Jul 11, 2022 City Commission

MAYOR UPCHURCH, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU. DR. PARIS.

MY NAME IS JUSTIN MUELLER.

I'M THE COMMODORE, THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB AND MYSELF, A LIFELONG SAILOR.

I LEARNED HOW TO SAIL IN A PROGRAM VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING, WHICH MAKES IT ESPECIALLY DEAR TO MY HEART.

I WILL ALLOW OTHERS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WHY IT IS IMPORTANT AND IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE FINALLY COMPLETE THIS STAGE OF THE PROJECT AND MOVE FORWARD.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MY TIME NOW TO PROPOSE A FEW CHANGES TO THE LEASE, AS IT IS WRITTEN, AFTER CONTINUED CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

I ASSURE YOU THESE ARE ALL OVER NATURE MAKING THE LEAST MORE RESTRICTIVE.

[NOISE] WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT ADULT SAILING PROGRAMS COULD BE THOUGHT OF AS CREATING A TOURIST DESTINATION.

FRANKLY, IT NEVER OCCURRED TO US THAT THIS WOULD BE A USE CASE OF THE PROPERTY, AND I ASSURE YOU THAT WAS NOT OUR INTENTION.

TO ADDRESS THIS, WE PROPOSE ADDING THE FOLLOWING TO SECTION 1 AFTER THE SENTENCE BEGINNING ON THE SIXTH LINE OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF PAGE 2,

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WHICH READS, "ADULTS ARE PEOPLE OVER 18 YEARS OF AGE." INSERTING ANOTHER SENTENCE WHICH WOULD READ, "ADULTS MUST BE RESIDENCE OF OR ATTEND SCHOOL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA." WAS ALSO BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE TERM ROOFTOP DECK IMPLIED SOME PARTY DESTINATION.

THEREFORE, WE PROPOSE THE TWO CHANGES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

IN SECTION 12 ON PAGE 6 CHANGES THE TERM ROOFTOP DECK TO ROOFTOP OBSERVATION PLATFORM.

IN SECTION 13, SPECIAL CONDITIONS AT AN ITEM J TO READ, THE ROOFTOP OBSERVATION PLATFORM MAY ONLY BE OCCUPIED DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS.

FINALLY, THE TOPIC ESPECIALLY USE ALCOHOL PERMITTING.

AGAIN, IT SEEMS THAT THE PERCEPTION BY SOME OF THIS PERMITTING WAS TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTIES.

I SUPPOSE IT DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OR A VISION OF A PARTY, BUT THE INTENTION WAS TO ALLOW FOR AND ENHANCE ADULT-ORIENTED FUNDRAISING EVENTS.

THE SAYC SAILING PROGRAM HAS GENERATED AN EXCESS OF $200,000, NOT INCLUDING THE PARIS'S VERY GENEROUS DONATION THIS EVENING.

IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, IN THE FORM OF DONATIONS.

IT IS HOW THE BOATS ARE REQUIRED AND SCHOLARSHIP FUNDS ARE GENERATED.

NONETHELESS, WE ARE WILLING TO RESTRICT THIS USE BY CHANGING SECTION 13, ITEM F TO JUST SIMPLY READ, SELL, SERVE, CONSUME, ALLOW THE CONSUMPTION OF OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF THESE PROPERTIES, ANY INTOXICATING BEVERAGES OF ANY TYPE.

REMOVING THE REST OF THAT PARAGRAPH.

>> I'M SORRY, MR. MUELLER IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON THAT, SO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT, JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

>> JUST ELIMINATE THE LICENSING OF ANY SORT.

>> THANK YOU. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME?

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN ALL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MARISSA BURRIER, THE YACHT CLUB'S SAILING DIRECTOR, TO SAY A FEW WORDS BEFORE WE HAND IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC.

>> MR. MAYOR, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WAS THE INTENT TO REMOVE ALCOHOL USE COMPLETELY OR JUST ELIMINATE THE SPECIAL USE PERMITTING FOR THE LIQUOR LICENSE? I WASN'T SURE I UNDERSTOOD.

MAYBE IT'S JUST ME.

>> BY CHANGING ITEM AFTER SIMPLY SAY NO ALCOHOL. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR UPCHURCH AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS MARISSA BURRIER.

I LIVE AT 2939 COASTAL HIGHWAY AND I AM THE SAILING DIRECTOR AT THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB.

SINCE MY EMPLOYMENT IN 2019, I HAVE SEEN OVER 700 KIDS LEARN HOW TO SAIL, WITH OVER 1,200 KIDS TOTAL SINCE 2012.

WHILE I'M SURE WE CAN ALL AGREE ON AND UNDERSTAND THE MANY BENEFITS OF THE SPORT OF SAILING.

I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.

MANY I DON'T THINK ARE AWARE OF, AS WELL AS HIGHLIGHT WHY I FEEL THIS PROGRAM IS SO IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

EVERY SINGLE DAY WE SAIL, WE MUST LAUNCH OUR BOATS FROM EITHER OUR BEACH OR THE RAMP.

BOTH OF THESE DO POSE SAFETY CONCERNS.

IF IT'S NEAR HIGH TIDE WE'LL USE OUR BEACH.

OUR BEACHFRONT HAS OYSTERS ON EITHER SIDE OF OUR LAUNCHING SPACE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT FORCES KIDS TO SAIL THROUGH A MAZE OF FISHING LINES OFF THE PUBLIC PEER.

IF IT'S NEAR LOW TIDE, WHICH IS HALF OF THE TIME, WE ARE FORCED TO USE THE PUBLIC BOAT RAMP.

THE PUBLIC RAMP HAS MANY INHERENT DANGERS, THE WORST BEING THE KIDS' PROXIMITY TO HIGH-SPEED PROPELLERS, BELLIGERENT AND INEXPERIENCED BOAT CAPTAINS.

THERE HAS BEEN AN AVERAGE OF TWO SAFETY INCIDENTS PER SEASON SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE, EITHER WITH POWER VOTERS ON THE RAMP OR WITH FISHERMEN ON THE PUBLIC DOCK.

WE'VE HAD AN INCIDENT WITH FISHING LINES AS WELL AS AN ALTERCATIONS BETWEEN FISHERMEN AND PARENTS.

WE'VE HAD INCIDENCES ON THE CONGESTED BOAT RAMP WHERE ADULTS HAVE YELLED OBSCENITIES AT OUR YOUTH SAILORS TRYING TO LAUNCH THEIR BOATS.

WE'VE HAD TO ENSURE AN ADULT IS PLACED AT THE RAMP AT ALL TIMES JUST TO KEEP THEM SAFE.

WE HAVE ALSO HAD TO CANCEL OUR PARENTS' SAMPLING EVENTS EACH WEEK, WHICH IS WHEN PARENTS GET TO WATCH THEIR KIDS DEMONSTRATE THE SKILLS THAT THEY LEARNED WITH US.

THE PROPOSED SAILING CENTER WOULD NOT ONLY ELIMINATE THESE SAFETY CONCERNS AND HAZARDS, BUT WOULD ALLOW CHILDREN TO SHOWCASE THEIR SKILLS FOR THEIR PARENTS ON THIS OBSERVATION PLATFORM.

ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE BEST PARTS OF THIS PROGRAM IS WATCHING THE KIDS NOT ONLY LEARN HOW TO SAIL, BUT TO BECOME IMMERSED IN OUR YEAR-ROUND SAILING PROGRAMS AND BECOME THE NEXT GENERATION OF OUR INSTRUCTORS.

SOME INSTRUCTORS GO INTO COACH AND MANY OF THEM TAKE ON LEADERSHIP ROLES WITHIN OUR PROGRAM.

SOME ARE EVEN HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK.

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THESE YOUNG ADULTS GO THROUGH EXTENSIVE SAFETY TRAINING WITH ME AND WITH US GOVERNING BODY OF SPORT, US SAILING.

THEY ALSO COMPLETE THE US SAILING CERTIFICATION PROCESS, WHICH ENSURES THEIR ABILITY TO NOT ONLY TEACH SAILING, BUT TO SAIL WELL THEMSELVES IN ANY CONDITION AND SAFELY OPERATE THEIR POWER BOATS.

WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING HERE, GOES BEYOND THE SPORT OF SAILING.

THIS PROGRAM CREATES LIFE-LONG BONDS AND FRIENDSHIPS, PROVIDES PROFESSIONAL GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, AND IT STRENGTHENS OUR COMMUNITY.

I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE CALIBER PROGRAM THAT WE RUN HERE AND THE CALIBER OF YOUTH WE'RE ABLE TO REACH.

I LOOK FORWARD TO A SAFE OPERATIONAL SPACE THAT WILL NOT ONLY HONOR OUR RICH MARITIME HISTORY, BUT WILL PROVIDE A HOME FOR LEARNING AND ENRICHMENT FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION ON THIS MATTER AND I NOW YIELD THE FLORIDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF EITHER STAFF OR THE THREE SPEAKERS BEFORE WE PROCEED TO PUBLIC COMMENTS? OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ETHAN ALLIES SNYDER, AND AFTER MR. SNYDER IS SOPHIE MASSEY.

FORGIVE ME ANYBODY WHOSE NAME I MISPRONOUNCE.

IF MR. SNYDER IS HERE.

THAT'S FINE. IS MS. MASSEY HERE, WE'LL LET YOU GO FIRST. IS SUEZ TAGGER HERE? [NOISE] WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH MISS TAGGER FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO ETHAN AND SOPHIA. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SUEZ.

AM I IN THE RIGHT SPOT? IS THIS IT?

>> MY NAME IS SUEZ TAGGER.

I LIVE AT 25 MAGNOLIA DROP.

MY HUSBAND DAN, AND I HAVE RESIDED IN THE LIGHTHOUSE HOUSE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

EVERYONE LOVES LIVING IN THE AREA AND SO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT LIFESTYLE.

THE LEASE YOU REVIEW AND DENY, IF ACCEPTED, AS PRESENTED, WILL GREATLY CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF LIGHTHOUSE PARK AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ORIGINALLY, THIS PROPOSAL STATED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A YOUTH SAILING SCHOOL.

MAYOR, WHEN I READ THE LEASE, THE WORD YOUTH HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM ITS TITLE.

THAT IN ITSELF TOTALLY CHANGES THE INITIAL PLAN AS GIVEN TO THE NEIGHBORS.

NOW THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT DOES THIS FACILITY GOING TO BE USED FOR? THE LEASE STATES THAT IT WILL STAY OPEN UNTIL 09:30.

IF INDEED THE PURPOSE IS TO BE A SAILING CENTER, THEN WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE OPEN PAST 6:00 O'CLOCK? SAILING SAFETY ENDS WELL BEFORE DARK ESPECIALLY IF INDEED AD LENSES ARE INVOLVED.

KEEPING THE FACILITY OPEN SO LATE, WHAT SEEMED TO ENCOURAGE MORE EVENING ACTIVITIES THAT WILL BE DETERMINED WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PEACE AND QUIET WE ALL SEEK WITHIN OUR HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE FACILITY AT A REASONABLE HOUR ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF MORE TRAFFIC AND NOISE IN THE EVENING.

MAYOR, HAS IT BEEN DECIDED THERE WON'T BE A ROOFTOP DECK OR NOT?

>> IT WILL BE. THE PROPOSAL CURRENTLY HAS A ROOFTOP DECK.

MISS TAGGER, LET ME GET YOU TO ADJUST THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOU AND WE'LL HEAR YOU BETTER.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. THERE WE GO.

>> YOU THINK YOU MISSED ANYTHING?

>> NO, I GOT IT.

>> THE ROOFTOP DECK.

A SAILING CENTER DOES NOT NEED A ROOFTOP DECK.

ANY PRESET ROOFTOP ACTIVITY WOULD LIKELY BE DRASTICALLY INTRUSIVE AND DISRUPTIVE IN THE TRANQUILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MAYOR, MY NEXT OBJECTION HAD TO DO WITH ALCOHOL.

I'M SO PLEASED TO SEE THAT THEY RENEGED ON THAT FORM.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND.

IT IS NOT REALLY A YACHT CLUB ANYMORE.

WHEN THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB MOVED THE CLUB FROM COMANCHE COBRA ARENA TO ITS PRESENT LOCATION, LIGHTHOUSE BUILDING, IT LOST ITS MEMBERSHIP TO THE FLORIDA COUNCIL YACHT CLUB ORGANIZATIONS.

I FEEL IT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO EXPAND ITS OPERATIONS UNTIL IT SATISFIES ALL THE CRITERIA NEEDING TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA COUNCIL YACHT CLUB ORGANIZATION.

THE SAILING CENTER IS THE FIRST STOP AND IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ETHAN ELIJAH SNYDER, AND AFTER MR. SNYDER IS SOPHIA MASSEY.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR UPCHURCH AND COMMISSIONERS.

I DECIDED TO COME UP HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

>> LET ME GET YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> EXCUSE ME. I LIVE AT 539 STATE ROAD 100.

I DECIDED TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF

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THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE BENEFIT THAT IT HAS HAD ON MY LIFE, THIS PROGRAM.

I CAME TO THE SAILING CENTER WHEN I WAS FIVE.

MY MOM FOUND A YOUTH SAILING PROGRAM TO ENROLL ME IN, AND SINCE THEN, IT HAS GROWN AND I WAS SLOWLY MOVED UP TO BIGGER BOATS.

I BECAME A PART OF THE RACE TEAM.

I VOLUNTEERED LATER TO INSTRUCT AT SAIL CAMP AND THEN I EVENTUALLY BECAME A LEVEL 1 INSTRUCTOR WITH US SAILING, AND NOW I WORK THERE.

I STILL DO AND IT WAS MY FIRST JOB.

THE BENEFIT THAT THIS HAS HAD HAS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, I'LL JUST SAY QUITE A LOT ESPECIALLY THROUGH BEING AN INSTRUCTOR, I'VE LEARNED MANY LEADERSHIP SKILLS, COMMUNICATION, HOW TO OPERATE UNDER PRESSURE.

THIS SAILING STANDARD PROPOSAL WOULD HELP US TO DO THAT IN A MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE AND SAFE WAY.

I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SOPHIA MASSEY.

I'VE PRONOUNCED YOUR NAME ABOUT 14 DIFFERENT WAYS.

AFTER MS. MASSEY IS CINDY WATSON BOWER.

>> THANK YOU HONORABLE MAYOR UPCHURCH AND CITY COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.

MY NAME IS SOPHIA MASSEY.

I LIVE AT 156 OCEAN VIEW DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I AM 14 YEARS OLD AND I'VE BEEN SAILING AT THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS NOW.

I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PROGRESSIVE HEARING LOSS WHEN I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.

I'VE LOST ALMOST ALL MY HEARING IN MY LEFT EAR.

THE HEARING LOSS HAS CAUSED ME TO HAVE INSECURITIES ABOUT FITTING IN, AND IT'S ALSO CAUSED ME TO HAVE ISSUES WHEN PLAYING SPORTS.

UP UNTIL I DISCOVERED SAILING, I WAS UNABLE TO FIND A SPORT THAT I FELT COMFORTABLE PARTICIPATING IN.

WHEN I DISCOVERED SAILING, I FOUND AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE I CAN LEAVE MY INSECURITIES BEHIND BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE TO WEAR MY HEARING AID WHEN I SAIL, WHICH TAKES AWAY FROM THE STIGMA OF BEING DEAF.

I'VE MADE NEW FRIENDS AND I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING THAT BRINGS ME HAPPINESS.

THE ST. AUGUSTINE SAILING CENTER WAS GENEROUSLY GIFTED, A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO USE EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE YOUTH, TO HAVE A SAFE SPACE, TO MEET UP, STORE SAILING EQUIPMENT, AND TEACH A LIFE SKILL.

I WAS SO EXCITED WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR OWN SAILING CENTER OVER A YEAR AGO.

TO MY DISAPPOINTMENT, I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT CERTAIN NEIGHBORS OPPOSE THIS SAFE SPACE FOR ST. AUGUSTINE'S YOUTH.

THE ST. AUGUSTINE'S SAILING CENTER TEACHES LEADERSHIP SKILLS THAT COULD NEVER BE TAUGHT AT HOME, ON ELECTRONIC OR TV.

PLEASE CONSIDER HELPING OUR YOUTH DEVELOP THE NECESSARY SKILLS TO BECOME LEADERS OF TOMORROW BY PROVING THE SAILING CENTER THAT IS TO BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY NEXT TO SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MRS. WATSON BOWER IS COMING AND THEN AFTER HER WILL BE JOHN HODGKIN.

>> CINDY WATSON BOWER, 17 INLET PLACE, LIGHTHOUSE PARK.

I'M EXCITED TO SEE ALL THESE SAILING PEOPLE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY GET TO HEAR WHY WE HAVE OUR CONCERNS AS WELL.

WE'RE NOT AGAINST THE SAILING SCHOOL.

I'M ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY THINK ARE AGAINST THE SAILING SCHOOL.

OUR CONCERNS ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE FIRST PRESENTED WAS AGAIN, THIS WAS GOING TO BE FOR YOUTH ONLY.

WHEN MR. PARIS AND MS. DOLAN FIRST BROUGHT THIS TO US, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE YOUTHS SAILING ONLY.

NOW AS I READ THE LEASE, IT IS 80 PERCENT CHILDREN AND 20 PERCENT ADULTS.

ORIGINALLY, THEY DID SAY NO ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION AND THAT WAS TRYING TO SNEAK IN, BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOW PULLED THAT OUT.

THAT'S A BIG PLUS.

BUILDING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT AND THE DOCK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME, BUT I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT AS MANY SAILBOATS ON THAT DOCK WITH THE BIGGER PRINT.

MY CONCERN IS IT IS GETTING A LOT CLOSER TO THE FISHING PIER WITH THE NEW FOOTPRINT OF THE DOCK.

THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES MADE FROM THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, BUT NOBODY FROM THE YACHT CLUB ACTUALLY CAME AND MADE THOSE PRESENTATIONS INSTEAD, DAVID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND FILLING US IN ON WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US BETTER NEIGHBORS AND FOR THE YACHT CLUB TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY WHEN THINGS WANT TO BE CHANGED.

MY CONCERN NOW IS THIS LEASE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LEASES CAN BE CHANGED, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A 99 YEAR LEASE FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR THAT THEY'RE LEASING THIS PROPERTY OUT FOR.

IF THE LEASE IS CHANGED,

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NOBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS EVEN GOING TO KNOW ABOUT IT, UNLESS SOMEBODY CONTACTS US DIRECTLY.

THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JOHN HODGKIN, AND AFTER MR. HODGKIN IS SUSAN HILL.

>> IF I CAN GET THIS MICROPHONE RIGHT.

DR. JOHN HAJAN, 12 FLAMINGO DRIVE.

I DO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

A LOT OF MY POINTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND EMPHASIZE THEM.

FOUR-AND-A-HALF YEARS AGO WHEN WE FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, IT WAS A YOUTH SAILING SCHOOL.

WE HEARD THAT REPEATEDLY.

IT THEN CHANGED TO A YOUTH SAILING PROGRAM, AND SIX WEEKS AGO, IT BECAME A SAILING CENTER WITH THE INCLUSION OF ADULTS, WHICH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS IS NOT WHAT WE WERE INITIALLY PRESENTED WITH AND IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

THE CITY GETS A DONATION OF LAND, WITH A DEED AND OWNS THE LAND, BUT HAS NO CONTROL OVER HOW THE LAND IS USED EXCEPT FOR A LEASE WHICH ACCOMPANIES THE DONATION.

THE LEASE IS FOR 100 YEARS.

THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING HERE, THEY WILL BE GREAT GRANDPARENTS AT THE POINT AT WHICH THIS LEASE ENDS; IF IT DOES END.

THERE ARE NO ASSURANCES IN THIS LEASE THAT IT CANNOT BE CHANGED AT A LATER DATE.

THERE IS A PROCESS BETWEEN THE YACHT CLUB AND A CITY ENTITY TO CHANGE IT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T ENTER INTO THAT.

THE FOLLOWING POINTS OF THIS LEASE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE TALKED TO.

THE INCLUSION OF ADULTS IN THE TITLE, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

THE REMOVAL OF THE TERM YOUTH SAILING SCHOOL OR YOUTH SAILING PROGRAM WE DON'T AGREE WITH, TO CHANGE TO SAILING CENTER, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

THE ADDITION OF A ROOFTOP DECK, AND I WILL CALL IT A DECK, THAT HAS AMPLIFIED SOUND AND LIGHTING AT NIGHT, WE SEE IS A NO-GO.

IN ADDITION, THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT THERE'LL BE AN AVENUE FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN THIS PROPERTY.

ALREADY THERE IS THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN THE YACHT CLUB PROPERTY THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, AND WE COULD START TO SEE THE REASON THAT ANY ALCOHOL SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN A YOUTH SAILING PROGRAM.

NOW THE DOCK, THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN OVERSIZED COMMERCIAL SIZE DOCK, THAT DOCK, ACCORDING TO MR. CARTER, IS 4,056 SQUARE FEET OF DOCK.

EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF THAT WILL BE A RAISED PLATFORM OR A FLOATING PLATFORM THEORETICALLY TO LAUNCH VESSELS.

NOW, WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED TO US FOUR-AND-HALF YEARS AGO, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE EXTENSIVE DOCK, AND WE CALLED IT A MEGA DOCK [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE THE YACHT CLUB NEEDED FOUR DEEP WATER BOAT SLIPS TO GET RECIPROCITY WITH OTHER YACHT CLUBS FOR MOWING PURPOSES, BOTH INTERNATIONALLY AND NATIONALLY.

SINCE THAT INITIAL MEETING AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THAT IN FOUR YEARS, BUT I STILL SUSPECT THAT SINCE THE LEASE CAN BE CHANGED, THAT AT SOME POINT, WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THOSE DEEP WATER BOAT SLIPS AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

THIS STOCK IS SO LARGE, [NOISE] WE'RE CONCERNED.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. SUSAN HILL IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND AFTER MS. HILL IS BRUCE BUTLER.

>> MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, OUR STREAMING SERVICES ARE BACK AND RUNNING.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> SUSAN HILL, 12 FLAMINGO DRIVE.

I ALSO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN YOU SEE THAT? I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SAID, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE CHANGES IN MESSAGING.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES AND MOST RECENT ONES AT THE 11TH HOUR OF THIS VERY LONG PROCESS IS THE INCLUSION OF ADULTS.

BUT I REALLY CAME HERE TONIGHT TO TELL YOU THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS WAS THE SCALE OF THE DOCK AND THE INTRUSION INTO SALT RUN.

IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SALT RUN IS A QUIET AREA.

OF COURSE, THERE'S A LAGOON TO THE SOUTH, SO IT'S SHELTERED.

WE HAVE MANY SEA TURTLES, WE HAVE MANY WATER BIRDS.

WE SEE MANATEE.

MY HUSBAND EVEN SAW A TARP IN THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF FLORA AND FAUNA IN THAT AREA.

IT'S A QUIET AREA.

WE WOULD LIKE IT FOR THAT CHARACTER TO REMAIN AND

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NOT BE INTRUDED UPON BY A LARGE OVER SCALE OPERATION.

I THINK ALL OF US SUPPORT THE YOUTH SAILING CENTER.

THESE KIDS SAIL LIKE CRAZY.

WE WATCH THEM FROM THE BEACH FRONT, AND THEY'RE GREAT AND I'M SURE THEY HAVE A GREAT EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, I WANTED TO BRING TO MIND EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THAT IN THIS SITE, AND I THINK IT GETS FORGOTTEN AND OVERLOOKED, IS THE SITE OF FLORIDA'S FIRST LIGHTHOUSE.

THE NORTHERN EXTENT, THE SOUTHERN EXTENT, THE EASTERN EXTENT.

>> MS. HILL, I NEED YOU TO STAY CLOSE TO THE MICROPHONE. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

>> THE NORTHERN EXTENT, SOUTHERN EXTENT, EASTERN EXTENT, ACCORDING TO THE OLD LAMP SURVEY, IS VERY CLOSE TO THE DILAPIDATED DOCK, WHICH IS 110 CARVER STREET, THAT WAS USED AS THEIR BASELINE DOCK IN THE SURVEY.

WE ASKED AS PART OF THE LEASE, COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE 10 OR 15 MINUTES OF VOLUNTEER-LED EDUCATION ABOUT THE ARCHAEOLOGY? IT'S FLORIDA'S FIRST LIGHTHOUSE, IT'S THE FIRST NAVIGATION AID IN THE NATION.

IT LIES 115 FEET EAST TO WEST AND 75 FEET NORTH TO SOUTH UNDER THE FOOTPRINT OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS STOCK.

THERE WAS NO RESPONSE TO THAT.

WE SAID VOLUNTEERS FROM LAMP OR VOLUNTEERS FROM THE ST. AUGUSTINE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT 15 MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY WEEKLY SAILING CLINIC.

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO PROTECTIONS IN THE LEASE THAT ADDRESS THE ARCHAEOLOGY, AND I FEEL LIKE THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE THAT THAT'S IN THERE [NOISE].

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BRUCE BUTLER IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND AFTER MR. BUTLER IS ROY JAEGER.

>> MY NAME IS BRUCE BUTLER.

I LIVE AT 917 LOOP BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ABOUT 400 YARDS FROM THE BOAT RAMP.

I THINK I'M PROBABLY THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR TO THIS FACILITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I REPRESENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN SUPPORTING THE SAILING CENTER.

ANYBODY THAT HAS BEEN THERE AND WATCHED THESE KIDS SAILING OR TRYING TO NAVIGATE ON THE BOAT RAMP LIKE I HAVE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM.

I THINK A OBSERVATION DOCK OR DECK ON TOP OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR PARENTS TO WATCH THEIR CHILDREN OVER THE MANGROVES.

SEEMS VERY REASONABLE.

I THINK I SPEAK FOR A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT WE BELIEVE IN A VERY COMMON SENSE APPROACH AND WE THINK THAT THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH AND WOULD LIKE IT APPROVED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. JAEGER, I SEE YOU HAVE A NOTE HERE, AND I SEE THAT DEBBIE WICKER HAS A NOTE HERE, AND SO I'M GOING TO DEFER YOUR CARDS.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ALISON DANIELS BUTLER.

AFTER MS. BUTLER IS DESMOND R. VALDEZ III.

>> MY NAME IS ALISON BUTLER AND I LIVE AT 917 LU BOULEVARD. THAT'S MY HUSBAND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE CITY STAFF FOR THEIR TIME.

THEY'VE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY.

IT'S JUST BEEN PHENOMENAL THAT YOU'VE TAKEN SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT FOR ALL OF THIS.

I AM VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK DR. PARIS FOR THE DONATION TO THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S IT.

WE'RE JUST ALSO LUCKY THAT WE MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WON'T BE DEVELOPED, WON'T HAVE A THREE-STORY HOUSE PUT ON TOP OF IT, AND WON'T HAVE SOME BEACH ACCESS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.

THAT'S A REAL PLUS THAT I SEE.

I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE YACHT CLUBS SINCE 2021.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE LIGHTHOUSE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HAD A SAILING CENTER AND PARTICIPATED IN SAILING PROGRAM WHEN I GREW UP.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT THEN, BUT WE HAVE IT NOW.

WE'VE HAD IT FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE ART CLUB FOR BRINGING THAT INTO BIRTHING THAT, IF YOU WILL, AND FOR CONTINUING TO STEWARD IT.

I THINK IT'S A TREMENDOUS PROGRAM.

THE KIDS HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN AND I DON'T NEED TO BE [INAUDIBLE] THAT POINT.

IT DOES MEAN IF WE RELOCATE THE SAILING CENTER, IT WILL JUST DECREASE ALL THE CONGESTION AT THE BOAT RAMP,

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WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, BUT I'VE SEEN IT PERSONALLY.

I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS SEEN IT.

THERE'S CHARTER FISHING BOATS THAT COME IN THERE.

THERE'S KAYAK AND STAND UP PADDLE BOARD COMPANIES THAT ARE LOADING AND UNLOADING AND ALL THEIR FOLKS ARE LOADING ON AND IT'S A GREAT SPOT.

I KNOW WHY THEY'RE ALL THERE, BUT IT PUTS THE KIDS IN A SPOT THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN.

AS DR. PARIS AND MARISSA HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT, ALL THE SAFETY CONCERNS, I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT YOU WILL ALSO VOTE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS TO 110 CARPER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DESMOND VALDEZ IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER.

AFTER MR. VALDEZ IS TAYLOR JANE REICHERT.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS DESMOND R VALDEZ, III.

I LIVE AT 266 MR. CASTLE DRIVE ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT, YES, COMMISSIONER JOHN VALDES IS MY UNCLE.

[LAUGHTER].

>> COMMOTION THERE.

>> I SAIL WITH THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB SAILING CENTER ON THE TRAVELING TEAM RACE TEAM AND I ENJOY EVERY SECOND OF IT, SUPER FUN.

I SAIL COMPETITIVELY AGAINST OTHER SAILORS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

I SAIL A LASER AND SOMETIMES WE'LL JUMP INTO A 420 FOR FUN IF THE COMPETITION IS NOT GOOD AT LASER REGATTA WITH THE OTHER LASER SAILOR THERE.

I FELL IN LOVE WITH SAILING AS SAINT AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB SAIL CAMP, WHICH WAS SUPER FUN AND HOOKED ME FOREVER.

I FELL IN LOVE WITH SAILING AND GOT MY BODY IN THE BEST SHAPE THAT IT HAS EVER BEEN IN TO SAIL THE BOATS THAT I SAIL AND TO COMPETE AGAINST THE RACERS I RACE AGAINST.

WHILE MEETING NEW PEOPLE AND FRIENDS, WHILE IN THESE PLACES, I LOVE JUST GOING OUT ON THE WATER, JUST BREATHING IN THE FRESH AIR THAT THIS EARTH PROVIDES AND IT MAKES ME FEEL HOME.

I REMEMBER ALL THE TIMES I SPENT WITH MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND KNOW THAT I AM ACCEPTED FOR WHO I AM OUT ON THE WATER.

THE PEOPLE, THE SAILING CENTER WILL PROVIDE WAY MORE SAFETY FOR US AND OUR CAMPERS AT SO CAMP.

THE CAMPERS HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE SCREAMING AND SHOUTING OF SOMETIMES DRUNK BOATERS TRYING TO LAUNCH OR PULL OUT BOATS.

WHEN WE NEED TO LAUNCH OUR SAILBOATS, WE MUST USE THE RAMP SOMETIMES TO PULL OUT OUR BOATS BECAUSE AT LOW TIDE, THERE'S PLUS MUD ALL AROUND THE BEACH AND IT'S NOT SAFE FOR US.

I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN AT THE BOAT RAMP, BUT THERE'S OYSTERS AND SEA LIFE EVERYWHERE.

I KNOW THAT I FOR ONE HAVE BEEN HURT DOWN ON THE BOAT RAMP.

I SLICED MY ANKLE OPEN AND HAD TO GET NINE STITCHES AND CANNOT COMPETE IN A JUNIOR OLYMPIC REGATTA BECAUSE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IT WET AND IT BUMMED ME OUT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TAYLOR JANE REICHERT.

FORGIVE ME IF I'M MISPRONOUNCING THAT. IS MS. REICHERT HERE? THERE WE GO. THEN OUR NEXT SPEAKER AFTER THAT WILL BE ANDREW TYLER.

>> HI, I'M TAYLOR PALCHAT.

SORRY, I HAVE BAD HAND WRITING.

>> [OVERLAPPING] NO, I WASN'T EVEN CLOSE, AND I'M SORRY. [LAUGHTER]

>> I LIVE ON 90 COASTAL VILLAGE LANE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW SAILING HAS IMPACTED MY LIFE AND HOW OUR CURRENT SITUATION IS NOT COMPLETELY SAFE, AND HOW THE NEW SAILING CENTER WOULD IMPROVE ALL OF OUR LIVES.

I CURRENTLY SAIL FOR THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUBS TRAVELING RACE TEAM AS A LASER SAILOR, A SINGLE-HANDED 14 FOOT BOAT.

MY SAILING JOURNEY STARTED HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, AND I HOPE TO CONTINUE IT HERE.

I USE SAILING AS MY ATHLETIC OUTLET KEEPING MY PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH IN CHECK.

I'M STRONGER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN AND HAPPIER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN THANKS TO SAILING.

RACING AND SAILING HAVE BROUGHT ME SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAVEL ALL OVER IT AND COMPETE WITH THE BEST THAT SAILING HAS TO OFFER.

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I PARTICIPATED IN RACES AND CLINICS WITH PEOPLE OF OLYMPIC COLLEGE AND WORLD LEVEL THAT HAVE TAUGHT ME THAT SAILING IS WHAT I LOVE.

THEY'VE SHOWED ME WHAT I WANT TO STRIVE TO BE, AND NOW IT'S TIME TO WORK HARD TO GET THERE.

I PLAN ON SAILING TO BE MY FUTURE AND I HOPE TO LEAD A SUCCESSFUL CAREER IN COMPETITIVE SAILING.

GOING TO WORLDS AND MAYBE EVENTUALLY THE OLYMPICS IS AN ACHIEVABLE GOAL THAT I'M CURRENTLY CHIPPING AWAY AT.

BUT THE MOST IMPACTFUL THING THAT SAILING HAS DONE TO MAKE MY LIFE SO MUCH BETTER IS THAT IT HAS BROUGHT ME TO MEET SO MANY NEW FANTASTIC PEOPLE THAT I NEVER WOULD HAVE MET WITHOUT IT.

I'M NOW A PART OF AN AMAZING COMMUNITY THAT IS SO WELCOMING AND WARM TO EVERYONE.

IT'S TERRIBLE TO SEE THESE PEOPLE I'VE COME TO LOVE GET BY OPERATING OUT OF NOT COMPLETELY SAFE FACILITIES.

THEY'RE PUT IN DANGER BY EXPOSED OYSTERS AND OTHER HAZARDS, VAGRANT ENCOUNTERS, AND LOUD CAPTAINS TRYING TO LAUNCH OUT OF THE PUBLIC BOAT RAMP.

HAVING A SAFE, SECLUDED BASE TO USE LIKE MANY OTHER YOUTH SAILING CENTERS WE HAVE VISITED IN OUR RACING TRAVELS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER TO BOTH OUR PERFORMANCE AND OUR WELL-BEING.

IT WOULD ALSO BE AN INCREDIBLE GIFT TO OUR UP AND COMING NEW YOUTH, YOUNG KIDS WHO SAME AS ME, CAME TO SAIL CAMP, LOOKING TO LEARN A NEW SKILL AND LEAVING WITH A PASSION THAT THEY'LL NEVER LOSE.

WE WANT TO TAKE OUR PROGRAM TO THE NEXT LEVEL, AND THANKS TO DR. PARIS'S KINDNESS, WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO SO.

OUR TEAM HAS BEEN FIGHTING HARD FOR THE PROPOSED SAILING CENTER FOR A LONG WHILE AND I THINK IT'S DUE TIME FOR IT TO START HAPPENING.

MY NAME IS TAYLOR PALCHAT AND I WROTE THIS MYSELF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. [LAUGHTER]

AFTER ANDREW, JAMIE WARBURG, I'M PROBABLY BUTCHERING THAT AS WELL.

ANDREW TYLER.

WELCOME, MR. TYLER.

>> THANK YOU. HELLO EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS ANDREW TYLER AND I LIVE AT 914 LU BOULEVARD.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSAL.

GROWING UP, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN VIRGINIA, BUT I HAD THE PLEASURE OF VISITING ST. AUGUSTINE MANY TIMES AS I GREW UP.

I LOVE THIS TOWN AS A TOURIST.

THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO HERE, BUT NOW THAT I'M A MEMBER OR RESIDENT, I LOVE TO HERE THAT THE YACHT CLUB PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE CLASSES FOR SAINT JOHN'S RESIDENTS.

JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO OR A FEW DAYS AGO, I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO TAKE A CLASS THERE.

I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE YACHT CLUB, BUT I CAN'T RECOMMEND IT ENOUGH.

I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT EDUCATION DOESN'T REALLY END AT CHILDHOOD AND I WAS EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A CLASS AND LEARN A SKILL THAT I NEVER WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO OTHERWISE.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUST REITERATE SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT I NOTICED JUST TAKING THE CLASS.

I SAW THE OYSTERS ON THE BEACH.

THEY JUST DIDN'T LOOK FINE AND MY WIFE AND I RECENTLY WELCOMED A DAUGHTER INTO THIS WORLD AND I REALLY I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY HAVING HER HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING AT THIS YACHT CLUB CENTER OR AT THE SAILING CENTER AND LEARNING HOW TO SAIL.

I JUST SEE IT FROM THE EYES OF A PARENT NOW THAT I DON'T WANT HER OUT IN THIS OYSTER FIELD.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMIE ROHRBERG AND AFTER MR. ROHRBERG IS ROGER BANNISTER.

>> GOOD EVENING? IT'S ROHRBERG. [LAUGHTER]

>> I GOT PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.

>> I'M PROGRAM DIRECTOR BEFORE THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB DRAGON BOAT TEAM, WHICH IS MADE UP OF PEOPLE OVER 70 USUALLY THAT ARE COMPETING THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND IN FACT THE WORLD.

A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SPIN, WHY WOULD WE SUPPORT THE YOUTH SAILING CENTER? I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU A PERSONAL STORY.

WHEN I WAS 9 YEARS OLD, I SAVED UP AND I GOT A SAILBOAT.

THAT WAS THE GOOD NEWS, A KID BURNED IT.

THAT WAS A BAD NEWS.

I WENT TO HIS HOUSE AND PUNCHED HIM IN THE FACE.

MORE BAD NEWS AND I NOTICED THAT THE POLICE ARE HERE.

I WAS TAKEN AWAY TO THE POLICE STATION.

THAT WAS A GAME CHANGER FOR ME AND I STARTED CONCENTRATING ON HOW CAN I GET BACK INTO SAILING? FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT PROBABLY KEPT ME OUT OF JAIL.

IT GAVE ME THE IDEA ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

IT GAVE ME AN IDEA ABOUT MATHEMATICS AND HOW THE WIND PERCENTAGES WORK.

IT FOR SURE GAVE ME AN IDEA OF, THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO VERSUS PUNCHING SOMEBODY IN THE FACE.

TAKE IT TO 75 YEARS, I'VE DISCOVERED THE SAILING CENTER THERE AND BEEN PART OF THE YACHT CLUB FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS.

EVERY WEEK I SEE THESE KIDS OUT, IT BRINGS A SMILE TO ME EVERY WEEK WHEN I SEE A FIVE AND SIX-YEAR-OLD ON THE BOAT AND IF THEY ARGUE AT ALL, IT'S ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO STEER AND WHO'S GOING TO TRIM THE SAILS.

THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM.

I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT.

WE'VE BEEN AFTER IT LONG TIME AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU TAKE A MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR PIECE OF PROPERTY DONATED

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BY DR. PARIS AND PUT IT FORWARD FOR OUR YOUTH OF THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF ST. AUGUSTINE. THANK YOU.

>> YES SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ROGER BANNISTER AND AFTER THAT, WHERE OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MAUREEN LONG.

>> MY NAME IS ROGER BANNISTER, 100 CARVER STREET EAST AND I'M ABOUT TO READ A LETTER ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND AND I AGREE WITH MOST OF THESE POINTS, HERE'S THE LETTER.

WE ARE JEFF AND CLAIRE BLACK AND OUR ADDRESS IS 106 CARVERS STREET EAST, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO 110 CAIRO'S PDS.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US THAT YOU UNDERSTAND OUR SITUATION BEFORE AGREEING TO THE TERMS OF A 99-YEAR LEASE WITH THE YACHT CENTER.

THERE WAS A SHARED RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT PROVIDES THE ONLY ACCESS TO OUR DRIVEWAY.

WE ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN VOCALLY OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE ZONING DESIGNATION AND DO NOT FEEL OUR VOICES HAVE BEEN HEARD GIVEN THE INEVITABLE CIRCUMSTANCES OF A ZONING CHANGE TO GOVERNMENT USE.

WE HOPE YOU WILL NOW CONSIDER OUR PREFERENCES BEFORE THE LEASE IS AGREED ON.

WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN OUR PRIVACY AND PROPERTY VALUE AS THIS PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.

WE DO NOT WANT A PRIVATE CLUB WITH A 25-FOOT STRUCTURE.

NOW THEY'VE SAID THIS WILL BE ONE STORY, BUT THEY'VE ALSO SAID IT COULD BE 25 FEET TALL AND THE ROOF DECK LOOKING DOWN ONTO OUR BACKYARD, WHICH IT WOULD.

WE WANT OUR FUTURE EXPANSION OF BUILDING SETBACKS AND HEIGHT INCREASE TO BE FORBIDDEN.

WE WANT ALL ALCOHOL USED TO BE FORBIDDEN ON THE PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF FREQUENCY OR REASON.

WE WANT RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AND THE HOURS OF THE FACILITY RESTRICTED TO 9:00 AM AND 7:30 PM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STAFF.

WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT OUR RIGHTS AS PROPERTY OWNERS ARE BEING INFRINGED UPON AND THAT WE HAVE RECOURSE.

SHOULD THE ZONING CHANGE AND THE SUBSEQUENT LEASE TO THE YACHT CLUB RESULT IN THE REDUCTION OF PROPERTY VALUE, LOSS OF USE, AND NUISANCE, WE ARE PREPARED TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION.

THIS IS FROM CLAIRE AND JEFF BLACK.

LIGHTHOUSE PARK TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONTINUES TO INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY, WHICH IT SURE DOES AND IT'S OFTEN DIFFICULT TO MANEUVER OUT OF OUR OWN DRIVEWAY.

WE EXPECT THIS TO INCREASE WITH THE ADDITION OF A PRIVATE CLUB RIGHT NEXT TO US.

WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE MANY CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL OF THE USED SAILING CAMP.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE NOISE AND CARS IT WILL BRING.

WE ASK IF THAT APPROVING THIS LEASE, YOU CONSIDER PERMANENT LIMITS ON THE SIZE AND HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AND OF THE CAMP'S HOURS.

FOR OUR PROTECTION, WE WANT CLARIFICATION AS TO WHO CAN BE ON THE PROPERTY AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY WILL BE PERMITTED AND NOT PERMITTED.

I DON'T THINK OUR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT REALLY AGAINST THE SAILING CENTER, THEY'RE AGAINST THESE CERTAIN ISSUES.

EVERYBODY UP HERE TALKING SAILING CENTER IS GREAT, I DON'T THINK ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE REALLY OPPOSED TO THE SAILING CENTER.

IT'S THESE FEW ISSUES THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

MAUREEN LONG IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND AFTER MRS. LONG IS JAMES A LONG.

>> MAUREEN LONG, 1821 CASTILLO STREET, MENENDEZ PARK.

MY FAMILY AND I LIVE ON ANASTASIA ISLAND AND WE UTILIZE LIGHTHOUSE FISHING PIER REGULARLY.

WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE PROCESS OF THE CITY'S ACCEPTANCE OF THE PROPERTY DONATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE YOUTH SAILING SCHOOL AND SUMMER CAMP TO ENHANCE ITS PROGRAMS. I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST FOR BOTH THE SAILING SCHOOL AND SAILING SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS TO INCORPORATE A SHORT EDUCATIONAL STUDIES IN CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL TO BUILD ON THESE FUTURE SAILORS AND THE LOVE OF THEIR WATER AND SALT RUN WITH THE LAND, WITH ANIMALS AND INHABITANTS THAT LIVE IN THE LAND AND THE AIR.

WHITNEY LAB, WE ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE, CAN BE AN OUTREACH EDUCATION PROGRAM JUST A CALL AWAY.

IT CAN COME AND ENHANCE AND BUILD ON THESE NEXT STEWARDS OF OUR LAND.

I FIND THAT MISSING FROM THE LEASE IS MR. PARIS' COMMITMENT, WHICH HE SPOKE ABOUT ON THE OCTOBER 14TH PRESENTATION.

THOSE EXPENSES WERE TO HELP WITH THE EXTRA COSTS THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE AND ALSO THE GIFT OF LOT 7 TO THE YOUTH SAILING PROGRAM.

THAT HE SAID WAS TO OFFSET THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE PROGRAM MAKING IT FULLY FUNDED, WHICH WAS PRESENTED THEN.

ALSO I FOUND MISSING WAS MR. BRADLEY'S PRESENTATION.

SOME OF HIS ITEMS THAT HE HAD OR FOUR SUBJECTS DESCRIBED, AS HE CALLED THEM HIS QUANTITATIVE IMPACTS AND THAT WOULD BE THE YOUTH SUMMER JOBS PER YEAR, THE NINE YOUTH INTERNSHIPS PER YEAR, THE 20 YOUTH SAILING SCHOLARSHIPS PER YEAR, AND THE 14,600 DISCOUNTED.

WHEN WE HAVE THESE RULES AND WE BUILD THESE LEASES AND WE WRITE THESE LEASES, IT'S PROPOSED FOR 99 YEARS AND SERVES AS A BINDING LEGAL AGREEMENT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT

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THOROUGHLY ADDRESSES THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE TO BE PROVIDED, THE RULES, POLICIES, AND CONFLICT, ANY CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCEDURES.

THEY WERE CLEARLY DEFINING FOR THE LEASER AND THE LEASY RESPONSIBILITIES.

I'M SO GLAD TO SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ALCOHOL-FREE ZONE BECAUSE THE LAST THING THAT KIDS NEED WHEN THEY'RE AROUND IS TO HAVE ALCOHOL.

YOU'VE GOT THE YACHT CLUB RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

IT'S NOT VERY FAR, SO THAT'S REALLY A GOOD THING.

I WOULD ASK YOU TONIGHT TO LOOK AT THE LEASE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

EMILY, DIVE INTO IT AND SEE IF IT CAN BE MADE JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE LONG HAUL FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. LONG.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES A LONG AND AFTER MR. LONG IS CHUCK MEIDE.

FEEL FREE TO ADJUST THAT MICROPHONE SO IT'S COMFORTABLE.

>> ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS JAMES LONG.

I LIVE IN 1821 CASTILLO STREET, MENENDEZ PARK.

I'M A NATIVE, AVID BOATER, AND FISHERMEN.

SUBMITTED DOCK PLANS SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED BY THE CITY BEFORE APPROVING THIS LEASE.

A PLANNED DOCK SHOWN IN, I DON'T HAVE EXHIBIT A UP HERE, BUT NEARLY 400 FEET FROM SHORE.

THAT PUTS IT ROUGHLY 50 FEET LONGER THAN THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING DOCK, WHICH PLACES IT FURTHER INTO THE NAVIGABLE CHANNEL OF [INAUDIBLE], WELL BEYOND THE PRIVATE DOCKS TO THE NORTH, AS WELL AS THE LIGHTHOUSE FISHING PIER, SO IT'S EXTENDING OUT INTO [INAUDIBLE] INTO THE NAVIGATIONAL CHANNEL.

THIS WILL ADD TO THE CONGESTION A BOAT TRAFFIC IN THE AREA WHICH IS ALREADY CROWDED ON WEEKENDS, ESPECIALLY SO DURING HOLIDAYS, DURING FISHING TOURNAMENTS WHEN LOCAL AND NON-RESIDENT BOATERS COMPOUND BOTH STREET AND WATER TRAFFIC.

THE PROPOSED CONCEPT OF REGARD AS IN THIS SAME AREA IS DEFINITELY A POTENTIAL HAZARD AS ALL THE POWER BOATS, WATERCRAFT WOULD BE PASSING THROUGH IN BOTH DIRECTIONS IN AN ALREADY NARROW NAVIGATIONAL CHANNEL UNLESS THE LIGHTHOUSE BOAT RAMP WAS CLOSED TO PUBLIC USE DURING THIS EVENT.

DOESN'T MAKE GOOD SENSE.

DURING A PREVIOUS MEETING THIS REGARD EVENT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEM INSTALLED, WHICH I FEEL WOULD BE INEFFECTIVE AND A NUISANCE TO BOTH RESIDENTS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN THE AREA.

DUE TO THESE REASONS, I ASKED THE CITY COMMISSIONERS TO TABLE THIS PROPOSAL TODAY AND RECONSIDER THE TERMS OF THIS LEASE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. CHUCK MEIDE IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND AFTER MR. MEIDE IS BREE NETTLES.

>> HI FOLKS?

>> HOW ARE YOU?

>> VERY GOOD. THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS CHUCK MEIDE.

I AM A RESIDENT OF ST. AUGUSTINE IN DAVIS SHORES, 46 MENENDEZ ROAD, SO I'M A NEIGHBOR.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF LAMP AT THE ST. AUGUSTINE LIGHTHOUSE AND MARITIME MUSEUM.

I HAVE WRITTEN THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY LAST YEAR, AND I AM JUST HERE TODAY TO REITERATE THAT THE MUSEUM'S POSITION IS NEITHER FOR NOR AGAINST THIS YACHT CLUB PROPOSAL.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADVOCATES FOR THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE OF THE OLD LIGHTHOUSE.

DATES BACK TO POTENTIALLY AS FAR AS THE 1680S.

IT WAS CONVERTED TO A WATCH TOWER IN THE 1730S AND BECAME FLORIDA'S FIRST LIGHTHOUSE DURING THE TERRITORIAL PERIOD.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE BEEN REACHED OUT TO BY DANA SAINT CLAIRE, AND HE TOLD US THAT HIS CULTURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMPANY HAS BEEN CONTRACTED BY CARTER ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE YACHT CLUB AND HE ASKED IF WE WOULD BE WILLING TO OVERSEE THE MARITIME ARCHEOLOGY THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION.

WE SAID THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT AS LONG AS I WAS THE PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR FOR THE PROJECT AND THE LEAD AUTHOR ON ANY REPORT THAT WOULD GO TO THE STATE.

I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO OVERSEE THAT ARCHAEOLOGY IN A WAY AND GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS IN A WAY THAT WOULD PROTECT THIS SITE.

WE HAD BEEN ALREADY PLANNING BEFORE THAT APPROACH AND WE HAVEN'T SIGNED ANY CONTRACT OR ANYTHING YET, BUT THAT IS ON THE TABLE.

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WE HAD ALREADY BEEN PLANNING TO CONDUCT AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION OF THIS SITE.

LAMP LAST INVESTIGATED IT, I BELIEVE IN 2002, SO THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST IN 20 YEARS AND THAT INVESTIGATION IS STARTING NEXT WEEK.

AS OF MONDAY, WE WILL HAVE A TEAM ON THIS SITE AND WE'LL BE DOING THE MOST EXTENSIVE ARCHAEOLOGICAL EXPLORATION OF THE SITE THAT HAS EVER BEEN CONDUCTED, SO A LOT OF HYDRAULIC PROBING TO HELP UNDERSTAND THE BURIED EXTENT OF ANY STRUCTURAL REMAINS.

WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS RESEARCH.

WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME REMAINS QUITE CLOSE TO THE DOCK.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE, THIS DOCK RUNS RIGHT THROUGH IT, WHICH IS WHY THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND IF WE ALLOW ANY CONSTRUCTION TO HAPPEN.

BUT WE WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF THE EXTENT OF THE SITE FROM, AS I MENTIONED, PROBING AND ALSO ARCHAEOLOGICAL TESTING.

WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION SOON, BUT WE JUST TRUST THAT ANY DECISION MADE, WE'LL KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THIS SITE IN MIND.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BREE NETTLES.

AM I PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY? I KNOW I GOT THE NETTLES RIGHT.

WONDERFUL. THEN AFTER MS. NETTLES IS MELINDA [INAUDIBLE]. MS. NETTLES?

>> I'M BRENT NETTLES. BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CLUB FOR TWO YEARS.

>> WHERE IS THAT [INAUDIBLE]? [OVERLAPPING] THIS AIN'T BRET. [LAUGHTER]

>> BRENT. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOOD WITH HANDWRITING.

>> OKAY. GO AHEAD. WELCOME.

>> BRENT NETTLES. I LIVE AT 545 MOULTRIE WELLS.

THIS IS SO SILLY BECAUSE THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WAS A HOUSE.

THE WHOLE AREA IS COVERED BY PARKS.

WE HAVE A SKATEBOARD PARK, WE HAVE THE CLUB, WE HAVE THE LIGHTHOUSE.

THIS IS FOR KIDS AND WE'VE HEARD THE DANGERS, SO I'M ALL FOR THIS.

LET'S GET THIS GOING FOR THE KIDS.

I STARTED SAILING WHEN I WAS PROBABLY 14.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE SAILED QUARTER AWAY AROUND THE WORLD BECAUSE I KNEW HOW TO SAIL, SO THIS IS THE FUTURE.

THIS TOWN IS ABOUT WATER, IS ABOUT SCHOOLS.

THE WHOLE TOWN'S A PARK.

LET'S JUST HAVE A SCHOOL.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A FRAT HOUSE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A SCHOOL FOR KIDS TO LEARN.

THERE COULD BE A LOT WORSE THINGS GOING ON WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S A GOOD THING.

IT'S VERY EXCITING FOR THE PLACE TO HAVE ANOTHER CLUB, NOT A PARK.

IT'S A SAILING SCHOOL.

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, SAILING SAILORS, SAILING SCHOOL.

ADULTS LIKE TO SAIL TO.

THERE'S A LOT OF ADULTS THAT GREW UP WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY, SO LET AN ADULT LEARN TO SAIL.

PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE OLDER, WANT TO LEARN TO DO THINGS ALSO LIKE JUST WHEN THEY WERE KIDS.

IS TO GO, I'M ALL FOR IT, AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL WILL APPROVE IT. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER'S MELINDA [INAUDIBLE] AND AFTER MS. [INAUDIBLE] IS JOHN [INAUDIBLE].

>> MELINDA [INAUDIBLE], 86 MAGNOLIA AVENUE.

FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, THE SAILING CENTER FOR THE KIDS AND YOUTH SOUNDS GREAT.

ANYTHING TO GET KIDS OUT OF THE HOUSE, OFF OF SCREENS, IN THE FRESH AIR, I'M ALL FOR.

BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS HOUSE WAS ONCE IN AN RS1 NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE MAKING SOME CONCESSIONS, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE LIST OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS NOT VERY HEAVY-DUTY THAT CONSIDER THEM.

I THINK MAYBE LANGUAGE WISE, IF YOU REDUCE THE LANGUAGE OF A FULL DECK TO UNLIMITED PLATFORM FOR SAILING, VIEWING, SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.

IT'S STRICTLY FOR WATCHING THE CLASSES AND REGATTAS, SO THAT THIS DOESN'T END UP BEING A FULL DECK THAT COULD, A 100 YEARS, 25 YEARS FROM NOW,

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TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE.

I THINK CLARIFYING THE USE OF THAT PLATFORM AS OPPOSED TO DECK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA AND THAT IS FOR VIEWING ONLY AND TRY TO KEEP IT STRICTLY A YOUTH THING.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADULTS LEARNING TO SAIL EITHER.

I THINK THEY'RE IDEA THAT IT'D BE LOCAL ADULTS IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.

HAVING BEEN PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL, I'VE BEEN AWARE OF THIS SITUATION SINCE PRE-COVID WHEN IT'S ALL BEEN GOING ON AND ALL THE NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON FOR IT, SO I THINK A LOT OF THEM FEEL LIKE IT WAS ALL BEING SOLD.

IT WAS YOUTH, A NICE THING FOR THE KIDS AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FEELING OF A BAIT AND SWITCH WITH THE ADULT THING.

BE SENSITIVE TO THAT.

ALSO, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR HAVING LIQUOR FOUR TIMES A YEAR AND FUNDRAISERS FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

THERE IS THE YACHT CLUB RIGHT NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS FREE TO HAVE ALL YOUR FUNDRAISERS AND ALCOHOLS.

I DON T THINK THIS HOUSE NEEDS EVEN THE FOUR TIMES A YEAR FOR THAT.

ALSO, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THERE IS THE LIGHTHOUSE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND BETTER COMMUNICATION.

ONE OF THE REASONS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS FORMED IS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BOTH WITH THE CITY AND IN THIS CASE, A NEW MEMBER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK WHEN LEASES CAN BE CHANGED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE LIGHTHOUSE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BE NOTIFIED AND SOMEWHAT INCLUDED OF IT, SO THEY'RE NOT TAKEN BY SURPRISE AND HERE TONIGHT THEY AGREE TO A LEASE AND THEN AT 10 YEARS IT'S CHANGED AGAIN WITHOUT THEM HAVING ANY INPUTS.

I'M JUST SAYING BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD INITIALLY AND WITH THE LIGHTHOUSE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THERE I THINK YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT SOURCE FOR GOOD COMMUNICATION.

GOOD COMMUNICATION ALWAYS SOLVES A LOT OF PROBLEMS? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS COMING FORWARD AND THEN OUR NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE ELLEN AVERY SMITH. WELCOME.

>> YES, MY NAME IS JOAN SCOOT HACK AND I LIVE AT 104 CARVER STREET EAST, RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED SAILING CENTER.

MY HUSBAND DAVE AND I ARE NOT OPPOSED TO A YOUTH SAILING CENTER NEXT DOOR TO OUR PROPERTY AND HAVE NEVER BEEN.

WE THANK DR. PARIS FOR MAKING THE DONATION.

BUT WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE YEARS WITH THE PLANS.

FIRST IS THE CHANGE FROM A YOUTH SAILING CENTER TO A SAILING CENTER FOR ADULTS AND YOUTH.

IN FACT IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING, MAYOR UPCHURCH ACTUALLY STATED THAT HE THOUGHT THE SAILING CENTER SHOULD BE FOR 18 YEARS AND YOUNGER AND WE AGREE WITH THAT.

THANK YOU TONIGHT TO HEAR THAT THERE WILL BE NO ALCOHOL ON THE PROPERTY.

THAT WAS CERTAINLY A MAJOR CONCERN OF OURS.

BUILDING HEIGHT AND DESIGN IS ANOTHER CONCERN.

ORIGINALLY THE PLAN WAS TO REHAB THE EXISTING BUILDING WHICH IS 10-12 FEET TALL, ALLOWING A ONE STORY BUILDING WHICH IS 20 FEET TALL WITH A ROOFTOP DECK IS BASICALLY ALLOWING A TWO-PLUS STORY BUILDING.

A ROOF DECK ALSO INCREASES THE POTENTIAL THAT THIS BECOMES A PLACE FOR MEMBERS TO SOCIALIZE.

THIS BUILDING SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 12-15 HEIGHT WITHOUT A ROOF DECK AND FOCUSED ON YOUTH SAILING.

THE PROPOSED HOURS ARE FROM EIGHT TO 9:30 AND WE URGE YOU TO REDUCE THE HOURS, ADJUSTING THEM TO MATCH WITH SUNSET OR CLOSING AT 7:30 YEAR AROUND ARE BOTH ACCEPTABLE HOURS.

ALLOWING HOURS UNTIL 9:30 INDICATES THAT THIS PROPERTY IS REALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE YACHT CLUB WITH SPACE TO SOCIALIZE IN THE EVENINGS.

MOST COUNTY PARKS CLOSE AT NINE AND THIS PROPERTY SHOULD REALLY HAVE SIMILAR HOURS.

THE EXTENDED HOURS, THE ROOF DECKS, AND THE PREVIOUS PLAN TO HAVE ALCOHOL ARE ALL INCONSISTENT WITH YOUTH SAILING CENTER.

IN CONCLUSION WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO A YOUTH SAILING CENTER NEXT DOOR TO OUR HOME.

BUT WE ARE OPPOSED TO KEY ELEMENTS IN THIS LEASE.

WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IF YOU AGREE TO THIS PROPOSED LEASE, ARE YOU APPROVING A YOUTH SAILING CENTER OR ARE YOU ALLOWING AN EXPANSION IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF A PRIVATE YACHT CLUB WITH FACILITIES THAT WILL ENCOURAGE ADULTS TO SOCIALIZE IN THE EVENINGS ON THIS PROPERTY AND ON THE NEWLY PROPOSED ROOF DECK? WE THEREFORE ASK THAT WHEN APPROVING THE LEASE YOU PLACE PERMANENT LIMITS FOR NO ALCOHOL USE, A REDUCED HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AND SHORTEN HOURS, RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH A YOUTH SAILING CENTER AND INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THIS LEASE BECAUSE IT IS A 99 YEAR LEASE. THANK YOU.

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OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND AFTER THAT IS ADAM NATHANIEL POLKA.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN AVERY SMITH ROGERS TOWERS 100 WESTON PLACE.

I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH THE YACHT CLUB, COMMODORE AND TEAM FOR FOUR YEARS ALONG WITH YOUR STAFF AND ALONG WITH DR. PARIS AND HIS FAMILY AS WELL.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONG JOURNEY AND THAT WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF INPUT.

I JUST WANTED TO START OUT BY THANKING EVERYONE INVOLVED BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN FOUR YEARS OF BACK AND FORTH IN DETAIL AND TRYING TO DRAFT THROUGH COMMITTEE SO WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S HELP IN GETTING THIS FAR.

ALSO WE HAVE TO THANK DR. PARIS TOO.

THIS IS A VERY GENEROUS DONATION TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND OUR YOUTH AND INCLUDING ADULTS, A FEW, IN THE LEASE WHO MIGHT WANT TO LEARN TO SAIL AT THE CENTER.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE EXISTING LAND USE AND ZONING OF THE PROPERTY WOULD ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE WHICH COULD BE UP TO 35 FEET IN HEIGHT AND HAVE A DECK.

I JUST GIVE YOU THAT AS CONTEXT, WHAT CAN OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY NOW.

THE DEED DOES INCLUDE A REVERTER.

ONCE THE DONATION IS MADE, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THE YACHT CLUB DOES NOT COME TO FRUITION THROUGH A LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE, THE PROPERTY WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE PARIS OWNERSHIP AND IT COULD BE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.

OBVIOUSLY THE YACHT CLUB DOES NOT INTEND TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHY WE'VE WORKED FOR SO MANY HOURS, OVER FOUR YEARS, TO GET THE DETAILS OF THE LEASE.

I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WHO WON'T AGREE WITH EVERY WORD IN THE DOCUMENT BUT I CAN TELL YOU BETWEEN MR. BERTRAM, MS. LOPEZ, AND OTHERS WE HAVE GIVEN IT A REAL TRY.

WE'VE DRAFTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THEIR HARD WORK.

WITH RESPECT TO THE DOCK THE EXHIBIT IS ATTACHED TO THE LEASE.

IT'S THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE EXISTING DOCK.

WE HAVE TRIED VERY HARD TO MAKE THE BLACKS AND OTHER ADJACENT OWNERS, WE'VE MET WITH THEM, WE'VE MADE NUMEROUS CHANGES BASED ON THEIR COMMENTS.

AGAIN, WE HAVE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE THIS LEASE GOOD FOR EVERYONE AND THERE ARE JUST A FEW DETAILS THAT THE NEIGHBORS WANT THAT REALLY AREN'T MATERIAL TO THE FUNCTIONING OF THE SAILING CENTER AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE LEASE.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE ARE THE SAME ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING, BASICALLY AT THE BOAT RAMP AND IN LIGHTHOUSE PARK FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

WE'RE JUST LITERALLY MOVING THEM TO THEIR OWN PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE YACHT CLUB BUILDING THAT EXIST TODAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR STAFF AND EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. SMITH.

ADAM POLKA IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER.

>> I'M SORRY. WE JUST LOST QUORUM I BELIEVE.

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON ANYTHING.

>> I KNOW BUT WE HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING GOING ON. THANK YOU.

>> WELCOME.

>> HELLO. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU MAYOR UPCHURCH AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR INVITING ME HERE AND LETTING ME SPEAK.

I'VE BEEN WORKING AT THE YACHT CLUB FOR THE PAST TWO SUMMERS NOW.

>> LET ME INTERRUPT YOU VERY QUICKLY.

IF YOU'D STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> ADAM NATHANIEL POLKA, 55 COQUINA AVENUE.

I'VE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR THE PAST FEW SUMMERS AS A LEVEL 1 SAILING INSTRUCTOR.

I'M ALSO AN EAGLE SCOUT, I'M A VARSITY ATHLETE, AND I'M HEAVILY INVOLVED IN MANY OTHER THINGS INCLUDING FLYING. I'M A SOLO PILOT.

MANY OF THE LESSONS I'VE LEARNED AT THE YACHT CLUB BEING INSTRUCTOR AND THE HIGH PRESSURE SITUATIONS AND THE SPORT OF SAILING HAVE TAUGHT ME INVALUABLE LESSONS ON COMMUNICATION, LEADERSHIP AND JUST HOW TO BE A BETTER PERSON, TAKE CARE OF OTHERS.

THROUGHOUT MY TIME HERE IT HAS SHOWN ME HOW TO BE ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND HELP TEACH OTHER PEOPLE WHICH I BELIEVE ARE INVALUABLE FOR CITIZENSHIP AND BEING A GOOD PERSON.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS ADDITIONAL SAILING CENTER WOULD HELP ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND MY AGE.

YOU'LL LEARN VALUES THAT I'VE LEARNED AND TO HELP IN THE COMMUNITY, TO BE A BETTER PERSON.

ALONG WITH THIS, IT WOULD ALSO HELP THEM JUST FIND A SPORT WHERE THEY CAN FIT IN AND FEEL GOOD BECAUSE AS A YOUTH, SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND FRIENDS AND TO FIT IN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU SIR. NOW, MS.

[01:25:05]

BARRIER I HAVE A CARD FOR YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN.

DO YOU NEED TO SPEAK AGAIN? VERY QUICKLY, IF YOU WOULD.

DR. PARIS, I HAD A CARD FOR YOU.

DID YOU PLAN TO SPEAK AGAIN DURING THE PUBLIC? THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MY NAME IS MARISSA BURRIER, 2939 COASTAL HIGHWAY.

I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME UP WHILE I HAVE A MINUTE HERE.

YES, THE KIDS ARE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY THEY ARE 80, 90 PERCENT OF OUR PROGRAMMING BUT WE DO TEACH ADULTS AND I THINK TEACHING ADULTS IS IMPORTANT.

MAJORITY OF THE ADULTS WE TEACH ARE ACTUALLY PARENTS OF THE KIDS IN A CLINIC STYLE FORMAT AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO SAIL WITH THEIR KIDS. IT'S PRETTY AWESOME.

ADDITIONALLY THERE YACHT CLUB MEMBERS WHO JUST WANT TO LEARN HOW TO SAIL THE BOATS TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY THE WATERWAY SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE ADULT EDUCATION AND I DO FIND THAT TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.

ALSO LET'S SEE BEYOND MEMBERS AND ADULTS I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU GUYS, SAID I LOVED THE IDEA TO HAVE THE LIGHTHOUSE REPRESENTATIVES COME AND GIVE SOME EDUCATION EVERY WEEK.

I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO START THAT MONDAY.

[LAUGHTER] IF YOU COULD COME AND FIND ME, I'M VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT.

ALSO I THINK THAT THE LIGHTHOUSE PARK HAS OTHER PUBLIC BUSINESSES AND ACCESS OPTIONS THAT DRAW FAR MORE CARS AND PEOPLE THAN OUR PROGRAM DOES.

WE AVERAGE ABOUT 40 A WEEK AND I THINK THE LIGHTHOUSE DOES THAT IN OVER A DAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE THE MAIN PROBLEM.

ALSO THE 9:30 PM.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE SOME EDUCATION FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND SAILING EDUCATION.

NOT ONLY DO WE GO AND WE SAIL ON THE WATER BUT WE TAKE VIDEOS AND WE COME BACK AND WE DO WHAT'S CALLED A DEBRIEF AND WE NEED ABOUT AN HOUR FOR THAT AFTER WE PUT ALL OUR EQUIPMENT AWAY AND THE DEBRIEF IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM FOR BOTH KIDS AND ADULTS.

IN THE SUMMERTIME HOURS WERE OFF THE WATER BY 8:00, AND WE NEED TO PUT OUR BOATS AWAY, AND THEN WE NEED TO ALSO DO OUR DEBRIEF WITH VIDEOS WHICH MAKES IT COME FULL CIRCLE.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT'S WHY THE 9:30.

ALSO THE OBSERVATION DECK IS ACTUALLY VERY COMMON, ACROSS ALL SAILING CENTERS ACROSS THE NATION.

NOT ONLY WILL PARENTS BE ABLE TO VIEW THEIR KIDS SAILING BUT WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR DAY TIME ONLY EDUCATIONAL SPACE FOR ALL.

I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE THINGS, I HOPE WOULD ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE SOME CLARITY.

I'D ALSO LOVE TO INVITE YOU TO ANY LIGHTHOUSE PARK MEETINGS AND SHARE ANY OF MY EXPERTISE THAT I COULD AND I'LL REMAIN ACCESSIBLE AND OPEN TO ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BJ.

COLLADING.

>> MR. UPCHURCH, DID YOU GET A CARD WITH RED LETTERS AT THE TOP?

>> YES, I DID. MS. COLETTI.

I'M CONDUCTING A PUBLIC HEARING HERE.

I ACCOMMODATE YOUR REQUEST 99 PERCENT OF THE TIMES, BUT I HAVE BOTH THE PROPONENT AND AN OP OR A CONCERNED CITIZEN THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS ITEM, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK LAST, AND I'M GOING TO GRANT THEM THAT PRIVILEGE AS I GRANT IT TO YOU ALMOST EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

>> BJ COLETTI, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AND THIS IS HOW THESE MEETINGS DO GO.

IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE.

WELL, THAT'S FINE. I DIDN'T BRING MY NOTES.

LET ME GET MY NOTES, KEEP THE TIME GOING.

>> I HAVE THREE CARDS LEFT.

TYRONE BENNETT HAS JUST GIVEN ME A CARD.

THEN MS. DEBBIE WICKER AND THEN ROY JAEGER WILL BE BASED UPON THE CARDS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> THE LEASE AND WARRANTY DEED AT 110 CARVER STREET E SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED TONIGHT.

MS. LOPEZ ADVISED ME ON JULY 7TH OF THE LAST WEEK, THESE DOCUMENTS WERE CREATED BY HER AFTER MR. BURCHAM MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED TONIGHT AND I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MEETING WITH THE LAWYERS, SHE THOUGHT MAYBE AVERY SMITH WAS STILL INVOLVED BUT DIDN'T KNOW.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS TWO STAFF ARE THE ONES THAT COME UP WITH THE LEASE.

THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE LEASE OR DEED.

WHAT IS PRESENTED DOES NOT ENHANCE AND MAINTAIN QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

THAT'S A PROBLEM WHENEVER WE HAVE CONCERNED NEIGHBORS COME IN HERE AND THEY HAVE TO BE IN A CLICK, THEY GET SOMETHING DONE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUTH, YES, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUTH.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO READ ALL THE EMAILS THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

[01:30:03]

I AGREE WITH SPEAKER TO THE POINT THAT THIS REQUEST SHOULD BE TABLED TONIGHT.

YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION, BUT NOT BASED ON ALL THE FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.

TO DO THAT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE NOT ONLY TO THIS COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE HANDLED THIS TONIGHT.

I WILL BE BACK AND I WILL WRITE ON THE CARD.

I HAVE TOLD ONE PERSON THE LITTLE GAME WE HAVE TO PLAY IN THIS MEETING THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE OR JUST BEFORE MS. COLETTI BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS SPEAKS LAST.

YOU LEARN THAT WHENEVER YOU COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND PARTICIPATE AS A TAX-PAYING MEMBER.

LET'S SEE THE LAST TWO PEOPLE OR THREE PEOPLE NOW MAYBE MORE, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS, BUT IT SHOULD BE TABLED.

SOMEONE ASKED ME TOO, IF MR. VALDEZ SHOULD RECUSE HIMSELF BECAUSE THE CHILD THAT GOT UP HERE AND SPOKE, BUT HE DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF THIS, I'M SURE SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO.

BUT IT'S REALLY BEEN A PLEASURE COMING UP HERE AND SPEAKING AGAIN, AND I'M GLAD THIS IS GOING OR YOU DON'T THINK YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD.

I HOPE THIS REALLY DOES GET STREAMED OUT SOME TIME, 6543.

>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TYRONE BENNETT, AFTER MR. BENNETT IS DEBBIE WICKER [BACKGROUND].

HELLO, SIR. IF YOU PLEASE BE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES. TYRONE BENNETT, 256 [INAUDIBLE] AVENUE.

NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU TODAY.

WELL, CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS GETTING FILIBUSTERED.

THAT'S INTERESTING. [LAUGHTER] I HAD TO START OFF WITH A JOKE.

BUT SERIOUSLY, I REMEMBER THIS TOPIC BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2021, IT WAS ON THE DOCKET, THE GO OVER.

AS PEOPLE ARE PROPOSING, THE GREAT THING ABOUT AMERICA IS THAT WE CAN DISAGREE, WE CAN SHARE DISAGREEMENTS CIVILLY.

SOMETIMES IT GETS A LITTLE BIT HEATED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT THE ONE THING I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE'RE FIGHTING.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I REMEMBERED THE ARGUMENT BACK THEN, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF MEETING THE MIDDLE.

YOU'RE FIGHTING WITH CHILDREN.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I OWN A HOME. I KNOW.

BUT WE'RE GOING BACK-AND-FORTH WITH CHILDREN.

DO YOU WANT THE CHILDREN TO BE AT A YACHTING CENTER OR DO YOU WANT THEM TO SHOOT UP ST. AUGUSTINE HIGH-SCHOOL? LET'S BRING IT TO 100 PERCENT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK LIKE THAT, LET'S TALK IT.

BECAUSE THINGS THAT HAVE ACTIVITY KEEPS MINDS BUSY, IDLE MINDS ARE DANGEROUS MINDS.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE COMMUNITY, IT'S GOING TO HELP CHILDREN KEEP THEIR MINDS BUSY, LEARNING, EDUCATING.

WHY ARE WE FIGHTING SO MUCH? WHY ARE WE NOT COMING TO AN AGREEMENT? WHY ARE WE NOT COMING TO SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT ONE OF THESE CHILDREN, LATER ON YOU FIND OUT THEY HAD A MENTAL ISSUE OR SOMETHING HAPPENING AND SOMETHING TRAGIC HAPPENS.

WE HAVE TO THINK REALITY.

REALITY IS SPORTS AND EXTRA ENTERTAINMENT KEEPS MINDS OF CHILDREN BUSY SO THAT THEY DON'T DO STUFF THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO DO.

AS A COMMUNITY, ST. AUGUSTINE'S IS STRONG BASE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE TO THINK, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, WE NEED TO COME TO A RESOLUTION SO THAT BOTH SIDES ARE HAPPY.

WE CAN'T JUST KEEP GOING JUST BACK-AND-FORTH, WHILE THEY'RE BAD.

NOW IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, IT'S ABOUT ALTERNATIVE MOTIVE.

DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE COMING TOGETHER.

TOO MUCH DIVISION COMING TOGETHER, WE MUST COME TOGETHER.

I AM A STRONG PULL ON IT THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK THEIR PIECE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT TODAY.

THINK OF COMMUNITY.

[NOISE] THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DEBBIE WICKER.

[01:35:05]

>> HELLO.

>> DEBBIE WICKER, LIGHTHOUSE AVENUE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU GUYS ACCEPTED THIS PROPOSAL IN OCTOBER OF 2019, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHIFTED.

WE SAID, OKAY, THE CITY COMMISSIONERS WANT THIS TO HAPPEN FOR THE YOUTH OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HONOR YOUR WORD THAT YOU SAID AT THAT MEETING TO DO PRESSING THINGS IN PLACE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO USE SAILING CENTER, BUT WE'D LIKE TO PUT SOME THINGS IN PLACE TO PROTECT US.

EVEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID 10 PERCENT, WE SAID IN A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING YOU SAW MY NOTES, 10 PERCENT ADULT USES IS OKAY.

I SEE THE LEASE SAYS 20 PERCENT NOW.

THAT MIGHT BE FINE IF IT'S PREDOMINANTLY FOR YOUTH.

NOW, THE ORIGINAL BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL SAY THAT BUILDING WOULD REMAIN ONE STORY, SAME HEIGHT, SAME FOOTPRINT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.

COMMISSIONER VALDEZ, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING SUCH A BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE AGREED WITH THAT.

THE ROOFTOP DECK DISH TAKES THAT BENEFIT AWAY, AND WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE VOLUME UP THERE AND THAT MIGHT BE DISTURBING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TAKEN OUT.

GOOD, THEY TAKE OUT THE ALCOHOL THIS WONDERFUL, GOOD JOB.

PARKING ON-SITE NOW, I THINK THAT'S GREAT AS LONG AS THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING IN THE 36, 32 SPACES COMBINED FOR THE YACHT CLUB AND THE SAILING CENTER, WE'RE GOOD.

TRAFFIC, THIS YEAR I HAVE SEEN THE SAILING CENTER DO A GREAT JOB WITH DIVERTING THE TRAFFIC UP DOWN RED COX DRIVE.

IT HASN'T BEEN GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO COMMEND THEM FOR THAT.

I HOPE THAT THAT CONTINUES, SO THAT'S GOOD.

I'D LIKE THE LEAST TO COME BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ANY CHANGE, NOT NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M SORRY, THE CITY COMMISSION, JOHN REAGAN SAID THAT THE LEASE SHOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR ANY CHANGES AND ANY ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING AND I AGREE WITH THAT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG ASK.

THEN WE CAN HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT FOR THAT.

THE OTHER THING, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE HOURS GOING WITH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME.

MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

THE DOCK IS TOO LARGE.

I THINK THAT THE DOCK IS TOO LARGE, BUT THAT CAN BE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PCB.

I THINK THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT DOCK WAS GOING TO BE REBUILT THE SAME SIZE AS PRE-HURRICANE DOCK, AND THIS IS MUCH LARGER THAN THAT.

THIS IS PROBABLY SIX TIMES THE END OF THE PRE-HURRICANE SIZE DOCK.

I THINK THAT CAN BE TAKEN BACK SOME AND STILL BE USEFUL AS YOU USE SAILING CENTER.

I DO WANT TO SAY I DID SUGGEST TO MEMBERS OF THE YACHT CLUB THAT SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS IN OUR COUNTY THAT SERVE UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN BE OFFERED SCHOLARSHIPS.

THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, THE TITLE ONE SCHOOLS, THE WEST AUGUSTINE AMERICAN LEGION PROGRAM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS ROY JAEGER.

THE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE YACHT CLUB.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

OH, 369 VAL VERDE LANE, ST. AUGUSTINE.

I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE YACHT CLUB FOR MANY YEARS AND AS I GO BACK THROUGH THIS AND MY EARLIER MEETINGS WITH THE YACHT CLUB AND BEING A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT COME UP WITH JUNIOR SAILING AND HOW CAN WE DO JUNIOR SAILING HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I'M FROM NEW JERSEY AND MY SON WAS IN THE RIVER RATS AND FAIR HAVEN, NEW JERSEY AND I JUST MODELED THAT THE LIFE THAT THOSE KIDS HAD.

NOW, GOING FORWARD, WE HAD TO USE SAILING PROGRAM THAT STARTED 10 YEARS AGO IN 2012 AND WE ADD 38 SAILORS.

ETHAN WHO SPOKE A LITTLE WHILE AGO WAS ONE OF THOSE SAILORS.

LAST WEEK, I WENT OUT FOR ONE OF THE ADULT THINGS AND ETHAN WAS THE ONE WHO WAS DRIVING THE BOAT AND HE SAID, "YOU DON'T REMEMBER ME." HE SAID I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.

WELL, NOW YOU SEE HE'S GOT A NICE DARK BEARD.

[LAUGHTER] I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE AND BARBARA DOLAN, MYSELF, AND MANY OF YOU REMEMBER WENDY THOMPSON AND WE STARTED THE SAILING PROGRAM.

WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROGRAM, WE PUT 38 KIDS THROUGH THE PROGRAM THE FIRST YEAR.

NOW WE'VE PUT OVER 1,200 REGISTRATIONS THROUGH THE PROGRAM.

[01:40:04]

IT'S JUST BEEN AN INCREDIBLE SUCCESS.

IT'S BEEN VERY REWARDING.

I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF PUBLIC WORK ON THE OTHER SIDE AND BELIEVE ME WHEN DEBBY GOT UP AND SPOKE RATHER, WE'VE BOTH COME A LONG WAY BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN AT OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE TABLE IN MANY OCCASIONS, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD POSITION.

BUT I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT WE INITIATED, IN MANY CASES, THE MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WE TRIED TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DOING ALONG THE WAY.

NOW WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT, SAFETY FOCUS, MANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT, AND THE PROGRAM OPERATES IN NON-PEAK TRAFFIC AND IS ESSENTIALLY A DROP-OFF AND PICK-UP.

NOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC WHILE THE PROGRAM AND THE LAYOUT FOR THE NEW SAILING CENTER, AS IT GOES THROUGH THE YATCH CLUB PROPERTY, CIRCLES AROUND.

THEY DROPPED THEIR CHILDREN OFF AND THEY COME BACK AT THREE O'CLOCK, SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN WITHIN THE PEAK HOURS.

I WOULD SUBMIT THAT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM MANY SPEAKERS ABOUT THE SAFETY RISK, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE HAD DONE CHARTS FOR AND EVERYTHING.

OH, MY GOODNESS. [LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. JAEGER.

[LAUGHTER] AT THIS POINT I HAVE NO MORE SPEAKER'S CARDS AND THIS PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION IS NOW CLOSED. COMMISSIONERS.

>> OKAY, WELL, I'LL JUST JUMP IN HERE.

IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A FEW ISSUES OUTSTANDING.

I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE REMOVAL OF THE ALCOHOL AND THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE ALCOHOL, THE CHANGE OF THE ROOFTOP DECK TO THE DAYLIGHT HOURS, THE ROOFTOP OBSERVATION DECK TO THAT DATE, TIME HOURS, AND THAT ADULTS ARE DEFINED AS RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR ATTEND SCHOOL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THE REMOVAL OF THE ALCOHOL, I THINK I SAID THAT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HEAR FROM THE YACHT CLUB AND THEN THE THINGS THAT I HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE CONCERNS WITH THE IMPACTS TO THE MARITIME ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE.

THE REQUEST FOR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS OR PANELS OR SOME PROGRAM WITH THE CHILDREN WITH THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE, WHICH I THINK IS A FABULOUS IDEA.

THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE OBSERVATION DECK BEING THERE OR JUST STRAIGHT OBJECTION TO THE OBSERVATION DECK.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REQUESTING ANY CHANGES TO THE LEASE GO THROUGH THE COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE, AND I ASSUME MS. LOPEZ, THAT'S ALREADY A PART OF THIS LEASE, CORRECT?

>> NUMBER 33.

>> OKAY. ALSO, A HEIGHT LIMIT REQUESTS TO 12-15 FEET WITH NO DECK DAYLIGHT HOURS OF OPERATIONS ONLY, AND THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD.

I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PRESERVING THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE.

I THINK, HOWEVER, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING OR FOR THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY AND THAT CAN BE TAKEN UP WITH THEM.

ALTHOUGH I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEND THE IMPRESSION THAT WE THINK IT'S OKAY TO IMPACT THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED ALREADY THROUGH THE CHAPEAU AS A COMMENT TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMIT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THE CONCERN ABOUT OBSERVATION DECK, I SUPPOSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WANT TO TALK ABOUT AMONGST OURSELVES, HOW WE FEEL CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

THE HEIGHT MAYBE GOES ALONG WITH THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE HEIGHTS AT 20 FEET AND THEN IN THE LEASE. OKAY.

>> YES. BUT UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THAT WE WOULD MEASURE THAT HEIGHT TO THE TOP OF THE MOST HABITABLE STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE THE TOP OF THE RAILING.

>> TOP OF THE RAILING.

>> IF THEY HAD A DECK ON THE ROOF, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A FOUR-FOOT BARRIER.

SO THE TOP OF THE PEAK OF THE ROOF WOULD ACTUALLY BE AT 16 FEET.

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>> HOW'S THAT ELEVATION MEASURED? IS IT MEASURED FROM THE GROUND OR IS IT MEASURED FROM THE NGBD OR NAVD?

>> IT WOULD NORMALLY BE MEASURED FROM NAVD IF IT WAS IN A FLOODPLAIN.

BUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T AN X FLOODPLAIN, SO IT WOULD BE MEASURED FROM GRADE TO PEAK OF A ROOF.

[OVERLAPPING] THEN IF THERE WAS A DECK, IT WOULD REQUIRE A FOUR-FOOT RAILING AROUND IT.

ACTUALLY GOT 26 OR 20 FEET.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE CONCERNS REALLY ARE ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND THE OBSERVATION DECK NECESSITY.

COMMISSIONER HORVATH HAS OBJECTIONS.

SHE SAYS THAT SHE FEELS LIKE THAT DEBT CAN BE BUILT IN FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE AND STILL GET THE SIDELINE NEEDED.

THAT'S HER POSITION. I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY? [OVERLAPPING].

>> ON THE DECK, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH AN OBSERVATION.

MANGROVES ARE GROWING QUITE HAPPILY. WE ALL KNOW THAT.

PART OF THE REASON THIS DOCK HEAD IS SO BIG IS TO KEEP THE IMPACTS OF THE BOATS OF THE KIDS OFF THE WETLANDS AND THE MANGROVE GROWTH, AND ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT WOULD BE DISTURBED BY LAUNCHING AND RETRIEVING BOATS.

I GET THE SIZE, THE DOCK HEAD.

THE REASON YOU HAVE THE OBSERVATION DECK IS, WHEN THAT COASTLINE CLOSES IN THE MANGROVES, IF YOU'RE ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE WATER.

WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE ABOUT HOW THE MANGROVES ARE GOING TO STARVE OUT THE VIEWS AROUND HERE.

THAT APPLIES TO THE YACHT CLUB AS WELL.

THAT DOCK HEAD WAS IN FULL OPERATION WITH BOATS BEING LAUNCHED, BOATS BEING RETRIEVED AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

THERE'S NO PLACE FOR AN OLD PERSON LIKE ME TO GO OUT AND WATCH THE KIDS SAIL.

I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON TOP OF THAT OBSERVATION, LOOKING OVER THE MANGROVES, NOT DRINKING A BEER, NOT BLOWING A BULLHORN, JUST WATCHING MY NEPHEWS.

YES, I'M VERY PROUD OF MY NEPHEWS FOR BEING IN THIS PROGRAM, AS I WAS IN A PROGRAM VERY SIMILAR ALMOST 70 YEARS AGO, THAT IS 60 YEARS AGO.

I UNDERSTAND THE OBSERVATION DECK.

I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING A PARTY DECK.

I SEE IT AS HAVING A NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHTS.

IT'S TO GET OVER THE MANGROVES, WHICH IF THEY'RE NOT APPEARING NOW, THEY SURELY WILL.

A DECK DOWN THAT GRID IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.

>> I APPRECIATE THE OBSERVATION, WHAT I WOULD ALSO ADD AND ELLEN AVERY SMITH'S CITED IT AS WELL AS MR. BERTRAM, AND I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

IF THIS REMAINS AS A RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ONE, IT'S 35-FOOT.

IN FACT, THERE ARE TWO VERY TALL STRUCTURES, JUST IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THIS SITE.

THAT'S EVIDENCE OF WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE.

[OVERLAPPING] IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SAILING SCHOOL.

>> MAY I ASK ONE QUESTION? DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE OBSERVATION CAN BE DONE FROM THE DOCK? DID YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

>> NO, THE PROBLEM WITH THE DOCK.

IF YOU WATCH THE DOCK, YOU HAVE THE DOCK ACCESS, THEN YOU HAVE THE DOCK HEAD WHICH SHOWS BIRTHING FOR 20 SMALL BOATS, PROBABLY PRAMS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE [OVERLAPPING] SAILING LASERS OR WHATEVER.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A FLOATING DOCK.

IT'S PROBABLY A SAIL ON.

IT WOULD BE THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY DRIVE THE BOAT UPON TO.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE THERE.

TO HAVE THE BOATS OUT ON THE DOCK KEEPS THEM OFF THE BEACH, KEEP THEM OFF THE BEACH.

MR. BLONDER WILL CHIME ON THIS, IT PRESERVES THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE SHORELINE.

THAT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE IMPORTANT AS YOU GET MANGROVES GROWING THERE.

FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO BE OUT WATCHING THE KIDS SAILING AND BE OUT ON THAT DOCK HEAD, THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A LAUNCHING AND RETRIEVING OF THESE BOATS.

ALL THE ACTIVITY THAT OCCURS WHEN YOU HAVE THAT GOING ON, SO THAT'S THE REASON I GET THE OBSERVATION DECK, AND WHY THEY WANTED TO APPLY. MR. BLONDER.

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE CAN TRIM MANGROVES.

THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY A CONTRACTOR, AND IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE THEY GET TOO HIGH.

THAT CAN BE MANAGED WITH REGARD TO THE SIGHT LINE AND MANGROVES.

I'M NOT REALLY GOING TO GET IN THAT CASE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S SIX FEET, THOUGH?

>> YEAH, SIX. ONCE THEY ESTABLISH, THEN I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT RANGE WHERE THEY CAN BE TRIMMED, BUT THEY CAN BE TRIMMED.

IT'S SIX FEET, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THAT COULD IMPAIR, CERTAINLY, SO I'M TORN ON THE ROOFTOP DECK.

MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE ROOFTOP DECK WAS THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE ALCOHOL.

TO THAT POINT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEASE ACTUALLY EXPLICITLY PROHIBITS ALCOHOL.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT JUST ABOUT ANYBODY CAN GET A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT TO SERVE ALCOHOL.

I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE PARAMETERS OF THAT,

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BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT ALCOHOL USE.

I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THE YACHT CLUB MEMBERS AT THEIR REQUEST, AND THAT'S WHERE WE DEVELOP THE IDEA ABOUT RESTRICTING ANY ADULT USAGE TO COUNTY RESIDENTS OR COUNTY SCHOOL ATTENDEES.

I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE THAT.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S SOMEWHERE IN THE LEASE THAT IT NOW SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT 80 PERCENT YOUTH, BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT, THAT MEANS SCROLLING THROUGH IT DURING THIS MEETING.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOME PARAMETER ON THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUTH BEING INSTRUCTED VERSUS ADULTS BEING INSTRUCTED.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADULT INSTRUCTION HEADING TOWARD, AND ADULTS ACTUALLY GOING INTO A TEACHING PROGRAM SO THAT THEY'RE BEING INSTRUCTED TO BE INSTRUCTORS FOR YOUTH.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT IN THE LEASE.

I ALSO AGREE WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION AT 9:30 AT NIGHT ARE JUST WAY TOO LONG.

MOST PARKS THAT I'M AWARE OF CLOSE AT SUNSET OR A HALF AN HOUR AFTER SUNSET, SOME PERIOD OF TIME THAT IS LINKED TO SUNSET.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ROLLED BACK.

THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE.

OVERALL, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE MANY EMAILS AND COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, THAT I RECEIVED, AND THAT WE HEARD.

I LIKE TO SEE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT IN OUR DELIBERATIONS.

I AM OVERALL VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE IDEA OF A YOUTH SAILING PROGRAM, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TO TERMS IN A LEASE THAT TIGHTENS THESE QUESTIONS UP.

>> YES. VICE MAYOR.

>> MAY I ASK THE QUESTION THROUGH THE MAYOR? WHERE DID YOU FALL ON THE OBSERVATION DECK? DID YOU MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THAT? [LAUGHTER] HE MADE A STATEMENT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FEEL OUT WHERE WE ALL ARE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I'M AMBIVALENT ON THE DECK.

I WAS FULL ON NO DECK WHEN IT WAS TIED TO ALCOHOL.

BUT IF THE ALCOHOL IS REMOVED, I COULD SUPPORT A DECK.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK ALCOHOL BEING REMOVED IS HUGE.

>> THE ONLY REMAINING ISSUE, WE HAD A QUESTION AND THEN AN ISSUE.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLONDER THAT 9:30 IS TOO LATE IN MY OPINION.

I APPRECIATE MS. BAYERS EXPLANATION FOR THAT.

I RECOGNIZE IT MAY NOT BE IDEAL FOR THEM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY'RE WINDING THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.

>> DO WE DO THIS? COULD WE DO ONE HOUR AFTER SUNSET.? HERE'S THE REASON.

DURING THE SUMMERTIME, WHICH IS THE TIME THE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE DOING MOST OF THEIR SAILING, YOUR BEST WIN IS IN THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE YOU GOT YOURSELF A SEA BREEZE.

WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR. WE KNOW WHAT MEANS.

IT DIES OUT ABOUT SUNDOWN.

THAT'S WHEN THE BOATS COME OUT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE SAILING IN THE AFTERNOON.

IT'S NOT SO HOT. THEY'VE GOT A GOOD BREEZE BLOWING, THAT'S WHEN YOU SAIL SAILS BOATS.

THEY COME IN, THEY PUT THEIR BOATS UP, THEY SECURE THEIR BOATS, THEY WASH THEM DOWN.

THEY DO ALL THE THINGS THAT GOOD SAILORS DO.

THEN THEY GO BACK UP TO THE SAILING CENTER, AND THEY REVIEW THE VIDEOS BECAUSE IT'S THE SAILING TEAM OF WHAT THEY DID RIGHT, WHAT THEY DID WRONG.

THESE ARE PART OF EDUCATION.

I UNDERSTAND AT 9:30 IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT'S STILL DAYLIGHT AT 8:30, EIGHT O'CLOCK.

INSTEAD OF TYING IT TO A HARD TIME, SAY THERE HAS TO BE BUTTONED UP ONE HOUR AFTER SUNDOWN OR AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF AFTER SUNDOWN.

I DON'T THINK A BUNCH OF KIDS THAT BRING THEIR OPTIMIST PRAMS ARE GOING TO THROW A PARTY AT 9:30 IN THE NIGHT.

>> I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT A PARTY.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MOMS AND DADS ARE EITHER COMING TO PICK THEM UP, OR THEY'RE DRIVING THEMSELVES HOME.

IT'S LIKE THE CHURCH LATIN OUT.

YOU HAVE A RUSH OF TRAFFIC THERE.

WE WANT TO DE-INTENSIFY THE USE OF THE PROPERTY INTO THE EVENING AND NIGHT.

I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MOVE IT BACK.

>> BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, AREN'T THOSE IMPACTS ALREADY BEING FELT, PERHAPS FOR 10 YEARS NOW.

THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT THE KIDS OR THE PRAMS. THE PROBLEM IS THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FOUR BOAT RAMPS OR THREE BOAT RAMPS IN THIS COUNTY THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE 20-FOOT PLUS BOATS AND GO OFFSHORE.

I DON'T LAUNCH AT ALL ON THE WEEKENDS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WALK 40 MILES AFTER I FIND A PLACE TO PARK MY TRAILER IN SOMEONE ELSE'S YARD, UNFORTUNATELY.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE PRESSURE OF THE LIGHTHOUSE, THEY PUT HIS FEELING.

IT'S THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE BOAT RAMPS FOR BIG BOOTS, AND WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WITH BIG BOATS.

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE IMPACTS HAVE BEEN FELT THERE FOR 10 YEARS, NOTHING'S CHANGING HERE.

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>> VICE MAYOR SIKES. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I SUPPORT THE DAYLIGHT HOURS OF USAGE.

THE YACHT CLUB THEMSELVES, AS I RECALL, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON.

I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD ALSO BE NOT JUST THE CENTER, BUT ALSO THE DECK FOR THE ENTIRE FACILITY.

NOBODY ON THE DECK AFTER DARK. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THEY DON'T HAVE A REASON TO BE UP THERE.

>> DOESN'T THAT SEEM REASONABLE TO YOU?

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE TIMES.

>> WE'RE JUST SAYING SUNSET?

>> SUNRISE, SUNSET.

>> MS. LOPEZ, LET'S GO BACK TO THE REVERTER.

YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY, AND I'VE GOTTEN CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

MY SENSE IS, I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS COMMISSION IS, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT USED AS A SAILING CENTER, THAT THE PROPERTY BECOMES A PASSIVE PARK FOR THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

>> YES, SIR AND WE DID CHAT EARLIER ABOUT THAT.

THAT IS A PROVISION OF THE EXISTING DRAFT LANGUAGE, I SUPPOSE, OF THE DEED.

IT STATES GRAIN TEA MAY ONLY USE THE LAND STRUCTURES AND FIXTURES THERE ON FOR THE PURPOSE OF A SAILING CENTER OPERATED BY THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB AS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION.

SHOULD THE ST. AUGUSTINE YACHT CLUB OR IT'S NOT FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION, BE UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO CONTINUE THE OPERATIONS OF THE SAILING CENTER IN THE FUTURE.

GRAIN TEA MAY USE THE LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF A PASSIVE PARK.

THAT IS ALL IT SAYS ON THAT, REVERTER.

>> THAT CONFORMS WITH THE REVERTER IN THE DEED?

>> YOU MEAN THE LEASE? THAT IS THE DEED LANGUAGE THAT I JUST READ.

>> OKAY, THE LEASE IS SILENT ON THE REVERTER, WHICH MAKES SENSE?

>> CORRECT. THE LEASE IS A 99 YEAR LEASE STATIC.

THAT 99 YEARS IS NOT REFLECTED IN THIS LANGUAGE IN THE PROPOSED DEED IF THAT'S YOUR QUESTION.

>> I'M USING THE WORD REVERTER, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S EXACTLY THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THE DEED IS CLEAR THAT AT SUCH TIME AS IT IS NOT USED AS A SAILING CENTER, THAT THEN BECOMES THE SOLE PROPERTY OF THE CITIES AND WILL BE USED AS A PASSIVE PARK?

>> CORRECT.

>> MS. SMITH, AS I'M ALLOWING YOU TO SPEAK AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE YACHT CLUB.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT THE DEED SAYS THAT IN THE EVENT THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE DOES NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE AND ZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW A SAILING CENTER, THEN IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO DR. PARIS SO HE CAN USE IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.

>> BECAUSE HE'S GIVING IT TO THE CITY WITH THE INTENT AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WILL BE USED TO SAILING CENTER.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE LEASE AS DRAFTED WITH ONE CHANGE, WHICH IS THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE SUNSET TO SUNRISE.

>> THE OFFERS FROM THE YACHT CLUB, THERE WERE THREE ITEMS THAT YACHT CLUB AGREED INCLUDING THOSE AS WELL.

>> AND THEN THE ADULT USAGE, ARE YOU FINE?

>> I'M FINE WITH THE ADULT USAGE AT 8020, WHICH AS I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE LEASES BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN.

>> BUT THEY OFFERED TO LIMIT IT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS FOR STUDENTS.

>> I'M SORRY. I WAS ASSUMING ALL THE CONCESSIONS.

[OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

>> CAN I ASK YOU, MR. MAYOR TO MODIFY THAT MOTION? HOW ABOUT THE USE OF THE DOCK FACILITIES FROM SUNRISE TO SUNDOWN WHICH WOULD ALLOW HIM TO HAVE CLASSROOM FACILITIES FOR ONE HOUR AFTERWARDS? [NOISE]

>> THAT'S A GOOD ONE. [LAUGHTER]

>> I THINK IT'S BEST TO BE CONSISTENT LAST SOLUTION.

>> MR. MAYOR ON BEHALF OF THE YACHT CLUB.

>> YOU'VE GOT TO COME CLOSER TO THAT SPEAKER.

>> I'M SORRY, ON BEHALF OF THE YACHT CLUB, I'M BEING TOLD THEY REALLY DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE PAST SUNSET.

AND SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE OF AN EXPLANATION. [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO, I DON'T. I'VE GOT PLENTY EXPLANATION. THANK YOU.

>> PARDON ME, MR. MAYOR?

>> THERE WERE TWO CHANGES TO THE LEASE THAT WE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

ONE WAS TO REMOVE THE REVERTER THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO FIND ANOTHER SAILING CENTER.

AND ALSO TO CLARIFY THAT

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THE SUBMERGED LAND LEASE WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL?

>> YES. [BACKGROUND] THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME STRAIGHT HERE.

SO BEING A SAILOR AND HAVING DONE THIS, IF WE SHUT IT DOWN AT SUNSET, THAT MEANS THE BOATS HAVE TO BE THE BACK TO THE DARK PROBABLY TWO HOURS BEFORE SUNSET FOR THEM TO STORE, CLEAN IT, DO ALL THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO.

>> IN SUMMERTIME, THAT WOULD BE WHAT? SUNSET'S 9:20, THAT'S 7:20, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE.

>> HOW ABOUT WINTER TIME?

>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY'RE DOING [OVERLAPPING]

>> THEY SAY THEY'RE SELLING WEB-SUIT, YEAH?

>> THEY'RE DOING CLASSES IN THE WINTERTIME.

[OVERLAPPING] SO WINTERTIME IS LIMITED THOUGH, MORE LIMITED.

>> COMMISSIONER VALDEZ, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR CURRENT WAY OF WORK, WHICH IS SEO CLEAN UP, DEBRIEF.

WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT MAYBE IN THIS SITUATION THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT END OF THE DAY, THE PROCESS THEY HAVE IN USE HAS BEEN IN USE FOR TEN YEARS.

THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO SAILING CENTER, NOR HOW IT OPERATES IS ONLY A JUNCTION.

AS A FACT, THEY'RE MOVING 75 FEET.

>> YEAH.

>> YES BUT THEY'RE ALSO MOVING CLOSER TO OTHER RESIDENTS.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> THEY ARE IMPROVING A PRODUCT WHICH ONLY SAYS TO ME, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREATER DEMAND BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A BETTER PRODUCT.

>> ALTHOUGH THE DEMAND IS LIMITED BY THE NUMBER OF BOATS THEY HAVE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> SO WITH 50 BOATS, THAT'S 50 MOMS AND DADS.

THAT'S 50 CARS. TYPICALLY, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S VARIANCE.

SO WE CAN VOTE ON IT, BUT I'M PREPARED TO LEAVE IT AT SUNRISE TO SUNSET.

AND WE VOTED UP OR DOWN.

>> IS THAT YOUR MOTION? YOU'VE MADE THEM MOTION.

>> YES, SO LET ME BACKUP.

MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE LEASE WITH THE CONCESSIONS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE YACHT CLUB WITH THE CHANGES, MR. BERTRAM POINTED OUT THE TWO CHANGES THERE, AND THE ADULT STUDENT RATIO AT 80:20.

AND NOW THE CHANGE IN THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THAT'S MY MOTION.

>> THAT'S RISE TO SUNSET, CORRECT? SUNRISE TO SUNSET?

>> I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> YES. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A EXPLICIT PROHIBITION OF ALCOHOL IN THE LEASE.

>> HONESTLY, I'M REALLY TROUBLED BY THIS FIGHTING OVER ALLOWING THE KIDS ONE EXTRA HOUR TO UTILIZE A CLASSROOM FACILITY INSIDE OF A BUILDING 75 FEET AWAY FROM WHERE THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT ALL ALONG EXCEPT IN HARM'S WAY.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.

I JUST I'M SORRY, TRACY.

>> NO, THAT'S FINE. AND I DID MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. NO, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

>> MR. MAYOR.

>> I'M SORRY BUT ON BEHALF OF THE YACHT CLUB, I'M BEING TOLD THAT THEY ACTUALLY DURING THE WINTER MONTHS FOR AFTER-SCHOOL SAILING, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO BEYOND SUNSET BECAUSE THEY CAN'T OPERATE AN AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM AND GET OFF THE WATER IN TIME FOR SUNSET.

>> OKAY. SO WHAT TIME, [OVERLAPPING].

>> JUST A MINUTE THE [INAUDIBLE] TO COME UP.

[BACKGROUND]

>> SO IN THE WINTER, THAT'D BE 7.00 PM.

[BACKGROUND]

>> I WOULD LOVE TO CONNECT IT TO SUNRISE OR SUNSET.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CHANGING DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

A SPECIFIC HOUR IS ACTUALLY HARDER FOR US, ONE HOUR AFTER SUNSET WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO US.

>> BUT ONE HOUR AFTER SUNSET IN THE SUMMER PUTS US AT 9:30.

>> IN THE WINTER WHATEVER TIME THAT IS, 6:30. WHATEVER TIME IS.

>> I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M OKAY WITH THE WINTER [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE ONE HOUR AFTER THE SUN SETS 7:00 O'CLOCK AND THAT'S NOT SUMMER.

>> HOW DO WE WANT TO DEFINE WINTER VERSUS SUMMER?

>> WHAT IF THEY GIVE UP AN HOUR IN THE MORNING? [LAUGHTER]

>> WHAT IF WE DEFINE WINTER OR SOMETHING LIKE OCTOBER THROUGH MARCH OR SOMETHING?

>> THAT SOUNDS GREAT. OCTOBER THROUGH MARCH THE ENDING TIME WOULD BE ONE HOUR AFTER SUNSET, OTHERWISE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR IT WOULD BE SUNSET.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> DID YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION?

>> WE'RE CLEAR WHAT MY MOTION IS.

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>> WE'RE CLEAR, OKAY.

>> MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THE LIST IS APPROVED.

[APPLAUSE] LET ME PAUSE AND JUST SAY THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY GENEROUS GIFT FROM DR. PARIS.

IT IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM AND I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT IT'S A WONDERFUL PROGRAM ON BEHALF OF THE YACHT CLUB AND I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH CITY STAFFS EFFORTS TO WORK WITH BOTH THE YACHT CLUB AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SPIRIT IN WHICH ALL OF YOU UNDERTOOK TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE FEEL FREE, WE'RE GOING TO CATCH OUR BREATH HERE A MINUTE AND FEEL FREE TO GO HOME IF YOU WANT TO [LAUGHTER]. THANK YOU.

>> OF COURSE, IT'S RAINING.

>> MR. CLARK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE BUMPED, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

[7.A.1. Richard Clark, Director of Economic Development for the Jacksonville Transportation Authority will give a presentation on commuter rail in St. Augustine. (D. Birchim, Assistant City Manager)]

WE'RE NOW ON THE ITEM RICHARD CLARK, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY WHO WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION ON COMMUTER RAIL IN ST. AUGUSTINE. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. I PROMISE TO BE BRIEF.

YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR AWHILE ALREADY.

I'VE TOLD MAX AT 10 MINUTES, BUT I THINK I CAN GET THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICKLY AND I'LL SLOW DOWN AT THE END WHEN IT'S VERY ST. AUGUSTINE-SPECIFIC.

THIS IS ALL WEB-BASED, I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU-ALL HAVE THE LINK.

IF YOU DON'T, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU AND YOU CAN DO A DEEP DIVE IF YOU'RE UP LATE AND CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT AND YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO.

BECAUSE IT'S WEB-BASED IT'S ALWAYS UPDATED, SO AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION YOU GET MORE INFORMATION.

THERE WE GO. RIGHT NOW WHERE JTA IS WE'RE IN WHAT WE CALL OUR OUR PLANNING AND FEASIBILITY STAGE OF COMMUTER RAIL.

WE KNOW THAT BASED ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT THE RIGHT PLACE TO START IS DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR INTO ST. AUGUSTINE, IT'S REALLY PURELY NUMBERS-DRIVEN AND ECONOMIC-DRIVEN.

CURRENTLY, THE REASON WHY WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE OF I-95.

I-95 IN THE BEST SEGMENT BETWEEN HERE AND JACKSONVILLE IT'S A D OR AN F. FOR THAT REASON, FDOT IS GOING TO PUT FROM WORLD GOLF VILLAGE TO DOWNTOWN ATLANTIC BOULEVARD; ESSENTIALLY JACKSONVILLE, UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEXT DECADE.

THEY STARTED THIS YEAR. I'VE TALKED TO THEM EARLIER THIS WEEK.

THAT IS COMING THIS YEAR.

IT'S A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, SO I GUESS IT COULD BE UPWARDS OF A BILLION DOLLARS WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE AND FINISHING IN 10 YEARS IT'S IN ABOUT TIME FRAME BUT THAT IS THEIR GOAL.

OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, OKAY, WHERE DID WE GO FOR THE FUTURE? FROM A TRANSIT PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE LOOK AT ISN'T JUST FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS, WE NEED TO THINK 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

LOOK AT WHERE POPULATIONS ARE GOING, LOOK AT WHERE THE EMPLOYERS ARE GOING, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, THIS IS THE LAST BIT OF RIGHT AWAY.

THERE IS NO MORE CAPACITY ON THAT ROADWAY.

WHERE DO YOU FIND CAPACITY? THE LOGICAL PLACE TO FIND CAPACITY IS THE RAILROAD.

CURRENTLY ALL FREIGHT, BUT FEC DOES HAVE 100 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO UP TO FOUR LANES OF TRACK.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR FOUR LANES OF TRUCK, BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT ABILITY.

WHY ST. JOHNS COUNTY? WHY NOW? THIS IS MY FAVORITE SLIDE OF THE WHOLE THING.

THIS WAS 2005 SOUTHERN DEVON, NORTHERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS IS TODAY, IT IS NOT THE SAME PLACE IT WAS.

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE AND THE GROWTH HAS NO SIGNS OF SLOWING DOWN. GOOD AND BAD.

IT MAKES YOUR JOB THAT MUCH TOUGHER, IT REALLY DOES AND THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE.

OUR GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF THESE ARTERIAL ROADS, GET THEM OFF OF THE HIGHWAYS ONTO TRANSIT.

THIS IS A GREAT REPRESENTATION OF THAT.

WE DO THAT FROM AN EMPLOYMENT BASIS.

FORTY THOUSAND PEOPLE COME FROM SOUTH TO NORTH, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER 15,000 THAT COME THE OTHER WAY DOWN HERE.

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THE EMPLOYERS ARE GROWING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COUNTY LINES AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THAT TREND.

YOU'LL SEE POPULATION GROWTH CONTINUES.

DUVAL COUNTY PROJECTED 41 PERCENT.

HERE'S THE REALLY SCARY FIGURE, ALMOST 100 PERCENT.

ALMOST DOUBLING BY 45 IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE'RE NOT JUST A TRAIN BASED, FREIGHT BASED, WE'RE NOT JUST BUSES AND CARS.

WE ARE REALLY AT THE EPICENTER OF A LOGISTICS HUB WITH A DEEPENING OF THE PORT IN DUVAL COUNTY WITH THE CONVERGENCE OF I-10 AND I-95 AND ALL THE FREIGHT RAIL THAT COMES THROUGH HERE.

THERE ARE MANY MORE REASONS TO FIND WAYS TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF OUR ROADS AND ONTO TRANSIT.

YOU DO WHAT ANYBODY WOULD DO WHEN WE'RE AT THIS POINT, WE LOOKED AT OUR PEER GROUP.

WE OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT BOTH SUNRAIL AND TRI-RIAL THAT ARE FLORIDA.

THE ONE THAT MOST RESEMBLES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE NORTHSTAR LINE IN MINNEAPOLIS.

IT WAS CONCEIVED DURING HEAVY CONSTRUCTION ON ROADWAYS.

IT'S ALREADY HEADED TO PHASE II, IT'S ALREADY INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

THEY ALL HAVE ALL OF THEIR SUCCESSES, WHAT ALL OF THESE HAVE IN COMMON AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF EVERYONE, YOU CAN CLICK THAT LINK THROUGH IS A VERY ROBUST WHAT ST. AUGUSTINE IS CALLING MOBILITY-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE CALL TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ALL THE SAME. IT'S BASED ON THE NODES WHERE THESE MULTIMODAL HUBS ARE: WHERE YOU HAVE TRAIN, WHERE YOU HAVE CARS, WHERE YOU HAVE SCOOTERS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND YOU WANT TO PUT THOSE SPOTS AS YOUR DENSER SPOTS BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL AREN'T GETTING IN THEIR CARS.

IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE, AND ENCOURAGES TRANSIT, AND ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO COME TO THOSE LOCATIONS.

I'M GOING TO SCROLL THROUGH ALL THOSE.

HERE ARE FOUR PROPOSED STATIONS.

AGAIN, NUMBER IS DRIVEN.

TO THE NORTH WOULD BE JRTC BASICALLY WHERE THE PRIME OSBORNE IS.

TODAY. AVENUES WALK AT SOUTH SIDE AND US 1 RACETRACK ROAD, BASICALLY THE HUB OF ROOFTOPS AND THEN HERE KING STREET AT THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS.

WE DO THIS. WE CAN USE ALL THESE NEW MODES FROM AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES TO GOOD OLD FASHION WALKING ACROSS A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE.

THIS IS A 3D RENDERING OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE TO THE NORTH.

THAT'S OUR NEW BUILDING AND THE RAIL ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PICTURE, SO IT GIVES YOU A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE TODAY.

THERE'S ABOUT 18 AND 1/2 ACRES THAT THEY COULD DEVELOP IN SHANE AND SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE TALKED ABOUT A MEDICAL FACILITY THERE.

DR. HALEY HAD A VISION OF HAVING UF HAVE A MEDICAL SCHOOL THERE AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO SEE THAT THROUGH TO FRUITION.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO CLICK ALL THESE THINGS, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO YOU COULD CLICK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE POINTS.

WHAT I LOOK AT TRANSIT AS IS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER, YOU CONTROL WHAT YOU CAN CONTROL.

THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE'S ECONOMIC DRIVER, YOU HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY AS DOES FLAGLER COLLEGE, AS DOES YOU'RE OTHER MAJOR EMPLOYERS.

THE SAME GOES FOR THE NORTHERN TERMINUS IN JACKSONVILLE.

THE TRANSIT-BASED ECONOMY THAT WE CAN CONTROL THAT DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE ENCOURAGEMENT AND THE VERY PATIENT MONEY THAT TRANSIT CAN BRING TO BEAR TWO PERCENT FOR UP TO 75 YEARS, IT MAKES EVERYTHING PENCIL AND MAKES EVERYTHING WORK AND IT HELPS DRIVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I'M GOING TO SCROLL THROUGH ALL THOSE.

BUT IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN CLICK IN AND SEE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING AND WHY WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND.

THIS IS AVENUES WALK.

IT WAS DESIGNED WITH RAIL IN MIND BACK IN THE DAY.

REALLY GOOD USE OF FEDERAL DOLLARS, THE FTA AND FRA LOVE THE FACT THAT WE DID THIS.

THESE ARE COPIES OF OUR AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF AN EMPLOYEE-EMPLOYER RETAIL STATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO SHOP, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO WORK. THIS IS RACETRACK, AND SO YOU SAW THAT SLIDE.

THAT SLIDE ESSENTIALLY ROLLS RIGHT OVER WHERE THIS IS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AT ONE POINT WAS NUMBER 3 IN COVID-RELATED MOVES.

NOCATEE WAS NUMBER 1 IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE TO.

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IT'S JUST AN UNBELIEVABLY DENSE POPULATION OF ROOFTOPS NOW.

THEN WE GET THE KING STREET STATION.

THIS IS AGAIN A FLY-THROUGH THAT OUR TEAM DID WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT SPANISH-STYLE, OPEN AREAS DENSITY, NOTHING ON HERE IS OVER.

I THINK THE TALLEST AT THE PEAK OF A ROOFTOP MIGHT BE 75, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE TALLEST STRUCTURE IS THE GARAGE.

IT'S ALL THE WAY BACK UP AGAINST THE RAILROAD, WHICH AGAIN, WHEN YOU DESIGN THESE, YOU WANT THAT DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT UP AGAINST THE MORE INDUSTRIAL SIDE AND THE GATEWAY, OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD BE MUCH LOWER.

IT ALSO TAPERS DOWN THE WAY WE DID IT.

DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE THAT JUST [INAUDIBLE].

YOU TAPER IT DOWN AS YOU GET DEEPER INTO KING STREET, WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF UP-AND-COMING RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS.

YOU WANT TO HELP PROMOTE THAT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO WALL THEM OFF OR DO ANY DAMAGE TO WHAT IS ALREADY A NICE, THRIVING COMMUNITY OVER THERE.

THEN AGAIN, WE DID THE SAME THING WHERE YOU SCROLL THROUGH ALL THOSE REASONS WHY I JUST LIKE TO SHOW THIS PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.

ONE OF THE MANY GOALS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD AS WE STUDY TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OR MOBILITY-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT UP AND DOWN ARE CORRIDOR.

US-1 IS NATURALLY THIS HORIZONTAL DAM, IT'S A BARRIER AND WE'VE GOT FIND A VERY SAFE WAY, CLEAN WAY TO GET PEOPLE OVER THAT WITHOUT GETTING THEM IN MIXED TRAFFIC.

THIS WAS JUST A VERSION OF WHAT THAT COULD BE.

I WILL GET IN REALLY QUICKLY.

THIS IS FAST. I'VE EVER DONE THIS, BY THE WAY.

AGAIN, NUMBERS 7, THESE ARE 5, 10, 15, 20 MILE, 20-MINUTE HEADWAYS TO GET TO A STATION.

WE DID IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE POPULATION IS.

ALL THE DIFFERENT MODES THAT WE USE, AND AT THE END HERE, I ALWAYS TRY TO SHOW EVERYBODY, THIS IS NOT NEW.

WE HAVE STUDIED IT FOR A FEW DECADES NOW.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MOMENTUM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE POPULATION BASE.

WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE FDOT TAKING THE LAST BIT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY, ALL OF WHICH NEED TO HAPPEN.

BUT NOW IS A TIME WHERE WE ARE TRULY DIGGING INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF IT.

WE DO NEED TO DO A LOT MORE PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT, AND ENVIRONMENTAL WORK TO SEE HOW IT WORKS.

WE'VE GOT A GREAT PARTNERS, AND FEC, WRITELINE, FDOT, CSX.

WE TALKED TO THEM. ALWAYS KEEP THEM UP-TO-DATE.

IT'S THEIR AIRWAY AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND REALLY RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING IS DRIVING TOWARDS A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EVERYTHING.

THIS WORKS IF THE COMMUNITY BELIEVES IN IT, AND MOST OF OUR OUTREACH, WHEN WE DO ANY DOD STUDY, THEY'RE ALL OVER SEVEN FIGURES, OR 1 MILLION, 1.2.

THIS ONE NOW IS I THINK 1.1.

MORE THAN HALF OF THAT MONEY GOES INTO PUBLIC OUTREACH.

IT'S ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC, GETTING THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, AND LISTENING TO THEM, AND FIGURING OUT WHAT WE WANT, JUST LIKE YOU DO ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S THE SPEED VERSION OF THAT.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS.

>> I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.

YOU MENTIONED THAT FDOT AND FEC ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU, WHAT IS THE NATURE, WHERE ARE THEY WITH US, FDOT?

>> EVERYBODY LIKES THE FACT THAT WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY AND GOING AFTER GRANTS FEC AND BRIGHTLINE ACTUALLY CAME TO US WITH THE IDEA OF PARTNERING TOGETHER ON ANOTHER ROUND OF FEDERAL FUNDING, SPECIFICALLY FOR PLANNING DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENTAL FOR THE CORRIDOR.

>> FEC IS ALREADY IN AND YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENTED?

>> I TALK TO THEM WEEKLY.

>> YOU'RE TALKING.

>> WELL, THERE'S NOBODY HAS ANYTHING IN WRITING.

THERE'S NO MOU BETWEEN ANYBODY.

>> IT'S OKAY, SO NON OF THIS IS IN COMMITMENT?

>> NO.

>> DOT, FDOT.

WHAT'S THEIR COMMITMENT LEVEL? ARE THEY GOING TO CONTRIBUTE DOLLARS?

>> I HOPE SO. THEY ARE RIGHT NOW FOCUSED ON THEIR ROAD PROJECT, AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE DOING.

OUR JOB AT THIS POINT IS TO HAVE ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND BRING THEM ALONG WITH THIS.

FRANKLY, NO PARTNERS WANTS TO GO ANY FURTHER THAN THE COMMUNITY WANTS THEM TO GO.

>> YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, YOU DESCRIBED A 600 MILLION?

>> OH, [LAUGHTER] WE DO NOT HAVE A BUDGET AMOUNT.

WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGETARY AND I CAN TELL YOU IT COULD GO NORTH OR SOUTH OF THAT.

IT'S NOT FAIR FOR ME TO EVEN PREDICT WHAT THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE.

>> WE DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE NUMBER IS?

>> IT SHOULDN'T BE AROUND 600 MILLION.

>> I WOULD HOPE.

>> I THINK THAT SOUND REALISTIC.

>> IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT UPON BRIDGES

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AND ENVIRONMENTAL AND A BRIDGE AND RAILROAD TERMS IS ANYTHING NOT AT GRADE.

EVEN ALL THE GRAVEL WE SEE AS YOU COME IN, THAT'S NOT OVER WATER.

ALL THAT STILL CONSIDERED A BRIDGE.

>> WHAT'S YOUR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COST? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHATSOEVER?

>> WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE STRUCTURE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO SAY THAT.

IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT WE NEED THE COMMUNITY AND THE LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO PURSUE AND THAT WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.

ALL OF US, INCLUDING JTA, ALL HAVE TO HAVE SKIN ON THE GAME.

>> I THINK THAT'S FOR YOU. THAT'S ALL.

>> THANKS.

>> COMMISSIONER BLONDER.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU RE-SENDING ME THE LINK.

>> ABSOLUTELY, 100 PERCENT.

>> THAT'S IMPRESSIVE PRESENTATION.

I WANT TO ASK THE $10 MILLION QUESTION, WHICH IS WHEN IS THE EARLIEST AND WHEN IS THE LATEST WE COULD EXPECT THIS TO ACTUALLY BE OPEN HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE?

>> OPEN? I WOULD TELL YOU REALISTICALLY FROM START TO FINISH AND REMIND YOU, WE HAVE STARTED THE PROCESS.

IT'S THE SAME TIME-FRAME AS FDOT.

IT'S A 10-YEAR UNDERTAKING.

THIS IS NOT QUICK.

THIS IS REALLY SERIOUS STUFF.

THIS IS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF INVESTMENT, STATE AND FEDERAL, AND LOCAL. IT'S REAL EFFORT.

>> HAS THE CLOCK STARTED?

>> THE CLOCK STARTED ON ME TRYING TO GO FORWARD.

ARGUABLY, I WOULD SAY WE'RE YEAR ONE, BUT YEAR ONE THROUGH THREE IS NOT JUST PARTNERSHIPS AND I CAN'T STRESS IT ENOUGH.

IT IS A TRUE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION.

YOU A PART OF AS WELL.

>> THEN I HAVE A FOLLOW-ON QUESTION IF THAT'S OKAY MR. MAYOR.

>> PLEASE.

>> IF YOU WERE A BETTING PERSON, WHAT'S YOUR PERCENTAGE ON THIS HAPPENING?

>> [LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW. I WOULDN'T VENTURE TO GAS. I REALLY WOULDN'T.

I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY OTHER COMMUNITIES DID IT AND WHEN THEY DID IT, AND HOW THEY DID IT, EVERY SINGLE THING THAT THEY HAD WE HAVE.

IF YOU LOOK AT PAST PERFORMANCE AND WHAT GOT THEM OVER THE HURDLE, EVERY SINGLE THING WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, EVERY SINGLE THING THEY HAD.

>> IS THAT MAXIMIZATION OF I-95?

>> HUNDRED PERCENT MAXIMIZATION.

>> THAT'S WORKING IN OUR FAVOR THOUGH?

>> ABSOLUTELY WORKING ON OUR FAVOR.

THERE IS NO MORE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER VALDEZ?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I'LL DO BETTER IF I TURN THE SPEAKER ON.

OUR COMMITMENT TO THIS ZONING CHANGE TO CREATE A ZONING CATEGORY FOR ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

NOT SPECIFICALLY THE BROUDY PROPERTY, BUT ANY PROPERTY WILL RECOMMIT THIS.

IF WE DON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD, IF WE DON'T TAKE THE STEPS TO COMMIT TO CREATING ZONING CATEGORIES OR WHATEVER IT TAKES TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR STANDING IN THE LONG TERM?

>> FOR RAIL?

>> YEAH.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT SENDS A POSITIVE MESSAGE EITHER.

IT'S YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IT'S A GREAT PICTURE FOR THE OTHERS TO SEE.

THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, THIS IS A CENTER POINT THAT HAS BEEN LONGTIME COMING.

WE HAVE THEM UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR.

THIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT EVERYTHING'S RIPE, EVERYTHING'S THERE, IT'S GOT THE PERFECT SETUP FOR THE FUTURE AND RAIL AND DENSITY AND IT'S ABOUT SMART GROWTH.

YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT IT JUST ANYWHERE.

IT NEEDS VERY SPECIFIC PARAMETERS AND VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA.

FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I THINK YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT THE RIGHT WAY.

>> THE TENDENCY IS GOING TO BE TO PUT IT OFF AS LONG AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME THING FOR US TO DO AND GUIS OF 10 YEARS OUT.

WELL, THEY WILL WAIT FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE DECIDE, BUT BY THE TIME THAT ROLLS AROUND, THE PROPERTY MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO THROW INTO THE MIX. BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> YES, SIR.

JTA IS NOT SEEKING ANY PARTNERS THAT ARE ALREADY OPERATING TRAINS.

>> ONE LAST QUESTION.

>> ALL THE EXPERTISE IS IN BRIGHTLINE.

>> WHY?

>> OUR PARTNERS IT'S IN SUNNYVALE TRY WE'VE TALKED TO ALL OF THEM.

WHAT WE'VE LITERALLY TRIED TO DO WAS ANYBODY WOULD DO.

WE LEARN FROM THE GOOD AND THE BAD.

HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T REPEAT THE BAD AND TAKE ALL OF

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THEIR LESSONS AND TRY TO PUSH FORWARD AS BEST WE CAN.

>> THE IDEA IS THAT JTA WILL BE PURCHASING TRAINS, HIRING CONDUCTORS AND DRIVERS AND ENGINEERS, LAYING RAIL, OPENING OPERATING STATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO GET STOOD UP.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO STAND UP A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PARTNER WITH BRIGHTLINE OR [OVERLAPPING]

>> THERE ARE 100 DIFFERENT WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT.

IT DEPENDS WHAT WORKS BEST TO UP HERE.

BRIGHTLINE DOES INDEED RUN PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

THEIR HEADQUARTERS ARE RIGHT HERE AND THEY'RE DISPATCHES CENTERS RIGHT HERE.

YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO RECREATE THE WHEEL IF IT WERE POSSIBLE.

IT'S THEIR RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE THAT NO OTHER REAL PERSON.

EVERY TIME I TALK TO SOMEBODY AND I TELL THEM THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES, IT'S MIND-BOGGLING TO THEM BECAUSE THAT IS EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM AND THAT'S ONE THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

>> FEC IS YOUR PARTNER THEN?

>> FEC HAS BEEN WITH US FROM THE BEGINNING.

AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T ASSIGNED ANYTHING BUT WE CAN'T EVEN STUDY IT WITHOUT FECS APPROVAL, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.

>> BUT YOU STILL INTEND TO STAND UP YOUR OWN WHOLE SYSTEM BECAUSE JTA DOESN'T OPERATE ONE NOW, YOU WOULD WANT TO CREATE ONE.

>> NO. I DON T KNOW THAT JTA WILL BE THERE FOR ALL I KNOW, IT WILL BE FIRST GOES COMMUTER RAIL ON ITS OWN.

>> YOU MEAN INDEPENDENT COMMUTER RAIL

>> AN INDEPENDENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S THE WAY WE GO EITHER, BUT I'M SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE BEST THING THAT WORKS FOR NORTH FLORIDA.

>> MR. CLARK, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING SHARING THE INFORMATION.

IT'S EXCITING, IT'S POSITIVE, AND IT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 7C1.

MS. RAVICH, HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT?

>> AM DOING WELL.

>> GOOD.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

>> GOOD EVENING.

>> VICE MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, AND STAFF PROPOSES TO APPLY BY JULY 21ST, 2022 TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY THE DEO FOR THE FLORIDA SMALL CITIES COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM FOR HOUSING REHABILITATION FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND HOMELESS COALITION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I FIRST PRESENTED THE CDBG GRANT OPPORTUNITY TO THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS HELD ON JUNE 13TH, 2022.

I WOULD NOW LIKE TO INVITE DEBBIE REDDING, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND HOMELESS COALITION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT HER PROPOSED PROJECT.

FOLLOWING MS. REDDING'S PROPOSAL, I REQUEST THAT THE FLOOR BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE PROJECT.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR UP CHARGE AND CITY COMMISSIONERS.

>> GOOD EVENING.

>> I AM DEBBIE REDDING, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HOMELESS COALITION HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THE HOMELESS COALITION IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT THAT PROVIDES LOW-INCOME HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES TO THE MOST VULNERABLE HOMELESS FAMILIES HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE CURRENTLY OWN 23 HOMES ON A FIVE ACRE CAMPUS.

WRITE-OFF THE WEST KING AND PALMER STREET AND WHAT WE CALL WEST AUGUSTINE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET INTO WEST AUGUSTINE.

WE HAVE 21 HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

TWO OF OUR HOUSES ARE SCATTERED SITE THAT ARE ACTUALLY LOCATED IN THE COUNTY.

INTERESTING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAILROADS AND RAILWAYS BECAUSE OUR LITTLE COTTAGE COMMUNITY BACK IN THE EARLY 1900S WAS A RAILROAD COMMUNITY.

IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO OUR CAMPUS, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU COME AND DRIVE THROUGH DOWN CHAPIN AND NESBIT AND SMITH'S STREET AND SEE THE BLOCK THAT WE OWN THERE.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, 1.6 ACRES, THAT GOES DOWN TO THE SAN SEBASTIAN, IT'S WHERE CHAPIN STREET ENDS.

THAT IS PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.

BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO AT SOME POINT AS WE'RE ADDRESSING THE NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE LOW-INCOME HOUSING, WE WOULD LOVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH CDBG.

THE HOMELESS COALITION WOULD LIKE TO USE THE CDBG FUNDS TO PRESERVE NINE OF OUR HOMES.

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CURRENTLY, 17 OF THE 23 HOMES ARE OVER A 100 YEARS OLD.

WHEN WE PURCHASE THOSE HOMES BACK IN THE EARLY 2000S, THEY WERE CONDEMNED PROPERTIES.

THEY WERE CRACK HOUSES.

THE HOMELESS COALITION CAME IN AND RENOVATED THOSE HOMES AT THAT TIME.

BUT SINCE THAT TIME, NOW WE'RE 20 YEARS LATER AND THOSE HOMES NEED A LOT OF RENOVATION.

I KNOW COMMISSIONER VALDEZ HAS BEEN TO OUR PROPERTY TO SEE THE STATE THAT THEY'RE IN.

OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE SAFE AND DECENT HOUSING TO OUR HOMELESS FAMILIES.

WE RIGHT NOW ARE FACING A GREAT DEAL OF WOOD ROT, TERMITE DAMAGE, ETC, ON THOSE OLD HOMES.

WE DON'T HAVE A STRAIGHT WALL IN ANY OF OUR HOMES.

BUT THEY'RE ADORABLE, QUAINT LITTLE COTTAGES THAT ARE WORTH PRESERVING.

I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO RECEIVE A GRANT FROM DELORES BARR WEAVER LEGACY FUND TO HELP US $200,000, TO HELP US WITH THE START OF OUR RENOVATIONS.

BUT THAT WAS FOR NINE HOMES, I STILL HAVE NINE MORE HOMES THAT NEED FULL RENOVATIONS, REPAIRS, AND MAINTENANCE.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ADDING CONCRETE PARKING PADS TO THE BACK OF THE HOMES BECAUSE IT'S ALL DIRT.

THAT WOULD ADD TO THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THAT PROPERTY, ALSO THE CLEANLINESS OF THAT PROPERTY.

AS WE'RE ALL AWARE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR LOW-INCOME HOUSING HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THAT NEEDS INCREASING DAILY OR DRIVEN BY INFLATION, THE EVER INCREASING RENTS THAT WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH, AND THE COST OF GAS AND TRANSPORTATION.

IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE PRESERVE THE HOMES THAT WE HAVE.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T PAY ATTENTION, THEN WE WILL END UP TEARING THOSE HOMES DOWN.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND HELPING US CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THESE OLD HOMES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS RESOLUTION 2022-24, DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, AND SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> YES SIR. THE SECOND HEARING IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT SATISFIES ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED WITHIN THE APPLICATION.

THEN STAFF IS REQUESTING THE COMMISSION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION 2022-24, AUTHORIZING APPLICATION SUBMISSION AND ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS WITH THE FILING OF THE APPLICATION, EXECUTION OF AWARD IS SELECTED.

>> YOU'VE CONFUSED ME. DOES THIS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING?

>> YES IT DOES.

>> THANK YOU. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, I MAY HAVE A CARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE ONE SPEAKER THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, MS. BJ COLETTI.

>> BJ COLETTI, WITH CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS, CHAIR I'M GLAD MS. WHITNEY BROUGHT THAT UP.

NOT IN WEST AUGUSTINE, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY THE COUNTY, $243,513 TO HOMELESS COALITION.

IN LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION, THIS IS TO RENOVATE AND REPAIR NINE HOUSES AND CREATE PARKING.

MY QUESTION IS, HOW WILL $31,763 TAX FOR ADMINISTRATION BE SPENT? IS THAT GOING TO BE ON EMPLOYEES OR HOW WILL THAT BE SPENT? HAVE THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT? JUST TO BRING UP FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO LISTEN THIS MEETING, I HOPE THEY DO.

THIS IS THE FOURTH NON-PROFIT INCLUDING ST. FRANCIS HOME AGAIN AND APA OMEGA, WHICH IS TO HELP THE HOMELESS AND THE CITY LIMITS OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

HOPEFULLY, THESE 501C3S WILL HELP THE HOMELESS CAMPING AT OYSTER CREEK PARK, RIGHT AROUND WHERE MR. VALDEZ WILL BE MOVING INTO LEWIS BOULEVARD SOON.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL GET THIS MONEY.

BUT I THINK AN EXPLANATION FOR WHAT

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THE ADMINISTRATION COST IS GOING TO BE SPENT ON WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON RESOLUTION 2022-24? IF YOU'LL JUST HOLD ONTO THE CARD RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU FOR COMPLETING IT.

>> OKAY, THANKS. NANCY PELOSIA HERE, 31 SPANISH.

I JUST LIKE TO SAY MY HUSBAND AND I HAD VOLUNTEERED AT THESE HOUSES WHEN WE FIRST MOVED BACK TO ST. AUGUSTINE.

BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES THAT ADDRESS FAMILIES THAT ARE HOMELESS, IS THAT RIGHT?

>> I WANT YOU TO GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU.

>> ISN'T THIS ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES THAT ADDRESSES FAMILIES WHO ARE HOMELESS?

>> THERE PROBABLY ARE SOME OTHERS, BUT YES, THAT IS A PRINCIPLE NICHE THAT THEY-

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I THINK IT'S VERY WORTHWHILE BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE A FAMILY WHO'S HOMELESS WITH CHILDREN.

I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S ADMINISTERED, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT'S CLOSELY WATCHED AND THE MONIES ARE WELL-SPENT.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON RESOLUTION 2022-24? SEEING NOBODY ELSE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. COMMISSIONERS.

>> THAT'S NINE HOUSES, IT WORKS OUT TO $27,000 A PIECE TO RENOVATE THEM AND PUT THEM BACK TO WORK FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS. THAT'S A GOOD DEAL.

>> VERY GOOD.

>> OKAY. I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> ABSOLUTELY, GO AHEAD.

>> YOU DO IT.

>> I MOVE WE PASS RESOLUTION 2022-24.

>> I'LL SECOND IT.

>> THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> YES. THANK YOU. THE RESOLUTION IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE ARE NOW ON A SERIES OF ORDINANCES PERTAINING TO THE CHANGE IN

[8.A.1. Ordinance 2022-19: Amend the future land use category from Residential Medium Density Mixed Use to Commercial Medium Intensity at 63 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

LAND USE CATEGORY AND ZONING FOR 63 AND 65 WEST AVENUE. WELCOME MS. SKINNER.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AS YOU STATED, THESE ORDINANCES, THERE ARE FOUR ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS TWO PROPERTIES.

THE ORDINANCE IS CHANGE IN THE LAND USE AND ZONING FOR 63 AND 65 WEST AVENUE.

THE FIRST TWO ORDINANCES FOR 63 WEST AVENUE WILL CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM RESIDENTIAL, MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED-USE, TO COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, AND RESUME THE PROPERTY FROM AN EXPIRED PUD TO CM2.

THE SECOND TWO ORDINANCES DO THE SAME FOR 65 WEST AVENUE.

I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THESE PROPERTIES DO NOT MEET THE CONDITIONS TO ALLOW EITHER ADULT ENTERTAINMENT USES OR THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA USES.

THOSE USES HAVE TO BE DIRECTLY ON US1.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR.

THESE ARE ON WEST AVENUE, WHICH IS ONE BLOCK OFF OF US1.

THESE ARE SECOND READINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR ALL FOUR ORDINANCES 2022, '19, '20, '21 AND '22.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES. MS. LOPEZ.

>> JUST A REMINDER THAT FOR THE TWO REZONINGS, THOSE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEMS, SO WE WILL NEED EXPARTE DISCLOSURES AND FOLKS WILL HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.

>> OKAY. LET'S DO X BAR TYPE.

FIRST OF ALL, I'VE HAD NO COMMUNICATION WITH ANYBODY CONCERNING THESE ITEMS.

>> SAME HERE.

>> EITHER HAVE I.

>> THANK YOU. MS. LOPEZ, CAN I HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALL FOUR?

>> THEY ARE DIFFERENT, SO NO, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE.

>> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO DO ONE HEARING.

BUT I WILL DO AS YOU RECOMMEND.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE 2022-19.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYBODY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION?

>> GOOD EVENING.

>> WELCOME.

>> GOOD EVENING. COURTNEY GAEVER WITH ROGERS TOWERS 100 WESTON PLACE HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, WILD BILL'S INVESTMENTS.

I DON'T BELIEVE I NEED TO BE SWORN IN AS A REPRESENTATIVE.

[02:40:02]

JUST VERY BRIEFLY, THIS IS A PRODUCT OF THE COMMISSION'S LETTER THAT YOU DIRECTED STAFF TO SONATA IN DECEMBER.

THESE ARE TWO OF THOSE PROPERTIES FROM THE EXPIRED RIVER'S HPUD, SO IT'S REALLY A CLEANUP ITEM.

ESSENTIALLY, AS MS. SKINNER SAID, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO TAKE THE PROPERTY BACK TO THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS AS THEY EXISTED IN 2006.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OTHERWISE, I'D APPRECIATE YOUR APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ORDINANCE 2022-19? SEEING NO ONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022-19.

MOVE TO SECOND READING, READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED.

>> WE'RE ON SECOND READING, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO PASS IT FOR ALL ETERNITY.

>> THANK YOU. BUT WE'RE GOING TO READ IT BY TITLE ONLY, MS. LOPEZ.

>> YES WE ARE. [LAUGHTER] I FOUND IT GOOD.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-19, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING FUTURE LAND USE MAP FLUM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.14 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 63 WEST AVENUE IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED-USE, TO THE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION.

>> NANCY SIKES-KLINE.

>> THANK YOU JUST FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THAT THE VICE MAYOR MADE THE MOTION AND I SECONDED.

ORDINANCE 2022-19 PASSES.

WE ARE NOW ON ORDINANCE 2022-20,

[8.A.2. Ordinance 2022-20: Amends the zoning from Planned Unit Development (PUD) to Commercial Medium-Two (CM-2) at 63 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

DOES ANYBODY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ORDINANCE? SEEING NO ONE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> THERE, I MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022-20 ON SECOND READING, [OVERLAPPING] READ BY TITLE ONLY, AND PASSED.

>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-20, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 0.14 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 63 WEST AVENUE, PARCEL ID NUMBER 1194800000, IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM-TWO; CM-2, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU MS. LOPEZ, FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU. ORDINANCE 2022-20 PASSES.

WE'RE NOW ON ORDINANCE 2022-21.

[8.A.3. Ordinance 2022-21: Amend the future land use category from Residential Medium Density Mixed Use to Commercial Medium Intensity at 65 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYBODY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ORDINANCE? SEEING NO ONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

COMMISSIONER, VICE MAYOR SIKES-KLINE.

>> ORDINANCE 2022-21, ON SECOND READING, READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED.

>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-21.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.29 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 65 WEST AVENUE IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER, FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED-USE, TO A DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU. ORDINANCE 2022-21 PASSES.

WE'RE NOW ON ORDINANCE 2022-22,

[8.A.4. Ordinance 2022-22: Amends the zoning from Planned Unit Development (PUD) to Commercial Medium-Two (CM-2) at 65 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I HAVE NOW OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ORDINANCE? SEEING NO ONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> I MOVE ORDINANCE 2022-22.

MOVE ON SECOND READING READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED.

>> I WOULD SECOND.

>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-22, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 0.29 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 65 WEST AVENUE,

[02:45:06]

PARCEL ID NUMBER 1195100000, IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD THROUGH THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM-TWO; CM-2, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU MS. LOPEZ.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU. ORDINANCE 2022-22 IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU, MS. KENNER FOR YOUR HELP WITH THAT.

WE ARE NOW ON ORDINANCES WHILE THESE ARE FIRST READING AFTER

[8.B.1. Ordinance 2022-14: Public Hearing: Creates a Mobility Oriented Development (MOD) future land use category to be inserted into the Comprehensive Plan. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

MS. KENNER INTRODUCES THEM AND WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THEM AT OUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.

I'M GOING TO GO TO, WE'VE BASICALLY BIFURCATED THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION, SO WE'VE PULLED OUT THE CARDS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WISH TO SPEAK TO THESE MATTERS CONCERNING THE BROUDY AND THE MODEL ORDINANCE? MS.KENNER.

>> YES. GOOD EVENING.

PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS 2022-14 AND 15, CREATE A NEW LAND USE CATEGORY TO BE INSERTED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND A NEW COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT TO BE INSERTED INTO THE ZONING CODE AS A NEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

THESE ORDINANCES WOULD CREATE CATEGORIES RELATED TO MOBILITY-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROPOSED MOD OR MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT LAND USE INTENDS TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT CONTAINING OR CONTIGUOUS TO A MOBILITY STATION.

MOBILITY STATION CAN INCLUDE PUBLIC TRANSIT STATION, A COMMUTER RAIL, OR A PUBLICLY UTILIZED PARKING GARAGE.

A MOBILITY STATION MUST BE LOCATED WITHIN OR CONTIGUOUS TO ONE OF THE TWO RAIL STATIONS IDENTIFIED IN THE MOBILITY PLAN, AND ALONG US-1.

THE MOD LAND-USE PROMOTES A MIXTURE OF LAND USES, ALLOWS 50 UNITS PER ACRE AND 60 FEET OF HEIGHT.

SEVENTY FIVE FEET, IF ZONED MOD AND IN AN ENTRY CORRIDOR WITH DESIGN STANDARDS.

A PROJECT MUST INCLUDE A MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT AND AT LEAST ONE OTHER USE IN THE MOBILITY STATION.

IF THE LOCATION IS NOT IN AN ENTRY CORRIDOR WITH DESIGN STANDARDS, THE HEIGHT IS LIMITED TO 60 FEET UNLESS IT IS REZONED TO A PUD.

AN MOD PUD MUST ALSO INCLUDE THE MOBILITY PIECES AND DESIGN STANDARDS AS PART OF THE PUD APPROVAL.

THIS IS THE FIRST READING IN THE TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2022-14.

IF THE CITY COMMISSION CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, IT WILL BE TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE FOR REVIEW.

ORDINANCE 2022-15 CREATES A COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT TO THE MOD LAND-USE.

IT IS INTENDED TO REDUCE AUTOMOBILE USE THROUGH TRANSIT SERVICES, ALTERNATIVE MOBILITY SOLUTIONS AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ACTIVE MODES SUCH AS WALKING AND BIKING.

IT IS CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL CATEGORY THAT ALLOWS A LIST OF PERMITTED USES AND REQUIRES MULTIFAMILY AS A PART OF THE PROJECT ON-SITE, 60 FEET, MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR PROPERTIES NOT IN A DESIGN STANDARD, AS I STATED, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE, 75 FEET IF IT'S IN A ENTRY CORRIDOR OR A PUD.

IT REQUIRES A MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THE MOBILITY STATION OPTIONS AND FIVE MOBILITY OR TRANSIT FEATURES REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF SIX MOBILITY FEATURES OUT OF 10 CHOICES.

PCB RECOMMENDING THE CREATION OF THE ZONING DISTRICT AT THEIR JUNE 7TH MEETING.

THIS IS ALSO A FIRST READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2022-15, BECAUSE IT IMPACTS THE POTENTIAL USES ON A POTENTIAL PROPERTY.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS POINT UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

WHAT WAS THE VOTE AT PCB WAS IT UNANIMOUS TO ADOPT THIS OR NOT?

>> THERE WAS ONE MEMBER THAT DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN [NOISE] THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT, AND MY FIRST SPEAKER IS MELINDA RECONSAY.

[02:50:07]

>> THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW HOW THE APPLICANT CAN APPLY FOR ZONING IN COMP PLAN CHANGE TONIGHT FOR SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN LEGALLY CREATED YET, SO I'M CURIOUS.

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE THE CARTS BEFORE THE HORSE.

ANYWAY, [NOISE] I DON'T KNOW WHY A PROJECT THAT'S SO CRITICAL TO OUR FUTURE IS BEING RUSHED THROUGH.

THE PUBLIC NEEDS MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS AND LONG-TERM RAMIFICATIONS.

THERE ARE TOO MANY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT COULD CREATE, IF NOT DONE [NOISE] CORRECTLY.

THE HOUSING WILL NOT BE AFFORDABLE AND CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE WORKFORCE.

IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, MODS HAVE PROVEN NOT TO HELP THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY ARE SELF-SUFFICIENT, LITTLE ENCLAVES.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO HELP ON WEST KING ARE THE REALTORS AND LANDLORDS, AS THE PROPERTY VALUES SOAR, RENTS WILL SKYROCKET, AND A LOT OF THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES WILL BE FORCED TO LEAVE.

BUT IF DONE CORRECTLY, THE BROUDY PROJECT COULD BE A REAL ASSET, AND THAT'S HOW I'D LIKE TO SEE IT DONE CORRECTLY.

A PUD WOULD REGULATE THE HEIGHT, THE DENSITY, THE ARCHITECTURE STREETSCAPE, ENTRANCES AND EXITS, TRAFFIC PATTERNS, THE PROPER MIX OF RETAIL AND RESIDENCES, AS WELL AS ENSURE THAT THE CITY GETS THEIR PARKING GARAGE AND JTA GETS THEIR COMMUTER RAIL STATION THAT WE ALL WANT.

BUT WHAT OUR PUD UNDER THE CURRENT MOD, BROUDY OR ANY DEVELOPER COULD CRAM ALMOST ANY USE ON TO THAT FIVE ACRES AT 80 PERCENT LOT COVERAGE, 50 UNITS AN ACRE, A 75 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT THAT'S GOING TO GROW TO 85 FEET WITH THE FLOODPLAIN ALLOWANCE, AND POSSIBLY 95 FEET ALLOWANCE, ONCE YOU ADD EQUIPMENT, ELEVATOR SHAFTS AND DECORATIVE TOWERS.

UNCHECKED BY A PUD, THIS COULD TURN INTO A VISUAL AND TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE.

THE ENTRY CORRIDOR DESIGN STANDARDS WILL DO LITTLE [NOISE] TO CONTROL THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS PROJECT THAT WILL STILL SIT AT THE CITY'S GATEWAY.

I MUST CAUTION EVERYONE TO SLOW DOWN AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT BOTH THESE ORDINANCES.

[NOISE] THEY WERE MOSTLY WRITTEN BY BROUDY'S ATTORNEY AND SHE HAS GRAFTED A DREAM ORDINANCE FOR ANY DEVELOPER.

BE CAREFUL, THESE ORDINANCES ARE FULL OF LOOPHOLES, ALL FAVORABLE TO THE DEVELOPER.

ONE LOOPHOLE IS SO BIG THAT BOTH THE CITY AND JTA WILL NOT GET THEIR GARAGE AND RAIL STATION.

YOU CAN EASILY PUT ALL YOUR MOBILITY NEEDS INTO A PUD, AND BROUDY CAN GET WHAT HE WANTS.

REMEMBER, YOU-ALL ARE ELECTED TO LOOK AFTER THE BEST INTEREST OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND NOT THE INTEREST OF THE DEVELOPER.

PLEASE [NOISE] CONSIDER A PUD.

>> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS GREG ADAMS.

>> GREG ADAMS, 362 SAINT JOHN'S GOLF.

I HAVE KNOWN BARRY FOR A LONG TIME.

I LIVE OFF OF 210, DO A LOT OF BUSINESS HERE. I'M IN THE EVENTS BUSINESS.

BUT EVERY SINGLE TIME I COME DOWN HERE, PARKING IS AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.

IT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST CITIES ON EARTH.

IT'S ONE OF THE COOLEST PLACES YOU'LL EVER GO.

I JUST THINK THAT YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THERE'S VERY FEW INSTANCES WHERE A LOCAL LIFELONG RESIDENT WILL PUT HIS OWN MONEY UP AND WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S TRANSFORMATIONAL.

I URGE YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT THIS.

IT'S A BIG DEAL.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ALL THE RENDERINGS.

I'M SURE THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH AND THERE'S DOLLARS AND CENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS AND YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE THEM.

AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, [NOISE] YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY.

IF IN FACT, THE HEIGHT LIMIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS 60 FEET AND IT WON'T WORK FOR BARRY, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR ANYBODY.

YOU GET ONE OF THESE OTHER BIG BOYS THAT COME IN FROM WHEREVER, FROM NEW YORK CITY, AND THEY'LL JUST STEAMROLL RIGHT THROUGH AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AT HEART.

I URGE YOU GUYS TO TAKE A STRONG SERIOUS LOOK AT THIS AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU GUYS MAKE A DECISION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TYRONE BENNETT.

[02:55:01]

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT BROUDY'S AND THE DEVELOPMENT ON OUR PROJECT.

EVER SINCE I MET HIM, HE HAS BEEN VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE WEST KING NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'VE WORKED WITH BARRY ON SOME PROJECTS FOR THE WEST KING NEIGHBORHOOD, ALONG WITH MARK BAILEY AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE.

THIS IS GOOD, NOT JUST FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE, IT'S GOOD FOR THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN SUFFERING BACK THERE IN THAT SECTION.

I'M JUST GOING TO CLEAR RIGHT OUT, THAT AREA OF ST. AUGUSTINE DOES NOT GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS IT SHOULD.

THIS RIGHT HERE WILL SHINE THE LIGHT TO WORK TO CONNECT DOWNTOWN TO THE WEST AUGUSTINE AREA, POSSIBLY WORK WITH THE DOT TO GET THAT HIGHWAY 95 EXIT RAMP COME RIGHT THROUGH THERE TO BRING SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT EVERYBODY ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT, ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS, ALL THOSE SMALL CAFES, ALL THE TACO TRUCKS, ALL THE BREWERY, ALL THOSE PLACES DOWN THERE, THEY WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT OPENING, FROM THAT.

THEY WOULDN'T HURT IT. IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SUPERVISION INTO ORDINANCE THAT OR IN THE PLAN THAT PROTECTS THOSE BUSINESSES ON THAT STREET SO THEY DON'T GET DRIVEN OUT, THAT'S FINE.

I'M SURE THAT BARRY AND HIS TEAM ARE WORKING WITH THAT BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT EVER SINCE I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT, EVER SINCE I MET HIM.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT [NOISE] WE'RE PROVING THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

IF YOU GO DOWN, WEST KING DOES NOT JUST STOP AT PALENCIA.

THAT'S NOT WEST KING.

WEST KING RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 214, ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT WAY.

THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT HOMES IN WEST KING, NEED TO SEE SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COME THAT WAY AND THIS IS WHAT THE BARRY PROJECT DOES.

IT BRINGS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, PREDOMINANTLY IN THAT AREA THAT HAS BEEN SUFFERING AND NOT GETTING ANY ECONOMIC GROWTH.

SO THIS WILL TIE THE WEST KING VERSUS DOWNTOWN TOGETHER AND BECOME UNIFIED, ALL OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

I THINK THE HURDLES OF THE 60 FEET, AND THIS, AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, EVERYTHING CAN BE WORKED TOGETHER IN COMMON SENSE DONE BECAUSE IT IS GROWING.

SAINT AUGUSTINE IS GROWING, IT'S GETTING LARGER.

THERE HAS BEEN DEVELOPMENT, WORKING WITH THE CITY, WORKING WITH WEST KING, DEVELOPMENT AND DOING SOME OF THE GOOD STUFF OVER THERE.

SO I COMMEND YOU-ALL FOR DOING THAT AND I KNOW THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PROJECT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SHERIFF DAVID SHOAR.

>> GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR-

>> WELCOME, SEAN.

>> [OVERLAPPING] DAVIS SHORES, 71 BOULEVARD.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE STILL HAVE TO SAY THAT BUT, I GOT TO TELL YOU IT IS REFRESHING TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

[LAUGHTER] WHAT'S EVEN MORE REFRESHING IS I GET TO TALK TO A LEGISLATIVE BODY WITHOUT ASKING FOR MONEY.

[LAUGHTER] THAT'S A GOOD THING.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS THAT I'M HERE TONIGHT FOR ONE REASON.

FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THIS.

ALL FIVE OF YOU DESERVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CREDIT.

BEING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TODAY IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING TEST ANYBODY COULD ENGAGE IN.

ALL HAVE YOU BEEN FACED WITH TOUGH DECISIONS, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, AND MY PURPOSE HERE TONIGHT IS THE SAME PURPOSE FOR YOU HERE, AND REALLY THE SAME PURPOSE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM HAS AND THAT IS, WE LOVE WHAT I LIKE TO CALL OUR LITTLE GYM BY THE SEA, OUR NATION'S OLDEST CITY.

WE ALL WANT TO PRESERVE IT, WE ALL WANT TO PERPETUATE IT, ESPECIALLY THE GOOD STUFF.

AS I GOT, THINKING ABOUT THIS MORE AND MORE, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF QUICK BACKGROUND.

FOR THE FIRST, I STARTED WORK IN A CITY AS A PATROLMAN IN 1981, AND I WORKED THE STREETS AS A PATROL OFFICER TO PATROL SERGEANT UP FOR THE NEXT 17 YEARS.

I'VE SEEN TRANSFORMATION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IN PLACES LIKE LINCOLNVILLE, IN PLACES LIKE OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, AND EVEN AROUND KING STREET IN [INAUDIBLE] IT'S AMAZING.

THE SHRIMP PAVAN BAR IS GONE.

A LOT OF THESE OTHER THINGS ARE GONE, AND SO MANY EXCITING BUSINESSES HAVE COME INTO PLAY.

BUT I AM CONVINCED THAT ALL OF OUR DESTINATIONS ARE THE SAME,

[03:00:05]

THE PERPETUATION AND THE PRESERVATION OF OUR CITY.

SOMETIMES I THINK OUR ROADMAPS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT GETTING TO THAT DESTINATION.

MY CONCERN IS, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN FORMER MAYOR KENNY BEESON LED THE CHARGE TO CLOSE ST. GEORGE STREET FROM CATHEDRAL TO HIPPOLYTA.

THEY WANTED TO RUN THEM OUT OF TOWN.

HISTORICALLY, WHEN MR. FLAGLER SHOWED UP AND CREATED THESE TOWERS IN THE SKY DOWNTOWN, MANY LOCALS WANTED TO RUN HIM OUT OF TOWN.

THE REASON I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS.

NUMBER 1, I CAN SAY THIS NOW BECAUSE I'M A PRIVATE CITIZEN, KING STREET US IS ONE OF THE UGLIEST INTERSECTION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AT LEAST AT THE TOP THREE.

NOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

ONE IS BECAUSE OF YOU FOLKS.

WHEN WE GOT RID OF THAT CAR WASH AND WE MADE A BEAUTIFUL PARK.

AROUND THERE WE GOT THE THEOS AND ALL OF THIS COMING UP ON WEST KING STREET AND EVERYTHING.

WE GOT RID OF THE HARDY'S THERE.

NOW WE'VE GOT THIS PROJECT AND I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

ONE THING IS CLEAR, DEVELOPERS GET A BAD RAP IN MY OPINION, ESPECIALLY THE TWO BIGGEST ONES WHO LIVE IN OUR COUNTY, IT'S KIDS GO TO SCHOOL.

THAT WAS A QUICK THREE MINUTES, MAYOR.

>> YOU'RE DONE.

>> I'M DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF VARIOUS PROJECTS. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ANDREW MORGAN.

>> GOOD EVENING. ANDREW MORGAN, 1030 NORTH PONCE DE LEON.

I'M AN EQUITY PARTNER IN CANADIAN LAW, SO I HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY.

I SERVED ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD FOR SEVERAL TERMS. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I THINK THERE'S THREE COMPONENTS TO IT: THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON DOWNTOWN, THE IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE ON THE ABILITY TO CREATE A COMPUTER SYSTEM OR RAIL TO DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE, AND THEN WHAT IT WILL DO FOR THE WEST SIDE.

I THINK I WANT TO START WITH THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT 30 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU CAN LOOK BACK AND YOU CAN GO, "THAT WAS THE STAKE IN THE GROUND THAT GREW IT." MY WIFE IS FROM CHARLESTON, SO I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE WAY THAT CITY HAS GROWN OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

IF YOU GO THERE NOW IT'S UNRECOGNIZABLE IN SOME WAYS SINCE I FIRST STARTED GOING THERE.

THAT IS THE OUTER EDGES OF THAT CITY HAVE GROWN UP AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE USED THE OUTER EDGES TO GROW.

WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THERE IS NOW TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'RE IN AN AREA IN CHARLESTON WHERE IT USED TO BE VERY SEEDY.

THE CLUBS THAT WE DON'T WANT IN THIS TOWN ARE NOW ALL NICE BUILDINGS, NICE RESTAURANTS.

THIS IS THAT TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE.

I DON'T THINK THE HEIGHT SHOULD SCARE THIS COMMISSION AWAY FROM APPROVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE WEST SIDE.

IT ALSO, I THINK, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN.

BY THE TIME SOMEBODY WHO IS DRIVING DOWN THE BAY FRONT LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT, IT'S TOO LATE.

WE'VE LOST AN OPPORTUNITY.

OUR OPPORTUNITY IS TO PUT PARKING GARAGES IN KEY STRATEGIC LOCATIONS AND THIS IS THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THERE AREN'T A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEN IT'S CARPE DIEM, WHEN THAT OPPORTUNITY COMES UP, WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO SEIZE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

IN ADDITION, THERE IS GOING TO BE APARTMENT COMMUNITIES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE IN A REASONABLE FASHION OF DOWNTOWN, AND THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT TO THIS.

I THINK YOU CANNOT BE OVERLOOKED.

THEN FINALLY, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY.

I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST CAME TO JACKSONVILLE WHEN WE WERE AT THE LAW SCHOOL AND I SAW A LITTLE TRAM THAT WENT OVER THE BRIDGE AND I CALLED MY FRIEND, I SAID, "THEY HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION." ALTHOUGH I LEARNED THAT SCRAM RUNS FROM ONE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE TO THE OTHER.

WELL, THIS IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT DYNAMIC.

SAME WAY ATLANTA NEEDED TO WITH MARTA, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HERE IN JACKSONVILLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I FULLY SUPPORT.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER'S BRIAN BOSLEY. HOW ARE YOU, SIR?

>> MAYOR, GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS.

>> NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> MY NAME IS BRIAN BOSLEY.

I AM ALMOST 20-YEAR RESIDENT IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I LIVE OVER ON [INAUDIBLE] AVENUE, 57 DEBUT.

I AM EXCITED TO BE HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I AM REALLY JAZZED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS IN OUR LITTLE BUSINESS.

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WE GREW OUT OF A SHACK INTO A FAIRLY SIZABLE OPERATION OVER THERE NOW, AND I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR THE WEST SIDE.

I'VE SEEN IT COME FROM WHAT IT WAS WHEN YOU COULDN'T ORDER A PIZZA ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN NOW TO A THRIVING COMMUNITY OF BUSINESSES.

THIS IS FASCINATING TO ME FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

I LOOK DOWN IN THE KEYS FOR MANY YEARS BACK IN THE '90S AND I WATCHED IT.

IN JUST A PERIOD OF ABOUT FIVE YEARS, GO FROM A LARGELY MOM-AND-PAP-CENTRIC BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO WALGREENS AND DANNY'S AND A BUNCH OF OTHER JUST CORPORATE NAME BRANDS IN A LOT OF THE OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY FAMILIES.

I'VE KNOWN BARRY FOR A LONG TIME AND I'VE SEEN THIS PROPERTY THAT HE'S HAD FOR GENERATIONS AND I THINK HIS DAD OWNED THAT BEFORE HE DID, AND THEY HAD A GROCERY STORE THERE.

THIS PROPERTY IS SO CRITICAL TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, LOGISTICALLY, AESTHETICALLY, AND ON THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS.

HE HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THIS BUSINESS TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES TO COME IN AND WOULD PROBABLY PUT UP SOMETHING LIKE WHAT A LOT OF US FEAR.

THINGS THAT ARE NOT REALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, NOT REALLY PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

BUT HE'S HELD ON TO THIS PROPERTY.

HE'S ACTUALLY HAD A PLAN, HAD A DREAM, AND THIS PLAN THAT HE'S PUTTING TOGETHER, IT'S THE BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN ON THE WEST SIDE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

THIS IS REALLY I THINK GOING TO BE TRANSFORMATIONAL IN A HUGE WAY.

I'M JUST HERE TO THROW MY SUPPORT BEHIND BARRY.

BUT PERSONALLY, PROFESSIONALLY, I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ST. AUGUSTINE NEEDS.

THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.

BUT I'M ALL ABOUT IT, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO HELP BEING A STEWARD AND A BUSINESS OWNER ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT I CAN DO.

I'M HERE TO HELP AND SEE THIS HOPEFULLY COME TO GOOD SUCCESSFUL TRANSFORMATION FOR EVERYBODY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARIO CALEO.

FORGIVE ME. I'M SURE I BUTCHERED THAT BADLY.

>> SORRY, I'VE HEARD IT MY WHOLE LIFE, MARIO CACEDO, 2229 [INAUDIBLE] ROAD.

I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY.

THIS DEVELOPMENT REALLY IS GOING TO BE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS TODAY.

I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE CONCERNS WITH TRAFFIC, WITH PEDESTRIANS, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF WE PUT A PARKING STRUCTURE THERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN.

THE POINT IS WE NEED MORE PARKING.

WE NEED TO HAVE THAT COMMUNITY RAIL AND WE DO NEED TO HAVE THESE APARTMENTS AVAILABLE.

MY WIFE WAS JUST HIT ABOUT A MONTH AGO RIGHT ON THAT ROAD, RIGHT ON KING STREET COMING OUT OF BOB BREWERY.

IT'S BECOME A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.

WE NEED TO SEE THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW, I'M NATIVE FLORIDIAN, I GREW UP IN SOUTH FLORIDA IN A LITTLE TOWN, THERE USED TO BE A LITTLE TOWN CALLED WESTERN BACK IN THE '80S.

USED TO BE NOTHING BUT GATORS AND SNAKES.

IF YOU GO DOWN THERE TODAY, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.

I WENT DOWN THERE RECENTLY AND WAS AMAZED HOW MUCH IT'S CHANGED AND I'M SEEING THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY TODAY.

THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS THESE PROJECTS AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK BAILEY.

[LAUGHTER].

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M MARK BAILEY, 70 TO 72 A1A SOUTH.

A LOT THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT WAS ON MY MIND FROM GREG, FROM TYRONE, SHERIFF SHORE.

I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAIL OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT THAT WITH MY ATTENTION SPAN.

BUT I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANY PERSON OR FAMILY WHO IS BEST SUITED TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THE CITY.

BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH BARRY LOVES THE CITY.

MY FATHER WAS CLOSE FRIENDS WITH HIS FATHER, BARRY B. BROUDY AND HIS MOTHER.

I CAN REMEMBER GOING INTO THE GROCERY STORE AND SEE MR. BROUDY HANDING A CANTALOUPE TO A PATRON WHO COME IN, AND HE HAD PICKED OUT THAT CANTALOUPE HIMSELF AT 3:30 THAT MORNING AT PITTMAN PRODUCE.

HE LOVED THE COMMUNITY, THE FAMILY LOVES AND COMMUNITY, AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS TO THE COMMUNITY.

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IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT HAS SOME QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THEY'RE THE ONES TO DO THAT.

WELL, BECAUSE THEY DO LOVE IT SO MUCH THAT I KNOW THAT HE IN PARTICULAR, HAS A GREAT DEAL OF INTERESTS IN THE BETTERMENT OF WEST AUGUSTINE.

THAT POINT WITH THE FAMILY, AND THE FACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE A VERY POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE THE WELLNESS CENTER, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE YMCA.

I'M PLEASED TO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE ALMOST AT SIX MILLION DOLLARS OF FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT AND WE HOPE TO BREAK GROUND IN WITH THAT SOMETIME IN '23.

AS I LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY, AND TYRONE MENTIONED THIS, IF YOU HAVE THE WELLNESS CENTER JUST A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE THIS PROJECT, WE CERTAINLY NEED MORE HOUSING, AND HOW AFFORDABLE IT WILL BE, I'M NOT SURE.

BUT COMMISSIONER BLONDER AND MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] SHE KNOWS THE CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH OUR STUDENTS IN FLAGLER COLLEGE, ONCE THEY LEAVE CAMPUS, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING HOUSING FOR THEM, SO THERE CERTAINLY IS A BENEFIT OF THAT, THE PARKING.

I WANT TO CONGRATULATE EACH OF YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THE SEWER AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY UNDERSTANDS ENOUGH ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING $8-10 MILLION FOR THAT WORK WHICH WILL ALSO HAVE A GENERATIONAL IMPACT ON THAT COMMUNITY.

BUT THE CLINIC, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHEN YOU PULL ALL THOSE TOGETHER, IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.

IT WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK, A DIFFERENT FEEL, IT WILL PROSPER, IT WILL ALLOW A LOT OF THOSE RESONANCE TO REMAIN THERE AND THEIR FAMILIES TO REMAIN THERE FOR GENERATIONS, AND SO I DO SUPPORT BARRY AND HIS FAMILY.

I WANT TO TELL YOU, I DID TALK TO GREG WHITE AND DOUALA ROBERT, AND THEY ALSO WANTED ME TO TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BARRY B. BROUDY.

>>MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M BARRY BROUDY.

5128 FOLIAGE WAY. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, I FULLY SUPPORT THE BROUDY PROJECT.

[LAUGHTER] ACTUALLY, TODAY YOU'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AND VOTING ON THE LIANG USE AS WELL AS THE ZONING CATEGORY, AND WE WILL NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

I'M REALLY UP HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I APPRECIATE NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT THOSE THAT HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.

THIS FRIDAY, JULY 15TH, AT THE PROPERTY FROM 5:00 TO 7:00, I'M GOING TO HAVE A TENT SET UP WITH SNACKS AND BEVERAGES FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND TALK TO ME PERSONALLY ABOUT WHY I FEEL THIS PROJECT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR NOT ONLY ST. AUGUSTINE, BUT THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY.

THIS TRULY IS A PASSION.

THIS IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN, IT'S A DREAM, AND I WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN.

I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS WHAT IT IS.

I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ONE-ON-ONE.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LAUREN GARBER.

>> LAUREN GARBER. LINCOLNVILLE.

THE VISION PLAN WAS WRITTEN BY A STEERING COMMITTEE WHO ENGAGED WITH THE ST.

AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE TRENDS AND FORCES THAT WOULD SHAPE ITS FUTURE.

AT THAT TIME IN OUR HISTORY, NANCY SIKES-KLINE WAS A COMMISSIONER, ROXANNE HORVATH WAS VICE MAYOR, TRACY UPCHURCH WAS A STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBER, JOHN REAGAN WAS CITY MANAGER.

THE VISION PLAN NEEDS TO BE REMEMBERED BY BOTH CITY GOVERNMENT AND CITIZENS.

THE VISION PLAN WAS INTENDED TO PRODUCE FOUR STRATEGIC RESULTS: LIVABILITY, AUTHENTICITY, CHARACTER, VITALITY.

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I WANT TO READ ALOUD THE HIGHLIGHTS.

CHARACTER. THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE HAS PROTECTED ITS HISTORICAL PHYSICAL CHARACTER BY MAINTAINING ITS BUILT SCALE, ITS ARCHITECTURE, ITS INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF USES, AND ITS NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

IT IS THE INTENT OF THE VISION PLAN TO PROTECT, RETAIN OR ENHANCE THE FEATURES OF THE CITY, WHICH MAKE ST. AUGUSTINE A HISTORIC AND DISTINCTIVE COMMUNITY.

AUTHENTICITY.

THE INTENT OF THIS THEME IS THAT ST. AUGUSTINE REMAIN A WORK LIVE PLAY CITY THAT IS MULTI-GENERATIONAL AND CULTURALLY DIVERSE, AND THAT WILL MANAGE THE CHANGE WHILE PROTECTING ITS DISTINCTIVE FEATURES.

LIVABILITY.

THE INTENT OF THIS THEME IS THAT ST. AUGUSTINE BE A EVEN MORE DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE BY OFFERING A FULL RANGE OF EXPERIENCES THAT MAKE A CITY HIGHLY LIVABLE.

VITALITY.

TO ENHANCE THE LEVEL OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.

BUT IN SHORT, THE VISION PLAN ASKS THAT THE OTHER THREE STRATEGIES ARE UPHELD WHILE SEEKING ECONOMIC GROWTH.

BEFORE MY THREE MINUTES ARE UP, ALLOWING THE BROUDY PROJECT TO GO THROUGH WITH THE REQUESTED INTENSITY AND DENSITY GOES AGAINST THE INTENT OF THE VISION PLAN.

YES, THERE'S WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE WEST PART OF THE CITY.

A SAFER, CLEANER, WEST ST. AUGUSTINE'S STREET, WEST KING STREET WITH WIDER SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES, LIGHTING AND CROSSWALKS IS NEEDED.

JOBS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NEEDED TOO.

WE HAVE NO IDEA IF THE BROUDY PLAN IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANY OF THAT.

RIGHT NOW THE SETBACKS PROPOSED ARE NOT ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE WITH STROLLERS, WHEELCHAIRS, SKATEBOARDS OR BIKES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CHAD LIGHT.

MR. LIGHT'S STILL WITH US? OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LESS STERN.

I THINK MR. STERN HAS PERHAPS LEFT AS WELL.

BRUCE MAGUIRE.

>> THANK YOU, BRUCE MAGUIRE, 297 ST. GEORGE STREET.

I PRINTED OUT A LITTLE DOCUMENT THAT I WROTE, ONE FOR EACH PERSON.

SOMEONE READ THIS REAL QUICKLY.

FIRST OF ALL, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BCB WAS A UNANIMOUS, NO, IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS, IT WAS VOTE ONE VOTE.

IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE ONE PERSON WHO VOTED AGAINST IT WAS THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE BCB, THERE WAS NOT PERSONALLY TALKED TO BY THE JOHN REAGAN CITY MANAGER.

AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE BCB MEMBERS, THOSE FOR TALKING WITH JOHN REAGAN DECIDED TO SUPPORT HIM.

I'M GOING TO READ THIS TO MAKE IT QUICK.

BRIGHT LINE INTRA-CITY TRANSIT.

AT THE LAST MEETING, WE ALL WATCHED AS THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY WOOED ALL OF YOU WITH THE BEAUTY AND THE GREATNESS OF THE MOD ZONING, AND HOW WONDERFUL IT WILL BE FOR ST. AUGUSTINE FOR THE BROUDY PROPERTY TO BE REZONED.

I SUPPORT REZONING.

I SUPPORT A MOD DESIGNATION.

ALTHOUGH I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THIS, I WILL GLADLY GO TO THE FORUMS TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT IF IT HAS REDUCED IN DENSITY AND HEIGHT.

THE ISSUE HERE IS ZONING, IT'S NOT A TRAIN SET, AND FOR THAT REASON, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A TRAIN SET.

TO REALIZE THE BENEFITS OF A TRAIN SET, THE BROUDY PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO HAVE A MAXIMUM POPULATION DENSITY ACCORDING TO THE ATTORNEY.

OTHERWISE, THE TRAIN WOULD NOW MAKE A PROFIT.

THEREFORE, THE CITY IS REQUESTED TO APPROVE UPWARDS OF 275 APARTMENTS, ALL WITHIN 50 FEET AS A TERMINAL ITSELF.

THE ATTORNEY LAID OUT THE REQUIREMENTS SEVERAL TIMES.

THE PROPERTY NEEDED 50 UNITS PER ACRE FOR THE TRAIN.

AGAIN, FOR THE TRAIN, NOT FOR REZONING.

HERE'S THE REAL STORY.

THERE'S NO CHERRY-PICKING IN THIS, IT STATS RIGHT OFF THE WEBSITE AND COMPUTATIONS.

FIRST, FOR THE TRAIN TO BE FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL, IT NEEDS AROUND 4,500 PEOPLE WITHIN ONE MILE.

THAT IS THE AVERAGE OF THE THREE TRAIN SETS DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA, A HIGHEST BEING 12,000 PEOPLE WITHIN ONE MILE.

ST. AUGUSTINE CAN ONLY PROVIDE SLIGHTLY OVER 1,000.

SECOND, CHECKING THE BRIGHT-LINE WEBSITE.

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THERE IS NO MENTION OF A TRAIN SET BETWEEN JACKSONVILLE AND ST.

AUGUSTINE ANYWHERE OR ANYTIME.

A TRAIN SET IS 248 PEOPLE, EACH TRAIN SET, ONE TRAIN SET PER HOUR.

THAT MEANS ON 10 HOUR DAY, 10 TRAIN SETS, 2,480 PEOPLE COULD TRAVEL FROM ST. AUGUSTINE UP TO JACKSONVILLE.

THAT IS FAR FROM THE 40,0000 THAT WAS RECOMMENDED OR SAID BY THE JTA ROOM.

THIRD, FOR THE CONCEPT TO GO FORWARD, IT NEEDS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE STATE OR THE FED.

THE MONEY THEN GOES THROUGH NORTH FLORIDA PTPO, INTERESTS LINK THE POTENTIAL OF AN INNER CITY TRANSIT FROM JACKS TO ST. AUGUSTINE.

>> WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER 2035.

>> THANK YOU. WE'D HAVE TO HAND OUT. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS JIM SPRINGFIELD.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAGUIRE, I JUST MENTIONED THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE BCB MEMBERS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THAT COMES RIGHT INTO WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

I HAVE MET WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH MEETING AND GREETS AND I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS, PEOPLE SAYING JUST 75 FEET IS TOO HIGH.

THIS IS NOT ST. AUGUSTINE.

BUT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM A FEW AND TALK TO THEM AND SAY THIS IS THE WHOLE CONCEPT AND IT CHANGES THEIR OPINION ABOUT THIS.

I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A GREAT CHANCE THAT PEOPLE BE IN FAVOR OF THIS AS I HAVE GROWN TO BE BECAUSE I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT IT.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE 75 FEET AS EVERYBODY IS AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO SUPPORT 75 FEET IS THERE SOME WAY TO COMMIT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR A PERCENTAGE OF THAT APARTMENT BUILDING, AND I KNOW OUR ATTORNEY HAS SAID THAT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE BUT I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

ONE SOLUTION MAY BE TO ASK MR. BROUDY TO LEAD THE CITY LEASE THE ENTIRE FIVE ACRES AND NOT JUST TWO ACRES FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND THEN LEASE BACK THE THREE ACRES TO A CORPORATION WHICH HE MANAGES.

THEREFORE, WE COULD RESTRICT WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PROPERTY.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM LISTENING TO PEOPLE STAY AS BEING RUSHED THROUGH BY HAVING THE PERMIT.

ONE ADVANTAGE TO HAVING THE PERMANENT CHANGED IS MR. BROUDY WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO DO WHAT HE CAN'T DO TODAY.

I UNDERSTAND HE COULD HAVE A GAS STATION OR A HARDY'S, BY CHANGING THAT DESIGNATIONELY STOPS HIM FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT ONLY ALLOWS HIM TO DO WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.

I'M NOT VETTED THIS AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT BUT AS MRS. RICONSLEY SAID, WE WILL PROBABLY LOSE THE CHEESE WILL, AND WE'LL PROBABLY LOSE THE PHOTOGRAPHER ON THAT KING STREETS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD PROPERTY TO RENT WHEN THIS COMES THROUGH AND WE SEE THE VISION COMPLETE, SOME LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY HOPE THAT WE DO IN THE 30 DAYS THAT'LL BE DELAYED IF YOU APPROVE THIS TONIGHT IS A 30-DAY DELAY FOR IT TO GO TO THE STATE, IS TO REACH OUT AND SERIOUSLY DO SOME COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS THROUGH AS MUCH EFFORT AS WE CAN, NOT JUST ELECTRONIC, BUT IN PERSON AND I KNOW MR. BROUDY IS DOING THAT HIMSELF AND I ALSO SAY THAT I'VE NEVER MET MR. BROUDY.

DON'T KNOW HIM. I'VE NEVER BEEN TO HIS LIQUOR STORE. THANK YOU.

>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS FRANSHUT BRAUN BONN.

FORGIVE ME, SIR. [BACKGROUND] I GOT THE FRANSHUT.

>> GOOD EVENING, DELEGATE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO US.

MY NAME IS FRANSHAW BARBARA, 3-5 FLORIDIAN AVENUE.

I'M HERE TO ACTUALLY SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF MR. BROUDY.

I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING HIM CLOSE TO A DECADE AGO AND HONESTLY, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER NOW.

BACK THEN I WAS NOT A BUSINESS OWNER.

I WAS MORE LIKE AS IN STATUS, IF YOU WILL.

THE WAY MR. BROUDY TREATED ME WAS UNBELIEVABLE.

HE HAS CONTINUED TO DO SO AND SUPPORTED ME AND MY BUSINESS WHEN I STARTED MY BUSINESS.

I'M HERE TO TELL PEOPLE THE CHARACTER OF BARRY IS SECOND TO NONE.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW BARRY, I ENCOURAGE YOU.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE SITTING BEHIND ME REALLY OPPOSING THIS FOR THEIR OWN REASONS, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO HE IS AND IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO HIM, GO TO THE MEETING ON THE 15TH AND REALLY GET TO KNOW HIM BECAUSE WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW HE'S A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW HE CARES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW DEVELOPERS GET A REALLY BAD RAP IN THIS TOWN FOR NUMEROUS REASONS BUT I KNOW A COUPLE OF THEM AND A LOT OF THEM ARE UNSUNG HEROES IN MY OPINION.

THEY DO SO MUCH FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT VOICED AND I KNOW VERY PERSONALLY IS

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DEEPLY INGRAINED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND HE ACTUALLY DOES A LOT THAT PEOPLE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND BEHIND THE SCENES.

FOR THAT, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT HIS PROJECT BECAUSE IF THIS IS HIS VISION, I KNOW HE WANTS THE BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M ALL FOR IT.

I THINK ST. AUGUSTINE HONESTLY NEEDS THIS.

THE LAST THING WE WANT TO SEE, THERE'S ANOTHER CBS OR ANOTHER STORAGE UNIT LIKE THIS LAST THING THIS TOWN NEEDS AND I THINK EVERYBODY CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER'S JEREMY MARQUEST.

>> EVENING MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

JEREMY MARQUEST, MARK CELEBRITY HAUL BACK.

WE'RE PLEASED TO BE THE MASTER PLANNERS FOR THE BROUDY PROJECT AND AS WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE COMING UP FOR THAT PIECE TODAY, I DID JUST WANT TO COME AND JUST MENTIONED A FEW THINGS THAT I HOPE WILL BE GOOD AS WE THINK THROUGH THIS.

WE ARE A PLANNING FIRM AND CERTAINLY HAVE STUDIED MODS AND SIMILAR TODS ACROSS THE STATE AND I THINK THAT THOSE ARE HUGELY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THE CONTINUED VIABILITY AND THE CONTINUED LIVABILITY OF THIS WONDERFUL CITY.

BUT ALSO I LOVE THE FACT THAT AS WRITTEN, THE MOD ZONING AND LAND USE IS VERY FOCUSED IN THIS APPLICATION.

THIS ISN'T LOOKING AT THIS DENSITY ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, IT'S NOT LOOKING AT THIS HEIGHT ACROSS THE ENTIRE STUDY, IT'S VERY FOCUSED ON THINKING THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THE OTHER PIECE THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT THE BROUDY PROJECT, IN PARTICULAR, IS THE FACT THAT IT IS TIED IN WITH THE KING STREET ENTRY CORRIDOR OR STANDARDS.

WE'LL GET INTO MATERIALS, IT'LL LOOK AT ROOFS, IT'LL LOOK AT HIDING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.

IT REALLY GETS INTO A LOT OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN OUR COMMUNITY PUT IN PUD LANGUAGE.

BUT WE ALREADY HAVE A TOOL THAT THIS COMMISSION IN COMMISSIONS BEFORE THIS HAVE PUT IN PLACE TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND SO I THINK TYING IT IN IS HUGELY IMPORTANT AND ADVANTAGEOUS.

I THINK THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY A RATIONALE OR A FAIR POINT ABOUT DO YOU PUT THESE TWO PIECES TOGETHER OR DO YOU DO ONE AND THEN THE OTHER? I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY WE'VE HEARD THE CITY MANAGER IN THE LAST MEETING TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WERE BEING DECOUPLED AND CERTAINLY, THERE'S A LONGER PERIOD FOR THE BROUDY PORTION, BUT I THINK IT IS A LITTLE BIT THAT CHICKEN AND EGG.

SOMETIMES IN MY BUSINESS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, TO SEE WHAT 75 FEET WOULD LOOK LIKE, TO SEE WHAT 50 UNITS PER ACRE WOULD LOOK LIKE, TO SEE WHAT THAT CROSSOVER AND THE RAIL STARTS TO IMPACT AND MAKE A REALLY POSITIVE INFLUENCE, IN MY OPINION ON THE CITY AND THAT IS CERTAINLY WHAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO.

IT IS A CULMINATION TO THIS POINT OF FOUR YEARS OF DESIGN WORK THAT OUR FIRM HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT EARLIER ITERATIONS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, AND SO WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH US.

I'LL BE AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN HOUSE ON FRIDAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

HOPE TO SEE MANY OF OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND JUST IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY, AND WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO BE A PART.

WE'RE HERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ELLEN AVERY SMITH.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING NOW, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, ELLEN AVERY SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WHETSTONE PLACE, HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS.

THE CITY CREATED A MOBILITY PLAN THAT IS ADOPTED INTO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THAT MOBILITY PLAN HAS THE LOCATION FOR FOUR POTENTIAL PARKING GARAGES IN THE PERIMETER OF THE CITY TO HELP WITH YOUR MOBILITY, TO GET CARS OUT OF DOWNTOWN, TO GET PEOPLE TO PARK IN EITHER BIKE OR WALK OR TAKE TRAMS, AS THE CASE MAY BE IN YOUR PLAN.

THE MOD LAND-USE CATEGORY, AND ZONING CATEGORY HELP TO IMPLEMENT YOUR MOBILITY PLAN.

THE LAND-USE CATEGORY AND THE ZONING CATEGORY CAN ONLY GO ON ONE OF TWO PROPERTIES.

ONE IS THE BROUDY PROPERTY AND ONE IS I CALL THE OLD TRAIN STATION UP ON US1.

THERE ARE DRAMATIC LIMITATIONS IN THESE TEXTS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH RESPECT TO THESE HAVE TO INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

SO BRINGING RESIDENTS BACK TO DOWNTOWN, PROVIDING PARKING FOR BUSINESSES,

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NOT ONLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF US1, BUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF US1 TO HELP THOSE BUSINESSES GROW BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN WEST AUGUSTINE THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING AND CAN'T GROW.

THIS AGAIN, IS A BENEFIT FOR THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BROUDY APPLICATION, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOW ASKING TO APPLY THE LAND USE AND ZONING CATEGORY OF MOD TO THE BROUDY PROPERTY.

AS JEREMY JUST ALLUDED TO, HE'S DONE A LOT OF STUDY OF WHAT MASS AND HEIGHT AND SCALE LOOK LIKE AS APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHY WE FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT IF THE CITY IS GOING TO CREATE THIS LAND USE AND ZONING CATEGORY FOR TWO SPECIFIC PIECES OF PROPERTY TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND JUST SHOW YOU WHAT THAT PROJECT CAN BE WITH A TRAIN STATION THAT HOPEFULLY COMES FROM JTA SOONER THAN LATER, BUT CERTAINLY A PARKING GARAGE THAT'S GOING TO COME IN THE TIMING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO ENTER INTO WHATEVER AGREEMENT FOR A LEASE OF 200 PLUS PUBLIC PARKING SPACES.

THIS IS A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO MOBILITY NOT JUST COMMUTER RAIL INTO THE FUTURE, BUT ALSO NOW BUILDING PARKING, HAVING TRAIN STATIONS OR TRAM STATIONS, I'M SORRY, AND JUST REALLY BRINGING THE MOBILITY PLAN TO LIFE, IF YOU WILL.

THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING CATEGORY, THERE ARE LOTS OF BUILT-IN PERFORMANCE CRITERIA THAT WILL REQUIRE TRUE MOBILITY STATION.

IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THESE CATEGORIES BEFORE YOU TODAY, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION.

WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

MARIO ALREADY SPOKE, I BELIEVE.

MR. KYOTO ALREADY SPOKE.

MY NEXT SPEAKER IS NANCY PELOSIA.

>> NANCY PELOSIA 31 SPANISH.

I'M A LITTLE BEHIND THE CURVE.

I MISSED THE [LAUGHTER] CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND COULDN'T FIND THE AGENDA.

HAD FAMILY FROM OUT-OF-STATE.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE PASSING THIS ORDINANCES ON MOBILITY IN ORDER TO HAVE THE BROUDY PROPERTY DEVELOPED.

I JUST WANT TO SAY WE WERE SO THRILLED MR. BROUDY, WHEN YOU HAD YOUR INITIAL IN THE PAPER, "PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE GROCERY STORE OUT." BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE WORST INTERSECTIONS.

WE LIKE HIS PLAN BUT LOOKING AT THE RAIL AND THEIR VISUAL, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY SINGLE SQUARE FOOT IS DEVELOPED.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING WITH THE RAIL OR IF WE'RE GOING WITH MR. BROUDY OR IF HIS PLAN HAS BECOME THE RAIL.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN BASE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BROUDY PROPERTY ON THE RAIL BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON IF IT HAPPENS AT ALL.

I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE RAIL TO GO FURTHER TO THE AIRPORT BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD FLY AND GET ON A TRAIN AND COME HERE AND PEOPLE COULD GO TO THE AIRPORT ON THE TRAIN.

IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA, BUT I DON T THINK WE CAN DEVELOP THE PROPERTY BASED ON SOMEDAY HAVING A RAIL STATION THERE, EVEN THOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT IN MY LIFETIME.

BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT'S ON IT AND I HOPE THAT WILL BE A VERY GOOD THING BECAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I KNOW MR. BROUDY IS A LONG TIME ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RESIDENT AND ST. AUGUSTINIAN, AND I KNOW HE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS ISABEL DICKSON. MS. DICKSON.

>> HELLO, I'M ISABEL DICKSON.

ONE THING IN ROSA COURT.

I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF CONGESTING US1 AND KING STREET EVEN FURTHER THAN IT'S ALREADY CONGESTED.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF A PUD ISN'T AN ORDER INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE CLASSIFICATION AND WITH A MOD.

I HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUSH THIS THROUGH, THAT WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO HAVE INPUT

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INTO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE PROJECT, A HUGE UNDERTAKING.

WE DO NEED PARKING AND WE NEED HOUSING, BUT IT WORRIES ME AT THE EXPENSE OF MORE CONGESTION, WHICH IS ALREADY GRIDLOCKED AT US1 AND KING STREET. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NEXT CARD IS STEVEN MENDOZA.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> STEVEN MENDOZA, 137 MOHEGAN ROAD IN AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

I'M ALSO THE OWNER OF BOB BREWING COMPANY JUST WEST OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY SIX YEARS.

WE JUST HAD OUR SIXTH YEAR ANNIVERSARY IN APRIL.

WE'VE LOST A LOT OF BUSINESSES.

I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BUSINESSES GO SINCE THEN.

WE'VE LOST PRESENT MOMENTS, WE LOST CHEESE WHEEL ALREADY, THAT'S GONE, THE HOME BREW SHOP THAT WAS OPEN WHEN I FIRST OPENED, WHICH WAS A BIG HELP FOR ME, THEY'RE GONE.

IO'S PIZZA, THEY'RE GONE, AND JUST THIS WEEK, BAKERSFIELD BREAD CLOSED.

WE'RE ONTO THE FOURTH CONCEPT ON THE BUILDING ACROSS FROM US.

IT'S A TOUGH STRIP TO SUCCEED AS A SMALL BUSINESSMAN OR LADY.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR IT, AND I THINK REALLY WHAT SOME OF THE BIGGER ISSUES THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT OR PEOPLE HAVE THEIR CONCERNS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I REALLY THINK THE DENSITY IS WHAT'S NEEDED TO HELP DRIVE SOME VIBRANCY OVER THERE.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S JUST NOTHING REALLY GOING ON OVER THERE.

I THINK I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING IF YOU DRIVE ON WEST KING AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK, THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE BUSINESS OPEN AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE BOB BREWERY.

I THINK THIS IS REALLY OUR LAST GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND TRY AND CREATE GROWTH AND DENSITY CREATES VIBRANCY.

OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN HERE IS THE DEFINITION OF DENSE.

IT'S BUILDING ON BUILDING.

IT'S NOT TALL IN ALL PLACES, BUT IT'S DENSE AND IT GIVES PEOPLE A WIDE RANGE OF THINGS TO DO.

THERE'S NOT JUST ONE THING TO DO DOWNTOWN, WHETHER YOU'RE INTO THE HISTORY, THE FORT, DINING, THE VIEWS, THE WATERFRONT, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS TO DO.

I THINK ACKNOWLEDGING THAT DENSITY IS NEEDED TO DRIVE PEOPLE TO BUSINESSES IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

IT'S VERY NERVOUS, EVEN AS A BUSINESS OWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER OVER THERE, THINGS WORK FOR US RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO WORK AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ON KING STREET.

BUT I REALLY DO THINK THAT BARRY IS BEHIND IT.

I THINK HE'S HONEST IN HIS MOTIVES TO DO IT, AND I REALLY THINK HE'S LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, AND I SUPPORT IT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE OUR LAST BEST CHANCE TO REALLY PUT THAT STAKE IN THE GROUND, AND MAKE A BIG CHANGE FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH OF NOT ONLY THE CITY CENTER THAT EVERYONE REFERS TO, BUT ALSO WEST AUGUSTINE THAT SOMETIMES GETS LEFT BEHIND. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BJ COLETTI.

>> BJ COLETTI, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

I BELIEVE I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT ACTUALLY LIVES IN WEST CITY, ST. AUGUSTINE. NO?

>> SOME OTHER SPEAKERS LIVE IN WEST AUGUSTINE.

>> NO, THEY LIVE IN THE COUNTY.

I WAS WRITING DOWN THEIR ADDRESS.

I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH THAT AND THEY HAVE BUSINESS PEOPLE, BUT THE COUNTY LINE AND THE CITY LINE IS AT PELLICER, AND MR. TYRONE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PELLICER.

THE THING IS, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN RUSHED THROUGH THE MOBILITY ORIENT DEVELOPMENT, MOD, AND I'M NOT FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS SPECIFICALLY RUSHED THROUGH FOR ONE DEVELOPER, AND ALSO I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE AND I'M GLAD THE OTHER GENTLEMAN FROM THE BOB PEOPLE LET THE OTHER GENTLEMAN KNOW, I'M SURE YOU ALL KNEW TOO, THAT THE CHEESE WHEEL IS GONE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING IN THERE, BUT THE WORD IS THE CHEESE WHEEL IS GONE.

WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

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I WOULD LIKE ON THE RECORD, TO ASK MR. BROUDY TO PLEASE CLEAN UP THE TRASH ON THE UTILITY POLES IN THAT WEST KING STREET AREA.

I DON'T WANT YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN ASKED FOR SINCE DECEMBER.

PUT IT UP THERE FOR UNITIVE LIGHTS, AND IT'S STILL UP THERE EVEN THOUGH THEY'D BEEN ASKED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE TO CLEAN IT UP.

THAT'S ONE REASON I THINK PEOPLE DON'T COME TO WEST CITY, AUGUSTINE.

YOU'RE CALLING IT MR. SURE, HE COULD HELP THEM CLEAN THAT UP TOO, AND MR. TYRONE CAN AND MR. BAILEY, WHEN YOU LIVE THERE AND YOU SEE THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND IT IS A BLIGHTED AREA BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ALLOWED TO GO DOWN.

THE CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO ENFORCE THE CODES, THE PARKING, AND WHAT THESE BUSINESSES DO ON THE SIDEWALK.

YOU LET THEM HAVE A SANDWICH BOARD, BUT THEY DON'T KEEP IT UNDERNEATH THEIR AWNING, WHICH NEVER BE THEY DON'T OWN THE SIDEWALK.

THEY VIOLATE THE CODES ALL THE TIME CONSTANTLY.

I CAN GIVE YOU A TOUR OF IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S GETTING VERY LATE AND WE ALL WANT TO GO HOME.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE PASSED TO THE SECOND READING, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND SO IS THE OTHER ONE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF I SHOULD SPEAK AT THIS ONE OR NOT BECAUSE I WAS WANTING FOR 9-A1 AND THIS IS A QUESTION, HAS MR. BROUDY PAID MR. LANG ONE MILLION PLUS DOLLARS FOR THE 194 WEST KING STREET PROPERTY FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS DEVELOPMENT? THANK YOU.

>> AT THIS POINT, I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE CARDS.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION WHO'S NOT ALREADY DONE SO? SEEING NO ONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> MR. MAYOR, COULD YOU READ THE LETTER FROM COMMISSIONER HORVATH FOR US? DAVID, I KNOW WE READ IT ON THE LAST ITEM, BUT SHE ALSO SENT A LETTER SAYING SHE'S NOT HERE WITH US.

>> MR. BERTRAM, WOULD YOU READ THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

>> COMMISSIONER ROXANNE HORVATH TO MAYOR UPCHURCH, VICE MAYOR NANCY SIKES-KLINE, COMMISSIONER JOHN VALDES, COMMISSIONER BARBARA BLONDER.

I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING, JULY 11TH, 2022, DUE TO A PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED TIME OUT OF TOWN.

I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MY THINKING ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AND DECISION FACING OUR CITY.

FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT I AM NOT IN OPPOSITION TO THIS EDITION OF LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE.

I DO FEEL THE HEIGHT AND THE DENSITY OF THE CATEGORY NEEDS FURTHER STUDY.

SECOND, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH DETAIL GIVEN TO SUPPORT THIS LARGE INCREASE OF UNITS PER ACRE, AND THEREFORE, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT AT THIS STAGE.

I ASK THAT YOU MOVE ALL FOUR ORDINANCES TO THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.

THIS WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TIME TO MAKE A MORE PERSUASIVE REASONING FOR THIS MAJOR INCREASE IN BOTH DENSITY AND HEIGHT.

IT WILL ALLOW ME, AS THE ARCHITECT ON THE BOARD, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION WITH ALL OF YOU ON THIS ISSUE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS ISSUE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE DONE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE 2022-14.

COMMENTS, OBSERVATIONS, WHAT'S YOUR DESIRE?

>> I GUESS THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK IS DO WE TABLE THIS OR DO WE MOVE IT TO SECOND READING? THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT.

AGAIN, MAYBE MY INTERPRETATION OF FIRST READING IS WHEN YOU PUT IT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC AND SAY WE HAVE THIS BEFORE US, WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER IT AND BE AWARE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO SECOND READING.

YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

WE MAY TABLE SEVERAL TIMES, WE MAY GO TO SEVERAL WORKSHOPS, WE MAY DO A CONTENT PATEL, WHICH I THINK HE HAD 17, I BELIEVE OR IT WAS A BUNCH.

TO NOT MOVE THIS ALONG COMMISSIONERS AGAIN, WASTING A MONTH TO GET TO THE MIDDLE OF THIS THING.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'S GOT A LOT OF THINGS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, LOTS OF THINGS.

I'D LIKE TO GET ON WITH TALKING ABOUT THEM.

BUT TO ME THAT MEANS IT'S GOING TO SECOND READING, SO WE GET IT ALL OUT OF THE TABLE AND WE START WORKING THROUGH IT. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER VALDEZ.

IF MS. SKINNER, IF YOU COULD REMIND US AGAIN OF WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS, BECAUSE AT LEAST THIS NEXT TO ORDINANCE HAS TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE BETWEEN NOW AND A SECOND HEARING?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IF YOU MOVE THIS FORWARD, THIS IS CONSIDERED A TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARING.

WE WILL TRANSMIT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO THE STATE AND THE OTHER REVIEWING AGENCIES.

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THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO REVIEW IT AND DETERMINE IF THEY HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS OR ISSUES.

IF THEY IDENTIFY ISSUES, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 30 DAY PERIOD TO REVIEW IT.

IT WOULD NOT COME BACK FOR SECOND READING UNTIL WE GO THROUGH THE STATE REVIEW PROCESS.

IF WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OTHER STATE AGENCIES WOULD BRING UP.

BUT WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR OUR SECOND READING, YOU COULD MAKE CHANGES AT THAT POINT, AND THEN IF YOU DECIDE TO MAKE CHANGES AND ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AT THAT TIME, WE WOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE STATE WITH CHANGES AND WE WOULD ARTICULATE WHAT THE CHANGES WERE, WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY LOOKED AT PREVIOUSLY, AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

THE REZONING ORDINANCE OR THEIR CREATION EXCUSE ME, OF THE NEW ZONING DISTRICT WOULD HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE WHEN AND IF THE LAND USE IS ADOPTED.

NOTHING ELSE WOULD BE ADOPTED UNTIL THE LAND-USE GETS ADOPTED.

YOU CAN CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE AS WELL TO BE.

>> WE'RE IN EFFECT GOING TO ASSUMING THE COMMISSION PASSES BOTH OF THESE ORDINANCES ON FIRST READING TONIGHT, WE IN FACT ENTER INTO A 30-DAY HIATUS?

>> THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND CONSIDER THIS ON SECOND READING AND THEN WE'LL TURN TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE BROUDY PROJECT.

>> YES. ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, THE ISSUE IS ALSO TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCES TO APPLY THESE NEW LAND USE AND ZONING DISTRICTS TO THE BROUDY PROPERTY.

BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST INTRODUCTIONS AND FIRST READINGS.

THEY WOULD NOT COME BACK FOR SECOND READING UNTIL THESE CATEGORIES ARE ACTUALLY CREATED.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK COMMISSIONER VALDEZ AT LEAST I AGREE WITH HIM WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT WE'RE TEAING THESE UP, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ABSOLUTELY AS MUCH TIME AS WE AS A COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GET A LEVEL OF COMFORT AND UNDERSTANDING.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT SOME IN THE COMMUNITY COULD BE ANXIOUS ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS A CHANGE, IT IS TRANSFORMATION.

BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD VETTED THIS AND APPROVE THIS OVERWHELMINGLY, NOT JUST THE LAND USE APPROVAL, BUT ALSO THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION AS WELL.

>> THIS HAS BEEN VETTED IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY OF COURSE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK, AND THERE WILL BE NUMEROUS OTHER NOT ONLY OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION, BUT PRESENTATIONS FROM MR. BROUDY AND OTHERS TO THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP A COMFORT LEVEL, AND AN UNDERSTANDING DOESN'T MEAN AGREEMENT, BUT A COMFORT LEVEL AND UNDERSTANDING. VICE MAYOR.

>> WELL. I APPRECIATE ROXANNE COMMISSION OF HORVATH'S WRITING TO US AND ASKING US.

I HAVE OFTEN IN THE PAST LOOK FOR HER EXPERTISE AND GUIDANCE WHEN IT COMES TO ARCHITECTURE.

I AM VERY MOVED BY HER LETTER, AND ESPECIALLY IN HER STATEMENT THAT SHE SAYS THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE INTENSITY OF THE INCREASE IN INTENSITY, WHICH IS THE 75 FEET, 50 UNITS PER ACRE, AND 80 PERCENT LOT COVERAGE.

I LOVE THE ENTHUSIASM THAT I'VE HEARD IN THE ROOM, AND CERTAINLY THIS IS A WORTHY PROJECT AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT DIGESTED THIS PROJECT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DIGESTED THIS PROJECT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DETAIL AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS.

WHAT ABOUT THE TRAIN STATION? IS IT GOING TO BE THERE, IS IT NOT? CERTAINLY A TRAIN STATION IS A WORTHY LONG-TERM GOAL, BUT IS THERE CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL BE HERE? WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING? I'M NOT EVEN GETTING INTO THE ZONING AS IT'S WRITTEN, THE PROPOSAL TO CREATE THE ZONING CATEGORY.

I'M NOT READY TO SEND ANYTHING TO TALLAHASSEE, THAT'S IN THIS FORM.

THIS IS ME, I LIKE TO THINK THAT I'M REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN THE ROOM SOMETIMES, BECAUSE I'VE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT.

THEY DON T KNOW WHAT IS IT ALL ABOUT? IS IT GOOD?

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IS IT BAD? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES 75 FEET MEAN? HOW DO YOU MEASURE? HOW DO WE COMPREHEND 50 UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY? WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

THAT'S UNHEARD OF, 75 FEET IS UNHEARD OF IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THERE'S NO ZONING CODE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT ALLOWS 75 FEET ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTY.

THAT'S OUR FOR US TO IMAGINE, MAYBE IT'S A SEVEN STORY BUILDING, MAYBE IT'S A FOUR STORY BUILDING OR MORE OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S A WORTHY PROJECT.

I THINK THAT IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH DISCUSSING BECAUSE I THINK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR WEST AUGUSTINE IS MUCH NEEDED.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER SO MANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ASKED ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD LET MR. BROUDY HAVE HIS RECEPTION IN THE COMMUNITY, TALK TO THE COMMUNITY, AND LET HIM HELP US DO THAT WORK.

LET HIM ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HEAR THAT TONIGHT.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. THANK YOU.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS ON TO THIS DAY.

>> IF I MAY JUST JUMP IN REAL QUICK BECAUSE I'M NOT CLEAR ON SOMETHING HERE.

IF WE MOVE THIS TO SECOND READING WHICH GIVES US OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND GET THOSE ANSWERS REPEATEDLY IF NECESSARY, BECAUSE I SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS YOU DO ROXANNE HAS.

IF WE MOVE IT TO SECOND READING WHICH ENABLES US TO DO THAT ON THE RECORD.

AFTER WE GET IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEN WE REFINE IT AND SEND IT TO TALLAHASSEE OR AS SOON AS WE PASS IT A SECOND READ, IT'S GOT TO GO TALLAHASSEE IMMEDIATELY.

NO, IT'S A FLAWED PROCESS, IT REALLY IS.

>> IF YOU PASS IT TONIGHT AT FIRST READING, WE SEND IT TO TALLAHASSEE.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO GET ALL THE OTHER STATE AGENCIES COMMENTS.

ONCE WE GET ALL THE OTHER STATE AGENCIES COMMENTS, THEN WE GO TO A SECOND READING.

YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE SECOND READINGS.

WE'RE JUST HAVING ONE LAST HEARING HERE.

>> WE GET ALL THE STATE AGENCIES COMMENTS, WHICH COULD BE A DEAL KILLER ANYWAY IF WE DID IT FIRST AND THEN COME BACK TO US, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO ADOPT IT WHICH DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T COME BACK TO BARRY AND SAY WE DON'T LIKE THIS, WE GO TO THE PUD.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> CORRECT.

>> WE HAVE LOTS OF BITES TO THIS APPLE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, THERE'S NO RUSH.

>> JUST GOT TO GET BITING ON IT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

>> NOW WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE AT THIS MOMENT.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

WE HAVE A LOCAL RULE THAT WE FOLLOW THAT OUR MEETINGS WILL LAST FOUR HOURS AND WE ARE NOW AT THE FOUR HOUR MARK.

>> YES WE ARE.

>> LET'S GO HOME HOME NOW.

>> WHAT'S THAT?

>> I SAID TIME TO GO HOME NOW.

>> IS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MEETING FOR SOME [OVERLAPPING]?

>> SO MOVED.

>> OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO PUT A TIME SPECIFIC ON THAT?

>> THIRTY MINUTES?

>> COMMISSIONER BLONDER MOVES THAT WE CONTINUE FOR 30 MINUTES.

I SEC. FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL CONSIDER IT AGAIN AT 9:30 IF WE NEED TO.

MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE FOR 30 MINUTES.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE? THANK YOU.

WE'LL CONTINUED TO AT LEAST 9:30.

NOW, COMMISSIONER BLONDER.

>> I ACTUALLY HAVE FAIRLY LENGTHY COMMENTS THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO READ FROM THEM.

BUT I WANT TO AGREE WITH BOTH THE COMMISSIONER VALDEZ, AND THE MAYOR, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CLARIFICATION ON THE PROCESS FROM MS. SKINNER AND MR. BERTRAM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T MOVE THIS FORWARD THROUGH FIRST READING SO THAT WE CAN ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, SO THAT WE CAN ENGAGE.

I'M GOING TO EXPRESS SOME OF MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW VERY SPECIFICALLY.

IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, THE RELEVANT COMP PLAN ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE HERE HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS POTENTIAL LAND-USE CATEGORY, THIS MOD NEW LAND USE CATEGORY, IS ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH AND ALIGNS WITH THAT COMP PLAN.

IN NUMEROUS ELEMENTS AND OBJECTIVES SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING URBAN SPRAWL, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY AND HOUSING.

FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE FEELING RUSHED, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THIS PROCESS ENABLES US TO FULLY VET THE PROPOSALS, THE NEW CATEGORIES, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT.

I'D ALSO REMIND PEOPLE THOUGH, THAT THESE ORDINANCES AND PROJECT TIGHTLY ALIGNED WITH THAT COMP PLAN AND THAT COMP PLAN WAS ADOPTED EXACTLY TWO YEARS AGO.

NOTHING IS NEW IN THE PAST TWO YEARS ABOUT URBAN SPRAWL AND ADDRESSING THAT PROBLEM ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY,

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EXCEPT THAT WE PASSED THE MOBILITY PLAN AND MOBILITY IMPACT FEE IN FEBRUARY.

I THINK THAT THE CATEGORY ITSELF ISN'T ALL THAT NEW.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT IS NEW.

BUT I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OF THESE CATEGORIES AND IT WILL BLEED INTO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FOR OVER SOME OF THEM AND IT CAN'T HELP BUT DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL BEING INTRODUCED AT ONCE.

I THINK WE'VE ALL GOTTEN REALLY TOO ACCUSTOMED TO DRIVING BY THAT INTERSECTION OF WEST KING STREET AND US1 AND JUST SAYING, IT'S UGLY.

WELL, IF I WERE NEW TO THIS TOWN, I WOULD BE HORRIFIED BY DRIVING IN AND THAT IS OUR ENTRYWAY.

IT IS A BLIGHT AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER.

LET'S GET UNACCUSTOMED TO LOOKING AT IT.

EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE BY IT FROM NOW ON OR BIKE BY IT, OR TRY TO WALK ACROSS THAT STREET LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE DO, THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH BETTER IT COULD BE AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSFORM THAT.

I ALSO TOOK AN OPPORTUNITY YESTERDAY TO DRIVE OUT ON 16 AND REALLY CHECK OUT THE WAWA THAT'S OUT THERE.

BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO GET DEVELOPED.

IT'S GOING TO GET DEVELOPED.

ONE OF THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITIES IS A WAWA.

THERE WERE 16 GAS PUMPS THERE AND I DROVE AROUND THE BACK OF IT AND THERE WERE 12 MORE EV CHARGING STATIONS.

THAT'S GREAT. BUT THAT'S A LOT OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT.

I HEARD FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO PET SIT FOR US THAT, MAN, THE HOAGIES ARE REALLY GOOD THERE SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF WAWA FOR THE FOOD AS WELL.

THINK ABOUT THAT. THINK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION AT 312 AND US1.

THAT IS WHAT THE ZONING CURRENTLY IS TODAY.

THAT'S WHAT IT COULD BECOME.

SOME OF THE OTHER PUBLIC BENEFITS INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS IN TRANSPORTATION, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WITHOUT CARS OR THOSE SUCH AS MYSELF THAT DESIRE REGULARLY ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION.

THAT MEANS OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS IN MOBILITY.

IT'S AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF OUR MOBILITY PLAN TO HAVE AN MOD LAND USE CATEGORY AND IT HAVING MOD ZONING.

INCREASED DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN CAN TIP THE SCALES FOR BRINGING SERVICES BACK TO THE DOWNTOWN, TO BRINGING RETAIL BACK TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY LIMITS.

MAYBE A GROCERY STORE, MAYBE DRY CLEANING, OR WHATEVER, WE CAN GET SERVICES BACK AND THIS INCREASED DENSITY, WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT LOOKS SCARY.

IT CAN ALSO HAVE A REAL POSITIVE BENEFIT.

NO HARDWARE STORES, NO PHARMACIES DOWNTOWN ANYMORE, THOSE COULD COME BACK.

THE ECONOMIC POTENTIAL FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE WEST AUGUSTINE AREA HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED OR HIGHLIGHTED BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SPOKE PUBLICLY.

LET'S NOT ALSO FORGET THAT ALL OF THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT I SEE GOING UP IN THAT AREA ARE ALL HOTELS.

THAT GENERATES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US START TO SHIFT THE BALANCE IN THIS CITY BACK TOWARD RESIDENTIAL AND AWAY FROM SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND HOTELS, WE NEED MORE RESIDENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, NOT LESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WHICH WAS A FUNDAMENTAL DRIVING ASPECT OF THE VISION PLAN.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AS FOLKS LIVING IN ST. AUGUSTINE, IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> IF I COULD CONTINUE FOR THIS, THANK YOU.

THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF CONCERN I HAVE IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THE LAND-USE CATEGORY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ANY REFERENCE TO HOTELS, MOTELS, CONFERENCE CENTERS AND OR SERVICE STATIONS REMOVED FROM THIS CATEGORY, AS WELL AS THE ZONING CATEGORY AND ANY OTHER APPLICATION.

LASTLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME, I'D REALLY LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO INTEGRATE AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, SOME INCENTIVIZING FOR IT OR WHATEVER.

I GUESS THIS IS AN INCENTIVE ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY.

BUT SOME WAY OF SWEETENING THE DEAL BY TRYING TO AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ORDINANCE 2022-14 BE PASSED ON

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FIRST READING AND TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE FLORIDA. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> ORDINANCE, NUMBER 2022-14 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CITY OF ST.

[INAUDIBLE] ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THANK YOU MS. LOPEZ, FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WELL, I'LL JUST SAY I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE ARE TOO MANY QUESTIONS STILL.

THERE'S A LOT OF COULDS AND WOULDS AND MAYBES, BUT THERE IS NO CERTAINTY YOU'VE GOT A ZONING CATEGORY.

IT'S WIDE-OPEN. IT'S BASICALLY WIDE-OPEN.

THERE'S BASICALLY THREE CHOICES YOU WANT TO DO A TRAIN STATION, WHICH I FEEL AS MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, A TRANSIT STATION [NOISE] OR I GUESS A PARKING GARAGE.

THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS.

YOU TALKED ABOUT LAND PERMITTED USES.

THE WAY I READ THIS, THEY'VE GOT A LAUNDRY PLANT, A DRY CLEANING PLANT, IS ONE OF THE PERMITTED USES IN THIS, IS THAT, DO YOU WANT TO DRY CLEANING PLANT THERE? I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF COULD, WOULD, SHOULD AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS CAREFULLY ENOUGH AND IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION REALLY.

WE'RE READY TO VOTE. THIS IS MY FINAL STATEMENT.

LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT OPPOSED.

I THINK IT'S A WORTHY CONCEPT.

FINALLY, I THINK THAT THE TRAIN STATION CONCEPT NEEDS TO BE UNLINKED ENTIRELY FROM THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ZONING CATEGORY IN THIS ACTUAL PROJECT.

I THINK THE TWO OF THEM ARE YEARS APART.

I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ASKING IS WHAT RENT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT TYPE OF RENT, WHAT INCOME ARE THESE RESIDENTS GOING TO? WHAT IS THE AVERAGE INCOME GOING TO BE AT THESE RESONANCE? IS IT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED.

THIS IS NOT THERE.

THE DETAIL'S NOT THERE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> THE IDEA IS NOT THERE.

[OVERLAPPING] I JUST CAN'T.

I WOULD RATHER DO IT NOW AND THEN TO PUSH IT THROUGH AND THEN TRY TO SCRAMBLE AND ANSWER LATER. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VALDEZ.

I HEAR FROM PEOPLE ON THE PUBLIC, HE PUTS PERSUADING CAPACITY DECISIONS ARE TO BE DOING THE IMMEDIATE DECISIONS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND ALL THAT THING, WHICH I THINK IS JUST DISTILLATES THING EVER HEARD.

AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS IS STARTING THE PROCESS TO DO ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT.

LET'S DO IT FOLLOWING THE FORMAT OF A SECOND READING AND HOW WE CAN TAKE THIS THING APART FOR THE NEXT 300 YEARS.

WE WANT TO AFTER THAT, BUT AT LEAST WE NOW HAVE IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN, WE'RE DOING IT OFFICIALLY.

THAT'S THE REASON I'M VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO MOVE IT ALONG, SO FAIR TO THE QUESTIONS.

>> FOR THE CONVERSATION, SAYING NONE.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.