[1. CALL TO ORDER ]
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GOOD AFTERNOON.MY APOLOGIES FOR GETTING US STARTED A LITTLE BIT LATER.
I'VE HAD A MONDAY ON STEROIDS, BUT I THINK I'M HERE AND HAVE WHAT I NEED.
AND I'M SORRY TO KEEP YOU ALL WAITING.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ST.
AND I WOULD ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT.
IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION.
REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY VICE MAYOR SIKES-KLINE.
IT'S TRULY A GIFT WE GET TO BE HERE AND NOW.
BUT WE KNOW THERE ARE OTHERS THAT LOST ENTIRE BUSINESSES, HOMES AND LIVELIHOODS.
GIVE US THE STRENGTH AND THE COURAGE TO REMEMBER THOSE WHO HAVE SUFFERED AFTER ANOTHER HURRICANE.
AND MIGHT WE BE ABLE TO GIVE HELP AND TO SUPPORT TO THOSE WHO NEED IT? GOD OF ALL, AS WE MEET TODAY TO DISCERN WHAT THE RIGHT STEPS ARE FOR OUR CITY AND TO CELEBRATE SOME EXCITING MOMENTS.
HELP US TO CARE FOR ALL OF YOUR PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY.
MAY EACH PERSON WHO SPEAKS, WHO SPEAKS ATTEMPT TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER BEFORE SPEAKING.
GIVE US EMPATHY AND COMPASSION AS WE SEEK TO SPEAK ABOUT FINANCES, LAND AND DREAMS FOR OUR CITY.
GOD. WE PRAY ALL OF THIS IN YOUR HOLY AND LOVING NAME.
AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.
ALLEGIANCE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLEASE BE SEATED. AND PASTOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORDS.
[2. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS ]
COMMISSIONERS WE'RE ON ITEM 2.IS, ARE THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS OR APPROVAL, MODIFICATIONS OF THE REGULAR AGENDA? I DO HAVE AS WE GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, I AM GOING TO REMOVE ONE ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN WE WILL PLACE THAT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE ALL MODIFICATION.
MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PUBLISHED? I SO MOVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[3.A. 2022-05CR: Certificate of Recognition to the Woman's Exchange of St. Augustine for their community service and work to preserve the Pena-Peck House. (T. Upchurch, Mayor) ]
COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE BEFORE US A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION TO THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE OF ST AUGUSTINE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICE, THEIR STEWARDSHIP, AND THEIR WORK IN PRESERVING AND INTERPRETING THE PENA-PECK HOUSE.AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO READ THAT CERTIFICATE.
IT SAYS, WHEREAS ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 1892, THE WHATSOEVER CIRCLE OF THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER OF THE KINGS DAUGHTERS AND SONS FOUNDED THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE OF ST.
AUGUSTINE TO HELP WOMEN WHO HAD FALLEN ON HARD TIMES GAIN INCOME FROM THEIR HANDCRAFTING SKILLS.
AND WHEREAS, ON THAT SAME DAY, THE KING'S DAUGHTERS WOMEN'S INDUSTRIAL EXCHANGE OPENED IN ROOM 27 OF THE ALCAZAR HOTEL COURTYARD OF SHOPS INVITING INDUSTRIOUS WOMEN TO EXCHANGE, TO CONSIGN ITEMS FOR SALE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
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AND WHEREAS ON MAY 27, 1931, MS. ANNA GARDNER BURKE, A WOMAN EXCHANGE CHARTER MEMBER AND A LONGTIME TREASURE, DIED AND IN HER WILL, DIRECTED THAT HER HOME AT 143 ST.GEORGE STREET "BE MAINTAINED AS AN EXAMPLE OF AN OLD ANTEBELLUM HOMES OF ST.
AUGUSTINE OF THE SOUTH BY THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE." AND, WHEREAS IN RESPONSE TO THE CITY COMMISSION'S JANUARY 27, 1932, VOTE, REJECTING HER BEQUEATH BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF FUTURE PROPERTY TAXES FROM IT, THE WOMAN'S EXCHANGE ON FEBRUARY 9, 1932, OFFERED TO OPEN MS. BURKE'S HOME FOR TOURS AND PARDON WITH THE CITY OF ST.
AND, WHEREAS THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE TODAY IS A FORCE FOR COMMUNITY GOOD BY OFFERING SCHOLARSHIPS FOR WOMEN OVER AGE 30 TO EXPAND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES, A SHOP WHERE ARTISANS SELL THEIR UNIQUE ITEMS ON CONSIGNMENT, THUS ENHANCING THEIR ECONOMIC STABILITY AND CONDUCTING AND CONDUCTING SPECIAL FUNDRAISING FOR SCHOLARSHIPS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF MS. BURKE'S HOME, NOW KNOWN AS THE PENA-PECK HOUSE.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE CITY COMMISSION OF ST AUGUSTINE HEREBY THANKS THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE OF ST AUGUSTINE FOR 130 YEARS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE AND 90 YEARS OF PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE TO PRESERVE THE PENA-PECK HOUSE HOUSE FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT AND ENCOURAGES ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE AND ITS GOOD WORKS.
AND SO WE ARE HONORED HERE TODAY AS THE CITY COMMISSION TO THANK THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE AND WOULD WELCOME ANY REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EXCHANGE TO COME FORWARD SO WE CAN PRESENT THIS CERTIFICATE.
SO LET'S HAVE A FEW WORDS FROM MADAM PRESIDENT.
HI, I'M BECKY COLE, AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ST AUGUSTINE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I BROUGHT A FEW OF MY FRIENDS.
[LAUGHTER] WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
AND I WANT TO THANK MAYOR UPCHURCH AND THE ST.
THE UPCHURCH FAMILY AND THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE HAVE A LONG HISTORY.
MS. ANNA HAD BEEN THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE TREASURER FOR MANY YEARS.
HER HOME WAS LEFT TO THE CITY IN HER WILL, AND THAT'S WHEN SOME MAGIC HAPPENED.
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SOME AUDACIOUS AND VISIONARY WOMEN SUGGESTED TO THE CITY THAT THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE WOULD MOVE THEIR SHOP INTO THE PECK HOUSE AND WOULD BECOME CARETAKERS WHILE MAINTAINING THE HOUSE AS A MUSEUM.AND WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP.
IT MEANS A LOT TO OUR OUR HOUSE AND OUR MEMBERSHIP.
AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO TO HELP US DO THAT, TOO.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU JUST A TINY BIT ABOUT THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE.
THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE MISSION.
AND WE HAVE GIVEN OVER $150,000 IN SCHOLARSHIP MONEY TO WOMEN.
AND WE LOOK FOR THE WOMAN WHO IS OVER 30, PROBABLY A MOTHER, PROBABLY WORKING, AND PROBABLY TRYING TO BE A STUDENT ALL AT THE SAME TIME. AND THOSE WOMEN ARE IN NEED OF JUST A LITTLE ASSISTANCE TO ACHIEVE THEIR DREAM OF A COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO PROVIDE.
WE ALSO SUPPORT HAND CRAFTERS.
IT'S PART OF OUR MISSION, AND OUR SHOP HAS MOSTLY HANDCRAFTED ITEMS BY MOSTLY LOCAL ARTISANS.
[LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU.
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, HERE IS YOUR CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION.
YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME WE HAD MARGO HERE, SHE BROUGHT ALL THE CATHOLIC NUNS.
[LAUGHTER] AND SO TODAY SHE BRINGS THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE.
THANK YOU. MAUREEN BOWLES TELLS ME THAT SHE FOUND IN THE MINUTES OF THE WOMAN'S EXCHANGE THAT MY GRANDMOTHER ARGUED FORCEFULLY FOR INCLUDING MINORQUINES IN THE WOMEN'S EXCHANGE.
SHE WAS A VISIONARY. A VISIONARY.
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WE'RE NOW ON ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING ]
WE WELCOME YOUR COMMENT.WE DO, AS IS OUR PROCEDURE, LIMIT THOSE TO 3 MINUTES.
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
BUT IF I INADVERTENTLY SKIP YOU, PLEASE RAISE A HAND AND I'M DELIGHTED TO RECOGNIZE YOU.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS, PARDON ME, ERIC RYDEN.
THANK YOU HONORABLE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF AND PUBLIC FOR COMING.
IT IS GREAT TO SEE A FANTASTIC TURNOUT FOR SUCH A SMALL COMMUNITY HERE.
JUST BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY. I OWN TWO OTHER PROPERTIES IN ST.
JOHN COUNTY, SO A TOTAL OF THREE.
I HAVE SEVEN OTHER PROPERTIES OWNED BY FAMILY MEMBERS HERE IN ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY, ALL WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE I, MY, MY WIFE AND I LOVE ST.
AUGUSTINE. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITIES, I'VE BEEN TO 68 COUNTRIES IN MY LIFE.
I'M US NAVY RETIRED, BEEN IN THREE WARS.
GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR AND IRAQI FREEDOM.
AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, THINGS HAVE CHANGED TREMENDOUSLY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IN THIS CITY.
AND WE HAVE SEEN A DEGRADATION OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AS COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR, ARE AWARE OF THIS AS WELL, THE PUBLIC.
WE. LIKE I SAID, WE OWN SEVEN PROPERTIES IN MY FAMILY.
I HAD OVER 20 FAMILY MEMBERS HERE IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, AND MULTIPLE FAMILY MEMBERS BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION AND I FELT IT WAS NECESSARY THAT I BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
JOHN'S ST., ST. GEORGE'S STREET FOR YEARS, NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES.
MY GRANDDAUGHTER, WITH FOUR OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS WITH THREE GENERATIONS WALKING DOWN ST.
GEORGE STREET, MY GRANDDAUGHTER WAS NEARLY ACCOSTED BY A HOMELESS PERSON.
HE WAS SMOKING MARIJUANA AT THE TIME, ON HIS CELL PHONE AND LITERALLY EYEING HER UP AND DOWN.
SHE'S A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SHE CAME TO ME, GRANDPA, WHAT'S WRONG? WHY DID THIS HAPPEN? WHY IS THIS MAN LOOKING AT ME LIKE THIS? AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO HER THAT IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE'VE SEEN IN SAN FRANCISCO, AUSTIN, MANY OTHER AREAS.
REMEMBER, I'VE BEEN TO 68 COUNTRIES.
I'M NOT AFRAID OF ANYTHING. I'VE BEEN IN THREE WARS.
BUT WHEN MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND MY WIFE SAY TO ME, I'M SCARED, I'M FEARFUL.
MY WIFE SAYS TO ME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL I CAN WALK DOWNTOWN BY MYSELF NOW.
BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ANYMORE.
I CALLED THE POLICE NUMEROUS TIMES.
WITH THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE, EYEING AND LITERALLY MY GRANDDAUGHTER WAS CRYING.
SHE WAS SO SCARED. THE POLICE DID COME.
THANK GOD. I THANK THE POLICE OFFICER.
PROBLEM WAS, IT WAS AN ATTEMPTED SUICIDE LITERALLY AT THE SAME TIME.
SO HE HAD TO GO TO THAT CALL INSTEAD OF MY CALL.
I TALKED TO FIVE DIFFERENT VENDORS AND STORE OWNERS BECAUSE I, NOW AM, I'VE BEEN IN THREE WARS.
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I WORKED AS COUNTERTERRORIST ANALYST GUYS.I HAVE VERY GOOD SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
I KNOW WHAT'S AROUND ME AT ALL TIMES.
AND IF I'M FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE, SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN IN THREE WARS AND 65 COUNTRIES, WE NEED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION THANK YOU. AND APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
AND THANK YOU AND HOPE THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR CITY BEAUTIFUL AND EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE TO COME.
VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] OKAY, MY NEXT CARD, I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW OR WAIT FOR THE SPECIFIC PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE DO SO.
GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.
I RESIDE AT 11 LIGHTHOUSE AVENUE.
I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR ORDINANCE 2022.33, AMENDING THE PUD AT 333 PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD TO INCLUDE DORMITORIES AS A PERMITTED USE. AS SOMEONE WHOSE FAMILY HAS BEEN PART OF THE CITY OF ST.
THESE COLLEGE STUDENTS PROVIDE AN INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THE BENEFIT FAR EXCEEDS THE POTENTIAL BED TAX REVENUE RELATED TO A SINGULAR HOTEL, PARTICULARLY IN A TIME WHEN WE ARE EXPERIENCING A CRITICAL WORKFORCE SHORTAGE THAT THESE STUDENTS ARE HELPING TO SOLVE.
AND WHEN NUMEROUS OTHER TAX REVENUE GENERATING HOTELS ARE ALSO BEING CONSTRUCTED.
MR. MAGUIRE, YOU INDICATED THE DESIRE TO SPEAK ON A COUPLE.
PLEASE COME FORWARD IF THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. GOOD IDEA.
GEORGE STREET. I'M SPEAKING AGAINST THE AGREEMENT FOR THE BROUDY PROJECT.
VERY SIMPLY, I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES WRITTEN BY SOME SEVERAL PEOPLE, SPECIFICALLY TWO EXPOSÉS WRITTEN BY [INAUDIBLE] AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT I BELIEVE HIGHLIGHT A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS.
IF YOU REMEMBER BACK WHEN THE SAN SEBASTIAN WAS DONE, IT WAS A LONG TERM PROJECT.
THEY DEFERRED AND THEN THEY CAME IN AND GOT A CONTINUOUS.
THEN THEY CAME IN AND GOT ANOTHER CONTINUOUS.
IT DID NOT SATISFY THE PEOPLE, DID NOT BENEFIT THE PEOPLE.
HERE WE HAVE 14,000 RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY AND ONE DEVELOPER.
ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS OR ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT THE DEVELOPER? IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, 30 YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE HERE IN 30 YEARS TO SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING.
THERE IS NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON TO APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR 30 YEARS.
IF YOU WANT TO EXTEND SOMETHING OUT, YOU GIVE THEM TWO OR THREE YEARS TO START CONSTRUCTION, ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS TO COMPLETE IT, AT THE, AS HE APPROACHES THE END OF THE TEN YEARS, IF HE NEEDS AN EXTENSION, COME BACK IN AND RENEGOTIATE.
RENEGOTIATE THE NEXT EXTENSION OR A THIRD EXTENSION DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT WAY YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CITY'S CHARACTER, THE CITY'S PERSONALITY, AND THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS RATHER THAN A DEVELOPER WHO'S TAKING HIS TIME. I ASK YOU NOT TO APPROVE THE 30 YEAR DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT, BUT TO TAKE IT BACK, RENEGOTIATE IT, AND THEN WORK ON A BETTER WAY TO HANDLE IT.
THANKS FOR LETTING ME DO IT NOW.
I HAVE THREE OTHER CARDS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TOWARDS THE BAILEY PROPERTY.
MR. BAILEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW, SIR, OR WOULD YOU? PLEASE. YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU TAKE FROM YOUR CAREERS AND YOUR FAMILY.
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NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE WHAT IS THERE NOW, AND THAT BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY DECADES.BUT I THINK THAT THAT PROPERTY IS A GATEWAY TO WEST AUGUSTINE.
WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING ON TO IMPROVE THAT PART OF OUR CITY, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT WILL ADD A GREAT DIMENSION OF POSITIVE ENTRANCE.
I THINK IT WILL ADD JOBS FOR MANY INDIVIDUALS AND RESIDENTS IN OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AND AS I MENTIONED IN MY PRIOR COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING, I TRUST BARRY AND THE BROUDY FAMILY.
I KNOW THAT THEY LOVE THIS COMMUNITY.
AND SO I WOULD ASK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS TO MOVE IT ON TO THE NEXT STEP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. LES STERN, YOU'D INDICATE A DESIRE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE BROUDY PROPERTY.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK NOW OR WAIT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT OPTION.
LES STERN, 69 GREAT STAR COURT, ST.
AUGUSTINE. CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THE BROUDY PROJECT.
AND MY WIFE AND I ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR IT.
SINCE THE MID 1970S, I HAVE LIVED AND WORKED AND VOLUNTEERED.
AUGUSTINE AND THE IMMEDIATE AREA SURROUNDING ST.
AUGUSTINE. AND CERTAINLY SEEING A LOT OF CHANGES BOTH GOOD AND BAD AS THINGS GO ALONG.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT SO HIGHLY ABOUT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE PONCE AND KING INTERCHANGE, THAT INTERSECTION THERE.
THAT IS SO MUCH A KEY GATEWAY, BOTH TO THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE AND TO THE WEST AUGUSTINE AREA AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN SOME NEW HOTELS COME IN.
WE HAVE SEEN AIRBNBS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WHERE THE THE RESIDENTS HAVE KIND OF MOVED AWAY FROM THEIR THEIR HOMES.
BUT WHAT THE BROUDY PROJECT IS LOOKING TO DO IS SOMETHING FOR THE LOCALS AND ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE FOR LOCALS TO LIVE, PLUS TO ENHANCE MOBILITY, BOTH THROUGH THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL AS THE BRIDGE OVER US-1.
ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THE COMMUTER RAIL NETWORK.
AND AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY, AS I SAID OVER THIS PAST HALF CENTURY, I'VE.
I BELIEVE THE BROUDY PROJECT WILL BE COMPATIBLE AS FAR AS HEIGHT.
WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, WITH THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE, AS FAR AS THE DOWNTOWN AND SO FORTH, AS WELL AS TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MORE WALKABLE.
JUST SO MANY GOOD THINGS WITH THE BROUDY PROJECT.
SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
SIR, YOU ARE WELCOME TO SPEAK NOW OR.
ALWAYS GREAT TO BE HERE. AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME TO DO THIS.
TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER.
STEPHANIE WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT COULD NOT.
SO I AM GOING TO CARRY THE WATER FOR BOTH OF US.
AND I'M GOING TO START WITH ACTUALLY THE CLOSING OF WHAT I HAD WRITTEN, WHICH IS THE LA ST THING I WANT TO SEE ON THE CORNER OF KING AND PONCE IS A WAWA, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.
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I DON'T WANT THAT.I WANT SOMETHING SPECTACULAR FOR THIS TOWN.
I'VE KNOWN BARRY FOR A LONG TIME.
I'VE BEEN ON THE WEST SIDE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS AND I'VE WATCHED A LOT OF CHANGES AND EVEN SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING I WAS AT REGARDING THAT SIDE OF TOWN. I THINK THE PROJECT FOR THE, FOR A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD UP HERE, I THINK THE PROJECT ITSELF IS, IT SOLVES SO MANY PROBLEMS OUTSIDE OF THE TALKING POINTS.
BUT I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON ONE THING TONIGHT AS A BUSINESS PERSON IN TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, SOLAR STICK WAS BORN AND BRED RIGHT HERE, AND I FOUGHT TO KEEP THAT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF ST.
AUGUSTINE BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CITY.
AND MOST OF YOU GUYS HAVE DEALT WITH ME ON ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
AND I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME DEEP RELATIONSHIPS IN THIS TOWN.
AND WE ALL HAVE SOMETHING THAT BINDS US.
AND THAT'S THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND THIS COMMUNITY IS, IT'S BUILT ON SOMETHING THAT OFTEN GETS A DIRTY WORD AND IT'S PROFIT.
AND EVEN NONPROFITS HAVE TO MAKE A PROFIT BECAUSE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES TO PAY.
WE HAVE CITY TAX. WE HAVE COUNTY TAXES.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS ON BARRY'S BEHALF.
WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE QUESTIONS AND PROBLEMS THAT HAVE TO BE RESOLVED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT, CHECK ALL THE BOXES IN ADVANCE BEFORE IT GOES TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
YOU KNOW, BUSINESS IS A FUNNY THING.
WE'VE SEEN THE EBB AND FLOW OF IT.
AND SO, ON BARRY'S BEHALF FROM, THROUGH OUR OWN HEART AND SOUL.
WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE MOVE HIS AGENDA DOWN FIELD SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING SPECTACULAR IN THE END AND NOT JUST ANOTHER CORPORATE EYESORE THAT THE CITY, I THINK, FRANKLY DOESN'T NEED.
SO THAT'S IT, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU GUYS SOON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
MS. GEIGER, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK NOW OR TO.
NOW WOULD BE ,AS MS. GEIGER'S COMING TO THE PODIUM, IF THERE'S ANY.
I HAVE ONE OTHER CARD, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, THEY ARE SPEAKERS CARDS IN THE BACK AND YOU COULD HAND IT TO ANY OF CITY STAFF AND THEY'LL GET THEM UP HERE TO ME. WELCOME.
HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? AND THANK YOU ALL THE BOARD FOR BEING HERE.
I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE BROUDY PROJECT FOR A BRIEF MOMENT.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE THAT I HAVE A COPY OF IN MY HANDS DATED OCTOBER 7, 2022, WAS DONE BASED ON 35 FOOT HIGH BUILDINGS.
THE CURRENT PROJECT IS OVER 65 FOOT HIGH BUILDINGS.
SO SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE.
I ALSO DON'T SEE ANYTHING MENTIONED ABOUT THE BUILDING WHICH WILL HOUSE THE TRAIN STATION AS PART OF THE MOD, WHICH WHY, WAS WHICH IS WHY THE PROPERTY WAS GRANTED SPECIAL STATUS.
AND, THE PUBLIC PARKING FACILITY HAS NO MENTION IN THE TERMS ABOUT PUBLIC BATHROOM FACILITIES, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE REASON STATED THAT THE CITY CANNOT USE THE FLAGLER STUDENT GARAGE WHEN IT IS NOT BEING USED BY THE STUDENTS.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE PUBLIC BATHROOMS IN THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE.
AND THEN THERE IS NOTHING IN THE BROUDY PROJECT THAT MENTIONS ANYTHING ABOUT AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING, SO THAT, AS FAR AS NEIGHBORS IN WEST ST.
AUGUSTINE BEING ABLE TO LIVE THERE, NOT AT THE CURRENT MARKET RATES WHICH ARE CAUSING MO ST OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND ANY OTHER WORKING POOR PERSON TO HAVE TO LEAVE LINCOLNVILLE TO MOVE ELSEWHERE TO WORK IN ST.
AUGUSTINE. AND ON A LAST NOTE, BUT NOT TO BE FORGOTTEN, IS RIBERIA STREET.
THE TRAFFIC STILL MOVES VERY QUICKLY DOWN THE STREET.
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WE JUST HAD FOUR NEW HOMES BUILT THERE, VERY LARGE.ONE IS SELLING FOR $1.2 MILLION.
AND ANOTHER ONE IS ALSO STARTING TO GET BUILT.
SO TRAFFIC STILL MOVES VERY QUICKLY.
AND WHILE I KNOW THAT IS NOT ALWAYS AN ISSUE TO SOME, IT IS AN ISSUE TO US THAT WALK DOGS, RIDE BICYCLES AND WANT TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT ALLOWS US TO CROSS THE STREET TO THE SIDEWALK OPPOSITE THE SIDE OF WHERE WE LIVE SAFELY. THANK YOU.
THE NEXT SPEAKER'S CARD I HAVE IS MARCO KASADI.
I'M SURE I'VE BUTCHERED THAT BADLY.
NAME'S BEEN GETTING BUTCHERED MY WHOLE LIFE. MARIO CASADO.
AND FIRST, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT HERE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SUPPORTING THE BROUDY PROJECT.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF GOOD REASONS.
THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE USE.
AUGUSTINE ON THE ON THE EAST OF THE CITY, BUT ALSO WEST AUGUSTINE ON THE WEST.
CURRENTLY, MR. BROUDY CAN PUT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE WAWA GAS STATION, RESTAURANTS.
I MEAN, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.
BUT, WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE WE SEE VALUE IN THIS PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS, PLEASE, LET'S APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
I'M SURE YOU HAVE, AND WE'LL FIND MR. BROUDY IS VERY RECEPTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND WANTS.
AS ISSUES COMES UP, I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS MS. CYNTHIA GARRIS. AND THIS IS THE LAST CARD THAT I HAVE.
I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE BROUDY PROJECT ALSO.
I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IT BEFORE BECAUSE I LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY.
AND SOMEHOW WE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION JUST FINE.
SO I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO BUILD THAT AREA UP WITH THIS BROUDY'S PROJECT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF ANY HIGH INTENSITY OR ANY OF THAT THINGS.
AND I'M SURE MR. BROUDY AND HIS ATTORNEY AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WITH HIM WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DECISIONS YOU GUYS HAVE MADE AS FAR AS ALL OF THAT IS CONCERNED. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS WHEN I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THERE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING AND THE DESIGN, THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MY COMMUNITY THERE AND THEY WERE EXCITED THAT SOMETHING NEW MIGHT WAKE UP OUR SIDE OF THE CITY.
YOU CAN'T LET AN AREA BE JUST SITTING IDLE FOREVER.
AND WHEN YOU HEAR SOMETHING EXCITING IS GOING TO HAPPEN, NOT SUPPORT IT.
THERE'S RESTAURANTS OVER THERE.
AND THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MOMENT.
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THE SOLUTIONS SO THAT THAT PROPERTY CAN BE VALUED AGAIN.AND SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT GET BUILT UP, IT PUTS A SMILE ON YOUR FACE.
SO WE'RE. I'M ASKING THAT YOU CONSIDER MOVING ALONG WITH THIS BROUDY PROJECT AND LET THEM BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOU SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER WEST SIDE OF THE CITY. THANK YOU.
I HAVE ONE LAST SPEAKER CAR MS. BJ KALAIDI. THANK YOU.
AUGUSTINE. I LIVE ON THE WEST CITY OF US-1 TOO.
SINCE THE SEVENTIES, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT HAPPEN TOO.
THESE FACTS WERE NOT PART OF THE PRESENTATION ON OCTOBER 10, 2022.
TRANSPARENCY CONTINUES TO BE LACKING IN THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. 983 ORDINANCE 2022-33, 333 SOUTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD.
REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS AT FLAGLER COLLEGE.
THIS SCHOOL WILL TAKE MORE PROPERTY OFF THE TAX ROLLS.
THEIR FALSE ADVERTISING SHOULD BE CHANGED.
IT'S NOT THEIR TOWN AND IT'S NOT OUR TEAM.
AUGUSTINE. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
LACK OF ENFORCEMENT HAS CREATED A JUNKYARD AT 12 NEWCOMB.
I'VE INVITED YOU ALL TO DRIVE BY.
I WISH YOU WOULD. I WISH EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WOULD.
MRS. REGAN AND MRS. UPCHURCH SHOULD DRIVE BY.
THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON THEIR STREET.
VOTE NO SALES TAX INCREASE NOVEMBER 8.
CITY POLITICIANS, MR. REGAN AND BUREAUCRATS HAVE NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT WITH HOW OUR CITY'S PORTION OF THAT MONEY WILL BE SPENT.
AND I THINK WE, AS CITIZENS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN HEARING SOMETHING FROM YOU ALL TO KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY INSTEAD OF BEING QUIET ABOUT IT.
BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THAT OR EVEN SPOKE UP ABOUT IT FROM YOU FIVE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS CARDS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.
SEEING NO ONE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS CLOSED.
COMMISSIONERS WE'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[5. CONSENT AGENDA ]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE.BEFORE I ASK MR. REGAN TO READ IT FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD ASK THAT WE REMOVE ITEM C A9.
I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE THAT PERTAINS TO MY EMPLOYER IN A VERY INNOCUOUS WAY.
BUT I THINK PRUDENCE JUST SIMPLY INDICATES THAT.
SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE REMOVE ITEM C A9 AND MOVE IT TO ITEM 10 OF THE AGENDA.
SO IT WOULD BECOME ITEM 10 B? OTHERWISE, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'LL ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE READ THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA.
THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCES ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022.
ORDINANCE 2022-31, ORDINANCE 2022-32 OR IN ITS 2022-33.
REMINDER OF UPCOMING MEETINGS.
DECEMBER 12, 2022, 5 P.M., CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION 2022-17 PROCLAIMING NOVEMBER 2022 AS NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH.
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AGREEMENT. WE HAVE APPROVAL OF REQUEST BY THE FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT TO CARRY FORWARD FUNDS FROM THE 2021-2022 FISCAL YEAR.WE HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITY UPDATE.
WE HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT QUARTERLY UPDATE AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT ANNUAL UPDATE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. REGAN. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED.
SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND. MADAM CLERK, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[8.A.1. Ordinance 2022-16: Amends the Future Land Use Designation of Property commonly known as Broudy Property from Commercial Medium Intensity and Industrial Warehousing to Mobility Oriented Development. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 8.A.1, WHICH IS HERE ON SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE 2022-16. MS. SKINNER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND IT MAY BE FOR ATTORNEY.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT HEARING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FIRST? BECAUSE FROM A STATUTORY PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE TO FIRST CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEN CONSIDER THE REZONING, AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A CONTRACTUAL DOCUMENT BASED ON THE FIRST TWO STEPS.
BUT I BELIEVE MS. SKINNER WE'LL DO A HOLISTIC PRESENTATION AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHATEVER CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE WITH THE APPLICANT.
I WOULD REMIND THE COMMISSION, SINCE I HAVE THE FLOOR, TO DISCLOSE EX PARTE BECAUSE THE REZONING PORTION IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AND WE WILL NEED TO PLACE FOLKS UNDER OATH FOR THE REZONING PORTION.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AS YOU NOTED, THESE ARE THREE AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE PROPERTY REFERRED TO AS THE BROUDY PROJECT AT THE CORNER OF US-1 AND WEST KING STREET. THESE ITEMS ARE A LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT, A REZONING SPECIFIC TO THE BROUDY PROPERTY, WHICH WERE CONTINUED AT THE OCTOBER 11TH MEETING AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT IS THE FIRST ITEM.
IT IS A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2022-16 TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP FROM COMMERCIAL, MEDIUM INTENSITY AND INDUSTRIAL TO THE NEWLY CREATED MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT LAND USE CATEGORY FOR THE 5.5 APPROXIMATELY 5.5 ACRES KNOWN AS THE BROUDY PROPERTY.
THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT IS SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNING THE CREATED MODE LAND USE, AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE THE LAND USE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE AMENDED LAND USE CATEGORY BASED ON THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO ANY LAND USE THAT WOULD APPLY INCLUDES THOSE CHANGES.
THE CHANGES INCLUDED ARE RELATED TO THE 65 FEET OF MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND A REQUIRED PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE ON THE SITE, AS PART OF THE MOBILITY STATION.
WHEN THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS REVIEWED.
THE REZONING IS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-17 TO CHANGE THE ZONING DESIGNATION FROM COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TO AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING TO THE NEWLY CREATED MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS CREATED FOR THE LAND USE CATEGORY.
THE AMENDED ZONING DISTRICT INCLUDES THE SPECIFIC TOTAL HEIGHT OF 65 FEET, A REQUIRED PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE AS PART OF THE MOBILITY STATION, THE SPECIFIC ELIMINATION OF DRIVING USES NO SERVICE STATIONS AND NO HOTELS, MOTELS, CONFERENCE CENTERS OR SPAS IN THE LIST OF POTENTIAL USES.
THESE ITEMS ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE SPEAK ALREADY.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THE THIRD ITEM RELATED TO THE BROUDY PROPERTY.
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THE ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONTAINS REVISED AND ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THE, TO ADDRESS THE CITY COMMISSION'S CONCERNS ARTICULATED OCTOBER 10TH AT THE FIR ST PUBLIC HEARING. LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY THE ENTIRE SITE IS SUBJECT TO THE WEST KING STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, AS APPLICABLE, HAS BEEN ADDED.THE PROJECT WILL UTILIZE LOW IMPACT DESIGN TECHNIQUES.
CLARIFICATIONS REGARDING THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR A PUBLIC SHUTTLE OR CIRCULATOR SYSTEM WERE ADDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AS WELL AS TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE.
IT'S INDICATED AS TAKING PLACE IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE ORIGINAL KEY ELEMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ARE ALSO STILL INTACT.
THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM AVAILABLE.
AND SO THE DIFFICULTY IN CAPTURING ALL OF THE CONVERSATION IS DIFFERENT.
BUT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF, I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. MARK BAILEY, OF COURSE, WITH THE APPLICANT, MR. BARRY BROUDY WITH MR. PHILLIP MCDANIEL AND MS. MELINDA RAKONCAY.
IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER CORRESPONDENCE IS REFLECTED IN MY OFFICIAL EMAIL.
TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, I HAVE TALKED WITH MELINDA RAKONCAY, I HAVE, AND DAVID SHORES.
I HAVE TALKED WITH MR. BROUDY, I'VE TALKED WITH MR. BROUDY'S ATTORNEY, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROJECTS.
ANYTHING ELSE IS ON THE SERVER.
SAME THING ABOUT SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, MR. BROUDY. I HAVE TALKED TO MELINDA, RAKONCAY AND RECEIVED SOME EMAILS ON THE SERVER.
AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH NEIL DAWSON, ARCHITECT FROM LS3P, WHO IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH MR. BROUDY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VALDES.
I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH MARK BAILEY, MR. BROUDY, MELINDA RAKONCAY, PHILIP MCDANIEL PROBABLY MORE THAN I CAN THINK OF AND WHATEVER IS ON MY SERVER AS WELL.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS PROJECT AT ALL IN PARTICULAR.
BUT I HAVE SPOKEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH MR. BROUDY AND MANY EMAIL CORRESPONDENCES AND A CONVERSATION WITH MS. RAKONCAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 8.A.1, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, MS. SKINNER. MS. SKINNER. THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT ANCILLARY USES OF PARKING GARAGES SUCH AS BATHROOMS OR ANY OTHER NEEDED FACILITIES, AS I ASSUME THAT'S IMPLIED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT IS INCLUDED WITH THE CONSTRUCTED GARAGE? THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIRED FACILITIES BASED ON THE BUILDING CODE.
SO ANY BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS WOULD NEED TO BE MET BY ANY USE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON PAGE SIX UNDER DEVELOPMENT TIMING.
IT SPEAKS ABOUT A 200 PARKING SPACE GARAGE AND OTHER PLACES, IT HAS SAID, 500 SPACE GARAGE.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I BELIEVE, REFERS TO THAT THEY WOULD CONSTRUCT A MINIMUM OF 500 CAR PARKING GARAGE, AND THAT IS JUST RELATED TO THE PUBLIC PARKING PORTION OF IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING.
I'LL LOOK AT THAT AGAIN AND MAKE IF I COULD.
LET'S ASK, ELLEN AVERY-SMITH IS HERE.
MS. SMITH I THINK WE'RE ON PAGE SIX OF THE DOCUMENT.
MR. BROUDY IS GOING BEYOND THAT IN HIS PROPOSAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO 500.
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CORRECT. BUT WE'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE I PRESUME THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT MR. BROUDY IS GOING TO DO WOULD BE SET OUT ON PAGE SIX, ITEM 8.IT CLEARLY SAYS 200 PARKING SPACES.
YES, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.
FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WHETSTONE PLACE HERE IN ST.
AUGUSTINE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THE MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ZONING CATEGORY REQUIRES A PUBLICLY, I'M GOING TO JUST USE THE OVERALL PHRASE OF PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE.
THE DEFINITION IS IN YOUR ZONING CODE.
SO IT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 200 PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SPACES.
SO THE IDEA OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THE BROUDY'S OR MR. BROUDY WOULD ENTER INTO A PARKING GARAGE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT WOULD CONTAIN A MINIMUM OF 500 PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SPACES BY JULY 1 OF 2023. IN THE EVENT THE PARTIES DO NOT REACH AGREEMENT BY THAT DATE OR A DATE THAT CAN BE EXTENDED BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES, THEN MR. BROUDY STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO BUILD A MINIMUM 200 PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE SPACE PARKING GARAGE ON HIS PROPERTY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MOD ZONING CODE.
SO, FIRST STEP IS CITY GARAGE.
PURSUANT TO THE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S HOW THE DEVELOPMENT, TIMING IN SECTION 8 IS SUPPOSED TO WATERFALL, IF YOU WILL.
OKAY. SO, MS. SMITH, WHY WOULD WE NOT TODAY HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR THE SIZE OF THE PARKING GARAGE? WHY IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE PUT OFF UNTIL JULY OF 2023? BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT COME, WE HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED NEGOTIATING THE ACTUAL PARKING GARAGE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
AND SO WE DON'T KNOW, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THAT'LL BE 500 SPACES OR 700 SPACES, HOW MUCH LAND THAT PARKING GARAGE MIGHT TAKE UP. WHAT ARE THE TERMS FINANCIALLY? WHO'S GOING TO OPERATE? I MEAN, SO MS. LOPEZ CAN CHIME IN HERE.
AND IF THE CITY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, DOES NOT REACH THIS AGREEMENT, WE WANT MR. BROUDY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD HIMSELF WITH HIS OWN MONEY, A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE CONTAINING A MINIMUM OF 200 SPACES.
HOWEVER, MONTHS AGO, THE CITY GAVE MR. BROUDY A LETTER OF INTENT, WHERE WE INDICATED OUR INTENT TO TAKE DOWN, I BELIEVE, 500 PARKING SPACES.
SO NEGOTIATIONS AT LEAST AS TO THE NEEDS OF THE CITY HAVE OCCURRED.
CORRECT. BUT THERE HAS BEEN, AND I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT, SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF A LEGAL DOCUMENT, WE HAVE NOT SAT DOWN WITH THE CITY STAFF AND YOUR PARKING EXPERTS AND MR. BROUDY'S PARKING EXPERTS TO TALK ABOUT LITERALLY THE STRUCTURE OF AN AGREEMENT TO BUILD THE PARKING STRUCTURE.
OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF 200.
I MEAN, I THINK WE HEARD IT WAY BACK THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE 200.
BUT I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 500 FOR MONTHS NOW.
THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DOESN'T SAY 500.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
THE REASON THAT IT DOESN'T SAY 500 IS, IS THAT IS THE DEFINITION, IN YOUR CITY CODE, IN THE ZONING CODE, IN THE DEFINITION OF MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU READ THAT IT TALKS ABOUT MINIMUM 200 SPACE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SPACES.
AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY HOW WE GOT THERE, BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE SAID 500.
WELL, THAT'S FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
AND IN FAIRNESS, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR SURPRISE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MS. SMITH'S THING, IS THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT TIMING, IN THE LAST AGREEMENT WE SAW, IT ALSO SAID 200 SPACES.
THAT'S WHAT WE ALL WANT AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TOWARD.
BUT WE JUST LITERALLY HAVE NOT PAPERED THAT AGREEMENT.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT DOESN'T OCCUR, THEN MR.
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BROUDY CAN BUILD A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE GARAGE.BUT, AND IT HAS TO CONTAIN A MINIMUM OF 200 PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SPACES.
OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I DO HAVE, AGAIN A CLARIFICATION ON THE KING STREET GUIDELINES.
WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING, AMY, ABOUT THE GUIDELINES THAT, ON THIS PROJECT, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THAT WE'VE GOT APPROVED? THAT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE WEST KING STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, THAT THERE ARE EIGHT ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN, WEST KING STREET DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WILL APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS UNIQUE AND THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE ZONING CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED AND THAT THESE EIGHT ASPECTS RELATE TO THE BUILDING PLACEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, BUILDING FRONTAGE FOR BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO THE PRIMARY ROADWAY, THE ARCHITECTURE, MATERIALS, FENESTRATION AND GLAZING, INCLUDING AWNINGS, CANOPIES, THE ROOF PARKING STRUCTURE DESIGN, SITE ACCESS AND PARKING, SITE AND BUILDING LIGHTING, STORMWATER FACILITIES, LANDSCAPE AND SCREENING AND SIGNS.
THERE ARE, AS YOU KNOW, THE KING STREET DESIGN STANDARDS KIND OF ADDRESS EAST AND WEST, WEST KING STREET WITH THE INTERSECTION OF US-1 BEING THE DEMARCATION.
THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC REFERENCES OF ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PROPERTIES EAST OF KING STREET BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNS RELATED TO RESIDENTIAL TYPOLOGY, STRUCTURES THAT ARE MORE PREVALENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF OF US-1, AS WELL AS NOT WANTING TO HAVE HEIGHT AS YOU COME IN TOWARD TOWN SO THAT YOU CAN ENJOY THE THE SKYLINE AS YOU APPROACH THE DOWNTOWN FROM, YOU KNOW, WEST COMING INTO TOWN TOWARD THE DOWNTOWN.
OTHER THAN THAT, THESE EIGHT ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY FELT GOOD ABOUT WHAT I SAW FROM THE ARCHITECTS.
ARE WE GOING TO SEE IT TONIGHT? ANY PRESENTATION ON THE CURRENT? THAT'S FOR YOUR ATTORNEY.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THESE ARE THE EIGHT ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY, INCLUDING IT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ENTIRE PARCEL OR PARCELS CONTAINED IN THE PROJECT FOR THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, AND THEY ARE LISTED BELOW.
SOME ISSUES IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD NOT APPLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT, BUT THESE ARE OUTLINED AS SPECIFICALLY APPLYING TO ANY PROJECT.
THE, WE ALSO CLARIFIED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PER THE CITY COMMISSION'S COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO WE HAD A QUESTION, MS. SMITH, I BELIEVE.
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SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH MR. BROUDY. THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A COMBINED PRESENTATION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, DOES NOT CONTAIN ARCHITECTURE, BECAUSE THE ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IS VERY CONCEPTUAL.IT IS. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS, IF WE PUT ANYTHING UP ON THE RECORD TODAY, IT'S VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD THAT IS VERY CONCEPTUAL AND CAN AND WOULD NOT BE BINDING.
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND ALSO THE CONCERN THAT THE KING STREET DESIGN STANDARDS AND MR. MARQUIS CAN COME UP AND HE'S MUCH MORE ELOQUENT THAN I WITH RESPECT TO THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.
IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S HOW IT READS.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, DOES THE ENTRY CORRIDOR GUIDELINES DICTATE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FRONTING ON KING STREET AND PONCE DE LEON? AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
BUT HERE'S THE LANGUAGE THAT THE FIRST QUESTION FIRST AND THEN I'LL.
AND THIS IS, OF COURSE, THE ZONING DISTRICT LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADOPTED.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE I MADE CHANGES TO CLARIFY THAT THE 65 FEET OF MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO THE TALLEST, TALLEST POINT OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING ANY APPURTENANCES, ELEVATOR SHAFTS OR TOWERS OR DECORATIVE FEATURES, PARAPET OR THE LIKE.
AND THE NEXT SENTENCE STARTS WITH THE CAPITAL B SAYING BUILDING HEIGHT ADJACENT TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES SHALL BE INCREMENTALLY AND PROPORTIONALLY STEPPED DOWN FROM THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED HEIGHT OF 65 FEET TO A HEIGHT NOT TO EXCEED 30% ABOVE THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
DO YOU WANT TO HEAR THAT BEFORE OR AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT? PROBABLY BEFORE I WOULD SAY.
OKAY. WELL, THEN I WILL LET MR. MARQUIS KICK IT OFF.
IT IS A COMBINED PRESENTATION.
WOULD YOU LIKE FOR EVERYBODY WHO MIGHT BE TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF OUR CREW TO COME UP AND BE SWORN IN AT ONE TIME? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONERS.
JEREMY MARQUIS, MARQUIS LATIMER AND HALBACK, 34 CORDOVA STREET, ST.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL GIVING IT YOUR ATTENTION.
AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE.
I THINK IT CAN BE A TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECT.
I AM ONLY ONE PART OF A VERY DEEP TEAM.
OF COURSE, MR. BROUDY AND BROUDY BROTHERS LTD.
AS THE APPLICANT WITH THE CO APPLICANT.
MR. LANG. WE HAVE JASON PERRY WITH NINE OAKS DEVELOPMENT ON THE TEAM.
LTG ENGINEERING AND PLANNING HAS BEEN DOING THE PLANNING.
BUT REALLY THAT'S JUST THE PART OF MAKING IT COME TO REALITY.
BUT THESE ARE THE TENANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME MONTHS AND IT'S ABOUT CREATING A GATEWAY TO OUR ENTIRE CITY, ABOUT BEING A GOOD CIVIC PARTICIPANT THERE IN WEST AUGUSTINE.
AND WE REALLY BOILED IT DOWN TO THESE FOUR ELEMENTS.
IT'S ABOUT THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO MOBILITY, OUR COMMITMENT AND SPECIFICALLY THE BROUDY'S, FAMILY'S COMMITMENT TO RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE REALLY LIVING HERE IN OUR CITY.
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GATEWAY TO THE COMMUNITY.SO WITH THAT, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE MR. BARRY TO PROVIDE MORE PERSPECTIVE.
COMMISSIONERS. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
SO. I THINK WE ARE GETTING TO THE, TO A STEPPING STONE IN THIS JOURNEY.
I'M HOPING THAT AFTER TONIGHT, I CAN REALLY START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VISION THAT I HAVE FOR THE CITY, FOR WEST AUGUSTINE, AND FOR MY FAMILY.
IT'S REALLY IT'S BEEN EXCITING PUTTING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER.
I, THE TIME I SPENT WITH JOHN REGAN PROBABLY TEN YEARS AGO, SUCKING ME INTO THIS PROJECT, HAS BEEN SOMETHING I HAVE THOROUGHLY ENJOYED.
I THINK THIS WILL BE A TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECT.
I ESPECIALLY, THE BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF, WITH THE COMMISSION.
JUST LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS AND TO THOSE OF THE CITY.
I THINK WE HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT WILL OUTLIVE ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM, AND I KNOW IT WILL CERTAINLY MAKE ME VERY PROUD.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL MOVE ALONG THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE ARE TAKING UP TIME.
GOING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
WE'RE SEEKING TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY ON THE FRONT AND INDUSTRIAL ON THE BACK TO MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT THE PARAMETERS OF THE USES ARE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALREADY AS APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
THE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY OR TO, AGAIN, THE FRONT PART OR ALONG WEST KING STREET AS A COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TO THE BACK PART IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING, AGAIN SEEKING TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO ALL OF THOSE WRITTEN PARAMETERS IN THAT ARE NOW IN YOUR CITY CODE.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THESE LINES TO YOU.
WE'VE TALKED TO YOU A LOT ABOUT YOUR MOBILITY PLAN.
YOU'VE INCLUDED ALREADY APPROVED THE MODE LAND USE AND ZONING.
SO THIS IS JUST A REMINDER, AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EARLIER, THIS DEFINITION OF MOBILITY STATION THAT IS IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS WHERE THAT MINIMUM 200 SPACE REQUIREMENT COMES FROM.
AND SO THIS IS JUST SUMMARIZING THE REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS ALREADY BAKED INTO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SAME THING YOUR CITY CODE ALREADY REQUIRES, ALLOWS ALL THESE DIFFERENT USES DOES NOT INCLUDE HOTEL AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY TAKEN OUT OF THAT CATEGORY BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
THEN GOING FORWARD AGAIN, IT ALLOWS DIFFERENT USES THAT YOU SEE ON THIS, INCLUDING ANOTHER BROWNIES, BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE BROWNIES AND THEN TALKS AGAIN ABOUT THE COVERAGE BY BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES THAT THE 80% THIS IS ALL RIGHT FROM YOUR ZONING CODE THIS SETBACKS AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING AND THE ENTRY CORRIDOR DESIGN GUIDELINES IS BUILT INTO YOUR DEFINITIONS IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS IS VERBATIM FROM YOUR CODE.
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TOUCHES WEST KING STREET.WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO IT WILL HAVE ACCESS AND TOUCH A PUBLIC ROAD.
AND THEN WE CAN AND THEN THE REST OF THE SITE AGAIN HAS.
THE PORTION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN WIDE IS THAT DOT RIGHT OF WAY OR.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, JAMIE.
DO YOU KNOW? MR. MAYOR, THOSE WERE JUST SHOWING THE SETBACKS WHERE YOU WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE, PER SE, BUILDING IN THAT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THIS AREA AT THAT CORNER? I'M SO SORRY. THAT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF SHOWING THE GENERAL MASSING OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE YELLOW WOULD BE PART OF WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD GO.
AND THEN THE WHITE HAS TO DO WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
MR. MAYOR? YES? COULD I ALSO ASK A QUESTION? I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT A COMMUTER RAIL STATION, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AM I RIGHT? LIKE, WHERE WOULD THAT BE LOCATED? THE RAIL STATION WOULD BE ALONG THE FCC RAILROAD LINE.
YEAH, PART OF IT WOULD BE WITHIN THIS PROPERTY AND PART OF IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON THE FEC PROPERTY.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST GOING INTO [INAUDIBLE] HAD ALREADY REVIEWED THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BASED ON THE CITY COMMISSION'S COMMENTS TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND SO IT IS BUILT INTO THIS REVISED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AGAIN THAT THE KING STREET GUIDELINES FOR WEST KING STREET AND APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRINCIPLES.
AND THERE'S MORE DETAIL, MORE LANGUAGE WRITTEN INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THIS.
SAME THING WITH RETENTION AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THERE'S MORE DETAIL IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TEXT ITSELF.
THE CITY WILL PROVIDE THE CIRCULATOR SYSTEM THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT GOES FROM THE GARAGE INTO TOWN AND THEN THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT WAS ADDED SINCE OUR LAST GET TOGETHER.
SORRY, I DID NOT REALIZE THOSE.
HERE'S RAIN GARDENS AND PERVIOUS PAVERS.
THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT MEETS THESE DESIGN PARAMETERS.
AND THEN ALSO THE CIRCULATOR AND THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE.
AND SO THAT IS THAT WRAPS UP OUR PRESENTATION.
WE CAN ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. MAYOR. PLEASE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY WEAR IN THAT PRESENTATION THAT SAID A CAP OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. AND THERE ISN'T ONE.
SO TO CLARIFY, AND WE CAN GET MR. WEST TO COME UP, HE DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE WE'RE SEEKING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO WE SAID, OKAY, THERE WILL BE THE LIKELY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 275 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND A MAXIMUM OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT WAS CHOSEN FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY ITSELF COMPARED TO WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS OF THE BROUDY AND LANG PROPERTIES ARE TODAY.
THAT WAS THE COMPARISON FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY ITSELF.
THERE IS NOT A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEING EITHER HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL AT THIS POINT, SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL NEED TO BE REDONE AT THE CONCURRENCY PHASE.
I'M SORRY, THAT WILL BE FILED WITH THE CITY STAFF REVIEWED FOR THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, WATER AND SEWER IMPACTS, STORMWATER IMPACTS AND THE LIKE. AND THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WILL NEED TO BE ANALYZED IN A DEEPER WAY AT THAT TIME.
SO THERE WILL BE A MORE DETAILED TRAFFIC STUDY DONE WHEN THERE IS A MORE FINITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WE'RE NOT SIGNING OR AGREEING TO SIGN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH ANY PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE? NO, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LITERALLY IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE MOD LAND USE AND THE MOD ZONING CATEGORIES.
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ALL THE ONSITE INFRASTRUCTURE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DID WITH THE SHIP THE ST AUGUSTINE SHIPYARD.AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, THERE WILL BE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENTS LIKE WE NEED THE PARKING GARAGE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, WE NEED A FINAL CONCURRENCY APPLICATION ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE AND THESE THINGS WILL BE REVIEWED BY YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF, YOU'VE GOT AN OUTSIDE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT HAS LOOKED AT THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE'LL LOOK AT YOUR AT THIS NEXT TRAFFIC STUDY FOR CONCURRENCY.
AND WE WILL WORK WITH YOUR STAFF TO DETERMINE THINGS LIKE IF WATER AND SEWER LINES NEED TO BE UPSIZED OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS UNDER YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO IT'S THE CORRIDOR OF REVIEW.
WE WON'T SEE THE FINAL PROJECT.
MR. REGAN. MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU.
CORRECT. THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WOULD BE BY THE QUARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY THIS BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT.
BUT WE HAVE ONE ARCHITECT AND TWO BUSINESS OWNERS ON THE CORRIDOR REVIEW BOARD.
I TOO HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR.
AND DECEMBER WILL BE TEN YEARS.
SO I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS PROJECT.
THE CONCEPT WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT AND WE ALL THOUGHT, FANTASTIC, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY, FOR THE POLICE AND OUR FIRE AND EVERYTHING.
AND TONIGHT WE HAVE YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS IS TO RESIDENTIAL THAT THE COMMITMENTS HAVEN'T BEEN TO RESIDENTIAL WITH ANY PERCENTAGE TO WORKFORCE HOUSING.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LOW END HOUSING.
COMMISSIONER HORVATH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT MAY BE LONGER THAN THAT NOW, BUT THE DIFFICULT TENSION THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURES AND WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE EXPERTS AT HOW MUCH THAT COST.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURES.
THIS WILL HAVE TO BE MARKET RATE HOUSING SHEERLY BECAUSE IN ORDER TO FIT A CITY OR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE TO MEET THE VISION OF YOUR MOBILITY PLAN FOR PUBLIC TO GET THE PARKING SPACES OUT OF THE CITY CENTER AND OVER TO THE BROUDY PROPERTY, THE TRADE OFF IS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING.
THERE HAS TO BE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS EXPENSIVE.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT JUST YET.
IF THIS IS GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY THE ENTRY CORRIDOR COMMITTEE OR BOARD, IF THAT BOARD MAKES DECISION, CAN THAT DECISION BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COMMISSION? YES. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT WOULD GO BEFORE THE RECORDER BOARD, JUST LIKE WE TRUST ALL OUR OTHER BOARDS TO MAKE DECISIONS.
THAT'S YOUR CHECK AND BALANCES RIGHT THERE.
I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER HORVATH SAID.
SO I'M TRYING TO FRAME IT AND ALSO TRYING TO GO THROUGH MY MEMORY BANKS AND SEE IF I'VE SEEN THIS.
I'M A LITTLE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH OF THIS.
OF THIS REZONING AND OR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WHAT PROPORTIONS WOULD BE WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT THE PARKING IS THAT?
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I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT.AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A CRITICAL MASS OF RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE COMMERCIAL, MEDIUM AND INDUSTRIAL. BUT SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT I HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT HOLDS SOME SORT OF PROPORTIONALITY? WELL, YOU HAVE THE 80% LIMIT ON YOUR LOT COVERAGE.
YOU HAVE YOUR HEIGHT LIMIT, YOU HAVE A REQUIRED RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS REQUIRED.
THE BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
I KNOW THERE'S A HEIGHT LIMIT. I KNOW THERE'S A DENSITY LIMIT.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT COVERAGE, BUT IS THERE A REQUIRED PROPORTION OF RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL? NO, NOT IN THAT RESPECT.
IT IS UP TO 50 UNITS PER ACRE AND IT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
TYPICALLY, THAT'S 30% OF A PROJECT.
THIS IS NOT A USUAL PROJECT, BUT THE LIMITS ARE GOING TO BE WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY FIT IN THE CUBES THAT THEY ARE BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY AS THEY WORK WITH IT.
THE I CAN ANSWER THIS THROUGH THE MAYOR IF I CAN ANSWER MR. VALDES HIS QUESTION.
THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY BUT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS PROBLEM.
OKAY. I'M SORRY, MR. SKINNER, DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT EVERYTHING ON KING STREET WOULD BE RELATED TO THE ADJACENT BUILDING HEIGHT? YES, 30%.
BUT THERE IS A STEP DOWN REQUIREMENT AS WELL.
JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND IT RELATES TO COMMISSIONER BLONDER, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH.
HOW MANY? ONE BEDROOMS, HOW MANY TWO BEDROOMS? HOW MANY THREE BEDROOMS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT SQUARE FOOTAGE HERE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER LIMITING FACTOR.
THERE'S A CERTAIN PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOMS, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE PARKING FOR THEIR USES AS WELL AS THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE PARKING FACILITY.
SOMETHING ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT MISS SMITH REFERRED TO THE PARKING STUDY, THE ANALYSIS.
IT ALSO INCLUDED A REFERENCE TO A 700 SPACE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE.
SO IT WAS BASED ON 275 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL IN A 700 SPACE PARKING GARAGE, SO THAT YOU CAN TELL THAT THE NUMBER IS KIND OF IN FLUX.
AND I THINK IT ALL GOES BACK TO WHAT THE MAXIMUMS THEY CAN FIT ON THE PROPERTY ARE GOING TO BE.
OK OTHER QUESTIONS SEEING NONE.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ARE ON ORDINANCE 8A1 I'M SORRY, ITEM 8A1, ORDINANCE 2022 16, WHICH IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.
THE FIRST IS MELINDA [INAUDIBLE].
LINDA [INAUDIBLE] 86 MAGNOLIA AVENUE.
WAIT, MS. [INAUDIBLE], I APOLOGIZE.
DID YOU WANT TO BE PLACED UNDER OATH NOW I KNOW THIS.
THIS ITEM IS A LEGISLATIVE ITEM.
BUT WOULD WOULD IT FLOW BETTER IF WE SWORE IN FOLKS AS THEY COME UP TO THE PODIUM? WELL, YES, I WOULD SAY.
YES. I'VE GOT FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITSELF.
HOWEVER, THIS IS INSANE, ESPECIALLY SITTING HERE AND LISTENING TO EVERYTHING THAT'S JUST PASSED.
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THIS IS THE PROBLEM OF WHY I'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, THIS THING NEEDS TO BE A POD SO WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN HERE.WE'VE GOT A CASE OF WHERE WE'RE SITTING TONIGHT BECAUSE WE PASSED AND IT'S DONE.
WE PASSED AN MOD ORDINANCES WITH VERY GENEROUS HIGHER TWO AND THREE TIMES ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY.
65 FEET, 50 UNITS AN ACRE AND 80% LOT COVERAGE.
ALONG WITH THAT COMES A BLANK CHECK FOR DEVELOPERS TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WITH IT.
NOW, I WAS ASSURED AT EARLIER MEETINGS AND BY STAFF THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS GOING TO ACT AS SOME KIND OF CONTROL ON THIS, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE AS EXTENSIVE AS A POD, BUT THAT AT THIS POINT, THE CITY COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.
BUT THIS IS WHEN WE GET DOWN INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS ORDINANCE IS A DEVELOPER'S DREAM ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, IT JUST THERE'S NO IF WE HAD PASSED THIS ORDINANCE WITH SHORTER HEIGHTS, SHORTER LOT COVERAGE AND SMALLER UNITS PER ACRE. WHICH IS HOW WE SHOULD HAVE GONE ABOUT DOING THIS WHOLE THING.
BUT THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM OF WHY WE'RE IN THIS MESS, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET MESSIER.
WE DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS A TRAFFIC STUDY GOES, UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF RETAIL IS GOING IN, WHETHER GROCERY STORES, GYMS OR WHATEVER. THERE'S A WHOLE ARRAY OF STUFF THAT CAN GO IN THERE.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE GENERATED BECAUSE TRAFFIC PEOPLE JUDGE ON WHAT THE WHAT IT'S GOING, WHETHER IT'S A GROCERY STORE OR WHETHER IT'S A SMALL SHOP OR ALL THAT WE HAVE.
AND AS SMITH JUST TOLD YOU, SHE DOESN'T IN THE DAYLIGHT, THEY CAN DEVELOP NOT 50,000 UNITS, I MEAN, 50,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS WHAT ALL YOUR TRAFFIC WAS BASED ON. BUT YOU TAKE 80% LOCK COVERAGE AND A 65 FOOT HEIGHT AND WHICH ALL THAT AFTER THAT YOU CAN BUILD ON BESIDES THE RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A LOT MORE THAN 50,000 AND SHE JUST TELLS YOU THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOCKED INTO THAT 50,000, WHICH IS WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE ON.
SO JUST THE BEGINNING OF MANY COMMENTS TONIGHT.
THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. JIM SPRINGFIELD.
JIM SPRINGFIELD SIX ALTHEA STREET.
THERE'S NO THIS THE SERVICE STATION ON THE CORNER.
IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND PUT INTO BETTER USE FOR THIS.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE GARAGE SOME PASSIONATE SPEAKER SPOKE LAST TIME THAT THE PARKING GARAGE NEEDS TO BE BUILT FIRST. AND I KNOW THERE'S NO AGREEMENT IN THIS TONIGHT THAT'S GOING TO CONSIDER THAT.
BUT I SEE THAT AS A REAL FALLBACK IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO PARK THERE AND GET IN A BUS AND SIT IN TRAFFIC.
AND SO THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR THE COMPLETION OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT.
I'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT 50 FEET, I WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH 50 FEET AND 65 I WASN'T.
BUT IF THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ABOVE THE 50 IN THAT SAME PERCENTAGE AND THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT TONIGHT, THAT'S A 20% REDUCTION AND IT'S A 15% REDUCTION IN ACTUAL INCOME.
SO I THINK THEY STILL COULD AFFORD TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER CHARGES OR ANYBODY.
BJ KALAIDI WEST CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE, 881 ORDINANCE 2022 16.
I DON'T REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THIS LAST TIME BECAUSE I HAD MY ORIGINAL NOTES.
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WE JUST SAID WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK ON IT.SO THIS IS TECHNICALLY THE SECOND TIME ON THIS ORDINANCE OR THE FIRST TIME.
43 LEFT. THE FLUME SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED TO MOD TO BENEFIT ONE DEVELOPER AND CREATE MORE DENSITY AT THIS INTERSECTION AT LEAST. AND THIS WAS KIND OF MENTIONED, AT LEAST IF NOT, DID NOT RUBBERSTAMP THIS CHANGE, WHICH WOULD CREATE MORE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
AND ALSO GOING BACK TO THE STUDY AND YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP TO BUT THIS WHEN I READ IT ORIGINALLY, L TEAGUE'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE ALL KNOW WAS PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER, IS COMPLETELY SPECULATIVE.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, THERE'S SO MUCH SPECULATION, I SEE NOTHING.
YOU'RE NOT TYING ANYTHING DOWN.
I THINK WE NEED TIED SOMETHING DOWN PAPER.
TABLES WERE ABOUT 275 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, NOT A GARAGE.
AND I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP AGAIN ABOUT THE GARAGE.
I'M GLAD MR. SPRINGFIELD BROUGHT THAT UP, TOO.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIORITIES OF THIS AND THE MOD THIS WAS PASSED FOR.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THE GARAGE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE GARAGE.
IF YOU CAN'T TELL AND I THINK SOME OF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GARAGE, IF WE CAN TIE THE GARAGE DOWN IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND I'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT WHERE THAT GARAGE IS GOING TO GO IN THE NEXT TWO THINGS WE GET TO TALK ABOUT.
AND MR. SOLOMON DIDN'T GIVE HIS ADDRESS OR I MISSED IT.
THE OTHER PEOPLE I WORK THERE, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY DON'T LIVE OVER THERE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.
MAYBE MR. VALDES SOMETIMES BECAUSE HE'S LIVING OVER THERE OR GETTING READY TO LIVE OVER THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ORDINANCE 2022 16? SEEING NO ONE ELSE.
COMMISSIONER, WE COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
MR. MAYOR, JUST FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES OVER REBUTTAL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS PROJECT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED RGO OR ANY OTHER ZONING CATEGORY THAT IS NOT IN THE CITY.
YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF REVIEWS AND APPROVED SITE PLANS ARCHITECTURE CONCURRENCY APPLICATIONS.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THOSE OTHER NON ZONING CATEGORIES, YOUR CITY CODE SETS FORTH ALL THE PARAMETERS FOR CONCURRENCY, ALL OF THOSE REVIEWS.
I WANT TO MENTION THAT JUST QUICKLY.
ALSO WITH RESPECT TO THIS IS A UNIQUELY SITUATED PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SIZE OF PROPERTY.
SO I PROMISED MR. BROUDY I WOULD MENTION THAT TO YOU AS WELL.
AND I DON'T I WANT MR. PERRY TO COME UP HERE AND TELL YOU FROM HIS CONSTRUCTION EXPERIENCE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR MULTIFAMILY THAT ARE HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE THIS NEEDS A PARKING GARAGE.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TEN MULTIFAMILY UNITS AS A PRACTICAL MATTER.
BUT I WANT HIM TO TELL YOU THAT AS A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT.
SIR, IF YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
YES. JASON PERRY, NINE X 12 ON THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR MR. BROUDY AS MS. SMITH STATED. OBVIOUSLY DENSITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
WE THINK IT'S CERTAINLY A GOAL OF THE PROJECT TO BRING 275 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTS FOR DOWNTOWN ST AUGUSTINE, AS YOU SAW ON THE SITE PLAN, THE.
ALMOST HALF THE SITE IS TAKEN UP OF THE FIVE ACRES.
ABOUT HALF OF IT IS TAKEN UP WITH A PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE.
SO THAT LEAVES ABOUT THE OTHER HALF OF THE SITE TO DEVELOP THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON.
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DEVELOPMENT. SO WE MAY END UP WITH A PARKING GARAGE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S NEEDS OF ABOUT 400 PARKING SPACES JUST TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL NEEDS.AND YOU TAKE THAT AT $25,000 PER SPACE.
SO I THINK AS WE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE EXCUSE ME, WORKFORCE HOUSING, I THINK MR. BROUDY WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING THAT IF THERE WAS A PROGRAM IN PLACE TO HELP OFFSET THOSE COSTS.
BUT UNTIL THAT IS IN PLACE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS MARKET RENTS AND AVAILABILITY FOR MARKET RATES IS GOING TO AFFECT THE FINANCE ABILITY OF THE PROJECT, JUST GIVEN THE IMMENSE COST OF THE PROJECT TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE ON ORDINANCE 2022 16.
WE'VE COMPLETED PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? WELL. GO AHEAD.
MOTION. OH, THEN WAIT A MINUTE.
I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE AND WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE FAMILY.
MR. BROUDY, HIS FAMILY AND LEGACY.
AND WE ALL WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.
I, FOR ONE, AM A LITTLE BOTHERED TONIGHT TO FIND OUT THAT THERE'S A FALLBACK POSITION THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COULD ONLY BE A 200 PUBLIC SPACE PARKING LOT.
ALSO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE 50,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL PIN DOWN AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE 275 UNITS.
THAT'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE ISSUE AND A CAR ISSUE.
TO ME, THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALLOWING 5050 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS SO FAR IN ADVANCE OF ANYTHING WE'VE DONE IN THE CITY SO FAR.
THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN THAT 50 UNITS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO GO INTO THIS INTO THIS UNIT COMPLEX. IT? YES. THEIR PARKING GARAGES.
I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR HOW WE WOULD DO THIS, MR. REGAN. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A PROTRACTED QUESTION ON THIS, BUT IF IT'S A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE, WE WOULD BE FINANCING A PORTION OF THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? YES, THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE COMPONENT.
THERE IS ALSO GOING TO BE EITHER A SECTION OF THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE OR A SEPARATE STRUCTURE FOR THE PRIVATE NEEDS OF THE PROJECT, WHICH THE CITY WOULD NOT BE FINANCING OR FUNDING OR PAYING BACK.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT THE CITY'S TAKING ON A PORTION OF THE PRICE FOR THE PUBLIC, THEN THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN JUST A PARKING GARAGE.
IT SHOULD HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE WE NEED IT NOT AFFORDABLE, BUT WORKFORCE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE GET CONFUSED ON THIS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CAN AFFORD A REASONABLE 80, 85% OF AMI.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
AND THIS IS A PERFECT LOCATION FOR THEM.
SO I FEEL WORSE THAN WHEN I WALKED IN HERE TONIGHT ON THIS ISSUE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE.
THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED.
WAS IT THE PRIOR MEETING? THEY DID PUT IN WHAT WE REQUESTED TO PUT IN.
I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY NEW PROBLEMS. MAYBE WE'VE JUST MAYBE THERE'S JUST MORE AWARENESS ABOUT WHAT THIS AGREEMENT IS.
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SO I KNOW YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF IT UNRAVELS, WHICH YOU KNOW, IT VERY WELL COULD IT'S NOT WOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE.I MEAN, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE ON OTHER PIECES, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THE BEST WE CAN, YOU KNOW.
BROUGHT IN WHATEVER CHANGES WE CAN MAKE TO GIVE MORE CERTAINTY.
AND I KNOW I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH CERTAINTY TO.
BUT THIS IS THE BEST THAT THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR US.
SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD WISH WE COULD HAVE I WISH IF I COULD TURN THE CLOCK BACK, I WOULD HAVE RATHER NEGOTIATED FOR 60 FEET INSTEAD OF 65. BUT THAT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH, WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
SO THAT'S I ALSO DO WONDER ALSO ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR DISCOMFORT BECAUSE I FEEL IT MYSELF.
BUT IT IS WHAT WE HAVE AND IT'S THE BEST WE HAVE.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S READY TO MOVE ALONG AT THIS POINT.
COMMISSIONER BLONDER. OK I FEEL YOUR PAIN, ROXANNE.
BUT YOU SAY AUGUSTINE HAS LOTS OF CHALLENGES.
TWO OF THEM ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR A WORKFORCE.
HOUSING. THE OTHER ONE IS PARKING.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE A CAKE AND EAT IT, TOO.
WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER TO A LARGE DEGREE.
SO THIS IS AN EITHER OR IS NOT A CAKE AND EAT IT TOO, I'M AFRAID.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I WANT TO SUPPORT THAT PART OF IT.
AND THEY MAY NOT BE HARD, BUT THEY'RE CLOSE TO IT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THE BROUDY FAMILY.
THEY ARE DEVELOPERS, THEY'RE US.
AND THESE ARE ALL THE REASONS I HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS AND MOVE IT ALONG.
THIS IS A SINGULAR PROPERTY IN EVERY WAY, AND IT IS OUR MAYBE ONLY CHANCE TO FULLY ENACT THE VISION OF THE MOBILITY PLAN THAT WE ADOPTED IN MARCH.
COMMISSIONER VALDES OUTLINED QUITE A FEW OF THOSE, AND I THINK HE'S RIGHT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HOW BETTER? I MEAN, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
BUT THE MOBILITY PIECE IS SOMETHING THAT.
AND WE SIMPLY HAVE TO GET A GOOD CRACK AT IT.
AND THIS MAY BE OUR LAST BEST OPPORTUNITY.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SUPPORT AND PASS ORDINANCE 2022-16.
SECOND ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-16, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR SLUM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 5.51 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY US ONE NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND WEST KING STREET IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATIONS OF COMMERCIAL, MEDIUM INTENSITY AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TO A DESIGNATION OF MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, THE COMMISSIONERS FURTHER DEBATE.
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SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.BARBARA BLONDER. YES, TRACY UPCHURCH.
FOR THE MOBILITY? YES. THAT'S A YES.
THE ORDINANCE PASSES, COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE NOW ON ORDINANCE 20, 2217.
[8.A.2. Ordinance 2022-17: Rezones the property commonly known as Broudy Property from Commercial Medium-two (CM-2) and Industrial and Warehousing (IW) to Mobility Oriented Development (MOD). (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
YOU'VE HAD AN EXPLANATION FROM CITY STAFF.DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WOULD WISH TO ADD AT THIS JUNCTURE? NO, SIR. UNLESS THE CITY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS.
AND AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THE MEETING.
MR. MCCANCE, I THINK YOU INDICATE AN INTENT THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK.
AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THOSE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
MELINDA [INAUDIBLE] 86 MAGNOLIA AVENUE.
AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN AT THIS JUNCTURE.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR? FROM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. SINCE THIS IS ABOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, I WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT IT SEEMED TO ME THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ASK THAT WE PUT INTO THIS IS THAT NO DRIVE THRUS BE PUT IN.
AND I DID NOT IN READING THE ORDINANCE, I DID NOT SEE THAT WAS INCLUDED.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE THAT AMENDED AND PUT IN BEFORE YOU PASS IT.
AND I ALSO WANT TO AND I GUESS ALTHOUGH THE MOD IS VERY LIMITED IN WHAT USES CAN BE ALLOWED, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OPENS THE DOOR.
BUT SO AS FAR AS SINCE YOU'RE BEFORE YOU PASS THIS, I THINK YOU WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU ADD THE NO DRIVE THROUGH COMPONENT.
PLUS, I REMEMBER MAYOR UPCHURCH HAD WANTED TO BE SURE BEFORE THIS WAS PASSED THAT ALSO ALL THE PARTICULARS, SUCH AS HOW MANY CHARGING STATIONS? HOW MANY BIKE STATIONS? IN OTHER WORDS, THE DEFINITIONS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THIS CODE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE DEFINITIONS ADDED AS REQUESTED AS WELL.
AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL OF THAT BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY PASS IT INTO LAW.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU,[INAUDIBLE].
I CERTAINLY RECALL THE CONVERSATION.
I DON'T THINK I GET CREDIT FOR HAVING BROUGHT THAT UP.
BUT IS THIS MS. KALAIDI? YOU'RE. WELL, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
BJ KALAIDI, WEST CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE.
MS. KALAIDI? WHAT? DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE? IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? NO. I'M GOING TO LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.
I WON'T SAY WHAT I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW.
THIS PROPERTY SHOULD NOT BE RESIGNED TO MOD.
VOTE NO. THE WARRANTY DEED IN 2000.
TRANSFERRING 194 WEST KING STREET.
GOT IT IN 1998 AND THE ALTAR PLACE GOT HIS IN 2000.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL NEVER KNOW THIS.
HOPEFULLY THIS WAS NOT MR. MORTON'S VISION IN 1998.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? SEEING NO ONE ELSE.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS CLOSED.
YES. ONE POINT OF ORDER, MR. MAYOR. AS YOU AND THE COMMISSIONERS WELL KNOW, THE MOD ZONING CATEGORY IS INCORPORATED IS WRITTEN INTO THE
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CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A PWD, IT'S A EUCLIDEAN ZONING CATEGORY.
THANK YOU. MS. SKINNER I DO BELIEVE AND I SAW SOMEWHERE IN THE PACK, BUT CERTAINLY CANNOT IDENTIFY IT NOW.
YES, THAT LANGUAGE WAS AMENDED BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE TO THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.
TO THE CREATE TO THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THE ZONING DISTRICT.
THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU SO WE ARE WE'VE CREATED THE ORDINANCE ALREADY.
THAT'S WHERE THOSE AMENDMENTS LIKE.
AND NOW WE'RE HERE CONSIDERING WHETHER TO APPLY THE NEW ZONING CATEGORY TO THE BROWNIE.
THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER, COMMISSIONERS.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DEBATE.
SO MY QUESTION TO MS. SKINNER IS I DO RECALL ASKING ABOUT REQUIRED MINIMUM DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DEFINITIONS OF BIKE RACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S CORRECT WITH THE ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE WHICH TERMS NEED TO BE DEFINED AND COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH A FOLLOW UP ORDINANCE DEFINING ALL THOSE TERMS. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT QUESTION.
THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS SAYING NONE.
I WOULD MOVE THAT ORDINANCE 2022-17 YOU READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED ON SECOND READING, IS THERE SECOND? SECOND.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-17, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, REZONING APPROXIMATELY 5.51 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY US ONE NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD AND WEST KING STREET IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREIN AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TO CM TO AN INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING IW TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, CLASSIFICATION OF MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT MODE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE FURTHER DEBATE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 8A3, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
[8.A.3. PUBLIC HEARING: Development Agreement related to the Broudy Project development at the intersection of West King Street and Highway US1 (Ponce de Leon Boulevard). (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
MS. SKINNER HAS ALREADY DONE AN INTRODUCTION.IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS NOW WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
OTHERWISE, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. KALAIDI, YOUR'E RECOGNIZED.
BJ KALAIDI WITH CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE? THIS AGREEMENT, IF PASSED, BENEFITS THE DEVELOPER AND IS QUOTE MORE SEVERELY AGAINST, END QUOTE, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. ITEM NUMBER 16 PAGE SEVEN IS C1 B COVER YOUR BACK FOR THE DEVELOPER BEFORE THIS IS RAILROADED THROUGH RAILROADED THROUGH THE NOW.
THEREFORE, PAGE THREE SHOULD CLEARLY STATE AS ITEM ONE.
THE GARAGE, WHICH WILL BE NEXT TO HARTSHORN STREET MUST LET MUST LET ME REPEAT MUST BE CONSTRUCTED FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
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AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GREED VERSUS QUALITY OF LIFE CONTINUES TO DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.AND LOOKING AT THIS DONE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET THIS ONE.
I'LL JUST TALK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BACKUP STUFF.
THANK YOU. HOW CAN THAT BE? THEY'RE. OH, MY GOODNESS.
HMM. THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES NOT SHOW HOT STREET AND WEST KING STREET.
WHERE DID IT GO? IT USED TO BE RIGHT ALONG HERE.
DOESN'T SHOW IT ON THAT. SO WE GOT HEART.
I'M GOING TO CHECK WITH THE OLD GUY.
WHO PERMITTED THE TREES TO BE CUT DOWN IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS? I'LL HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP.
THE COMMENTS OF RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS, NOT JUST CRONIES, SHOULD BE RECORDED IN THE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES ANYBODY, [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE RECOGNIZED? FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FOR THE BROUDY PROJECT, BUT AS THEY SAY, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
THE MOD ORDINANCE READS INTERIOR BUILDINGS OR BUILDINGS OTHER THAN THOSE THAT FACING KING STREET ARE NOT REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING PLACEMENT. THAT'S RIGHT OUT OF THE MOD ORDINANCE YOU PASS.
THE PRESENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT READS AS THEY RELATE TO WEST KING STREET.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS SAYING.
NOR IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT REQUIRE BUILDINGS ON WEST.
IN THE NEW MOD ZONING CATEGORY PUTS HEIGHT LIMITS AT 65 FEET REGARDLESS OF LOCATION.
THAT MEANS 65 FEET CAN GO ON WEST KING.
THEREFORE, IT NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TONIGHT THAT HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG WEST KING WILL BE LIMITED TO 35 FEET AND SHALL BE STEPPED BACK TO NO MORE THAN 65 FEET IN THE REST OF THE PROJECT.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT USES ALLOWED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE ON PAGE ONE IT SAYS ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN THE PROPERTY MAY INCLUDE AND THEN BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE NOT LIMITED TO PHRASE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGREEMENT.
IT COULD OPEN THE DOOR FOR ALL KINDS OF USES THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE MOD.
ZONING SUCH AS THE KING'S AUTO REPAIR COULD STAY THERE.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAVE BEEN RAISED.
THE STAFF WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING YOUR PRESENT A DAILY CAR TRIPS IN THIS PACKET.
THE FLAW IN THE STUDY WAS THAT IT ASSUMED ONLY 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.
YET THE AGREEMENT AND MS. SMITH CONFIRMED IT, THAT THEY CAN BUILD UP TO 80%.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU NEED TO PUT THE 50,000 INTO THE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE, MR. SPRINGFIELD. THIS MAY SOUND VERY NITPICKY, ALTHOUGH I DON'T WANT TO BE NITPICKY.
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THERE IS A COMMENT IN THE IN THE DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE THE ACCESS FOR DOWNTOWN USE FOR THE BICYCLES AND FOR THE SHUTTLE. AND I THINK THAT IF EVERYBODY'S FUTURE DEVELOPS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND THEY ENVISION THAT WEST AUGUSTA MIGHT DEVELOP INTO ANOTHER SECTION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SHOP.I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS RESTRICTED A DEVELOPER ONLY CONSIDERING SHUTTLING TO THE DOWNTOWN AND JUST SOMETHING TO THROW OUT TO SATISFY THIS DESIGN ISSUE IS THAT I'M SURE THE CITY COMMISSION COULD PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS FOR PROJECTS SUCH AS MODS THAT THEY GET FINAL REVIEW THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO FOR MODS THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION SO THAT THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE A SOLUTION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SEEING NO ONE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
THE PARKING GARAGE SHUTTLE WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY, AND IF THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT GO TO WEST AUGUSTINE OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. THERE'S NOTHING PROHIBITING IT.
SO WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME AS SKINNER JUST TO CLARIFY THE REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THE SETBACK, THE 30%, ALL OF THOSE ISSUES, WHERE ARE THOSE FOUND IN THE DOCUMENT OR WHICH DOCUMENT ARE THEY FOUND IN? THOSE ARE IN THE CREATING ORDINANCE FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT.
OKAY. SO AS IT'S APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.
WE'RE ON QUESTIONS NOW OF STAFF OR DEBATE ON PAGE ONE.
IN THE RED SECTION THAT'S ON THE BROUDY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT SAYS THE OWNER SHALL MAKE BEST EFFORTS TO USE LOW IMPACT.
I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LOOSE.
I SUGGEST THAT WE JUST TAKE OUT THE WORD MAKE BEST EFFORTS.
AND JUST LET IT READ OWN OR SHALL USE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT PRINCIPLES, ETC.
MY SUGGESTION, AND I APPRECIATE THAT I'M NOT PREPARED TO IMPOSE A REQUIREMENT ON THIS DEVELOPER THAT'S NOT IMPOSED ON EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.
AND SO HE'S MADE REPRESENTATIONS TO US.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE MOVING TARGETS.
THE INDUSTRY'S CONSTANTLY CHANGING, AND I SIMPLY THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO PUT A BURDEN ON THIS DEVELOPER THAT DOES NOT EXIST, THAT THE SAME BURDEN IS NOT LAID UPON EVERY OTHER PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY.
HOW MANY PROJECTS DO WE HAVE AT 80% COVERAGE AT THIS SCALE WITH THE DENSITY? I ASSUME THAT'S A QUESTION TO IMPOSE WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS DIFFERENTLY.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO WERE SEEKING AN EXTRACTION FROM THIS DEVELOPER BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPOSING SOMETHING ON HIM.
THAT NUMBER ONE IS UNENFORCEABLE UNENFORCEABLE IS WILL FAIL FOR LACK OF CLARITY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO DEFINITIONAL TERMS FOR WHAT LOW IMPACT PLUMBING IS.
WE HAVE AN IDEA, BUT CERTAINLY NOTHING IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE.
WELL, I HAVE TO AGREE ON THAT POINT.
MR. VALDES, DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT? YES, I WOULD.
I'M STILL HUNG UP ON ARCHITECTURE AS USUAL.
DO WE SEE? I UNDERSTAND THE 30% MORE THAN THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE AND HEIGHTS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD BUILD A FACADE THAT'S 35 FEET TALL.
STEP BACK TEN FEET AND GO UP TO 65 FEET.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED AND I UNDERSTAND TERRACING VERY WELL.
WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING IT.
THE HOTEL BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW ON KING STREET.
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WE START OUT AT 30% OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.AND TRUST ME, IF YOU COULD DO THAT, YOU'LL DO IT.
BUT HOW FAR BACK IS THE NEXT STEP? BACK BEFORE THE NEXT INCREMENT AND HEIGHT INCREASE BEGINS? I MEAN, THIS IS ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WE'RE ASKED TO DO THIS NOW.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT IF IT'S ALREADY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIX AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT.
THE DESIGN STANDARDS DO REFERENCE.
IT'S THAT CONCEPT ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WITHIN THE FIRST 15 FEET, YOU NEED AT LEAST YOU ARE LIMITED IN HEIGHT TO 25 FEET BECAUSE AGAIN, COMING EAST, YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE VIEW SHED TOWARD THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN. SO RIGHT NOW THERE, IT'S JUST SAYS IT'S PROPORTIONAL.
THE ZONING DISTRICT SAYS IT'S PROPORTIONAL TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITH THE ENTRY QUARTER COMMITTEE HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER DICTATING WHAT THAT SETBACK COULD BE.
BASED ON THE DESIGN THAT IS THAT THEY'RE REVIEWING, OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND IT CAN'T JUST BE JUST A FRONT FACADE AT A CERTAIN DISTANCE AND THEN AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT AND THEN JUST IMMEDIATELY GOING HIGHER.
THE WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, THE FIVE PRONGED STREET HOTEL THAT IS BEING BUILT THAT THE FRONT PART IS IN THE KING STREET DESIGN CORRIDOR AND THEN THE BACK PART GOES UP HIGHER IS OUTSIDE OF THE CORRIDOR.
SO THEY MAINTAIN THE HEIGHT WITHIN THE KING STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
COMMISSIONER, I HAD A QUESTION FOR MS. LOPEZ ON THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO AN ORDINANCE TO GET FINAL REVIEW OF THE MOD CATEGORY? SURE. YOU COULD INCLUDE IT ALSO AS A CONDITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT AGAIN, YOUR PARTNER HAS TO WANT THAT AS WELL.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MS. AVERY SMITH'S CLIENT, IF THEY ARE WILLING TO HAVE THIS TWO STEP PROCESS OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, MEANING IT GOES TO ENTRY CORRIDOR FIRST AND THEN COMES TO YOU.
BUT CERTAINLY YOU COULD IF YOU'RE ASKING ME LEGALLY, COULD YOU? YES. OKAY.
THANK YOU. I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT AND IT PROMPTED BY A SPEAKER.
AND IT'S TRUE THAT IN THE FUTURE IT MAY NOT BE ONLY GOING INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE JUST TO SAY A PUBLIC SHUTTLE OR CIRCULATOR SYSTEM.
THANK YOU. A PUBLIC SHUTTLE OR CIRCULATOR SYSTEM SYSTEM OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY OR ITS ASSIGNS IN COORDINATION WITH THE OWNER.
SO YOU JUST WOULD LIKE TO DELETE THE PHRASE INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA? NO, THE PART OF THE PHRASE IT SAYS, WHICH MOVES INDIVIDUALS FROM THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE PARKING GARAGE INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
I'VE GOT IT ON PAGE ONE F SORRY, SAYING IT'S IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND YOU WANT IT CHANGED ON BOTH TO NOT SPECIFY DOWNTOWN AREA, JUST WHEREVER.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE PAGE ONE IS.
OF WHAT? WHAT PART OF THE PACKAGE? PAGE ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND I'M SORRY, SINCE I'M LOOKING AT A DIGITAL VERSION, IT'S NOT PAGINATED THE SAME WAY.
ITEM SEVEN TITLED PUBLICLY AVAILABLE GARAGE PARKING GARAGE.
YES. AND THE SAME OR SIMILAR LANGUAGE IS ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT F.
IT SPEAKS TO BIKE SHARE, CAR SHARE PROGRAMS FOR ACCESS INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO YOU'D LIKE BOTH TO BE CONSISTENT AND NOT SPECIFIC TO JUST DOWNTOWN.
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HOWEVER, IT'S PROGRAMED BY THE CITY.I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE TAKING OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE REST OF THE AREA THEY CAN WALK TO.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT NEED MOBILITY TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WELL, I THINK IT SIMPLY MAKES THE LANGUAGE MORE GENERAL.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A ROUTE THAT STOPS AT THIS STRUCTURE AND MIGHT RUN TO THE HOSPITAL, THAT MIGHT RUN OUT TO WEST AUGUSTINE AND A CLINIC AND ALL OVER THE FIRST ROUTE GOES DOWNTOWN.
IT'S NEVER BEEN THE INTENTION TO LIMIT IT ONLY TO GOING TO DOWNTOWN.
SO I AGREE WITH GETTING RID OF THE REFERENCE OF ONLY DOWNTOWN.
SO THE VICE MAYOR HAS MADE A MOTION TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE MAYOR'S SECOND SET.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON JUST THAT AMENDMENT? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
SO WE'VE AMENDED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THAT ONE REFERENCE.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. YES. MR. MAYOR, I WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE CONVERSATION AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY AND LOW IMPACT AND SO FORTH, AND JUST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER TO THINK ABOUT HOW SUCH FEATURES MIGHT NOT ONLY REALLY INCREASE THE MARKET VALUE AND MARKETING, BUT WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY PREPARE THE WHATEVER IS DEVELOPED THERE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TO BE MORE RESILIENT. SO THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE RISING SEA LEVELS AND WE DO HAVE INCREASING KING TIDES AND RAIN BOMBS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE MORE PERMEABLE SURFACES YOU'VE GOT, THE LONGER YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR PARKING AREAS OPEN AND ACCESS TO YOUR SHOPS AND RESIDENCES FREE.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS AMENDED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FROM THE VICE MAYOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT A LONG TIME IN COMING, AND WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS THERE ARE MANY STEPS, MANY AS THERE WOULD BE WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE.
SO WE HAVE WE WERE TAKING A MOMENTOUS STEP THIS EVENING.
BUT OF COURSE, THERE WILL BE OTHER STEPS ALONG THIS JOURNEY.
I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN GREAT COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN OWNER HERE, A PERSON THAT'S DEVELOPING HIS PROPERTY, WHOSE ROOTS ARE EXCEEDINGLY DEEP IN THE WEST SIDE, WHOSE FAMILIES DEDICATION TO THIS COMMUNITY IS FAR REACHING.
AND I DO TAKE GREAT COMFORT THAT THIS WILL BE A PROJECT THAT WILL MAKE BOTH THE BROUDY FAMILY PROUD. BUT I THINK THE ENTIRE CITY AND THE OTHER THAT COMMISSIONER BLONDER HAS CONSISTENTLY RETURNED TO IS THAT THIS IS A VISIONARY PROJECT.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS IS NEW, THAT THERE'S ALWAYS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF.
QUESTIONING THAT IN FACT WE HAVE DOTTED ALL THE I'S AND CROSSED ALL THE T'S.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE HAS BEEN THE VICE MAYOR, I THINK SECONDED.
IS THERE FURTHER DEBATE OR COMMENT SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS APPROVED.
COMMISSIONERS, AS IT'S YOUR DESIRE TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE NO MORE THAN A TEN MINUTE BREAK.
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SO WE WILL BE WE WILL RECONVENE AT 7:35.[8.A.4. Ordinance 2022-03: Proposed land use change from Residential Low Density Mixed Use to Residential Medium Density on the upland portion of the 42.36 acres referred to as Flagler Crossing including a Future Land Use Asterisk. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
I'D LIKE TO RECONVENE THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING WHERE ON ITEM EIGHT A FOR ORDINANCE 20 2203 AND JUST LIKE THE LAST MATTER, ORDINANCE 2022-04 AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.THE NEXT THREE ITEMS ARE RELATED TO THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.
MS. SKINNER. I'M ON GOOD EVENING.
THESE ARE THESE THREE ITEMS ARE RELATED TO THE FLAG.
THE CROSSING PROJECT LOCATED AT NORTHWEST OF THE NORTHTOWN WINN-DIXIE ON SAN SEBASTIAN VIEW.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN AMENDED ORDINANCE.
2022-03 TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY MIXED USE TO RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY FOR APPROXIMATELY 42 ACRES.
THE PROPOSED USE OF THIS PROPERTY HAS CHANGED FROM A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION APPROVED IN 2006 AND TO A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT OF EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE AND EXCUSE ME, WITH A MAXIMUM DEVELOPABLE NUMBER OF UNITS AT 336, THIS PROPOSED LAND USE WOULD ALLOW UP TO 16 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE AMENDED ORDINANCE INCLUDES A REFERENCE TO A SITE SPECIFIC CONDITION IN THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE AND ADDS AN ASTERISKS LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT TIES AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND AN INCLUDED COVENANT.
THE SECOND ITEM IS THE RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY IS THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 20 2204 TO CHANGE THE ZONING MAP DISTRICT FROM RESIDENTIAL LO ONE TO RESIDENTIAL GENERAL ONE FOR 42 ACRES.
THIS ZONING DISTRICT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USE CATEGORY.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE SEPTEMBER 26TH.
OF THE ADDITIONAL 180 UNITS PROPOSED WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, AMENDMENT AND REZONING.
THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, MS. SKINNER, AT THIS POINT? OK.
AT THIS JUNCTURE THEN I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE 2022-03.
THANK YOU. JIM SPRINGFIELD 6 ALTHEA STREET.
MY BACKGROUND IN HR SAYS THERE IS SOME DETAIL THAT WOULD CONCERN ME ON THIS, AND ONE WAS THE AUDITING OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID QUALIFY FOR LOW INCOME AND HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IT WOULD REQUIRE STAFF TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL INCOMES OF SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE MOVED IN.
THEREFORE, IT BECOMES PUBLIC RECORD.
THEY GET MARRIED NOW THEY HAVE ANOTHER INCOME.
THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INFLUX OF THAT.
AND THERE WAS REALLY NO DEFINITION OF HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO IT JUST, THOUGHT THERE'S SOME DETAIL THAT HAD TO BE CONSIDERED THERE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? MS. KALAIDI, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
AUGUSTINE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TO 2022-03 OR 04 BECAUSE I READ THEM BOTH.
I'M GOING TO PUT THIS ON 2022-03 AND SEE IF ANYBODY ANSWER QUESTION.
PAGE 211 OF 417, ALSO KNOWN AS 115 OF 239.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN FIND THAT.
MY QUESTION WAS WHY MOBILITY VARIANCE REQUESTS?
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WHY ARE THEY ASKING FOR A REQUEST? I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT.I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW IF THIS MEANS DEVELOPERS MOBILITY FEE WILL BE CHANGED.
THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD NOT BE PASSED.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VARIANCE AND WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT AND BIND OUR HOMES.
THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE RAILROAD VERY OBVIOUS CONSERVATION AREA AND ARSENIC CONTAMINATION BEFORE OR EVEN WHENEVER THEY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. SOMETHING WAS WRONG THAT THEY DIDN'T.
THAT THEY CHOSE TO, ANNEX IN, KNOWING THESE PROBLEMS WERE THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS VARIANCE, WHY THEY ARE REQUESTING THIS AND WILL THEY? I KNOW WE HAVE A MOBILITY FEE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO COVER WHATEVER THE ROADS ARE.
IT'S AN EFFORT TO DO SOMETHING SINCE WE DON'T HAVE IMPACT FEES.
SO WE ARE BEHIND THE BALL, SO TO SPEAK, THE EIGHT BALL WHERE THE THING IS, IN NOT DOING THIS AND NOW WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE, WHICH IS FINE, IT'S A BEGINNING, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ROAD PROBLEMS. SO WHY ARE THEY, AND IF THEY ARE GETTING A VARIANCE ON THE MOBILITY, IS IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE OR LET'S SEE IF THEY'LL ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION DURING PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE 2022-03? I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS AND SEEING NOBODY WISHING TO SPEAK, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I MISSED YOU, MR. ZEITS. [LAUGHTER] GOOD EVENING.
BILLY ZEITS, 502 ARRICOLA AVENUE.
AND TO THE MAYOR, I'M HONORED TO BE MISSED AND TO THE BOARD [LAUGHTER] ON A VERY EVENTFUL EVENING.
AND WE'RE THANKFUL TO BE HERE TO GIVE YOU THE PRESENTATION AND TO TAKE ANY FEEDBACK.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
IF WE NEED TO SWEAR THEM IN, LET'S DO THAT NOW.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU VERY MUC., MR. ZEITS, IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, WHY DON'T WE START WITH THAT.
WE'RE HERE WITH THE HARD WORK OF AN AMAZING STAFF OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE AND BY TAKING THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD.
I'M HERE FOR THE INTRO AND THE Q&A.
I WILL SAY THAT AS A DEVELOPER, WE'RE REALLY PROUD TO HAVE REMEDIATED THE SITE.
WE WERE AWARE THAT IT WAS CONTAMINATED.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DEP THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S GOING SWIMMINGLY, BUT WE'RE GETTING NEAR THE END AND THAT'S VERY EXCITING.
I DO ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT IN ADDITION TO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT WE WERE AWARE OF WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE'VE PLACED ADDITIONAL ACREAGE IN CONSERVATION THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND ESTABLISHED PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERWAY FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
SO YOU COULD USE THE WATERWAY TO COMMUTE IF YOU WANTED TO, OR WERE SO PHYSICALLY CAPABLE.
SO THIS PRESENTATION LOOKS A LOT LIKE WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
IT'S GOING TO BE A REVIEW OF WHAT WE HEARD AND HOW WE GOT HERE.
IT WILL ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS AND RENTAL QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED.
AND EACH TIME THE APPLICANT RENEWS THEIR LEASE, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE OUTCOME OF THOSE REVIEWS.
SO THAT WILL BE, ALL BE MANAGED BY A PRIVATE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
IN ADDITION, WE DID RECEIVE A MOBILITY VARIANCE FOR PARKING THAT WE WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING TO ALLOW FOR PARKING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR LEASE.
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THAT'S ALSO MANAGED BY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.BECAUSE OF THAT MOBILITY VARIANCE WERE IN EXCESS OF THE REQUIRED CITY AMOUNT OF PARKING BY, I BELIEVE, 38 SPACES, WHICH WILL WORK GREAT FOR VISITORS OR GUESTS WHO COME INTO THE COMPLEX THROUGHOUT, HOPEFULLY THE LIFESPAN OF THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU. FREMONT LATIMER, 34 CORDOVA STREET.
I'M WITH MARQUIS LATIMER AND HALBACK.
SO JUST TO ECHO SOME OF WHAT MR. ZEITS WAS SAYING, THIS IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY, IT'S A CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT YOUR AVERAGE GREEN FIELD.
SO YOU'LL SEE FROM THE AERIAL THAT YELLOW PORTION, THAT WAS ALL THE CONTAMINATED AREA.
THAT WAS THE OLD FLAGLER RAILROAD WITH THE VARIOUS CHEMICALS AND WHATNOT THAT WERE IN THE SOIL.
SO GETTING REALLY CREATIVE KIND OF WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS PART OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S THE TREE CONSERVATION WAS A BIG DEAL.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE DEDICATED CONSERVATION LANDS AND THE BUFFERS THAT ARE ALONG THE WATERWAY, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY DEP ANYWAYS, BUT THERE'S LARGE STANDS OF CONTIGUOUS TREES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, WHICH IS HARD TO DO.
IT'S REALLY TRICKY AS FAR AS GRADING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A VERY KIND OF UNIQUE AND CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW WHEN YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE TREES, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TREES THAT ARE DEPICTED ON THE LOWER, BELOW THE ORANGE SECTION OR THE SECTION ABOVE THE BORDERS US-1.
SO IT'S BELOW THE YELLOW SECTION.
SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT COLORS OF GREEN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT'S UP ON YOUR SCREEN.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S LITTLE MORE THAT'S INCLUDED.
THAT'S JUST POCKETS OF TREES THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPABLE PLOTS.
WE REMOVED SOME BUILDINGS IN ORDER TO SAVE.
THE BEST WOULD DO THIS IS TO SAVE CLUMPS AND CLUSTERS.
AND IT'S, AND I'LL HEAR FROM THE GUYS WHO ARE DOING THE LAND CLEARING.
IT'S A HUGE PAIN. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A MUCH BETTER PROJECT.
THERE'S OVER A MILE OF WALKING TRAIL THAT BRINGS YOU OUT TO THE MARSH.
IT'S NOT PAVED. IT'S ALL NATURAL MATERIALS.
SO IT'S KIND OF STICKING WITH WHAT I THINK OF AS THE ST.
WE DO HAVE THE WATER ACCESS, SO THERE'S ONE PUNCH THROUGH WITH THE DOCK.
SO NON MOTORIZED, IT'S ALL SILENT SPORTS.
THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EVERYWHERE WE'VE GOT THE THE DARK GREEN TREES.
THOSE ARE ALL CLUMPS LIKE LARGE STANDS OF EXISTING TREES.
SO YOU'LL SEE WE'RE BUFFERED ON THE EAST TO THE RAILROAD.
SO LOOKING AT THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
WE'VE GOT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, THEN WE HAVE THE COUNTY BUILDINGS.
SO WE ARE THE LEAST INTENSIVE USE IN THE AREA AND THE SAME GOES WITH THE ZONING.
SO WE'VE GOT CM2, AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND PUBLIC SERVICE SURROUNDING US ON ALL SIDES.
SO WHAT WE HEARD AND HOW WE'VE GOTTEN HERE.
SO WE FIRST CAME WITH A SITE PLAN ON VALENTINE'S DAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY TO HEAR THAT ON THAT DAY.
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT THAT POINT.
AND MS. HORVATH, YOU WERE VERY VOCAL ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE THAT IN THERE.
AND SO WE CAME BACK ON MAY 23RD WITH 36 UNITS AND LOOKING AT 90% OR 100% OF THE AMI, THERE IS NO MECHANISM CURRENTLY IN PLACE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY.
SO WE WERE COMING UP WITH THIS AS WE'RE GOING ALONG AND DUE TO THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM YOU, WE CAME BACK AGAIN ON SEPTEMBER 26TH WITH 50 UNITS AND 85. NOW THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T ARBITRARY.
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WE TRIED TO DIG INTO THEM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD FIT ONE WITH THE FINANCE ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY.SO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE, BECAUSE THE TWO GO HAND IN HAND, RIGHT? THE LESS THE RATES AND THE GREATER THE UNITS.
BUT 85% OF AMI MATCHES WHAT SOMEONE IN A PUBLIC SERVICE JOB, ENTRY LEVEL PUBLIC SERVICE JOB CAN PAY IN ORDER TO GET RENT AND THEN 50 UNITS.
WHEN WE DID THE MATH, THAT'S WHERE WE HIT THE FINANCE ABILITY LEVEL FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE CAN GET 50 UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT.
SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S REALLY WELL WRITTEN.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
I THINK MR. SPRINGFIELD HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT INCOME RESTRICTIONS AND HOW WE VERIFY THAT.
THAT'S ALL CODIFIED WITHIN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
KIND OF THOUGHT THROUGH THAT NOT ONLY ON HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED, BUT THEN HOW IT GOES FORWARD, BOTH WITH THE REPORTING AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S FAIR, IN THE FUTURE.
AND I'M GOING TO BRING MS. RUIZ FORWARD BECAUSE SHE KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO SO SHE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE SPECIFICS.
GOOD EVENING, STACI REWIS, 1 INDEPENDENT DRIVE, SUITE 1200, JACKSONVILLE, 32202.
WITH DRIVER, MCAFEE, HAWTHORNE AND DIEBENOW.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING US BACK.
WE'VE GONE BACK AFTER OUR LAST MEETING AND LOOKED AGAIN THROUGH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PACKAGE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING BACK TO YOU THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE 50 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS DEFINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT AN 85% AMI.
SO WHAT I CAME IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AFTER DISCUSSIONS STARTING IN FEBRUARY, AS FAR AS THE BOARD'S WANTING TO SEEK AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PERCENTAGE WITHIN THIS PROJECT, WHAT WAS, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS AN INCREASE IN DENSITY TO ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL 180 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THE PROJECT.
AND THOSE, AS WE CAN SEE, KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM, THE SIX BUILDINGS.
AND SO A LOT OF QUESTIONS CAME UP WHAT IS AFFORDABLE MEAN AND WHAT HOW MANY UNITS? AND AS MR. LATIMER JUST WENT THROUGH, IT WAS A PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT BEST MEETS THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS ALSO WITH THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMING IN ORIGINALLY AT ALL MARKET RATE.
SO WORKING WITH MS. LOPEZ, WE'VE DONE KIND OF A HIERARCHAL TYPE STRUCTURE WHERE YOU HAVE A PLAN AMENDMENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU WITH A PROPOSED ASTERISKS ON THE MAP THAT WOULD LIMIT OR PUT A CAP ON THE PROJECT AS FAR AS YOU HAVE TO HAVE 50 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AS PROVIDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO IF THESE, THIS DEVELOPER DOES NOT PROVIDE THAT THERE ARE LEGAL ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS THAT THE CITY CAN DO TO GO FORWARD, BUT IF IT WANTS TO IN ANY WAY OR IN THE FUTURE, SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN AND REDUCE THAT 50 UNITS, THAT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BACK BEFORE YOU THROUGH THE HEARING PROCESS AND THROUGH THE STATE REGULATORY PROCESS OF 163.
TO ADD AN EXTRA LAYER, MS. LOPEZ REQUESTED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND SO WE HAVE PROFFERED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT MEETS NOT JUST YOUR YOUR CITY STANDARD FOR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT ALSO CHAPTER 163 THAT REQUIRES ANNUAL REPORTING AND OTHER THINGS BEFORE SO THAT THE STATES MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE KEPT APPRIZED, THAT IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING YOU FILE AWAY.
SO IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE FIRST IS, IT IS CREATING A SET OF COVENANTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY STATUTE CAN ONLY BE 30 YEARS.
WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO CREATE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT WOULD LAST LONGER THAN 30 YEARS.
SO WE HAVE RECREATED A COVENANTS THAT HAS, PRIOR TO ANY VERTICAL BUILDING PERMITS BEING CONSTRUCTED, WE HAVE TO RECORD COVENANTS WHICH REQUIRE 50 OF THE UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY CAN BE DEVELOPED ANYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY WILL THEY MUST MEET THE SAME FIT, FINISH AND FACADE AS ANY OF THE OTHERS.
SO ANYBODY WALKING INTO THIS PROJECT WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THOSE UNITS WILL BE.
IT ALSO REQUIRES ALL INCREASED UNITS OF THE 180 TO BE A FOR RENT PRODUCT.
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NO CONDOMINIUM OWNERSHIP IS ALLOWED AND IT STARTS TO BEGIN TO SET THE PARAMETERS AS FAR AS WHAT THE RENTAL RATE AS WELL AS THE INCOME CAN BE.IT ALSO REQUIRES ANNUAL REPORTING.
AND SEE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN INCLINATION, WE DID NOT FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH BECAUSE MATH IS A FOREIGN LANGUAGE TO ME TO COME UP WITH HOW YOU CREATE THE 85% AMI.
BUT IT COMES FROM A STATE, THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE, AND IT IS, IT'S UPDATED EVERY YEAR TO REFLECT CURRENT INFLATION TO TO BASICALLY REFLECT THE CURRENT POPULATION AS WELL AS THE INCOME LEVELS.
MS. REWIS, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING YOU'RE SHOWING US, WE'RE NOT SEEING IT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE CHART THAT WE WOULD GO TO EACH YEAR TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT 85% AMI IS.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE INCOME LIMIT BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN A HOUSEHOLD.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT ARE THE NUMBER OF BEDROOM UNITS WHICH YOU WILL USE.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS VERY SPECIFIC THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS ARE AND WHAT THE RATE IS, WHAT THE RENTAL RATE IS. BUT WE'RE ALSO INTERESTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS A CERTAIN CLASS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT THAT GET TO THAT 85%.
SO JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, FOR 2022, USING THAT CHART, A ONE BEDROOM UNIT AT MARKET RATE IS $1,850 IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
IF YOU USE AN 85% AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME, WHICH IS PROPOSED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU WOULD GET APPROXIMATELY $517 DISCOUNT ON THAT RENTAL UNIT FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, AN INDIVIDUAL HAS TO HAVE AN 85% AMI FOR INCOME.
SO THAT MEANS LET'S JUST KEEP IT AS ONE BEDROOM, WHICH MEANS ONE PERSON, LIKELY THE INCOME, THE QUALIFYING INCOME OF THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE $49,000. AND IF YOU COMPARE THAT WITH OTHER SIMILAR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPE PROGRAMS IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES, IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF A MODERATE INCOME LEVEL VERSUS A VERY LOW INCOME LEVEL TYPE INDIVIDUAL.
SO WE HAD WE HEARD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ANNUAL REPORTING.
AS MR. ZEITS SAID, THERE WILL BE A A MANAGEMENT COMPANY ON BOARD.
AND SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD PROVIDE BASICALLY A SPREADSHEET, A MANAGEMENT COMPANY WOULD, THAT SHOWS OUT OF THE 50 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE PROVIDED, HOW MANY ARE ARE RENTED OUT RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY ARE VACANT.
AND THEN OF THOSE 50 THAT ARE RENTED OUT, WHAT WAS THE RENTAL RATE AT THE TIME? IT WAS A EXECUTED FROM A RENTAL AGREEMENT AS WELL AS THE INDIVIDUAL'S INCOME.
THE RENTAL RATE AND THE INCOME ARE LOOKED AT ONCE WHEN YOU SIGN THE LEASE FOR A YEAR AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO RE-UP, IT'S LOOKED AT AGAIN, THE INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF RENTERS AS WELL AS THE RENT, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND IT'S STATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL BE REDACTED.
SO INDIVIDUALS, PERSONAL SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, EVEN THEIR NAMES WILL NOT BE CONTAINED IN THERE.
THERE'S ALSO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ASSURE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL 180, 50 OF THEM ARE AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE, WHICH WOULD BE 85% AMI BOTH ON THE RENTAL RATE AND ON THE INCOME LEVEL.
AND WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG EVENING AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. ZEITS.
WELL, THANKS TO MY TEAMMATES AGAIN FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE PRESENTATION AND DELIVERING IT.
THERE'S REALLY TWO CRITICAL FACTORS.
ONE IS TIMING AND TWO IS INVENTORY.
AND NOBODY HAS ANY INVENTORY AND IT TAKES QUITE A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS.COMMENTS. IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022-03 ON SECOND READING, READ BY TITLE ONLY. OH, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SORRY. DID WE NOT ALREADY DO PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH, WE DID PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT'S CLOSED ON THIS ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE TWO MORE OPPORTUNITIES, THOUGH.
SO YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION FROM THE VICE MAYOR.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO RECLASSIFY A PARCEL OF LAND CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 42.36 UPLAND ACRES LOCATED WEST OF THE FEC RAILWAY, SOUTH OF SAN SEBASTIAN VIEW AND EAST OF THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER IN THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. AND BEING MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY MIXED USE TO RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, INCLUDING A SITE SPECIFIC CONDITION THAT REQUIRES A NUMBER OF THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS BE AFFORDABLE AS DEFINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS AN ASTERISKS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND PROVISIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU. FURTHER DEBATE OR COMMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I, WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN HERE AND WE APPRECIATE THE APPLICANTS HEARING US OUT.
I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE COULDN'T GET EVEN MORE, BUT I RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S BASICALLY ZERO INVENTORY FOR RENTAL AND MULTIFAMILY AND THE FACT THAT WE WILL GET SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SEEING NONE THEN, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 8.A.5, WHICH IS ORDINANCE 2022-04.
[8.A.5. Ordinance 2022-04: Amends the Zoning of 42.36 upland acres referred to as Flagler Crossing from Residential Low-One (RL-1) to Residential General-One (RG-1) on the upland portion of the property only. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
YOU HAVE HEARD STAFF'S EXPLANATION.THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY. I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ORDINANCE 2022-04.
SEEING NO ONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022-04 READ BY TITLE AND PASS.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-04, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 42.36 UPLAND ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED WEST OF THE FCC RAILWAY, SOUTH OF SAN SEBASTIAN VIEW AND EAST OF THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER IN THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE IS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF RESIDENTIAL LOW-ONE (RL-1) TO THE CLASSIFICATION OF RESIDENTIAL GENERAL-ONE (RG-1) PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. LOPEZ, DO WE HAVE TO DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? YOU DO INDEED.
SO LET'S DO THAT AT THIS JUNCTURE BEFORE WE VOTE.
I'VE CERTAINLY SPOKE TO MR. ZEITS ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER.
I'M UNAWARE THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO ANYBODY ELSE.
ALL COMMUNICATION WOULD BE IN MY CITY EMAIL BOX IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL.
DITTO. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. ZEITS TWICE IN THE PAST MONTH OR SO.
I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. ZEITS, AND MELINDA RAKONCAY.
I FEEL LEFT OUT. I'VE SPOKEN TO NO ONE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WE'RE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
[8.A.6. PUBLIC HEARING: Development Agreement related to the provision of Affordable Housing as part of the Flagler Crossing development. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
AGAIN, STAFF HAS ALREADY ADDRESSED IT.AND I'M SORRY, MS. KALAIDI, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
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BJ KALAIDI, WEST CITY OF ST.AUGUSTINE. I DO APPRECIATE MR. ZEITS ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS AND THE QUESTION I HAVE ON THIS ONE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, WHOEVER'S GOING TO BE DOING THIS.
JOHN'S COUNTY MONTHLY RENTAL RATE AND NOT THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE MONTHLY RENTAL RATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO AMOUNTS OF MONEY AS FAR AS FIGURING WHO IS GOING TO QUALIFY FOR THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE SAYING ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY INSTEAD OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE MONTHLY RENTAL RATE.
AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A SIGN TO DEVELOPERS LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS HERE EARLIER THAT YOU CAN BRING UP AND WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING, NOT ONLY FOR THE MONEY BUT FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING HERE AND WHO MAY BE COMING HERE TO LIVE TO AFFORD THIS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE REALM IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY THAT DON'T EVEN, WELL CANNOT EVEN QUALIFY FOR THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEGINNING.
SO THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE IN PROBABLY THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS AND I DO NOT SEE ANYBODY.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
MS. SKINNER, ANYTHING TO ADD? I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT QUESTION.
THE FAIR MARKET RATES ARE BY ZIP CODE, AND SO THE CITY OF ST.
COMMISSIONERS. I MOVE THAT WE PASS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO MR. ZEITS AND YOUR TEAM AND MS. SKINNER. IT'S BEEN A LONG COUPLE OF MEETINGS FOR YOU, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. AND TO THE MAYOR AND THE BOARD.
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AREN'T DONE IN A MINUTE.
SO YOUR OFFICE OF YOUR LEGAL TEAM AND MS. LOPEZ HAVE BEEN REALLY CRITICAL IN US GETTING BACK HERE IN A TIMELY FASHION.
AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THEM ON THE GREAT.
[8.A.7. Ordinance 2022-30: Repeals and amends Ordinance 2022-25 to amend the city's open burning policy. (R. Thibault, Assistant City Attorney) ]
POLICY. THIS IS HERE ON SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.MS. LOPEZ I THINK WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT A VERY BRIEF COMMENT AS TO OUR ACTION TONIGHT.
YES, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WAS REQUIRED DUE TO STATE PREEMPTION AND THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, ITS FIRE SERVICE FOLKS LET US KNOW THAT THEY WERE REQUIRING US TO STRIKE CERTAIN PORTIONS OF OUR RECENTLY ADOPTED OPEN BURN ORDINANCE.
I WOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE 2022-30.
I KNOW THAT THE FORCE PLACE PREEMPTED YOU AND WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT CAN YOU BE SUCCINCT AND SAY OUT LOUD, DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD UP THERE, CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION? WHAT WAS NOT PERMITTED IN ORDINANCE 2022-25 THAT IS NOW PERMITTED IN ORDINANCE 2022-30? WHAT IS THE BIG CHANGES THAT WAS DONE? CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN THAT AND SAY ONE, TWO, THREE? IS THAT HARD TO DO? OR JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE PREEMPTED DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION.
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DO IT AND THEN YOU CALL THEM BACK AGAIN ANOTHER TIME.SO IT IS HAPPENING IN THE CITY LIMITS.
MAYBE NOT WHERE YOU LIVE, BUT IN WHAT CITY IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING.
SO THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS, THAT YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SMOKE AND THE WIND AND ALL THAT.
SO CAN ANYONE SAY WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THESE TWO ORDINANCES? THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? SEEING NO ONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED? MS. LOPEZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR A BRIEF EXPLANATION.
WE ARE PREEMPTED, SO WE HAD TO STRIKE IT THROUGH.
AND SO THEREFORE THOSE THINGS ARE RESERVED BY STATE LAW TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY.
SEEING NONE I WOULD MOVE ORDINANCE 2022-30 BE READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED.
SECOND. I AM SCROLLING FURIOUSLY, MORE SCROLLING.
THERE I AM. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-30, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, RELATING TO FIRE PREVENTION AND PROTECTION, PROHIBITING OPEN BURNING, REPEALING AND AMENDING PORTIONS OF CHAPTER 18, ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 1876 OF THE CODE PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 9.A.1 AS WELL AS AND PERHAPS MR.
[9.A.1. Ordinance 2022-31: Amends the Future Land Use Map (FLUM) designation of 110 Carver Street East from Residential Low Density to Recreation/Open Space. (D. Birchim, Assistant City Manager) ]
BIRCHIM YOU CAN DO INTRODUCTION OF BOTH ITEMS 9.A.1 AND 9.A.2, WHICH ORDINANCE IS 2022-30 AND 2022-32.MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS DAVID BERTRAM.
ORDINANCE 2022-31 AMENDS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR 110 CARVER STREET EAST FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY TO RECREATION OPEN SPACE WITH THREE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
ONE IS TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS ON THIS PROPERTY.
LET ME BACK UP. THIS IS THE YACHT CLUB SAILING CENTER PROPERTY THAT WE JUST OBTAINED TITLE TO.
ESTABLISH A 25% MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE.
AND ESTABLISH A 15 FOOT MAXIMUM BUILDING SETBACK ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THOSE WOULD BE SITE SPECIFIC ASTERISKS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION.
BOTH OF THESE ORDINANCES ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE WARRANTY DEED, WHICH WAS RECORDED ON AUGUST 23RD, WHICH TRANSFERRED TITLE OF THIS PROPERTY TO THE CITY.
AND THIS ALIGNS THE LAND USE AND ORDINANCE TO THE NEIGHBORING LIGHTHOUSE PARK.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
AND IT'S ALSO IN CONFORMITY WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WE STRUCK WITH MR. PARIS AND THE YACHT CLUB.
I WOULD MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022-31 ON FIRST READING, READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED.
SECOND. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-31, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.38 ACRES LOCATED AT 110 CARVER STREET EAST IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREIN AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY TO A DESIGNATION OF RECREATION OPEN SPACE WITH SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HORVATH? YES. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BERTRAM. THE BLOCK COVERAGE, AS IT IS NOW WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, IS HOW MUCH? THE EXISTING LOT COVERAGE IS 25% MAXIMUM.
UNDER THE RS 1. THIS IS A CONFORMING RS 1LOT.
SO THE EXISTING LOT COVERAGE IS 25% MAXIMUM.
I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS WHAT IS THE COVERAGE NOW WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING?
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OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M SORRY.SO THEY CAN ENLARGE THE BUILDING.
THEY CAN. BUT THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WAS PASSED HAVE NOT BEEN SIGNED YET.
DID IDENTIFY THE MAIN STRUCTURE AT THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE AUDIENCE PASSES ON FIRST READING MR. BIRCHIM HAS ALREADY EXPLAINED ORDINANCE 2022 TO 32.
[9.A.2. Ordinance 2022-32: Amends the zoning of 110 Carver Street East from Residential Single Family-one (RS-1) to Government Use (GU). (D. Birchim, Assistant City Manager) ]
I WOULD MOVE THAT IT BE READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED ON FIRST READING, SECOND ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022 32 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 0.38 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 110 CARVER STREET EAST PARCEL ID NUMBER 1587300080 IN THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ONE R.S.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DEBATE? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
YES, I MADE THE MOTION AND THE VICE MAYOR SECONDED.
NANCY SIKES-KLINE? YES. BARBARA BLONDER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE ORDINANCE PASSES.
COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 9A3, WHICH IS ORDINANCE 2022 33.
[9.A.3. Ordinance 2022-33: Amends an existing Planned Unit Development (PUD) at 333 South Ponce de Leon Boulevard (Sebastian Hotel) to include dormitories as a permitted use. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THEREFORE I WOULD ASK THE VICE MAYOR TO CHAIR THE MEETING AT THIS JUNCTURE.I ALSO HAVE THE SAME CONFLICT OF INTEREST, SO I WILL LEAVE THE ROOM AS WELL UNTIL IT'S FINISHED.
ALL RIGHT, THEN. WELL, OKAY, SO THE SKINNER YOU ARE ON? YES. GOOD EVENING. THE PROJECT IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE PCB REVIEWED THIS ITEM AT THEIR OCTOBER 4TH MEETING AND RECOMMENDED THE CHANGE TO THE PWD, INCLUDING UPDATING THE LANGUAGE IN THE PARKING SECTION OF THE PWD TO RECOGNIZE THAT IF IF USED AS A DORM, SOME STUDENTS MAY PARK OFFSITE AT THE FLAGLER COLLEGE PARKING GARAGE ON MALAGA STREET, DEPENDING ON THE PARKING REQUIRED.
THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING, AND I'M AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. WE CAN HEAR FROM I, I WILL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
MADAM MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, HOLD ON.
SORRY. MARIN, CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
JUST. WE CAN'T SEE IT UP HERE.
OK JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, ELLEN AVERY SMITH, ROGERS TOWER'S 100 WATT STONE PLACE HERE IN ST.
AUGUSTINE. AND WITH ME TODAY ARE THREE FOLKS FROM FLAGLER COLLEGE, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS APPLICATION, JOHN DELANEY, LAURA STEVENSON, AND BETH SWEENY. AND SO WE CAN CALL ON ONE OR ALL OF THEM IF WE NEED TO HAVE THEIR EXPERTISE.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE HELP FROM YOUR FRIENDS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE NOT TECHNICALLY EFFICIENT.
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AGAIN, I'VE GONE OVER THAT.JUST A GENERAL LOCATION MAP FOR THIS PROPERTY.
I CALL IT THE TRIP HOTEL PROPERTY.
IT'S WHERE THE SAN SEBASTIAN HOTEL SITS RIGHT NOW AT 333 SOUTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD.
THE COLLEGE IS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH HAS A CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF LOW DENSITY MIXED USE, WHICH ALLOWS THE ADDITION OF THE DORMITORY USE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
SO NO FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE IS NEEDED.
IT WAS APPROVED BY YOUR CITY COMMISSION GOING ON 15 YEARS AGO.
AND SO REALLY THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING APPROVED PAD WOULD BE TO CHANGE THE NAME FROM REVERSE VIEW HOTEL TO REVERSE VIEW HALL, ADD A PERMITTED USE OF DORMITORY TO ALLOW FLAGLER COLLEGE TO HOUSE EXISTING STUDENTS.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STUDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY ATTENDING FLAGLER COLLEGE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY THE COLLEGE NEEDS ADDITIONAL STUDENT HOUSING IN JUST A MINUTE.
THE IDEA IS TO LEAVE IN PLACE THE EXISTING HOTEL BUILDING.
SO NO CHANGES TO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SITE PLAN, NO CHANGES TO THE EXTERIORS OF THE BUILDINGS OTHER THAN MAYBE PAINTING THEM, ADDING LANDSCAPING, THAT KIND OF A THING, BUT LEAVING THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN PLACE AND THEN PROVIDING THE OPTION TO CONVERT THE HOTEL ROOMS INTERIOR TO DORMITORY ROOMS, AGAIN, WITH NO ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
THEY HAD TO BUILD A BULKHEAD ALONG THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER.
AND SO JUST AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T EVEN RECREATED THE SITE PLANS.
THESE ARE LITERALLY THE 2007 SITE PLANS BY WHICH THE EXISTING HOTEL WAS APPROVED.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
JUST SHOWING YOU AGAIN, NOTHING IS CHANGING.
THE PARKING LOT CONFIGURATION STAYS THE SAME, BUILDING CONFIGURATION, EVERYTHING.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE.
THESE PLANS WERE APPROVED IN OH SEVEN BY THE CITY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.
THE ARCHITECTURE DOES NOT CHANGE.
SO THESE ARE THE EXISTING PLANS THAT ARE IN THE EXISTING PWD ARE NOT CHANGING AT ALL.
AND I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THESE AND THE EXISTING ORDINANCES IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE.
SO I THINK THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DESPERATE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STUDENT HOUSING FOR THE EXISTING STUDENTS AT THE COLLEGE BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF REASONS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF VACATION RENTALS IN LINCOLNVILLE AND DOWNTOWN, WHICH ARE TAKING AWAY WHAT USED TO BE STUDENT HOUSING THE APART, THE FEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN ALL THEIR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT ARE IN TOWN ARE COMPLETELY BOOKED AND ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
THAT'S WHY MR. ZEITZ WAS HERE EARLIER.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL OF IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE AT THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY RIGHT NOW, SO THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE FOR THE COLLEGE TO ADD. STUDENTS, AGAIN, MAKING NO EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDINGS, ALLOWING FOR SOME REPAINTING, RE LANDSCAPING, ADDING FENCING IF IT'S NEEDED FOR SECURITY.
THERE WILL BE ONSITE SECURITY.
AND THEN AGAIN, BASED ON PCB COMMENT, AGAIN, THE EXISTING PARKING LOT WILL STAY THE SAME.
BUT IF THE CODE REQUIRES MORE PARKING BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, TWO STUDENTS ARE IN A ROOM, THEN THE ADDITIONAL PARKING CAN BE PROVIDED AROUND THE CORNER AT THE MALAGO STREET GARAGE, WHICH THE FLAGLER COLLEGE ALREADY OWNS AND IS NOT EVER AT CAPACITY.
SO THAT'S WAS AN AGREEMENT REACHED WITH PCB AND THE TEXT HAS BEEN MODIFIED BASED ON THAT.
SO AGAIN, THERE IS A GREAT NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STUDENT HOUSING BECAUSE OF AFFORDABILITY AND JUST AVAILABILITY FOR STUDENTS. THE PWD ALLOWS MORE NEAR CAMPUS HOUSING AND ACTUALLY MOVE SOME OF THE STUDENTS OUT OF THE CITY CENTER, IF YOU WILL.
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14TH. AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE EXPERTS FROM THE COLLEGE TO TALK ABOUT ENROLLMENT, STUDENT HOUSING, WHATEVER ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT.COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? JUST AS I HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC READING.
THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING.
ALL RIGHT. OH. BUT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
RELUCTANCE TO IT IS THE FACT THAT IT GOES OFF OF OUR TAX ROLLS.
AND I THINK THAT GINA MANGAS WAS HERE EARLIER.
AUGUSTINE. AND SHE I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S AN ONGOING DEBATE ABOUT FLAGLER COLLEGE AND WHAT'S ON THE.
AND NOT JUST FLAGLER COLLEGE CHURCHES OTHER USES THE NEW PACKHOUSE.
I MEAN, EARLIER WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE STUDENTS WORK AT LOCAL BUSINESSES.
THEY BRING MONEY INTO OUR ECONOMY.
THEIR PARENTS BRING MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY.
SO THERE IS REALLY A QUID PRO QUO.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLENTY OF HOTELS BEING BUILT IN TOWN.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NEW HOTELS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
AND HOPEFULLY WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE MOVING HERE AND THE COST OF THE HOUSING GOING UP, YOU'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY CAPTURE A LOT IN YOUR TAX BASE JUST FROM RAISING RISING REVENUES AND BECAUSE OF PROPERTY VALUES.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU SOME COMFORT.
HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE ALREADY LIVING IN THAT BUILDING? YOU HAVE 95 UNIT FOR 95 ROOMS. JOHN DELANEY, PRESIDENT OF FLAGLER COLLEGE ON KING STREET.
SO WE HAVE RENTED 51 ROOMS AT THAT SEBASTIAN HOTEL.
IT WAS REALLY AN EMERGENCY BASIS THAT HOUSES.
WE'VE GOT SOME RESIDENT ADVISORS IN THERE, SO SOME OF THE ROOMS ARE SINGLE.
OKAY. SO, YEAH, I, I HAVE A COMMENT AND BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO SECOND READING, MY COMMENT IS IS WELL BEFORE YOU HOLD.
I HAVE COMMENTS TO OR YOU MAKE A MOTION AFTER THAT.
ALL RIGHT, GREAT THEN. BUT THIS IS A DIRECT OUTCOME WITH THE IMPACTS OF VACATION RENTAL.
NOW, FLAGLER COLLEGE OFFSETS THIS LACK OF PAYING TAXES IN SO MANY WAYS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE WAYS IT DID IT.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THIS IS A NECESSITY FOR THEM.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO HOUSE THEIR STUDENTS.
AND THIS IS LOGICAL. I ONLY HOPE THEY JUST PAINT THE BUILDINGS A DIFFERENT COLOR.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T SEE WHERE THEY HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD.
AND OF COURSE, WE'RE ALWAYS MINDFUL OF LOSING THINGS FROM THE TAX ROLLS.
I WAS I WAS ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THIS WAS ONE OF THE HEARINGS WAS APPROVED.
SO I DO REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION AND ONE OF THE REASONS TO JUSTIFY BECAUSE IT WAS A CONTROVERSY, JUST LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE ON NEW HOTELS, BIG, TALL ONES LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT IS VERY TALL, ABOVE 35 FEET.
SO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO HERE IT COMES OFF THE TAX ROLLS AND WE CERTAINLY DO SUPPORT THE COLLEGE AND WE SUPPORT THE GOOD WORK THAT THE COLLEGE DOES. BUT I DID LOOK IT UP.
IT'S THE CITY'S PORTION OF WHAT COMES OFF THE TAX ROLL LAW.
TAX LAWS PER YEAR WOULD BE ON THE AD VALOREM WOULD BE $32,000 A YEAR.
OF COURSE, THAT'S ONLY THE CITY'S PORTION.
THE COUNTY'S PORTION IS MUCH PROBABLY TWO THIRDS, ANOTHER TWO THIRDS.
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AGAIN, AS MUCH OF THAT WHICH WE DO CARE ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY WHAT THE COUNTY'S TAX LOSSES ARE AS WELL, BECAUSE WE DO COST SHARE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THEM.THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE CITY THAT WE NEED THEM TO DO FOR US.
THE LOSS TO BED TAX IS GOING TO BE, WE ESTIMATE TO BE ABOUT 242,000 A YEAR. AND THAT'S THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT LOSS.
SO THERE ARE ASSOCIATED IMPACTS WITH THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE OF ABOUT WHAT THE COLLEGE IS INTERESTED IN DOING IN THE WAY OF PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND I HAVE A SUGGESTION, ACTUALLY, AND IT RELATES TO MOBILITY, WHICH THIS REQUEST IS REALLY ALL OVER. THERE'S A LOT OF MENTIONS ABOUT MOBILITY.
IT'S YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE SHUTTLE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE IS INTERCONNECTIVITY.
AND THAT IS WITHIN THE AREAS WITHIN THE PD.
AND AND YOU REMEMBER THIS AND TWO AREAS CONNECTING OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.
SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THERE IS AN AREA.
CAN I CAN WE PUT THE MAP UP AGAIN? POSSIBLY. AND THE PRESENTATION THAT THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN.
THERE IS A UNOPENED RIGHT OF WAY, ACTUALLY, WHERE THERE WAS AN IT'S NOT REALLY A ROAD, IT'S AN OUT.
IT SHOULD. I THINK IT'S THERE.
OH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH? OH, I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD.
YOU SEE. SO I LOOKED AT THIS EARLIER.
AND THERE IS ON THE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT.
MAYBE YOU CAN SEE IT THE LEWIS BOULEVARD.
I THINK IS WHAT THE NAME OF THE ROAD IS STARTS DOWN BELOW WHERE IT SAYS FIRST AVENUE.
THIS. THERE IS A UNOPENED RIGHT OF WAY OR AN ALLEY OR A ROAD.
YES. TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG THE MARSHLAND.
IT IS WIDE ENOUGH TO BE A WONDERFUL CONNECTED.
IF IT WAS IF IT WAS CREATED AND DEVELOPED TO DO THAT, IT WILL IT COULD CONNECT ALL THE WAY UP TO LEWIS BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ACTUALLY KIND OF GOES BETWEEN THE TWO HOTELS THAT ARE.
IT COMES RIGHT OFF OF KING STREET.
I'M SORRY. MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD ASK YOU TO COME BACK WITH.
SHEILA HERON STREET IS VICE MAYOR.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO? WOULD YOU PLEASE POINT OUT? I MEAN, I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? WE TALK ABOUT THE BOARDWALK.
LOUIS BEAUVOIR THEN CONNECTS TO HERON STREET.
I'M SORRY. WAS. I THOUGHT IT WAS STILL LOUIS BOULEVARD UP THERE.
IT IS. THERE IS A SORT SECTION THAT IS UNOPENED RIGHT AWAY THAT IS STILL LOUIS BOULEVARD.
BUT THEN IT TRANSITIONS TO HERON AND PRAWN LEWIS TEES INTO HERON, MAKES THAT RIGHT HAND TURN AND THEN ANOTHER LEFT HAND TURN ON PRAWN AND THIS THIS RIGHT OF WAY IS OPEN DOWN BY THE MARINA AND COMES ALL THE WAY BACK TO US.
SO MY MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE REALLY TO HELP CREATE MORE CONNECTIVITY FROM THE SITE IF FLAGLER WOULD CONSIDER AS PART OF THIS IN PAYMENT, IN LIEU OF TAXES OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT, YOU KNOW.
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COME FORWARD AND OFFER TO IMPROVE THAT.IT'S BEEN A LONG TERM GOAL OF THE CITY TO TO ACTUALLY USE THIS SPACE.
AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD CERTAINLY SHOW A GREAT PUBLIC BENEFIT AND INCREASE THE CONNECTIVITY AND ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF OUR MOBILITY PLAN.
SORRY, JOHN, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE AND I'M TRUSTING THAT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE ANY TITLE SEARCH, SO I'M TRUSTING THAT THERE IS THIS OPEN RIGHT OF WAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN IT RIGHT NOW? WELL, THE ONE THROUGH THE THROUGH THE VICE MAYOR, THE THIS ISSUE OF A CONSERVATION OVERLAY, THERE MAY BE SOME ZONING ISSUES WITH THE ORIGINAL PAD THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. BUT THE LAND AS YOU GO ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOTEL IS GENERALLY SOLID LAND.
CAN CAN USE THAT INSTEAD OF US ONE TO RIDE YOUR BIKE OR WALK TO CAMPUS OR WHATEVER.
YOU MEAN WE LIKE THE IDEA? WE WOULD PREFER IT.
IT'D BE IT'D BE GREAT ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT FRONTS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THIS CONNECT NORTH, WE'D BE ALL FOR IT.
AND WE ARE IDEALLY, WHAT WE WOULD WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, IS FLAG OR MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY AND ALL THE WAY TO KING STREET AND WORK WITH THE CITY.
AND THEN AND THEN WE COULD REVISIT.
YES, SIR. YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION, VICE MAYOR.
AND THE WHAT THIS DOES FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS IT TAKES AN IDEA THAT'S BEEN IN THE BACKGROUND AND IT PUTS IT RIGHT AT THE FOREFRONT OF MAKING THIS HAPPEN. IT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON US TO OPEN THE REMAINDER OF THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE NORTH QUICKLY.
OKAY. I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION BRINGS A LOT OF THINGS TOGETHER.
THANK YOU. AND WE CERTAINLY DO LIKE WORKING WITH THE COLLEGE.
AND THIS IS A NEW WAY TO DO THAT.
SO THE CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN A JOY TO WORK WITH.
SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
OKAY. AND SO AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD BACK IN A COUPLE OF A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE ABOUT CONSERVATION OVERLAY ZONE JUST IN CASE SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.
OKAY. SO WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO DO? WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT ON THE FIRST READING AND THEN HAVE THESE CHANGES COME BACK TO US ON THE SECOND READING.
CORRECT. ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT TO KEEP IT MOVING? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OK I MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022 33 WITH.
AMENDMENTS TO INCLUDE A MULTIPURPOSE PATH TO BE ALONG AN OPENED RIGHT OF WAY.
THE EASTERN EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTY IS EDGE OF THE PROPERTY TO EXTENDING NORTH TO KING STREET AND.
YEAH, THE DETAILS OF IT WILL BE IN THE TEXT WHEN YOU SEE.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE THE THE MOTION WAS CLEAR, SO I'LL LOOK AT THAT.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022, 33, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST.
AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER TO AMEND ITS CURRENT PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT CLASSIFICATION, ADOPTING A NEW PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PWD, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND TO PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DEBATE? SO, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
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YES. ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE FINISHED AND WE'LL WAIT FOR THE MAYOR TO COME BACK.WE ARE ON RESOLUTION 2022 36, WHICH SUPPORTS THE REQUEST OF THE LINCOLNVILLE
[9.B.1. Resolution 2022-36: Supports the request to transfer ownership of the Excelsior school building to the Lincolnville Museum and Cultural Center. (T. Upchurch, Mayor) ]
MUSEUM AND CULTURAL CENTER, WHICH THEY ARE MAKING OF STATE GOVERNMENT TO TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF EXCELSIOR SCHOOL TO THE MUSEUM.THE PRIMARY REASON, OF COURSE, IS THAT AS RENTAL PROPERTY, IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO APPLY FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF STATE GRANTS.
THE BUILDING THAT HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL RECENTLY.
BUT THE BUILDING, OF COURSE NEEDS SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS AND THEY HAVE A GREAT MISSION.
AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO WOULD BE TO SIMPLY PUT THIS HIGH ON OUR MUTUAL LOBBYING AGENDA FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
AND SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.
I'LL SECOND, FURTHER DEBATE CONVERSATION QUESTION.
IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I KNOW ANY OPPOSED.
[10.A. Florida Department of Transportation Road Jurisdiction Transfer Agreement transferring jurisdiction and maintenance responsibilities of King Street to the City. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works) ]
MR. FRANKLIN HAS BEEN WITH US ALL EVENING.HE WAS ANXIOUS TO HEAR A PRESENTATION ON THIS MATTER.
BUT, MR. FRANKLIN, WE HAVE TO BE DONE IN 15 MINUTES.
I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
WE HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM AFTER THIS, SO.
SURE. I'LL BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS REUBEN FRANKLIN, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE. AND BEFORE YOU, THIS EVENING IS THE LAST COMPONENT TO KING STREET.
WITH THE TRANSFER FROM THE STATE TO THE CITY.
WHEN WE APPROVED THE CONSTRUCTION REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, THE LAST AGREEMENT TO COME BEFORE YOU IS THE ROAD JURISDICTION TRANSFER AGREEMENT.
AND SO THERE'S REALLY TWO COMPONENTS TO IT.
THE FIRST IS THE DOT IS GOING TO DO A DRAINAGE PROJECT.
THE DRAINAGE PROJECT IS RIGHT HERE, THIS RED COMPONENT.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A BRAND NEW OUTFALL THAT'S GOING TO DAYLIGHT BY OUR CITY MARINA.
SO ONCE THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETED PER THIS AGREEMENT, THEN THE CITY WILL BECOME THE OWNER OF KING STREET, WHICH IS EVERYTHING HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, BUT IT'S BASICALLY FROM THE INTERSECTION AT THE BASE OF THE BRIDGE TO MALAGA STREET.
AND THEN THE SECOND COMPONENT IS ONCE DOT RECONSTRUCTS THE BRIDGE, WHICH CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START IN 20 SUMMER, 2024, AND LAST ABOUT 18 MONTHS.
ONCE THAT SECTION IS FULLY COMPLETED, THEN THE CITY WOULD RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE BLUE SECTION.
THAT DOES NOT STOP US FROM STARTING THE DESIGN WORK OF KING STREET.
IN FACT, WE HAVE ADVERTISED THROUGH A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR DESIGN FIRMS RIGHT NOW AND SUBMITTALS ARE DUE IN, I BELIEVE, THIS THURSDAY, SO THE CITY CAN SELECT A DESIGN TEAM FOR KING STREET.
THAT'S CORRECT. PART OF THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS WAS TO BUILD A BIG PUBLIC COMPONENT CAMPAIGN.
SO WE'LL PUT CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS TOGETHER AND GO OUT AND HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GAIN INPUT ON.
AND SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE OCCURRING AS THE OUTFALL IS COMPLETED AND AS WORK IS DONE ON THE BRIDGE.
AND THEN SO THE MEANS OF TRANSFER WILL BE A RIGHT OF WAY MAP, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE AGREEMENT, AND THAT WILL BE RECORDED BY THE CITY ONCE THIS IS DONE. THANK YOU.
ONCE WHAT IS DONE? ONCE THE ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION.
ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? MR. VALDES, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
I KNOW I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I THROW IT OUT THERE.
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STORM SURGE. THE IT IS FAR DOWN THE ROAD.AND WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IS THE ARMY CORPS STUDY THAT WE'RE GOING TO EMBARK ON IS GOING TO HAVE LARGE FLOOD CONTROL MEASURES THAT MAY IDENTIFY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE PERFECT DIKE RIGHT THERE.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE TRANSFER AGREEMENT.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE THE TRANSFERS APPROVED.
NINE TO THIS PART OF THE AGENDA.
AND AGAIN, IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I'VE GOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND SO I WOULD TURN THE GAVEL BACK OVER TO THE.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER BLONDER HAS THE SAME CONFLICT.
SO IF THE MINUTES REFLECT THAT IT'S DUE TO THEIR EMPLOYMENT WITH FLAGLER COLLEGE.
SO ANY CAN WE HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THIS MATTER? YES. YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO LEAVE THE DIAS AS LONG AS THEY RECUSING FROM THE VOTE AND DISCUSSION.
SO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND FIVE YEAR COLLEGE ARE HOSTING A CONVENTION OF SORTS, HONORING THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT IN THE CHEYENNE AND ARAPAHO WARRIORS AT FORT MARION.
NOVEMBER IS ALSO THE NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH.
AND SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE USE OF THE SEAL.
IT FITS WITHIN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN OF DIVERSITY AND INCLUSIVENESS.
I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR NATIVE AMERICANS.
THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMING EVENTS, BUT ARGUABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT WILL BE THE KEYNOTE ADDRESS BY DOROTHY FIRE CLOUD, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE NATIVE AMERICAN AFFAIRS LIAISON, ON THURSDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 17TH AT 7:00 PM IN THE LOUIS AUDITORIUM.
I AGREE. AND WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
SO MOVED. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY I.
HI. ALL THOSE MOTION CARRIERS? UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.
WE ARE NOW ON IMUS BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU. ITEMS BY THE CITY MANAGER.
JUST KIDDING. NO ITEMS. THE MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS ]
DOES THE VICE MAYOR HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS? NO, DO NOT. DOES COMMISSIONER HORVATH KNOW? DOES COMMISSIONER VALDES? YES, THEY DO. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO COME BACK WITH OUR NEXT MEETING AND MY LAST MEETING TO TELL ME ABOUT THE STATUS OF OUR INDIGENT AND HOMELESS SITUATION WE HAVE DOWNTOWN.WE'VE GOT TO FIND A SOLUTION, SO HELP JOHN.
THANK YOU. TO FURTHER I'M GOING TO SAY THIS FOR THE PUBLIC AT THE NOVEMBER 14TH MEETING, I'LL BE OUTLINING A STRATEGY THAT CAN BE A STRATEGY TO REDUCE THE HOMELESSNESS ON THE STREET.
AND SO I'D ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN THE TOPIC TO TUNE IN TO OUR MEETING, EITHER IN PERSON OR THROUGH OUR WEBSITE, OR THE MEETING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON TAPE AS WELL.
AND I WOULD APPRECIATE PERSONALLY IF YOU COULD CONVEY TO THE COUPLE THAT WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING THAT HAD A HEARTFELT JUST SO THAT THEY WILL SHARE. I HAD A MOMENT TO SPEAK WITH ERIC FOR A FEW MINUTES AND THANK YOU MYSELF.
WELCOME TO THE CITY AND HE'S LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION.
COMMISSIONER BLONDER. YES, A BRIEF ONE.
PREVIOUSLY, THE CITY MANAGER HAD ASKED FOR IDEAS FOR OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
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BEHOOVES US ON EVERY LEVEL TO ADVOCATE FOR A BETTER APPROACH TO INSURING PROPERTY IN THIS STATE.SO IF I COULD ASK STAFF TO DO SO, CONVEY THAT MESSAGE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SEEING NOTHING ELSE.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.