

AND WHERE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY KNOWING IT'S THE COUNTY LIKE, HOW DO WE BEGIN TO UTILIZE THE LAND? YOU HAVE A LOT OF LAND THAT'S UNBUILDABLE HERE THAT HAS SOME POTENTIAL TO REALLY BECOME A MODEL FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCY MODEL. SO WE SAW THAT OPPORTUNITY IN HERE.

SO JUST KIND OF GETTING INTO THE CHARETTE AND THE OVERVIEW AND OUTCOMES.

SO THIS WAS OUR DAY OUT THERE.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE ROTATED ONE IMAGE ACCIDENTALLY.

SORRY THERE, BUT WE REALLY HAD A ROBUST CONVERSATION.

THE FIRST HOUR WAS KIND OF PRESENTING WHAT I JUST KIND OF WENT OVER AND JUST KIND OF TALKING THROUGH THOSE AND THEN BROKE OUT INTO SEVERAL TABLES.

THREE TABLES REALLY KIND OF TOOK TO THE TASK FOR THE NEXT 3.5 HOURS AND REALLY CREATED A LOT OF INCREDIBLE KIND OF IDEAS, CONTENT GENERATION AND TALKING THROUGH THAT ULTIMATELY ARISING TO THESE THREE OPTIONS.

SO OPTION A, WE CALL, WHICH IS THE FAR LEFT BARS AND COURTS SCHEMES AND I'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN A SECOND.

OPTION B WAS WHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M AN ARCHITECT, SO WE LIKE TO COME UP WITH NAMES FOR THINGS JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IT IN LINE.

SO WE CAME UP WITH POINTS AND LINES FOR THAT ONE AND WHICH YOU'LL SEE WHY THAT IS.

AND THEN A GREENS WORD SCHEME, WHICH REALLY KIND OF SIGNALED SOMETHING LIKE THE PLAZA AND IN OLD TOWN AND KIND OF HOW THAT WE COULD BEGIN TO AGGREGATE COMMUNITY AROUND THAT.

AND SO THIS WAS JUST US KIND OF TAKING THOSE THREE SCHEMES AND SKETCHES, PULLING THEM IN TO MORE HARD LINING AND WE CAN KIND OF GO INTO THAT NOW.

SO OPTION A, BARS AND COURTS REALLY CREATED A KIND OF MULTIFAMILY BAR KIND OF TYPOLOGY.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL A CORRIDOR BUILDINGS OR SLAB BUILDINGS, IF YOU WILL, OF ABOUT 2 TO 3 STORIES TALL WITH ABOUT 30 UNITS.

IN SOME CASES, SOME COULD HAVE LESS OR MORE, BUT IT REALLY AGGREGATED THEM AROUND BETWEEN SOME OF THE THE WETLANDS.

AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE OR TAKE FROM THIS IS IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THEY DECIDED TO CLOSE DOWN COLLIER.

THERE COULD STILL BE THE POTENTIAL OF KEEPING ACCESS AT COLLIER STREET AS A SECONDARY ACCESS BUT TAKING NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD COMING OFF OF THAT AROUND SOME OF THE WETLANDS AND THEN HAVING A CLUBHOUSE OR A COMMUNITY SPACE THAT WAS REALLY THAT KIND OF CENTRAL ALMOST THAT TERMINATED VISTA.

AS YOU'RE MOVING INTO THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL.

AND SO YOU HAD THAT KIND OF CENTRAL COMMUNITY SPACE THERE AND THEN PARK SPACE AROUND THAT WITH THESE THE MULTIFAMILY KIND OF AGGREGATE AROUND THERE.

NOW, THIS ONE DID KEEP AND MAINTAIN ALL MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IN THIS PARTICULAR SCHEME WAS PRESERVE MORE LAND AND TRYING TO GET THE DENSITY KIND OF

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AROUND ONE SINGULAR TYPOLOGY THAT CAN REALLY LOOK INTERESTING IF YOU GET INTO THE SECTIONAL QUALITIES OF IT.

SO DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T I JUST WANT TO SAY TODAY, LIKE THE PLAN MAY FEEL A LITTLE MUNDANE, BUT I THINK THE QUALITIES COULD REALLY COME FROM, AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE KIND OF SECTIONAL OR THE ELEVATION OF WHAT THIS ARCHITECTURE LOOKS LIKE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL ONE SIZE.

IT CAN KIND OF MOVE UP AND DOWN.

IT CAN BREAK UP INTO MULTIPLE THINGS.

BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO LOOK AT IS THEY WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE WETLAND SPACES AND REALLY JUST KIND OF DRIVING IN WHERE THEY FELT THE MOST EASE AND MORE MOST ECONOMICS TO BUILD WERE KIND OF IN THAT CENTER OF THE SITE.

AND THIS KIND OF DUMB BELL OR DUMB BAR KIND OF FORMAT THAT WE'RE CALLING THE BARS AND COURT SCHEME.

THE SECOND OPTION, OPTION B POINTS AND LINES WAS REALLY A BREAKING OUT OF TWO PRIMARY TYPOLOGIES, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU JUST SAW IN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

THIS KIND OF CORRIDOR LOGIC OF 2 OR 3 STORY BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE AGGREGATED AROUND A PARK SPACE.

AND SO THAT THEN ALSO HAD A BUNCH OF OTHER TYPOLOGIES OF HOUSING THAT COULD BREAK DOWN TO IT COULD EVEN BE DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, BUT PRIMARILY THEY WOULD BE DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX QUADPLEX TYPES OF HOUSING THAT KIND OF THEN GETS AGGREGATED.

AND SO THIS ONE'S INTERESTING AND VERY DIFFERENT FROM THIS SCHEME BECAUSE THIS ONE AGAIN IS A CENTRALIZING KIND OF SCHEME AND THEN KIND OF AGGREGATES TO THOSE TWO ENDS.

THIS ONE BEGINS TO BREAK IT OUT AND IDENTIFIED AROUND A FEW DIFFERENT CLUSTERS, THESE KIND OF PARK LIKE ELEMENTS THAT COULD BEGIN TO CREATE ENCLAVES AND COMMUNITIES AROUND THERE. IT COULD ALSO BE A BETTER PHASING STRATEGY IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO PHASE THIS THE SITE IN CONSTRUCTION.

BUT AGAIN, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE SEEING ON THE PREVIOUS SCHEME, THEY'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT A KIND OF TERMINATED VISTA BUILDING THAT COMES IN OFF OF NORTH HOMES THAT YOU KIND OF MOVE AROUND. THEY WERE ALSO SHOWING THE LAY DOWN AREA, BUT THE THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED KIND OF HERE.

WE WOULD ALSO NEED A BUFFER OF SOME SORT AROUND THAT, BUT THAT WOULD STILL CONNECT TO CALL YOUR STREET AND TALKING WITH THIS GROUP.

THEY ALSO FELT THAT IF THE LAY DOWN AREA WENT AWAY, YOU'D STILL HAVE THAT SECONDARY ACCESS CALL YOUR STREET AND PROBABLY ANOTHER ONE OF THESE PARK LIKE FEATURES THAT COULD BE DOWN THERE. AND THEN THE OPTION.

SEE, THE LAST GAME THAT CAME OUT OF THIS WAS WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO AS A GREENS WORD AND NOW A GREENS WORD IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE THE PLAZA IN DOWNTOWN OR IN OLD TOWN, BUT IT'S ALSO LIKE THE WASHINGTON DC MALL.

NOW THIS IS NOT AT THAT SAME SCALE, BUT IT'S A KIND OF SIMILAR FEATURE WHERE YOU HAVE A VERY FORMAL KIND OF LANDSCAPE THAT COULD BEGIN TO AGGREGATE AND KIND OF ORGANIZE THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE BUILDINGS AROUND THERE.

AND AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING THAT THERE'S A MIX AND A RANGE OF TYPOLOGIES.

AND REALLY THIS IS THE FURTHEST KIND OF BREAKDOWN OF A GRAIN OF TYPOLOGIES AND SCALE OF BUILDINGS THROUGH THERE.

AND SO WHERE THEY'RE EVEN BEGINNING TO LOOK AT AS YOU MOVED FROM THE GREENSWARD OUT, THE TYPOLOGY BEGAN TO BREAK DOWN AND SCALE.

AND SO AS IT COULD MOVE INTO THE WOODS, LET'S JUST SAY YOU COULD HAVE A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX AND YOUR WALK WOULD BE TO THE WOODS OR IN THROUGH THE WOODS AND REALLY TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS AND ASPECTS ON THERE.

AND SO IT WAS REALLY ABOUT CREATING, AGAIN, THAT RANGE OF LIFESTYLES THAT COULD EMERGE THROUGH VARYING TYPOLOGIES AND JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONES, YOU'RE SEEING THIS KIND OF CLUBHOUSE FEATURE THERE ON THE SOUTH END WHERE NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD, THE ENTRY KIND OF COMES IN THERE.

AND THEN AT COLLIER STREET KIND OF CREATING THIS AGAIN, A KIND OF FOYER OR A COMMUNITY ROOM THAT BECOMES THE HINGE POINT UNTIL YOU MOVE INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE THREE SCHEMES THAT CAME OUT AND THE RANGES.

SO EACH ONE OF THESE AGAIN, CREATES ABOUT 400 UNITS OR HAS THE POTENTIAL OF 400 UNITS.

THIS IS VERY FIRST STEPS.

THESE WERE JUST US TAKING WHAT CAME OUT OF THE CHARRETTE, BEGINNING TO JUST KIND OF ORGANIZE IT AND KIND OF HARD LINE IT INTO A DIAGRAMMATIC FORM TODAY FOR YOU ALL FOR THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON.

AND SO NEXT STEPS THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GATHER PUBLIC FEEDBACK, ANY PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT'S AVAILABLE, GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK, OBVIOUSLY, OF COURSE, TODAY, BUT ALSO PULLING TOGETHER A FINAL REPORT.

THAT FINAL REPORT WILL BE DELIVERED ON JUNE 12TH TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND SO THAT WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT WILL ALSO HAVE, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT COME OUT OF TONIGHT, ONE FINALIZED KIND OF PLAN THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DEVELOPED THAN WHAT YOU SAW TODAY OF THOSE THREE.

AND THAT CAN REALLY GO AHEAD AND BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO TO THE COUNTY TO BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL SITE PLAN PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE AND ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD PAST THIS PUBLIC CHARRETTE PROCESS AND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND MOVING TOWARDS DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WITH THAT ANY COMMISSION FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS, I WOULD ALSO ASK GREG AND DAVID TO COME UP IF THEY WANT TO COME UP AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.

WELL, I GOT A PRETTY GOOD LIST.

GOT A GOOD LIST? YEAH.

ONE THING IS THAT OF THE 40 OR 50 PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE THAT NIGHT, WERE THERE ANY OF THEM THAT INDICATED THAT THEY WERE ONE THAT NEEDED HOUSING? THERE WERE A FEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT WORK WITH AT NEED, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANYBODY THAT EVENING THAT I.

YEAH, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION EITHER, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D BE CURIOUS.

I THINK IT'D BE KIND OF FUN OR NOT FUN NECESSARILY TO PROACTIVELY SEEK OUT SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE AND SOME NURSES FROM THE HOSPITAL AND SAY, SIT DOWN AND THINK, WHAT WOULD YOU BE ATTRACTED TO? WHAT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO? WE COULD DO THAT PROACTIVELY, BE REALLY NICE.

DID THEY DID THE CHARRETTE CONSIDER WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ARMY WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR EACH LEVEL? IT DIDN'T, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BREAK DOWN WHEN THE PERFORMER IS FULLY DEVELOPED WITH THE FINANCING.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULDN'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT EVENING, THAT EVENING OR THAT DAY WAS REALLY TO AGAIN, GET INTO THE VISUALS OF WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY DESIRE, THE KIND OF LOOK AND FEEL, THE KIND OF DENSITY AND THOSE TYPOLOGIES.

THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED AS A DEVELOPER'S BROUGHT ON AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, WHATEVER, FINANCIAL.

RIGHT. AND YOU HAD SOME REALLY GOOD DRAWINGS OF THE WALKABILITY AND THE BIKING, BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT A SAINT AUGUSTINE RESIDENT OR EMPLOYEE WOULD EVEN GET TO LIVE THERE. CORRECT.

I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE THIS IS OPEN TO THE COUNTY.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN.

RESERVE. WE CAN'T RESERVE ANY SPOTS FOR.

THERE'S WAYS TO WRITE INTO ANY.

COVENANTS THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY TO THOSE ARE ALL, I THINK, NEGOTIABLE WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT YOU WOULD BRING IN OR BRING.

OKAY. THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT.

IT DOES DEPEND, THOUGH, IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING CERTAIN HUD MONEY AND SO ON, THEN, YOU KNOW, AS PER USUAL, WE'RE LOW ON THE TOTEM POLE OF CRITERIA. SO THE FEDS OR THE STATE, WHICHEVER, WHEREVER THEY'RE GETTING THEIR MONEY FROM, IF THEY CHOOSE TO FINANCE THAT WAY, WOULD ALSO HAVE A SAY, RIGHT.

WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T TACK ON AS CONDITIONS.

OKAY. JUST COULD I JUMP IN HERE, JIM? NOT TO DISTRACT YOU? NO, PLEASE. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE PROPERTY.

I MEAN, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY? I THINK SO WE NEED TO REALLY INVESTIGATE COVENANTS OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT IS A GREAT DEAL OF ASSETS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN TO BRING THIS HOUSING DOWN.

RIGHT. AND JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, COVENANTS HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE IN FLORIDA.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DAVID AND I HAVE BEEN EXPLORING IS HOW TO MAKE THAT MARTA PROOF.

SO THE MARKETABLE RECORD TITLE ACT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE FOR US, BUT WE CAN PLAT THE PROPERTY AND INCLUDE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT LIVE ON PAST MARTA.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO WHAT WE WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON WAS TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE INDEFINITELY.

YES. AND THAT'S MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD THAN TACKING ON ALL SORTS OF RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS OR WORKING AT THE CITY AND SO ON, THAT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, TO CERTAINLY ENFORCE ON A GOING FORWARD.

BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAD STARTED TO LOOK AT THOSE AND MR SPRINGFIELD HAS THE FLOOR.

SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FINISH UP.

OKAY. BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION, I KNOW WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THERE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPE AND ALL THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE MANAGED.

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A SEPARATE COMPANY MANAGING THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD DO THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT AND MOWING AND WELL, YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE SOME SORT OF HOA DEVELOPED IN THIS THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING ANY OF THE PUBLIC SPACE.

OKAY, THANKS.

THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER BLONDER, I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN ON THAT POINT THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY MADE ABOUT THOSE COVENANTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY TALKED A LOT ABOUT WRITING IN PREFERENCE GIVEN FIRST TO X, Y OR Z.

SO I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN ON THAT POINT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO IN ANY OTHER ORDER.

SURE. NO, THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED MAYBE EVEN NEED TO BREAK OUT A DISCUSSION ON WHEN THE TIME COMES.

I JUST HAD TWO MORE SMALLER QUESTIONS, REALLY.

AND IT'S ALONG THE LINES I THINK OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, SPRINGFIELD HERE IN TERMS OF WHO PARTICIPATED, HOW MANY PEOPLE PARTICIPATED, WHAT CHARACTERISTICS LIKE WHAT WERE THEY CITY RESIDENTS?

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WERE THEY COUNTY RESIDENTS? I'D LIKE TO SEE A BREAKOUT OF THAT AS WELL AS THE SUMMARIZATION OF THE CONCERNS IN PARTICULAR AND THE POSITIVE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE FROM THEM.

SO COMMENTS THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE PUBLIC ARE VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO ALL OF US AS WE MAKE OUR DECISION.

SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY, I HOPE I'M SPEAKING ACCURATELY ON THAT.

I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE SOME MIXED USE BECAUSE THAT GOES TO THE PEDESTRIAN AND WALKABILITY, THE WALKABLE, I'M SORRY, WALKABILITY AND BIKE ABILITY AND REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY ON HOLMES BOULEVARD.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY DO A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT HERE WHERE WE INCORPORATE A LOT OF AS MANY DIFFERENT SUITABLE SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS, INCLUDING FLORIDA FRIENDLY GARDENING, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN IN OUR CALL FOR PROPOSALS SO THAT WE HAVE THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, POTENTIALLY, VICE MAYOR HORVATH, IS THAT WE CAN TAKE PEOPLE OUT TO THE SITE AND SHOW THEM HOW YOU BUILD A RAIN GARDEN AND SHOW THEM HOW IT'S WORKING.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE.

OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER GARRIS, YOU SAID THAT YOU DID SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE COCAINA.

THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO EACH OF THE SCHEMES TRIED TO MAINTAIN AN AREA WHERE THAT COCAINA COULD STILL BE PROCESSED WITHOUT REALLY IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

SO IT WAS REALLY COMING IN OFF OF NORTH HOLMES TOWARDS THE NORTH END OF IT, RATHER THAN COMING IN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, THAT STILL WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT.

BUT THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL OF OF MAINTAINING THOSE THE COQUINA QUARRY, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CITY.

OKAY. ALSO, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME HOUSING THAT HAS HAPPENED ON 207 AND THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE OVER $35,000.

THERE WAS A LOT OF GUIDELINES.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A PRIOR EVICTION, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS OR THAT.

AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HOURS ARE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY HAS ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS, NOBODY SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A CUSTODIAN OR A LOW PAYING EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE INTO THIS THIS KIND OF HOUSING.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DISCUSS AT A LATER TIME WITH THE GUIDELINES ARE BECAUSE I KNOW THE HOUSING THAT I HEARD AT THE CARE THING STARTED AT THEY HAD TO HAVE $35,000.

THEY HAD TO MAKE $35,000 FOR ONE PERSON JUST TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT HOUSING.

AND THAT WAS PAYING $800 A MONTH FOR ONE BEDROOM AND IT WAS MORE FOR TWO BEDROOMS. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK OUT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. GOOD COMMENTS.

VICE MAYOR. YES.

UM, WELL, FIRST, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY AND I ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC EARLIER.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE COULDN'T GO TO THE CHARRETTE, WHICH OUR ATTORNEYS ALWAYS KEEPING US OUT OF TROUBLE. SO BUT THESE SCHEMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE THREE WERE BASICALLY DEVELOPED IN ONE HOUR, WOULDN'T YOU SAY? I MEAN, YOU GAVE AN HOUR PRESENTATION.

YEAH, IT WAS PRETTY QUICK.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THEM.

BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT TO DEVELOP THE FINAL THAT WE HOPE TO SEE SOMETIME IN JUNE.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THE NOTE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE ON THE 12TH OF JUNE.

I'LL BE IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS NATIONAL CONVENTION.

SO IF WE COULD MAKE IT THE 26TH, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM. I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A PROBLEM BECAUSE I AM COMING IN THE NIGHT OF THE SUNDAY NIGHT AND I'LL BE COMING STRAIGHT HERE, SO.

OH, GOOD. YEAH, WELL, I FIGURED I NEEDED A COUPLE MORE DAYS IN SAN FRANCISCO.

IT'S A LONG FLIGHT OUT THERE AND BACK.

UM, ONE THING I WAS LOOKING AT, AND MAYBE IT'S THE SCALE OF WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE US ADDRESSING THE AMENITIES MUCH. THE LAKES, THE WETLANDS.

UM, AND THEN I HOPE THAT IN THE NEXT ROUND THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT PERHAPS FOOTBRIDGE OVER THE, OVER THE LAKE AND DEVELOPING THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE FRONT LAKE WHICH HAS SOME UPLANDS, I THINK THAT

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THAT WOULD BE A NICE AMENITY I REALLY LIKED IN THE SCHEME.

THAT THEY HAD THE PUBLIC BUILDING AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OFF OF HOMES.

I THINK THAT MAKES GREAT SENSE.

AND THE FACT THAT THEY COULD ALSO VIEW OVER THAT LAKE AND THAT LAKE WAS OUR WATER SOURCE FOR THE CITY FOR QUITE A WHILE.

SO WE COULD TIE IN SOME HISTORY THERE, WHICH I THINK IS VALUABLE.

UM. THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THESE SCHEMES TOO, I THINK THAT THE PARKING SEEMS A LITTLE LIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE JUST SCHEMES AND VERY LARGE, I MEAN SMALL DETAIL HERE, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, EXCEEDING THE 35FT IN A POD.

I. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE GREATEST VARIETY THAT WE CAN GET.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE MIXED USE BECAUSE I THINK THAT, AGAIN, WORKS FOR US.

SO A MIX OF THE BUILDING TYPES, HEIGHTS, MAYBE TYPOLOGY.

IF WE GO OVER THE THREE FLOORS, WE'LL NEED TO HAVE ELEVATORS, WHICH MAKES IT LESS AFFORDABLE, BUT IT MAY BE THOSE ARE THE MARKET RATE UNITS, YOU KNOW, BUT AND THEN ALSO TO BE ABLE TO PERHAPS I THINK YOU CITED IT THE TUCK UNDER PARKING SITUATION.

I THINK THAT MAKES TREMENDOUS SENSE.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

NOW, I HAVE HEARD SOME FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR ROYAL SOMETHING ROYAL IN AUGUSTINE.

SAINT AUGUSTINE, YEAH.

AND THEY REALLY WANT SOME KIND OF.

WAY OF NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE JUST MEANDERING FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT OVER INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A WALL SYSTEM OR SOME KIND OF SYSTEM THAT.

THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

SO IF WE COULD ADDRESS THAT.

OH, AGAIN, I THINK WE AT LEAST I SEE US FINDING ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THE PUBLIC OR OUR UTILITIES LAYOUT AREA.

I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING QUITE A.

A GOOD MIX.

AND I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE SOFT ENGINEERING, THE CONSIDERATION OF ECOLOGY AND SUSTAINABILITY.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAKE A STATEMENT.

WALK THE WALK THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

AND I'M VERY EXCITED AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU COME UP ON IN JUNE.

BUT THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO ME, AGAIN, ARE THE FACT THAT WE MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.

THE AFFORDABLE PORTION.

FOREVER AFFORDABLE.

AND THAT WE HAVE SOME WAY OF DEVELOPING A SET ASIDE OR SOME WAY TO EARMARK BECAUSE OF OUR INVESTMENT OF PROPERTY IN THIS.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO AND AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT I KNOW YOU'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

SO BACK TO THE MAYOR.

THANK YOU. SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND FILLING US IN.

UM, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT INTERCONNECTIVITY, WHICH I'M GLAD THAT YOU ADDED THE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT ANY INTERCONNECTIVITY THERE.

UM. PRETTY CLOSE.

SO BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CALL.

YOUR CONSIDERATION OF CONNECTING INTO COLLIER, I THINK, AND ALSO THE BIKABLE, THE WALKABLE AND THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE TRIED TO DESIGN A WAY FROM THE SOUTHERN, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THAT COULD DUST UP PRETTY BAD.

SO I BUT GENERALLY WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I AGREE WITH SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS TO WORK OUT MOVING FORWARD. I THINK ON I THINK OUR CONCERNS FROM OUR WE ALL SHARE, WHICH IS HOW DO WE.

YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE? THEY OWN THE PROPERTY.

IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY SINCE IT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES IS WHAT YOU SAID.

IT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES FROM THE CITY PROPER, NOT THE CITY LIMIT, BUT THE CITY PROPER, WHAT WE CONSIDER THE HEART OF THE CITY.

SO THAT'S GOING TO REALLY BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK REALLY HARD ON.

SO BUT PLEASE CONTINUE THE WORK, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

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THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

YEAH, THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE MAN THAT SPOKE EARLIER BECAUSE I HAD A COUGHING SESSION, SO I HAD TO GO IN THE BACK, SO I MISSED PART OF YOUR VIDEO, SO I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. UM, MR. CITY MANAGER, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? THE PATH FORWARD? NO. NEXT STEPS.

WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE THE SAME OFFER TO DAVID, WHO'S BEEN THE PROJECT MANAGER.

ALL RIGHT. MR. BERTRAM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND TELL US WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE AND WHAT YOU RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD? WELL, WE WILL TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE FINAL REPORT, WHICH WILL BE ON JUNE 26TH.

NOW, SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK ON THAT.

WE'LL TRY TO GATHER THAT DATA ABOUT THE ATTENDANCE OF THE CHARRETTE.

AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT ATTENDED, AND WE WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK AND ALSO THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK.

WE'LL JUST KEEP WORKING ON IT.

WE UNDERSTAND YOUR PRIORITIES AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OH, YES. ONE MORE. IF WE'RE REALLY CONSIDERING COLLIER, COULD WE TALK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT MURRAY AND THE TRAFFIC? THAT'S AN ALREADY BUSY THING ON SCHOOL DAYS.

CERTAINLY. WE SURE WILL. THANK YOU.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A PART OF THE PLAN.

IT'S JUST I THINK INTERCONNECTIVITY IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO DO.

TO DO, IF POSSIBLE.

SO. BUT I DON'T WANT TO ALARM THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SCENARIO THAT WAS INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE NORTH WAS DISCUSSED JUST TO COLLIER TO THE SOUTH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.