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ALL RIGHT. I AM CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL BEGIN THIS EVENING WITH AN INVOCATION.TODAY WE HAVE BISHOP ERIC PAUL MEYER.
YES, SIR. BISHOP, WILL YOU PLEASE WELCOME.
AND WILL YOU PLEASE STAND WITH A PRAYER? GOOD AND GRACIOUS GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON AND ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THIS MEETING.
WE ARE MINDFUL OF OUR LONG HISTORY WITH YOU, YOU WHO HAVE BEEN PRESENT WITH US FOR MANY GENERATIONS, IN TIMES OF PEACE, YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US IN, TIMES OF CONFLICT, YOU HAVE CALLED US TO PEACE.
WE PLACE IN YOUR CARE NOW THE WORK OF THIS MEETING, THE GOOD OF THIS CITY, MAY ALL WHO ARE INVOLVED HERE ALWAYS REMEMBER THE VALUES THAT YOU PLACE IN US, THE EQUALITY THAT WE SHARE AS YOUR CHILDREN, THE WORK THAT WE MUST DO FOR THOSE WHOSE VOICES ARE NOT HEARD.
THE WORK THAT WE MUST DO TO SEEK TRUE JUSTICE AND THE GOOD OF ALL PEOPLE.
MAY OUR EFFORTS ALWAYS GIVE GLORY TO YOUR NAME AND SERVE OUR PEOPLE WELL.
AND WE MAKE THIS PRAYER THROUGH CHRIST OUR LORD.
THE PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER BLONDER.
ALL RIGHT. SO FIRST ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE MODIFICATION AND APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[2. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS]
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA? CITY MANAGER DON REGAN.I DO HAVE ONE MODIFICATION I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MY NOMINATION OF FOR THE DE AVILES AWARD UNDER COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS.
AND WE'LL CALL IT ITEM 14 A AND I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
SO THE FIRST THING WE HAVE, IT'S A HAPPY OCCASION.
[3.A. Special presentation to City staff for their efforts to ensure the successful kick-off to the 2022 Nights of Lights season following Hurricanes Ian and Nicole. (N. SikesKline, Mayor)]
WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION, A VERY SPECIAL PRESENTATION TONIGHT FOR CITY STAFF WHO WERE REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE LIGHT UP NIGHT OF NIGHTS OF LIGHTS GOING.FOLLOWING HER HURRICANES SLASH TROPICAL STORMS IAN AND NICOLE THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR.
WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE THEM HERE.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE KIND OF RECOGNITION THAT THEY REALLY DESERVE.
WHAT WE WILL DO IS I'M GOING TO READ WHAT THE.
CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION AND APPRECIATION SAYS, AND THEN I WILL ASK.
COMMISSIONERS TO JOIN ME AT THE FRONT.
WE WILL INVITE UP EACH ONE AS EACH RECIPIENT, AS A CITY EMPLOYEE, AS YOU HAVE YOUR NAME CALLED.
AND IF YOU'LL COME TO THE SIDE, MELISSA WILL GIVE YOU YOUR CERTIFICATE AND YOU CAN COME THROUGH, SHAKE HANDS AND WITH EVERYONE, BECAUSE WE ALL WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND GIVE YOU A BIG PAT ON THE BACK.
AND THEN WE'LL STAND FOR A PHOTOGRAPH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO THAT SHOULD BE THE ORDER OF EVENTS.
SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CERTIFICATE WITH OUR GREATEST AND MOST GRATEFUL APPRECIATION.
THE CITY COMMISSION, ST AUGUSTINE CITY COMMISSION WILL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE IN SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF ST AUGUSTINE.
ENDURING THE SUCCESSFUL LAUNCH OF THE 2022 KNIGHTS OF LIGHT SEASON FOLLOWING THE UNPRECEDENTED IMPACTS OF HURRICANE IAN AND HURRICANE NICOLE.
AND THEN IT'S SIGNED FROM EACH COMMISSIONER.
SO, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME AND THEN WE'LL BE CALLING YOUR NAMES OUT ONE BY ONE.
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AARON ABEL'S.WE'RE GOING TO GET IT IF YOU'LL STAND ON THE SIDE AND THEN WE'LL CALL EVERYBODY UP.
THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL JUST STAND TO THE SIDE AND.
I DON'T SEE. MR. BUTLER SO WE'LL MOVE ON.
I'M SURE HE'LL YOU'LL PASS IT ON TO HIM.
DID I BUTCHER THAT? YES, I DID.
DURNAN. IS THAT CORRECT? DURNAN. RICK DURNAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
JOHN GRIFFIN, JOHN GRIFFIN, I DON'T SEE JOHN AND MARK HARTLEY.
I HOPE I SAID THAT RIGHT, TOO.
SURPRISE. SO YOU'RE A LITTLE SURPRISED.
LAST ONE. KENNETH NO, NOT SECOND TO LAST ONE.
AND OUR LAST ONE IS LAQUAN WILSON.
THERE YOU KNOW, WE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT.
THAT'S RIGHT. SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST.
THAT'S RIGHT. COMMISSIONER GARRISON, THANK YOU.
HERE YOU GO. NOW WE'LL STAND FOR A PICTURE.
[3.B. Presentation of the American flag to Donna Frantz and the Frantz family in recognition of former City Commissioner Harry Frantz. (N. Sikes-Kline, Mayor)]
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I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW BRIEF REMARKS RECOGNIZING FORMER HENRI FRANCE, FORMER CITY COMMISSIONER HARRY FRANCE, WHO PASSED AWAY IN DECEMBER.HARRY WAS APPOINTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN DECEMBER 1981 AND SERVED UNTIL MAY OF 1983.
MEMBERS OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY MIGHT ALSO REMEMBER HARRY FROM THE EARLY 2000S WHEN HE PERFORMED AS SANTA CLAUS, MEETING CHILDREN AT THE PONCE DE LEON MALL, LOCAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE CITY.
MISS MARIA, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? COMMISSIONERS MADE.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS WITH HIM.
HANG ON. SO THE PLAQUE READS HARRY FRANCE IN HONOR OF HIS SERVICE TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THIS FLAG WAS FLOWN AT CITY HALL FRIDAY, DECEMBER 23RD, 2022, WHICH WAS HIS BIRTHDAY.
SO DO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? OR IF SOMEONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? NO, I'M JUST HERE AND I'M SO PLEASED THAT THIS IS BEING RECEIVED.
ALL RIGHT. DO YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? I SURE WOULD. I'M LIKE MY DADDY, SO I'M GOOD.
I'M NOT GOING TO. I'M NOT GOING TO MISS A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING.
IT'S JUST BEFITTING THAT THOSE FELLOWS AND LADIES GOT AN AWARD FOR PUTTING UP LIGHTS FOR CHRISTMAS.
MY DADDY WAS ON THE FIRST COMMITTEE THAT PUT UP LIGHTS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.
ANYONE ELSE. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING]
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING. AND OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE CHRIS SMITH.CHRIS FULMER, FOLLOWED BY WOLFGANG SHALL.
GOOD EVENING. CHRIS FULLMER I LIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.
I WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS, MAYOR OF SIKES-KLINE.
THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING SINCE YOU'RE THERE AND WELCOME TO COMMISSIONERS GARRISON SPRINGFIELD.
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I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO ADD MY THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR GETTING KNIGHTS OF LIGHTS READY.THEY PULLED THAT OFF AND IT WAS IT WAS EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
KNIGHTS OF LIGHTS WAS, AS ALWAYS, A FUN EVENT THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE GO.
AT THE END OF JANUARY. SO WE CAN APPRECIATE IT AGAIN NEXT NOVEMBER.
THE ONE I SAW MOST OFTEN WAS AT SAINT GEORGE AND CATHEDRAL.
THEIR RUBBERMAID BUCKETS EDGE UP ON THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, SOMETIMES ACTUALLY BLOCK THE SIDEWALK.
AGAIN, I ASK THAT WE CAN PLEASE SOMEHOW MANAGE TO NOT HAVE THEM NEXT YEAR.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE FINISHING UP THE CHRISTMAS SEASON.
NEXT SPEAKER IS WOLFGANG SHAO, FOLLOWED BY STEVE PETERSON.
THE KING HIGH TIDE WILL FOLLOW SOON.
I HEARD THE JOY THAT THE CITY STARTS COLLABORATING WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO CONDUCT A $3 MILLION STUDY IN ORDER TO MITIGATE FLOODING.
WE'VE BEEN FLOODED THIS YEAR TWICE.
WELL, IT STARTED WITH MATTHEW WITH A NINE FEET FLOOD, ACCORDING TO THE OLD DATUM.
NICOLE WAS ABOUT EIGHT FEET AND TWO INCHES.
AND IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
OTHER THAN THE INLET DRIVE WHERE I LIVE TURNS INTO A RIVER.
AND MAYOR, YOU KNOW THE BEST BECAUSE YOU LEFT IN THE PROXIMITY THERE.
WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? THE HURRICANES HAVE TAKEN OVER THE SHORELINE, EATING AWAY THE LAND.
AND I'M AFRAID WHEN WE HAVE A THREE YEAR STUDY GOING ON AND ANOTHER TWO YEARS BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS, FIVE YEARS, THE INLET MAY BE EATEN HALF AWAY. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN CALIFORNIA HAPPENING WITH THE FLOODS THERE, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW.
I KNOW THIS CITY HAS GOT A FEDERAL FUND TO BUILD A SEAWALL ALONG THE INLET DRIVE.
I HEARD RUMORS THIS IS NOT GOING TO START BEFORE 2025 OR 6, WHY WAIT THAT LONG? AND ACTUALLY, I'M OWNING A PROPERTY RIGHT ON THE WATERFRONT AND I'M BUILDING A BULKHEAD.
AND THEN THE EPA GIRLS JUST FRESH FROM COLLEGE, ASKED ME, I SHOULD PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT WHEN I BUILD A BULKHEAD, WHETHER MY NEIGHBORS WILL NOT BE FLOODED MORE THAN BEFORE.
WELL, I STILL WILL BE FLOODED FROM THE BACK.
THE PURPOSE OF A BULKHEAD IS TO PROTECT AGAINST EROSION.
THE EROSION WHICH TAKES AWAY MY PROPERTY, WHICH TAKES AWAY CITY PROPERTY ALONG THE INLET DRIVE.
AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT AGAINST THE EROSION.
THE HOLY MANGROVES, THEY DO PART OF THE JOB, BUT NOT THE FULL JOB.
SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE OUR ROAD THERE SOON.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND WE SHOULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SEAWALLS OR BULKHEADS SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF TEN FEET LIKE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REQUIRES A NEW DWELLING.
WHEN YOU BUILD IT, IT HAS TO HAVE AN ELEVATION OF AT LEAST TEN FEET ABOVE THE OLD DATUM.
THE NEW DATUM FROM 1988 IS NINE FEET, AND THERE'S ONE FOOT DIFFERENCE.
SO WHY NOT PUTTING PUTTING OUT AN ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE EVERYBODY WHO BUILDS A SEAWALL OR A BULKHEAD THAT IT HAS TO BE TEN FEET HIGH? THANK YOU. MR.. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS STEVE PETERSON, FOLLOWED BY MARTHA MICKLER. YES, I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT CUTTING DOWN NATIVE OAK TREES HERE IN THE CITY.
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AND I'M TOLD THAT BY CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT AS LONG AS THESE TREE CUTTING COMPANIES HAVE AN ARBORIST ON BOARD, THAT THEY DON'T NEED PERMISSION FROM THE CITY, THEY CAN JUST DO IT.AND RECENTLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I FOUND ONE OF THESE TREE CUTTING COMPANIES, CUTTING DOWN OAK TREES, INCLUDING COASTAL SCRUB OAK, WHICH I THINK IS ENDANGERED HERE.
SO I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS WITH ME SHOWING THAT THE VERY SMALLEST TREE THEY CUT WAS OVER SEVEN INCHES IN DIAMETER, AND SOME OF THEM WERE CLOSER TO 20.
THIS WAS ON YOUR LAND? ON MY LAND WAS ON PUBLIC ACCESS OWNED BY ST AUGUSTINE.
AND IT ABUTS THE FORT MOSI PARK ON THE NORTH END.
THE POLICE CAME AND THEY CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND CODE ENFORCEMENT CAME OVER AND THEY MADE A REPORT.
AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT GUY, CURTIS BALLS, HE'S THE ONE THAT EXPLAINED TO ME THAT IF THE TREE CUTTING COMPANY HAS AN ARBORIST WHO OBVIOUSLY GETS HIS PAYCHECK FROM THE TREE CUTTING COMPANY, AND THEY SAY, WELL, THE ARBORIST SAID IT WAS OKAY, THEN THAT'S ALL THEY NEED.
AND ACTUALLY, THIS LADY, INSTEAD OF CUTTING TREES IN HER YARD, SHE CUT TREES IN THE ACCESS.
AND THOSE TREES WERE ABUTTING THE PARK.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S SO NICE IS BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THE OAK TREES THAT.
HAVE PROBABLY BEEN THERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
BUT SO I'M I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW HOW YOU PEOPLE THE CITY ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN.
PETERSON THIS IS A PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN.
SEE, IF YOU'RE IF YOU WISH TO CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS, I WILL ASK MR. CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION TO YOU.
THANK YOU. BECAUSE YOUR TIME HASN'T RUN OUT YET.
BUT THANK YOU. MR. MR. REGAN, WILL YOU PLEASE? IF I WOULD, THEN ASKING STAFF IN THE BACK TO GET THE SPEAKER'S NAME AND PHONE NUMBER AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP AND WALK THE SPEAKER THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. JUST TO MAYBE FOR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE CURIOUS, IT'S NOT A CITY ORDINANCE.
IT IS PREEMPTION BY THE STATE.
AND THEY HAVE CREATED A STATE STATUTE THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE CORRECT DOCUMENTATION FROM AN ARBORIST THAT THE TREE IS A HAZARD TO TAKE DOWN THE TREE WITHOUT ANY PERMIT FROM THE CITY.
SO IT IS NOT ANYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS DONE.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY HAS IS REQUIRED TO ALLOW BECAUSE OF STATE LAW.
THANK YOU. AND OUR STAFF WILL SPEND TIME WITH THE SPEAKER EXPLAINING IN FURTHER DETAIL.
YOU, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK WITH YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL ME OR EMAIL ME OR SEE ME AFTER THE MEETING OR STAFF WILL CONTACT YOU AND SPEAK TO YOU. THIS IS A SIR YOUR OUT OF ORDER, SIR.
THANK YOU, MS. MICKLER. MARTHA MICKLER, FOLLOWED BY LAUREN GUYBOR.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND A SPECIAL WELCOME TO OUR TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS AND TO OUR NEW MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER BLONDER.
MARTHA MICKLER, I LIVE AT 30 SPANISH STREET.
I'M HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NIGHTLIFE COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO.
ALMOST A YEAR AGO, I CAME TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND DURING PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE MEETING.
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HOURS RESEARCHING SOLUTIONS.THE RESULT WAS THE APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT WITH THE RESPONSIBLE HOSPITALITY INSTITUTE TO ASSESS SAINT AUGUSTINE AND ITS FUTURE AS A SOCIABLE AND LIVABLE CITY.
IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF 2022, ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSIONS WERE HELD WITH OVER 60 PERSONS INTERESTED IN THE FUTURE OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE PART OF TWO OF THOSE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSIONS.
ON MARCH EIGHT, 2022, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE CONSULTANTS AS A FOLLOW UP INFORMING ME, AND I'M SURE SHE INFORMED MANY OTHERS THAT THE FINAL REPORT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN LATE APRIL 20, 22.
WE HAD MANY INTERESTED RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY LEADERS PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROJECT, AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A PROGRESS REPORT. THE STAFF FROM THE RESPONSIBLE HOSPITALITY INSTITUTE.
TRAINED A LOCAL TRANSFORMATIONAL TEAM OF 12 INDIVIDUALS FROM ST AUGUSTINE.
THESE LOCAL LEADERS SERVED AS PROJECT LEADERS IN SIX DIFFERENT AREAS.
THESE SIX AREAS INCLUDED MOBILITY, PUBLIC SAFETY, SOCIAL VENUE, QUALITY OF LIFE, VENUE SAFETY AND PUBLIC SPACE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT NEXT STEPS IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.
MILLER. NEXT SPEAKER IS LAUREN GUYBOR, FOLLOWED BY MS..
IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE AGAIN, AS ALWAYS.
MY NAME IS LAUREN GEBER 257 RIBERIA STREET.
AND I'M NOT A FAN OF NIGHT OF LIGHTS.
IN FACT, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, WE HAD NIGHT OF LIGHTS, AND I RECALL IT BEING A LOT SHORTER.
THEN WE GOT HIT WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING SHUT DOWN.
SO NIGHT OF LIGHTS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WAS EXTENDED TO HELP THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY REGAIN MONIES LOST FROM BEING CLOSED BECAUSE OF COVID.
NOW THE CITY IS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS WITH TOURISTS.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE STILL NEED TO HAVE AN EXTENDED NIGHT OF LIGHTS.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE REGULAR PROGRAMS THAT WERE SCHEDULED AND FREE UP JANUARY SO THAT THE REST OF US CAN HAVE BACK OUR CITY.
BECAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CITY ONLY GETS 1% OF BED TAX, WHICH IS VERY LOW CONSIDERING THE COUNTY GETS ALL OF IT.
YET, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, ALL ROADS LEAD TO THE CITY.
SO WHETHER THEY'RE COMING HERE AS TOURISTS, WHETHER THEY LIVE OUTSIDE OF TOWN, FIVE MILES, TEN MILES, 20 MILES IN THE COUNTY, OR THEY LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE OR DAYTONA, THEY ARE STILL TOURISTS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GAINING BY HAVING NIGHT OF LIGHTS CONTINUE THROUGH JANUARY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE FINANCIALS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. GEBER. ALL RIGHT.
BJ KALADI, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE DENSITY WITH ADDITIONAL 55 BUILDINGS WITH 40 FOOT HEIGHTS AND 110 OR 220 VEHICLES, WHICH WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ARAPAHOE.
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THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER VISTA CONTINUES TO BE DESTROYED, ALSO KNOWN AS CUT OFF FROM BENEFIT TO ALL TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BY DEVELOPERS FROM DELAWARE AND CALIFORNIA.THIS AND OTHER DEVELOPERS CONTINUE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE LIMITS TO AVOID FOLLOWING COUNTY REQUIREMENTS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT PAYING IMPACT ROAD FEES.
EVEN THOUGH WE STARTED WITH MOBILITY FEES, IT'LL NEVER COVER IT UP OR PAY FOR ITSELF.
MY QUESTION, WHICH WILL NOT BE ANSWERED, BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT IT, AND I WANT THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE STREAMING THIS LATER ON TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY. MY QUESTION IS, HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE'S CONTINUUM OF CARE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN? AND IN CLOSING, I WANT TO SAY AND I SAID, IS THAT ANOTHER MEETING? THE MICHAELA'S HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER.
THEY COME IN HERE OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO PROTECT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN.
AND AGAIN, I'LL SAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE COULD LIVE DOWNTOWN.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KALAIDI. SO THAT IS, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE IS HERE TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKER CARDS.
SO I BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR FOLLOW UP? ALL RIGHT. I DO MS..
FULMER, WOULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK WITH MS. BREIDENSTEIN? I BELIEVE SHE CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE VENDORS AND THE STATUS OF THE VENDORS, BECAUSE THAT IS A CONCERN, AND I HAVE READ CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT THAT AS WELL FROM OTHERS.
MR. SHAO, WILL YOU PLEASE SPEAK WITH MR. FRANKLIN WHEN YOU HAVE A MOMENT? I BELIEVE THAT HE CAN UPDATE YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO GET A REPORT TONIGHT ON WHAT THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT IS THERE ON INLET DRIVE.
SO THANK YOU. I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT TREE CUTTING, HOWEVER, THAT IS BEYOND OUR CONTROL.
AND FORTUNATELY, THE STATE PASSED A PREEMPTIVE LAW FOR LOCAL CITIES.
IN 2019 TO NOT BE ABLE TO RESTRICT CUTTING OF TREES THAT ARE UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
THAT LAW WAS MODIFIED LAST YEAR.
THERE WERE SOME PROVISIONS THAT MADE IT SLIGHTLY BETTER, BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY TERRIBLE.
YOU HAVE HAD YOU, COMMISSIONER, US.
AS FAR AS THE NIGHT LIFE STUDY, MR. REGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADVISE US OF THE TIMELINE ON THAT? WE'VE JUST COME OUT THIS OUR SECOND MEETING OF THE YEAR WITH THE NEW COMMISSION, SO WE NEED TO WORK IT INTO OUR AGENDA.
I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE A REPORT AND REENGAGE THE ENTIRE PROGRAM BY THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAD ONE OTHER ITEM THAT THIS GUY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, NIGHTS OF LIGHTS.
AND MISS SKIVER, COULD YOU REACH OUT TO MS. BREIDENSTEIN AND OR MR. REGAN? HE CAN TELL YOU WHO WOULD BE THE BEST PERSON TO GET THAT REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SO. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
[5. CONSENT AGENDA]
ON THE AGENDA WILL BE OUR CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM CA 8, ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR REMOVING SO CA8? THAT'S THE ANNEXATION THAT MS..
ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
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WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? SO MOVED. OKAY.ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MR. REGAN, WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE CONSENT AGENDA? WE WILL APPROVE IT, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR THAT ITEM.
MAYOR COMMISSIONERS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA.
THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCES ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING ON FEBRUARY 13, 2023.
ORDINANCE 20 2306 ORDERED IS 20 2307.
WE HAVE A REMINDER OF UPCOMING MEETINGS.
REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 27, 20 23:05 P.M.
REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 13, 2023 5:00 PM.
REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
WE'VE APPROVAL MINUTES FROM PRIOR COMMISSION MEETINGS DECEMBER 12TH, 2022 FOR FIRST SHADE MEETING DECEMBER 12, 2022 SECOND SHADE MEETING DECEMBER 12TH, 2022 REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISPRONUNCIATION.
WE HAVE A FINANCIAL UPDATE FOR THE PERIOD ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2022 FIRST QUARTER 2022 DASH 2023 LEGAL UPDATE INVOICE FOR BAKER HOSLER AND THE PONCE ASSOCIATES MADEIRA SUBDIVISION MATTER FOR $5,185.25, AND AN INVOICE FROM CAVENDISH PARTNERS IN THE SMITH VERSUS CITY MATTER FOR $2,128.75.
ALL RIGHT. I DO BELIEVE YOU ACCIDENTALLY HAD A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENT AND THAT BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT THAT ITEM.
SECOND. ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[5.CA.8. Petition for Voluntary Annexation and Pre-Anexation Agreement for a parcel of land south of the existing Shipyards project and east of Arapaho Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
C EIGHT.THE VOLUNTEER ANNEXATION OR PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.
MADAM MAYOR, IF YOU'LL GIVE ME ONE MINUTE TO PULL THE POWERPOINT UP.
I. ARE YOU MR. MAYOR? YES. DID I MAKE A SUGGESTION? YES. THEN WE HAVE OUR PLANNING AND BUILDING DIRECTOR AMY SKINNER GAVE AN OVERVIEW AND AN INTRODUCTION OF WHAT THIS ITEM IS AND WHERE IT SETS PROCEDURALLY.
SO, MS.. SKINNER, WILL YOU SPEAK TO ITEM EIGHT? PETITION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AND PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR A PARCEL OF LAND SOUTH OF THE EXISTING SHIPYARDS PROJECT AND EAST OF ARAPAHO? YES, MAYOR.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS A PETITION TO ANNEX WITH A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES FOR A PROPERTY SOUTH, AS YOU SAID, OF THE EXISTING SHIPYARDS PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY AND IT IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY ON THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST SIDES.
THE COUNTY HAS BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS REQUEST TO ANNEX.
IF THE CITY COMMISSION ACCEPTS THIS PETITION, THE APPLICATION WILL PROCEED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE CITY LAND USE AND ZONING.
THE ITEM WOULD THEN COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE.
LAND USE AND ZONING ORDINANCES AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
ANY ACTIONS WOULD BE CONTINUED CONTINGENT ON THE ADOPTION OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE.
CURRENTLY THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY LAND USES AS DEFINED BY THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PROPOSED ZONING, IF ANNEXED, IS RJIO, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CITY'S MIXED USE, LAND USE AND THE EXISTING SHIPYARDS PROJECT. THIS WOULD APPLY TO AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE REMAINING AREAS OF UP TO 13 ACRES WHEN IS PROPOSED TO BE A PWD.
A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT BY THE BY THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
SO IF THE COMMISSION VOTES TO PROCEED WITH THE ANNEXATION, THEN IT GOES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AS AN APPLICATION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW AND A ZONING RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
THEN ALL THREE ORDINANCES WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
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SO THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD HAVE A CHOICE TO THEN PROCEED WITH AN ANNEXATION ORDINANCE AND THEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCES. IT WOULD ALL COME BACK AT THE SAME MEETING.BUT THEY NOTHING WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE IS EFFECTIVE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT NOW, THEN.
THANK YOU. I WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OF OUR.
I APOLOGIZE. QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
YES, MA'AM. SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WHERE IF WE APPROVE THIS AT THIS TIME, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE ANNEXATION REQUEST.
WE'RE SENDING IT TO PCB TO CONSIDER FOR THE PLANT AMENDMENTS AND FUTURE LAND USE.
I'M SORRY. I'M FLIPPING BETWEEN PAGES, SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME JUST A SECOND.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR IN THE COUNTY AS MIXED USE DISTRICT AND OPEN RURAL.
THAT'S. HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THOSE TWO IN REGARD IN COMPARISON TO THE PROPOSED ZONING THAT WOULD OCCUR IF APPROVED, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE CITY'S ZONING CODES? IN TERMS OF INTENSITY, I THINK THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE SIMILAR.
THE. CITIES, I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIALLY ORIENTED, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THE OPEN RURAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE COUNTY IS KIND OF LIKE A HOLDING KIND OF A HOLDING PATTERN BECAUSE THE COUNTY TYPICALLY REQUIRES DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS THIS TO GO THROUGH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THE CITY DOESN'T TYPICALLY DO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.
WE USUALLY HAVE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE DIRECTLY WITH OUR LAND USE CATEGORIES.
THE WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE CANNOT REQUIRE AN APPLICANT TO ENCUMBER THEMSELVES WITH THE PAD.
THAT'S CORRECT. WE DON'T REQUIRE IT.
THAT'S THEIR REQUEST AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THEY ARE JUST ASKING FOR SIMPLE ADJUSTMENTS TO BE MORE CREATIVE WITH THE LOT SIZE IN THE SETBACKS.
SO THEY WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE CREATIVE WITH THE.
WITH THE THEY'RE PROPOSING 55 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
AND THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE A SMALLER LOT WITH OUR MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 50 FEET.
THEY'RE PROPOSING 40 FEET AND THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE PAD THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IF THIS IS ANNEXED, IS IT WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITIES THAT OUR PZB IN THE CITY COULD EFFECTIVELY DOWN ZONE THE PROPERTY FROM WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS IN TERMS OF INTENSITY ZONED AS FOR THE COUNTY? I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
I MEAN, WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THE THE PORTION OF THE PARCEL.
YES, WE ALWAYS RESPOND TO AN APPLICANT'S APPLICATION.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS.
IS WHAT DRIVES THE PROCESS, AS WE LEARNED RECENTLY.
SO YES, THE APPLICANT COULD CHOOSE CONDITIONS IN A POD THAT WOULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THEIR OPEN RURAL ZONING IN THE COUNTY.
YES, THEORETICALLY THAT THAT COULD BE OKAY.
AND A POTENTIAL BENEFIT FOR THIS ANNEXATION TO THE CITY WOULD BE THE CONNECTION AND UTILITY FEES.
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THERE'S MULTIPLE BENEFITS, NOT SO MUCH IN UTILITY CONNECTION FEES, BUT IN THE GENERATION OF LONG TERM AD VALOREM TAXATION.THE UTILITY CONNECTION FEES ARE A WASH, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE CITY OR OUTSIDE THE CITY.
THEY'RE IN OUR UTILITY SERVICE AREA.
BUT WHAT WE GET IS AD VALOREM TAXATION.
THIS IS PART OF A MASTER PLAN OF SHIPYARDS.
IT'S DESIGNED TO BE MORE UPPER END HOMES THAT MAXIMIZE VIEW SHEDS AND REALLY PROTECT THE TREES AND THE ENVIRONMENT. IT'S A PRETTY IT'S A PRETTY SOPHISTICATED DESIGN.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, IT'S PROBABLY WORTH AT LONG TERM 600,000, 700,000 IN VOLUME TAXATION, IT'S PROBABLY WORTH ABOUT 200,000 ANNUALLY IN FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES BECAUSE WE SERVE THE AREA.
SO IF WE DON'T ANNEX IT IN, THEN WE'RE AT THE AT THE AT THE THE WILL OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION AS COMPARED TO IF WE ANNEX IT AND WE'RE AT THE WILL OF THE CITY COMMISSION.
THAT'S HELPFUL. LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT NOW.
AND I'M SORRY. ALSO THE MOBILITY FEES.
RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO STAB UNTIL WE CIRCLE BACK? WHICH IS FINE. OKAY.
IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE APPLICANT.
ALL RIGHT. NO, I DID HAVE ONE MORE FOR STAFF.
OH, YOU DID? YEAH. I'M SORRY. I REMEMBERED WHAT IT WAS.
RIGHT. OKAY. I TURNED IT OVER.
IS, IS THERE A TIME DURING THIS PROCESS OF CONSIDERATION OF ANNEXATION WHEN CITY STAFF DOES AN ANALYSIS OF CAPACITY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE DEMANDED OF WATER, SEWER AND FIRE AND OTHER UTILITIES? WHAT I THINK ABOUT IS A SUBDIVISION IN ARIZONA THAT JUST HAD THE WATER CUT OFF ENTIRELY.
THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T IRRIGATE.
THEY HAVE TO TRUCK IN WATER FOR THEIR DRINKING WATER AND SO FORTH, BECAUSE THE THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAD WITH THE CITY NOW THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT, BUT THIS IS NOT INCONCEIVABLE IF WE HAVE SALTWATER INTRUSION, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE EXCEED OUR CAPACITY TO SERVE THEM.
SO I CAUTION THAT WE DO AS AS WE CONSIDER ANNEXATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
AND NOW THAT WE DO A VERY CAREFUL LOOK AT OUR CAPACITY TO MEET THOSE NEEDS AND OUR EXISTING NEEDS THROUGH THE MAYOR, WE ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO CONSTANTLY BE ON TOP OF OUR CAPACITY FORECASTS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MEET THIS SUBDIVISION.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IS ELLEN MARIE SMITH.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I AM A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH WINDWARD MARINA GROUP.
WE ARE THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE SHIPYARDS.
WE PURCHASED THE SAINT AUGUSTINE SHIPYARDS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WHICH INCLUDED SOME ADJACENT PROPERTY, ALL OF WHICH CURRENTLY FALL WITHIN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE LIMITS. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A MASTER PLAN WHERE TWO OF THE MAJOR FOCAL POINTS OF THE PROJECT HAVE JUST BEEN SUSTAINABILITY AND MOBILITY.
WE THINK OUR DEVELOPMENT IS VERY UNIQUE IN TERMS OF A MARINA VILLAGE SHORTLY AFTER THE ACQUISITION OF THE WINDWARD SHIPYARDS PROPERTY, WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO ACQUIRE 15 ADDITIONAL ACRES DIRECTLY SOUTH ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY LIE WITHIN ST JOHN'S COUNTY AND DOING SOME MASTER PLAN WORK AND SOME PRELIMINARY LAYOUTS.
IT BECAME A VERY APPARENTLY OF THE INTERTWINED DESIGN COMPONENTS OF THESE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY.
WHICH BRINGS US IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TODAY WITH OUR PRE ANNEXATION APPLICATION.
I'M OBVIOUSLY GOING TO STICK AROUND FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BUT I'LL LET MS..
MISS ELLEN AVERY SMITH KIND OF GIVE OUR QUICK PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
AND I WANT TO POINT YOU TO A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS.
THIS SHOULD EXPLAIN THE INTERCONNECTIVITY OF THE THE EXISTING SHIPYARDS PROPERTY.
THANK YOU. THIS SHOWS YOU IN BLUE THE EXISTING SHIPYARD PROJECT.
YOU KNOW WHERE THE DRY STACK STORAGE AND ALL OF THAT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE.
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AND YOU'LL ALSO RECALL WITH RESPECT TO THAT BLUE AREA, THERE IS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.AND ALSO THERE'S AN AGREEMENT FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION OF US ONE AND ARAPAHOE.
SO THIS THIS ANNEXATION APPLICATION WOULD ADD THE RED AREA INTO THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE LIMITS FROM ST JOHN'S COUNTY. AND MISS SKINNER WAS CORRECT.
THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE ST JOHN'S COUNTY PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH CAN ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 13 RESIDENTIAL UNITS PER NET ACRE AND A WHOLE VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND WHATEVER USES TO.
AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA OF 75%.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE.
AND SO A LITTLE PORTION OF THE RED IS PROPOSED TO BE ZONED RADIO.
YOU COULD SEE THAT IN THE TOP LEFT OR IN THE MIDDLE LEFT, IF YOU WILL, AROUND THIS AREA.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE REST OF IT IS PROPOSED TO BE RE ZONED TO PAD THE TEXT ITSELF AS IT IS GOING TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PCB IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IS EMBEDDED IN THE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DETAILS THAT ARE BEING ASKED.
AND MS. SKINNER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE REASON FOR A PWD IS BECAUSE THERE'S A DEVELOPER WHO YOU'RE GOING TO MEET WHO WILL BUILD THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND HE'S GOT A VERY CREATIVE CONCEPT ABOUT PROVIDING MORE SUSTAINABLE HOUSING, IF YOU WILL.
AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.
PWD AND THERE WILL BE INTERCONNECTIVITY, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE FOR A MIXED USE PROJECT.
THE PAD ALSO INCLUDES A COMMUNITY DOCK WHICH IS EMBEDDED IN THE.
TEXT YOU HAVE IN THE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.
SO WE WANTED YOU TO SEE ALL OF THE DETAIL TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.
AND THEN HERE'S THE PROPOSED LOT LAYOUT.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE'S THE PLOT PLAN.
IT'S STILL UNDER MARQUIS LADDER.
MYRTLE HALBACH IS STILL KIND OF DOING SOME SOME FINISHING POLISH WORK.
BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE IDEA OF THE INTERIOR A LOT SIZES, THE WATERFRONT, LOT SIZES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS THIS WILL IS JUST THE FIRST STEP.
AND JUST BY WAY OF CLARIFICATION, SO WHEN THEY COME TO FIND THOSE APPLICATIONS, COME TO FINAL HEARING OF THE CITY COMMISSION, YOU WILL BE APPROVING THE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT OR THE ANNEXATION ITSELF.
THEN THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THEN THE PUD.
IF ANY FAIL, THEN THIS PROPERTY STAYS IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THIS SYSTEM IS DESIGNED BY LAW.
IF I COULD. MADAM MAYOR, WILL YOU PLEASE? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WHEN WE DO SEE THIS AGAIN, THAT THE AERIAL IMAGE HAVE A MUCH MORE CLEARLY VISIBLE PARCEL.
PARCEL ID IN BLACK ON A DARK BACKGROUND ON IN MY PACKET ON PAGE 351.
THAT'S THE ONLY AERIAL IMAGE AND I REALLY CAN'T GET A SENSE OF WHERE ANYTHING IS FROM THAT.
SO I HAVE QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
BY APPROVING THIS WITH, AS THE APPLICANT STATED, AVERY SMITH STATED THAT THE PAD IS EMBEDDED IN IT. ARE WE BOUND TO THAT IN ANY WAY OR ANY SHAPE OR ANY FORM? NO. THE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT IS A SORT OF A CONCEPTUAL.
WHAT DO I, AS AN APPLICANT, INTEND TO FILE AS FORMAL APPLICATIONS FOR ZONING AND LAND USE IN YOUR JURISDICTION? IF I WERE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY.
SO THE POD IS SIMPLY AND I BELIEVE THE INTENT AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MS..
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AVERY SMITH, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT SHE INTENDED TO SAY WAS THE APPLICANT'S INTENT IS TO BIND THIS NEW ANNEXED AREA INTO THIS POD CONCEPT. AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL WAYS OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, ALL OF WHICH ARE NOT BEING APPROVED TODAY.THEY WILL BE HEARD AT SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MAYBE MS..
AVERY SMITH CAN CONCUR THAT THAT'S WHAT SHE INTENDED TO SAY.
YES, MADAM MAYOR, THAT WE JUST WANTED TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THAT THE TEXT THAT IS IN EXHIBIT TO THE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT IS WILL BE 95% THE SAME AS THE APPLICANT REZONING APPLICATION THAT WE INTEND TO FILE. WE WANTED YOU TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPERTY IS SO YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ANNEXATION, KNOWING IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AND KNOWING KIND OF THE PARAMETERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, I CAN JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF ON THAT, THAT THE PAD THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS I'M STILL GOING TO WE WILL, IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, IF IT GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING, I'M NOT CONSIDERING THE COMPONENTS OF THAT OR THE DEVIATIONS FROM THE CODE I AM. THAT IS JUST SIMPLY AN EXHIBIT.
JUST SO THAT'S CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN THIS.
YOU'VE GOT DIAGRAMS. YOU'VE GOT AN EXPENSIVE ATTORNEY UP HERE SPEAKING.
ARE THE EFFORTS TO DEVELOP THIS CONTINGENT ON ANNEXATION? WELL, I WILL SAY THAT THE WE THE SHIPYARDS ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR KARL AND HIS GROUP.
THEY WOULD PREFER TO DEVELOP THEIR ENTIRE MASTER PLANNED PROJECT WITHIN THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE.
BUT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES DECIDE THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THIS PROPERTY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, IT WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THE COUNTY UNDER THE MIXED USE DISTRICT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND CAN BE REZONED TO PWD TO BASICALLY ALLOW THE SAME DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THEY WOULD JUST PREFER TO BE IN THE CITY.
ONE, WHETHER IT'S IN THE COUNTY OR WHETHER IT'S IN THE CITY.
THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT STANDS TODAY WITH THE CITY AND CORAL BAY WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE, MR. REGAN, BUT THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, SIGNALIZATION AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT ARAPAHO AND US, ONE WHICH WILL BE THE MAJOR INTERSECTION FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT WHERE THEIR HALF OF IT'S DEVELOPED AND THERE ARE 15 ACRES OF IT IS DEVELOPED IN THE COUNTY OR NOT RIGHT NOW.
YES. SO AGAIN, THE TWO PARCELS IDEALLY WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY.
CURRENTLY, WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY, THERE IS SOME MONEY THAT THE CITY HAS DEDICATED TO US THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING FORWARD FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, ALONG WITH DOT AND OTHER CITY STAFFS, TO REALLY KIND OF TAKE CARE OF THAT IROQUOIS ARAPAHOE AVENUE.
IT'S A FIVE STAR INTERSECTION, WHICH FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT IS JUST NOT SAFE.
AND I THINK IF ANY OF US DRIVEN IN THAT AREA, WE ALL KNOW IT'S IT'S KIND OF A HAZARDOUS AREA.
SO WE TRY TO BRING THAT TO A FOUR POINT INTERSECTION.
WE'VE HAD ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN IN PERMITTING WITH THE DOT FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS NOW.
WE JUST GOT APPROVAL ON OUR ICE ANALYSIS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY.
SO THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE KEY ASPECTS.
AGAIN, MOBILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY ARE TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS OF THIS PROJECT, AND WE ALSO SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL OUTSIDE OF AD VALOREM TAXES.
WE HAVE A WALKABLE WATERFRONT PROMENADE THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ALONG THE SAN SEBASTIAN.
WE ALSO HAVE BEEN TALKING TO YOUR MOBILITY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF REWORKING YOUR AREA TO THE NORTH, TRYING TO DO SOME TRAILS IN THAT AREA, MAYBE SOME BIKE TRAILS, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, BIKE TRAFFIC, OR ALL THE MULTIMODAL APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING TO THIS.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A TOWN CENTER THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TRAFFIC STUDIES ON THE BACK END.
WE HAVE PLANNED FOR FULL BUILDOUT WITH THE ORIGINAL GEO ZONING.
I THINK WE ARE ALLOWED SOMETHING LIKE 600 UNITS.
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MUCH LESS INTENSE USE AND REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALL BE PROUD OF.
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COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. ALL RIGHT.SO ARE WE READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? YEAH, I MOVE WE ACCEPT A PETITION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.
ALL RIGHT. OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT. VERY WELL.
I THINK I WAS TOLD THAT THE TYPICAL PROTOCOL FOR A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PROPOSAL IS THAT IT GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. BUT I FOUND THAT THIS CONVERSATION WAS VERY HELPFUL TO ME AND TO OUR CITIZENS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THE STAFF COULD LOOK AT CHANGING FOR THE TYPICAL PROTOCOL ON THESE? WE'LL JUST SCHEDULE THEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IN THE FUTURE.
SO I WOULD I WOULD PREFER A POLICY OF VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS BE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE AN ITEM OF GREAT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE.
[7.B.1. Progress report on building a program to reduce the unsheltered homeless population and presentation by Judith Dembowski, Executive Director of St. Francis House/Port in the Storm, on homelessness and the programs offered by St. Augustine Society. (J. Regan, City Manager)]
AND, MR. REGAN, WILL YOU BEGIN THAT DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. YES.SO AT A PRIOR MEETING, THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED A STRATEGY THAT HINGES ON LARGELY ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOW BARRIER TO ENTRY FACILITY WITH SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY AND TRANSITIONAL AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER CITIES THAT WE'VE SEEN.
THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ARE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT SITES SO WE CAN GIVE ALTERNATIVE SITE SELECTIONS, CHOICES TO THE COMMISSION BETWEEN NEW GROUND UP CONSTRUCTION, AS WELL AS RETROFIT OF EXISTING CONSTRUCTION.
CONCURRENT TO THAT ACTIVITY IS WE'RE STARTING TO WORK ON BUILDING WHAT WOULD BE THE BUSINESS MODEL, WHAT WOULD BE THE ACTIVITIES, WHAT WOULD BE THE STAFFING PLAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE COSTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ALONG THAT JOURNEY.
AND ALSO CONGRUENT TO ONE OF THE PLANKS OF THE STRATEGY IS OUR COORDINATION AND COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS IN THE HOMELESS. IN THE FIGHT TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS AND I.
AND I FOUND OUR CONVERSATION TO BE THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF CONVERSATION THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HEAR TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE FUNCTION, THE ROLE OF ST FRANCIS HOUSE.
MR. LEBOWSKI HAS TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE IN A LOT OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
GAVE ME A LOT OF GOOD PRACTICAL ADVICE ABOUT PITFALLS TO AVOID AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO I ASKED HER TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON ST FRANCIS HOUSE BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR MAJOR PARTNER IN WHAT WE DO TO REDUCE UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. BOESKY TO COME FORWARD.
IN YOUR PACKET IS A DETAILED LETTER THAT SHE SENT TO ME FOLLOWING OUR MEETING TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW AND HELP FACILITATE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, WHAT'S NEEDED, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THIS IS ALL CONGRUENT TO OUR STRATEGY OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE COORDINATING ALL ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH HOMELESSNESS, WITH ALL SERVICE PROVIDERS.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY INFORMATIVE LETTER.
SO THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR ST.
FRANCIS HOUSE/PORT IN THE STORM AND OUR STREET OUTREACH TEAM.
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ST FRANCIS HOUSE IS A LOW BARRIER TO ENTRY SHELTER.WE WILL ACCEPT ANYONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN OPEN WARRANT OR IS NOT ON A SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY.
OTHER THAN THAT, YOU CAN COME INTO OUR SHELTER AND WE WILL HELP YOU GET HOUSED.
WHAT WE ARE NOT IS A NIGHT BY NIGHT SHELTER.
PEOPLE THAT COME INTO OUR SHELTER ARE FACING A MULTITUDE OF ISSUES.
SOME OF THEM ARE JUST MAYBE MISSING A LITTLE INCOME.
OR MAYBE THEY HAVE HAD A FALLING OUT WITH THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHER OR THEIR ROOMMATES, AND THEY NEED JUST A MINUTE TO PUT THEIR MONEY TOGETHER SO THEY CAN GET BACK INTO HOUSING VERY QUICKLY.
WE ALSO SERVE THOSE WHO HAVE DEEP NEEDS AND FEW RESOURCES.
REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU COME TO US.
WE SIT DOWN WITH THEM, FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR OBSTACLES ARE TO HOUSING, AND THEN HELP THEM BUILD AN INDIVIDUAL PLAN THAT WILL GET THEM BACK ON THE ROAD TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY.
WE USE EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOOLS FOR OUR CASE MANAGERS TO IMPLEMENT.
AS FAR AS MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE, MEDICAL NEEDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WE REFER OUT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD A SYSTEM FOR OUR CLIENTS THAT INVOLVES THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO WHEN THEY COME TO US IS EXIT HOMELESSNESS PERMANENTLY.
SORRY. I BROUGHT MY BACKUP SINGERS.
THIS IS MY BOARD CHAIR, ED DWYER, AND OUR VICE CHAIR, JOHN WESTFIELD.
EVERYONE'S ABILITY IS DIFFERENT AND THAT'S OKAY.
SO WE'RE NOT LIKE A 30 DAY SHELTER OR A 90 DAY SHELTER, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE WOODS AFTER 18 YEARS AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RESOURCES AND YOU ARE NATURAL SUPPORT SYSTEM IS LONG GONE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU MUCH LONGER.
TO GET HOUSED, THEN IF YOU'VE JUST HAD ONE HICCUP AND YOU'VE NEVER BEEN HOMELESS BEFORE.
WE OFFER ALL OF THESE SAME SERVICES DURING THE DAY BETWEEN 9 A.M.
WE HAVE SHOWER, TELEPHONE, COMPUTER.
EVERYONE CAN COME, THEY CAN GET THEIR SERVICES AND THEN GO ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL CITY.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN OPEN CAMPUS.
PEOPLE CANNOT COME AND JUST STAY ALL DAY.
WE HAD THAT MODEL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST TOOK OVER NEARLY TEN YEARS AGO, AND IT DID NOT WORK WELL FOR ANYONE. HAVING LOTS OF PEOPLE HANGING OUT WITH NOTHING TO DO, IDLE HANDS AND ALL OF THAT, IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR THE STAFF TO MONITOR THE MOB.
IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET ANY ACTUAL WORK DONE.
WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO OVERSEE THAT MANY PEOPLE.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 16 BEDS FOR MEN.
WE HAVE 16 BEDS FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN.
WE HAVE OUR EIGHT CITY ORDINANCE BEDS.
WE DO RESPITE FOR FLAGLER HOSPITAL FOR THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS AND NEED OF MEDICAL CARE.
FOLLOW UP. WE ALSO HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE VETERANS COURT AND WITH THE DRUG COURT.
SO IF THEY ARE WORKING WITH SOMEONE THAT FALLS INTO HOMELESSNESS, THEY JUST GIVE US A CALL AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BED SO THAT THEY DON'T END UP RECIDIVATE USING BECAUSE OF HOMELESSNESS.
WE STARTING THIS WEEK ARE ADDING TEN MALE BEDS, SO THAT WILL BRING US UP TO 26 BEDS.
WE ALSO ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY TO FINALLY REVITALIZE OUR BUILDING AT 64.
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ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.ONCE WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR RENOVATION AND ARE GROWING AND STRETCHING, WE WILL HAVE GONE FROM 56 BEDS TO 97 BEDS OR 105 BEDS.
WHEN YOU COUNT OUR CITY ORDINANCE BEDS, OUR CITY ORDINANCE BEDS, IN ADDITION TO OUR DOWNTOWN SERVICES, WE HAVE OUR PORT IN THE STORM, WHICH IS OUR LOW BARRIER EMERGENCY SHELTER FOR YOUNG PEOPLE 18 TO 24.
THEY'RE THE TRANSITIONAL AGE YOUTH, AND THEY REQUIRE A DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN THE OLDER CLIENTS.
WE DO HAVE PLANS NOT YET IN THE PIPE, BUT WE'RE READY TO JUMP WHEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND BY AN ADDITIONAL 16 BEDS FOR A LICENSED EMERGENCY SHELTER FOR MINOR YOUTH FOR MINORS.
IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THOSE ONSITE SERVICES, WE HAVE OUR STREET OUTREACH TEAM.
THEY ARE ALL OVER THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
THEY ARE HOUSING PEOPLE DIRECTLY FROM THE STREET.
WE ARE CURRENTLY HIRING AN ADDITIONAL TEAM.
WE HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING TO ADD A YOUTH SPECIFIC OUTREACH WORKER AND WE HAVE RECEIVED A GRANT TO DO A VETERAN SPECIFIC OUTREACH WORKER.
SO WE WILL HAVE A TEAM OF NINE.
THE HIRING PROCESS GOES WELL IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
SO I PULLED SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER AND.
OUR APPROACH IS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
OUR APPROACH IS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
WE IN 2022, WE SERVED, WE SHELTERED 404 PEOPLE.
AND OF THE 371 THAT EXITED 42%, EXITED TO PERMANENT HOUSING FAMILIES OR LONG TERM FACILITY OF SOME SORT, LONG TERM CARE OR MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE LIVING FACILITY.
STREET OUTREACH IN 2022 WORKED WITH 199 UNSHELTERED PEOPLE.
48 OF THOSE WERE HOUSED DIRECTLY FROM THE STREET.
AN ADDITIONAL 42 EXITED THE STREET TO A SHELTER, TO A HOTEL, TO A DETOX FACILITY OR SOME OTHER SAFE BUT NOT PERMANENT HOUSING.
[INAUDIBLE] QUESTIONS ARE WHERE I SHINE, REALLY? NO QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I'M REALLY GOOD AT QUESTIONS.
WELL, I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME FOR YOU.
ALL RIGHT. BUT BEFORE YOU DO, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RISE IN CHRONICALLY HOMELESS? MM HMM. WE HAVE A CHART HERE THAT YOU GAVE US.
WE DO? THAT WAS GENERATED BY THE CONTINUUM OF CARE.
AND WHAT THAT DEFINITION THROUGH HUD MEANS IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN HOMELESS THREE OR MORE TIMES IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS OR OR CONSISTENTLY FOR ONE YEAR, AND THEY HAVE A DISABILITY.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD THAT BE DISABILITY.
A DISABILITY COULD BE MENTAL HEALTH.
AGAIN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR OUR SERVICES ARE SEEING A PRETTY SCARY UPTICK IN THE ELDERLY POPULATION AND SOME OF THEM ARE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS.
THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND NOW THEY'RE DISABLED.
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE SEEING ARE LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME.
AND CAN NO LONGER AFFORD RENT IN ST AUGUSTINE, WHERE THEY LIVED THEIR WHOLE LIVES.
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WE WILL START WITH QUESTIONS.RIGHT. I READ IN THE REPORT THAT YOU CHANGED YOUR PROGRAM WHEN YOU FIRST GOT HERE.
YES, SIR. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT? YES, SIR. I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS.
SURE. AND SO WHEN WE'RE CONTEMPLATING OPENING UP A SEPARATE FACILITY, YOU KIND OF WARNED US IN THAT LAST PARAGRAPH, BE CAREFUL WHAT WE DO, BUT ALSO COULD BE CAREFUL WHERE WE DO IT.
YES. IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL ABOUT WHERE YOU LOCATE, YOU'LL GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IN OUR LOCATION FOR 40 YEARS.
NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE CELEBRATING 40 YEARS.
WHEN I CAME ON, THERE WAS AN OPEN CAMPUS.
THEY COULD COME AND GET THEIR SERVICES, BUT THEY STAYED ALL DAY.
IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF DRUG USE ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DRUG SELLING ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE WAS PROSTITUTING AND THERE WAS VIOLENCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID IN MY FIRST YEAR WAS TO IMPLEMENT SOME SOME EXPECTATIONS.
YOU CAN'T JUST COME HERE AND HANG OUT ALL DAY.
WHAT IS IT WE CAN HELP YOU WITH? BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU END YOUR HOMELESSNESS.
THAT'S WHERE WE SHINE. I GOT RID OF THE TV.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, DOWN ON HER TINY STREET, WE NO LONGER HAD 100 PEOPLE MILLING AROUND ALL DAY LONG WITH NOTHING TO DO, CREATING MULTIPLE CALLS TO THE POLICE, CREATING MY PHONE, RINGING CONSTANTLY FROM NEIGHBORS WHO WERE SEEING A LOT OF MESS AND A LOT OF VIOLENCE.
AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE VERY POPULAR, BUT THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE.
ONCE WE NARROWED IT DOWN AND SAID, HEY, LOOK, WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO WORK WITH US, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST COME AND HANG AROUND OUR.
THE PEOPLE THAT CAME TO US WANTED HELP.
IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF STAFF TO OVERSEE LARGE CROWDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO.
WE ARE NOT A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.
WE REFER OUT TO MENTAL HEALTH WHERE WE'RE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER.
WE DON'T MANDATE THAT SOMEONE THAT NEEDS MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THEIR MEDS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IN ORDER TO STAY WITH US, JUST KEEP THEMSELVES SAFE AND OTHERS SAFE.
AND I REMEMBER I RECALL THAT YEARS AGO YOU, ST FRANCIS HOUSE, PARTNERED WITH CHURCHES AND THERE WAS A LOT OF WE DID A LOT OF FOOD MEALS OVER IN THE GRANADA PARKING LOT.
BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AS FREQUENTLY.
THAT IS HOME AGAIN. ST JOHN'S.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PROGRAM.
THAT'S NOT US. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS CHART.
BUT WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, I WENT DOWN AND TALKED TO SOME OF THE HOMELESS PEOPLE.
WHY WOULD THAT HAPPEN? THEY SAID THAT YOU GUYS SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY.
SOME PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD SAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT EVEN WITH OUR STAFF.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH.
SOMEONE WOULD BE DENIED SERVICES IF THEY HAVE BROUGHT DRUGS OR ALCOHOL ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
IF THEY'VE BEEN VIOLENT ON OUR PROPERTY.
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I CAN'T. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY.WHY ELSE THEY WOULD SAY THAT WE WERE.
I'D HAVE TO KNOW WHO THE CLIENT WAS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
WELL, THERE WAS A LADY NAMED MARY THAT I MET, AND MARY USED TO BE A MANAGER OF NO BREAD, AND SHE LOST HER JOB BECAUSE HER LEG WAS AMPUTATED.
AND SHE COULD NO LONGER AFFORD HER RENT.
I MET MARY DOWN ON SAINT GEORGE STREET.
SHE WAS A NICE, AVERAGE AGE WHITE FEMALE, AND SHE TOLD ME I ASKED HER HOW COME SHE COULDN'T GO TO THE ST FRANCIS HOUSE? AND SHE SAID SHE DID, AND THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T HELP HER.
I CAN'T SPEAK BECAUSE OF CONFIDENTIALITY TO SPECIFIC CLIENTS, [INAUDIBLE] RELEASE FROM THAT CLIENT.
I WOULD CAUTION ANYONE THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY.
OKAY. IS THIS YOU GUYS CAN'T TAKE CARE OF DISABLED PEOPLE OR.
YES, WE CAN. THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR ADULT LIVING AS LONG AS THEY CAN DO THEIR ADLS.
WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN WITH THAT NEEDS A MEMORY CARE UNIT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL ELDERLY FOLKS.
THAT'S HAVING A DISABILITY IS NOT DOES NOT PRECLUDE YOU FROM FROM COMING TO US.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS? IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY.
SO I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE MATH QUESTION.
AND AND YOU'RE WORKING HARD ON THAT, WHICH IS GREAT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF THE CITY WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR OWN FACILITY, HOW BIG DOES IT NEED TO BE? I MEAN, I KNOW THE NUMBERS ARE GROWING AND WITH INFLATION THE WAY IT IS AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING PRICES THE WAY THEY ARE, IS THIS GOING TO BE A SMALL FACILITY SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER OR IS OUR FACILITY GOING TO NEED TO BE BUILT OUT TO BE 100 BEDS? I MEAN, JUST TO BALLPARK.
WE'RE NOT LIKE ADDING MORE BUILDINGS.
I WOULD I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT YOUR GOAL OF YOUR PROJECT IS.
IF YOUR GOAL IS TO JUST PROVIDE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE STREETS SO THAT THEY ARE INSIDE AND THEY'RE NOT MILLING ABOUT.
WE'RE ABOUT TO DO THE POINT IN TIME COUNT ON THURSDAY.
SO EVEN THOUGH THAT'S JUST LIKE A SNAPSHOT, IT STILL WILL GIVE US A GOOD IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE OUT THERE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY THAT ARE EXPERIENCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS.
THE CONTINUUM OF CARE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH ABSOLUTE NUMBERS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ONE OF THE YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR.
MOST SUCCESSFUL MODELS THAT WE'VE SEEN IS DOWN IN KEY WEST, WHERE THE SIZING OF THE FACILITY WAS SIZE TO MATCH THE POINT IN TIME COUNT. AND IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS, I THINK, SINCE THERE'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD POINT IN TIME COUNT AS A FUNCTION OF COVID.
BUT BACK IN THE SPRING, ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS WE WENT IN THE SIZE OF THE COUNTY AND THE VAST THERE'S REALLY VERY FEW OF BEDS.
ALL THOSE WOULD MISS DEMBOWSKI JUST WENT THROUGH WAS PROBABLY THE BULK OF THE BEDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO HOMELESS MEN, HOMELESS FAMILIES, HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T FIT A VETERAN STATUS, OR THE SERVICES THAT ARE OFFERED TO WOMEN WHO ARE PREGNANT OR ESCAPING ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS.
SO THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT ABOUT CAPACITY.
AND THESE PROGRAMS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
OUR FIRST CUT RUN IS A FACILITY THAT COULD SERVE MAYBE 100 BEDS, COULD BE AS MANY AS 14 EMPLOYEES.
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SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ST FRANCIS HOUSE IS DOING AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT WE SET WHAT ARE OUR PROGRAM GOALS.AND OUR PROGRAM GOAL IS TO HELP PEOPLE FIND HOUSING AND TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF UNSHELTERED HOMELESS IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION ON SIZING.
I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THE CITY STAFF WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR GROUP AND OTHER GROUPS, TROY, IN THE COMMUNITY, THE EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE LOCALLY, AS WELL AS OUR STAFF AND IN A FORMAL WORKING GROUP, SOME TYPE OF A FORMAL PROCESS AND WORKING GROUP, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE THAT EXPERTISE, PARTICULARLY IN OUR LOCAL POPULATION OF HOMELESS PEOPLE. SO THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT I WANTED TO MAKE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING THOSE.
JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
OKAY. GOOD. LEAVING ME TO LEADING ME TO JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE PRESENTING BECAUSE I FOUND IT REALLY INTERESTING INFORMATION ON YOUR PAGE FIVE OF YOUR REPORT. YOU HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER OF YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM IS THE TITLE OF THE CHART, THE GAPS.
OKAY. THE GAPS ANALYSIS IS NOT YOURS.
I'M SORRY. OKAY, THEN I'LL READ IT BY THE CONTINUUM.
I'M SORRY. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND I'M SORRY FOR ANY CONFUSION.
WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT IN THE GAP ANALYSIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE DOING SOME THEY WERE TRYING TO TEASE OUT SOME POTENTIAL RACIAL TRENDS IN NEEDS FOR SERVICES.
AND THERE WERE 70%, IT LOOKS LIKE, OF THE TOTAL WERE WHITE, 5% WERE MULTI RACE AND 22% WERE BLACK OR AFRICAN-AMERICAN WHO WERE SEEKING THESE SERVICES, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT THEN. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO IDENTIFIED AS BLACK OR AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR HAVING MULTIPLE RACES HAVE ACCESS TO A SYSTEM AT A HIGHER RATE.
SO I THINK WHAT AND THAT'S IN THE RACE AND ETHNICITY GRAPH AND I'M NOT GRAPH I'M CHART TABLE SORRY I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE'S SOMETHING CULTURALLY WHERE SERVICES PRESENT THAT ARE OFFERED ARE BEING USED AT A GREATER RATE PROPORTIONALLY FOR THE HOMELESS POPULATION? AND IF SO, THERE MIGHT BE SOME SOCIOLOGICAL ASPECTS TO THAT COULD REALLY BE TEASED OUT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU GOT OUT OF IT? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY.
AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SEEING NATIONALLY.
THERE'S A HUGE FOCUS RIGHT NOW, NATIONALLY ON EQUITY.
OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TOO, THAT WE COULD FOLLOW AND LEARN FROM, HOPEFULLY.
OKAY, GREAT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
SO I THINK WE'VE I DO HAVE A COUPLE MAYBE STATEMENTS, OBSERVATIONS, MAYBE.
QUESTION I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT COULD YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN TO ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPEN VERSUS CLOSED CAMPUS? BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHERE I GOT HUNG UP.
SURE. THE OPEN CAMPUS WAS EVERYBODY COULD COME AND STAY ALL DAY AND THEY JUST CAME AND WENT.
THAT'S KIND OF AN OPEN CAMPUS.
YOU GO TO YOUR APPOINTMENT AND THEN YOU GO ABOUT YOUR DAY.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE JUST MOVING THE POPULATION AROUND.
SO FOR A LONG TIME THEY WERE THERE NEAR THE FRANCIS HEALTH SERVICES.
NOW WE'RE SEEING THEM IN THE PUBLIC SPACES.
CERTAINLY FEEDBACK ON A REGULAR BASIS ABOUT HOMELESSNESS IS I'M SEEING THEM.
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AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SET OUR CAP TO, WELL, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THEM BEING UNSEEN? I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE OUR MODEL HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR PROBABLY STRICTLY IN PLACE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.SO THE INCREASE IN SEEING THEM IS NOT BECAUSE OF THAT.
THE INCREASE IN SEEING THEM IS BECAUSE THERE'S MORE OF THE ABSOLUTE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT OUR STREET OUTREACH IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ACCORDING TO THE GAPS ANALYSIS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THAT WAS IT WAS QUITE STUNNING.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO A PLACE TO LIVE ANYMORE.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE IN THE HOMELESS SYSTEM.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
SO, MR. CITY MANAGER, WHERE DO WE GO NOW? WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? I KNOW THAT YOU AND I ARE PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT KEY WEST.
AND PLANNING A TRIP TO GO AND SEE HOW THEY MANAGE, WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEIR COMMUNITY. SO WHAT ELSE CAN WE NEED TO KEEP? WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH IS DEVELOPING WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS MODEL AND THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE IN ANY CITY FACILITY.
AND THE EMPHASIS IS ON TRANSITIONAL AND PERMANENT AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
BUT THERE ARE WITH THE EMPHASIS IS ON HOUSING FIRST.
AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WORK THROUGH THIS PROBLEM, SPEND TIME IN TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND TRANSITIONAL TO WHAT IS THERE HOUSING.
AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL NEVER SUCCEED.
AND THAT IS REALLY WHERE PERMANENT AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING COMES IN.
SO WE JUST NEED TO KEEP LOOKING FOR THE BEST PRACTICES AND ESTABLISHING HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
THERE ARE NO QUICK SOLUTIONS AND ANY OPTIONS REQUIRE.
QUITE A BIT OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES WHICH I OUTLINED BEFORE.
AND THE GAME CHANGER HERE IS THAT.
WHAT WE HAVE ADOPTED IN THE STRATEGY IS THE CITY TO TAKE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP ROLE WITHIN ALL THE SERVICE PROVIDERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A COORDINATION, BUT THAT WE ARE BRINGING SUBSTANTIAL RESOURCES TO THE TABLE THAT CURRENTLY AREN'T IN PLACE.
WE HAVE THE CAPACITY THROUGH DIFFERENT FINANCIAL MECHANISMS TO GENERATE A MILLION AND A HALF IN ANNUAL RECURRING REVENUE.
THAT DOESN'T OCCUR FOR HOMELESS SERVICES NOW.
SO WE HAVE TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE NEW FUNDING SOURCES THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD FUND THAT PROGRAM UP TO $1.5 MILLION OR PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN GENERATE AND WHAT DEPENDING ON THE MODEL AND THE TYPE OF FACILITY, WHAT ARE OTHER RESOURCES, FEDERAL RESOURCES THAT CAN BE BROUGHT TO BEAR THAT CURRENTLY AREN'T IN PLAY.
SO WE JUST NEED TO STAY THE COURSE WITH THE PLAN.
IT'S ONLY BEEN ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF.
AND WHEN WE SURFACE WITH A SIGHTING STUDY, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
AND [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT WHEN WE BRING TO IS THE SIGHTING AND WE ARE SPECIFICALLY WHERE ARE WE IN THE SIGHTING? WE ARE STUDYING DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE CAN BRING TO THE CITY COMMISSION BETWEEN EXISTING PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE CITY, WHICH WOULD BE GROUND UP CONSTRUCTION AND ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE REHABILITATED.
SO THE CITY IS ACTIVELY LOOKING TO FIND EITHER ONE.
RIGHT. WE'RE HOPING TO BRING THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO THE COMMISSION, THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
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WHEN CAN WE EXPECT THAT? I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A PROMISE OF THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES ARE IN NEGOTIATION.YES. AND THEY'RE NOT LOCKED DOWN IN ANY FORM OF NEGOTIATION YET.
BUT I THINK THE KEY THING IS WE ALL KNOW THE URGENCY.
WE DO. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS, ANY? I DO. AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO FIND HOUSING.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO OUTSIDE OF PROVIDING HOUSING? TO HELP MITIGATE THE PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING DOWNTOWN AND STRENGTHENING ORDINANCES, PURSUING SOME ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN CAN HELP.
WELL, ONE THING I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK, GRANT ARPA SOURCES, ALL THE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT ARE GOING THAT ARE IN PLAY WHERE THE SAME FRANCIS HOUSE IS ADDING ADDITIONAL STREET OUTREACH TO HELP MORE OF WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT CONNECTING PEOPLE DIRECTLY FROM THE STREET TO HOUSING REGULATORY SCHEMES AND LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE REGULATORY SCHEMES IS ALSO PART OF THE STRATEGY. IT GETS PRETTY COMPLICATED, BUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANY TYPE OF BEST PRACTICE REGULATORY SPEAKING.
I WANT TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL ON THE LEGAL SIDE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PREMISE IS THAT WHAT I THINK IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MORE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THE HOMELESS, IT CAN CHANGE MAYBE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF REGULATORY SCHEMES.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A REGULATORY SCHEME ON PANHANDLING AND BUT WHEN PEOPLE KNOW WHERE EXACTLY TO BE, THAT IS STILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITY.
THEY HAVE NOTHING THAT NECESSARILY THEY CALL HOME.
I WANT TO, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS A LONG A SHORT.
OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT, MR. CITY MANAGER. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GET SOLVED OVERNIGHT OR FIXED OVERNIGHT.
AND I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO ARTICULATE THAT TO MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT WE HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER, WHICH IS CALLED. AND I LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT'S CALLED THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT WE LOVE SO MUCH IN OUR COUNTRY.
ALL RIGHT. AND THANK YOU, MS. DEMBOWSKI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS WHICH REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
[8.A.1. Ordinance 2023-01: Prohibits fishing from any appurtenances to the seawall. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]
AND FOR SECOND READING, THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS THE ORDINANCE 2020 3-1 CITY ATTORNEY LOPEZ YES, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS ORDINANCE 2020 3-01 WOULD PROHIBIT FISHING FROM APPURTENANCES TO THE SEAWALL, SO OUR EXISTING CODE HAD PROHIBITED FISHING FROM THE SEAWALLS FOR DECADES.AND RECENTLY A QUESTION CAME UP AS TO THE VIEWING EVENT VIEWING PLATFORM THAT WAS BUILT AROUND THE TIME THE DOT REBUILT THE BRIDGE OF LIONS. IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE IN YOUR HEAD IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE BRIDGE OF LIONS, THERE'S THIS SORT OF A PERTINENCE TO THE SEAWALL THAT JUTS OUT.
AND IT WAS DESIGNED AS AN EVENT PLATFORM AND EVENT VIEWING PLATFORM AND THE OPERATIONAL CONTROL AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT FACILITY AND ALL OF THAT AREA, WHICH IS TERMED THE NORTH PARK PER AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DOT WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY.
IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO BE A FISHING PIER.
WE DID PROVIDE SOME FINDINGS REGARDING THE CONCERNS REGARDING FISHING AT THAT LOCATION.
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IT'S AN URBAN LOCATION AND IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER YOU REALLY WANT TO BRING IN OR ATTRACT BIRDS OR RODENTS OR OTHER ANIMALS, WILDLIFE THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTED TO VISCERA OR THE REMNANTS OF FISHING, IF I CAN PHRASE IT THAT WAY.DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK? I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.
IF I DON'T SEE ANYONE COME FORWARD.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT ORDINANCE 2023-01.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE READ. ORDINANCE 2023-01.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF ST AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER SEVEN, ARTICLE ONE, SECTION SEVEN, DASH TWO OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, PROHIBITING FISHING FROM ANY APPURTENANCES TO THE SEAWALL, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ALL RIGHT. ON TO ITEM 8.A.2, AND WE'LL READ THESE TWO TOGETHER.
[8.A.2. Ordinance 2023-02: Amends the future land use designation of 1700 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard and 25 Missouri Avenue from Commercial Medium Intensity to Residential Medium Density Mixed Use. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
ORDINANCE ALONG WITH ORDINANCE 20 2301, WHICH ARE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THE.[8.A.3. Ordinance 2023-03: Amends the zoning of 1700 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard and 25 Missouri Avenue from Commercial Medium-Two (CM-2) to Residential General Office-A (RGO-A). (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
REZONING. AND MS. LOPEZ, IS THAT IS IT PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TOGETHER OR THE PUBLIC, MS. LOPEZ. YES.SO WE DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TOGETHER WITH THE PLANNING, WITH THE ZONING? AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH ITEM.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON BOTH ITEMS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALLY.
ALL RIGHT, MS. SKINNER? YES. GOOD EVENING.
THESE, AS YOU'VE NOTED, THESE NEXT FOUR ITEMS ARE ON THE AGENDA, ARE VERY SIMILAR.
THE FIRST ITEM IS A SECOND READING IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2023-02, WHICH IS THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR 1700 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND 25 MISSOURI AVENUE, CHANGING THE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED USE.
THE SECOND ITEM IS A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2023-03, WHICH IS A COMPATIBLE REZONING FOR THE SAME PROPERTY FROM CM2 TO RGOA.
THE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW 40 FEET OF HEIGHT INSTEAD OF 35 FEET, BUT IT DOES REDUCE THE INTENSITY OF THE POTENTIAL ALLOWED USES AND INCREASES THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE.
THIS IS THE OLD BUSSARD CAR SALES SITE, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 19 6068.
AS I NOTED, THESE ITEMS ARE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH ORDINANCE.
SEPARATE MOTIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR EACH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SKINNER BEFORE WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN NOW.
WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST.
AND THEN WE'LL DO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER DANTE PATEL, THROUGH HIS COMPANY VISTA HOTEL FOR INC.
AS YOU HEARD FROM MS. SKINNER AND YOU HEARD A FEW WEEKS AGO AND WE WERE HERE ON FIRST READING THIS IS TO A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING FROM COMMERCIAL TO THE MIXED USE IN RGOA, AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE FIRST READING, THIS REDUCES THE INTENSITY.
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IT'S REALLY A DOWN ZONING AND A DOWN LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY.IT DOES ALLOW A COUPLE EXTRA FEET OF HEIGHT, BUT IT ALSO REDUCES, AS I THINK COMMISSIONER HORVATH MENTIONED A FEW TIMES AT THE FIRST READING, FROM 75% TO 50% OF LOT COVERAGE.
AND ALSO AS YOU HEARD FROM MS. SKINNER. CHANGES SOME OF THE USES AND TAKES AWAY THE USES THAT ARE NOT DESIRABLE IN THIS LOCATION.
AND IF WE NEED TO, I CAN PUT THAT UP.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE.
ONE CLARIFICATION. I THINK WE WERE A LITTLE CONFUSED LAST TIME.
YES, SIR. YOU'VE REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING BY MOVING FROM ONE ZONING TO THE OTHER.
THE LOT COVERAGE IS REDUCED FROM ALLOWING 75% LOT COVERAGE TO 50% LOSS COVERAGE.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY PARKING.
THAT'S THE BUILDING. YES, SIR.
YES. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLEAR.
I HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR MS. LAUREN [INAUDIBLE]. ALL OF I MISS BJ KALAIDI.
LAUREN GEBER TO 57 RIBERIA STREET.
THE NEW HOTEL PROPERTIES LOCATED ON U.S.
ONE. SUGGESTIONS IF THE CITY IS CONTEMPLATING GIVING VISTA HOTELS A BREAK ON THE HEIGHTS OF THEIR BUILDINGS IN EXCHANGE FROM WIDER WALKING SPACES AROUND THE SEVERAL PROPERTIES, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THE FOLLOWING.
SINCE THE PATELS NOW HAVE MANY HOTELS THAT NEED SERVICES AND RENTS IN THE LOCAL AREA ARE EXORBITANT.
USING PERMEABLE PAVERS AS OPPOSED TO CONCRETE FOR WALKING AND CYCLING AND PARKING AREAS.
THAT PARTICULAR SPOT OF TOWN DOES FLOOD.
IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MARSH GREEN SPACES, WHICH ARE NOT DESIGNATED IN WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR, EXCEPT THAT THE BUILT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS SMALLER.
SO PLANTING OF TREES WOULD NOT ONLY BEAUTIFY THE HOTEL BUT ALSO THE US ONE CORRIDOR AND WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH ST AUGUSTINE BEING A TREE CITY USA.
SINCE CROSSING US ONE ON FOOT IS UNDESIRABLE.
PERHAPS A SHUTTLE LIKE SOUTHERN OAKS IN HAS TO ELIMINATE TRAFFIC OR WORKING WITH THE TROLLEY TO STOP FOUR VISITORS FROM THE HOTEL PROPERTIES.
AND SINCE THIS IS A HUGE PROPERTY AND WE'LL HAVE A MAJOR VISUAL IMPACT ON THE CITY, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BE HELD SO THAT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AND THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF THE FINAL DESIGN.
AND ON THAT, I'M VERY SORRY THAT MISS HORVATH IS VICE MAYOR IS NOT HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I THINK HER $0.02 WOULD BE VERY WORTHWHILE CONSIDERING THAT IS HER FORTE.
NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER IS MS. BJ KALAIDI.
MAYOR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CARD, I WANT TO SPEAK ON FOUR AND FIVE.
I HAVE EIGHT, EIGHT TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON TWO AND THREE NOW.
JUST FOUR OR FIVE. OK, DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS FROM THE PUBLIC? SO PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
WE WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.
YES, MA'AM. I STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE.
I THINK IT'S JUST AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR CODES.
RESTRICT US AS COMMISSIONERS FROM DOING THE DEVELOPERS WHAT ENTITLEMENTS THEY HAVE UNDER ZONING.
AND I GUESS I'M RESPONDING TO WHAT MS. [INAUDIBLE] HAS BEEN SAYING.
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WE DON'T HAVE A PAD IN FRONT OF US HERE, SO THERE IS ONLY THE, THE STRAIGHT ZONING THAT WE CAN ENFORCE WITH THE APPLICANT.THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR A ZONING THAT IS LESS INTENSE, THAT IS MORE IN CONCERT WITH WHAT WOULD BE DESIRABLE IN THIS CITY THAN.
THAN SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT WOULD CURRENTLY BE ALLOWED.
SUCH AS A CAR DEALERSHIP, AUTOMOBILE REPAIR SHOPS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
RIGHT. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU DID.
SO IT'S HOTELS THAT ARE LOWER, IT'S LOWER INTENSITY, AND I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT AS SUCH, RECOGNIZING THE CONCERNS OF THE SPEAKER THAT THEY JUST MOST OF THEM, WE JUST CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
I WISH WE COULD DO ALL THE THINGS THAT SHE'S ASKED US TO DO.
BUT I WOULD GO BACK TO MY COMMENT ABOUT THE COVERAGE WITH MY SIMPLE MATH.
AND SO I'M ASKING THAT THEY TRULY CONSIDER THAT NOT ALONG WITH THE PERMEABLE PAVERS, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE AS MANY LARGE TREES AS POSSIBLE IN THAT PROPERTY, IN THE PROPERTY.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READDRESS.
MR. WHITEHOUSE ARE YOU GOOD? I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT FORTUNATELY WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, WE'VE SEEN SOME OF HIS WORK BEFORE IN THE CITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AS YOU KNOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I'LL PASS THOSE COMMENTS ALONG.
I APPRECIATE THOSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO MAKE A.
I'M READY TO HEAR A MOTION ON ORDINANCE 2023-02, WHICH WE JUST HEARD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON.
YEAH, I MOVE. WE ACCEPT ORDINANCE 2023-02 ON AND READ BY TITLE ONLY.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FLUME DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.71 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 700 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND 25 MISSOURI AVENUE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY TO A DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED USE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
SO WE DO NEED TO HEAR WE HAVE HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2020 3-03, WHICH IS THE ZONING THAT IS BEING PRESENTED IN TANDEM WITH THAT, WITH THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT WE JUST APPROVED.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND AGAIN, MS. [INAUDIBLE], DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK AGAIN SINCE YOUR CARD IS VISTA HOTELS AND REALLY WOULD ENCOMPASS.
ARE YOU GOOD? ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO COME FORWARD? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ORDINANCE 2023-03.
I SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? I THINK SHE WAS ME. I THINK THAT WAS YOU SAYING, I MAKE THE MOTION AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
MS. MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU MAKE ONE COMMENT? ABSOLUTELY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS RIGHT IN READING THIS.
THAT IS CORRECT. THE RGOA IS LIMITED TO 40 FEET.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNEW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A 40 FOOT MAXIMUM.
AND THE ZONING IS WHAT WOULD GOVERN THE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT.
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EVERYONE. OKAY? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO DO THE READING OF THE TITLE.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023, DASH ZERO THREE.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 0.71 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1700 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND 25 MISSOURI AVENUE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TO CM2 TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. CLASSIFICATION OF RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL GENERAL OFFICE A RADIO A PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL NOW.
[8.A.4. Ordinance 2023-04: Amends the future land use designation of 1800 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard, 1860 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard and 7 San Carlos Avenue from Commercial Medium Intensity to Residential Medium Density Mixed Use. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
[8.A.5. Ordinance 2023-05: Amends the zoning of 1800 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard, 1860 North Ponce de Leon Boulevard and 7 San Carlos Avenue from Commercial Medium-Two (CM-2) to Residential General Office A (RGO-A). (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
CHANGE FOR THE SAME PARCEL.THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE SECOND READINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR ORDINANCE 2020 3-04, WHICH IS L.A.
PLAN MAP AMENDMENT FOR 1818 60 NORTH AND 1860 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND SEVEN WEST SAN CARLOS AVENUE. THESE PROPERTIES ARE JUST NORTH OF THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED, CHANGING THE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED USE.
AND IT'S ALSO A SECOND READING ON THE IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2020 3-05, WHICH IS A COMPARABLE REZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY FROM CM2 TO RIO A.
THE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW THE SAME CHANGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
THERE ARE THREE STRUCTURES ON THIS.
AND THE REPAIR GARAGE AT SAN CARLOS ON SAN CARLOS WAS BUILT IN 1970.
THE HARBOR WOULD REVIEW ANY DEMOLITION APPLICATIONS.
FOR ANY STRUCTURES 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER.
THESE ITEMS ARE SECOND READINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO FOR EACH ORDINANCE AND EACH ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SEPARATE MOTION.
OKAY, SO WE WILL TAKE UP EITHER ORDINANCE 2023-04.
FIRST OF ALL, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. MR. WHITEHOUSE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
IT'S A SIMILAR REQUEST FOR THESE PROPERTIES.
WE SPLIT THEM UP. THE STAFF WANTED TO SPLIT THEM UP SO IT WOULD BE MORE CLEAR TO THE COMMISSION, BUT IT'S THE SAME REQUEST AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE IS FROM THE COMMISSION. ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, MR. WHITEHOUSE, AT THE LAST MEETING, I DID ASK YOU TO CONSIDER AND TALK TO YOUR APPLICANT, TO YOUR OWNER, WHAT HIS PLANS WERE OR WHAT KIND OF CONSIDERATION HE MIGHT GIVE FOR THIS SMALL BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN 1964.
THAT IS QUITE UNIQUE AND ICONIC.
YES. AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE JUST HERE TWO WEEKS AGO FOR THE FIRST READING.
AS AMY TOLD YOU, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE HARP ON THAT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THE EVALUATION OF THAT BUILDING BEFORE WE COME BEFORE HARB, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN REMAIN IN PLACE, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK WITH THE PLAN, BUT LOOKING AT THE BUILDING ITSELF AND WHETHER IT CAN BE MOVED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE EVALUATED AND WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE KEPT IN THE WHOLE THING.
I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ANY CONSIDERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WHITEHOUSE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. KALAIDI, YOU ARE INVITED TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU. BJ KALAIDI WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
REMEMBER THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IN 2007 WROTE AN ORDINANCE 2007-11 TO ALLOW.
X RATED DISTRICT AND SEEM TO ZONING.
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THIS DEVELOPMENT IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE MAIN LIBRARY, 1960 NORTH PONCE AT SEVEN WEST SAN CARLOS. THAT IS A WELL TRAVELED ROAD IN ADDITION TO US ONE.UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WILL BE THE THIRD HOTEL BUILT ON US ONE NORTH BY THIS DEVELOPER.
THIS IS NOT AUTHENTIC, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF ST AUGUSTINE.
I APPRECIATE MS. AMY CORRECTING THE AGENDA TO SHOW THAT THIS IS AT SEVEN WEST SAN CARLOS WEST WAS LEFT OFF IN THE AGENDA.
IT SEEMS AS I LISTEN TO THESE MEETINGS, THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE'S VISION HAS CHANGED FROM LIVABILITY TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON MAIN ROAD, LEADING TO HISTORIC ST AUGUSTINE.
IS QUESTIONABLE, BUT IT WAS DONE.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM WHAT THIS TOWN STANDS FOR AND WHAT HIS CHARACTER IS.
AND YOUR HANDS MAY BE TIED, BUT I REALLY WONDER SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO THE TOWN AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP, DO THEY REALLY CONSIDER WHAT IS HERE AND HOW TO PROTECT IT? I DON'T SEE IT BEING PROTECTED.
I KNOW YOU DO THE BEST YOU CAN, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE IT BEING PROTECTED.
SO THIS WILL PROBABLY PASS TOO.
AND BE VERY INTERESTING, MAYOR, TO SEE IF THAT IS DEMOLISHED OR NOT.
IF I HAD ANY MONEY, WHICH I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A BIG BET SO I CAN GET RICH BECAUSE I WOULD VOTE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE GONE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IT.
MAYBE OVER IN WEST CITY, THEY'LL MOVE IT OVER THERE.
MAYBE SOME HOMELESS PERSON CAN LIVE IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I MEAN, COMMISSIONER GARRIS IS WELL AWARE OF THAT, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN AND HOW IT IS TRULY CHANGING WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND WHAT WE VALUE, ESPECIALLY IN THE VISION PLAN THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER FOR US.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS KALAIDI.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON ITEM 2023-04 OR ORDINANCE 23, DASH 204.
PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
DO I HEAR A MOTION OR CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A COMMENT FIRST, LADIES.
AND SO I AM JUST ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BE CREATIVE AND STAFF AND CREATIVE IN THE WORLD TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN RAISE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT FROM OVERDEVELOPMENT.
TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED OUT THERE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T WRITTEN OUT THAT WAY IN A LONG TIME, PLEASE DO.
AND ANYWAY, IT WAS JUST DEPRESSING.
THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, THE LONG TIME RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, HOW THEY THEY FEEL ABOUT HOTEL AND DEVELOPMENT. AND I WISH WE COULD CONTROL IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMENT.
SO BEFORE WE PASS THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR INTENT IS.
AND THEN VICE MAYOR CAN ALSO BE BACK TO MAKE THAT DECISION AS WELL.
OKAY, SO I HEAR ONE DELAY OF VOTE OR TABLING WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS, ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT I WILL SAY ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEMOLITION OR MOVE OF THAT SMALL 1964 BUILDING THAT EVEN WITH THE HARD REVIEW ON A DEMOLITION PERMIT, THERE IS.
IT COULD AFFECT THEIR WHOLE PROJECT, AND I HAVE TO DEFER TO THEM SINCE THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
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AND THE WAY THAT THE PROGRAM WORKS IS IN THE WAY THAT WE CONSTRUCT IT.BUT THEY WILL MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
I GUESS THEY DON'T. I MEAN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
DO THEY HAVE THE POWER TO ACTUALLY DENY THE DEMOLITION OF THAT BUILDING? I DON'T THINK IT SITS IT'S NOT A NATIONAL LANDMARK.
IT'S NOT IN A NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.
SO THEY ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT CRITERIA WOULD APPLY THROUGH A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING JUST TO REFOCUS THE COMMISSION AT THIS STAGE, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR OR NOT YOU.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR ONE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS CHANGE TO ANOTHER, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER A CONVENTIONAL ZONING TO ANOTHER CONVENTIONAL ZONING.
WE CAN'T TACK ON CONDITIONS TO THAT.
MS. SKINNER INTERLACE THAT ON THE RECORD, IF YOU LIKE.
BUT AGAIN, WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS WILL BE WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.
HARVEY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING DEMOLITION APPLICATIONS.
NOT MEET THE CRITERIA. THAT WAS THE SIMPLE QUESTION.
COMMISSIONERS. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-04.
ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FLUME DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 1.48 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1800 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD, 1860 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND SEVEN SAN CARLOS AVENUE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY TO A DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED USE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO ORDINANCE 2023-05.
WE ALREADY HEARD THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS ANYONE HERE? MS. KALAIDI, I THINK SHE ALREADY SPOKE ON THIS, SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKER CARDS.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK? HEARING NONE. SEEING NONE.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE 2023-205 ON READING, READ BY TITLE ONLY AND BY TITLE ONLY.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-05, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, REZONING APPROXIMATELY 1.48 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1800 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD, 1860 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND SEVEN SAN CARLOS AVENUE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TO CM2 TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, CLASSIFICATION OF RESIDENTIAL GENERAL OFFICE, A ARGUE A PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO FIRST READINGS ORDINANCES.
[9.A.1. Ordinance 2023-06: Amends the Future Land Use Designation of a portion of 865 Fish Island Road south of State Road 312 from Public to Commercial Medium Intensity. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
WE HAVE ORDINANCE 2023-06, MS. SKINNER. YES.[02:10:03]
SOUTH SIDE OF STATE ROAD 312.THIS ORDINANCE IS THE LAND USE PLAN MAP AMENDMENT CHANGING THE LAND USE FROM PUBLIC TO COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION OF THE STATE ROAD 312 CORRIDOR.
THE SECOND ITEM IS AN INTRODUCTION IN FIRST READING FOR ORDINANCE 2020 3-07.
[9.A.2. Ordinance 2023-07: Amends the zoning of a portion of 865 Fish Island Road south of State Road 312 from Government Use District (GU) to Commercial Medium-Two (CM-2). (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
WHICH IS A COMPARABLE REZONING FOR THE SAME PROPERTY FROM GIU TO CM2.THE PCB RECOMMENDED THESE CHANGES AT THEIR JANUARY 3RD MEETING.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS THE PROPERTY, ONE OF THREE PROPERTIES THE CITY OWNS THAT WE CONSIDERED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR.
AND THAT IF IT IT WOULD NEED TO BE REZONED IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO SELL IT.
AND THAT COULD HELP US PAY FOR A NEW FIRE STATION.
AM I CORRECT? AMONG OTHER THINGS, YES.
I THINK THAT WAS THE PLAN WE DISCUSSED.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST PUT THE NEW COMMISSIONERS HERE.
I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC, OF COURSE.
YES. THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THAT.
AND I DO HAVE A MAP. IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO PUT UP A MAP TO THAT, WE CAN CLARIFY.
I THINK IT'LL BE THE EASIEST ONE TO SHOW.
THIS IS THE EXISTING CITY PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF 312 AND TO THE SOUTH OF 312.
THIS IS THE ACRES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL MEDIUM KIND OF SURROUNDING IT.
THIS IS REFLECTING THE ZONING CHANGE, BUT THE LAND USE CHANGE IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT AS WELL.
SO THE REST OF THE CITY PROPERTY WOULD REMAIN IN THE EU AND IN THE PUBLIC USE ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL MEDIUM.
AND THIS IS JUST EAST OF THE 312 BRIDGE.
AND THE BUILDING TO THE EAST IS WHAT BUILDING? IS THAT THE BANK? THERE'S THERE'S, I BELIEVE, A DENTIST'S OFFICE AND A BANK BUILDING.
AND THIS LAND IS NOT IN ITS NATURAL STATE.
THIS HAS BEEN IS THIS CAPPED? AND THEN. THIS PROPERTY WAS PART OF THE LANDFILL LANDFILL.
AND I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS DONE AN ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND SO THAT WOULD ALL BE PUBLIC INFORMATION IF IT WERE TO BE SOLD.
I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THERE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FROM PLANTATION ISLAND DRY? YES. AND BASICALLY THERE'S AN EXISTING UTILITY STRUCTURE HERE.
FROM PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE STATE ROAD 312 IS A LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY, SO ANYONE THAT WOULD DEVELOP THIS WOULD BE COMING IN OFF OF PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, ANY DISCUSSION CONCERNING THIS, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2023-06 AND MOVE IT TO SECOND READING. I MIGHT SECOND A SECOND.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-06 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP PLUM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 2.32 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 312 BEING A PORTION OF 865 FISH ISLAND ROAD BETWEEN 700 PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE SOUTH AND 950 PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE SOUTH IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF PUBLIC TO A DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ALL RIGHT.
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CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.BARBARA BLONDER? YES. CYNTHIA GARRIS? YES. JIM SPRINGFIELD? YES. NANCY SIKES-KLINE? YES. ALL RIGHT, SO I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR UNLESS THERE'S ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE ZONING PORTION OF THIS.
I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE.
NO, ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
IT'S A FIRST READING, SO I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR AT THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023-07 AND MOVE IT TO SECOND READING.
ALL RIGHT. SECOND THEN ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-07, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 2.32 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 312 BEING A PORTION OF 865 FISH ISLAND ROAD BETWEEN 700 PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE SOUTH AND 950 PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE SOUTH IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
AUGUSTINE, CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TWO CM-2 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO RESOLUTIONS, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE THAN TEN OR 20 MINUTES, MAYBE MORE LIKE 45 MINUTES POSSIBLY LEFT OF WORK TO DO, UNLESS EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SPEED THROUGH IT.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY WANTS TO SPEED THROUGH IT.
SO I'M GOING TO FOLLOW FORMER MAYOR UPCHURCH'S GENERAL GUIDELINES TO KEEPING THE MEETINGS AT, YOU KNOW, AROUND 7:30.
SO WE'RE 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THAT.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE, WAS IT 7:30 OR DID WE DO EIGHT? HE WANTED MEETING WAS NOT TO EXCEED 4 HOURS I BELIEVE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THEN WE'RE. WE'RE ON TRACK.
JUST SO THAT I COULD SAY I WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND KEEP THAT POLICY AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT POLICY IF EVERYBODY'S AGREEABLE.
AND I'M SURE THAT COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR HORVATH FEELS THE SAME WAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
SO WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS, RESOLUTION 2023-02, AND THAT IS MR.
[9.B.1. Resolution 2023-02: Authorizes the City Manager to execute a State-Funded Grant Supplemental Agreement between the State of Florida Department of Transportation and the City for the construction of landscaping at the intersection of May Street and San Marco. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works)]
FRANKLIN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.REUBEN FRANKLIN PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
WE REACHED OUT TO DOT AND THEY HAVE OFFERED AN ADDITIONAL $75,000.
SO THIS WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT UP TO $275,000.
JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WE DO HAVE THE CONTRACTOR AND THE BID IN HAND.
SO IF APPROVED, THIS WOULD START EARLY FEBRUARY.
I LIVE TWO STREETS NORTH OF THIS THING AND HAVE SUFFERED THROUGH EVERY SINGLE STAGE OF IT FROM THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES WITH THEIR REAR.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE OTHER ORGANISMS LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY SUFFERED TOO. BUT THIS THING IS A LONG TIME COMING AND I WOULD VERY MUCH SUPPORT ENTERING INTO THIS RENEGOTIATED AGREEMENT.
AND I WOULD THOUGH LIKE TO SAY THAT IS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
CAN WE USE NATIVE PLANTS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE? MOST OF IT. WE HAVE LIVE OAKS.
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PLANTS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AND THEY ARE MUCH HARDIER AND DON'T REQUIRE THE HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES AND MAINTENANCE THAT THE NON-NATIVES DO.WELL, I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
THAT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A PRESENTATION ON THAT.
WE HAVE A BUDGET, IT IS BUDGETED IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET.
WELL, WE HAVE $80,000 IN THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR THE PUBLIC ART.
WORKING TOWARDS DEVELOPING A PROGRAM FOR AN ART SELECTION.
PROPOSALS. THAT PROCESS WILL TAKE US INTO A FUTURE YEAR.
THE SCALE OF PUBLIC ART IS IT'S NOT 80,000 AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY 300,000.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO END UP IDEALLY CARRYING OVER 80,000 AND COMBINING IT WITH A FUTURE BUDGET YEAR TO GET SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FOR THE LOCATION.
BUT THAT HASN'T STOPPED THE PROCESS.
AND FOR REFERENCE, THE PUBLIC ART PIECE WAS PROPOSED TO GO RIGHT HERE.
SO WE'VE ACCOMMODATED IT IN THESE LANDSCAPE PLANS.
THE NEXT STEP WILL BE TO GO THROUGH THE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT THERE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A GIANT PEANUT? NO PEANUTS.
OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD CONNECT VERY WELL WITH IT.
SO. SO DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS RESOLUTION? ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023, DASH OH TWO.
SECOND. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
[10.A. Discussion regarding the repair work needed for hardening the Municipal Marina breakwater dock against future storm events. (C. Sakryd, Deputy Director, General Services)]
MR. SACRED, YOU'RE ON.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.
COREY STUCKER, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES.
SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE BRIEFED, THE COMMISSION, THE CITY DID RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000 AND ALSO $250,000 FROM THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PORT WATERWAY AND BEACH DISTRICT FOR THE REPAIRS OF THE MUNICIPAL MARINA.
AND THE SECOND ONE, YOU KNOW, THE WE GOT TO REALLY HAND IT TO THE BREAKWATER DOCK.
FEMA IS VERY SIGNIFICANT AND PARTICULAR ON THAT EACH EACH SCOPE OF WORK PERTAINS TO A SINGLE STORM.
SO WE HAD TO BE VERY CREATIVE IN HOW WE SOLICITED THAT BID SINCE THAT FOR THE BID ALSO INCLUDED HARDENING OR HARDENING OPTIONS, AND A COUPLE OF OPTIONS WERE APPROVED BY STAFF AND INCLUDED IN OUR REQUEST.
SO BEFORE YOU TODAY, WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR YOU UTILIZING $303 MILLION FROM THE MARINA RESERVES, FOLLOWED BY A LITTLE OVER 564,000 OUT OF THE UTILITY RESERVES TO PAY FOR BOTH THE HARDENING AND THE REPAIRS TO THE BREAKWATER DOCK.
ALL RIGHT. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? A QUICK QUESTION.
AND BY USING OUR FUNDS NOW, WE COULD BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR FEMA FUNDS REIMBURSEMENT, RIGHT?
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YES, MA'AM. SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS, IS WE'RE IN PROCESS OF WORKING WITH FEMA, WITH HURRICANE IAN, AND WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS TO EXECUTE A GRANT CONTRACT THERE.AS OF TOMORROW AFTERNOON, WE HAVE OUR FIRST EXPLORATORY CALL WITH FEMA REGARDING HURRICANE NICOLE.
BOTH OF THOSE WE INTEND TO REPLENISH.
ANY FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM FEMA WOULD GO RIGHT BACK TO THOSE RESERVE FUNDS.
THANKS. MR. REGAN, DID YOU HAVE COMMENT? THIS. I WAS GOING TO COVER WHAT COMMISSIONER BONDER ASKED ABOUT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I ATTENDED THE THE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT SOCIAL LAST WEEK AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK TO THANK OUR REPRESENTATIVES THERE, IN PARTICULAR MR. BLOW, FOR HIS HELP IN GETTING SECURING THAT FUNDING.
WE HAVE GREAT PARTNERS WITH BOTH PORT AND FUND.
SO IF THERE IS ANY WORRY ABOUT PAYING BACK OR BORROWING FROM THESE FUNDS, I FEEL LIKE WE DO AS A CITY HAVE A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD OF PAYING OURSELVES BACK.
WE HAD THE SAME THING, SIMILAR HAPPEN IN AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW.
AND WAS IT MATTHEW AND ERNIE? YES, MA'AM. BOTH MATTHEW AND IRMA.
RIGHT. AND SO BUT WE WERE ABLE TO SINCE THE ENTERPRISE FUND OF THE MARINA IS QUITE.
I'LL SAY THAT IT WAS THE FUNDS WERE ABLE TO BE REPAID IN A FAIRLY SHORT WINDOW, AS I RECALL.
DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS? MAYBE THREE. FOUR? NOT VERY LONG.
I THINK OF THEM WHENEVER WE HAVE WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL A SMALL NEED.
THIS LIKE 500,000 IN THE SCALE OF THE MARINA WOULD BE A RELATIVELY SMALL NEED.
RIGHT. AND AND SO IT JUST MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD.
AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY GOOD AT EITHER REPAYING AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT THIS WORKS REALLY WELL.
WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE ARE SO STRONG ACROSS THE BOARD IN OUR FUNDS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT REASSURANCE.
AND ALSO YOU MIGHT WANT TO INTRODUCE ERIC, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE MARINA ITSELF AND AND ARGUABLY SHOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF CREDIT FOR THE SOUND FINANCIAL OPERATION IN THE MARINA.
HEY, ERIC MALDEN, HARBOR MASTER CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THE DOCK DID HOLD TOGETHER THROUGH BOTH STORMS. THE PILINGS WERE THE MAIN ITEM THAT WAS COMPROMISED.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
YEAH, RIGHT. AS LONG AS PART OF THE MARINE ITSELF.
AND JUST PLEASE LET YOU PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS AS WELL.
ON YOUR LOSS OF YOUR COLLEAGUE.
SO DO WE HEAR DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS OR IS THIS A DISCUSSION? WOULD YOU LIKE THIS TO BE FORMALIZED AND A MOTION? WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT THEN.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? NOT TO BE A STICK IN THE MUD, BUT WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THIS WILL ACTUALLY COME IN AT WHAT'S QUOTED AND NOT HAVE CHANGE ORDERS ALONG THE WAY? BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE CHANGE ORDERS COULD BE HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND.
THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE ACTUALLY INSTALLED THE BREAKWATER.
SO THEY'RE THE ORIGINATORS OF IT.
SO YOU HAVE YOU'RE CONFIDENT? WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT.
AND WE'RE WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THE PLEASED WITH THE WORK THAT THEY DO AND THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR US.
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OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.WONDERFUL. WAS THAT A MOTION? I'M YES, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
YES. NANCY SIKES-KLINE? YES. LET IT BE KNOWN THAT WE TAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY VERY SERIOUSLY.
[10.B. First quarter 2022-2023 public works and utilities update. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works and T. Grant, Director Utilities)]
SO WE HAVE SO MANY GOOD THINGS GOING ON AND.I KNOW Y'ALL ARE WORKING SUPER HARD.
NO, I REALLY, TRULY AM EXCITED.
THIS IS THE BEST PART OF WHAT WE DO IN SO MANY WAYS.
REUBEN FRANKLIN PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR MR. GRANT. THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR WILL BE EVERY QUARTER.
WE PUT THIS REPORT TOGETHER AND WE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
SOMETIMES IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR FORMAL PRESENTATION FOR OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS, MR. SPRINGFIELD AND MRS. CYNTHIA GARRIS.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. FOR THE AND QUARTERLY UPDATE.
TYPICALLY, WE LIKE TO GIVE OUTLINES OF ACTIVE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, SUMMARIES OF THEM.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH OUR RESILIENCY PROGRAM UPDATES, OUR FEMA 13, WHICH IS OUR 13 LIFT STATIONS, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT REHABILITATION, WEST THIRD STREET GRAVITY, SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, WEST AUGUSTINE GRAVITY, SEWER IMPROVEMENT UPDATES AND OVERVIEW OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS PROGRAM.
THEN I'M GOING TO HAND IT OFF TO MR. GRANT FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL UPDATES.
BRIEF TOUCH ON OUR FPL LIGHT CONVERSION MOBILITY PROGRAM AND THEN QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.
OUR RESILIENCY PROGRAM HEADED UP BY OUR CHIEF RESILIENCY OFFICER, MS..
I'LL GIVE YOU UPDATES ON THAT.
BUT THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE APPROACH THE PROGRAM.
PLANNING WISE. WE HAVE TWO BIG PLANNING STUDIES GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
ONE IS A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE STATE.
AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS CHECK ALL OF THE STATE REQUIREMENT BOXES FOR THAT'S REQUIRED FOR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, AND THAT WILL LEAD US TO FUTURE FUNDING THROUGH FLORIDA RESILIENT PROGRAM.
THE OTHER IS WE JUST SIGNED AND EXECUTED THE AGREEMENT FOR THE BACK BAY STUDY WITH THE ARMY CORPS.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD OUR FIRST PROGRESS MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING THEM MONTHLY WITH THE ARMY CORPS AND STAKEHOLDERS.
AND THEN THEN THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT.
FOUR PROGRAMS. WE'RE STILL MOVING THROUGH THE FLOOD MITIGATION ASSISTANT, THE FMA PROGRAM.
WE HAD OVER 80 PROPERTIES INTERESTED.
WE'VE JUST RECENTLY SUBMITTED 62 APPLICATIONS.
I BELIEVE IT'S A TOTAL VALUE OF OF JUST OVER $12 MILLION FOR ALL APPLICATIONS.
SO IT'S A VERY THOROUGH PROCESS AND LONG PROCESS.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE ANTICIPATING HEARING SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE APPLICATIONS UNTIL AUGUST.
WE HAVE TO HELP INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS RAISE THEIR HOMES.
AS FAR AS PROJECTS GO, I TOUCHED ON FEMA 13.
[02:35:05]
WE ALSO HAVE THE LAKE MARIA SANCHEZ FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECT, THE AVENIDA MENENDEZ FLOOD BARRIER PROJECT.THIS ONE IS MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE IN PHASE TWO, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF THE TOTAL INVESTMENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR RESILIENCY.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT ALMOST $70 MILLION IN TOTAL INVESTMENTS.
SOME OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AS PROJECTS, BUT THIS IS A REALLY NICE SLIDE THAT JUST SHOWS YOU WHERE WE'VE GOT PROJECTS DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND HAS A NICE LIST. THE ONE THAT WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT ON IS INLET DRIVE.
SHORELINE RESILIENCY IMPROVEMENTS IS A PROJECT HERE.
IT'S FUNDED AT $711,000 FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TO HARDEN THAT SHORELINE.
THIS IS OUR 13 OF OUR OLDEST LIFT STATIONS THAT WERE DAMAGED IN HURRICANE MATTHEW.
WE ARE COMING TO PROJECT COMPLETION THIS FEBRUARY.
THIS $13.8 MILLION PROJECT IS COMING TO AN END AND IT'S ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.
HALLELUJAH. THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ACTIVE PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON.
IT'S BEHIND THE FENCE. IT'S AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE LOAN MONIES THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED.
SO THIS IS BEING COMPLETELY REHABILITATED.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING AUGUST 23 TO BE COMPLETED.
WEST THIRD STREET SEWER EXTENSION.
THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR NEXT GRAVITY SEWER EXPANSION PROJECT.
IT DOES INCLUDE A WATER MAIN IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
THIS IS IN THE BIDDING PROCESS.
SO WE HAVE IT ON THE STREET AND WE'LL BE SELECTING A CONTRACTOR.
THIS WILL APPROXIMATELY CONNECT 26 HOMES TO SEWER THAT ARE ON SEPTIC RIGHT NOW.
THESE ARE KIND OF THE BIGGER PICTURE ITEMS WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE WEST AUGUSTINE AREA.
WE ARE COMPLETING THE SEWER MASTER PLAN, SO THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US A ROAD MAP TO ALL THE OTHER AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN GO HOPEFULLY ASK FOR GRANT MONIES TO HELP IMPLEMENT.
SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHT PROJECTS.
BUT THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF EVERYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAS GOING ON.
WE HAVE A BROKEN DOWN IN COLUMNS BY WHERE THEY'RE AT AND THEIR PROJECT PHASE OR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN IF YOU EVER FLIP TO THE BACK OF YOUR APPENDIX, WE HAVE PROJECT INFORMATION SHEETS.
SO WE'RE TRACKING GOOD ACROSS THIS THAT A MAY OR MAY I ASK A QUESTION? OH, SURE. THAT APPENDIX AND THESE SUMMARIES ARE ALL FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, RIGHT? CITY'S WEBSITE. BUT TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE THIS, WE GET WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND THEN PUSH OUT A LINK TO TO THIS UPDATED.
WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TRACKING THROUGH HERE.
WE HAVE HAD SOME GOOD PROGRESS WITH MARIA SANCHEZ, THE FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECT.
SO THERE'LL BE NEWS COMING SOON ON THAT FRONT.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR.
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GRANT. THANK YOU, RUBEN.TODD GRANT, UTILITIES DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PACKED HOUSE, IT IS A POPULAR PART OF OUR PRESENTATION.
SO JASON BACK THERE, THOUGH, HE'S FAITHFUL ONE, A STALWART.
YES. I DON'T THINK HE'S MISSED A MEETING YET.
THIS CAME OUT OF LET ME BACK UP ANOTHER QUICK SECOND FOR THE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS.
SO YOU MIGHT BE ASKING YOURSELF, RUBEN JUST WENT THROUGH A WHOLE LOT OF WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS.
WHY ISN'T THE UTILITY DIRECTOR DOING THAT? SO THOSE PROJECTS, WHEN THEY ARE PLANNED AND ENGINEERED AND CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTED, GO THROUGH ENGINEERING, WHICH IS IN RUBEN'S DIVISION.
AND ONCE THOSE ARE DEDICATED OVER IN OPERATION FOR THIS CITY.
SO THIS INITIATIVE CAME OUT OF MATTHEW AND IRMA WHEN WE LOST A LOT OF TREE CANOPY.
THE THOUGHT WAS, HOW CAN WE REPLACE IT? AND THE PROBLEM WE HAD WAS LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WORKING WITH ISABEL LOPEZ, SHE CAME UP WITH A GREAT DOCUMENT IN ORDER TO HELP US ALLOW FOR PRIVATE PLANTING OF TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WITH EVERYTHING WE DO, WE WENT GUNG HO AND REALIZED IN THE FIRST YEAR THAT TRYING TO PLANT 85 TREES WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
SO WE PARED IT DOWN THIS YEAR.
SO WITH JV MILLER AND MARK HARTLEY, THEY THEY GO OUT AND DO THE SITE VISITS.
THIS YEAR WE WILL HAVE PLANTED 31 TREES.
SO WE HAVE STARTED TO REALLY GET A LOT OF TRACTION WITH OUR RECYCLING EVENTS.
WE WE USUALLY HAVE ONE AROUND EARTH DAY AND THEN WE JUST RECENTLY HAD ANOTHER ONE IN NOVEMBER.
AND ONE EVEN MORE RECENT IN IN JANUARY.
THE JANUARY IS MORE FOCUSED ON ELECTRONICS AND COOKING OIL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAD OVER 45 GALLONS OF USED COOKING OIL, WHICH THIS NORMALLY COULD BE.
MANY PEOPLE MIGHT JUST PUT DOWN THE DRAIN, WHICH I'LL GET TO.
WE HAVE FOUND EVERY YEAR THAT PARTICIPATION IN OUR TWO ANNUAL EVENTS THAT HAS PAPER SHREDDING, ELECTRONICS AND USE COOKING OIL, WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE PARTICIPANTS ARE OUR ELECTRONIC DISPOSAL.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY COME FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
I MEAN, WE DON'T LIMIT IT JUST TO SHOW US YOUR ID, A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK AND THEY CAN SEE UP IN THE CORNER THERE, I'VE GOT THE NICE GLASS RECYCLING COMING SOON. SO WE HAVE THE FOUR DUMPSTERS IN PLACE.
THE THING THAT WE WERE LACKING WAS THE LOCKABLE LIDS.
THE PLASTIC TOPS TO THOSE DUMPSTERS WERE NOT AVAILABLE.
AND WE WILL HAVE THOSE HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, DISTRIBUTE IT OUT WHERE OUR RECYCLING DROP OFF LOCATIONS ARE NOW ONE DOWN AT SOLID WASTE, ONE ON THE ISLAND BY RED COX ROAD, NORTH BY LAS PALMAS.
SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE LOCATIONS.
LAST TIME IT WAS $3 A TON FOR THEM TO PAY US TO HAUL IT UP.
AND SO WE'RE JUST CONFIRMING THAT AND HAVING THE CITY ATTORNEY GO OVER THAT CONTRACT.
NOW FOR THE FUN ONE THINGS YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR, FATTY OILS AND GREASE.
IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT CLOGGED ARTERIES, IT'S NOT AS SEVERE AS HAVING A HEART ATTACK.
BUT WHEN OUR SYSTEM GETS CLOGGED WITH GREASE, IT CREATES SANITARY SEWER OVERFLOWS, WHICH EITHER IF THEY GET INTO OUR STORM DRAINS, GETS INTO OUR WATERWAYS, AND IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN.
[02:45:03]
ANOTHER INSPECTOR TO HELP DISTRIBUTE WORKLOAD TO SOME REALLY POSITIVE IMPACTS WITH THIS PROGRAM BEFORE WE'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF GREASE TRAPS THROUGHOUT OUR SERVICE AREA.THINK OF IT THAT WAY IS JUST NOT RESTAURANTS IN THE CITY.
IT'S WHEREVER WE PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE RESTAURANTS HAS TO BE INSPECTED BY A TEAM OF TWO.
AND SO BEFORE WE WERE FALLING SHORT, WHEN IT WAS ONLY GLASSBORO AND THEN ONLY ONE INSPECTOR.
THE OTHER INSPECTIONS MEANS THAT IT WAS A NEW RESTAURANT OR QUESTIONS ABOUT SIZING.
SO THEY WENT OUT. AND DID WE TERM THAT AN INSPECTION, EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN'T LOOKING AT A GREASE TRAP? THAT'S WHAT THE OTHERS ARE.
SO ILLICIT DISCHARGE DETECTION AND ELIMINATION.
AND SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE DOING DURING ESPECIALLY DURING GREASE INSPECTIONS IS WHILE WE HAVE THAT BUSINESS OWNER, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE PACKET ON RECYCLING, ILLICIT DISCHARGE, CROSS CONNECTION, AND THAT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED AS FAR AS A VERY GOOD EDUCATIONAL TOOL AS YOU GET.
WHAT IS CROSS CONNECTION YOU DON'T WANT EITHER.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE YOUR IRRIGATION HOOKED TO YOUR WATER SUPPLY AND OR SEWER OR A COMBINED SYSTEM.
SO THAT WAY IF THERE'S A DROP IN PRESSURE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE CONTAMINANTS GOING BACK INTO OUR OUR WATER MAIN AND OUR SYSTEM AND POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATING THE WATER SYSTEM.
AND SO ON OUR CROSS CONNECTION.
IT'S ALSO PART OF OUR BACKFLOW PREVENTION.
AND SO AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE 2091 ACCOUNTS THAT EVERY YEAR THEY HAVE TO HAVE ANNUAL TEST REPORTS.
WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT TRACKS US.
SO THEY'RE TAKING THEY LAURA ARNOTT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN RELIEVING SOME OF THE STRESS ON JESSICA BEACH, WHO WAS LITERALLY DROWNING IN HER OWN HER OWN WORK.
SO THE COSA FEEL HAS FINISHED THEIR LED LIGHT REPLACEMENT.
I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE REQUESTED SHROUDS AND MARCUS PINSON IS ACTIVELY WORKING WITH FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT TO GET THOSE INSTALLED.
I KNOW THAT I DON'T THINK ANY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED SINCE THE PROGRAM.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH FPL TO TRY TO GET THAT ALLEVIATED IF WE CAN.
DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE BLUE LIGHT PROBLEM IN THE CITY WITH THE LIGHTS? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TURNING THE PURPLISH COLOR.
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? I THINK THEY WERE DEFECTIVE LIGHTS TO BEGIN WITH.
THERE WAS SOMETHING RECENTLY ON A NEWS FEED THAT I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM WAS.
I MEAN, SOCIAL MEDIA WILL START RUMORS LIKE WILDFIRE.
I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN. I JUST THINK IT'S A DEFECTIVE LIGHT.
JUST A DEFECTIVE LIGHT, RIGHT.
I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THEM CATCHING FIRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CITY THAT HAS GONE PURPLE ON US.
I KNOW THE I-4 CORRIDOR IS ONE THAT'S BEEN HIGHLIGHTED.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY TO DATE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, BUT IT IS AN ISSUE.
MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BEACH.
ALL OF OUR LIGHTS ARE GLOWING, PURPLISH BLUE RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK IT'S A DEFECTIVE LIGHT.
THE DIODE OR SOMETHING IN IT IS IS FAILING AND IT'S A MANUFACTURER ISSUE.
SO FEEL IS WELL AWARE OF IT, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD.
I'VE SEEN IT MORE IN THE STREET HEADLIGHTS, BUT OURS ARE RELATIVELY NEW.
TODD. TODD. I HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU, TOO.
SORRY. NOT GOING TO GET THE WAY THAT HE'S GOT TO WAIT IN IT.
[02:50:01]
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HAS BEEN REALLY SLOW TO RESPOND TO THE COMPLAINTS FROM FROM OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE GLARE EMANATING FROM SOME OF THESE NEW LIGHTS.AND IT'S REALLY PRETTY ROUGH ON THESE PEOPLE.
WHEN I KNOW SOME INDIVIDUALS, WHEN IT WAS A HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM LIGHT.
WE HAD ALREADY INSTALLED A SHROUD JUST BECAUSE IT WAS BRIGHT AS WELL.
AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT WOULD REPLACE LIKE FOR LIKE LED WITH A SHROUD.
AND SO I'LL MAKE SURE BY THE NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT THAT IT'S MORE FAVORABLE.
I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I KNOW THEY WILL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU. RIGHT.
OK ONTO THE MOBILITY SECTION OF THE REPORT.
WE DID SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE OUR 2022 KNIGHTS OF LIGHT SHUTTLING.
THIS IS JUST A CHART, JUST SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE.
BUT WE DO TRACK SINCE WE STARTED IN 2016, THE PASSENGER RIDERSHIP.
WE DO IT FOR KNIGHTS OF LIGHT'S IN THE SPRING.
THE 2022 TOTALS FELL JUST BELOW OR JUST ABOVE OUR 2018 TOTALS.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE OVER HERE ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN DOWN HERE AND WHERE WE TOTAL IT UP.
OUR BUSIEST YEAR WAS 2019, WHERE WE HAD JUST OVER 19,000 PASSENGERS.
BUT WE HAVE GENERALLY GOTTEN GOOD FEEDBACK WITH THIS SERVICE.
AND YOU CAN SEE OUR LOT LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE RUNNING THEM FROM.
WE WERE HOPING TO LAUNCH THE CIRCULATOR IN OCTOBER, BUT WE DID HAVE PAPERWORK AND REPORTS THAT WE HAD TO SUBMIT TO DOT SAFETY PLAN, A SECURITY PLAN, AND A TITLE SIX PLAN.
TO 10:00 PM DAILY AND BE FREE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS ON HERE IS THIS CIRCULATOR ROUTE.
IF THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS ADA ASSISTANCE WITHIN THREE, FOUR MILES OF THIS, THEY CAN CALL 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE AND SCHEDULE, PICK UP, DROP OFF WITHIN A34 MILE AREA OF THIS ROUTE.
BUT THIS IS WHAT THE SHUTTLE'S LOOKS LIKE.
WE WENT WITH STAR, THE SAINT AUGUSTINE RIDER AS THE NAME, AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK THE QR CODE AT THE STOPS TO GET INFORMATION. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED AND WE'RE HOPING TO HOLD A LITTLE RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY FOR THE INAUGURAL RIDE ON THE 16TH.
WE ALSO COMPLETED A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT ASSESSMENT UTILIZING A RELATIVELY NEW COMPANY, ROBOTICS.
THIS WAS LITERALLY TAKING A CELLULAR PHONE WITH A VIDEO CAMERA AND DRIVING EVERY ROAD IN THE CITY.
AND THEN THEY USE AN AI ALGORITHM TO COME UP WITH THE ROAD CONDITION INDEX RANKING ONE THROUGH FIVE.
SO THIS IMAGE YOU SEE HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF ONE BEING THE BEST, FIVE BEING THE WORST.
THE CITIES OVERALL NETWORK CAME IN AT OF 1.86.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL TAKE THAT AND GET CLOSER TO A ONE THEN THAN WHERE WE'RE AT AT A TWO RIGHT NOW.
BUT THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM OF WHAT EACH LEVEL MEANS.
WE DID BETTER THAN MOST CITIES.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF LEVERAGING TECHNOLOGY.
THIS WAS COST THE CITY $7,500 SOMETHING.
IF WE HAD DONE YEARS AGO, WE'D BEEN 150 $200,000 EXERCISE.
AND IT'S MEANT TO. IT'S MEANT TO.
KEEP DOING SO. YOU KEEP UPDATING THE CATALOG AS YOU RUN THE CITY STREETS.
AND I HAD AN EXAMPLE, BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW.
[02:55:03]
IT TOOK A PHOTO EVERY TEN FEET, SO IT SHOWS YOU THE ACTUAL STREET SEGMENT.I'M SURE THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE RED STREETS RIGHT THERE.
OLD DIXIE. THAT ONE WAS NOT AS THE WORST STREET.
HERE WAS RIBERIA STREET BETWEEN BY THE EVENTS FIELD.
BUT, YEAH, OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY WAS A YELLOW.
AND THESE ARE THE UPCOMING ROADS THAT WE DO PLAN TO RESURFACE THIS YEAR WITH THIS BUDGET MONIES.
SO WE ARE FINISHING OUT SOME AREAS IN THE RAVENSWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, NORTH WHITNEY, FLORIDA AVENUE.
WE ARE GOING TO GET RIBERIA STREET.
AND AS I SAID, THE NEXT ROUND I'M GOING TO HAVE AN ACTUAL FIVE YEAR WORK PROGRAM BASED ON THIS DATA.
WITH THAT. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THOUGH.
I HAVE TWO UPDATES. I'M SORRY.
THIS WAS THERE WAS AN EMAIL FROM MR. BATES OF BRUCE BATES ABOUT THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AT RED COX ROAD AND ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.
HE WAS THANKFUL FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE OUT THERE, THEY'VE INSTALLED LED REFLECTORS.
THAT KIND OF LIGHT UP THAT CURVE THERE, A PRETTY NEAT SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
BUT HE DID RAISE ISSUE WITH THE SITE DISTANCE AND LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT TO 30 MILES PER HOUR.
SO WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH FDOT.
AND THEN I FORGOT ONE STATE LEGISLATIVE ASSET THAT'S OUT THERE, AS WE DO HAVE AN ASK FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT HOMES BOULEVARD $2.3 MILLION ASK FOR UTILITY CONNECTIONS.
SO. I SPOKE TO FDOT TODAY TOO, AND ASKED THEM ABOUT REDUCING SPEED BECAUSE AT ONE TIME I BELIEVE IT WAS THE EARLY I'M THINKING IT WAS THE MID TO LATE EIGHTIES, IT WAS 30 MILES ALL THE WAY TO THE CURVE AND THEY RAISED THE SPEED LIMIT TO 40, I GUESS FROM HOW WHAT, THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS HITS 40 RIGHT.
YEAH. IT GOES FROM THAT 30 TO 40 MILES AN HOUR AND THEN 40 ALL THE WAY TO STATE ROAD 312.
SO BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DELIVER THE BAD NEWS? AND THE LAST THING WAS THE PEDESTRIAN.
WE THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK AT ZORAIDA DOT HAS HIRED A CONTRACTOR TO INSTALL THAT.
WE WERE HOPING IT WOULD START IN JANUARY.
BUT THE CONTRACTOR HAS SUPPLY ISSUES.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT AUGUST TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT ON SITE TO DO THE INSTALL.
THE STATE DID REACH OUT WITH SOME IDEA INTERMITTENT IDEAS TO HELP SAFE THAT UP WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE CABINETS AND THE MAST ARMS AND STUFF TO TO SHOW UP. RIGHT. THAT WAS WHAT PRECIPITATED MY CONVERSATION TODAY WITH THE DOT WITH SECRETARY GREG EVANS.
AND SO WE'RE VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT THIS HAS BEEN DELAYED UNTIL AUGUST BECAUSE OF THE NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS AND DEATHS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER.
SO I'VE ASKED THE DOT TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, DIG A LITTLE DEEPER, AND WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THE INTERIM THAT IT'S JUST VERY, VERY DEEPLY DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR THAT IT'S GONE, ALTHOUGH IT'S BEYOND THEIR CONTROL, BUT IT'S GONE TO AUGUST.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR SOME GOOD SOLUTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
I DON'T WANT TO COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO GO OUT AND BE EMPTY HANDED WHEN THEY HAVE TO SAY TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER DELAY, WHICH MEAN COULD BE MORE LOSS OF LIFE. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK MAYBE WE COULD MAYBE CONSIDER IN-HOUSE IS WHAT CAN WE DO? IS THERE ANYTHING PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN THAT WE CAN DO SHORT OF THE DOT? WE KNOW THAT THE DOT HAS SO MANY PARAMETERS WHEN IT COMES TO EVEN DOING SOMETHING IS WHAT WE THINK MIGHT BE SIMPLE AS CHANGING A SPEED LIMIT.
BUT THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF STUDIES AND PARAMETERS AND COULD EXPLAIN IT BETTER HIMSELF.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE SOME POTENTIALLY JUST AN AWARENESS CAMPAIGN.
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I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.I WHEN I LEFT HERE TWO WEEKS AGO FOR OUR LAST MEETING, I WAS DRIVING HOME ALONG THE BAY FRONT ON AVENIDA MENENDEZ AND TWO INDIVIDUALS DRESSED IN BLACK, LITERALLY JUST CHARGED OUT IN FRONT OF ME ON FOOT, AND I HAD TO HIT MY BRAKES.
AND THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
BUT A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN FOR BOTH DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS, I THINK IS NOT JUST PEDESTRIANS, ANYBODY MOVING AROUND ON FOOT OR BIKE WHEELS OR WHATEVER.
IT'S I'VE SEEN A LOT MORE OF IT THAN I USED TO SEE.
WE DID DO A CAMPAIGN OR FOR CYCLING A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
AND I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE THE TPO COULD HELP US.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY.
SO WITH THAT, BELABORING THAT, LET'S MOVE ON AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK.
ON CAN I, CAN I ADDRESS SOME QUESTIONS NOW ABOUT THE OVERALL REPORT? A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. OH PLEASE.
AND IT'LL BE BOTH TODD AND RUBEN TO START WITH.
AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LENGTHY.
I JUST FEEL OKAY BECAUSE IT'S LATE.
ARE WE GOING TO REDO THAT? MR. GRANT. QUESTION I KNOW WHILE HE'S COMING UP, I NOTE THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE RESILIENCY THAT WE ARE COORDINATING WITH ST JOHN'S COUNTY ON SOME OF OUR RESILIENCE PLANNING.
BRIEFLY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, WE THAT'S WHAT USED THE SAME CONSULTANT AS THE COUNTY.
PERFECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENT ABOUT WHY WE AREN'T DOING THAT AND NOT US IN PARTICULAR, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TOGETHER MORE OFTEN TO THAT END.
VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
YEAH, WE ARE DEFERRING THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
WE FEEL THAT A LOT OF THAT CAN BE TACKLED WITH THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT.
ALL RIGHT. AND SO WHAT I GUESS I'M I'M JUST GOING TO REMIND THAT EVERYONE THAT THE IPCC REPORT THAT JUST CAME OUT LAST FALL, YOU ITERATED TO ME THAT YOU WENT TO THE FIND PRESENTATION AND THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS GIVING THAT GREAT PRESENTATION POINTED TO THAT REPORT AS THE ONE WE SHOULD BE USING.
SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.
YES, THAT'S GREAT. IS THE RESOURCE, THAT GOLD STANDARD.
INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND THEN LASTLY, IT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLY ON WAS MENTIONING THE THE BACK BAY STUDY AND $3 MILLION AND THAT TAKES A LONG TIME WE HAVE $70 MILLION.
AND I KEEP HEARING PEOPLE SAY WE'RE DOING THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH.
WELL WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT BEFORE I EVER GOT ON THE COMMISSION AND WE'RE CONTINUING THAT.
THE STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT AND I REALLY HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL GO TO THE WEBSITE AND LOOK AT THE INFORMATION THAT'S THERE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, BECAUSE $70 MILLION IS NOT A DROP IN THE BUCKET AND WE'RE GETTING MOST OF THAT.
I THINK, IF I'M QUOTING CORRECTLY, IT MIGHT BE, I THINK, AROUND 83.
AND COMPOSTING AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET.
YES. SO LAST YEAR WE GAVE OUT CLOSE TO 100 COMPOST BINS.
RIGHT. AND THE FEEDBACK'S BEEN GREAT.
I HAVE PRISCILLA, WHO'S DOWN IN THE SOLID WASTE.
IF THERE'S BEEN ANY PROBLEMS THAT WE KNOW WHETHER TO ORDER THOSE AGAIN OR NOT OR THOSE AGAIN.
SO AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE SOLID WASTE FUND ITSELF, WE'RE TRYING TO REPLENISH RESERVES.
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WE'VE TAKEN OUT LOANS FROM THE UTILITY FUND TO GET NEW EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS MOVING ALONG.AND SO BASICALLY, IN MARCH, APRIL, ONCE WE HAVE OUR MIDYEAR ANALYSIS OF REVENUES, EVEN THOUGH THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM'S REALLY QUITE INEXPENSIVE, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL EVALUATE JUST THE NUMBER THAT WE'LL RELEASE AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
AGAIN, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ORDER THEM, ASSEMBLE THEM AND DELIVER THEM.
GREAT. I WANTED I WANTED TO BE SURE WE WERE REPEATING IT IF WE POSSIBLY COULD.
THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'S SOLD OUT IN LESS THAN AN HOUR.
I KNOW. AND IT'S REDUCED OUR TIPPING FEES.
I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ANIMAL.
SO. YEAH, I KNOW. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO GET DATA AROUND THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A WIN WIN RATE.
SO WE'RE AT ABOUT $155 A TONNE FOR RECYCLING.
I HAVE A REAL GOOD FRIEND WHO LIVES ON FIFTH STREET.
AND YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY DONE THE SEWER ON FIFTH STREET AND REMOVED THE SEPTIC.
MADE A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE THERE.
I'M SO GLAD THAT THIRD STREET'S IN THE NEXT THING.
AND I ALSO HAVE A GOOD FRIEND. LIVES ON NORTH WHITNEY, WHO'S BEEN HELPING ME ABOUT PAVING.
SO I'M TAKING FULL CREDIT FOR THAT BEING PAID.
BUT THE NEXT CONCERN IS THAT ROAD IS SELF-REGULATED BY POTHOLES.
AND THE SPEED IS GOING TO BE INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY AND THEY'RE COMING OUT OF.
CRUICKSHANK AND I'M JUST A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE SPEEDS.
I HOPE WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT STREET ONCE IT GETS PAVED THROUGH THE MAYOR.
SO, COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD, WE HAVE A FORMAL SPEED BUMP, A SPEED HUMP POLICY.
OKAY, GREAT. AND THE LAST ONE IS THE GLASS.
I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE BRINGING SOME OPTIONS.
I KNOW SOME SOME AREAS ARE DOING THAT.
YEAH, ACTUALLY, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T THINK MR. GRANT QUITE EXPLAINED WHERE WHERE THE GLASS WILL GO.
WILL BE DIRECTLY TO A ANCHOR GLASS CORPORATION.
SO IMMEDIATELY RECYCLED INTO MAKING GLASS.
THE KEY ON GLASS RECYCLING IS GETTING IT TO AN OUTLET THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLING IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE RECYCLING PROCESSES IS TO REUSE GLASS.
YEAH. WELL, SO TO TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE CRUSHER, SO FLAGLER BEACH.
FLAGLER BEACH AND FLAGLER COUNTY.
CORRECT. COAST INITIATED THEIR OWN CRUSHER.
SO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY COLLECT THEIR OWN.
SO THE QUESTION COMES WHERE DO WE STORE? YOU CAN YOU CAN PULVERIZE IT DOWN TO A SAND SIZE.
SO LUCKILY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD HURRICANES FIVE YEARS AGO THIS TIME.
SO. SO IF I CONTINUE TO CRUSH GLASS TO SAND SIZE, WHERE AM I GOING TO STORE THIS MOUNTAIN OF SAND WITHOUT ANOTHER OUTLET, WHICH ALSO THEN COSTS MONEY TO POWER STORE LABOR? SO CURRENTLY, IF I'M GOING TO BE PAID $3 A TON AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME PICK IT UP, IT'S BETTER THAN ZERO AND IT'S AN EASIER.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO START WITH IDEALLY GETTING COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN.
GLASS RECYCLING WOULD PROBABLY BE A BIGGER BANG FOR OUR BUCK, RIGHT? AND THEN FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSION IS SAYING, DO WE FOREGO YARD WASTE COLLECTIONS ON CERTAIN DAYS AND MAKE THOSE GLASS RECYCLING PICK UP DAYS? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO ADD ANOTHER DAY OF SERVICE OR EQUIPMENT OR A SORT.
YOU CAN'T SORT IT EITHER, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT SORTING THE RECYCLING NOW.
SO IF WE COMBINE WITH GLASS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SORT IT OUT FOR OUR PROVIDER TO CORRECT.
THEY JUST THOUGHT, WELL, THANK YOU.
REALLY NEEDS TO BE VETTED OUT.
ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO WALK TO THE BACK JUST SO YOU HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR ME.
ALL RIGHT. IT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD, WORTHWHILE EXCHANGE.
AND I'M SURE THAT YOU CAN TALK MORE AS MORE IDEAS SURFACE.
ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? WE ALL HAVE. WE ALL GREAT WORK.
[03:10:02]
YOU ALL? YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS EXCITING.SO ON TO ITEMS BY CITY ATTORNEY.
OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. ITEMS BY CITY CLERK.
[12.A. Notification of one term expiration on Historic Architectural Review Board. (D. Galambos, City Clerk)]
GOOD EVENING. I JUST HAVE TWO BRIEF ITEMS. THIS IS JUST PRELIMINARY.PRELIMINARY NOTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE UPCOMING TERM EXPIRATIONS ON TWO OF OUR BOARDS.
ONE IS THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
THE TERM IS CURRENTLY BEING HELD BY PAUL WEAVER.
HE HAS SERVED TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS, SO HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
SO WE WILL BE SEEKING A NEW MEMBER FOR THAT BOARD.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS FOR OUR CORRIDOR REVIEW COMMITTEE.
[12.B. Notification of two term expirations on the Corridor Review Committee. (D. Galambos, City Clerk)]
WE HAVE TWO CURRENT MEMBERS WHOSE TERMS ARE EXPIRING, MICHAEL DIXON AND VAUGHN COCHRAN.BOTH ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT SHOULD THEY SO CHOOSE TO REAPPLY.
AND THIS JUST STARTS THE PROCESS FOR ADVERTISING AND GETTING APPLICATIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH ON THIS BY MR. CITY MANAGER. I HAVE NO ITEMS, OKAY, ITEMS BY MAYORS AND COMMISSIONERS.
[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS]
I WILL START.I AM WALKING ON THIS NOMINATION NOMINATION FOR THE AVILES AWARD FOR 2023.
I'M A LITTLE TINY BIT OUT OF A CYCLE.
THE REASON THAT I'M TRYING TO WALK, WHAT I WANT TO DO TO WALK THIS ON IS THIS NOMINATION ON IS TO TRY AND STAY IN THE FEBRUARY CYCLE.
SO WHEN I'M REQUESTING FOR YOU TO DO IS TO ACCEPT THIS NOMINATION FOR MR. PAUL WEAVER FOR THE DIABETES AWARD FOR THIS YEAR, AND SO THAT WE CAN PLACE THIS NOMINATION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 13TH FOR CONFIRMATION AND SELECTION.
SO WE'LL BE DOING CONFIRMATION AND SELECTION AT THE SAME TIME.
I'M. AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY AND MEET THE FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING FOR THE AWARD.
SO I'M FULLY SUPPORT THOUGH, ASKING KIND OF JUST BROACHING THE SUBJECT WITH YOU.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED EMOTION AS FAR AS.
SO THE NOMINATION IS ACCEPTED.
OFFER FOR COMMISSIONER'S CONSENT.
YES. I'M SORRY FOR COMMISSIONER SPRINGFIELD AND COMMISSIONER GARRETT.
SO WHEN I SAY I SEE FOUR CONCURRING COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S HELPING JUST TO BUILD THE RECORD.
HUH? I WOULD LIKE TO BE SURE THAT WE GET SOME KIND OF ESTABLISHED SCHEDULE FOR THE $15,000 THAT WE BUDGETED.
FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL NEIGHBORHOOD GRANT PROGRAM HAD A DISCUSSION TODAY.
FEEL LIKE PERHAPS IT JUST NEEDS TO BE KIND OF RE-UPPED.
I THINK WE'VE GONE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WITHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GRANTS PROGRAM AND THIS IS SORT OF A NEW STAB AT IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO TRY AND GET THAT ON TRACK THIS YEAR.
I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED A POLICY AND.
ON WHAT WHAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR SPENDING CATEGORIES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO AND WHAT THE GRANT AMOUNTS ARE GOING TO BE.
BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE STARTED.
SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I THINK SOMETIMES THE SPRING MAYBE IT'S POSSIBLE IF THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, IT'S MORPHED A COUPLE OF TIMES. I THINK WITH COVID, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT KIND OF GOT LOST IN THE SHUFFLE.
YEAH, THEY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
ALL RIGHT. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO START OVER HERE OR DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT? NO, I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS.
[03:15:07]
CHACE BECAUSE THIS YEAR MAKES 50 YEARS AGO THAT HE BECAME THE FIRST BLACK MALE CITY COMMISSIONER.MAYBE SOME KIND OF PROCLAMATION OR SOMETHING THAT WE DO AWARD OR SOME SORT.
AND ALSO, I WAS APPROACHED BY FORMER COMMISSIONER SANDRA PARKS THAT THIS IS THE 40TH YEAR FOR THE WILLIE GALLOWAY CENTER, AND SHE THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF CEREMONY DOWN THERE.
SO I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE GREAT SUGGESTIONS.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE THEIR FLOWERS WHILE THEY'RE STILL HERE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE COMMENDABLE IF WE CONTACTED HIS FAMILY AND HAD HIM IN HERE NEXT MONTH BECAUSE NEXT MONTH IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND GAVE HIM AN AWARD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I'M NOT SURE IF HE WAS THE FIRST BLACK COMMISSIONER.
HE TOLD ME HE WAS THE FIRST BLACK IN 1973.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THAT I RECALL A BLACK COMMISSIONER BACK.
YES. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE YEARS, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND VERIFY WITH THE HISTORY THAT I HAVE.
YES. OH, IT WAS BACK IN THE 1800S.
SURE, IT WAS DURING RECONSTRUCTION.
YES. YOU KNOW, SOME QUALIFYING STATEMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE A 100 YEAR DIFFERENCE.
BUT HONORING A PAST COMMISSIONER DOESN'T HAVE TO COME WITH ANY SPECIAL TITLE OR WRITE FIRST OR ANYTHING LIKE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SET TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION? I WAS GOING TO THANK YOU.
I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT I INCORPORATE THIS YEAR'S BLACK HISTORY MONTH TO HONOR HIS HIS SERVICE AND HAVE HIM ACCEPT AND YOU AND I CAN TALK OFFLINE TO GET THIS DONE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING IT UP NEXT MONTH BECAUSE IT'LL BE LIKE, OH, THIS IS GREAT TO BRING IT UP.
SO WITH DAVID NOLAN APPROACHED ME ABOUT IT, I THOUGHT IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA.
SUPER AWESOME. MAYBE BECAUSE HE WASN'T BORN IN 1800.
HE DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS IN THE FIRST, THOUGH.
BOY, WE CAN HAVE SOME FUN WITH THAT.
WE HAVE. WE'RE MARKING. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THAT BACK IN THAT ERA.
SO SHE BROUGHT TOTAL RECALL OF THAT.
AND SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY COOL.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
SO WE SHOULD MAYBE HONOR HER AS WELL FOR PUTTING THE MONUMENTS AND THE PLAZA.
SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THAT DONE.
SO WE CAN MENTION SOME MENTION OF HER AT THAT TIME.
I SEE SOME AMAZING FEBRUARY PROGRAMING HAPPENING.
I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SOME NOISE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE THIS YEAR.
VERY GOOD. SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT THAT.
I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL ME THAT WAS JUST KIND OF.
WEIRD. IT WAS, I THINK, THAT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER MEREDITH FREUDENSTEIN WAS LOOKING INTO THAT AND MAYBE WE COULD HEAR.
WAS THERE A RESOLUTION? WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE LOOK AT A FUTURE MEETING WHERE WE SCHEDULE A PRESENTATION ON THIS TOPIC.
IT GETS INVOLVED FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW, AND SO WE CAN PUT IT ON A PRETTY NEAR TERM AGENDA.
IF THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE NEED TO EXPAND BECAUSE OF INCREASED PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AS A RESULT OF NIGHTS OF LIGHTS, IT HAS GOTTEN SO INTENSE DOWNTOWN WITH A PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
SO I HOPE THAT MAYBE SOME JUICE SUGGESTIONS WOULD COME IN ON THAT SCORE.
[03:20:02]
EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH EXPANDING WHAT WE FEEL IS WORKING PRETTY WELL AND HAVEN'T BEEN SUED ON IT YET.IT IS A TRICKY, TRICKY DANCE FOR SURE.
IF THERE ARE VERY FINITE AREAS WHERE THERE'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
BUT BUT UNFORTUNATELY, COMMERCIAL SPEECH IS STILL A TYPE OF PROTECTED SPEECH.
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN SQUARED AWAY.
SO SO WE MAY HAVE SOME RESOLUTION OF SOME AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY PROHIBITED, PROHIBITED VENDOR ZONES, AND IT JUST WASN'T FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHERE THE PARAMETERS OF THAT WERE.
ARE THOSE VENDORS PERMITTED? MY UNDERSTANDING IS ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN CERTAINLY WAS.
THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH A PERMITTED VENDOR WHO WAS PASSING AROUND HIS OR HER TAG.
SO THERE WERE THERE WERE, I'LL CALL IT, TRADITIONAL ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS THAT DON'T REALLY NEED A CHANGE IN THE RULES, JUST MAYBE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE EXISTING RULES.
I HAVE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION.
ONE IS THAT THE KUDOS TO THE MILK EVENT COMMITTEE.
AND THE EVENT COMMITTEE DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
THEY ALSO ADDED A PANEL DISCUSSION THAT WAS JUST REMARKABLY GOOD.
AND THERE WERE, WHAT, A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT WAS COMMISSIONER GEARY.
AND THEN LASTLY, FOR THE STAFF, I KNOW MR. BIRCHIM AND MS. BREIDENSTEIN AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT AN UPDATE OR A WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING ON THE HOLMES BOULEVARD PROPERTY FOR WHAT OUR WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THAT. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AT AN UPCOMING MEETING IS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ALL RIGHT. AND I'M GOING TO PASS OUT THE WHAT I HAD TO ASK FOR WAS THE TASK TRACKING LIST.
SO WE'LL BE GETTING THESE AT EVERY COMMISSION MEETING AND IN THE FUTURE, I APOLOGIZE.
THESE SHOULD BE AT YOUR DESK, AND THIS WILL HELP.
SORRY I HAD THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME AND JUST DIDN'T SUBMIT IT.
SO ANY OTHER ITEMS BY COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.