[1. Call to Order]
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I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.IT IS A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND, MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ALL HERE.
IT'S GOOD. WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED WITH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[2. General Public Comments.]
ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS TO PRESENT? I DON'T SEE ANY HERE ON THE DESK.IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? IF YOU WOULD? WILL YOU PLEASE PROCEED TO THE PODIUM? GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND COULD YOU ALSO, WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE AFTER YOU SPEAK, FILL OUT A CARD FOR US.
BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
OF COURSE. MY NAME IS DANA MICHAEL MCAULIFFE.
WE'VE WORKED WITH DWAYNE ALEXANDER UP IN JACKSONVILLE, THE HEAD OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THERE.
AND WE'RE DOING A PROJECT NOW IN DAYTONA BEACH CALLED BRENTWOOD VILLAGE.
IT'S 28 UNITS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS.
WE'RE WORKING WITH MID-FLORIDA HOUSING, WHICH THESE ARE MOSTLY TEACHERS, NURSES, FIRST RESPONDERS.
THERE WE GO. THIS IS A 28 UNIT COMPLEX DOWN IN DAYTONA BEACH.
DAYTONA IS GOING TO HELP WITH THE LOW TO MODERATE.
INCOME HOUSING IN DAYTONA BEACH.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THESE HOUSES HERE, SMALL HOMES RANGE FROM 450 TO 600FT².
THEY ARE CONCRETE BLOCK WITH METAL ROOFS.
THEY WILL HAVE THEY WILL EACH OWNER WILL HAVE A 35 BY 75 FOOT LOT OF THEIR OWN.
THESE ARE NOT RENTALS AT THIS TIME AT LEAST.
SO THESE ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY MID FLORIDA HOUSING.
I BOUGHT A SOME DRAWINGS OF THE MODELS AND THINGS TO LOOK AT.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOUSE BILL 1339 BACK IN 2000, I BELIEVE THAT'S GOVERNOR DESANTIS DECIDED TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY.
GUIDING TRY TO REZONE PROPERTY IN A HEARTBEAT LIKE 30 DAYS.
OTHER COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE DONE THIS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WORKS WITH THAT.
I HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HOMES OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THOSE AND THINGS.
LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE MORE ARE GEARED TOWARD FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.
THESE THESE COULD BE THIS COULD BE A COMMUNITY FOR RENTALS ANYWHERE HERE THE WE HAVE OTHER ANOTHER PROJECT IN OFF OF NEW BERLIN ROAD UP IN OCEAN WAY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH OUR HOUSE IS FROM.
2 OR 3 BEDROOMS ARE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PRICE POINTS WHERE YOU CAN SOMEONE CAN OWN A HOME AT LEAST FOR UNDER $200,000.
THAT'S WHAT IT MATTERS HOW MUCH THE LAND IS AND.
THE GRADING AND CIVIL WORK AND ALL THAT.
BUT OTHERWISE, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU'RE WELCOME TO PROCEED.
THESE HERE RUN FROM 140 TO $170,000.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE DON'T WE'RE GETTING THE PRICES OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS NOW AS WE SPEAK.
THIS HAS A DOG PARK IN THE BACK, HAS A NURSERY.
THE DOG PARK. THERE'S A PAVILION, THERE'S A KIDS PLAYGROUND.
THIS SITS ON THREE AND THREE QUARTER ACRES.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN THE LAST.
BIT OF COMMENTS FROM THE CITY HERE, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS TO MOVE ON.
AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR OTHER PROJECTS.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF CLEARWATER.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST HELP AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
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ANYBODY THE WE HAVE A I HAVE LOTS OF DRAWINGS I COULD BRING TO SHOW YOU AT SOME OTHER TIME OF WE HAVE PROPERTIES OF 150 BY 100FT THAT HAVE SIX UNITS ON IT, 850FT² APIECE, ALL ZIGZAGGED.THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T LIKE TOWNHOMES.
THEY DON'T LOOK MUNDANE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO SAY, TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, IF I CAN GET A MEETING WITH THE CITY SOMETIME AND REALLY LOOK AT SOME PROPERTY THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AVAILABLE, WE HAVE IN-HOUSE FINANCING. SO WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE EVERYTHING.
ENGINEERS, EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT.
BUT ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING.
YES. COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND LEAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION WITH MR. BIRCHIM, WHO'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU? THANK YOU. YES, VERY GOOD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT IS STILL OPEN.
DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO STEP TO THE PODIUM AND MAKE A COMMENT OR.
SO IN THAT CASE, I SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD.
[3. Discussion regarding the affordable housing feasibility study and public charette.]
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THE PUBLIC CHARRETTE MR. BIRCHIM. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.DAVID BIRCHAM ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
I'D JUST LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE JEFF HUBER AND GREG BURKE.
THEY WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM BROOKS AND SCARPA.
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BROOKS AND SCARPA.
COMMISSIONERS. JUST GET THIS OPEN.
SO BACK ON MARCH 27TH, WE HAD A CHARRETTE A PUBLIC CHARRETTE IN THIS ROOM ACTUALLY HAD A PRETTY GOOD ATTENDANCE OF ABOUT 40 OR 50 PEOPLE IN THAT CHARRETTE, OBVIOUSLY, TO TALK ABOUT 450 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD.
AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE SITE.
I KNOW THAT YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE SITE AND A KEY OPPORTUNITY, REALLY TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IN PARTICULAR.
I JUST BROKEN THIS PRESENTATION OUT INTO A FEW DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT WOULD KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CHARRETTE, AS WELL AS SOME PRECURSOR INFORMATION AS WELL AS SOME PRECEDENTS.
SO. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT QUOTE FROM COMMISSIONER BLONDER WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO THIS, THAT, AGAIN, THIS SITE IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AS A CITY, FOR THE COUNTY TO REALLY ADDRESS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE HAVING ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND SPECIFICALLY IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO WE WERE REALLY HONORED TO BE ASKED TO COME IN TO HELP GO AHEAD AND FACILITATE THE CHARRETTE AND REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS DESIRES WERE.
AND WE GOT A LOT OF INSIGHT AND A LOT OF COMMENTS.
AND AGAIN, LOOKING TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON.
WE COULDN'T FIND A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THIS ON THE HOMEOWNERS SIDE.
BUT THIS IS A PRETTY CONSISTENT FACT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE HAVING TREMENDOUS BURDENS.
THEY'RE FIREFIGHTERS, THEY'RE POLICE OFFICERS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE EVEN ARCHITECTS LIKE ME THAT ARE COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL.
THEY'RE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND SO ON.
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AND JUST IMAGINE THAT'S AROUND $20,000 A YEAR, $25,000 A YEAR, AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50% AMI TO 80% AMI AND EVEN TO 120% AMI THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME.AND SO THESE AGAIN ARE GOING TO JUST BECOME MORE CHALLENGES.
IT USED TO BE THAT WE WERE DESIGNING HOMES FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OR FOR COMMUNITY LAND DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS OR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS FOR ABOUT $105 TO $125 A SQUARE FOOT.
A SQUARE FOOT IS ABOUT THE MINIMUM WE CAN GET DOWN.
YOU HAVE TO BUILD QUALITY INTO THEM AND THAT WE WANT TO ALSO BUILD DURABILITY IN OTHER FACTORS.
AND SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATIONS.
AND THEN, TOO, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING A HOMEOWNER OR EVEN A RENTER INTO THESE PROPERTIES, YOU REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND PROPER DESIGN FOR ORIENTATION, FOR DAYLIGHTING, FOR OTHER ASPECTS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS CHARRETTE FOR 450 NORTH HOMES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE COSTS OF A MONTHLY RENT OR A MONTHLY MORTGAGE PAYMENT, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE COST OF THE UTILITY BILLS. IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE COSTS OF EVERY OTHER PIECE OF MONTHLY OR MONTHLY COSTS THAT COME INTO THAT.
AND SO THESE ARE JUST REALLY IMPORTANT FACTORS TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH AS WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT.
OUR GOALS WERE TO LOOK AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 400 UNITS OF HOUSING.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT 30% ALL THE WAY TO 120% AMI AND MARKET RATE HOUSING.
AND THAT WAS A CRITICAL ASPECT TO THINK THROUGH.
AND SO THE PROPOSED SCHEMES ALSO BEGAN TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE RETROFIT NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS ALONG NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD WERE REALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ULTIMATELY KIND OF ACHIEVE BETTER BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, BIKE-ABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, WALKABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, EVEN POTENTIAL OF MASS TRANSIT, BECAUSE MANY OF THESE COMMUNITIES, THE COST BURDEN IS ALSO IN THE TRANSPORTATION THAT THEY HAVE AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF EVEN OWNING AN AUTOMOBILE THESE DAYS.
WE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT COLLIER STREET AS A SECONDARY ACCESS TO THE SITE.
THERE WERE A LOT OF TALK DURING THAT, CHARETTE ABOUT A POTENTIAL OF LAYDOWN AREA TO BE MAINTAINED FOR THE CITY'S UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, AND I KNOW THAT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TODAY FROM YOU ALL.
I THINK IT'S IN REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT A RANGE OF TYPOLOGIES OF HOUSING, A RANGE OF LIFESTYLE POSSIBILITIES THAT COULD HAPPEN, KNOWING THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN A LAWN, BUT LIKE TO LOOK AT GREEN SPACE KNOWING THAT SOME DO LIKE TO HAVE.
AND SO THIS OBJECTIVE OF THE CHARRETTE WAS REALLY TO BEGIN TO DEVELOP AN URBAN PERFORMER AND AN URBAN VISION FOR WHAT THAT OR A COMMUNITY VISION FOR WHAT THAT SITE COULD BE.
AND ULTIMATELY, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE UP TO 15 UNITS AN ACRE OF DENSITY.
AND SO I WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS.
SO 450 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN COMPARISON TO WHERE OLD TOWN IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT A FIVE, FIVE MILE, WALKABLE, BIKEABLE RADIUS, I SHOULD SAY.
SO JUST KIND OF SEE THOSE KIND OF ASPECTS.
WE DID LOOK AT A WALK SCORE HERE.
I BELIEVE IT GETS A WALK SCORE.
IT HAD A BIKE SCORE OF ABOUT 35, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT VERY BIKEABLE.
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BUT ALSO IT KIND OF MEANT THAT WE ALSO WANT TO MAYBE ACHIEVE OTHER PROGRAMS ON THE SITE OTHER THAN JUST HOUSING ALONE, LOOKING AT CHILD CARE, LOOKING AT ELDER CARE ON THE ON THAT SITE, LOOKING AT SOME POTENTIAL OF SOME COMMERCIAL AND SOME OTHER FACILITIES ON THERE THAT COULD HELP TO BUILD A BETTER WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE SCORE AS WELL.AS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONNECT TO THAT.
AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE OVERALL, I THINK YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLY WELL MATURE TREED SITE.
BUT THE TOTAL SITE IS 82.5 ACRES, 48.4 ACRES OF THOSE ARE UPLANDS.
AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE ALL THIS INTO ACCOUNT, YOU REALLY ONLY ACHIEVE 27.7 ACRES OF BUILDABLE AREA.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT 15 UNITS AN ACRE DENSITY THRESHOLD, YOU CAN START TO SEE, WELL, WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT AT THAT CUSP OF 400 UNITS TO 450 UNITS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ON THIS SITE.
AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A DIAGRAM, JUST THAT WE HELP TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE BUFFERS FOR THE WETLANDS, THE WATERWAYS AND OTHER FACILITIES ON THERE AND THEN JUST KIND OF HATCHING IN WITH THOSE BLACK DIAGONAL LINES THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE WHERE ALL THE BUILDABLE AREAS.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT, THERE'S A BUNCH OF LITTLE RED DOTS IN THAT BUILDABLE AREA, WHICH ARE THE EXISTING SOME OF THE MATURE KIND OF HERITAGE TREES AS WELL AS THOSE TREES THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AS POTENTIAL PRESERVATION OR THEY'RE GOING TO AT LEAST BE MITIGATED.
AND SO THOSE ARE SOME BIG CONCERNS ON THE SITE.
BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THIS ISN'T ACHIEVABLE.
AND SO THIS JUST KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THAT THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE SITE AS BEING OPEN RURAL.
THE COUNTY DOES ALLOW THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS ON RESIDENTIAL TO BE 13 UNITS AN ACRE.
THERE IS ACTIVE MINING OPERATIONS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT FROM DUSTS FROM SEDIMENT, OTHER ISSUES OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS WATER QUALITY ISSUES TO CONSIDER.
AND SO THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE SITE PROGRAMING THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS DIAGRAM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, YOU CAN SEE A COMMUNITY CENTER, PRESCHOOL, CHILD CARE, ART GALLERIES, POTENTIAL STUDIOS, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES, BIKING WALKING PATHS, TRANSPORTATION HUB AND THAT TRANSPORTATION HUB REALLY BEING UP TOWARDS NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD AS A POTENTIAL.
AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN ONE OF THE THREE SCHEMES THAT WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH THE CHARRETTE.
ALSO LOOKING AT EMERGENCY AND RESILIENCY HUB, THIS IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT IN COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GETTING POST-PANDEMIC AND THINKING ABOUT WHERE DO WE HAVE WHERE WE CAN HOST SERVICES, HAND OUT SUPPLIES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT ALSO PROVIDES AN AREA FOR INFORMATION, BUT ALSO PROVIDES A SHELTER FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY THAT MAY NEED TO GET TO THAT.
THIS IS WHERE THE 450 YEAR CELEBRATION CONCRETE WAS.
WHAT THE AGGREGATE FOR THAT CONCRETE AND COQUINA WAS MINED.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO KIND OF CONSIDER DO WE MAINTAIN AN ACTIVE COQUINA QUARRYING OPERATION ON THERE? AND SO SOME OF THE SCHEMES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY WERE ALSO LOOKING AT THAT.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO BREEZE THROUGH A FEW OF THESE THINGS.
BUT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE CHARETTE AND IT'S VISUALIZING DENSITY.
DENSITY ALWAYS GETS A VERY BAD WORD, THE D WORD.
I DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT IN MOST COMMUNITIES OR INTENSITY.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INTENSITY, WE'RE USUALLY TALKING ABOUT A FLOOR AREA RATIO.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, WE'RE USUALLY TALKING ABOUT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THESE ARE THE WAYS IN WHICH ZONING CODES GO AHEAD AND OPTIMIZE OR HOW WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE PATTERNS ON THE SITE.
AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THIS.
THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE BOOK CALLED VISUALIZING DENSITY, BY THE WAY.
THAT'S WHERE THESE IMAGES COME OUT OF.
BUT THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS FOUR UNITS AN ACRE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE ON THIS SITE, 15 UNITS AN ACRE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY REMAKING OLD TOWN OR HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO REMAKE OF AN OLD TOWN THAT HAS THAT KIND OF WALKABILITY, THAT LIVABILITY THAT WE ALL LOVE AND DESIRE ABOUT DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE OR OLD TOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE.
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AROUND TOWN. SO PEOPLE BEGAN TO GET FAMILIAR WITH WHAT DIFFERENT DENSITY RANGES WILL LOOK AT IN KIND OF THESE FORMATS.AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE, EIGHT UNITS TO THE LEFT TO 15 UNITS AN ACRE.
AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT SOME MULTIFAMILY TYPES.
AND SO THIS IS NOT WE IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE BECAUSE AGAIN, 15 UNITS AN ACRE IS ABOUT THE THRESHOLD THAT YOU MAKE MASS TRANSIT BY BUSSES FEASIBLE.
IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE THAT FEASIBLE.
I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT 450 NORTH HOMES IS A KIND OF A CONCENTRATED FORM OF 15 UNITS AN ACRE THAT WOULD ACHIEVE A CERTAIN THRESHOLD FOR THAT DENSITY TO BECOME AND ALLOW FOR MASS TRANSIT TO BE FEASIBLE.
I'M ASSUMING YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THIS TERM BEFORE, BUT WHY IT'S CALLED MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IS BECAUSE IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN SEEN FOR THE LAST 70 YEARS SINCE POST WORLD WAR TWO. WE PRIMARILY BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES, WHAT I WOULD CALL BEDROOM WAREHOUSES OR BEDROOM BOXES, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S THIS WHOLE AGGREGATION OF THIS MISSING MIDDLE OF TYPOLOGIES OF HOUSING.
AND THESE ARE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUAD PLEXES THESE ARE MANSION APARTMENTS, BUNGALOW COURTS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES THAT WE WANTED TO KIND OF EXPRESS, EXPLORE AND TALK ABOUT AT THE CHARRETTE.
SO WE KIND OF GAVE SOME VISUAL ELEMENTS TO THAT.
AND SO WE GAVE SOME SAMPLINGS TO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE KIND OF LOOKED AT THESE APPROACHES.
THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE PROJECT ON THE LEFT, JACKSON MEADOW, WHICH IS A PROJECT IN MINNESOTA.
AND THEN OTHERS THAT ARE MORE AGGREGATED AROUND A RURAL KIND OF TUCKED INTO AN EXISTING STANDS OF TREES AND HAS A KIND OF A LANGUAGE ABOUT IT TOO, THAT'S VERY VERNACULAR OR OF THE PLACE IN ITS LOOK AND FEEL.
AND THEN THE PROJECT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS PRAIRIE CROSSING OUTSIDE OF CHICAGO.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS JUST SOME OF THE KIND OF AGGREGATION OF SMALLER ENCLAVES OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A BROADER KIND OF AGRARIAN LANDSCAPE THAT'S STILL BEING MAINTAINED AS A FARM.
AND THEN WE LOOKED ACROSS SOME OF OUR PROJECTS.
THIS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE JUST HAPPENS TO BE A DUPLEX THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THAT LOOKS AT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, GREATER ARCHITECTURE WITH THINGS LIKE PORCHES AND SOCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
THESE WERE ALWAYS A VERY KIND OF TRADITIONAL SPACE THAT WE WOULD MEET AND GREET OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE CULTURE, OBVIOUSLY TO THAT.
BUT THERE'S ALSO WE WANTED TO POINT OUT OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE SEEING A PROJECT THAT WE DID IN LOS ANGELES THAT IS AGAIN TRYING TO ACHIEVE A SCALE AND A MASS. AND AGAIN, WE ARE MAXED OUT ON THIS SIDE AT 35FT IN HEIGHT, I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE STORIES AND UNDER.
SO THIS IS JUST ONE FLOOR OVER WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE OR WOULD BE FOR THIS SITE.
BUT IT IS A KIND OF TRADITIONAL COURTYARD HOUSING OVER A PODIUM OF PARKING.
AND SO THERE'S WAYS TO ACHIEVE PARKING WITHOUT IT LOOKING LIKE A PARKING LOT WHERE YOU COULD TUCK SOME OF THAT UNDER HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL SPACE, WHICH THIS IS A KIND OF MIXED USE. ONE. SO WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF SHOW SOME OF THOSE TYPOLOGIES.
AGAIN, ANOTHER FEW THAT ARE COURTYARD TYPES THAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT THAT DAY OF THE CHARRETTE, A FEW OTHER COURTYARD TYPES THAT WERE LOOKING AT IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE SOME ELDERLY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND ACTUALLY AT RISK YOUTH HOUSING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED.
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AND WE GAVE SCALE DRAWINGS THAT THEY COULD EASILY KIND OF TAKE ON SKETCH TRACE AND KIND OF MOVE OVER TO THE PLANS AND KIND OF UTILIZE.AND SO THAT WAS JUST SOME OF THOSE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS PARKING FORMATS FOR PARKING IS A IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN MAKE OR BREAK A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH HOW IT'S PARKED.
AND WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT A RANGE OF TYPOLOGIES.
SO YOU HAVE CENTRAL LOTS, PERIMETER LOTS TUCK UNDER PARKING, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IN SOME OF THESE WHERE YOU PARK UNDERNEATH PARTS OF THE BUILDING, YOU COULD HAVE INTERNAL STRUCTURES, WHAT THEY AFFECTIONATELY CALL THE TEXAS DONUT, WHERE THE BUILDING ACTUALLY SURROUNDS THE PARKING GARAGE.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO GO TO THAT LEVEL OF DENSITY HERE IN A PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE.
BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS.
AND THEN YOU LOOK AT UNDERGROUND PARKING TYPOLOGIES AS WELL AS ALLEYWAYS.
AND THIS IS A PROJECT HERE, SEASIDE IS THAT ALLEYWAYS.
AND SO WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF MOVE CARS OFF THE STREET AND KIND OF AGAIN, TO ACHIEVE THIS KIND OF BETTER CHARACTER, MORE COMMUNITY DESIGN ORIENTED TYPOLOGIES, WE ALSO REALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A LOW LYING SITE.
WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS.
A MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS WETLANDS.
SO HOW DO WE NOT EXACERBATE FLOODING? WHERE I AM, WE JUST HAD ONE OF THE LARGEST WHAT WAS REFERRED TO AS A RAIN BOMB IN FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA, WHICH WAS ABOUT 30IN OF RAINFALL, FELL IN A 7 OR 8 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME AND JUST OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE FREQUENT EVENTS THAT WE SEE.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT LANDSCAPE CAN NO LONGER BE LOOKED AT AS ORNAMENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT AS INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT ASPECT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SITE.
AND I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO PLACE A CONDITION ON IS THAT HOW DO WE CREATE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT FEATURES, BIOSWALES, RAIN GARDENS, OTHER THINGS INTO THE SITE THAT CAN HELP THE WATER QUALITY, BUT ALSO TO MANAGE VOLUMES OF WATER? IT'S PRETTY AMAZING WHAT A TREE CAN DO.
AND WHERE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY KNOWING IT'S THE COUNTY LIKE, HOW DO WE BEGIN TO UTILIZE THE LAND? YOU HAVE A LOT OF LAND THAT'S UNBUILDABLE HERE THAT HAS SOME POTENTIAL TO REALLY BECOME A MODEL FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCY MODEL. SO WE SAW THAT OPPORTUNITY IN HERE.
SO JUST KIND OF GETTING INTO THE CHARETTE AND THE OVERVIEW AND OUTCOMES.
SO THIS WAS OUR DAY OUT THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE ROTATED ONE IMAGE ACCIDENTALLY.
SORRY THERE, BUT WE REALLY HAD A ROBUST CONVERSATION.
THREE TABLES REALLY KIND OF TOOK TO THE TASK FOR THE NEXT 3.5 HOURS AND REALLY CREATED A LOT OF INCREDIBLE KIND OF IDEAS, CONTENT GENERATION AND TALKING THROUGH THAT ULTIMATELY ARISING TO THESE THREE OPTIONS.
SO WE CAME UP WITH POINTS AND LINES FOR THAT ONE AND WHICH YOU'LL SEE WHY THAT IS.
AND THEN A GREENS WORD SCHEME, WHICH REALLY KIND OF SIGNALED SOMETHING LIKE THE PLAZA AND IN OLD TOWN AND KIND OF HOW THAT WE COULD BEGIN TO AGGREGATE COMMUNITY AROUND THAT.
SO OPTION A, BARS AND COURTS REALLY CREATED A KIND OF MULTIFAMILY BAR KIND OF TYPOLOGY.
THERE COULD STILL BE THE POTENTIAL OF KEEPING ACCESS AT COLLIER STREET AS A SECONDARY ACCESS BUT TAKING NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD COMING OFF OF THAT AROUND SOME OF THE WETLANDS AND THEN HAVING A CLUBHOUSE OR A COMMUNITY SPACE THAT WAS REALLY THAT KIND OF CENTRAL ALMOST THAT TERMINATED VISTA.
AS YOU'RE MOVING INTO THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO YOU HAD THAT KIND OF CENTRAL COMMUNITY SPACE THERE AND THEN PARK SPACE AROUND THAT WITH THESE THE MULTIFAMILY KIND OF AGGREGATE AROUND THERE.
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AROUND ONE SINGULAR TYPOLOGY THAT CAN REALLY LOOK INTERESTING IF YOU GET INTO THE SECTIONAL QUALITIES OF IT.SO DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T I JUST WANT TO SAY TODAY, LIKE THE PLAN MAY FEEL A LITTLE MUNDANE, BUT I THINK THE QUALITIES COULD REALLY COME FROM, AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE KIND OF SECTIONAL OR THE ELEVATION OF WHAT THIS ARCHITECTURE LOOKS LIKE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL ONE SIZE.
IT CAN KIND OF MOVE UP AND DOWN.
IT CAN BREAK UP INTO MULTIPLE THINGS.
BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO LOOK AT IS THEY WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE WETLAND SPACES AND REALLY JUST KIND OF DRIVING IN WHERE THEY FELT THE MOST EASE AND MORE MOST ECONOMICS TO BUILD WERE KIND OF IN THAT CENTER OF THE SITE.
AND THIS KIND OF DUMB BELL OR DUMB BAR KIND OF FORMAT THAT WE'RE CALLING THE BARS AND COURT SCHEME.
THIS KIND OF CORRIDOR LOGIC OF 2 OR 3 STORY BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE AGGREGATED AROUND A PARK SPACE.
AND SO THAT THEN ALSO HAD A BUNCH OF OTHER TYPOLOGIES OF HOUSING THAT COULD BREAK DOWN TO IT COULD EVEN BE DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, BUT PRIMARILY THEY WOULD BE DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX QUADPLEX TYPES OF HOUSING THAT KIND OF THEN GETS AGGREGATED.
THIS ONE BEGINS TO BREAK IT OUT AND IDENTIFIED AROUND A FEW DIFFERENT CLUSTERS, THESE KIND OF PARK LIKE ELEMENTS THAT COULD BEGIN TO CREATE ENCLAVES AND COMMUNITIES AROUND THERE. IT COULD ALSO BE A BETTER PHASING STRATEGY IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO PHASE THIS THE SITE IN CONSTRUCTION.
BUT AGAIN, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE SEEING ON THE PREVIOUS SCHEME, THEY'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT A KIND OF TERMINATED VISTA BUILDING THAT COMES IN OFF OF NORTH HOMES THAT YOU KIND OF MOVE AROUND. THEY WERE ALSO SHOWING THE LAY DOWN AREA, BUT THE THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED KIND OF HERE.
THEY ALSO FELT THAT IF THE LAY DOWN AREA WENT AWAY, YOU'D STILL HAVE THAT SECONDARY ACCESS CALL YOUR STREET AND PROBABLY ANOTHER ONE OF THESE PARK LIKE FEATURES THAT COULD BE DOWN THERE. AND THEN THE OPTION.
SEE, THE LAST GAME THAT CAME OUT OF THIS WAS WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO AS A GREENS WORD AND NOW A GREENS WORD IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE THE PLAZA IN DOWNTOWN OR IN OLD TOWN, BUT IT'S ALSO LIKE THE WASHINGTON DC MALL.
NOW THIS IS NOT AT THAT SAME SCALE, BUT IT'S A KIND OF SIMILAR FEATURE WHERE YOU HAVE A VERY FORMAL KIND OF LANDSCAPE THAT COULD BEGIN TO AGGREGATE AND KIND OF ORGANIZE THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE BUILDINGS AROUND THERE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING THAT THERE'S A MIX AND A RANGE OF TYPOLOGIES.
AND SO AS IT COULD MOVE INTO THE WOODS, LET'S JUST SAY YOU COULD HAVE A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX AND YOUR WALK WOULD BE TO THE WOODS OR IN THROUGH THE WOODS AND REALLY TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS AND ASPECTS ON THERE.
AND SO IT WAS REALLY ABOUT CREATING, AGAIN, THAT RANGE OF LIFESTYLES THAT COULD EMERGE THROUGH VARYING TYPOLOGIES AND JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONES, YOU'RE SEEING THIS KIND OF CLUBHOUSE FEATURE THERE ON THE SOUTH END WHERE NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD, THE ENTRY KIND OF COMES IN THERE.
AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE THREE SCHEMES THAT CAME OUT AND THE RANGES.
SO EACH ONE OF THESE AGAIN, CREATES ABOUT 400 UNITS OR HAS THE POTENTIAL OF 400 UNITS.
THESE WERE JUST US TAKING WHAT CAME OUT OF THE CHARRETTE, BEGINNING TO JUST KIND OF ORGANIZE IT AND KIND OF HARD LINE IT INTO A DIAGRAMMATIC FORM TODAY FOR YOU ALL FOR THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON.
AND SO NEXT STEPS THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GATHER PUBLIC FEEDBACK, ANY PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT'S AVAILABLE, GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK, OBVIOUSLY, OF COURSE, TODAY, BUT ALSO PULLING TOGETHER A FINAL REPORT.
THAT FINAL REPORT WILL BE DELIVERED ON JUNE 12TH TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND SO THAT WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THAT CAN REALLY GO AHEAD AND BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO TO THE COUNTY TO BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL SITE PLAN PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE AND ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD PAST THIS PUBLIC CHARRETTE PROCESS AND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND MOVING TOWARDS DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WITH THAT ANY COMMISSION FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS, I WOULD ALSO ASK GREG AND DAVID TO COME UP IF THEY WANT TO COME UP AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD.WELL, I GOT A PRETTY GOOD LIST.
ONE THING IS THAT OF THE 40 OR 50 PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE THAT NIGHT, WERE THERE ANY OF THEM THAT INDICATED THAT THEY WERE ONE THAT NEEDED HOUSING? THERE WERE A FEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT WORK WITH AT NEED, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANYBODY THAT EVENING THAT I.
YEAH, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION EITHER, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D BE CURIOUS.
I THINK IT'D BE KIND OF FUN OR NOT FUN NECESSARILY TO PROACTIVELY SEEK OUT SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE AND SOME NURSES FROM THE HOSPITAL AND SAY, SIT DOWN AND THINK, WHAT WOULD YOU BE ATTRACTED TO? WHAT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO? WE COULD DO THAT PROACTIVELY, BE REALLY NICE.
DID THEY DID THE CHARRETTE CONSIDER WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ARMY WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR EACH LEVEL? IT DIDN'T, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BREAK DOWN WHEN THE PERFORMER IS FULLY DEVELOPED WITH THE FINANCING.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULDN'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT EVENING, THAT EVENING OR THAT DAY WAS REALLY TO AGAIN, GET INTO THE VISUALS OF WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY DESIRE, THE KIND OF LOOK AND FEEL, THE KIND OF DENSITY AND THOSE TYPOLOGIES.
RIGHT. AND YOU HAD SOME REALLY GOOD DRAWINGS OF THE WALKABILITY AND THE BIKING, BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT A SAINT AUGUSTINE RESIDENT OR EMPLOYEE WOULD EVEN GET TO LIVE THERE. CORRECT.
I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE THIS IS OPEN TO THE COUNTY.
RESERVE. WE CAN'T RESERVE ANY SPOTS FOR.
THERE'S WAYS TO WRITE INTO ANY.
OKAY. THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT.
IT DOES DEPEND, THOUGH, IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING CERTAIN HUD MONEY AND SO ON, THEN, YOU KNOW, AS PER USUAL, WE'RE LOW ON THE TOTEM POLE OF CRITERIA. SO THE FEDS OR THE STATE, WHICHEVER, WHEREVER THEY'RE GETTING THEIR MONEY FROM, IF THEY CHOOSE TO FINANCE THAT WAY, WOULD ALSO HAVE A SAY, RIGHT.
WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T TACK ON AS CONDITIONS.
OKAY. JUST COULD I JUMP IN HERE, JIM? NOT TO DISTRACT YOU? NO, PLEASE. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY? I THINK SO WE NEED TO REALLY INVESTIGATE COVENANTS OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT IS A GREAT DEAL OF ASSETS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN TO BRING THIS HOUSING DOWN.
RIGHT. AND JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, COVENANTS HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE IN FLORIDA.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DAVID AND I HAVE BEEN EXPLORING IS HOW TO MAKE THAT MARTA PROOF.
SO THE MARKETABLE RECORD TITLE ACT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE FOR US, BUT WE CAN PLAT THE PROPERTY AND INCLUDE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT LIVE ON PAST MARTA.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
YES. AND THAT'S MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD THAN TACKING ON ALL SORTS OF RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS OR WORKING AT THE CITY AND SO ON, THAT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, TO CERTAINLY ENFORCE ON A GOING FORWARD.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAD STARTED TO LOOK AT THOSE AND MR SPRINGFIELD HAS THE FLOOR.
SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FINISH UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE MANAGED.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A SEPARATE COMPANY MANAGING THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD DO THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT AND MOWING AND WELL, YOU WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE SOME SORT OF HOA DEVELOPED IN THIS THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING ANY OF THE PUBLIC SPACE.
THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER BLONDER, I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN ON THAT POINT THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY MADE ABOUT THOSE COVENANTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY TALKED A LOT ABOUT WRITING IN PREFERENCE GIVEN FIRST TO X, Y OR Z.
SO I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN ON THAT POINT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO IN ANY OTHER ORDER.
I JUST HAD TWO MORE SMALLER QUESTIONS, REALLY.
AND IT'S ALONG THE LINES I THINK OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, SPRINGFIELD HERE IN TERMS OF WHO PARTICIPATED, HOW MANY PEOPLE PARTICIPATED, WHAT CHARACTERISTICS LIKE WHAT WERE THEY CITY RESIDENTS?
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WERE THEY COUNTY RESIDENTS? I'D LIKE TO SEE A BREAKOUT OF THAT AS WELL AS THE SUMMARIZATION OF THE CONCERNS IN PARTICULAR AND THE POSITIVE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE FROM THEM.SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY, I HOPE I'M SPEAKING ACCURATELY ON THAT.
I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE SOME MIXED USE BECAUSE THAT GOES TO THE PEDESTRIAN AND WALKABILITY, THE WALKABLE, I'M SORRY, WALKABILITY AND BIKE ABILITY AND REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY ON HOLMES BOULEVARD.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY DO A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT HERE WHERE WE INCORPORATE A LOT OF AS MANY DIFFERENT SUITABLE SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS, INCLUDING FLORIDA FRIENDLY GARDENING, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN IN OUR CALL FOR PROPOSALS SO THAT WE HAVE THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, POTENTIALLY, VICE MAYOR HORVATH, IS THAT WE CAN TAKE PEOPLE OUT TO THE SITE AND SHOW THEM HOW YOU BUILD A RAIN GARDEN AND SHOW THEM HOW IT'S WORKING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
COMMISSIONER GARRIS, YOU SAID THAT YOU DID SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE COCAINA.
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL OF OF MAINTAINING THOSE THE COQUINA QUARRY, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CITY.
OKAY. ALSO, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME HOUSING THAT HAS HAPPENED ON 207 AND THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE OVER $35,000.
THERE WAS A LOT OF GUIDELINES.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A PRIOR EVICTION, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS OR THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HOURS ARE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY HAS ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS, NOBODY SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A CUSTODIAN OR A LOW PAYING EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE INTO THIS THIS KIND OF HOUSING.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DISCUSS AT A LATER TIME WITH THE GUIDELINES ARE BECAUSE I KNOW THE HOUSING THAT I HEARD AT THE CARE THING STARTED AT THEY HAD TO HAVE $35,000.
THEY HAD TO MAKE $35,000 FOR ONE PERSON JUST TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT HOUSING.
AND THAT WAS PAYING $800 A MONTH FOR ONE BEDROOM AND IT WAS MORE FOR TWO BEDROOMS. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK OUT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE COULDN'T GO TO THE CHARRETTE, WHICH OUR ATTORNEYS ALWAYS KEEPING US OUT OF TROUBLE. SO BUT THESE SCHEMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE THREE WERE BASICALLY DEVELOPED IN ONE HOUR, WOULDN'T YOU SAY? I MEAN, YOU GAVE AN HOUR PRESENTATION.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THEM.
BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT TO DEVELOP THE FINAL THAT WE HOPE TO SEE SOMETIME IN JUNE.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THE NOTE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE ON THE 12TH OF JUNE.
I'LL BE IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS NATIONAL CONVENTION.
SO IF WE COULD MAKE IT THE 26TH, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
OH, GOOD. YEAH, WELL, I FIGURED I NEEDED A COUPLE MORE DAYS IN SAN FRANCISCO.
IT'S A LONG FLIGHT OUT THERE AND BACK.
UM, ONE THING I WAS LOOKING AT, AND MAYBE IT'S THE SCALE OF WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE US ADDRESSING THE AMENITIES MUCH. THE LAKES, THE WETLANDS.
UM, AND THEN I HOPE THAT IN THE NEXT ROUND THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT PERHAPS FOOTBRIDGE OVER THE, OVER THE LAKE AND DEVELOPING THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE FRONT LAKE WHICH HAS SOME UPLANDS, I THINK THAT
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THAT WOULD BE A NICE AMENITY I REALLY LIKED IN THE SCHEME.THAT THEY HAD THE PUBLIC BUILDING AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OFF OF HOMES.
I THINK THAT MAKES GREAT SENSE.
SO WE COULD TIE IN SOME HISTORY THERE, WHICH I THINK IS VALUABLE.
UM. THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THESE SCHEMES TOO, I THINK THAT THE PARKING SEEMS A LITTLE LIGHT.
AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, EXCEEDING THE 35FT IN A POD.
I. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE GREATEST VARIETY THAT WE CAN GET.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE MIXED USE BECAUSE I THINK THAT, AGAIN, WORKS FOR US.
SO A MIX OF THE BUILDING TYPES, HEIGHTS, MAYBE TYPOLOGY.
IF WE GO OVER THE THREE FLOORS, WE'LL NEED TO HAVE ELEVATORS, WHICH MAKES IT LESS AFFORDABLE, BUT IT MAY BE THOSE ARE THE MARKET RATE UNITS, YOU KNOW, BUT AND THEN ALSO TO BE ABLE TO PERHAPS I THINK YOU CITED IT THE TUCK UNDER PARKING SITUATION.
I THINK THAT MAKES TREMENDOUS SENSE.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND THEY REALLY WANT SOME KIND OF.
WAY OF NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE JUST MEANDERING FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT OVER INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A WALL SYSTEM OR SOME KIND OF SYSTEM THAT.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING QUITE A.
AND I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE SOFT ENGINEERING, THE CONSIDERATION OF ECOLOGY AND SUSTAINABILITY.
I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAKE A STATEMENT.
WALK THE WALK THAT WE TALK ABOUT.
AND I'M VERY EXCITED AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU COME UP ON IN JUNE.
BUT THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO ME, AGAIN, ARE THE FACT THAT WE MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO AND AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT I KNOW YOU'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
THANK YOU. SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND FILLING US IN.
UM, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT INTERCONNECTIVITY, WHICH I'M GLAD THAT YOU ADDED THE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT ANY INTERCONNECTIVITY THERE.
SO BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CALL.
UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE TRIED TO DESIGN A WAY FROM THE SOUTHERN, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THAT COULD DUST UP PRETTY BAD.
SO I BUT GENERALLY WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I AGREE WITH SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS TO WORK OUT MOVING FORWARD. I THINK ON I THINK OUR CONCERNS FROM OUR WE ALL SHARE, WHICH IS HOW DO WE.
YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE? THEY OWN THE PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY SINCE IT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES IS WHAT YOU SAID.
SO THAT'S GOING TO REALLY BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK REALLY HARD ON.
SO BUT PLEASE CONTINUE THE WORK, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING.
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THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.YEAH, THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE MAN THAT SPOKE EARLIER BECAUSE I HAD A COUGHING SESSION, SO I HAD TO GO IN THE BACK, SO I MISSED PART OF YOUR VIDEO, SO I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
ALL RIGHT. UM, MR. CITY MANAGER, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? THE PATH FORWARD? NO. NEXT STEPS.
WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE THE SAME OFFER TO DAVID, WHO'S BEEN THE PROJECT MANAGER.
ALL RIGHT. MR. BERTRAM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND TELL US WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE AND WHAT YOU RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD? WELL, WE WILL TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE FINAL REPORT, WHICH WILL BE ON JUNE 26TH.
NOW, SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK ON THAT.
WE'LL TRY TO GATHER THAT DATA ABOUT THE ATTENDANCE OF THE CHARRETTE.
WE'LL JUST KEEP WORKING ON IT.
WE UNDERSTAND YOUR PRIORITIES AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
OH, YES. ONE MORE. IF WE'RE REALLY CONSIDERING COLLIER, COULD WE TALK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT MURRAY AND THE TRAFFIC? THAT'S AN ALREADY BUSY THING ON SCHOOL DAYS.
CERTAINLY. WE SURE WILL. THANK YOU.
THANKS. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A PART OF THE PLAN.
IT'S JUST I THINK INTERCONNECTIVITY IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO DO.
SO. BUT I DON'T WANT TO ALARM THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH.
THANK YOU. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.