3.A. Special presentation of the American flag to Renda Hall in recognition of her mother, Gudrun Hall, recipient of the 2015 de Aviles award. (T. Upchurch, Mayor)

[3.A. Special presentation of the American flag to Renda Hall in recognition of her mother, Gudrun Hall, recipient of the 2015 de Aviles award. (T. Upchurch, Mayor)]

OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW FROM THE OUTSIDE IT LOOKS LIKE, OH, IT'S GETTING WORSE AND IT'S GETTING THIS AND IT'S GETTING THAT.

BUT THERE ARE CARING, TRUE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS.

AND WE HAVE TO MOVE CAUTIOUSLY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN LIFE.

SO, I GUESS THE QUESTION I'M ASKING, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EIGHT APARTMENT UNITS, 16 WOULD BE BETTER, RIGHT? 16 WOULD BE BETTER.

FOUR WOULD BE EVEN BETTER.

YEAH. WHAT'S THE NUMBER? WELL, IT COMES DOWN TO DENSITY AND WHAT CAN FIT.

AND PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE SIT BEHIND BIG PODIUMS, MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENT, JOHN, I ALSO HAD THE SAME FEELING BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE HOMELESS COALITION.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE VETERANS EIGHT UNITS COMING IN AND WE CAN SEE VARIOUS THINGS HAPPENING.

BUT I DON'T HAVE A FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH NEED THERE IS.

OBVIOUSLY A CERTAIN PIECE OF PROPERTY IS ONLY GOING TO ALLOW YOU A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS.

AND WE HAVE FACTORS AGAINST US LIKE THE PANDEMIC AND THE RAISING OF RENTAL PROPERTIES AND MORTGAGES ARE GOING OUT OF SIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT NEVER THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE HOMELESS, SOME OF THEM ARE GETTING TO BE HOMELESS NOW.

AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY REAL SENSE OF IN AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEED? WE'VE GOT EIGHT COMING.

VETERANS ARE FINISHING UP EIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I'M, IT'S THE SAME THING JOHN'S SAYING.

I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF THAT.

WELL, AND IF ANYONE EVER FIGURES THAT OUT IN THE ROOM, WE WOULD BE ALL EARS KNOWING THAT.

BUT YOU CAN YOU CAN REALLY ONLY HELP THE ONES THAT YOU CAN HELP.

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I MEAN, IT'S THE ONE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU CAN HELP AND YOU HAVE TO HANDLE THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU TAKE THIS PERSON OFF, YOU BREAK THAT CYCLE, THEN THEN THERE'S A THERE'S A PERPETUAL CYCLE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND IT'S A MINDSET AND YOU HAVE TO BREAK THAT CYCLE.

SO I'M GOING TO LET MIKE I MEAN, HE'S TAPPING ME.

YEAH, I WANT TO TRY.

YOU'RE LOOKING FOR NUMBERS AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH.

SO THERE'S A POINT IN TIME COUNT THAT'S DONE EVERY YEAR.

THAT NUMBER SITS AT ABOUT 400.

BUT IF YOU TALK TO ALL OF THE HOMELESS ADVOCATES AND GROUPS, THEY'LL TELL YOU THE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 1000 THAN WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO, YES, WE ARE STARTING WITH SOME SMALLER STEPS TO GET THERE, BUT THESE ARE STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN ALONG THE WAY.

I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LARGER FACILITY WITH 40 BEDS.

RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IF I ASKED YOU FOR 5 MILLION ADDITIONAL DOLLARS, YOU GUYS HAVE THE $5 MILLION IN THE BUDGET TO GIVE US.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE RUN INTO THIS.

I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE WORKED IN THIS COMMUNITY ON A LOT OF CHARITABLE PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS.

THIS HOMELESS ISSUE HAS BEEN THE TOUGHEST ONE I'VE EVER WORKED ON.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEEN THE TOUGHEST ONE, BECAUSE AS TROY MENTIONED, EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT TRULY WANT HELP.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN HOMELESS BEFORE, AND WE CAN GET THEM BACK ON THEIR FEET QUICKLY.

WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE THAT, TO BE QUITE HONEST, WANT TO BE HOMELESS AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THEIR ISSUES AS WELL.

AND THAT'S THE REALLY DIFFICULT PART ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

THERE'S NOT AN EASY SOLUTION.

THERE'S THERE'S NOT A ONE SIZE.

WE BUILD 40 UNITS.

IT FIXES ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS. WHEN I FIRST STARTED IN THIS, THE IDEA WAS TO END HOMELESSNESS IN TEN YEARS.

AND WHEN I READ THE DRAFT OF THAT, I LAUGHED.

I SAID, HOW DO YOU DO SOMETHING THAT 12 YEARS FROM NOW SOMEONE BECOMES HOMELESS BECAUSE OF AN ILLNESS, BECAUSE OF BAD FINANCIAL DECISIONS, BECAUSE OF A DIVORCE? ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOW HAVING YOU CAN'T STOP THAT.

BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IS PUT SERVICES IN PLACE THAT WHEN THOSE PEOPLE HIT THOSE HARD TIMES, THERE'S A PLACE TO GO.

THERE'S A PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY CARES ABOUT THEM AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET BACK ON THEIR FEET.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I AGREE, YOU KNOW, THE 5 MILLION I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE HOMELESS SITUATION AS EXISTS RIGHT NOW IN ST.

AUGUSTINE TO DOWNTOWN COMMERCE WHAT THE REAL LOSS NUMBER IS OR HOW IS IT AFFECTING OUR ECONOMY?

[3.B. Proclamation 2022-17: Proclaiming June 20-26 at Pollinator Week recognizing pollinator species and their significant environmental benefits. (T. Upchurch, Mayor)]

5 MILLION, MAYBE.

SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOSING ALREADY THAT WE COULD PUT TO GOOD USE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO FIND THE MONEY AND THE MONEY'S OUT THERE IS GOING SOMEPLACE AND THE HOMELESS PROBLEM CONTINUES TO BECOME MORE, CONTINUES TO GROW.

IT'S GOING TO AFFECT.

THE COMMERCE HERE. IT ALREADY IS.

IT AFFECTS THE LIVABILITY AND THAT HAS VALUE.

AND I NEED TO FIND A WAY.

WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FIND THAT MONEY AND GIVE IT TO YOU GUYS TO DO WONDERFUL THINGS.

WELL, I THERE'S SO MUCH AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WE WILL CONTINUE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ISSUE.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, IS WHAT DOES A FIX LOOK LIKE? WE CLEARLY KNOW AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IF WE HAVE A PERSON THAT IS MOTIVATED TO GET OFF THE STREET, WE WILL GET THEM OFF THE STREET.

THERE ARE RESOURCES AVAILABLE.

NOBODY'S GOING HUNGRY.

THERE'S FOOD. THERE'S CLOTHING.

DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WITH FOLKS IN PUBLIC AREAS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE? ABSOLUTELY WE DO.

AS DOES EVERY COMMUNITY OF ANY SIZE, PARTICULARLY ONE THAT HAS A TOURIST ELEMENT LIKE WE DO, HAS THE SAME ISSUE.

SO I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH NOT ONLY FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, BUT FOR YOUR PERSEVERANCE.

THIS IS A HARD PROBLEM THAT'S NOT GLAMOROUS.

AND THE THREE OF YOU HAVE BEEN TOILING IN THIS VINEYARD A REALLY LONG TIME, AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR VOLUNTEERS ARE DOING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I DID WANT TO MENTION, IF YOU YOU KNOW, I WAS PART OF THE SOCIABILITY STUDY THAT YOU ALL DID, THE.

SOCIAL CITY ASSESSMENT.

SOCIAL CITY, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP MANY TIMES DURING THE GROUP THAT I WAS WITH THAT, THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE COLD NIGHT SHELTERS THAT THERE'S NO PROBLEMS IN THE CITY AND THAT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE OFF THE STREET AND THEY'RE BEING TAKEN CARE OF.

SO THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, TOO, IS THAT ANY TIME YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN AND TALK AND WE CAN YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRAINSTORM ABOUT THINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF HOMELESSNESS.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE MENTALLY ILL.

YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR CARS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WORK OR YOU'RE DISABLED THAT ARE IN THEIR CARS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO BE HOUSED.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

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AND AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF IT IF YOU ALL EVER WANT TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS IT ON WHAT SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS ARE.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT BEST PRACTICE AND OTHER AREAS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 7C-1.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. I'M DENISE LUDOVIC.

I'M THE GRANTS ADMINISTRATION COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. AND I AM HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THE CITY IS ELIGIBLE TO APPLY TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEXT GRANT CYCLE FOR SMALL CITIES.

[3.C. Proclamation 2022-22: Proclaims June 19, 2022, as Juneteenth Day. (T. Upchurch, Mayor)]

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT CDBG NON ENTITLEMENT UNITS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN APPLY FOR UP TO 24.8 MILLION IN FY 2021 FUNDING AND APPROXIMATELY 23 MILLION IN FY 2022 FUNDING.

BY COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR FUNDING IN FOUR AREAS NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION, HOUSING REHABILITATION, COMMERCIAL REVITALIZATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICATION CYCLE OPENED ON MONDAY, JUNE 6TH, 2022, AND CONTINUES THROUGH THURSDAY, JULY 21ST, 2022.

GRANT FUNDED ACTIVITIES MUST MEET ONE OF THE FOLLOWING NATIONAL OBJECTIVES PROVIDE BENEFIT OF LOW AND MODERATE INCOME PERSONS.

PREVENT OR ELIMINATE SLUM OR BLIGHT CONDITIONS, OR ADDRESS URGENT COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS.

EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES WHICH CAN BE APPLIED FOR WITH THIS GRANT INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENTS.

REHABILITATION OF SUBSTANDARD HOUSING, STREET AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.

DRAINAGE AND STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT THIS OPPORTUNITY.

I NOW REQUEST THAT THIS BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO, SO THIS IS KIND OF AN UNUSUAL PROCEDURE FOR US, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A YOU'VE GIVEN US AN INTRODUCTION.

I'M GOING TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU.

AT THIS POINT, I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. AND SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION CONCERNING THIS APPLICATION OR A PROPOSED APPLICATION FOR THE SMALL CITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.

SO THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN? YES, MISS GEIBER, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, I'LL ASK YOU TO DO A SPEAKER'S CARD AFTER YOU SPEAK, JUST SO WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD.

LAUREN GEIBER, 257 RIBERIA STREET, ST.

AUGUSTINE. THIS IS WHAT I HAD MENTIONED IN MY TALK ABOUT BROWDY'S AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO GET GRANT MONEY TO BE SUPPLIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SMALL CITY'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT. AND THIS WOULD REALLY HELP TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IT AN OK, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT TO ASSUME ANYTHING.

BUT THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE PARKING FACILITY AT BOWDY'S TO BUILD IT.

THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE HOMELESS SITUATION TO SUPPLY MORE BEDS FOR THE FOLKS THAT NEED THEM.

THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS THAT WE NEED HELP WITH AND A LOT OF DOWNTOWN AND IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A PLUS.

AND I SAY GO FOR IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. GEIBER. MS. KALAIDI, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

BJ KALAIDI, WEST CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. THAT'S GOOD, TOO.

SO THE WORKFORCE FOR THE BROUGHTY DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFICALLY SAID, WHO'S GOING TO GET THOSE BEDS? AND IT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE REALLY CLARIFIED AND THIS MONEY IS GOING TO COME RECEIVED CDBG GRANT.

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CAN WE BE MORE SPECIFIC? WE'VE JUST SAT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

WHY CAN'T CAN SOME OF THIS MONEY BE FOR THAT TO BUILD SOMETHING NOT JUST FOR HOME AGAIN, BUT TO BUILD SOMETHING IF WE'RE GOING TO GET MONEY FOR IT? WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND HOW CAN WE USE THE MONEY THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN IF THE APPLICATION GOES THROUGH AND IT COMES BACK TO YOU ALL? WHO'S GOING TO BE ON THIS LIST OF HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SPEND THIS MONEY? WE'RE SO VAGUE NOW, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OUT.

AND FOR THIS LADY THAT WORKS FOR US TO.

I'M SORRY. DENISE, I DON'T KNOW YOUR LAST NAME.

YOU DON'T KNOW MY NAME EITHER.

WE'RE ALL HARD NAMES. SO, ANYWAY, TO WORRY ABOUT IT, TO TELL US WHAT DO YOU THINK AS OUR LEADERS THAT THIS MONEY SHOULD BE GOING FOR SO THAT THE PUBLIC THAT'S NOT HERE OR HAD TO LEAVE CAN HEAR WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE AS TO HOW THIS MONEY I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS 23, 25, WHATEVER THE MILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO BE.

HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE LETTING THE STAFF KNOW WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE SPENT, WHERE OUR TAXPAYER SHOULD BE SPENT? AND ALSO, THE FACT IS, WE WE'RE DOUBLE TAXED.

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING]

AND HOME AGAIN IS GETTING OUR MONEY, WHICH IS FINE.

BUT THE COUNTY IS GIVING JUST SO MUCH MONEY TOO.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY'S DOUBLE TAXED FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.

AND WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY TO GO AROUND BECAUSE 25% OF OUR PROPERTIES ARE NOT EVEN PAYING PROPERTY TAXES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS KALAIDI.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE ELSE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

MAYOR. MY, I THINK THERE'S MAYBE A MISUNDERSTANDING.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHAT THIS IS, IS IT SATISFIED A PUBLIC NOTICE FOR AVAILABLE FUNDING? IT'S NOT TO CHOOSE A PROJECT OR PROPOSE A PROJECT.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO COMMENT ON PROPOSING PROJECTS IF THEY HAVE ANY IDEAS.

WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN AND TAKE THOSE IDEAS.

BUT TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS.

AM I CORRECT? THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE THE GRANT.

THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

SO I DEFINITELY.

BUT LET'S PAUSE BECAUSE THIS IS AN UNUSUAL PROCEDURE.

SO THEN, MS. RAVITCH, WE AUTHORIZE YOU TO PROCEED WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION.

WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSION ARE CONCERNED? WE WILL LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THIS WAS, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS WAS JUST A PRESENT, THAT THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTED.

AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEPS TO GET OUR, YOU KNOW, FIND A RECIPIENT TO GET OUR APPLICATION IN BY THE BY JULY.

ALL RIGHT. BUT ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH WITH APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION? IT'S ABSOLUTELY THERE WILL BE A SECOND HEARING.

SO THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR OFFICE.

ABSOLUTELY. IF THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR IDEA AS TO HOW THE MONEY WOULD BE WELL SPENT.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THE QUESTIONS.

DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVE, MOVE APPROVAL THEN OF PROCEEDING WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION.

SECOND MOTION, A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU. THE AUTHORIZATION IS GRANTED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE ARE NOW IN RESOLUTION 2022-18 THAT WOULD CREATE THE POSITION OF A CITY POET LAUREATE, MS. GALAMBOS AND COMMISSIONER HORVATH, I BELIEVE.

YES. AT THE APRIL 11TH COMMISSION MEETING, COMMISSIONER HORVATH PUT FORTH THE SUGGESTION THAT WE CREATE A CITY POET LAUREATE.

SO I TOOK THAT BACK AND STARTED RESEARCHING AND HOW TO CREATE THESE POSITIONS, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW SAMPLES AND EXAMPLES TO FOLLOW OUT THERE.

THE POET LAUREATE ACTUALLY HAS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS THE PROCESS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STARTED AND I PUT TOGETHER SOME THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS, CRITERIA AND SEND IT TO ISABEL FOR HER REVIEW AND HELP IN PUTTING IT, PACKAGING IT ALL UP TOGETHER.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE THIS EVENING FOR YOU, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

OKAY. WELL, I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, CHRISTY SANFORD, WHO'S STILL HERE.

AND SHE HAD WRITTEN SOME OF HER THOUGHTS THAT SHE SPOKE ABOUT TODAY.

AND I HAD FORWARD THEM TO OUR ATTORNEY, ISABEL LOPEZ.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME PAGE.

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DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT, THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES? I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND THOSE THAT WERE FORWARDED BY EMAIL.

I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT UNDER LETTER C WHERE THE STATEMENT IS.

THE POET LAUREATE WILL WRITE AN ORIGINAL TOPICAL POEM FOR A LAUNDRY LIST OF CIVIC EVENTS, PERHAPS CHANGE THAT WILL WRITE TO MAY WRITE? THAT GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE POET LAUREATE.

IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR EVENT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO WRITE AN ORIGINAL, TOPICAL POEM FOR OR PREFER TO READ SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK.

MAYBE THAT GIVES THE FLEXIBILITY THAT THE SPEAKER WAS LOOKING FOR.

SO CHANGE THE WORD WILL TO MAY.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I THINK THAT CAME UP WAS THE OWNERSHIP OF THE WORKS.

THIS IS NOT A WORK FOR HIRE AND WE WOULD NOT OWN THE COPYRIGHT.

SO THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, WOULD THIS HAVE SOME LIMITING ABILITY FOR POETS TO HAVE THEIR WORKS PUBLISHED IN COMMERCIAL PERIODICALS AND SO ON? AND IT WOULD NOT ALL IT DOES IS ALLOW US TO REPRODUCE AND PUBLISH THE WORKS THAT OUR POET LAUREATE WORKS.

SO THAT'S NOT ALL THE WORKS FROM A PARTICULAR POET.

ONLY THE HANDFUL OF POEMS THAT WOULD BE WRITTEN AS ST.

AUGUSTINE POET LAUREATE WORKS.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUBLISH AND REPUBLISH AT NO COST, BUT WE WOULD NOT CONTROL THE COPYRIGHTS TO THOSE WORKS OF POETRY.

THE ARTIST WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO PUBLISH THOSE AND COMPILATIONS AND SO ON.

AND I THINK THE LAST QUESTION I HEARD WAS PERHAPS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER REVIEWING JUST THE POET LAUREATE WORKS.

SO THAT'S NOT ALL THE WORK PRODUCED AT ANY GIVEN YEAR BY A POET, IT'S SIMPLY THE ONES THAT ARE OFFERED AS CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE POET LAUREATE WORKS.

AND THE REASON THAT THAT PROVISION IS THERE IS BECAUSE THOSE WORKS WOULD BE DEEMED THE GOVERNMENT SPEECH.

SO WE DO WANT TO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER PERHAPS THE LANGUAGE USE OR THE TOPICS USED, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY QUALIFIER THERE. SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WANTING TO CONTROL EVERY POEM THAT A PARTICULAR POET WRITES.

IT'S ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE PRESENTED AS OUR CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE POET LAUREATE WORKS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I THINK THAT DOES SATISFY THOSE ISSUES.

OKAY. YEAH.

I'M NOT SATISFIED.

SO LET'S START WITH THE LAST ONE.

IN THE CLIMATE IN WHICH WE LIVE IN, TO ASK A CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW A WORK OF ART TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES NOT UPSET FIVE CITY COMMISSIONERS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

AND IN FACT, IT FLIES IN THE FACE OF WHAT POETRY AND ART IS ABOUT.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MS. LOPEZ. WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE? DON'T DISAGREE.

BUT THESE ARE NOT THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE SYMBOLIC OF THIS CITY AS A CITY, AS A LEGAL ENTITY, AS A MUNICIPALITY.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE CASE LAW HAS PLAYED OUT, THE CITY CAN BE A SPEAKER.

RIGHT? SO I CAN PRIVATELY BE A SPEAKER.

YOU CAN PRIVATELY BE A SPEAKER.

BUT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AS A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION CAN BE A SPEAKER.

SO THE INTENT WAS TO ALLOW SOME MEASURE OF CONTROL OVER OUR OWN SPEECH, THE CITY OF ST AUGUSTINE'S SPEECH, THROUGH THESE POEMS. SO THAT WAS THE INTENT TO SORT OF FOLLOW THE CASE LAW IN GOVERNMENT SPEECH, ESSENTIALLY.

MAYBE THAT'S SOLVED BY PRESENTING THE POEM TO PUT IT ON OUR PACKET BEFORE IT'S READ SO ALL OF US CAN SEE IT AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

THEN WE GO TO THE CITY MANAGER.

IT REALLY SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IF ANYONE SHOULD BE REVIEWING CITY SPEAK, IT SHOULD BE THE CITY ATTORNEY.

OH, THAT'S EVEN WORSE.

I MEAN. NO, NO DISRESPECT.

I THOUGHT THEY'D BE WELL RECEIVED.

WELL, IT'S THE COMMISSION'S CALL.

THE PROBLEM, AGAIN, IS IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THE CITY'S GOVERNMENT SPEECH.

AND THAT'S A TERM OF ART, RIGHT? IT'S A MADE UP WORD THAT JUDGES HAVE COOKED UP TO DESCRIBE EXPRESSION THAT THE CITY CHOOSES TO IDENTIFY WITH, WHETHER THAT'S A STATUE OR A MONUMENT OR A POEM.

IT PROVIDES A LEVEL OF CONTROL FOR YOU AS THE DECIDERS OF POLICY TO SAY, WE WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

WE NO LONGER WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

WE WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OTHER GOVERNMENT SPEECH TO REPRESENT OUR GOVERNMENT.

OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

IS THIS PROVISION FOUND IN OTHER MODEL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITY POET LAUREATES?

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NO! FOLKS, FOLKS.

THANK YOU. I DON'T NEED ANY COMMENTS FROM FROM THE AUDIENCE.

I THINK MISS GALAMBOS HAS AN OPINION ON THAT.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT FUNDAMENTALLY, JUST A MONTH AGO, THE CITY OF BOSTON WAS EMBROILED IN A GOVERNMENT SPEECH CASE IN FRONT OF THE US SUPREME COURT. ABSOLUTELY.

SO IT'S AN EVOLVING AREA OF THE LAW AND MY INTENT WAS TO COVER THAT.

BUT I LET ME INITIATE THAT.

BUT THE BOSTON CASE WAS A NO BRAINER, AND EVERY LAW STUDENT IN THE COUNTRY KNEW WHAT THEY HAD DONE WAS INCORRECT.

SO, YES, MISS GALAMBOS? THERE IS A CITY IN CALIFORNIA THAT ACTUALLY SIGNS A CONTRACT WITH THEIR POET LAUREATE, AND IT'S A PRETTY HEFTY CONTRACT THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF PROVISIONS ABOUT OVERSIGHT AND OWNERSHIP AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I CERTAINLY WASN'T WILLING TO GO THAT FAR WITH IT, WITH MY SUGGESTIONS AND IN THIS.

BUT YES, I DID SEE A SMALL HANDFUL THAT THAT DID.

OKAY. I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE OF OTHERS VERY QUICKLY AND I'M GOING TO BE QUIET.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE IN ITEM E THAT SAYS, QUOTE, AT NO COST TO THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE INTENT WAS I DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THIS COMPILATION OF POEMS OVER TIME.

AND IF THE CITY EVER WANTED TO PUBLISH A BOOK OF POET LAUREATE WORKS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY A FEE TO THE THE POET FOR THE COPYRIGHT USE OF THOSE POET LAUREATE WORKS.

I. I CAN ENVISION A.

POET LAUREATE.

RIDING ON ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE SPECIFIC HOLIDAYS WE'VE DESIGNATED HERE.

AND. SO I'M RELUCTANT TO CERTAINLY INCLUDE THIS LIST.

MAYBE WE MAKE REFERENCE TO IMPORTANT CITY ANNIVERSARIES AND HOLIDAYS.

BUT I WOULD ARGUE FOR SOMETHING MUCH MORE GENERIC AND MUCH, MUCH MORE WIDE RANGING.

I WONDER IF IN ITEM B.

THAT WE SAY SIMPLY THAT THE POET LAUREATE SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION.

CERTAINLY THAT'S AN OPTION.

I THINK THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE A SCHEDULE SO YOUR CITY CLERK WOULD KNOW WHEN IT'S TIME TO APPOINT A NEW ONE.

NO, YOU'RE CORRECT.

TWO YEAR TERM.

BUT THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE HAVE A POET LAUREATE GO ROGUE, WHICH IS CONCEIVABLE, THAT WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO TO REPLACE THEM.

WE DO.

AND NOW I'VE JUST LOST.

IT'S IN SECTION H.

AND MY COMPUTER HAS GONE ROGUE.

SO SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO GET ME SECTION H.

APPLICATIONS FOR POET LAUREATE, SO ON, SO ON.

IF SELECTED, THE POET LAUREATE AGREES TO COMPLETE THIS FORM AND COMPLY WITH CITY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE POET LAUREATE PROGRAM, AND IN THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE AND AN INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION OR THE PROGRAM AT ANY TIME AS DETERMINED BY BY YOU, BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND THAT'S KILLED THE PROGRAM.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE MESSAGE, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO KILL THE PROGRAM, BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE TO END THE PROGRAM OR TO REMOVE SOMEONE FROM POET LAUREATE.

EITHER ONE. WHERE IS THE ONE? THAT'S SO SHOW ME AGAIN WHERE IT SAYS REMOVING THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE MAY END AN INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION OR THE PROGRAM.

OKAY. EITHER ONE.

ALL RIGHT. CORRECT. I TEND TO AGREE WITH MAYOR.

I'M NOT SURE THIS IS READY FOR PRIME TIME.

I. MY QUESTION WAS DIGGING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ABOUT ON THE RESOLUTION.

YOU HAVE THIS REFERENCE TO NO COST TO THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. BUT THEN IN THE PAGE THAT FOLLOWS YOU HAVE A RECOGNITION OF FUNDING FOR PROJECTS MAY INCLUDE HONORARIA OR GRANTS IS AVAILABLE, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO MAKE OF THE TWO.

IS THERE HONORARY AVAILABLE OR THERE IS EXPECTED TO BE HONORARIA AVAILABLE?

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AND I THINK I GOT AN EMAIL BEFORE THE MEETING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S KIND OF EXPECTED IN THESE OTHER MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS. THERE WERE VERY VARYING FUNDING SOURCES.

SOME WERE 500, SOME WERE 2500.

IN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS THAT I READ, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OTHER VOLUNTARY POSITIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE DON'T FUND.

SO THAT WAS.

WHAT IS THE WHAT DOES IT PAY? IS IT BY POEM OR? IT'S JUST AN ANNUAL STIPEND, IF YOU WILL, GETS IT.

AND MY THING, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S NOT REALLY FLESHED OUT.

YES. MY THINKING ON THAT WAS THAT.

THERE WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY ANY OUT-OF-POCKET MONEY SPENT BY THE POET LAUREATE IN THE SENSE THAT THEIR OUTREACH, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE COPIES IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOLS, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE SPEND SOME MONEY TO GIVE THINGS OUT. I DON'T FORESEE EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT IT MIGHT.

WELL, THE FIRST YEAR WILL TELL US AND WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY RESERVED IN CASE THAT'S NEEDED.

SO IT'S NOT A SALARY PER POEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S. IT'S MORE JUST WHAT I WOULD SAY TRAVELING.

TRAVEL EXPENSES AND EDUCATION EXPENSES, PRINTING EXPENSES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YOU'RE SENDING THEM TO CONFERENCES.

YOU'RE. OKAY.

I LOVE THE IDEA.

I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON IT THIS EVENING.

I THINK WE HAVE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT THE CONCERNS.

COMMISSIONER VALDES, DID YOU? I WOULD LIKE. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA AS WELL, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF NUTS AND BOLTS, LIKE WE HAVE A POET LAUREATE WHO WRITES A POEM.

HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY REACH THE PEOPLE? DOES IT COME THROUGH SOME DEPARTMENT OF CITY STAFF? IS IT PUBLISHED BY THE CITY? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL MECHANICS OF IT? WELL, MY THOUGHTS WAS THIS WOULD BE KIND OF UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO BEST.

AND SO THEY WOULD MANAGE IT, IF YOU WILL.

AND I MEAN, WE.

WE CAN CERTAINLY TWEAK SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

SURE. AND BRING IT BACK.

BUT I'D LIKE TO BE KIND OF CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE SO I CAN GET IT RIGHT.

AS I HEAR THE CONCERNS, THE VICE MAYOR HAS VOICED A CONCERN ABOUT THIS IDEA OF REIMBURSING EXPENSES.

WE JUST NEED TO FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT.

YES. YOU'VE HEARD SEVERAL CONCERNS HERE ABOUT THE LISTING OF SPECIFIC HOLIDAYS AND THAT WE WOULD LIKE IT MORE BROAD.

AND CANDIDLY, I LIKE THE IDEA.

OF THE POET LAUREATE BEING ABLE TO PRESENT OTHER PEOPLE'S POEMS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE.

I KIND OF SEE THEM ALMOST AS A CULTURAL LEADER HERE, A GUIDE AND NOT ONLY THEIR OWN ORIGINAL WORK, BUT BUT OTHER APPROPRIATE PIECES AS THEY SEE FIT.

WE NEED TO FLESH OUT.

ITEM E, WHICH IS WE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUBLISH WITHOUT COMPENSATION TO THE POET, BUT THAT WE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO OWN THE COPYRIGHT.

YOU JUST WANT THAT CLARIFIED? YES. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITH F THAT WILL MAKE ME HAPPY.

I THINK MY INCLINATION IS THAT WE WOULD JUST STRIKE THE MAYOR SPEAKING SPEAKING INDIVIDUALLY.

I THINK I WOULD BE INCLINED TO STRIKE THAT ENTIRELY.

AND IF IF WE HAVE.

A ROGUE POET.

WE WOULD ADDRESS IT IN OTHER WAYS.

I FEEL OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT WITH IT BEING EXPLICITLY STATED.

OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS? SO JUST A QUESTION, PLEASE.

SO I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS, BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND I HAVEN'T BEEN WALKED THROUGH IT.

BUT WE HAVE A POET LAUREATE WHO WE'VE DESIGNATED OURS OR UNOFFICIAL OF THE CITY, AND THIS POET LAUREATE WILL WRITE POEMS FOR US TO PUBLISH.

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AND THAT'S IT? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WE'RE GOING TO PUBLISH THEM.

THEY ARE GOING TO WRITE POEMS FOR AN EVENT THAT THEY SPEAK AT.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO AN OUTREACH TO THE SCHOOLS.

THEY'RE GOING TO PROMOTE POETRY AND ART.

AND WE, IN EFFECT, ARE GIVING THEM A PLATFORM TO DO THAT.

SO I COULD ENVISION THEM WRITING A POEM FOR CONSTITUTION DAY AND READING IT IN THE PLAZA AS PART OF THE DAR, THE 4TH OF JULY, THE MENENDEZ'S BIRTHDAY, THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT ARE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, THAT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY RICHER, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE REQUIRED, CORRECT ME.

CORRECT. THIS IS JUST HOW I ENVISION IT.

THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED.

CERTAINLY WOULD BE ENCOURAGED.

THEY, THOUGH, OF COURSE, COULD CHOOSE TO READ SOMETHING ELSE.

WE MAY.

THE COLLEGE HAS.

WHILE WE'VE TRADITIONALLY HAD AN INVOCATION AT GRADUATION AND OTHER EVENTS, BENEDICTION AS WELL, THE COLLEGE HAS BECOME MUCH MORE OPEN AND INCLUSIVE, AND WE REGULARLY HAVE POEMS THAT ARE READ AS PART OF GRADUATION IN LIEU OF AN INVOCATION OR BENEDICTION, PERHAPS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT A FUTURE COMMISSION WOULD EXPLORE.

WE WOULD ASK THE POET LAUREATE PERIODICALLY TO COME IN.

AND I THINK THAT'S FABULOUS, BECAUSE I THINK ALL GREAT CHERISHED CITIES HAVE POETS WRITING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL THING.

MY THING WAS BASICALLY SO THE POET LAUREATE THAT WE DESIGNATE IS WE'RE ENDORSING THEIR WORK WHEN THEY'RE IN PUBLIC. IN PUBLIC PLACES.

THEY'RE THERE REPRESENTING THE CITY AS AN OFFICIAL POET LAUREATE OF THE CITY.

AND WE'RE ENDORSING THEIR WHAT THEY READ.

IS THAT CORRECT? AN INDIVIDUAL IN THE PUBLIC COULD CERTAINLY INTERPRET IT THAT WAY.

WHEN THE POET LAUREATE READS AT THE PRESIDENT'S INAUGURATION, I THINK IMPLICITLY WE AS THE VIEWING PUBLIC THINK THAT THIS MESSAGE IN SOME WAY IS ENDORSED, SUPPORTED BY THE PRESIDENT.

OKAY. BUT YET YOU PROPOSE TO REMOVE ANYTHING THAT GIVES THE CITY US WHO WE REPRESENT, THE CITY AND THE CITY GOVERNMENT AN ABILITY TO APPROVE BEFOREHAND, BEFOREHAND.

IF WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT BEFOREHAND.

GOOD HEAVENS.

I DON'T KNOW. I JUST I MEAN, I ABSOLUTELY SEE THE RISK, THE ANXIETY.

SURE. THERE'S A LEAP OF FAITH HERE.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THE NEXT GO ROUND? SURE. YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE PARAGRAPHS YOU LIKE.

HOW IS THAT? OKAY. OKAY.

SO I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE RESOLUTION 2022-18 TO A FUTURE MEETING TO ALLOW CITY STAFF TO MAKE NECESSARY REVISIONS TO THE RESOLUTION.

SECOND, FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY.

MAY I JUST SAY PLEASE DISCUSSION.

JUST ONE COMMENT.

THIS COMMISSIONER HORVATH I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL IDEA, AND IN NO WAY THIS IS JUST LET'S KEEP WORKING ON IT.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

SO, FOLKS, IN THE FUTURE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT OUR OPENING PUBLIC COMMENTS AND OF COURSE, ARE AVAILABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH CITY STAFF OR WITH COMMISSIONERS BY EMAIL.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.

PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. THE RESOLUTION IS TABLED TO FUTURE MEETING.

WE'RE NOW IN RESOLUTION 2022-19.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE MOBILITY FEE ADMINISTRATION MANUAL.

THIS MANUAL WAS STIPULATED AS A REQUIREMENT TO IMPLEMENT MOBILITY FEES.

IT EXPLAINS IN GENERAL THE CONCEPT AND APPLICATION OF THE CITY'S MOBILITY FEE REQUIREMENT AND GENERALLY HOW THEY ARE CALCULATED AND APPLIED.

IT IS BY RESOLUTION SO THAT THE IT IS EASILY AMENDED AS WE WORK WITH THIS NEW PROGRAM SO THAT WE CAN CHANGE IT AND UPDATE IT AS NECESSARY. THANK YOU.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

VICE MAYOR? I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT.

I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS AND IT'S IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORWARD BUT UNDER ON PAGE FOUR UNDER ITEMS, POLICIES, DYNAMIC PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES SUCH AS A VARIABLE RATES FOR PARKING METERS AND B PROGRAMS THAT CAN PROVIDE CITY RESIDENTS PARKING DISCOUNTS OR PRIORITY PARKING IN CERTAIN AREAS.

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THOSE ARE GREAT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE EMPLOYEES PRIORITY.

ALL RIGHT. ONE OF THE THIS IS I'M HEARING THIS MORE AND MORE LIKE WE ALWAYS NEED TO ADDRESS THE EMPLOYEES NEED PARKING AS WELL.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY MEANS WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO REMIND US WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF.

THANK YOU. AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A BEGINNING POINT.

AND AS WE WORK THROUGH AND USE THESE MOBILITY FEES, WE MAY FIND NEEDS TO COME BACK AND TWEAK OUR PROCEDURES.

YES. OKAY.

IS THERE MOTION TO APPROVE? I SO MOVE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THANK YOU. THE RESOLUTION IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU, MS. SKINNER. MR. FRANKLIN? WE'RE ON ITEM 10A REVIEW OF OPTIONS FOR THE FISH ISLAND LOGO.

YES. COULD YOU BE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS? REUBEN FRANKLIN PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF ST.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

AUGUSTINE. I BELIEVE IT WAS BACK IN FEBRUARY.

WE HAD BROUGHT A LOGO FOR FISH ISLAND PRESERVE TO THE COMMISSION AND AFTER DISCUSSION REVIEW IT WAS ASKED FOR US TO GO BACK AND OPEN IT UP TO FOR MORE PUBLIC INPUT.

AND SO WE HAVE DONE THAT.

WE'VE HELD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS.

WE HAVE SOLICITED INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, AND WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS, TWO OPTIONS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.

THE STAFF COMMITTEE FELL ON THE OPTION ONE, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU HERE.

BUT BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAD AT THE MEETING, THE COMMITTEE REACHED BACK OUT TO HYBRID DESIGN THAT THE DESIGN TO INCORPORATE AN ORANGE INTO THE LOGO AND THAT WOULD BE OPTION TWO.

WHICH IS HERE BEFORE YOU.

I CAN TELL YOU THE BASICALLY THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WAS, IS THAT WHEN THE COMMITTEE WAS DISCUSSING IT, THERE ARE NO ORANGES CURRENTLY OUT.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF FISH ISLAND, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD MAKE THAT CONNECTION.

BUT BASED ON A VERY SPIRITED AND INVOLVED PUBLIC INPUT FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE PRESERVE, FELT THAT WE SHOULD BRING BOTH OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO I'M HERE BEFORE YOU SO YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH CREATING PANELS AND FINISHING OUT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR FISH ISLAND.

COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE THAT THE ORANGE NEEDS TO BE ON THE LOGO.

I LOVE THE ORANGE.

I LOVE THE WAY IT BALANCES THE DESIGN.

AND I THANK YOU FOR MY ORANGE, BY THE WAY, WHICH WE ALL GOT ONE HERE TO REMIND US ABOUT ORANGES.

[7.A.1. Presentation by Chancellor, Deacon Mike Elison, Diocese of St. Augustine and Francisco Guitard, Director Instituto Nauta to discuss the installation of the blessing of the newly created sculpture of St. James the Greater, Apostle statue at the Cathedral - Basilica and the delegation trip to Spain in July. (J. Regan, City Manager)]

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, FLORIDA'S AN AGRICULTURAL STATE AND ORANGES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMY.

YES. NO, THERE ARE NOT ORANGES THERE NOW.

BUT I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND ANYBODY WHO'S READ ANY HISTORY ABOUT JESSE FISH, THAT WAS THEY GREW ORANGES.

SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

I LIKE IT. AND I APPRECIATE THE FOLKS MAKING A TWIST IN YOUR ARM ABOUT IT.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

BECAUSE YOU COME TO US, IT'S PRETTY SUBTLE, BUT IT IS A VERY SUBTLE.

YOU KNOW, THOUGHT COMES TO MIND.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT ORANGE IS THE FIRST ORANGE GROUP IN NORTH AMERICA, AT LEAST ON THE MAINLAND.

AND I WONDER IF WE CAN COME BY ANY OLD FLORIDA, WHAT WE CALL BITTER ORANGE, THE ROOTSTOCK WE GRAFT OFF OF.

THEY WOULD LIVE QUITE WELL OUT THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE PLANTED A LITTLE REPRESENTATIVE GROVE ON THE PROPERTY, THOUGH.

NOT AN IDEA. SO ANYWAY, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

I WOULD MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE DESIGN WITH THE ORANGE ON IT.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

FRANKLIN, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS.

THANK YOU. OPTION TWO WITH THE ORANGE IS APPROVED.

COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE NOW ON ITEMS BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU.

ITEMS BY THE CITY CLERK.

I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU.

ITEMS BY THE CITY MANAGER.

I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER HORVATH, YOU HAVE GIVEN US A HANDOUT HERE.

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YES. DATE OF JUNE 13, 2022, AND THE CITY CLERK HAS A COPY OF IT.

YES, IT'S FAIRLY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

ON THE BACK PAGE, YOU WILL SEE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THE CONDITION OF THE FOUNTAIN THAT'S OUT THERE.

IT'S REALLY QUITE A DANGER, I BELIEVE.

I'VE WAITED OUT THERE.

I'VE PUT MY HANDS IN THE AREA WHERE IT'S YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST PHOTO, IT'S GOT MAJOR HOLES IN A WE BELIEVE IT'S AN ALUMINUM CASTING OF THE SWANS AND.

YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS THING IS STILL STANDING.

THERE'S LIKE PERHAPS A POLE IN THE CENTER OF THIS THING GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

BUT WHAT CONDITION IT'S IN, I'M NOT SURE.

I JUST WORRY ABOUT ITS CONDITION.

SO I CONSULTED WITH A COUPLE OF CAST STONE PEOPLE.

I'VE RESEARCHED A VERY QUALIFIED FIRM OUT OF JACKSONVILLE.

WONDERLAND PRODUCTS.

YOU SEE THERE THEIR PROPOSAL ON THE SECOND PAGE.

I'M TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND WHAT WE COULD DO.

WE HAVE SIX OPTIONS AS I SEE IT.

WE CAN REPAIR THE FOUNTAIN.

FOR ABOUT 22,000, WE CAN CREATE A NEW CAST.

STONE REPLICA OF THE FOUNTAIN COULD BE 175,000 PLUS.

WE COULD CREATE A NEW STONE REPLICA WHICH WOULD LAST EVEN LONGER THAN CAST STONE FOR 300 PLUS THOUSAND.

OR WE COULD EVEN GO INTO A BRONZE CASTING.

OH, I'M SORRY. WE COULD GO INTO CAST STONE THAT'S ALREADY PRODUCED.

IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THIS FOUNTAIN, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR.

A THREE TIERED FOUNTAIN IN THE SIMILAR SCALE, WHICH WOULD BE A 97,000 PLUS.

BRONZE, IS OUT OF SIGHT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT PRICE WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE.

AND THEN OUR LAST ONE IS OF COURSE JUST TO REMOVE THE FOUNTAIN AND THE OLD PICTURE SHOW, JUST A BUBBLER SPRAY FOUNTAIN WITH COQUINA BOULDERS AROUND IT.

AND I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER VALDES HIS INPUT ON WHAT THAT MIGHT COST.

I'M DOING A BALLPARK OF $5,000 FOR THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE DIRECTLY CONTINGENT BECAUSE THE OLD BUBBLERS ARE REALLY SPRAYS.

THEY REQUIRE A FAIRLY ADEQUATE VOLUME OF WATER AND MORE VOLUME AND PRESSURE.

BUT PRESSURE IS A WELL, YOU KNOW, IF THE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PIPING SIZE GOING TO THAT CENTER FIXTURE, IT'S PROBABLY UNDERSIZED FOR GETTING A GOOD SPRAY LIKE WE HAVE ON THE OTHER FOUNTAINS.

WE ACTUALLY HAD TO PIPE THE OTHER FOUNTAINS.

TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

THIS SPRAY WOULD HAVE TO BE PROBABLY TWICE AS BIG TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL BASIN THERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SORT OF BETWEEN FIVE AND 10,000.

TO DO THAT, THEY NEED TO REPLICATE THE ORIGINAL ONE.

HAVING SAID THAT, THE EXISTING SCULPTURE OF IN THERE, I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY REMOVE IT TO RESTORE IT, HAVING WORKED WITH CAST IRON A LOT INTO MY LIFE, SOMETIMES YOU GET INTO SOMETHING, IT JUST FALLS APART ON YOU.

I MEAN, $22,000 TO RESTORE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, PARTICULARLY SINCE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 60 YEARS AND HAS HISTORIC.

I DIDN'T REALIZE IT BEEN THERE THAT LONG, BUT IF THAT PRICE SUDDENLY DOUBLES TO 44,000 OR 66,000 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER MIGHT BE, I THINK A FALLBACK POSITION MIGHT BE LOOKING AT REVERTING TO THE ORIGINAL HENRY FLAGLER BUBBLE UP.

THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

YES. WELL, THEY'RE EXPERTS.

AND WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT USING THE PASS THROUGH TO USE A CRANE WHERE THE TRAILER TRAINS GO THROUGH.

WILL BLOCK THAT OFF.

LET THEM USE THEIR CRANE.

THEY'LL BE VERY CAREFUL.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE NEVER SURE.

BUT THERE IS ENOUGH.

I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE ALUMINUM SWANS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO FRAGILE.

THAT'S WHY MOST OF THE MONEY IS AS WE DO THIS ONE.

YEAH, IT IS. AND BUT WE DO THINK WE HAVE THE FABRIC THERE AND THEY'LL BE SUPER CAREFUL, THEY SAID.

SO I FEEL AND I DO FEEL THE PRESSURE TO GET IT DONE WHILE WE.

SO I'VE ASKED IF WE COULD BORROW THE MONEY FROM RESERVES IF WE DECIDE TO GO THAT WAY.

BUT AGAIN, WE COULD KEEP OURSELVES OPEN IF WHEN THEY TAKE IT APART, IT REALLY BECOMES A PROBLEM, THEN WE COULD FALL BACK.

BUT SURELY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE 20, 20, 2000, IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN PULLING THIS OFF AND KEEPING WHAT WE'VE GOT, WHICH EVIDENTLY IS HISTORIC OR 10,000, WHICH IS A SAFE NUMBER TO REPLICATE WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.

SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING 12,000 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

I MEAN, IT'S A DOLLAR A PIECE FOR EACH CITIZEN IN THE CITY.

MY FEELING IS IT'S ICONIC IN THAT IT'S BEEN THERE.

IT'S IN SO MUCH OF OUR LITERATURE, IT'S USED IN SO MANY PHOTOGRAPHS BY TOURISTS AND GUESTS.

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SO I WOULD ALMOST RATHER NOT GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY DONE BECAUSE CREATIVE.

NOT NOT SO.

BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.

AND I THINK WE CAN JUST SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT IF THIS GETS APPROVED TONIGHT.

AND BUT MY FEELING IS THAT WE WOULD APPROVE IT FROM RESERVES AND THEN IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE WOULD REPAY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET THAT TO THE RESERVES.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION, I FEEL PRESSURE TO ACTUALLY GET THIS DONE AND ALSO IT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET IT IN PLACE BEFORE WE REALLY GET BUSY IN OUR HOLIDAY SEASONS.

I SUPPORT THE RESTORATION OF IT, WHICH I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY REPAIR RESTORATION OF THE OK.

I SUPPORT THAT. I'M NOT SURE I SUPPORT TYING THE CITY MANAGER'S HANDS AND WHERE HE FINDS THE BUD THE MONEY TO DO IT.

BUT I'M YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY SAY LET'S TAKE IT OUT OF RESERVES AND DO IT THIS WAY.

JUST DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO TO DO IT, FIND A WAY TO DO IT, BECAUSE I CONSIDER IT AN EMERGENCY REPAIR.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT NUMBER ONE, I THINK.

HORVATH. I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT ON THESE THINGS SO MUCH AND SO GRATEFUL FOR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE ON THIS.

AND I THINK SHE'S PROPOSED A GREAT SOLUTION.

I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE PRICE.

LAST MEETING, WE AND I APOLOGIZED TO YOU AS YOUR MAYOR WHEN IN A VERY TANGLED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ENTRANCE SIGNS. AND I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T HELP US THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION BETTER, BUT THIS FALLS INTO THE EXACT SAME CATEGORY.

WE HAD ALL SORTS OF HEARTBURN TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE COST.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TONIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT COST.

AND SO I'M DELIGHTED TO CONSIDER THIS.

[7.A.2. Presentation by Troy Blevins, President and Mike Davis, Vice President of Home Again St. Johns, Inc. regarding the Home Again St. Johns strategic plan. (T. Upchurch, Mayor)]

BUT I AM NOT GOING I CAN'T I URGE US TO SET THIS ASIDE UNTIL WE HAVE THE PROPOSALS COMING BACK ON THE ENTRANCE SIGNS.

AND WE CAN LOOK AT THESE COLLECTIVELY BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE ARE COSTS THAT GO TO THE BEAUTIFICATION AND PRESERVING THE THE THE.

CULTURAL. SOME DEGREE HAS ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT.

BUT I CAN'T I'M UNWILLING TO CONSIDER THIS IN A VACUUM.

MAYOR, SO I DO RECALL IN MY EARLY DAYS AS A COMMISSIONER, FOLKS COMING TO US ABOUT THE FLAGPOLE IN FRONT OF WHAT IS NOW CASS ARENA, AND WE DID AT THAT TIME CONSIDER IT AN EMERGENCY REPAIR, BUT ALSO AT THE TIME WHAT WE DID AND WE ALSO AND I REMEMBER ANOTHER OCCASION WHERE THE STATUARY OUTSIDE OF THE LAMBIE'S HOUSE WAS ALSO IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR, AND INDIVIDUALS CAME FORWARD AND SAID, DO SOMETHING.

SO I DO.

I DO THINK IT'S.

IT'S NOT A PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE SETTING WITH AN EMERGENCY REPAIR.

BUT I'M TAKING WHAT YOU SAID TO HEART.

SO WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS AT THE RESPONSE AT THE TIME WAS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE WORK, BUT ALSO LET'S TAKE AN INVENTORY OF WHERE WE ARE WITH ALL OF OUR PUBLIC STATUARY AND OBJECTS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE.

BECAUSE IT KIND OF REMINDS US THAT JUST LIKE THE ENTRANCES, WHICH ARE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THEM AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO TAKE BETTER CARE OF THEM SO THAT THEY DON'T LOOK NEGLECTED AND THEY DON'T FALL APART? SO IN A WAY, I'M EXPANDING THE CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN AN INVENTORY IN A LONG TIME AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT OUR STUFF.