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>> THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE CITY COMMISSIONED THE ORDER,
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
AND I ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.>> ROXANNE HORVATH. JOHN VALDES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE A QUORUM.
IT'S OUR HONOR THIS AFTERNOON TO HAVE PASTOR BOBBY APPLEBY FROM COLONIAL CHURCH WHO'S AGREED TO COME AND OFFER US AN INVOCATION.
PASTOR, IF YOU'RE HERE COME FORWARD, SIR. WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL.
IF YOU'D PLEASE RISE, REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] OPPORTUNITY. OUR FATHER, WE BOW BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON WITH [NOISE] HUMBLE HEARTS AND GRATITUDE FOR THE NATION IN WHICH WE LIVE AND FOR THIS GREAT CITY.
WE THANK YOU HEAVENLY FATHER FOR THIS MEETING AND ALL THAT ARE PRESENT, AND WE ASK THAT YOUR PRESENCE AND YOUR WISDOM WILL FLOW THROUGH HERE TONIGHT.
WE PRAY, FATHER FOR STRENGTH FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN LEADERSHIP.
WE PRAY FOR HARMONY THROUGHOUT THIS CITY.
WE PRAY, HEAVENLY FATHER THAT YOUR HAND WILL BE UPON THE BACK OF EVERYONE AND THAT YOUR FACE WOULD SHINE UPON THEM AND THAT YOU WILL GIVE THEM GREAT PEACE THIS EVENING WE PRAY IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.
>> PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU PASTOR FOR THE INVOCATION. PLEASE BE SEATED.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE REGULAR AGENDA AS PUBLISHED.
[2. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS]
MR. REAGAN, ARE THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS OR CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, OUR STUFF HAS NO MODIFICATIONS.
>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY CHANGES? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA?
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING IS PROCLAMATION 2022-'21,
[3.A. Proclamation 2022-21: Proclaiming June, 2022, as PRIDE month. (N. Sikes-Kline, Commissioner)]
PROCLAIMING JUNE 2022 AS PRIDE MONTH, VICE MAYOR SIKES-KLINE.>> WHEREAS 235 YEARS AGO, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WROTE THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, WHOSE PREAMBLE STATES, "WE, THE PEOPLE, IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION, ESTABLISH JUSTICE, ENSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY, PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY DO ORDAIN AND ESTABLISH THIS CONSTITUTION FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND, WHEREAS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TOWARD A MORE PERFECT UNION, THIS PROGRESS HAS NOT COME ALL AT ONCE AND OUR COUNTRY STILL STRIVES TO ESTABLISH JUSTICE, WELFARE, LIBERTY, AND TRANQUILITY FOR ALL.
AND WHEREAS ON JUNE 26, 2015, THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HELD THAT THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO MARRY BELONGS TO SAME-SEX COUPLES IN ALL 50 STATES, A VICTORY FOR ALL WHO FOUGHT FOR EQUALITY AND RECOGNITION OF THEIR UNIONS.
AND WHEREAS LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, QUEER QUESTIONING, INTERSEX, AND ASEXUAL LGBTQIA PEOPLE ARE VALUED MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILIES, COMMUNITY, AND HISTORY.
WHEREAS WE MUST CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE RIGHTS OF EVERY CITIZEN TO EXPERIENCE EQUALITY AND FREEDOM FROM DISCRIMINATION AND RECOGNIZE THE CONTINUED NEED FOR EDUCATION AND AWARENESS TO END DISCRIMINATION AND PREJUDICE.
NOW, THEREFORE, THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM JUNE 2022 AS PRIDE MONTH IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AND URGES ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO STAND AS AN ALLY WITH OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN THE FACE OF PREJUDICE WHEREVER IT EXISTS, AND TO EMBRACE THE GREAT DIVERSITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY."
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VICE MAYOR SIKES-KLINE.
IF THERE ARE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION, NOW WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO COME FORWARD.
COMMISSIONERS, I'D INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD AS WELL. [BACKGROUND]
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> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOME WORDS?>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE HOUSE OF PERSON AND ALL THE LGBTQA+ FOLKS WHO LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND IN THE WORLD, ESPECIALLY THE YOUTH, FOR SIGNING THIS.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF PEOPLE ARE NOT ALIGNED OR CO-CONSPIRATORS OR ALLIES, SADLY LIVES AND PEOPLE ARE UNHOUSED, THERE ARE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND YOUR SIGNING THIS MEANS SO MUCH TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU. THANKS.
>> NO, YOU'RE GREAT. LET'S TAKE A PICTURE. [APPLAUSE] [NOISE]
>> WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 4 OF THE AGENDA WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING]
I HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKER CARDS, I'M HAPPY TO RECEIVE ANY OTHERS.I'M GOING TO CALL THESE IN ORDER, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THERE ARE CARDS IN THE BACK AND YOU CAN GIVE IT TO ANY MEMBER OF THE STAFF AND THEY'D BE HAPPY TO GET IT UP HERE TO ME.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER THIS AFTERNOON IS KAREN STERN. WELCOME.
>> I'M SORRY. I HAVE TO HAVE NOTES HERE.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR UPCHURCH, HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS, MR. REAGAN, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S MS. LOPEZ THERE.
THANK YOU. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND SPEAK WITH YOU.
I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH YOU ON YOUR MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
THE INTERSECTION AT WHICH THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT INTERSECTION FOR THE CITY, IS A HISTORIC AND IMPORTANT INTERSECTION AND A GATEWAY TO HISTORIC SAINT AUGUSTINE AND HISTORIC WEST AUGUSTINE.
THEREFORE, CAREFUL THOUGHT NEEDS TO GO INTO WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THIS CORNER AT KING STREET AND PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD.
THE ANSWER IS NOT A STRIP MALL OR 100 GASOLINE PUMP CONVENIENCE STORE FACILITY.
[LAUGHTER] I BELIEVE THAT THE VISION OF BARRY BROUDY IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY ON THIS DESIGN WILL BENEFIT RESIDENTS AND TOURIST.
IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPEARANCE OF FLAGLER COLLEGE AT THE FORMER FEC RAILROAD HEADQUARTERS LOCATION.
THE BROUDY FAMILY HAS SERVED, FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 100 YEARS.
[NOISE] I BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD WANT WORKING WITH THE CITY IN THESE WAYS.
THIS IS A FACILITY THAT IS NOT TO SERVE JUST TOURIST, BUT WILL ALSO SERVE CITY RESIDENTS, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
MY HUSBAND AND I DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT WE ARE HERE FREQUENTLY JUST DOWN THE STREET AT THE HISTORIC SYNAGOGUE ON CORDOVA STREET.
WE SUPPORT THIS VISION AS WE KNOW IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO HISTORIC SITES, COMMERCIAL ENTITIES, AND HOUSES OF WORSHIP SUCH AS OURS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS FULMER AND AFTER MS. FULMER WILL BE JIM SPRINGFIELD.
>> GOOD EVENING. CHRIS FULMER, I LIVE IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT PRESERVATION OF IT.
THERE'S A BUILDING AT 46 SPANISH STREET, WHICH IS BETWEEN BARLEY REPUBLIC AND THE 48 SPANISH B AND B.
IT WAS PURCHASED SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO IT.
IT APPEARS THE OWNERS ARE WAITING FOR THIS HISTORIC BUILDING TO COLLAPSE SO THAT IT WILL FALL OVER SO THEY CAN DEMOLISH IT AND PUT UP A NEW FAKE HISTORIC BUILDING.
WE HAVE A NEW CONCRETE BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF HYPOLITA AND SPANISH, WHERE A HISTORIC BUILDING USED TO STAND UNTIL IT ACCIDENTALLY GOT UNDERCUT AND MADE UNSTABLE AND THEN IT HAD TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THE NEW BUILDING HAS BEEN BASICALLY COMPLETE FOR OVER TWO YEARS, AND IT REMAINS AN UNFINISHED EYESORE WITH NO APPARENT ACTION BY THE CITY,
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BY ZONING, BY HARB.WE HAVE A PRIVATE HOME AT 22 AVENIDA MENENDEZ, BETWEEN TINI MARTINI AND MEEHAN'S WHICH ITSELF WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR ALMOST A DOZEN YEARS, AND WHICH IS NOW DISPLAYING ON ONE OF THE PREMIER TOURIST STREETS DOWNTOWN A VARIETY OF LARGE SIGNS WITH POLITICAL CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON IT.
WHATEVER YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE DOING TO KEEP DOWNTOWN HISTORIC, YOU HAVE FAILED AT THESE THREE LOCATIONS.
I LIKE THE IDEAS FOR THE ANASTASIA BOULEVARD, A COMPLETE STREETS THING, ESPECIALLY THE TRAFFIC COMING AT THE CORNER BY THE SURF STATION AND THE CROSSWALKS FOR PEDESTRIANS.
I DID PARTICIPATE IN THAT SURVEY.
I GOT TO SAY I'M REALLY TIRED OF PUDS.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY WE HAVE A BUILDING CODE BECAUSE ANYTIME ANYBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY JUST COME AND GET AN EXEMPTION.
WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR THAT, PLEASE LISTEN TO THE INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY IT, PLEASE.
THE POET LAUREATE IS A BRILLIANT IDEA.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING PRIDE MONTH AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE HUMANITY OF ALL CITIZENS IN YOUR CITY.
I HAVE BEEN AN ALLY SINCE I WAS 15 YEARS OLD AND FOUND OUT THAT SOME OF MY FRIENDS WERE GAY AND THAT WAS NOT A THING THAT PEOPLE DID IN 1975.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING THAT AND AT SOMETHING THAT MAY BE IN DANGER SOON SO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT.
BE SAFE, BE KIND TO YOUR SERVERS AND THE STAFF WHEN YOU SHOP. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE.
MR. JIM SPRINGFIELD IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND AFTER MR. SPRINGFIELD IS MR. BRUCE MAGUIRE.
>> HI. I COME TO COMMEND YOU, I'M JIM SPRINGFIELD, 6 ALTHEA STREET.
JAMES MADISON IS CREDITED FOR SAYING IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION AND HE MEANT IT AS ALSO TRYING NOT TO GO AWAY FROM THE DECLARATION OF CONFEDERACY, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE WILL NEVER BE A PERFECT UNION, WE'LL NEVER HAVE A PERFECT GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE HUMAN.
BECAUSE WE'RE HUMAN, WE ARE DISTINCTLY AND FACTUALLY DIFFERENT.
BEING FROM A FAMILY THAT IS VERY UNIQUE AND HAVING GAY MEMBERS IN MY FAMILY AND HAVING HAD FRIENDS, AND CO WORKERS, AND STUDENTS OF ALL THE SCHOOLS THAT I'VE SERVED HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHO IDENTIFY WITH THE LGBT, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THE PROCLAMATION AND SUPPORT YOU.
EVER SINCE I CAME TO ST. AUGUSTINE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE 1950S, ST. AUGUSTINE HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES.
THIS IS A BOLD STEP AND A NEEDED STEP SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE OURSELVES JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE PERFECT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. BRUCE MAGUIRE AND AFTER MR. MAGUIRE'S, IS MS. MELINDA RAKONCAY. WELCOME.
>> HELLO. I'M BRUCE MAGUIRE, 297 ST. GEORGE STREET AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MOBILITY ORDINANCE.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME START OFF BY SAYING THAT I SUPPORT THE BROUDY FAMILY AND OPTIMIZING THEIR PROPERTY TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE THEIR REVENUE AND PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF HE WOULD EVER ALLOW ME TO DO SO, I WOULD STAND BEHIND HIM AS HE MOVES FORWARD IN THAT EFFORT.
HOWEVER, I DO NOT SUPPORT OVER-DEVELOPMENT OF ANY PROPERTY, WHETHER IT BE THE COUNTY OR THE CITY.
I OPPOSE THE 50 UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY AS AN OVER-DEVELOPMENT.
I OPPOSE THE 75 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT AS AN OVER-DEVELOPMENT, AND I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN, IT'S OVER 2.6 ACRES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN COMING IN AND OUT, IT GOES OVER FIVE ACRES.
SOMETHING DOESN'T MATCH UP HERE.
WE NEED TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS.
I SUPPORT THE ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORT TO PUT UP MORE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS AND GAIN MORE FACTUAL ISSUES.
THIRDLY, THE INTERSECTION IS ALREADY ONE OF THE MOST CONGESTED INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY.
NOW YOU WANT TO ADD MORE TO THAT INTERSECTION.
WE HAVE TO COMBINE NOT ONLY THE ASPECTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, BUT YOU HAVE HOTELS COMING IN.
DENSITY IS UP AND DOWN KING STREET THEY ARE CHANGING.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO BRING THAT INTO THE DISCUSSION TO DISCOVER MORE HEADACHES OR LACK OF HEADACHES? FINALLY, LET ME WRAP IT UP BY SAYING, MY FAMILY OWNS TWO PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THINK CERTAINLY MOST PEOPLE WILL SAY THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT BENEFIT, WELL I DON'T KNOW.
IF MY FAMILY COMES IN AND SAYS THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD
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A 75 FOOT HEIGHT AND 50 UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY, IS THE CITY GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA BUT WE'VE ALREADY USED IT ALL UP.THERE'S NO MORE CAPACITY FOR ANYBODY ON KING STREET.
I SUPPORT HIM DEVELOPING TO OPTIMIZE, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT OVERKILL. THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MS. MELINDA RAKONCAY AND AFTER MS. RAKONCAY IS MS. LAUREN GUEBA.
>> MELINDA RAKONCAY 86 MAGNOLIA AVENUE.
I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPOSED MOD ORDINANCE.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH MOBILITY SINCE 2016 AND FULLY SUPPORT OUR LONG RANGE PLAN TO MOVE TO PERIPHERY PARKING AND A SHUTTLE SYSTEM.
I ALSO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP AT KING AND US 1 KNOWN AS THE BROUDY PROJECT.
IT WOULD CONSIST OF A GARAGE, MOBILITY HUB, RESIDENTS, A GROCERY, AND OTHER RETAIL TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENCES.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO NEED TO GO THROUGH WRITING A WHOLE NEW ZONING CATEGORY FOR THE BROUDY PROJECT WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE ONE, IT'S THE PUD CATEGORY.
THE BROUDY PROJECT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY PUD ZONING WAS CREATED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SUCH A PUD WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE SOME HIGHER HEIGHT LIMITS AND HIGHER DENSITY THAN ANYTHING OUR COMP PLAN NOW ALLOWS.
BUT THAT CAN EASILY BE SOLVED BY CREATING A CATEGORY THAT ALLOWS FOR HIGHER DENSITIES AND HEIGHTS IN THE CASES OF PUDS.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE DONE THAT IN OUR MARINE INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY, BUT IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO CREATE A MOD CATEGORY THAT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN TO ALLOW A 75 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT AND 50 UNITS PER ACRE.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN DOUBLING OUR 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT, WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO PRESERVE OUR ICONIC SKYLINE AND OUR COLONIAL AND VICTORIAN SCALE WHICH ARE CURRENTLY SO IMPORTANT TO OUR HISTORIC AUTHENTICITY.
DENSITY WISE MOD WOULD MORE THAN TRIPLE OUR NORMAL DENSITY OF 16 UNITS PER ACRE.
INCREASING THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND DENSITY WILL HAVE LONG TERM RAMIFICATIONS ON ST. AUGUSTINE'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
ONE MUST REMEMBER THAT UNLIKE A PUD WHERE ONE CAN CONTROL THE PROJECT, ZONING DISTRICTS HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS OTHER THAN HEIGHT AND DENSITY.
I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TONIGHT TO GO INTO THE VARIOUS PROBLEMS OF THE MOD AS PRESENTLY WRITTEN.
INSTEAD, I WANT TO SUGGEST THAT WE MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED AN MOD AT THIS POINT, SINCE THE BROUDY PROJECT CAN BE BUILT WITH A PUD, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT FURTHER PERIPHERAL GARAGES ON THE ISLAND AND NORTH CITY AS WELL.
SINCE WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING OUR FUTURE NEEDS IN THE 5-10 YEARS WHEN THOSE GARAGES WILL PROBABLY BE BUILT, WOULD IT NOT BE BETTER TO HAVE ALL GARAGE COMPLEXES WHICH COULD POSSIBLY HAVE RESIDENTS AND RETAIL INCLUDED SIMPLY BE PUDS? UNDER THE PUD, WE CAN STILL ENCOURAGE ALL THE FEATURES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS IN THE MOD LANGUAGE.
BOTTOM LINE, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED AN MOD AT ALL IN ST. AUGUSTINE.
I'M ALL FOR THE BROUDY PROJECT BUT IT WILL BE IMPORTANT ENTRYWAY TO THE HISTORIC CITY, WHICH IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE A PUD AND NOT AN MOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LAUREN GAYVER, AND AFTER MS. GAYVER, IS MS. AMY TARMY.
>> LAUREN GAYVER, 257 RIBERIA STREET.
THE ITEM IS NOW A DISCUSSION OR PRESENTATION AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'M USING MY THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE BROUDY PROJECT.
MY CONCERN IS ALSO THE FUTURE DEMANDS FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO MIGHT FIT SOME OF THE MOD CRITERIA EXCEPT FOR NOW NOT BEING ON THE US HIGHWAY CORRIDOR AND ESTABLISHING ONLY THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS NEAR TRAIN STATION, WHICH WILL RECEIVE ANY CONSIDERATION OF MOD DENSITY IF AT ALL.
HOWEVER, I FEEL OTHERWISE SOMETHING SNEAKY MIGHT OCCUR WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE WATER TAXI PROPOSAL, ITEM 10 H IN THE MOD CRITERIA.
AS IT STANDS NOW, THE MODIFICATION OF 75 FOOT HIGH BUILDINGS AND THE 80 PERCENT DENSITY OF THE PROPERTY, ALONG WITH THE 50 UNITS PER ACRE, WILL CERTAINLY FOREVER ALTER AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THE CITY'S CHARACTER.
WE AS CITIZENS, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND HEAR THE DATA AND ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM BY MR. BROUDY'S ATTORNEY, WHY THE PROJECT WOULD NOT BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE IF THE HEIGHT AND THE DENSITY WERE NOT APPROVED.
IN 2019, MR. BROUDY STATED IN THE RECORD THAT HIS SITE WOULD INCLUDE WORKFORCE HOUSING. DOES IT STILL?
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THERE WAS NO RECORD OF THIS AT THE PCB MEETING OR IN THE MATERIALS PROVIDED OR CAN IT BE A MIXED MARK, CURRENT MARKET VALUE RENTALS AND AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THAT RETAIL SHOPS? THERE'S SO MANY POSSIBILITIES LISTED.ALSO LISTED WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF A HOTEL OR A CONVENTION CENTER.
THERE IS A WAY FOR MR. BROUDY AND HIS GROUP TO MAKE PROFITS AND MANAGE WITH COMPROMISE ON HEIGHT AND DENSITY.
THEY ALL LOVE THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
WHO'S GOING TO BE RUNNING THIS COMMUTER RAIL? AMTRAK LINE DOESN'T GO THROUGH HERE.
THE FEC AND THE CSX ARE CONTAINER SHIP TRAINS, NOT COMMUTERS.
MAYBE THIS IS ALL WORKED OUT AND I'M NOT PRIVY TO THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE KING STREET ROAD IS ALREADY VERY BUSY.
THE FOLKS ENTERING FROM DOWNTOWN US 1, WHAT WILL IT DO FOR THEM? WILL THE NEIGHBORHOOD BE PROVIDED WITH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STOPS LIKE STOP SIGNS, SPEED TABLES, CROSSWALKS AND LIGHTING IF NECESSARY? THE SETBACKS, THEY'RE ALL VERY NARROWED TO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES, WHEELCHAIRS, ETC, ON THE SAME SIDEWALK.
BICYCLES GETTING TO THE TROLLEY TO GO INTO DOWNTOWN MIGHT STILL BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM TO BIKE SAFELY.
HAS THE STUDY BEEN ORDERED TO COLLECT THE IMPACT ON WEST ST. AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY? HOW WILL THEY BENEFIT IF THEY WILL EVEN BENEFIT? DO THEY HAVE ANY SAY IN THE MATTER? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS AMY TARMY.
FORGIVE ME IF I'VE MISPRONOUNCED THAT.
WHILE SHE'S COMING FORWARD, IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE A CARD AND PLEASE HAND IT TO ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS. YES, MA'AM.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS AMY TARMY, 320 CYPRESS ROAD.
I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE BROUDY PROJECT.
MY HUSBAND AND I OWN BUENA ONDA CAFE AT 224 WEST KING STREET.
WE ALSO OWN A LOT IN WEST KING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
WE'RE BUILDING A HOUSE ON THAT LOT THIS YEAR SO I'M SPEAKING AS A BUSINESS OWNER AND ALSO A FUTURE RESIDENT.
I SEE THIS PROPOSED PROJECT AS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PART OF THE CITY.
IF YOU DRIVE DOWN WEST KING STREET NOW, IT FEELS FORGOTTEN AND NEGLECTED.
WE DON'T SEE PUBLIC WORKS LANDSCAPING HAPPENING.
I'VE SEEN STREET SWEEPERS DRIVE THROUGH WEST KING STREET, BUT NOT ACTUALLY SWEEPING THE STREET.
WHEN I CROSS THE STREET IN THE CROSSWALK, IN FRONT OF THE CAFE, EVEN THE CITY POLICE WON'T STOP FOR ME.
WEST KING IS TECHNICALLY THE SAME CITY AS DOWNTOWN OR UPTOWN, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS ASTOUNDING.
YOU CANNOT DESCRIBE WEST KING STREET RIGHT NOW AS VIBRANT OR THRIVING.
THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AREA AND I ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO CHANGE THIS.
WE'VE STARTED A MONTHLY COMMUNITY EVENT CALLED WEST KING WEDNESDAY, WHERE BUSINESSES ARE OPENED LATE.
WE HAVE MUSIC, HOST COMMUNITY MAKERS FEATURING, LOCAL ARTISTS AND FILM MAKERS.
SEVERAL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE COUNTY'S EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENT GRANT TO REJUVENATE AND REPAIR OUR BUILDINGS BUT WE NEED MORE HELP.
THIS PROJECT WILL DO EXACTLY THAT.
NOT ONLY WILL IT PROVIDE SOLELY NEEDED PARKING AND HOUSING OPTIONS FOR CITY RESIDENTS, COUNTY RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS, BUT IT WILL TRANSFORM WEST KING.
WE'LL NO LONGER BE A SECTION OF THE CITY THAT'S SPED THROUGH ON YOUR WAY TO AND FROM DOWNTOWN, BUT A DESTINATION IN OUR OWN RIGHT, WITH OUR OWN UNIQUE COMMUNITY FOOTPRINT.
I UNDERSTAND WHY MANY PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
SAINT AUGUSTINE IS CHANGING ALONG WITH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.
ACCORDING TO ONE STATISTIC THAT I READ, IT SAID WE ARE THE EIGHTH FASTEST-GROWING COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY.
THE REALITY OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM MOVING HERE BUT WE CAN DEVELOP WITH FORESIGHT AND VISION IN WAYS THAT ADDRESS THE BIGGEST CONCERNS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER GAS STATION OR CVS OR DOLLAR GENERAL ON US 1.
WE NEED PARKING AND WE NEED HOUSING.
WE ALSO NEED A VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE THE PROJECT ACCOMPLISHES THESE GOALS AND RE-IMAGINES A FLOURISHING FUTURE FOR WEST KING.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT IT AND HOPE YOU TAKE MY COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU. I'VE GOT ONE MORE CARD COMING FORWARD, I BELIEVE.
THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAD LIGHT IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND AFTER MR. LIGHT IS BJ KALEDI.
>> HELLO COMMISSIONERS. YOU ALREAY KNOW ME. [OVERLAPPING]
>> FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T, I LOVE THIS CITY.
I'VE REPRESENTED THIS CITY IN THE 500S AND 450TH.
I'M VERY CONCERNED, OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE HISTORY AND THE AESTHETIC OF THE CITY.
I'LL SPEAK AGAIN TO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 27TH WHEN THERE'S VOTE OR THE 11TH, EXCUSE ME.
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BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS NECESSARY AND WITH REGARDS TO THE AESTHETICS, I'VE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN KING, I'VE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN US 1 AND WITH REGARDS TO THE HEIGHT, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE TYPE OF SKYLINE EFFECT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE REALLY NEED THIS, THAT REALLY BECOMES A SECONDARY THING AND IT'S JUST NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL WHEN IT'S CONSIDERED THE HEIGHT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S SURROUNDING IT.
IS IT GOING TO BE SEEN? YES. IT'S GOING TO DETRACT FROM OUR HISTORIC SKYLINE? IT'S NOT. YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO SEE THIS THING FROM THE BRIDGE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT UNTIL YOU GET TO RIBERIA, AND EVEN THEN BARELY.
IT'S NOT REALLY UNTIL YOU GET TO THE BRIDGE ON KING STREET GOING OVER THE SAN SEBASTIAN, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY VISIBLE IN THIS.
NOW WHEN WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT US 1 NORTH AND SOUTH.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT UNTIL YOU ABOUT A QUARTER MILE COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT FROM THE NORTH UNTIL YOU'RE ABOUT HALF A MILE TO A LITTLE MORE AWAY, POSSIBLY.
I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS IF I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD PROGRAM AND A PROJECT AND I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS IF I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THE AESTHETIC OF THE CITY SKYLINE.
I'LL SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN WHEN WE VOTE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR LAST SPEAKER IS MS. BJ KALEDI.
>> BJ KALEDI WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE ORDINANCE 2004-18 SECTION 1878.
THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE PROHIBITS FIREWORKS WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES.
THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS FOR JULY 4TH ENACTING THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE 2007 REQUIRES THE POLICE TAKING THE FIREWORKS AND DESTROYING THEM, NOT TELLING VIOLATORS TO STOP.
SINCE THERE IS A LACK OF ENFORCEMENT, THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD BE DELETED.
WASTING THE TIME OF TAXPAYERS AND OFFICERS TO ENFORCE.
NINE B2, 25 PERCENT OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE DOES NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH IS A LOSS OF 724 MILLION TAX DOLLARS.
THIS LEAVES THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE WITH 1.4 BILLION B-I-L-L-I-O-N TAX DOLLARS TO CLEAN UP LIGHT.
ALL CITY EMPLOYEES WERE GIVEN 500 TAX DOLLARS BECAUSE OF INFLATION.
THEREFORE, IT'S TIME TO REDUCE AD VALOREM, ALSO KNOWN AS MILLAGE RATE TO 7.0.
SEVEN B1 TAXPAYERS, PLEASE ASK FOR A COPY OF CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA BROUDY PARKING PROJECT TERM PAPER.
THE DEVELOPER WILL NEED TO PURCHASE KING AUTO 194 WEST KING IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A VIBRANT GATEWAY.
DOES ANYONE BELIEVE CASTILLO DRIVE LEADING TO THE DOWNTOWN GARAGE IS A VIBRANT GATEWAY.
THE HISTORIC AREAS CRA $0.5 MILLION BUDGET SHOULD NOT BE USED AT US 1 AND KING STREET SINCE IT IS NOT IN THE HACRA BOUNDARIES.
THE REVAMP OF THE GARDEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LEITNER, ACCORDING TO MS. LOPEZ, AT THE JUNE 16TH, HARD MEETING IS EXCLUSIVE TO THE LEITNER, NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS DEAL WAS FINALIZED IN MARCH 2021 AND "DOESN'T MUDDY WATERS WITH DEFINING HOURS OF OPERATION." THE BOARD OF THE LEITNER IS MADE UP OF MS. THERESA GREG BAKER, DAVID DRYSDALE, A LAWYER BY THE NAME OF PEAK, WHOSE WITH ROGERS AND TOWERS, AND OF COURSE OUR MAYOR, WHICH IS AN ONGOING THING WHOEVER SITS IN THAT SEAT.
DRINKING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY IS PROHIBITED.
IT'S GOOD LISTENING TO EVERYBODY GET UP HERE AND TALK WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN WEST AUGUSTINE.
THE PERSON AT 224 WEST KING WHO HAS A CAFE, THERE'S VIOLATIONS OF OUR CITY CODES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE USE OF A SANDWICH BOARD.
THEY PUT IT ON THE SIDEWALK, BUT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER THE AWNING EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T OWN THE SIDEWALK.
A MILLION DOLLARS FOR 194 WEST KING STREET THE AUTO SHOP WOULD BE A GOOD WAY FOR MR. BROUDY TO GET RID OF THE BLIGHT AND TO GIVE THAT MAN A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A VIBRANT CITY ENTRANCE AT WEST KING AND US 1.
AT THIS POINT, THIS PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF OUR MEETING IS NOW CLOSED.
MR. REAGAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE CONSENT AGENDA?
[5. CONSENT AGENDA]
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WE HAVE A REMINDER OF UPCOMING MEETINGS, JULY 11TH, 2022, 3:00 PM SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING TO DISCUSS THE 2023 BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS, JULY 11TH, 2022, 05:00 PM REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING, JULY 25TH, 2022, 05:00 PM REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM PRIOR COMMISSION MEETINGS.
MAY 23RD, 2022 SPECIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING, MAY 23RD, 2022, REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
WE HAVE THE MAY BUDGET REPORT AND WE HAVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY TO ENTER INTO A COST-SHARING AGREEMENT WITH THE ALPHA-OMEGA MIRACLE HOME FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF SEWER UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. REAGAN.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA?
>> MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. THANK YOU. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[7.A.1. Wiley Page, Atkins Vice President of Transportation Planning will present an overview for the Anastasia Boulevard Complete Street Study completed by the North Florida Transportation Planning Organization. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works)]
A PRESENTATION BY WILEY PAGE FROM MATT ATKINS, VICE PRESIDENT FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, ABOUT THE ANASTASIA BOULEVARD COMPLETE STREETS STUDY.>> EVENING MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT.
MR. PAGE WILL BE UP HERE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION OF A STUDY THAT WAS COMMISSIONED BY THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO.
IT IS FOR ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.
WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS DURING THE HEIGHT OF COVID.
THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO INTRODUCE WILEY PAGE WITH ATKINS, WHO'S THEIR VICE PRESIDENT OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS WILEY PAGE, I'M WITH ATKINS AND I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF NOT ONLY THE ANASTASIA BOULEVARD COMPLETE STUDY THAT WE DID HERE IN THE CITY, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT IT AT THE SAME TIME FOR THE COUNTY SECTION DOWN TO 312.
AGAIN, AS REUBEN SAID, THIS WAS TO LOOK AT CONTEXT-SENSITIVE SOLUTIONS, COMPLETE STREET TYPE CONCEPTS TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL SAFETY OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD, BUT PRIMARILY FOCUSING ON BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, IN PARTICULAR.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IN THE REPORT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S COMPLETE STREET MANUAL.
THAT WAY AS YOU SEEK FUNDING FOR THESE THINGS, IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR ACTIVITIES AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO ATTRACT SOME OF STATE FUNDING TO THESE PROJECTS.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S 20,000 VEHICLES PER DAY ON THIS SECTION OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.
I'M SURE ON SATURDAYS THEY CAN FEEL LIKE A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
IT IS A HIGH CRASH CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE FOOT OF THE BRIDGE.
WE SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE WHEN PEOPLE SLOWING DOWN AND MOVING INTO THE ONE LANE AS THEY COME INTO THE CITY.
WE ALSO SEE WHEN PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE CITY AND GET TO THE FOUR LANES SECTION, THEY TEND TO PICK UP SPEED.
AGAIN, WE SEE A LOT OF CRASHES RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA.
WE LOOKED AT THE TRANSIT SERVICE IN THE AREA.
WE DO HAVE SEVERAL TRANSIT ROUTES IT RUN THROUGH THERE.
WE LOOKED AT ANY PLAN PROJECTS THAT YOU OR THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS LOOKED AT IN THAT [NOISE] AREA AS WELL AS ANY PREVIOUS STUDIES THAT HAD BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AND WHICH YOU HAVE DONE SEVERAL STUDIES IN THAT AREA.
WHAT WE FOCUSED ON WAS WIDER SIDEWALKS, THE ABILITY TO PUT THOSE IN, RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES OF ANY SORT OUT THERE, SO COULD THEY BE ADDED EITHER AS PROTECTED BIKE LANES OR STANDARD BIKE LANES, ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.
I THINK YOU TOLD ME EARLIER TODAY THAT YOU WOULD NOT CROSS THAT PART OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.
WHEN I GET TO THE SURVEY PART, THAT SENTIMENT IS SHARED BY MANY IN THAT AREA.
IT IS DIFFICULT AT BEST ACROSS AND THAT INCLUDES THE CITY SECTION AS WELL AS THE COUNTY SECTION.
WE TRIED TO GET THEIR PULSE FOR REDUCING IT DOWN TO ONE LANE.
THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THEY WERE WILLING TO CONSIDER AT THE TIME, BUT THEY WERE VERY OPEN TO REDUCING THE LANE WIDTH, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.
AS REUBEN SAID, THIS WAS DONE DURING THE HEIGHT OF COVID.
SO WE DID NOT HAVE ITS TYPICAL PUBLIC OUTREACH WITH ANY PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
HOWEVER, REUBEN DID GO TO SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS, SO I WENT TO SOME DOWN AT THE LIGHTHOUSE AS WELL.
THERE WAS SOME LIMITED OUTREACH, BUT OUR MAIN FOCUS WAS A SURVEY.
WE HAD ALMOST 800 PEOPLE COMPLETE A SURVEY WITH THE MAJORITY OF THEM INDICATING THEY LIVE NEAR THE CORRIDOR, MAINLY IN THE DAVIS SHORE AREA.
MOST OF THEM USE IT EVERY DAY.
WE WILL LOOK AT SOME OF THE STATISTICS HERE.
OVER ONE THIRD WIPE WALK OR BIKE ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
THAT INDICATED THEY DO NOT WALK OR BIKE.
THEIR MAIN REASON FOR NOT DOING SO AS THEY DID NOT FEEL SAFE.
MOST PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED AGAIN ALMOST 90 PERCENT DRIVE ON IT AT LEAST ONCE A DAY AS WELL.
EVERYBODY, WE FELT PRETTY REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR TYPICAL USERS AND THEIR EXPERIENCES.
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WE FELT VERY CONFIDENT ABOUT THEIR RESPONSES.WE'D LIKE TO PULL OUT SOME OF THE BETTER RESPONSES, BUT THEY WERE ALL VERY GOOD RESPONSES.
BUT THESE RAN THROUGH ALL OF THE SURVEY'S RESPONSES.
THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT LIGHTING OUT THERE FOR EITHER ON THE ROADWAY OR IN PARTICULAR ON THE SIDEWALKS AND AT THE ONES THAT ANALYZED INTERSECTION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CROSSWALKS FOR PEOPLE TO GET ACROSS THE STREET AT NIGHT.
I LIKE THIS ONE. ANASTASIA BOULEVARD COULD BE AN AMAZING WALKING AND BIKING STREET.
I ENCOURAGE BIKERS, RUNNERS AND PEDESTRIANS COULD CAUSE A LOCAL BOOM.
SO I THINK, OBVIOUSLY WALKING IN ALONG THERE AND VISITING A LOT OF THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE.
WALKING IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET TO THOSE.
SO THAT WAS RUNNING THROUGH WITH ALL OF THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS.
SO WE CAME UP WITH A NUMBER OF SCENARIOS.
I'M JUST GOING TO HIT THE TWO THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT.
THE FIRST SCENARIO WOULD BE NARROWING THE TRAVEL LANES FROM 13.5 FEET DOWN TO 10 FEET.
PSYCHOLOGICALLY, THAT WILL SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
IT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO PUT A FIVE FOOT BICYCLE LANE IN THERE WHILE MAINTAINING AN EIGHT-FOOT PARKING LANE ALONG THERE.
THE PARKING LANE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS THE RESPONDENTS WERE ADAMANT NEEDS TO STAY TALKING TO SOME FOLKS OUT THERE.
THE FEAR IS IF THE PARKING WENT AWAY, MORE PEOPLE WOULD PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND I'M SURE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
THE NICE PART ABOUT THIS, IT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-AWAY.
NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD BE NEEDED AND IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE NEXT TIME THE ROADWAY IS RESURFACED WITH SIMPLE RESTRIPING.
THE SECOND ONE AND HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
YOU CAN SEE ABOUT FOUR-10 FOOT TRAVEL LANES.
WE MAINTAIN THE 13-FOOT MEDIAN, HAVE THE EIGHT-FOOT PARKING LANES, AND THEN YOU HAVE A 5.5 FOOT BICYCLE LANE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAYS.
THE SIDEWALKS NOW ARE CURRENTLY FIVE FEET, SO THOSE WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED.
SO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ROADWAY WOULD NOT CHANGE UNDER THIS SCENARIO.
SO WE LOOKED AT ANOTHER SCENARIO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE, IF YOU WILL, THAT INCLUDED A MULTI-USE PATH ON THE NORTH OR EASTERN SIDE OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.
WOULD HAVE ONE BIKE LANE, AGAIN, THE TRAVEL LANES WOULD BE NARROWED TO 10 FEET, BUT THIS WOULD REQUIRE RECONSTRUCTION OF PORTIONS OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.
SO THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MORE LONG TERM PROJECT.
IT WOULD REQUIRE PROBABLY EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS WHY WE THINK IT WOULD BE LONG-TERM.
BUT THIS IS WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
VERY SIMILAR EXCEPT ON THE NORTH OR EAST SIDE, WE HAVE A 10.5-FOOT SIDEWALK.
WE WOULD LOSE THE BIKE LANE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE PARKING.
BUT AGAIN, THAT 10.5-FOOT MULTI-USE PATH ALONG THAT WAY COULD ACCOMMODATE BOTH BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
POINT OUT FOR ME IF YOU COULD THE 10-FOOT MULTI-LANE PATH.
>> AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS THIS ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A WIDE SIDEWALK. SEE IF I CAN MAKE.
>> THAT HAS BEEN WIDEN. YES SIR. SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT, MID BLOCK CROSSINGS AT ZORAYDA AND THAT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED.
DOT HAS ACTUALLY GOT SOME DESIGN PLANS FOR THAT.
WE LOOKED IN THE AREA OF COMARES.
IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS STUDIES WHICH WE CONCUR WITH THE CONCLUSIONS THERE WOULD BE TO PREFERABLY REALIGN COMARES.
IT'S NOT AT AN ACUTE ANGLE LIKE IT IS NOW.
BUT SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND TO CROSS, SO WE COULD ACCOMMODATE A [NOISE] MID-BLOCK CROSSING SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGES FROM 40-30 MILES AN HOUR THROUGHOUT THIS CORRIDOR AND TALKING WITH DOT THEY ARE AMENABLE TO MAKING A 30 MILES AN HOUR FROM RED COX ALL THE WAY TO THE BRIDGE, AND THEN LIGHTING ENHANCEMENTS ALL ALONG BOTH OF THE SEGMENTS THAT WE LOOKED AT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO INCREASING THE SAFETY, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, IMPROVED CROSSWALKS, AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
AGAIN, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ONE AT COMARES.
EVERYBODY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING AT RED COX AND OLD QUARRY.
OBVIOUSLY A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CONCEPTS WERE FLOATED WITH DOT IN THE CITY AND THIS ONE HAS COME OUT ON TOP.
I WILL STRESS THIS IS A CONCEPT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED YET, BUT THIS IS A ROUNDABOUT THAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED AT THIS LOCATION.
THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT IS IMPACTED IS WHERE YOUR FIRE STATION IS NOW THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO RELOCATE.
ONCE THAT THAT IS SETTLED, THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND DO A DESIGN ON THIS WOULD BEGIN.
THIS COULD ACT AS A GATEWAY FEATURE INTO THE CITY.
IT WILL CERTAINLY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN AS THEY COME AROUND THIS DANGEROUS CURVE, AND AS THEY LEAVE THE CITY AND GO INTO THE COUNTY ON THAT FIVE-LINE SECTION,
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THEN IT TURNS INTO A RACEWAY, MOST TIMES AFTER PEOPLE MAKE THIS TURN, THIS WILL BE MUCH SAFER FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS TO GO THROUGH BOTH ALONG ANASTASIA BOULEVARD AND TO CROSS IT AT THIS LOCATION IS.AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A SKATE PARK AND OTHER RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ON ONE SIDE IN THE INTERESTS TO ANASTASIA STATE PARK.
SO THIS WOULD BE A FANTASTIC IN MY OPINION, A GREAT ENHANCEMENT TO THIS AREA.
IT WOULD INCREASE SAFETY TREMENDOUSLY THROUGH HERE FOR NOT ONLY THE AUTOMOBILE, BUT FOR THE BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS AS WELL.
LET'S SEE. DID I GET THAT? I HOPE THAT WAS OKAY.
SORRY. JUST REAL QUICK ON THE SOUTHERN SECTION.
BUT DOWN TO 312, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THERE, THE COUNTY WANTED TO LOOK AT WAYS TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
SO WE LOOKED AT NARROWING THE LANES NOT QUITE DOWN TO 10 FEET, BUT TO 11 FEET, AND RE-INTRODUCING SOME MEDIAN ISLANDS THAT USED TO HAVE A MEDIAN DOWN IT JUST LIKE IT DOES IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.
PROBABLY NOT FEASIBLE TO RE-INTRODUCE AN ENTIRE MEDIAN, BUT TO HAVE MEDIAN ISLANDS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AT EACH ONE OF THOSE ISLANDS.
THREE TO FOUR OF THOSE ALONG THE CORRIDOR, NARROWING THE LANES.
DOT IS ALSO ALREADY WORKING ON A MULTI-USE PATH ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH AGAIN, IF YOU WENT WITH SCENARIO 2 IN THE FUTURE, THAT CAN LINE UP TO THIS.
WELL, SO YOU'D HAVE A MULTI-USE PATH FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH ALL THE WAY INTO DOWNTOWN ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND MY TIME IS ALMOST UP, SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF YOU GET A CHANCE AND WANT TO LOOK AT THIS REPORT, IT IS ON THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO WEBSITE, WHICH IS NORTHFLORIDATPO.COM UNDER THEIR PLANNING SECTION AND ALL IN FACT ALL OF THE REPORTS THAT I'VE EVER BEEN DONE FOR THE TPO, ARE THERE SEVERAL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THE CITY.
>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS, MR. PAGE?
>> RILEY, YOU SAID WHERE THE COUNTY IS ON THEIR SECTION OF THIS ASSESSMENT AND YOU SAID THAT GENERALLY ARE THEY DEFINITIVELY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RESURFACING AND WHERE IS THAT?
>> ALL OF THIS IS A STATE ROAD, SO THE RESURFACING WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY COORDINATED THROUGH THEM.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE THE COUNTY IS ON WORKING WITH THEM TO PROMOTE ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S BEEN SIX, EIGHT MONTHS SINCE THIS WAS FINISHED AND THEY TOO ARE IN RECEIPT OF THIS AND I HAVE NOT KEPT TABS WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY HAVE MOVED FORWARD.
BUT THE IDEA WAS, FOR BOTH OF THESE SEGMENTS, THAT AS DOT SCHEDULES RESURFACING PROJECTS, IN THIS CASE, YOUR PUBLIC WORKS THROUGH REUBEN AND THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC WORKS WOULD COORDINATE WITH THEM AND TRY TO GET THESE PROJECTS INCLUDED IN AN UPCOMING RESURFACING PROJECT.
>> IT OCCURS TO ME THAT WE WOULD WANT TO WORK IN TANDEM WITH THEM SINCE THEY'VE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN ALSO REDUCING TRAVEL SPEEDS.
>> I'M SURE THEY WOULD WELCOME YOU.
>> OF COURSE THEY HAVE THE AMPHITHEATER TO DEAL WITH THIS WELL WITH ALL THE PEDICABS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE WORKING TOGETHER.
>> I HAVE ONE OBSERVATION, I GUESS IT'S AN OBSERVATION MORE OF A QUESTION.
IT'S ALWAYS CONCERNED ME, THE BICYCLE LANES, THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN THEM AND ETERNITY BUT SIX INCHES OF PAINT TYPICALLY AND WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE DISTRACTED AND TEXTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY OF LOOKING AFTER OUR BICYCLISTS.
I SEE THE PATH ON THE SIDE, THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE BUT REQUIRES MORE WORK.
BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE WORKS FOR A MORE CREATIVE WAY TO PROTECT OUR BICYCLISTS THEN?
>> THERE'S LOTS OF CREATIVE WAYS.
[LAUGHTER] IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO DO.
AGAIN, WE HEARD THAT MAINTAINING THE ON STREET PARKING WAS CRITICAL.
THAT'S EIGHT FEET OF ASPHALT THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
THAT DOESN'T LEAVE A LOT TO WORK WITH, BUT YES, THERE ARE PROTECTED BIKE LANES AND THERE IS A NUMBER OF VERY GOOD WAYS TO PROTECT BICYCLISTS THAT ARE IN THAT LANE.
A LOT OF THOSE ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ON STREET PARKING. THAT'S THE ISSUE.
>> UNLESS YOU PUT IT UP WITH THE SIDEWALKS.
YEAH, YOU'RE REDUCING YOUR LANE TRAVEL LANES DOWN TO 10 FEET, STICKING 5.5 FEET OF BICYCLE LANE AND THERE ALL YOU DID IS REDUCE THE TOLERANCES AS FAR AS HOW MUCH REACTION TIME YOU'VE GOT.
REDUCING THE SPEED WILL HELP, BUT TO ME IT'S JUST A RECIPE FOR CONTINUED CARNAGE, BUT I KNOW IT'S ON YOUR RADAR.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THAT THE FOCUSES YOU'VE SAID OF THE SECOND PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY WAS ON BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
IN PARTICULAR, I'VE DONE A LOT OF BICYCLING ON THAT ROAD AND I'VE STOPPED.
IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING SAFE.
BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS.
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I WANT TO EXPAND ON WHAT COMMISSIONER VALDES HAD SAID TOO.FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE HAVE THE NUMBERS OF HOW MANY CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS HAVE BEEN INJURED AND/OR KILLED IN THAT STRETCH AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO REDUCE THOSE NUMBERS SIGNIFICANTLY AND GET BETTER MOBILITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY BY ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO WALK AND BIKE.
THERE ARE EXAMPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD OF PROTECTED BIKE LANES AND THAT INCLUDES, AND I'VE GOT ONE THAT I PULLED UP IN 30 SECONDS ON GOOGLE, CARS PARKED, THERE'S A LANE OF TRAVEL, THE CARS ARE PARKED ADJACENT TO IT AND THEN THERE'S A BIKE LANE.
THEN THERE'S THE SIDEWALK, SO THE MOVING TRAFFIC DOESN'T COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE BICYCLE LANE.
YEAH, THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE PARKED CARS AND OPENING DOORS, BUT THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH AND I THINK THAT THE IMPACTS ON SAFETY WOULD BE MUCH GREATER BY TRYING TO DO ONE OF THESE PROTECTED LANES.
I DON'T REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF THE MULTI-USE PATHWAY, IT LOOKS LIKE A GLORIFIED SIDEWALK TO ME.
BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY CURB CUTS, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BICYCLES MOVING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AGAINST AND WITH THE TRAFFIC, WHERE THEY ARE NOT SEEN OR PEDESTRIANS FOR THAT MATTER, WHERE THEY ARE NOT SEEN AND THOSE CURB CUTS CUTTING COMING IN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF OUR ACCIDENTS HAVE HAPPENED I'M SURE, I'VE COME AWFULLY CLOSE IN THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER BROUGHT UP ABOUT.
WE MISSED OPPORTUNITIES ON SAN MARCO, WE MISSED OPPORTUNITIES ON US 1, I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND HAVE PROTECTED BIKE LANES WHERE WE CAN.
>> I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS.
I'VE LITERALLY SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE ON ANASTASIA BOULEVARD FROM RIDING MY BICYCLE, DERBY HUNT, TO LIVING IN THE AREA CURRENTLY AND SO I'M WELL FAMILIAR WITH IT AND IT IS I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AT LEAST IS PRECIPITATING MY INTEREST IN THIS, IS THAT ANASTASIA BOULEVARD IS INCREASINGLY BECOMING A VERY VIBRANT AND SUCCESSFUL ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
WE HAVE SOME GREAT RESTAURANTS, OTHER GREAT ACTIVITIES AND INEVITABLY THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE RUNNING THE GAUNTLET FROM ONE SIDE OF ANASTASIA TO THE OTHER.
THE LIGHTER THAT OCCURS IN THE EVENING, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S MORE INHERENTLY DANGEROUS AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT WE CAN AND NEED TO DO TO TRANSITION ANASTASIA INTO A STREET THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU STATED THAT THE STUDY WAS DONE DURING THE HEIGHT OF COVID.
ARE WE IN ANY WAY CONCERNED THAT THE TRAFFIC COUNT WAS IMPACTED BY THE FACT THAT WE DID IT DURING THE PANDEMIC?
>> WE LOOKED AT HISTORIC TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT TOOK THAT ANOMALY OUT.
>> OKAY. SECOND QUESTION IS, WE HAVE, NOT JUST ON ANASTASIA, WE HAVE THEM EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST IN THE CITY BUT ELSEWHERE, THAT FUNNY LITTLE AWKWARD GREEN STRIP OF BAHIA GRASS BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK.
>> TYPICALLY, THAT'S A UTILITY STRIP.
>> WE HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT HAVE PAVED OVER IT, BUT YOU'RE AT RISK TO HAVE IT TEARED UP TO GET TO YOUR UTILITIES.
YOU'D WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S THERE, BUT NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, THERE'S BURIED UTILITIES THERE.
>> OKAY. I REALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLONDER'S COMMENTS AND MR. FRANKLIN AND I'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW AS A BIKE RIDER WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO RIDE ANYMORE.
I THINK AS WE INCREASINGLY USE ELECTRIC BIKES WHICH I THINK ARE ONLY GOING TO BECOME MORE COMMON, I THINK THEY'RE A GREAT SOLUTION TO LOTS OF PROBLEMS, I REALLY THINK WE'RE CONFUSED, I THINK WE'RE REALLY SENDING MIXED MESSAGES ABOUT HOW WE MOVE ON SIDEWALKS, THE PURPOSE OF SIDEWALKS, THE DIRECTION BICYCLIST ARE SUPPOSED TO GO.
BUT I THINK IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND ONE THAT WE AS A CITY, BUT I THINK IT'S LARGE OF COURSE THAN JUST THE CITY, BUT I SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING LANES AS WELL.
BUT YOU'VE GIVEN US GREAT FOOD FOR THOUGHT AND WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE TPO DID PAY FOR THIS STUDY AND THAT IT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, SO THE INPUTS GIVING BACK TO THE CONSULTANT, HE IS THEIR CONSULTANT.
HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WAS GIVEN HERE BY YOU TODAY COULD BE USED IN THE FUTURE AND FUTURE STEPS IN ADDRESSING THE ISSUES.
MY SUSPICION IS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY MAKE MORE PROGRESS QUICKLY ON THE ROUNDABOUT, BECAUSE ALL OF THIS STARTED IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SOLVE THESE CRASHES AND DEATHS IN THAT AREA ON THAT HARD CURVE.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT STEPS UNLESS WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ASK FOR MORE INPUT ON WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE DOT.
IN THE PAST, WE FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO DO CREATIVE SOLUTIONS WITH THE DOT BECAUSE OF THEIR GUIDANCE AND RULES, WHICH IS WE ARE WITH KING STREET BASICALLY.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND I WILL KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
PERHAPS ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO OUT OF THIS, WOULD BE ANOTHER BICYCLE AWARENESS SAFETY STUDY.
IT'S NOT REALLY A STUDY, IT'S A PR PROGRAM, THAT THE TPO PAID FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS 2011 THAT WE DID THAT.
IT WAS BASICALLY JUST TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY WITH WAS OUR POLICE OFFICERS, IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE POLICE.
IT WAS SUPPORTED ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THE TPO HAD DONE A VULNERABLE USER STUDY AND THEY HAD IDENTIFIED A LOT OF VULNERABLE USERS ON KING STREET, SO WE DID AN INTENSE, SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, WENT OUT, WE HAD FLYERS, WE HAD AN AWARENESS CAMPAIGN, WE HAD THE OFFICERS GIVING NOT TICKETS, BUT WARNINGS AND ACTUALLY OUTREACH WITH, HERE'S YOUR BROCHURE AND A T-SHIRT OR SOMETHING TO REMIND YOU, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS IN THIS CITY, WE'RE ALWAYS EDUCATING.
MAYBE THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT WE COULD BRING BACK AND AT LEAST AS A START.
THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU SERVE AS THE CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE TPS?
>> YES, I DO. I SERVE AS THIS, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2009, SO YEAH.
>> JUST A QUICK POINT, A COUPLE OF QUICK AND THEN A QUESTION.
I AGREE THAT EDUCATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT THE DRIVERS AREN'T GETTING EDUCATED AND SO IT DOESN'T HELP IN REDUCING ACCIDENTS WITH PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS, WHICH IS WHY I NO LONGER RIDE ON THE ROAD ANYMORE.
SECONDLY, I GUESS I WOULD ASK MR. FRANKLIN, WE'VE PROVIDED INPUT, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? DO WE SEE THIS AGAIN? THE VICE MAYOR ALLUDED TO THAT, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT TIMELINE WE'RE WORKING ON HERE.
AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, YOU SAW THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN BY THE STATE, THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
PART OF THAT PLAN IS TO START THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN OF THAT SHARED USE PATH.
THEY'RE GOING TO START THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, SO WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS TO BRING BACK ABOUT THAT.
THE SECOND OPTION THAT CAN HAPPEN IS A RESURFACING PROJECT GETS PROGRAMMED IN.
IT'S NOT IN THEIR CURRENT FIVE-YEAR WORK PROGRAM.
BUT ONE DAY ANESTHESIA BOULEVARD IS GOING TO GET RESURFACE THE STATES PRETTY GOOD ABOUT PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL HAVE THIS STUDY TO POINT TO THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'VE SURVEYED, WE'D LIKE BIKE LANES TO BE INCORPORATED, AND FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN JUST BY HEARING THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS TO PUSH FOR SOME PROTECTED BIKE LANES, NOT HAVING THEM INTERFACE WITH THE TRAFFIC LANE.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I KNOW PARKING IN THE CORRIDOR AND ALL THE CORRIDORS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
BUT WHEN THE STATE GOES OUT THERE TO ACTUALLY STRIPE PARKING SPOTS, SAFE, LEGITIMATE PARKING SPOTS, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH PARKING OUT THERE AS YOU WOULD THINK.
THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP FROM THAT, IS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO SEE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WILL GO BACK ON, THERE WILL BE LOTS OF IT.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS, ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE CLEAR SIGHT DISTANCE.
IT WOULD MAKE THE ROADS SAFER.
IT JUST WOULD BE LESS PARKING THAN WHAT PEOPLE GENERALLY THINK IS OUT THERE.
>> VERY GOOD. I WOULD UNDERSCORE.
MR. PAGE, I CONCUR THAT THE INTERSECTION OF CANARIES AND ANASTASIA,
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IT WORKED FOR THE FIRST 30 YEARS, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS JUST SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO HAVE THAT KIND OF ODD CONNECTION. THANK YOU.>> LET ME JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, MEANWHILE I GOT YOU.
AS THINGS SEEMED TO SLIP BY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE DONE, THE RESURFACING OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD IS, I CAN'T SAY IT'S AN EASY OPERATION, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY DIFFICULTY EITHER.
PUTTING THE LINES DOWN, WE COULD INDEED LOOK AT DOING WHAT COMMISSIONER BLONDER HAS SUGGESTED AND I'VE SEEN AS WELL, PLACING THE BIKE LANES BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE PARKING.
I'VE ACTUALLY WRITTEN ON BIKE LANES LIKE THAT AND GOT KNOCKED OFF BUT BE SOMEONE OPENING THEIR DOOR WITH US BETTER GETTING HIT BY A TRUCK.
I'D HATE TO SEE THIS LINK SORT OF SLIP BY.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT'S JUST CHANGED THE PAINT.
>> THE FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD TODAY IS WHEN THIS ROAD COMES UP BEFORE US FOR RESURFACING, WE WOULD ADVOCATE FOR PROTECTED BIKE LANES.
AGAIN, IT'S A STATE ROAD SO WE CAN ADVOCATE FOR IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT THE STATE IS WILLING TO SIGN OFF ON.
BUT THE FEEDBACK I HEARD TODAY WAS GOOD AND AS LONG AS I'M HERE, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT STAFFS ARE AWARE OF THAT.
WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WHEN THE RESURFACING PROJECT IS SCHEDULED.
>> THANK YOU. MS. MAYOR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER BLONDER THROUGH YOU, WOULD YOU FEEL THERE WAS ANY VALUE IN A BICYCLE SAFETY AWARENESS PROGRAM, A REPEAT OF THE PROGRAM IF MOTORISTS WERE INCLUDED IN THE SAFETY PROGRAM?
>> I THINK IT COULDN'T HURT. [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. FRANKLIN.
[7.B.1. Discussion regarding amending the City’s comprehensive plan and zoning code to create new categories for Mobility Oriented Development. (J. Regan, City Manager)]
MR. REAGAN, WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 7 B1, A DISCUSSION OF A NEW ZONING CATEGORY OF MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.>> YES, MS. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE FIRST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO JUST COVER IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
THERE'S CHARLES PAPEZ, WHO VOLUNTEERS ON OUR PCB, HAD SOME VERY WISE COMMENTS ABOUT SLOWING DOWN, THROTTLING BACK AND ALSO MAYBE DECOUPLING WHAT IS THE CITY'S PLANNING ISSUES OF CREATING A ZONING CLASS AND MODIFYING THE COMP PLAN FROM AN ACTUAL APPLICATION FOR THAT ZONING CLASS.
WHAT I WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS GO THROUGH THE DERIVATION OF WE GOT WHERE WE ARE AND THEN GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS A CHANCE TO TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES, ASK THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE SO THAT WE CAN USE THIS DIALOGUE ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
THE FIRST THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK BACK ON OUR VISION, OUR VISION IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT ENHANCING LIVABILITY AND LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE LIVABILITY.
AT THE TOP OF COURSE, IS IMPROVING MOBILITY, BUT ALSO VERY MUCH IN THAT QUADRANT OF THE MATRIX, IS TO ESTABLISH A GREATER SENSE OF PLACE.
I'LL DERIVE HOW MOD ZONING FITS INTO THAT.
WHEN WE UPDATED OUR COMP PLAN, WE INCORPORATED THE VISION AND THE MOBILITY PLAN INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ELEMENT.
FUNDAMENTALLY, THE COMP PLAN SPEAKS TO OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL OUR DESTINY THROUGH GOOD PLANNING EFFORTS.
WE ALSO OF COURSE, HAVE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, AND FUNDAMENTALLY, THE WAY ALL THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER ARE TO DESIGN A CITY THAT IS A COMPACT URBAN FORUM TO ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLINESS.
WE SEE IT IN EVERY PROJECT, IT RUNS IN EVERY PROJECT.
WHAT I SEE IS THAT WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE CITY THAT I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE AND FIGURE OUT THE WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN SO THAT WE CAN BRING BACK WHAT WE SEE AS A LIVABLE CITY.
THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS A PATTERN THAT I THINK IS MASKED BY THE ANNEXATIONS FROM THE 1999, 1998 AND THE EARLY 2000S, WHERE ANNEXATIONS FROM THAT TIME ARE BUILDING OUT A POPULATION IN THE CITY LIMIT THAT IS MAKING IT APPEAR THAT OUR CITY IS GROWING IN POPULATION, BUT IT'S MASKING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE URBAN CORE.
REALLY FOR DECADES, WE'VE HAD WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL A LOSS OF URBAN DENSITY IN THE URBAN CORE.
[NOISE] WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BED AND BREAKFAST THAT USED TO BE AT HOME,
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WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BUSINESS THAT USED TO BE A HOME, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LOSS OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT C BEING DOWNTOWN, WHICH BROUGHT LOCALS DOWNTOWN IN THE URBAN CORE, I THINK THAT WAS ALSO A REALLY BAD PATTERN.BUT THEN OF COURSE, THE MODERN ERA WITH THE PROLIFERATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAS CAUSED THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT IS LOSING THE URBAN DENSITY, THAT COMBINED WITH OTHER MARKET FORCES OF BIG BOXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES IS A LOSS OF THAT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT IS A LIVABLE FEATURE OF A CITY FOR OUR RESIDENT.
THAT IS THE LOSS OF PHARMACIES, OF HARDWARE STORES, OF BAKERIES, OF DRY CLEANERS, OF PRODUCE STORES, HAVING YOUR MEDICAL OFFICES IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THOSE ELEMENTS AS A SOCIETY HAVE STARTED TO LEAVE THE URBAN CORE AND NOW WE HAVE TO DRIVE AND THAT EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM.
IT LEAVES BEHIND LAND IN THE URBAN CORE THAT THE LANDOWNERS ARE REALLY DRIVEN TO WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FROM A FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW, DOING EXACTLY WHAT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS TALKED ABOUT, MAXIMIZING RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS COMMERCIAL USE.
WE SEE THIS EVOLUTION OF HOTELS.
WE SEE PROJECTS WHERE THE DEVELOPERS, EVEN DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING RESIDENTIAL UNITS BECAUSE THAT ISN'T THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
HERE WE ARE WITH A MOBILITY PLAN THAT SPEAKS TO SATELLITE PARKING AND FUNDAMENTALLY EMBEDDED IN THE PLAN SPEAKS TO MULTI-MODAL DEVELOPMENT AND MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, I'M GOING TO USE IT INTERCHANGEABLY WITH THE TERM TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
FOR THE PUBLIC, IF YOU WANT TO GOOGLE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ALL THE SAME PRINCIPLES AT WORK.
BUT BECAUSE WE REFERRED TO OUR PLAN AS MOBILITY, WE ARE CALLING THE ZONING CLASS PROPOSAL AS MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DEFINE WHAT THAT IS.
MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS DEFINED AS A WALKABLE, COMPACT, MIXED USE, HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF TRANSIT FACILITIES.
MOD GENERALLY PROVIDES A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES AND IS DESIGNED TO MAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT SUCCESSFUL, ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE OF WALKING AND BICYCLING AND PROVIDING FOR A VIBRANT, LIVABLE COMMUNITY.
THE HIGHEST TYPOLOGY DEFINITIONS.
LET ME DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS.
YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE FORMS OF MOD ZONING.
IN FACT, IN A MINUTE, I'LL COVER THE FIVE CATEGORIES THAT JACKSONVILLE IS MOVING FORWARD WITH, MOBILITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ZONING.
WITHIN THAT CLASS, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF IT, THE HEIGHT AND THE DENSITY STANDARDS, WE CALL THE TOPOLOGY OF IT.
FUNDAMENTALLY, THE HIGHEST TYPOLOGY DESIGNATIONS IN TERMS OF DENSITIES, SHOULD GENERALLY BE LOCATED CLOSEST TO COMMUTER RAIL TO RAIL IN ORDER TO DECREASE THE SPRAWL AND PROMOTE COMPACTNESS.
THE USE OF THE MOD TO CONNECT RAIL TO THE DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE THROUGH TRANSIT AND WORKABILITY IS A FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT OF THE MOD ZONING.
[NOISE] WHY IS THIS SO IMPORTANT NOW? WE HAVE IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS OF SATELLITE PARKING, HINGING ON GETTING VISITORS TO PARK AT SATELLITE LOCATIONS.
BUT IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A TRUE MIXED INFILL URBAN DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF A COUPLE OF FORCES THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER FOR THE COMMUNITY, GOOD AND BAD, AND CERTAINLY PROVIDING OPPORTUNITY.
THE FIRST IS THAT I-95 IS A SLOW-MOVING CRISIS.
THE REASON IS THAT IT'S REALLY A CAPACITY AND THERE'S A PLAN THAT THE DOT IS FORMULATING TO EXPAND BY ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION FROM WORLD GOLF VILLAGE THROUGH DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.
AFTER THAT EXPANSION, THERE IS NO MORE RIGHT AWAY TO EXPAND I-95.
THE EXPANSION COULD ARGUABLY TAKE A DECADE AND ARGUABLY A COUPLE OF BILLION DOLLARS OR MORE AND WHEN IT IS COMPLETE, IT WILL BE AT CAPACITY.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY HAS STEPPED FORWARD AND SAW CERTAIN MOONS AND STARS ALIGNING IN THE POTENTIAL FOR REALLY BUILDING COMMUTER RAIL WITH FEC AND THEIR SUBSIDIARY CALLED BRIGHTLINE TO AFFECT COMMUTER RAIL.
SO THEY'VE TAKEN A LEADERSHIP POSITION IN THE PLANNING
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IN CONCERT WITH THE DOT TO BUILD COMMUTER RAIL.THEY'VE GONE UP AND DOWN AND SERENDIPITOUSLY GAVE US A CALL AND CAME DOWN AND SAID, WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR LONG-TERM PLANNING AND VISION AND WHERE WE ARE IN ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMUTER RAIL.
THEY IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE ONLY REALLY TWO PROPERTIES THAT COULD REALISTICALLY BE A COMMUTER RAIL BECAUSE FROM A TRAIN STATION DESIGN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STRAIGHT SECTION OF TRACK AND GENERALLY, 1,300 FEET IN THAT RANGE IS LIKE A MINIMUM AMOUNT AND SO THAT LEAVES YOU WITH TWO PROPERTIES; ONE, THE BARRY BROUDY PROPERTY AND ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNED BY FEC UP BEHIND THE WENDY'S.
THEY STARTED TALKING TO US, WE PUT THEM IN TOUCH WITH BARRY BROUDY.
IN THE MEANTIME, ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN ARE COMING TO FRUITION.
I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT OUR STAFF AND THE COMMISSION TO SEE THE VISION OF TAKING OVER KING STREET TO BUILD A PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY CORRIDOR, TO MAKE IT A BEAUTIFUL STREET, AND BEING ABLE TO USE IT WHERE WE CAN HAVE DEDICATED SHUTTLING AND THE FEATURES THAT WE WANT TO BE THE CITY OF THE FUTURE.
LATER TONIGHT, YOU'LL BE APPROVING THE FIRST DRAWDOWN GRANT ASSOCIATED WITH A MILLION DOLLARS FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT OF THE DOT TO ACTUALLY BUILD PUBLIC TRANSIT.
IN THIS CASE, THAT FIRST LOOP THAT YOU'LL DISCUSS LATER TONIGHT IS THE DOWNTOWN CIRCULATOR.
THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME PRIVATE SECTOR BUY-IN WITH BARRY BROUDY IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE VISION AND UNDERSTANDING THE NEED TO BRING BACK A RESIDENTIAL ZONING CLASS AND FINDING A WAY TO ENCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITHIN THE URBAN CORE IF YOU WILL.
WE WERE WORKING ON THIS QUITE A BIT IN EARNEST PRIOR TO COVID BUT COVID REALLY MADE THIS PROJECT TAKE A, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, BACKSEAT.
TALKING ABOUT MOBILITY, THAT WAS ALSO NOT UPON EITHER.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS AT THAT POINT, JTA HAS A FIRM AND THEIR ACRONYM IS WSP.
THEY'RE VERY LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN, PLANNING, CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT IS OUR SPECIALIST IN ZONING OF MOD ZONING, CONSTRUCTION, AND DESIGN.
THEY'VE BEEN RETAINED BY JEA TO HELP WITH ALL THE MOD ZONING, TOD ZONING THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN JACKSONVILLE, AND ALSO CAME AND HAD TO BASICALLY PROVIDE AN EXERCISE TO SUPPORT WHAT COULD REALLY DEMONSTRATE A PLAN OF VIABILITY TO THE FEDERAL RAIL ADMINISTRATION.
THEY CAME DOWN AND THEY SPENT TWO DAYS WITH US EXPLAINING HOW THIS WORKS, WHAT'S NEEDED, AND REALLY TOLD US WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW WHICH IS THAT IN MOD ZONING, YOU HAVE TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL DENSITY CREDITS IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK ON THE DESIGN THEORY OF TRANSPORTATION, AND ALSO TO BE COGNIZANT THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH A PROJECT THAT HAS A HIGH USE VALUE IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWING A DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PROFORMA THAT IS COMPETITIVE TO OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WITH BARRY BROUDY FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS OR 12 YEARS.
IT STARTED AT A SPANISH WINE FESTIVAL OF EXPLAINING THE VISION OF THE CITY AND THESE THINGS.
HE'S BEEN OFFERED BUYOUTS FROM HOTELS, FROM THE GEORGIA AQUARIUM, FROM WAWA GAS STATIONS, AND ON AND ON BUT HE HAS HELD THE COURSE OF LOOKING AND WANTING TO EXPLORE THIS MOD ZONING TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AND PUT US IN A POSITION WITH A TRAIN PROGRAM.
WHAT THE FIRM, WSP REALLY OUTLINED WAS THAT YOU PROBABLY SHOULD EVEN TRY TO GET THE DENSITY HIGHER AND WE WERE LIKE, MAN, THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING GREATER THAN 75 FEET.
THAT WAS LIKE A MAXIMUM CAP THAT WE PUT ON IT AND REALLY DOWN THE LINE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT WHEN BARRY COMES FORWARD AS AN APPLICANT IN THE FUTURE, YOU CAN GET INTO WHAT THAT MEANS FROM A DEVELOPMENT POINT OF VIEW.
BUT IN APARTMENT CONSTRUCTION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CRITICAL MASS THAT WORKS BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN ECONOMY OF SCALE IN THE CONSTRUCTION, AND ALSO WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT WORTH IT AND COMPETITIVE.
IF THIS WAS ALL ABOUT MONEY, MR. BROUDY PROBABLY COULD HAVE SOLD HIS PROPERTY A LONG TIME AGO. WELL, I KNOW HE COULD HAVE.
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I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT MOD ZONING.THEN WHAT WSP SAID IS, LET'S LOOK AT YOUR CITY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT EXIST.
THE TALLER ELEMENTS, THEY'RE SPORADIC, THEY'RE SPREAD OUT IN OTHER AREAS THERE, OTHER THAN THE BANK BUILDING AND FLAGLER COLLEGE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY IN THE WHAT YOU CALL THE HISTORIC SKYLINE THEY EXIST, BUT YOU WANT TO STAY IN CONTEXT OF THE CITY SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE IDEA WAS SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE HIGHER, BUT WHAT BUFFERS IT? IT'S OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US ONE, IT'S GOT A LOT OF NATURAL BUFFING WITH MARSH AND SPACE, AND GOOD ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING SHOULD MAKE SOMETHING THAT IS VERY CREATIVE WITH THE USE OF [INAUDIBLE] ARCHITECTS.
REALLY, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, VARIETY OF HEIGHT, NUANCES IN DESIGN MAKES GREAT PUBLIC SPACE AND IS VISUALLY INTERESTING.
SO YES, IT DOES PUSH THE TOLERANCE OF 75 VERSE ANYTHING ELSE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN EVERY CATEGORY THAT ARE HERE, AMY AND DAVID ARE HERE AND REUBEN TO ADDRESS PLANNING THEORY, MOBILITY THEORY, MYSELF, AND WE ALSO HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE, RICHARD CLARKE, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION REGARDING TRAINS IS AVAILABLE AS WELL.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND WE CAN BEGIN THE CONVERSATION.
>> COMMISSIONS, YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE CITY MANAGER WHO'S TRYING TO WORK TO SET UP A RATIONALE FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHY THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT COULD OR ARGUABLY IS BENEFICIAL TO US.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, OF COURSE, WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS AT A 6,000-FOOT LEVEL AND NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSSING THE DETAILS OF MR. BROUDY'S PROPOSALS, THOSE WILL COME AT A LATER DATE WHEN THERE'LL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND A MORE THOROUGH DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT THE PARTICULARS.
BUT YOU'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATION BY THE CITY MANAGER AND ARE THERE COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS? YES.
>> I THINK THIS THING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE WHOLE THING, AS IN THE PRESENT FORM THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US HINGES ON COMMUTER RAIL AND THAT IS A PROJECT OF THE JTA BUT WELL FAR BEYOND OUR CONTROL, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO RICHARD CLARKE, WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT ARE THE PLANS? [OVERLAPPING]
>> MR. CLARKE, WELCOME. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR LIKE SPECIFICALLY DATES.
>> I'M RICHARD CLARKE. I'M WITH JTA, THROUGH THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONER.
I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IT ISN'T JUST JTA WITH COMMUTER RAIL, THAT BRIGHTLINE ALSO HAS FUTURE INTENT OF RUNNING PASSENGER RAIL FROM ORLANDO THROUGH JACKSONVILLE AS WELL.
IT ISN'T JUST US PUSHING, WHICH IS THE GOOD NEWS.
WE LITERALLY, ON THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK, HAD THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR FROM FRA, THE FEDERAL RAIL ADMINISTRATION, IN OUR OFFICES GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO AND HOW WE GET THERE.
THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO US WAS THE SLOWDOWN.
NOT THE REASON FOR THE SLOWDOWN, BUT THE IDEA OF THE SLOWDOWN, BECAUSE IT ALLOWED US TO CATCH UP WITH FDOT.
THEIR TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC WILL ADD CAPACITY.
THEY'VE ROUGHLY SIX THOUSAND CARS, THREE UP AND THREE DOWN.
THAT'S THE CAPACITY YOU GET AT RUSH HOUR.
OUR COMMUTER RAIL SOLUTION DOES LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME THING IN ITS INFANCY, SO YOU'RE LITERALLY ADDING, INSTEAD OF TWO LANES, FOUR.
BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE CAN EXPAND, AND YOU SIMPLY EXPAND BY CARS.
WE HAVE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH USDOT AND FDOT, FEC AND BRIGHTLINE ARE CURRENTLY THEIR LAST.
THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, WHY DON'T WE ALL THREE PARTNER TOGETHER ON WHAT'S CALLED A RAISE GRANT, FORMALLY TIGER, FORMALLY IT'S AN FTA GRANT,
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TO DO A PD&E STUDY, PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO.IT'LL GET YOU TO 30 PERCENT DESIGN, WHICH IS WHERE WE GET A REAL NUMBER.
I'M SAYING THE REAL NUMBER IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE NORTH OF 600 MILLION SIMPLY BECAUSE OF OUR PEER GROUP SUNRAIL, TRI-RAIL, WE'VE TALKED OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMMUTER RAIL ENTITIES, HAVE ALL SAID THE SAME THING.
IF YOU CAN BUILD THE RAIL, IF YOU CAN DEDICATE AS MUCH OF THAT RAIL AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO YOUR SERVICE, DO IT UPFRONT.
WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY UPFRONT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I WOULD TELL YOU OUR TIMING RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE US 12-18 MONTHS TO GET THROUGH PD&E, WHICH WILL GET US TO A 30 PERCENT NUMBER.
THAT 30 PERCENT DESIGN WILL GET US TO A NUMBER OF PERCENTAGE POINTS TO A REAL CONSTRUCTION COST, OPERATING COSTS THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
THEN CONSTRUCTION IS THE EASY PART, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
IT'S THE QUICKEST PART AND SIMPLEST PART.
LAYING TRACK IS A LESS THAN 12-MONTH PROCESS.
WE COULD HAVE EVERYTHING IN A PERFECT WORLD.
YOU COULD HAVE AN OPERATING TRAIN IN THREE YEARS. IT'S FAST.
IT'S GETTING IT IN THE PRESIDENT'S BUDGET.
THE CAG SYSTEM IS ALWAYS THE PRESIDENT'S BUDGET, WHOEVER IS PRESIDENT.
THE HARDEST PART OF THE ENTIRE EXERCISE IS DUVAL COUNTY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDING WE ALL HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT IS.
WE SEE ABOUT 40 THOUSAND PEOPLE EVERY DAY GOING NORTH INTO DUVAL COUNTY, WHEN EVERYBODY FORGETS, IS THERE'S ANOTHER 15 THOUSAND COMING SOUTH INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY JUST TO GO TO WORK, NOT WHERE THEY LIVE.
ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS NUMBER TWO IN THE COUNTRY FOR COVID-RELATED MOVES, NOCATEE WAS THE NUMBER ONE PLACE IN FLORIDA TO MOVE TO, ALL COVID-RELATED MOVES.
WE'RE NOT THIS HIDDEN LITTLE GYM ANYMORE, SO WE NEED TO GET WAY AHEAD OF WHAT TRAFFIC IS COMING OUR WAY, AND THE MOST PROFOUND IMPACT WE CAN MAKE IS COMMUTER RAIL. I'M SORRY? THREE YEARS.
WOULD BE ABSOLUTE. EVERYTHING IS GOOD.
THAT IS INCLUDING FEC, THAT'S 600 MILLION ON THE TABLE, EVERYTHING, ALL SYSTEMS GO? RIGHT.
BECAUSE I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT BRINGING BRIGHTLINE IN, AND I KNOW THEY'RE YEARS AND YEARS AWAY OF GOING FROM.
RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING THEY ARE A DRIVING FORCE BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR NORTHERN TERMINUS, AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE COULD FIX THEIR NORTHERN TERMINUS ALLOWS THEM AN EASIER ROUTE TO COME HERE.
THE QUESTION THAT THEY BOTH HAVE IS, AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS EXERCISE WITH FEC, DOES THE FREIGHTRAIL HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY IN ORDER FOR US TO PUT PASSENGER? THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY. HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT? THEY HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR FOUR LANES OF TRACK.
MOST OF IT IS ONE OR DOUBLE, WHICH GIVES US AN ENORMOUS LEG UP, AND THE FRA ADMINISTRATOR WAS FLOORED THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY PROBLEMS BECAUSE THAT IS THE PROBLEM EVERYBODY HAS, IS RIGHT-OF-AWAY.
WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT'S AN ACT OF FREIGHT RAIL.
THE COMMUTER RAIL REALLY IS THE IDEA THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM JTA FOR MANY YEARS OF COMMUTER RAIL TALK, WHICH FOLLOWED INTERCITY PASSENGER RAIL TALK WITH AMTRAK ON THAT BUSY LINE ALONG THE EAST COAST AND GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO PROBABLY 2008, '9 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAS JTA CHANGED THE OUTCOME? ARE THEY TRYING TO DO INTERCITY PASSENGER RAIL, OR ARE THEY STILL DOING COMMUTER RAIL? I GUESS MAYBE I'M MORE CONFUSED THAN EVER ON WHAT THE PLAN IS? OKAY.
WHEN WE DID THE MULTIMODAL STUDY, I ALWAYS GOT THE IDEA THAT THE COMMUTER OF THIS MULTIMODAL STATION, WHICH WAS THE BROUDY.
THAT'S A LONG STORY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE PUBLIC HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE LISTENING.
BUT THERE WAS A STUDY DONE TO DETERMINE WHAT WERE THESE SITING, WHAT WE'RE GOOD LOCATIONS FOR MULTIMODAL CENTERS,
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AND THEY NEVER REALLY RECOMMENDED SIDES, BUT THEY GAVE US THIS SIDE, THE ROWDY SIDE ALONG WITH THE FEC STATION, THE CURRENT PASS STATION SOUTH OF WENDY'S ON US1 AS WELL AS THE AIRPORT.I'M SORRY. BUT THAT WAS AN ENDPOINT.
NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE BRINGING A MAN FROM TAMPA, JACKSON, TAMPA.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING CONFUSED.
OKAY, SO COMMUTER RAIL ONLY. HNTB.
HNTB. IT'S ALL NUMBERS-DRIVEN.
IT WAS PURE HAPPENSTANCE THAT THERE WAS TO BE SOME PROPERTY HERE, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
HNTB, WHO IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR FEC, CAME IN AND RAN NUMBERS.
ITS POPULATION, WHERE PEOPLE GO, WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WHERE PEOPLE WORK.
THERE WERE FOUR LOCATIONS THAT THEY RECOMMEND IF YOU START YOUR COMMUTER RAIL, THIS IS WHERE YOU GO.
ST. AUGUSTINE, KING IN US1, YOU START RACE TRACK WHERE IT'S MAIN AND MAIN OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY GROWTH AND ARMSDALE, WHERE WE ALREADY BUILT AND PLANNED AT SOUTHSIDE BOULEVARD, THE NEWEST ONE, AND DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.
THERE ARE OTHERS, LIKE THE AIRPORT, THAT'S ON THE LIST.
UP UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I WASN'T LEGALLY EVEN ALLOWED TO HAVE TO STOP THERE BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAID YOU CAN'T HAVE A STOP AT AN AIRPORT UNLESS IT'S A TERMINUS.
NOW I CAN, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THE FUTURE.
BUT WHAT THE NUMBERS BEAR OUT IS, THIS IS THE BEST PLACE TO STOP. WE LOOKED AT IT.
WE AGREE ON THAT. IT IS DEFINITELY THE BEST PLACE, BUT [INAUDIBLE].
WE'VE DONE OUR ORIGINAL HOMEWORK.
WE HAVE TO NOW SPEND REAL MONEY, I'VE ALREADY SPENT 1.5 MILLION, I'VE GOT ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE STUDYING MOD TOD SITES FROM JACKSONVILLE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS BEST.
HOW YOU DO IT, WHY YOU DO IT, WHERE YOU SHOULD DO IT, WHAT FITS? WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING REAL MONEY, THE PD&E STUDY IS PROBABLY GOING TO COST BETWEEN 15 AND 20 MILLION, AND WE'RE COMMITTED.
OUR JOB IS TO WORK WITH YOU, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HERE AND UP THE COAST, MAKE SURE THAT LOTS AND LOTS OF PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH IS HALF OF OUR MONEY SPENT, IS ON PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
I WOULD TELL YOU, LIKE I SAID, IF EVERYTHING WENT PERFECT, IT'D BE THREE YEARS.
I WOULD TELL YOU, BEING REALISTIC IN A RANGE, IN THE NEXT 3-5 YEARS, I EXPECT TO SEE TRAINS RUNNING.
I CAN SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WSP DID TO GIVE YOU SOME SCALE THAT THEY DID ON THAT SITE IF YOU WANT IT. NOT, NOT A BIG DEAL.
DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OR ANYTHING, THEY JUST DID THEIR OWN SCALE IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A FORMAL COMMUTER RAILS DISCUSSION, WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT.
OKAY. I WANT TO STAY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS JUST A MINUTE.
COMMISSIONER VALDES, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK AT THIS JUNCTURE, COMMISSIONER BLONDER.
I GUESS I PROBABLY HAVE A NUMBER OF THOUGHTS.
I'VE BEEN AWARE OF THIS IDEA, THIS MOD IDEA AND MR. BROUDY'S PROPOSAL AS WELL, AND I SEE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLIC BENEFIT IN THIS ZONING DESIGNATION.
SUSTAINABILITY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO ME.
THERE ARE THE MOBILITY CHALLENGES, GETTING MORE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS PARKED WANTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I WENT UP TO THE AIRPORT IN JACKSONVILLE ON I95, AGAIN, WEEK-AND-A-HALF AGO AND THAT IS A HEINOUS UNDERTAKING.
I'D MUCH RATHER GET ON A TRAIN ON KING STREET AND SLEEP THE WHOLE WAY UP AND SLEEP THE WHOLE WAY BACK THEN DODGE ALL THE ACCIDENTS.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE JUST IN THAT REGARD FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND WANT TO VISIT.
IT'S ESSENTIAL FOR US TO GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT IN ANY COMP-PLANNED AMENDMENT AND ANY ZONING CODE CREATION.
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ABSOLUTE CONTROL AND WE HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY FOR FAILURE TOO IF WE DON'T GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT, BUT I THINK OUR STAFF IS DARN GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT CHALLENGE.WE'VE GOT TO LOCK IN THE LANGUAGE RIGHT.
IF WE HAVE THESE MODS AND WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE PROHIBIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THAT ZONING DESIGNATION, CAN'T WE? WE CAN'T. [LAUGHTER] BUT WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE EXCLUDE GAS STATIONS OR HOTELS.
RIGHT THERE, IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT HIGH DENSITY, THEY ARE LIVING THERE.
THEY'RE NOT SWITCHING OVER EVERY NIGHT OR EVERY OTHER NIGHT AND GENERATING MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC.
I SEE A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THIS TYPE OF ZONING CODE CREATION.
WE COULD ALSO HAVE MORE RETAIL LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
WEST AUGUSTINE IS A FOOD DESERT AND I'M NOT PROUD OF THAT AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL IN WEST AUGUSTINE, IT'S BEEN IGNORED, IT'S BEEN REDLINED, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REASONS.
BUT WITH HIGHER DENSITY, YOU GENERATE HIGHER DEMAND.
I REMEMBER BEING ABLE TO WALK TO THE CVS ON SAN MARCO AND PICK UP MY PRESCRIPTIONS.
I REMEMBER BEING ABLE TO GO TO HAMLIN'S HARDWARE STORE AND THE SHORT 20 YEARS WE'VE LIVED HERE TO RUN OUT AND GET WHATEVER WE NEEDED AND THOSE ARE NOT OPTIONS FOR US ANYMORE.
MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, IN HIGH-DENSITY URBAN AREA IS GOING TO GENERATE MORE RETAIL TO SERVE THOSE NEEDS AND THOSE SERVICES.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TIMING WITH REGARD TO MR. [INAUDIBLE] BUILDING AND THE FUNDING EVAPORATES OR SOME OTHER THING HAPPENS WITH THE JTA AND THE REAL IDEA GOES AWAY FOR AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.
I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK I'VE SAID ENOUGH AT THIS POINT.
>> WELL, I DO THINK THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT WITHOUT RAIL.
EVERYTHING POINTS EVENTUALLY TO RAIL.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF IT'S WHEN.
BUT THE PROJECT AT THAT LOCATION IS STILL A GOOD PROJECT WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR ZONING CLASS AND ITS LOCATION.
BUT AS WE EVOLVE AND WE HAVE OTHER DESIRES TO MAKE OTHER MOD ZONING CLASSES, WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE, WE WOULD HAVE STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE IN CONTEXTS WITH THAT AREA.
FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING AT THE BEACH OR SOMETHING TO THE NORTH OR SOMETHING TO THE SOUTH, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THE SAME DENSITY AND HEIGHT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT RAIL FOR A LONG TIME AND I'M VERY HOPEFUL AND I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING AGAIN TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
MR. CLARKE IN THE JTA HAVE A VALID, GOOD PLAN, BUT ALSO THINK OF IT FROM THE POINT IF THE RAIL DOESN'T HAPPEN.
BUT WE'LL BE IN POSITION IF IT DOES.
IT'S A GOOD PROJECT WITH OR WITHOUT THE RAIL.
>> THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> THE TOPIC OF A RAIL, I DON'T THINK IS A CASE OF IT NOT HAPPENING, IT'S JUST A CASE OF WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S INEVITABLE.
AS THIS AREA CONTINUES TO GROW, THE ROAD CAPACITY IS NOT GOING TO TAKE IT AND LIGHT RAIL IS THE DIRECTION, IT'S INEVITABLE, I WOULD THINK SO.
BUT IT'S IRONIC THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE CREATED MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS WE HEAR IN THE CITY ABOUT TRAFFIC AND LOTS OF PEOPLE IN ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WHICH WERE THRUST ON US FROM OUTSIDE, IRONY OF IT IS YOU CAN DEVELOP A GOOD DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ACTUALLY ADDRESS AND PRESENT WAYS OF SOLVING SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. IT JUST REINFORCES THAT IDEA THEY ARE GOOD DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL FIT AND SOLVE A PROBLEM AND I THINK THIS TYPE OF [INAUDIBLE] COULD.
>> YES, VICE MAYOR SIKES-KLINE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS NOW. SO THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMMUTER RAIL TIMELINE.
I THINK WE GET A LITTLE MIXED UP TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT WHICH WAS PROPOSED AND PUT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AT THE SAME TIME AS THE COMP PLAN CHANGE AND THE CREATION OF THE CODE ITSELF.
THAT'S SITTING ON THE TABLE WAITING FOR US, SO IT'S ALREADY GONE.
I GUESS WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.
IT COMES TO US ON FIRST READING.
>> CORRECT. WHICH WE ARE NOT DOING RIGHT NOW.
>> WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, AND THE COMP PLAN CHANGE.
I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT AND MIXING IT ALL IN THERE.
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WHAT I HEAR MOSTLY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I'VE BEEN LISTENING VERY CAREFULLY IS TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE WEST AUGUSTINE.I HEAR CONCERNS ABOUT UPZONING AND OVERLY INTENSE DENSITY.
DENSITY IS GOOD. WE NEED DENSITY.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DENSITY IF IT'S GOING TO GET US TO TRANSIT, SO FINE.
BUT HOW MUCH IS REALLY NEEDED? WHAT I HEAR IS THE HEIGHT IS TOO HIGH, 50 UNITS IN ACRE IS TOO MUCH COVERAGE.
WHERE I FALL WITH IT IS HEIGHT IN DENSITY AND 75 FEET IS INCREDIBLY TALL FOR A VERY SMALL, HOW MANY ACRES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
THAT'S 200 UNITS, FIFTY UNITS AN ACRE.
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE FOR US TO GET INTO A DETAILED CONVERSATION ABOUT A PROPOSAL THAT IS NOT BEFORE US THIS EVENING.
>> BUT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO TALK ABOUT A ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT ALLOWS 75 FEET AND 50 UNITS PER ACRE AND YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO GET MAXED OUT.
WHATEVER UPPER LIMIT YOU GIVE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AND PUSH IT BEYOND, BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR JOB, THAT'S WHAT DEVELOPERS DO.
FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THIS IS NOT OKAY WITH OUR COMMUNITY, THIS MUCH.
IN MY MIND, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED IS WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
>> I HEARD AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT.
I'VE ALSO GOTTEN EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I'VE HAD PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEY LIVE IN THE COUNTY.
THEY ARE SAYING, WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS HEIGHT LIMITATION AND IT'S ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.
AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ZONING CREATION, YOU REMINDED US OF THAT AND NOT OF A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS ZONE CREATED, I'D LIKE TO SEE AN MOD FOR ALL THE REASONS I'VE LISTED.
>> THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT AN MOD THAT HAS 75 FEET MAX ALLOWABLE AND 50 UNITS PER ACRE? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
IS THAT WHAT WE THINK IS OKAY FOR OUR COMMUNITY? IS THAT WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS IS OKAY? [OVERLAPPING]
>> AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING A FINAL DECISION TODAY, BUT THE COMMUNITY, AS REPRESENTED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR AND WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE AS WELL AS AN INCREDIBLY DIVERSE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
AS IN A REAL SENSE, REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO SPENT MANY HOURS, THEY HAVE COME OUT STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF BOTH THE REZONING AS WELL AS THIS PROJECT.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO RELY UPON IS, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT IS MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION TO US AS WELL.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY OPEN TO WHAT THE RATIONALE IS.
THESE ARE NOT RANDOM NUMBERS THAT HAVE FEEL RIGHT.
WE DO HAVE A RATIONALE FOR THEM AND I EXPECT TO HEAR FROM STAFF AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
>> YOU'RE OKAY. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.
>> IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE AT OR NEAR THAT 75 HEIGHT LIMIT THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN CITY LIMITS?
>> YES, I CAN. THE TOP OF THE TRIP, FOR EXAMPLE, IS 67, 68 FEET.
THE BANK BUILDING IS 100 FEET AND A 120 WITH THE TOWER.
>> YOU MEAN THE OLD EXCHANGE BANK BUILDING DOWNTOWN?
>> THE ONE THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT BEING TURNED INTO A HOTEL.
>> JUST SO THE COMMUNITY KNOWS.
>> SURE. THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH,
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THE DOME WHERE YOU SEE THE COPPER BEGIN IS 85 FEET.SEVENTY FIVE WOULD BE LOOK AT THAT AND THINK 10 BELOW.
OH, NAN THE FEC BUILDING IS IN THAT 60 RANGE.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I LEFT MY NOTES UPSTAIRS.
>> HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU THEN.
THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE MOD PROPERTY IN QUESTION AT KING STREET IN US 1, IS IT THE SAME ZONING AS THE TRIP HOTEL CURRENTLY?
>> NO, THE TRIP I BELIEVE, I THINK THAT WAS DONE IN A PUD.
>> I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR STOREYS.
THE HEIGHT THAT YOU'RE GIVING IS THE.
>> I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR STOREYS.
>> IT'S A HOTEL AND IT GENERATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I WASN'T ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS WERE FOR THAT PUD.
BUT I WOULD ARGUE AGAIN THAT THIS MOD IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND WE CAN DISCUSS THE DETAILS AND THE HEIGHTS, BUT WE DO HAVE EXAMPLES.
WE DO HAVE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE AT OR ABOVE THAT HEIGHT OR NEAR THAT HEIGHT.
>> I FOUND MY NOTE, THE FEC IS 60 WITH ADDED DETAIL IT TAKES IT TO 70.
>> LET ME GET TO THIS. I WAS VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH SEBASTIAN HARBOR PROJECT WITH THE EXISTING PUD WHICH STILL EXISTS WAS ADOPTED.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHTS.
WE ENCOURAGE THEM PUTTING A STAPLER TOWER THAT WAS 70, SOME ODD FEET OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME I PRETTY MUCH CAME TO THE CONCLUSION.
IF I CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE TOP OF THE BRIGID ALLIANCE, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE SKYLINE OF THE CITY, DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS UP EARLIER TALKING ABOUT 75 FEET, WE SEEM TO THINK 75 FEET IS A HORRIFIC HEIGHT.
IT'S HORRIFIC HEIGHT IS RIGHT DIRECTLY ON THE SIDEWALK AND YOU STEP IT BACK IT'S NOT SO MUCH.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TALLER AND WE NEED TO GO TALLER BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE SO MANY SQUARE FEET YOU CAN BUILD ON.
IF YOU GO GET THIS, YOU GET TO GO UP.
YOU CAN'T GO OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT AVAILABLE.
IT'S NOT ONLY US LOG CORRIDOR AND THIS STORY IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT TWO PARCELS OF LAND THAT WOULD ALLOW 75 FEET.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT THIS HORRIFICALLY HIGH SKYSCRAPER.
IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE FOR THE BRIDGE ALLIANCE.
NUMBER 1, NUMBER 2, THERE'S OTHER BUILDINGS WHICH ARE CLOSE TO IT, WHICH WE DISCUSSED AND COMPARED TO WHAT WE DID WITH SEBASTIAN HARBOR PROJECT YEARS AGO.
THIRDLY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET DENSITY, IT EITHER TAKES LAND OR IT TAKES GOING VERTICAL.
THEN 75 FEET IS NOT THAT VERTICAL.
IT TRULY ISN'T. I SUPPORT THE 75 FEET I THINK IT'S FINE.
>> ANY FURTHER CONVERSATION AT THIS TIME?
>> LET ME DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE SEE IT MOVING FORWARD.
ON JULY 11TH, I'VE ASKED MR. CLARKE TO START WITH A PRESENTATION ON THE TRAIN BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HASN'T SEEN THE SCALE OF HOW THE TRAIN IS BEING PUT TOGETHER SO TO SAY.
THE SECOND THING IS WE WILL BRING FIRST READING OF THE MOD AND THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE COMMISSION FOR FIRST READING.
NOW, WHATEVER IS IN THAT CODE IS TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND HAS TO UNDERGO A REVIEW PROCESS AND THAT TAKES AT LEAST 30 DAYS.
TYPICALLY 30 DAYS, WHICH THEN PUSHES ANYTIME A SECOND READING COULD EVEN CONCEIVABLY BE THOUGHT OF, IS AT LEAST TWO WEEKS FURTHER THAN THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE A VERY AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE.
ALSO, AT THE 11TH I WAS PLANNING TO SCHEDULE THE APPLICANT REQUESTS FROM MR. BROUDY FROM BARRY TO PROPOSE TO MAKE HIS INITIAL REQUEST TO REZONE HIS PROPERTY TO THAT CLASS IF IN FACT THAT CLASS EXISTS AFTER A SECOND READING.
WHAT I WILL BE ENCOURAGING BARRY AND HIS TEAM TO DO IS TO SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME PUTTING TOGETHER SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH WORKSHOPS TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND GO THROUGH THE DESIGN TO SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, HOW CAN YOU WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE SITE TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ALL BE PROUD OF.
IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG PROBLEM SO IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE
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TO GET A PEEK AT WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND ALSO TO BE ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC IN THE EVALUATION OF WHETHER OR NOT AT A SECOND READING, YOU WOULD SUPPORT A 75/50 OR WHETHER IT GETS THROTTLED DOWN TO A LOWER NUMBER OR WHATEVER.WHAT MAKES ME EXCITED ABOUT IT IS IT REMINDS ME WHEN WE DID THE PARKING GARAGE.
I DON'T NEED TO SCARE THE BROUDY TEAM, BUT WE HAD 32 PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.
BUT THE POINT IS, WE CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH THE IMPORTANCE OF GIVING THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO BE ENGAGED AND TO HEAR ALL SIDES, THE MERITS AND THE GOOD AND THE BAD.
THAT'S HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK THAT WHEN MR. CLARKE SHOWS YOU OR BARRY SHOWS YOU WHAT MIGHT WORK WITHIN THAT AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE RIGHT STEP.
YOU HOLD YOUR SECOND READING ON THE CLASS, SO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE THIS IS GOING.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT JUST LIKE JACKSONVILLE, I WOULD ENVISION WE'D HAVE OTHER ZONING CLASSES TO CREATE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN DIFFERENT AREAS OVER TIME WHEREVER WE MIGHT HAVE PARKING.
ACTUALITY THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH WHEN WE HAD SUGGESTED IT FAILED.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET A PARKING GARAGE LOCATED UP WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY NEAR THE COUNTY ADMIN BUILDING WITH THE FLAGLER CROSSING PROJECT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
THAT'S HOW I SEE THE SCHEDULING.
I JUST APPRECIATE THIS DIALOGUE.
THE 75 FEET, IT FELT UNCOMFORTABLE TO ME INITIALLY UNTIL I COULD START TO SEE SOME SENSE OF ARCHITECTURE, HOW THIS MIGHT WORK.
WHATEVER WE DO, WE CANNOT HAVE A CANYON EFFECT.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS, WELL, HOW DO WE KEEP SOME CONTROL? DAVID HAS SPENT SOME TIME ON THAT AND WE COULD ADDRESS THAT IN THE FIRST READING.
BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, THE TWO SITES, THE BROWNIE PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO THE ENTRY QUARTER REVIEW DESIGN STANDARDS.
BUT ALSO WE'RE PLANNING TO PROPOSE IN THE LANGUAGE THAT THE SECOND SITE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO GET THE UNDERLYING ZONING CLASS ESTABLISHED, AND SITE WOULD REQUIRE A PUD BECAUSE THAT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION THAT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT CONTROLS ON THAT PROPERTY.
BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THE PROJECT'S GOING TO MEET STANDARDS.
WE CANNOT JUST HAVE SOVIET-STYLE BLOCK BUILDING.
MR. MAYOR, IF YOU AND THE COMMISSIONER K THAT'S HOW WE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION, AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JULY 11TH, WE WILL HAVE BEFORE US PROPOSALS, FIRST READINGS TO AMEND THE COMP PLAN AND TO CREATE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
THOSE WILL NOT BE THE PARTICULARS OF THE BROUDY PROJECT, BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES WILL BE WHAT'S BEFORE US ON THE 11TH.
>> CORRECT. BUT THEN ALSO ON 11TH WOULD BE THE REQUEST FROM MR. BROUDY AND HIS TEAM TO SEEK THAT ZONING CLASS, AND THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO START TO SEE THE PARTICULARS OF HIS PROJECT.
STILL KEEPING THE ITEMS INDEPENDENT.
HOW CAN YOU JUST DECIDE IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOME SENSE OF WHAT THINGS CAN LOOK LIKE? OR WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE, OR WHAT HE'S WILLING TO COMMIT TO, SUCH AS NOT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT DOESN'T ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS.
WE'D LIKE TO BRING THAT FORWARD AT THE SAME MEETING.
[OVERLAPPING] MAYOR IT'S NOT ME RUSHING ANYTHING.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BRINGING AMY UP TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS THE NORMAL PATTERN ON HOW WE DO PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE THEORY OF WHY THEY COME TOGETHER.
SHE IS OUR BEST EXPERT ON THAT.
>> I JUST HEARD YOU SAY THAT ARCHITECTURE IS INTEGRAL TO HEIGHT.
BECAUSE SOME OF US MAY THINK 75 FEET, A BIG SQUARE BLOCK OF A BUILDING WITH NOTHING.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE CREATING IS A ZONING DISTRICT WITHOUT ARCHITECTURAL CONTROLS.
BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE SAYING ARCHITECTURE IS INTEGRAL.
HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT OR ENTERTAINED ARCHITECTURAL GUIDANCE IN THE CODE?
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OR HOW ARE YOU SUGGESTING YOU CONTROL THE STYLE OF THE ARCHITECTURE? BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH EVERY EXAMPLE YOU GAVE US WAS OF STUNNING ARCHITECTURE.WE'VE COME TO LOVE THE 1920S OLD EXCHANGE BANK BUILDING.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE TREASURY WOULD CALL IT NOW IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED THE EXCHANGE.
WE TALK ABOUT THE DOMES OF MEMORIA PRESS. FLAGLER COLLEGE.
THOSE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES OF FINE ARCHITECTURE.
WE ACCEPT THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.
WE LOVE THEM. HOW DO WE REMEDY THAT? YOU MENTIONED REQUIRING THIS ZONING CATEGORY TO HAVE A PUD, IS THAT EVEN LEGAL? I DON'T KNOW.
>> I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THAT WILL BE FLUSHED OUT AT A FUTURE TIME BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BY SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
PERHAPS THEY HAVEN'T FULLY BLOOMED AND GOTTEN FULL LEGAL WRITING.
>> WHAT WE WOULD DO, THIS IS THE THOUGHT PATTERN.
WE WOULD PUT LANGUAGE IN THE UNDERLYING LAND USE AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WOULD SAY, IF A BUILDING IS WITHIN A DESIGNATED ENTRY CORRIDOR THAT HAS DESIGN STANDARDS THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A REZONING TO PUD BECAUSE THEN THE DESIGN IS GOVERNED BY OUR EXISTING DESIGN STANDARDS FOR ENTRY CORRIDORS.
THERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL.
IT'S GOVERNED BY YOUR CORRIDOR REVIEW COMMITTEE.
HOWEVER, IF A BUILDING IS NOT LOCATED ON A CORRIDOR WITH DESIGN STANDARDS THEN IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE REZONED TO PUD.
THAT'S IN THE UNDERLYING LAND USE.
WE COULD EVEN GO FURTHER AND SAY IT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO BE REZONED TO PUD UNLESS BUILDINGS WITHIN THAT LAND USE EXCEEDED A CERTAIN HEIGHT LIMIT, LET'S SAY 60 FEET OF HEIGHT, THEN IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE REZONED TO PUD.
WE'VE ALWAYS SAID PUDS ARE NOT GUARANTEED LIGHTS.
THEY DON'T HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
DOESN'T FALL UNDER BURNT HAIR.
IS THERE ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO SAY WITH THE PUD? NO, WE DON'T LIKE IT.
BUT IF YOU DID THAT WE WOULD LOSE THAT ABILITY TO DENY A PUD.
>> NO. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE REQUIRED PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT ALREADY GOVERNED BY DESIGN STANDARDS TO BE A PUD THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE FEEDBACK ON THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE SITE AND SHOW PUBLIC BENEFIT.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?
>> THANK YOU, MR. BERTRAM. THANK YOU, MR. REAGAN.
[9.A.1. Ordinance 2022-18: Rezones and amends the Planned Unit Development (PUD) at 36 Granada Street. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
ORDINANCE 2022-18. MS. SKINNER?>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THIS ITEM IS THE INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING FOR ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-18, TO ADOPT A PUD REZONING AT 36 GRANADA STREET TO AMEND THE EXISTING PUD.
THE EXISTING PUD AT 36 GRANADA STREET, INCLUDING A DESOTO PLACE, WAS ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.
THE OWNERS HAVE SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE TEXT AND ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROJECT REQUIRING A PUD AMENDMENT.
THE PCB RECOMMENDED THIS APPLICATION AT THEIR JUNE 7TH MEETING.
THE CITY COMMISSION DID WAIVE THE ONE-YEAR TIME LIMIT BETWEEN REZONINGS ON MAY 9TH.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ELEVATIONS MAY BE DIFFICULT TO READ IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE ELEVATIONS.
THE DRAWINGS ARE VERY SMALL SO I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME ITEMS. ADDITIONALLY, I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS GOING TO REVIEW THE AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES TO THE ELEVATIONS AT THEIR JULY 21ST MEETING BECAUSE THE ELEVATIONS WERE A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING.
THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD WILL REVIEW THESE ELEVATIONS AS WELL BEFORE THE ITEM COMES BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS A LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT WAS DRAFTED FOR
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THE PUD TO ALLOW FOR SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME AWNINGS TO OVERHANG THE CITY RIGHT AWAY.THAT ITEM WILL ALSO BE AMENDED BASED ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PUD.
>> FORGIVE MY PERHAPS MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT PROCEDURALLY, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO MAKE SENSE TO WAIT FOR HARB TO MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION BEFORE IT COMES TO US.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS.
>> IT IS A BIT AWKWARD, BUT THE ELEVATIONS WERE PART OF THE APPROVAL FOR PARTIAL DEMOLITION, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ACTION FROM THE REZONING REQUEST.
THE ELEVATIONS WILL BE, I GUESS, AN ITEM ATTACHED TO THE PUD, BUT THE REZONING REQUEST IS A SEPARATE ACTION VERSUS THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION REVIEW BECAUSE THE BUILDING WAS 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN PROCEED.
YOU CAN INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE.
IF HARB HAS CHANGES TO THE ELEVATIONS, THEN THE SECOND READING, WE WILL INCLUDE THE REVISED ELEVATIONS.
>> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HARB HAS TWO ROLES HERE.
ONE IS TO PASS UPON THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION, WHICH IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, IS IT TRUE?
>> THE ONLY REASON THAT HARB HAD ANY REVIEW OF THE ARCHITECTURE WAS BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER AND IT WENT TO HARB FOR THE LEVEL OF DEMOLITION, AND THE ELEVATIONS WERE PRESENTED AS PART OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THE DEMOLITION.
>> IS HARB PASSING UPON MATERIALS, AUTHENTICITY OF THE LOOK, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
>> THE EXTENT OF HARB'S REVIEW IS JUST WHAT IMPACTS THE DEMOLITION.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IF THE BUILDING IS A BOX, THEY LOOKED AT WHAT WAS BEING TAKEN AWAY AND WHAT'S BEING PUT BACK.
THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL FOR REVIEW THAT IS IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE.
>> THEY ARE LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEING PUT BACK.
>> IT SEEMS BROADER THAN JUST DEMOLITION.
>> I GUESS I COULD ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS COMFORTABLE TO PROCEED.
IT IS AWKWARD, BUT THEY ARE SEPARATE ACTIONS.
>> MR. BLONDER GOT US HERE BY ASKING WHY WE'RE REVIEWING THIS ON FIRST READING WHEN IN FACT IT HAS NOT RECEIVED FINAL APPROVAL OR REVIEW FROM HARB?
>> THE ANSWER IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED, BUT I'LL TRY AND SIMPLIFY IT.
HARB DOES NOT HAVE FULL DESIGN REVIEW IN THIS AREA, BUT WHAT THEY DO, IS THEY LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT OF WHAT YOU'RE TAKING OUT, AND HOW YOU'RE REPLACING IT.
ARE YOU REPLACING IT LIKE FOR LIKE, OR ARE YOU GOING WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING? THAT'S PART ONE OF THE PUZZLE.
>> CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND?
>> SURE. IS IT LIKELY OR UNLIKELY THAT HARB WILL MAKE SOME CHANGES? BECAUSE IF THEY DO, I'D RATHER WAIT UNTIL THEY MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REVIEW THIS.
WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THIS THING AND IT'S COME BACK TO US.
>> I REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE COMPLETE.
>> MY QUESTION IS, AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? ISN'T HARB REVIEWING THIS BEFORE IT WILL COME BACK TO US ON SECOND READING?
IT COMES BACK FOR A SECOND READING, WE DON'T LIKE IT, WE TABLE IT. IT'S IN THE BAG.
>> THE REASON THAT DESIGN IS IMPORTANT IS YOU ALL ADDED THE DESIGN ELEVATIONS AS PART OF THE PUD, WHICH YOU DO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
THAT'S HOW IT'S PARTIALLY HARB LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEING DEMOED AND HOW IT'S BEING REPLACED IN THE SENSE OF IS IT LIKE FOR LIKE OR ARE WE GOING WITH A COMPLETELY MODERN THING THAT IS REMOVING HISTORIC MATERIAL AND NOT PUTTING BACK THE HISTORIC MATERIAL FIXED UP IF I CAN VULGARIZE IT THAT WAY.
PART 2 IS, YOU ALL, AT THE PUD STAGE ATTACHED THE ELEVATIONS AS A BINDING PART OF THIS ORDINANCE.
WHAT COMMISSIONER VALDES IS SAYING IS, WELL, YOU'LL HEAR THIS AT FIRST READING, IT'LL GO BACK TO HARB.
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THERE'LL BE SOME FEEDBACK BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN THE FINAL ELEVATIONS THAT YOU WILL STAPLE AND ATTACHED TO THIS ORDINANCE, YOU'LL SEE AT SECOND READING.DOES THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER?
>> IT'S NOT LIKE WHETHER IT'S SIMPLE OR COMPLICATED.
IT'S MORE JUST ARE WE GETTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE? THAT'S REALLY WHAT MY QUESTION WAS.
>> REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MOVING A PROJECT ALONG.
WE ARE TAKING THE RISK, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY SAYING TO THIS BUSINESSPERSON, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MONTH OUT OF YOUR PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITHOUT HAVING A COMPLETE PACKAGE WHEN IT GOES TO HARB BEFORE SECOND READING, AND WE HAVE IT COMPLETE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE PACKAGE AT SECOND READING, WE CAN STILL KILL IT.
>> WELL, LET'S BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING.
>> WE APPROVED THIS ALREADY AND THE OWNER IS NOW BACK TO US BECAUSE HE HAS CHANGES.
I'M NORMALLY VERY SENSITIVE TO NOT UNDULY HOLDING UP SOMEBODY, BUT THIS IS ALL ON THE OWNER, THE DEVELOPER, AND NOT ON US.
>> YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT BUT YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT WELL SOME OF THE THINGS HE IS DOING IS CREATING A BETTER BUILDING, AND HAS JUST A SURVIVABILITY FROM WHAT I'M READING HERE.
>> ALL THE INFORMATION WAS BEFORE HIM WHEN HE CAME TO US THE FIRST TIME.
IT HASN'T FLOODED SINCE THEN, HE ABSOLUTELY KNEW THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, BUT IT ALSO MADE PERFECT SENSE WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO US THE FIRST TIME.
YOUR JOB NOW, MS. SKINNER, IS TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
>> YES. I'LL START WITH THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE GRANADA STREET SIDE.
THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE ON GRANADA.
THE AWKWARDNESS IS THAT THIS IS BASICALLY AN OPEN PATIO AREA AND THE FRONT DOOR WAS PUSHED BACK.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE THE PERSPECTIVE HERE, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY AN OPEN PATIO.
>> I'M SORRY, IS THE TOP ELEVATION WHAT WE APPROVED?
>> THE BELOW ONE IS THE PROPOSED?
WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS ACTUALLY KEEPING THE FRONT LINE OF THE BUILDING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY ARE RAISING THE FINISHED FLOOR INSIDE TO THE 30 INCHES SO THAT IT IS MORE SUSTAINABLE.
THEY'RE KEEPING THIS KNEE WALL EFFECT ALONG HERE, AND THEY'RE MOVING THE FRONT DOOR TO THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE PURPLE BUILDING AND THE EXISTING BUILDING.
LIKE YOU SAID, THESE DRAWINGS ARE REALLY SMALL, AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO INTERPRET THEM, AND I WENT BACK-AND-FORTH OVER THEM A LOT.
I THINK I SEE A KNEE WALL ON THE SITE PLAN, THE SIDE VISION OF THAT SITE PLAN.
BUT I DON'T SEE IT ALL THE WAY AROUND AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE KNEE WALL EXCEPT WHAT'S IN THE DRAWINGS.
>> IT'S ONLY REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS HERE ALONG THE FRONT.
THE KNEE WALL BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE BLOCK UP TO A THREE-FOOT HEIGHT OR SO, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE WINDOWS THERE ALONG THE FRONT.
>> IN THE NARRATIVE, IT SAYS THE KNEE WALL IS TO HELP PREVENT FLOODING, RIGHT?
>> THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID ANY OPEN ENTRANCES, OR OPEN AREAS WHERE THE WATER COULD COME IN.
CURRENTLY THE CURRENT BUILDING, THERE'S THAT FRONT DOOR AND THEY HAVE TO PUT THE DOOR DAM UP TO KEEP THE WATER BACK.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE BASICALLY A WALL OF WINDOWS WITH A KNEE WALL ALONG THE BOTTOM ALONG GRANADA STREET.
>> OKAY, WE'VE GOT BASICALLY A SOLID FRONT ALONG GRANADA STREET. NEXT CHANGE?
>> IN STAYING ALONG THE ROADWAYS, THIS IS CONSIDERED THE SOUTH ELEVATION WHICH IS WHEN YOU TURN THE CORNER ON DESOTO PLACE, YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS AN OPEN PATIO.
THEN THERE WERE WINDOWS ALONG DESOTO PLACE WITH SOME WORK AREA IN THE BACK.
NOW, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO JUST KEEP THE EXISTING WALL, WHICH IS A BLANK WALL RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO ADD THIS, ADD SOME ROOF CHANGE HERE, SQUARE OFF THE ROOF, AND PUT THE MURAL ON THIS SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
>> QUICK REACTION, VERY UNATTRACTIVE.
[LAUGHTER] I MEAN, IT LOSES A LOT OF VISUAL APPEAL.
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THE BUILDING HAS LITTLE TO NO VISUAL APPEAL TODAY.>> BUT DO YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE?
>> I THINK THEY AGAIN HAVE DECIDED TO KEEP IT THE SAME TO ARMOR AGAINST THE FLOODING ON THE STREET, AND THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR FLOOR PLAN AND KITCHEN AREA AROUND IN THE BACK HERE.
SWITCHING BACK TO THE NORTH SIDE.
THIS WAS THE EXISTING ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.
WHEN YOU TURN OFF OF GRANADA THERE'S A DRIVEWAY AND A PURPLE HOUSE, SO THEY'VE MOVED THE MURAL TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
IT HAD SOME AWNINGS IN WINDOWS.
NOW, ACTUALLY GOING TO DRIVE IN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO UP SOME STAIRS TO THE END, TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS ON THIS SIDE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A PATIO EFFECT ON THIS SIDE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, FACING THE PURPLE HOUSE.
YOU'LL TURN IN. YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY DROP OFF YOUR PATRONS AND THEN GO TO THE BACK AND PARK.
THEN JUST TO FINISH ALL FOUR SIDES, THE WEST SIDE IS THE SIDE THAT FACES THE BACK, AND THE BACK PARKING LOT DOWN DESOTO.
IT HAD LIKE A WORK AREA HERE OR BACK PASS AREA HERE.
SOME OF THIS, THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE.
THEY'VE ADDED SOME WINDOW ELEMENTS HERE AND JUST CLOSED THIS OFF, SO THIS IS NOT AS OPEN.
THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN DID HAVE SOME PALM TREES AND SOME AWNINGS IN THE CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THEY HAVE CHANGED THAT AROUND.
THERE ARE GOING TO STILL BE SOME AWNINGS, BUT THEY'RE TAKEN OUT THE PALM TREES AND REDESIGNED THE LANDSCAPING.
THIS IS WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE NOW.
JUST THE GLASS ALONG HERE, AND A BLANK WALL HERE, AND THEN THE BACK AREA.
>> WE LOST THE SECOND ENTRANCE?
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS THIS ON FIRST READING.
I'M NOT HAPPY, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ALONG.
WE CAN REACH A FINAL DETERMINATION.
I'M SORRY THAT YOU ARE PLACED IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE IN FACT HAVING TO SERVE AS THE MIDDLE PERSON HERE.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE ORDINANCE 2022-18 TO SECOND READING UNTIL PUBLIC HEARING.
>> ORDINANCE. [OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY.
DO YOU WANT ME TO PAUSE AND WAIT?
>> I APOLOGIZE. I MISSED. I DON'T HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE DEVIATIONS BETWEEN THE APPROVED PUD AND THEN THIS VERSION OF THE PUD.
[NOISE] WHAT IS THE PARKING CHANGE? THE NUMBER OF SPACE? IS IT THE SAME?
>> THE SAME. WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR 400 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET?
>> WHEN THEY CHANGED THE ORIENTATION OF THE ENTRANCE THAT'S ADDING SOME COVERED AREA ON THE NORTH.
>> THEY FILLED IN THAT PATIO AREA AND MADE IT INDOORS?
>> THAT'S WHERE THEY ADDED 400 SQUARE FEET? I SEE LANDSCAPING CHANGES.
DID YOU HAVE AN ANALYSIS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER BLONDER WHO WAS VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING A VERY GOOD LANDSCAPE PLAN, THOUGH.
>> DO WE HAVE AN ANALYSIS ON THAT OR IS IT JUST?
>> I BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE NATIVE VEGETATION.
>> IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT POINT.
AT THE TIME THAT WE APPROVED IT AT SECOND READING IN NOVEMBER, THE APPLICANT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SAID THAT THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DID NOT HAVE TIME TO MAKE THE CHANGES TO THE SPECIES LIST.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE STILL NOT BEEN MADE AND THERE ARE STILL NON-NATIVE SPECIES THAT ARE PRESENT ON THIS EXISTING LANDSCAPE AND SITE PLAN THAT IS NOW WHAT EIGHT MONTHS LATER.
THAT IS CERTAINLY A CONCERN. I'M SORRY.
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>> NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.
THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IS THEY COME IN FROM GRANADA, GO IN AND CIRCULATE AND COME OUT GRANADA. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> MIGHT STILL ONE ON THE SIDE OUT.
>> YOU COME IN ON GRANADA AND THEN YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF GOING DEEPER INTO THE PARKING LOT, AND THEN HERE ARE THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS ONTO DESOTO.
YOU CAN TURN HERE AND THEN YOU CAN GO BACK AND COME OUT ON DESOTO.
>> WE DID APPROVE TWO EXITS ONTO DESOTO?
>>THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
YES, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THE PARKING.
>> THE ONLY THING WAS THEY JUST CHANGED THE PARKING IN THE ENTRANCE OFF OF GRANADA?
>> THAT WAS MY BAD. THANK YOU.
>> MS. LOPEZ, IF YOU'D PLEASE READ.
>> I'M SORRY. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
THE HARB REVIEW, IT'S PENDING.
THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS, THE AESTHETICS.
DID YOU ALL DECIDE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO MOVE ON FORWARD OR WAIT FOR THEM FIRST?
>> I HAVE MADE THE MOTION THAT WE PROCEED, BUT WE WILL HAVE HARB'S DEFINITIVE ANSWER BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO US ON SECOND READING.
>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION.
THIS MAY JUST BE AN ARTIFACT OF THE ONLINE PACKET, BUT IN MY PACKET I SEE REDUNDANCY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS.
WHAT I WANTED TO SEE IN THE NARRATIVE OF THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS WAS A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON LIKE A MARKUP THAT YOU DO IN WORD OR WHATEVER.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE FIRST BUNCH OF MATERIAL.
BUT THEN AS I SCROLL DOWN, ANOTHER 60 PAGES, I DO SEE THAT.
PUD CONTINUES TO CONFUSE ME IN IT'S PRESENTATION AND IT'S OMISSIONS, AND I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE KNEE-WALL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE IMPACTS OF A KNEE-WALL ON THAT STREET THAT FLOODS SO READILY ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THE IMPACTS OF THAT KNEE-WALL AND PUSHING WATER AWAY FROM THAT BUILDING AND TOWARD OTHER BUILDINGS, BECAUSE WATER IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE.
THESE ARE ISSUES THAT I AM INCLUDING THE NATIVE PLANTS IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THAT I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER BEFORE SECOND READING.
>> IF YOU'D PLEASE READ FOR US, MS. LOPEZ.
>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-18, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.75 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 36 GRANADA STREET, PARCEL ID NUMBER 203240000 AND 8 DESOTO PLACE PARCEL ID NUMBER 203230000, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HEREINAFTER TO AMEND ITS CURRENT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD CLASSIFICATION, ADOPTING A NEW PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> VICE MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
>> JUST THAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT HARB TAKING A LOOK AT IT.
I THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO HARB, BECAUSE IF APPROVE IT ON FIRST READING THAN HARB'S GOING TO SAY, OH, WELL, THEY ALREADY APPROVED IT ON FIRST READING, THE TRAINS ON THE TRACKS.
HANDS ARE PUSHED INTO THIS DIRECTION OF.
>> WELL, LET ME ASSURE YOU AS ONE VOTE, I'M VERY ANXIOUS FOR HARB'S INPUT.
WE'RE ONLY DOING IT BASED UPON, BASICALLY, THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF.
BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.
I VOTED FOR IT THE FIRST TIME, BUT GOOD HEAVENS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO LOVE.
>> I'M SORRY. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS [LAUGHTER] AGAIN.
BUT WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE 400? DID THEY JUST TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANOTHER 400 SQUARE FEET OR I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE JUSTIFICATION.
I KNOW THAT, THAT WAS OPEN. NOW IT'S CLOSED.
>> THEY FILLED IN AN AREA AND THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL AREA WHERE THE
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ENTRANCES SO THAT YOU HAVE THE STAIRS COMING UP TO [OVERLAPPING]>> SOME OF IT WAS AN ENTRY ISSUE, WHICH I GET WHEN YOU'RE ELEVATING, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM AND THAT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT THEY STILL.
[LAUGHTER] SORRY. I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE ROOM.
>> NO. DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING.
WE'VE FINISHED DISCUSSION. MADAM CLERK, IF YOU'D PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. SKINNER.
THE ORDINANCE PASSES ON FIRST READING.
[NOISE] WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 9A2, ORDINANCE 2022-19. MS. SKINNER?
>> YES. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
THIS ITEM IS AN INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING FOR ORDINANCE 2022-19 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP FROM RESIDENT.
>> MISS SKINNER I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT HERE.
TO THE DEGREE YOU CAN INCORPORATE IN YOUR DESCRIPTION, THE OTHER FOUR ORDINANCES, WE WILL VOTE ON THOSE SEPARATELY, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALL RELATED.
>> IN FACT, IF I MAY, THE CITY COMMISSION ASKED US TO SEND A LETTER TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE'RE INVOLVED WITH THIS EXPIRED PUD SO THIS ITEM IN THE NEXT ITEM FOR 63 AND 65 WEST AVENUE WERE IN REACTION TO RECEIVING THAT LETTER SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.
THE ORDINANCE 2022-19 AMENDS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RESIDENTS FROM MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED-USE TO COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.14 ACRES.
THIS PROPERTY IS EAST OF US 1 AND WEST AVENUE.
THE EXISTING USES A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE INTRODUCTION IN FIRST READING FOR ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-20, WHICH IS THE COMPATIBLE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE EXPIRED PUD TO COMMERCIAL MEDIUM 3, CM2 FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SECONDLY, THERE IS AN ITEM FOR 65 WEST AVENUE.
THESE PROPERTIES ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER AND OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER AND THE ITEM IS 9A4 ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-21 AMENDS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED-USE TO COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, AND THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.29 ACRES.
ITEM NUMBER 9A5 IS AN INTRODUCTION IN FIRST READING FOR ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-22, WHICH IS THE COMPATIBLE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE EXPIRED PUD TO COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TWO FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.29 ACRES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE THERE QUESTIONS?
>> NO, JUST A COMMENT THAT I WILL SAY THAT THIS REPRESENTED A LOT OF WORK ON SOMEBODY'S PART.
IT WAS A HUGE INITIATIVE WHEN IT HAPPENED AND THIS IS A LOT OF WORK JUST DISASSEMBLING IT AND BRINGING IT BACK.
THOSE ARE SOME LESSONS IN THERE SOMEWHERE. [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS WAS THE HOWARD DAVIS' DEVELOPMENT AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE GREAT RECESSION TOOK IT DOWN AND OF COURSE, THEN WE'VE LOST HOWARD, SO NEVER CAME BACK.
I WOULD MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022-18 ON FIRST READING READ BY TITLE ONLY AND MOVE TO SECOND READING.
ORDINANCE 2022-19 BE READ BY TOTAL ONLY,
[9.A.2. Ordinance 2022-19: Creates a land use plan amendment at 63 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
PASSED ON FIRST READING, MOVE TO SECOND READING. IS THERE A SECOND?>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-19, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.14 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 63 WEST AVENUE IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY, MIXED USE, TO A DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> I JUST WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR BECAUSE ANYBODY OUT THERE LISTENING MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF THIS.
JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS WAS AN EXPIRED PUD STAFF REACHED OUT PROACTIVELY TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE FORMERLY IN THE PUD, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN EXPIRED.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED AS COMMERCIAL MIXED DENSITY OR CM2, AND THEN WAS RECLASSIFIED DURING THE PUD INTO RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED-USE.
NOW IT'S REVERTING BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL 70 CLASSIFICATION.
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>> OKAY. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU. THE ORDINANCE PASSES.
WE'RE NOW ON ORDINANCE 2022-20.
[9.A.3. Ordinance 2022-20: Rezones 63 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
I WOULD MOVE THAT THE ORDINANCE BE PASSED ON FIRST READING, READ BY TITLE ONLY AND MOVE TO SECOND READING. IS THERE A SECOND?>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-20 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 0.14 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 63 AVENUE, PARCEL ID NUMBER 119480-0000, IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE HAS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TO CM2, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU. THE ORDINANCE PASSES.
[9.A.4. Ordinance 2022-21: Creates a land use amendment at 65 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]
WE'RE NOW AN ORDINANCE 2022-21.I WOULD MOVE THE THE ORDINANCE BE PASSED ON FIRST READING, READ BY TITLE ONLY, AND MOVE TO SECOND READING.
>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-21 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 0.29 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 66 WEST AVENUE IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED-USE, TO A DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU. THE ORDINANCE PASSES.
[9.A.5. Ordinance 2022-22: Rezones 65 West Avenue. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building) ]
WE'RE NOW AN ORDINANCE 2022-22.I WOULD MOVE THAT THE ORDINANCE BE READ BY TITLE ONLY PASSED ON FIRST READING AND MOVE TO SECOND READING.
>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-22, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 0.29 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 65 WEST AVENUE, PARCEL ID NUMBER 1195100000, IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED HERE AND AFTER FROM ITS CURRENT CLASSIFICATION OF CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL MEDIUM 2, CM2, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERANCE OF INVALID PROVISIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE ORDINANCE PASSES. THANK YOU, MS. SKINNER.
MS. COLUMBUS, WE'RE ON ITEM 9B1, RESOLUTION 2022-18.
[9.B.1. Resolution 2022-18: Creates a poet laureate for the City of St. Augustine. (D. Galambos, City Clerk) ]
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COMMISSIONERS.
BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WENT BACK AND MODIFY THE RESOLUTION TO REMOVE THE SPECIFIC HOLIDAYS AND EVENTS.
WE REMOVED THE PRE-APPROVAL REQUIREMENT.
HOWEVER, WE STILL MAINTAIN OUR ABILITY TO REJECT AT OUR DISCRETION.
WE CLARIFIED COPYRIGHT OWNERSHIP AND PUBLICATION.
WE ADDED THE ABILITY FOR THE POET LAUREATE TO USE WORKS OF OTHERS AS OPPOSED TO ONLY THEIR OWN AND WE ALSO PROVIDED POTENTIAL FUNDING.
>> YOU CERTAINLY HAVE ADDRESSED MY CONCERNS, MS. COLUMBUS.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, PLEASE?
>> THIS WAS SPONSORED BY COMMISSIONER HORVATH AND SHE'S NOT HERE TO SEE THE CHANGES.
I WONDER IF THERE'S AN URGENCY TO THIS, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE WAITED FOR HER TO RETURN?
>> FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, COMMISSIONER HORVATH CALLED ME EARLIER TODAY AND WANTED TO HAVE ME MENTION THAT SHE WAS THE ONE SPEARHEADING THIS AND THAT SHE SUPPORTS IT.
I KNOW SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT SHE ASKED ME TO CONVEY THOSE THOUGHTS TO YOU?
>> THANK YOU, MR. REAGAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SENSITIVITY.
>> VICE MAYOR, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2022-18.
>> IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLONDER.
>> [LAUGHTER] I WASN'T HERE FOR THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.
>> IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THANK YOU, MS. GLAMBOS AND MS. LOPEZ.
[9.B.2. Resolution 2022-20: Requests St. Johns River Water Management District and the Florida Department of Environmental Protection reduce permit application fees. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works)]
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RESOLUTION 2022-20, MR. FRANKLIN.>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, RESOLUTION 2022-20.
THIS IS REQUESTING REDUCTION IN STATE PERMIT FEES.
IT'S AN ANNUAL REQUEST THE CITY MAKES DUE TO OUR POPULATION SIZE.
>> I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 2020-20.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU. THE RESOLUTION PASSES.
MR. FRANKLIN, RESOLUTION 2022-21.
[9.B.3. Resolution 2022-21: Renews the three-year term agreement for the City to maintain all turf and landscaped areas within the Florida Department of Transportation property in sections of State Road 16, State Road A1A, State Road 5 and State Road 5A. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works)]
>> YES, RESOLUTION IN 2022-21 IS OUR FDOT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
THIS IS FOR LANDSCAPING AND LITTER CLEAN UP ALONG THE STATE CORRIDORS WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
IT'S A RENEWAL OF OUR AGREEMENT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS, WHICH REIMBURSES THE CITY OF THE $58,000 PER YEAR.
>> YES. WHAT SECTIONS OF STATE ROAD 16? IS IT IN THE PACKAGE SPECIFICALLY? IS IT 995 IN 16. IS THAT ON US?
>> YES. THERE'S AN EXHIBIT A THAT HAS MAINTENANCE LOCATIONS THAT SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE ROADS.
FOR STATE ROAD 16, I BELIEVE IT IS FROM CITY LIMITS WHICH WOULD BE JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATE ROAD 16 BRIDGE THERE.
>> NO, JUST WITHIN CITY LIMITS. YES.
>> FROM SAN MARCO AVENUE TO JUST WEST OF THE BRIDGE STATE ROAD 16.
>> FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> I'M SURE WE DID, BUT WE'LL DO IT AGAIN. WE PROBABLY DIDN'T.
I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 2022-21. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE RESOLUTION PASSES.
MR. FRANKLIN ON RESOLUTION 2022-22.
[9.B.4. Resolution 2022-22: Authorizes the renewal of the Traffic Signal Maintenance and Compensation Agreement with the Florida Department of Transportation. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works) ]
>> YES. RESOLUTION 2022-22 IS OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE FDOT.
THIS IS AN ANNUAL AGREEMENT THAT WE GET REIMBURSED FOR MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS WITHIN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
>> I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU. THE RESOLUTION PASSES.
[9.B.5. Resolution 2022-23: Authorizes the City Manager to execute an agreement with the Florida Department of Transportation for the Downtown Circulator Program. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works)]
WE'RE ON RESOLUTION 2022-23.>> YES, SIR. I'M VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS ONE THIS EVENING.
THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH FDOT FOR $500,000 DOLLARS, WHICH IS THE FIRST PART OF THE $5 MILLION TO GET OUR CIRCULATOR PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING.
THIS WILL GO TO THE FIRST ROUTE.
THIS IS FROM OUR PROJECT DATA SHEETS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
THE YELLOW ROUTE, IS WHAT WE'LL START FIRST AND THAT WILL GO FROM OUR EXISTING CLOCK TOWER, WE'LL MAKE A LEFT ON THE ORANGE STREET AND THEN A RIGHT ONTO AVENIDA MENENDEZ, HEADING TOWARDS CATHEDRAL.
WILL HAVE A STOP, MOST LIKELY TO HIPPOLYTUS STREET THERE, TURNING RIGHT ON CATHEDRAL AND STOPS SOMEWHERE IN THE PLAZA AREA BY ST. GEORGE STREET AND THEN A RIGHT ON CORDOVA AND HEADING BACK TO THE CLOCK TOWER WITH ANOTHER STOP SOMEWHERE ON CORDOVA STREET.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOUR STOPS TOTAL, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE CLOCK TOWER AND A MINIMUM OF 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS WAIT TIME FOR THAT.
WE DO EXPECT THAT WE HAVE A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT COMING BACK IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH DOT, THAT WOULD BE FOR AN ADDITIONAL $500,000, BUT THIS GETS US OUT OF THE GATE.
IT'S REIMBURSABLE MONTHLY AND THEN THERE'S 30,000 ALLOCATED TO CREATE OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING PLAN.
>> THEN THE STOPS ARE GOING TO BE DESIGNATED IN SOME FORM OF FASHION.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE'LL WORK WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS PLAN, THE MARKETING PLAN TO CREATE THE SIGNAGE, THE STOP LOCATIONS, THE WRAPPING OF THE VEHICLES.
>> I THINK WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY SIGNS JUST IN GENERAL AND WE ARE CLEARLY ADDING ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT,
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BUT I JUST REALLY URGE YOUR UTMOST DISCRETION AND AESTHETIC APPEAL TO LIMIT THE SIGNAGE TO WHAT AN ADULT NEEDS AND NO MORE.>> MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SIGNAGE, MAYBE IT CAN BE SOMETHING ELSE.
>> I DON'T KNOW. MY COMMENT IS, I JUST GOT THIS HOT OFF THE PRESS.
I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE DIRECTOR TOURISTS TDC.
>> YES, WHICH I ASSUME YOU GOT TOO.
I'M EXCITED TO SHARE THAT IT'S BEEN PLACED INTO THE BUDGET AT OUR REQUESTS $100,000 PARTIAL MATCH TO HELP US FUND THE CIRCULATOR FROM TDC DOLLARS.
THERE ARE YOUR TDC DOLLARS ACTUALLY HELPING OFFSET THE COST OF TOURISM.
YAY, MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
>> I THINK THIS IS WONDERFUL PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON AND MR. REAGAN'S.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THE VICE MAYOR MOVES APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 2022-. YOU ALREADY DID THAT?
>> I DID THAT ENTHUSIASTICALLY.
>> OH OF COURSE THAT SHOULD BE SECONDED..
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 11A MISS LOPEZ.
[11.A. Revocable License for use of City owned land at 205 Coquina Avenue. (I. Lopez, City Attorney)]
>> YES. BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST BY THE NEW PROPERTY OWNERS TO HAVE A REVOCABLE LICENSE FOR THE USE OF POSSIBLY CITY-OWNED LAND AT 205 COCINA AVENUE.
THIS CONSISTS OF SOME PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO THEIR PLANTED LOT THAT IS A LAWN RIGHT NOW AND A DARK AREA.
THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES HAVE A PARCEL ID NUMBER THAT IDENTIFIES A PRIVATE OWNER SO WE'RE NOT TAKING A POSITION AS TO THE ULTIMATE OWNERSHIP, BUT IF IT IS OURS, THE REQUEST IS, WOULD WE ALLOW A REVOCABLE LICENSE FOR THE PRIVATE OWNERS' USE?
>> THERE'S NO REASON WE WOULD NOT DO THIS.
MY OPINION, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE THAT WE OWN IT.
WE CERTAINLY AREN'T USING IT FOR A CITY PURPOSE.
WE'RE NOT SELLING THE PROPERTY IF WE DID OWN IT AND SO THIS SIMPLY FACILITATES THE PROPERTY OWNERS USE OF IT AND SO I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF THE REVOCABLE LICENSE AGREEMENT.
>> I'LL SECOND THAT, BUT I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN THE PAST? THERE ALREADY WAS A LICENSE TO USE THIS.
>> THERE WAS TWO OWNERS AGO, SO THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL REVOCABLE LICENSE TWO OWNERS AGO AND IT LAPSED.
IT WAS SOLD TO SOMEONE ELSE AND NOW IT'S BEEN SOLD AGAIN AND THAT OWNER IS WANTING TO RECREATE IT.
>> YES MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE LICENSE AGREEMENT IS APPROVED.
>> I HAVE NOTHING ELSE THIS EVENING.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE ARE NOW ON ITEMS BY THE CITY MANAGER.
[13.A. Estimated cost of demolition of entry sign. (J. Regan, City Manager)]
>> [INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONERS, IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR A COST ESTIMATE TO SELF-PERFORM THE DEMOLITION OF THE STATE ROADS 16 SIGN, WHICH WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO ALL OTHER SIGNS.
WOULD PROBABLY BRING IT IN FOR 1,500, BUT JUST IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS UNFORESEEN.
THAT IS THE ANSWER AND I HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT THE COMMISSION WANTED THAT INFORMATION PRIOR TO US MOVING FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION TO THE STATE ROADS 16 ENTRY SIGN.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE STATE ROAD 16 SIGN, THE US ONE'S SOUTH SIGN AND THE US ONE NORTH SIGN SO THIS IS DEMOLITION ONLY.
WE'LL THEN HAVE AN UPDATED PRESENTATION AT A FUTURE MEETING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT DO THE US ONE NORTH SIGN TO THE CONQUISTADORS AND HOW WE MIGHT RESCAN THE ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.
MY MOTION IS SIMPLY TO REMOVE THOSE THREE.
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FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> I WOULD ALSO ASK WHEN WE, THANK YOU, THE MOTION PASSES, MR. REAGAN, AND I THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE, AND COMMISSION WILL TELL ME IF IT'S NOT, THAT WHEN WE BRING BACK THE PROPOSAL FOR THE REWORKING OF THE ENTRANCE SIGNS, THAT WE ALSO BRING BACK COMMISSIONER HORVATH PROPOSAL ON THE FOUNTAIN AND THE FRONT BECAUSE I INTENTIONALLY TIED THE TWO TOGETHER AND SO IT'S ONLY APPROPRIATE WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ITEM.
SHE'S GIVEN US HER RECOMMENDATION.
BUT WE DID TABLE IT UNTIL THESE ITEMS CAME BACK SO IF YOU COULD PUT THAT ON THE NEXT MEETING.
>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. REAGAN?
HOWEVER, I JUST HAD A THOUGHT.
COMMISSIONER HORVATH WILL NOT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
DO YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT ANYWAYS OR WAIT FOR HER?
>> MY SENSE IS, SHE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT HER RECOMMENDATION WAS.
I FELT LIKE THERE WAS PRETTY GOOD CONSENSUS ON HER RECOMMENDATION.
I SEE IT AS PRETTY PERFUNCTORY APPROVAL AND CERTAINLY HER RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO IT SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE SHE WALKED OUT ONTO THE AGENDA.
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. OKAY.
>> JUST ONE LAST THING IS I THINK I'M HEADED ON PERSONAL VACATION AND IN MY ABSENCE, DAVID BIRCHIM WILL BE IN RESPONSIBLE CHARGE OF THE CITY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. REAGAN.
WE HOPE THAT YOU HAVE SAFE TRAVELS AND A GOOD VACATION.
ITEMS BY THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONERS.
[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS]
OUR COMMISSIONER VALDES?>> I DO. I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
OUR GOOD GOVERNOR HAS RECENTLY SIGNED INTO LAW OR RESIGNED INTO LAW A BILL REGARDING THE NOISE ORDINANCE FROM VEHICLES WITH LOUD MUSIC PLAYING.
IS THAT APPLICABLE ONLY TO MUSIC OR IS THAT ALSO APPLICABLE TO TRUCKS WITH LOW BACKENDS, HIGH FRONT ENDS, BUT EXCEEDINGLY LOUD PIPES ON THEM?
>> I BELIEVE THERE'S A SEPARATE STATUTE ON THE PIPES.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S JUST SPECIFIC TO MOTORCYCLES OR IT'S ALL OF THEM, BUT I CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF IT'S ANY NOISE.
I HAVEN'T READ IT IN GREAT DETAIL.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> ACTUALLY, I WAS HOPING FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO JUST GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE ON HOSPITAL CREEK, THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE, AS WELL AS OPTIONS FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT PASSIVE PARK THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BACK IN MAY, THE 32 ACRES AND ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS ON THAT THROUGH NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST OR WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> OVER MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, WE COLLECTED INFORMATION AND DATA AND TOOK PICTURES OF THE SITUATION HOSPITAL CREEK AND SO WE'RE BUILDING A DOCUMENT.
>> I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO TAKE EACH ITEM SEPARATELY.
>> THE FIRST ITEM IS HOSPITAL CREEK, WHERE WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT SPEEDING AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND ENDANGERMENT OF WILDLIFE.
OVER THE HOLIDAY WEEKEND OF MEMORIAL DAY, OUR TEAM COLLECTED PICTURES AND INFORMATION THAT WOULD BUILD A FINDING OF FACT THAT WE CAN USE TO JUSTIFY AN ORDINANCE, A REQUEST TO THE STATE TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THE CREEK TO A NO-WAKE ZONE AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT YOU CAN USE SO WE'RE BUILDING A DOCUMENT THAT LAYS OUT A NUMBER OF TOPICS THAT CONCURRENTLY SUPPORT THE REQUEST.
IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS AND HOPEFULLY, NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, I DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULED NECESSARILY ABOUT WHEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO DAYLIGHT THAT FOR REVIEW.
BUT IT IS AN EARNEST WORK IN PROGRESS.
THE SECOND THING IS WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST WITH REGARD TO THE 32 ACRE PARCEL.
WE'VE JUST BEEN ON OTHER PRIORITIES. YEAH.
>> I DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO PROTECT IT INTO THE FUTURE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ON WEDNESDAYS WE HAVE A STAFF MEETING,
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WE FOLLOW-UP AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EVERY DETAIL OF THIS MEETING AND MAKE ASSIGNMENTS AND SO MEREDITH AND DAVID WILL LOOK THROUGH AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE PUT THAT ON INTO THE ASSIGNMENT LIST.[NOISE]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.