4. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FOR AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING

[7.B.1. Informational presentation entitled "Climate Change Archives: Stories of Place, Memory and Identity in St. Augustine" by Professor Bobbie Stewart, Flagler College. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works)]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE OUR GUEST SPEAKER TONIGHT, PROFESSOR BOBBIE STEWART NOLOBOFF WITH THE FLAGLER COLLEGE FLAGSHIP PROGRAM.

WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH FLAGLER COLLEGE A FEW MONTHS AGO AND THEY DID A REALLY INTERESTING STUDY.

I ACTUALLY PUT A COPY OF THE REPORT AND IT'S ON OUR RESILIENCE WEB PAGE NOW, BUT IT'S ST. AUGUSTINE VIEWS AND VOICES, IDENTITY, ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE AND ADAPTATION, AND SO OUT OF THIS REPORT, SHE WAS GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE RESULTS OF THAT, AND I THINK IT'S INTERESTING INFORMATION THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT INTERVIEWS WITH OUR RESIDENTS.

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SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO BOBBIE FOR THE PRESENTATION.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, HI, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR UPCHURCH AND RESILIENCY OFFICER JESSICA BEACH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY AND PROVIDING A FORUM TO SHARE RESIDENTS CONCERNS AROUND CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE IMPACT ON CULTURAL IDENTITY.

BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK OF MY STUDENTS IN MY COURSE IN JANUARY. I HAD SEVEN STUDENTS AS PART OF MY FLAGSHIP COURSE.

MY COURSE IS TITLED CLIMATE CHANGE ARCHIVES STORIES OF PLACE, MEMORY AND IDENTITY IN ST.

AUGUSTINE, AND THESE SEVEN STUDENTS DID A LOT OF WORK OVER TWO WEEKS TO ANALYZE THE DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED DURING AN ONLINE SURVEY, AND SO WITHOUT THEIR HELP, THESE RESULTS WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. SO I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR WORK.

OKAY, SO TO START, I'LL JUST FIRST TALK ABOUT THE COURSE.

THE FOCUS OF THE COURSE WAS REALLY ON THE INTERSECTION OF ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE AND CULTURAL IDENTITY.

THE OBJECTIVES WERE TO INVESTIGATE CULTURAL IDENTITY OF ST AUGUSTINIANS, IN PARTICULAR, IN THE CONTEXT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES.

WE REALLY WANTED TO COLLECT STORIES OF OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES OVER TIME. SO WE ASKED PEOPLE THEIR STORIES WHAT SORT OF EXPERIENCES HAVE YOU HAD WITH ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE OVER YEARS? WE REALLY WANTED TO IDENTIFY AREAS OF CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO ST.

AUGUSTINIANS, COMPARE THOSE EXPERIENCES ALONG DIVERSITY METRICS.

SO WE ASKED VERY TARGETED DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AROUND RACIAL, ETHNIC BACKGROUND AGE HOW MANY YEARS THEY HAD LIVED IN ST AUGUSTINE.

WE WANTED TO GAUGE PUBLIC ATTITUDES ON CONCERN LEVEL REGARDING RESILIENCE AND ADAPTATION AND OUR METHODOLOGY, WE EMPLOYED AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT WE SENT OUT THROUGH NEWS AND NOTES AND THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

BETWEEN MID-NOVEMBER TO MID-DECEMBER.

WE FOLLOWED UP WITH THOSE ONLINE SURVEY RESULTS WITH PHONE INTERVIEWS.

SO MY STUDENTS CONDUCTED PHONE INTERVIEWS BETWEEN JANUARY 6TH AND JANUARY 9TH, AND THIS COMPRISED AROUND 20 INTERVIEWS, AND WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK ALL OF THAT DATA WHICH AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN THE ONLINE SURVEY, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS WERE 173, AND WE TOOK THAT DATA, WE ANALYZED IT, WE CAME UP WITH THEMES FROM DIRECT QUOTES FROM THOSE PARTICIPANTS, AND WE USE WE EMPLOYED SORT OF A THEORETICAL FRAMEWORK TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS TO BE A CITIZEN OF ST.

AUGUSTINE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IDENTITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FRAMEWORK HERE, THIS SORT OF TRIANGLE YOU SEE HERE, THAT IDENTITY AS ARTICULATED BY A PROFESSOR IN AUSTRALIA WHO STUDIES IDENTITY IN THE CONTEXT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THREE COMPONENTS, YOU CAN KIND OF DISTILL THAT TO COME UP WITH THIS PORTRAIT OF IDENTITY.

WE HAVE THE PHYSICAL COMPONENTS.

SO IF YOU IMAGINE SOMETHING LIKE CASTILLO DE SAN MARCOS AND THEN THE ACTIVITIES, SO WHAT SORT OF ACTIVITIES HAPPEN AROUND THAT PHYSICAL SPACE AND THEN WHAT SORT OF SYMBOLS AND MEANINGS DO PEOPLE ASCRIBE TO THOSE PLACES? IF WE STUDY THOSE THINGS AS COMPONENTS, YOU CAN THEN GET A BETTER PORTRAIT OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A ST.

AUGUSTINE CITIZEN.

IN TERMS OF NUMBERS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT PARTICIPATED.

AGAIN, WE HAD AROUND 173 AT ANY GIVEN QUESTION THAT PARTICIPATED.

THOSE NUMBERS VARIED.

OF COURSE, THE MOST PARTICIPANTS CAME FROM ANASTASIA ISLAND.

WE HAD 84 PARTICIPANTS.

THE NEXT SECTOR WOULD BE UP TEN AND NORTH CITY COMPRISED AROUND 43.

DOWNTOWN IN LINCOLNVILLE WAS AROUND 38 AND RAVENSWOOD OYSTER CREEK AREA COMPRISED AROUND EIGHT, AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT AT THIS TIME JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS SURVEY IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE AT ALL OF THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. IT'S JUST A VERY SMALL SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION.

MOST PEOPLE IN THIS SURVEY IDENTIFIED AS WHITE.

I THINK THERE WERE 85% OF PEOPLE WHO IDENTIFIED AS WHITE.

MOST HAD AN INCOME OF $121,000 A YEAR OR MORE, AND MOST OF THEM WERE RESIDENTS WHO HAD LIVED IN ST. AUGUSTINE FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

SO THAT PAINTS A PORTRAIT OF THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT WERE FILLING OUT THE SURVEY ONLINE.

OKAY, SO NOW WHEN WE GET INTO THE DATA, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS WE ASKED WAS AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION. WE ASKED PARTICIPANTS WHO WERE ALL CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE RESIDENTS. HOW DOES THE ENVIRONMENT OR SENSE OF PLACE SHAPE YOUR IDENTITY? WE WANTED IT TO BE BROAD AND OPEN ENDED JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT WE WOULD GET, AND IN THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, YOU'LL SEE WE FOLLOWED UP WITH A MUCH MORE TARGETED RESPONSE AND PROVIDING THEM WITH BOXES TO CHECK BUT WHEN WE ASKED THEM THAT QUESTION, WHAT WE FOUND IS THERE WERE THEMES THAT RESONATED AROUND LANDMARKS, RIGHT? SO VERY PARTICULAR PLACES IN ST.

AUGUSTINE WERE VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.

ALSO THIS CONCEPT OF COMMUNITY AND AROUND CONCEPTS OF FREEDOM.

SO A LOT OF ST.

AUGUSTINE RESIDENTS IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO LIVE IN A PLACE, A SMALL TOWN THAT EMANATES SINCE A SENSE OF FREEDOM AND SLOW PACED LIFESTYLE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT GROWTH ISSUES IN THE AREA AND MOBILITY, AND OF

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COURSE, THEY HAVE A VERY SORT OF RESPONSIBLE ORIENTATION TOWARD TAKING CARE OF THE LAND THE WATER AROUND THEM.

NOW, WHEN WE WHEN WE DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND WE ASKED THEM BY WAY OF CHECKBOXES WHAT SORT OF ACTIVITIES REFLECT YOUR IDENTITY? WE PROVIDED THEM WITH A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

SO ONE OF THEM WAS VISITING HISTORIC CULTURAL SITES.

ANOTHER WAS PARTICIPATING IN WATER ACTIVITIES SUCH AS BOATING, FISHING, GOING TO THE BEACH. A THIRD WAS ATTENDING CULTURAL EVENTS SUCH AS FESTIVALS AND TALKS, AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS FARMING AND THEN OTHER WAS ANOTHER BOX WHERE THEY COULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART, OVERWHELMINGLY PEOPLE YOU KNOW, THEY LIKE THE WATER. THE WATER MEANS SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL TO THEM.

SO BEING ABLE TO ENGAGE IN BOATING, FISHING, GOING TO THE BEACH, HISTORIC CULTURAL SITES, SO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE LEARNED IN THEIR OWN WORDS AND COMMENT SECTIONS AND THE PREVIOUS QUESTION HAD BEEN VALIDATED OR AFFIRMED.

THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION WHERE WE GAVE THEM VERY SPECIFIC BOXES TO TICK, AND IN THE PHONE CALLS, MY STUDENTS IN JANUARY CALLED AROUND 20 RESIDENTS IN ST.

AUGUSTINE, AND THESE WERE RESIDENTS WHO HAD TAKEN THE ONLINE SURVEY WHO WERE WILLING AND WANTING TO PROVIDE MORE FEEDBACK.

MY STUDENTS ASKED THEM THREE PARTS OF A QUESTION.

ONE, WHAT AREAS OF ST.

AUGUSTINE ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT AREAS TO YOU? WHAT DO YOU DO THERE AND WHAT MEANINGS, FEELINGS OR VALUES DO YOU HAVE WITH THOSE VERY PARTICULAR PLACES? IN THIS ORDER, WE LEARNED THAT THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS VERY SPECIAL TO OUR RESIDENTS.

THE BAYFRONT IS ALSO VERY SPECIAL, AS WELL AS THE LIGHTHOUSE AND THE BEACHES.

OUR RESIDENTS FEEL THAT DOWNTOWN REPRESENTS HISTORY AND HERITAGE.

THERE'S THIS REALLY JUST DESIRED ESTHETIC APPEAL.

FAMILY IS EMBODIED IN PLACES LIKE THE LIGHTHOUSE.

THE LIGHTHOUSE IS ALSO AN ICONIC STRUCTURE, AS IS THE CASTILLO DE SAN MARCOS, THAT REALLY RESONATES WITH WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A ST.

AUGUSTINE AND THE BEACHES, ALTHOUGH THAT'S OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THE BOUNDS OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, THE BEACHES CAME UP, OF COURSE, AS A WAY THAT PEOPLE ENGAGE WITH WATER AND THE LAND VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THE SENSE OF SELF IN ST.

AUGUSTINE. ANOTHER WAY THAT WE EXPLORED CULTURAL IDENTITY IS TO ASK RESIDENTS WHAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS TO THE LAND/WATER IN ST.

AUGUSTINE. BECAUSE ANY TIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CULTURAL IDENTITY, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE FOR GRANTED HOW PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE IN RELATION TO OTHER ELEMENTS, AND BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXPLORATION RESEARCH PROJECT FOCUSED ON A SENSE OF PLACE.

IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ASK THEM AND TO PROVIDE CHOICES.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WHAT SORT OF RELATIONSHIP DO YOU HAVE TO YOUR TOWN? AND AS YOU CAN SEE, OVERWHELMINGLY THE RESPONSE THAT PEOPLE CHOSE WAS TO LAND/WATER AS A FRAGILE RESOURCE THAT I SHOULD TRY TO PROTECT.

SO RIGHT THERE, OUR RESIDENTS ARE STATING THAT THERE'S A DESCRIPTOR THAT'S AN ADJECTIVE THAT IN WHICH THEY CONCEIVE THIS SENSE OF PLACE, AND THAT IS ONE THAT IS FRAGILE AND DELICATE, AND ALSO THERE'S A SENSE OF OBLIGATION AMONG ST.

AUGUSTINIANS THAT THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE LAND, AND PERHAPS PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THE OTHER CHOICES, BUT THE OTHER ONES WERE AROUND THIS LAND/WATER IS A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS OR SPIRITUAL CONNECTION FOR ME.

THE LAND/WATER IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE OF MY FAMILY TIES THAT ARE HERE.

THERE'S ANOTHER CHOICE AROUND.

IT'S THE HOME OF MY COMMUNITY, OF PEOPLE, AND THE LEAST CHOSEN CHOICE WAS THE LAND IS A FINANCIAL RESOURCE FOR ME.

IN OTHER WORDS, I RELY ON IT FOR FINANCIAL GAIN.

SO EVEN IF PEOPLE WOULD PERHAPS HAVE AIRBNBS OR THEY HAVE BUSINESSES HERE, THAT'S NOT HOW THEY PERCEIVE THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THEIR LAND.

THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE LAND HAS TO DO WITH A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY, AND THAT IT'S FRAGILE, DELICATE RESOURCE, AND ALSO WHEN WE DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, VOICES IN RELATIONSHIP TO LAND/WATER.

WHAT CAME UP AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I REPORTED TO THE COUNTY IN LATE JANUARY, THERE WERE 44 INSTANCES WHERE RESIDENTS REPORTED THAT THEY FELT THAT LAND/WATER IN ST.

AUGUSTINE WAS THE SUBJECT OF MISUSE OR MISMANAGEMENT, AND IN PARTICULAR, THEY POINTED TO INSTANCES OF MOBILITY ISSUES, TRAFFIC AND OVERDEVELOPMENT.

THEY FELT THAT THE TOWN USED TO BE A CERTAIN WAY 20 YEARS AGO, AND NOW THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DRIVE DOWNTOWN AND ENJOY THE WONDERFUL THINGS OF DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY TOURISTS AND IT'S NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE, AND SO THERE WERE 44 CASES OF THAT WHEN WE WERE DIGGING THROUGH THE DATA AND THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY WHERE RESIDENTS IN OUR AREA FEEL THAT MORE COULD BE DONE TO MANAGE THE GROWTH CONCERNS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE AREA. OKAY, IN THE NEXT QUESTION, WE ASKED RESIDENTS EXPERIENCES WITH SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES.

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THIS PERHAPS IS NO SURPRISE TO YOU, BUT RESIDENTS OVERWHELMINGLY CHOSE THAT FLOODING IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DEAL WITH ON A PERSONAL BASIS.

CLOSELY BEHIND THAT, WE HAVE FREQUENT, EXTREME NATURAL DISASTERS AND HOTTER TEMPERATURES.

WE ASKED THEM THE QUESTION, DO THESE EFFECTS IMPACT YOUR EXPERIENCE? AROUND 83% SAID THAT THESE THINGS AFFECT THEIR EXPERIENCE.

97 PEOPLE RESPONDED TO THIS QUESTION AND THEY COULD CHOOSE AS MANY OPTIONS AS THEY PREFERRED. OKAY.

I'LL TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME SPECIFIC QUOTES IN PEOPLE'S OWN WORDS, WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES THEN AND NOW.

QUOTE FROM ONE RESIDENT.

THE SMALL TOWN ATMOSPHERE HAS CHANGED SINCE I FIRST CAME HERE.

THE TRAFFIC INCREASED AND KEEPS ME FROM PARTICIPATING AND ENJOYING CITY ACTIVITIES.

20 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD ANNUALLY GET AT LEAST TWO GOOD FREEZES.

NOW THAT TWO HAS CHANGED AND WE HAVE MANGROVES OVERTAKING OUR SALT MARSHES.

KING TIDES AND RISING WATER THREATEN THE HISTORY, LIVABILITY AND COMMERCE OF THE CITY.

PEOPLE MOVED HERE FROM THE NORTH TO GET AWAY FROM THE OVERCROWDING, AND NOW WE HAVE BECOME THE SAME.

OKAY, AND TOWARD THE END OF THE SURVEY, WE ASKED ABOUT RESIDENTS CONCERN OF CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTS.

WE ASKED PEOPLE TO SORT OF CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE HOW CONCERNED THEY WERE ABOUT CHANGES. ONE IS I AM NOT AT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS, AND FIVE IS I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE TO ST.

AUGUSTINE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, 88 OF 118 PEOPLE SAID THEY ARE MORE THAN SOMEWHAT OR VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE TO ST AUGUSTINE.

I ALSO WANT TO NOTE FROM AN OBJECTIVE POINT OF VIEW, THERE WERE ALSO PEOPLE WHO JUST COMPLETELY DENIED THAT THERE WERE ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE IMPACTS HAPPENING AND SO THERE WERE 16 INDIVIDUALS THAT MARKED THEY ARE NOT AT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I'M JUST GOING TO SKIP SOME OF THESE IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME.

ADAPTATIONS BY RESOURCES BY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ASK THE QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE RESOURCES, FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE YOU NEED TO ADAPT TO ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE IMPACTS? 72 OUT OF 118 RESPONDENTS SAID PROBABLY OR YES, DEFINITELY.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND, AS I MENTIONED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION, THAT MOST RESPONDENTS TO THE SURVEY MARKED THAT THEY THAT THEY HAVE AN INCOME OF 121,000 A YEAR OR MORE, SO IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ADAPT AND ALL THIS INFORMATION WILL BE IN THE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.

WE ASKED THE QUESTION, DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW OTHERS WHO HAVE MOVED DUE TO IMPACTS? 58% SAID YES, AND WHEN WE ASKED SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY WE HAD AROUND 74% SAY 1 TO 5 PEOPLE , AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT OVER TIME THAT MAY OR MAY NOT GROW, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT THAT WITH ANOTHER STUDY TO FOLLOW UP TO SEE IF THAT NUMBER HAS INCREASED.

SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR ST.

AUGUSTINE IDENTITY? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT IDENTITY IN THE CONTEXT OF PLACE, WHAT WE FIND IS WE HAVE VALUES SUCH AS HISTORICAL APPRECIATION, LAND/WATER AS A PRECIOUS RESOURCE, ICONIC STRUCTURES, SYMBOLS, SENSE OF FREEDOM, DUTY TO PLACE.

SQORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS GROWTH HAPPENING, SEA LEVEL RISE, FLOODING, ECOLOGICAL SHIFTS, HOTTER TEMPERATURES, GROWTH, POPULATION, TOURISM, DEVELOPMENT, AND HERE WE ARE RIGHT EXISTING IN THIS AND TRYING TO ADAPT AND CHANGE AND MANAGE THIS CHANGE.

WELL, WHY DOES ALL THIS MATTER? WELL, LANDSCAPE IS A LIVING LINK BETWEEN WHAT WE WERE AND WHAT WE HAVE BECOME.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE FEEL SUCH A PROFOUND AND DISPROPORTIONATE ANGUISH WHEN A LOVED LANDSCAPE IS ALTERED OUT OF RECOGNITION, WE LOSE NOT ONLY A PLACE BUT OURSELVES, A CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE SHIFTING PHASES OF OUR LIFE.

WHEN WE LOOK TO APPLYING THIS DATA TO ACTION, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO CONSIDER, IS IF WHEN YOU DO YOUR OWN DATA COLLECTION TO PLEASE USE DIVERSE METHODS TO CAPTURE THE DIVERSE VOICES OF OUR CITY, BECAUSE SOMETIMES ONLINE SURVEYS DON'T ALWAYS CAPTURE ALL THE VOICES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

PERHAPS YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE VERY SPECIFIC CULTURAL SITES, PERHAPS INFORMED BY THIS DATA.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR THE CITY TO REALLY ARTICULATE CLEARLY THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND ROLES BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY, BECAUSE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, RESIDENTS WEREN'T REALLY SURE WHAT FELL IN THE DOMAIN OF COUNTY VERSUS CITY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? OH, I HAVE COMMENTS.

WELL, THAT WAS JUST A GLOWING REVIEW.

I'M BEING SILLY, BUT I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE SENSE OF CHANGE AND THE INCREASING SENSE OF CHANGE AND CONGESTION, BUT I JUST COULDN'T LET THIS PASS. YOU HAD MENTIONED IN ONE OF YOUR SLIDES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

YOU TALKED ABOUT LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THE SLIDE.

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JUST THE DIFFERENT AREAS, AND YOU SAID, THE BEACHES, THE AREA OF BEACHES, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY PERTAIN TO WHATEVER, BUT ACTUALLY, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE A VERY LARGE PART OF ANASTASIA STATE PARK FALLS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, AND SO AND IT'S GOT ONE OF THE HIGHEST VISITATIONS IN THE STATE.

SO WE NEED TO REMIND OURSELVES, YES, YES, WE DO HAVE WATER.

WATER IS A PART OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE ARE IN A VERY BIG PART JUST HAPPENS TO BE MANAGED BY THE STATE.

RIGHT, IT'S ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE RESIDENTS--IN THE RECREATIONAL SENSE.

THE PARK IS THERE FOR RECREATION OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT VENUES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK IT ALL APPLIES.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT CUT OUT.

NO, THANK YOU. I WANTED TO SAY BUT IT'S NOT ONLY JUST BEACHES.

I MEAN, WE HAVE WATER, WE HAVE THE INTERCOASTAL, WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS, SALT RUN AND ALL OF THAT, PEOPLE GO OUT ON THAT TOO AND OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE ON ITEM 8A1 ORDINANCE 2022-07.

[8.A.1. Ordinance 2022-07: Updates land development regulations related to home-based businesses. (A. Skinner, Director Planning and Building)]

MS. SKINNER.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

YES, GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS AMY SKINNER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 2022-07. THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE ZONING CODE AND HOME BASED BUSINESSES.

THIS ORDINANCE UPDATES OUR CODE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LEGISLATION REMOVING SOME REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS REGARDING WHAT WE CALLED HOME OCCUPATIONS OR PRIVATE HOME OFFICES. THIS ORDINANCE WAS REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND APPROVED FOR FIRST READING ON MARCH 14TH.

THIS IS A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE 2022-07.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS, BUT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ORDINANCE.

SEEING NO ONE HAVING NO CARDS, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONERS. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

PLEASE. OH, I MOVE THAT WE PASS ORDINANCE 2022-07 ON SECOND READING READ BY TITLE ONLY AND PASSED.

SECOND.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-07 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 28, SECTION 28-2 TO PROVIDE A DEFINITION FOR HOME BASED BUSINESS AMENDING CODE SECTIONS 28-161, 28-162, 28-163, 28-164, 28-165, 28-166, 28-167, 28-183, 28-184, 28-185, 28-187, 28-206, 28-207, 28-208, 28-209, 28-226, 28-246 TO ALLOW FOR HOME BASED BUSINESS AS A PERMITTED USE AMENDING SECTION 28-347 TO MODIFY SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CODE OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DEBATE? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THE ORDINANCE PASSES.

COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 9A.

[CA.9. Approval of License for use of City right-of-way at 509 Ponce de Leon Blvd. South. (R. Franklin, Director Public Works)]

MR. REGAN, IS THAT YOU OR MS. LOPEZ? WHO'S GOING TO HANDLE THAT? MR. JOHNSON, ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR.

MR. JOHNSON.

MR. MAYOR, I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE PLACEHOLDER POSITION FOR [INAUDIBLE] VALDES IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

YES, THIS IS THE JOHN VALDES ISSUE.

OH, I'M SORRY, I CUED UP THE WRONG PERSON, BUT WE WANT TO SEE IF MR. JOHNSON CAN HANDLE IT.

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YES, I WOULD SECOND THAT IF THAT'S AN INFORMAL MOTION.

MR. FRANKLIN IS MOVING.

YEAH, I'M SO SORRY.

HAVING SAID THAT, I'LL RECUSE.

YES, MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA.

GOOD, EVENING, MAYOR.

WE HAVE A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR JUST A WOODEN ACCESS WALKWAY THAT IS SLIGHTLY IN CITY RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, NOT A BIG DEAL IF WE EVER GO IN TO APPROVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S REVOCABLE AND WE CAN WORK ON DESIGN AROUND THE ACCESS TO THE FOOD TRUCK PARK. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT IS SOMETIMES THESE THINGS DO HAPPEN AND IT WAS NICE OF COMMISSIONER VALDES TO COME IN ONCE HE REALIZED THAT IT WAS BUILT IN THE RIGHT WAY. WE APPROVE LICENSE AGREEMENTS WITH SOME REGULARITY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LICENSE AGREEMENT.

I SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION, AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HORVATH.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, IF YOU'D PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

VALDES RECUSED HIMSELF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. FRANKLIN. NOW, MR.

[10.A. Discussion regarding American Rescue Plan Act ARPA) Spending plan. (G. Johnson, Deputy Director Finance)]

JOHNSON. HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? GOOD, WE'RE ON ITEM 10A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.

OKAY, GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, MADAM VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING COLLABORATIVELY SINCE AUGUST ON DEVELOPING A SPENDING PLAN FOR RECOMMENDED ITEMS AND USES OF THE ARPA FUNDING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

WE'VE COME TO YOU AND SOUGHT COMMISSION FEEDBACK ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS AS WELL AS PUBLIC FEEDBACK. I'M GOING TO SLIDE DOWN JUST A BIT HERE.

OKAY, THIS RIGHT HERE SHOWS A TIMELINE OF OUR EVENTS RELATED TO ARPA.

SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, TREASURY HAS ALLOWED FOR ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY IN RELATION TO THE REVENUE LOSS SECTION OF THIS GRANT.

HOWEVER, STAFF FEELS THAT THE SPENDING PLAN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE CONTAINS PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED, IMPACTFUL, FIT THE LIABILITY REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS CAN BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE TIMEFRAME.

WE WILL BRING ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO YOU AT A FUTURE MEETING IF THOSE WERE TO OCCUR.

AT THIS TIME, WE'RE PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE, AND IF THERE ARE NONE, WE WOULD LIKE YOUR APPROVAL ON THE CURRENT SPENDING PLAN, WHICH I WILL LEAVE ON THE SCREEN.

THANK VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? YES, COMMISSIONER BLONDER.

I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE POINT THAT WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT ON SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS. I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT GENERATE A REPLACEMENT WOULD HELP WITH REDUCING FLOOD IMPACTS.

AM I RIGHT? I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT. THE GENERATOR IS CRITICAL FOR THE RESILIENCE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] IN A FLOOD. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

SO IF WE LOSE POWER, THE GENERATOR AUTOMATICALLY KICKS ON.

GREAT, AND THE STORM WATER MASTERPLAN OBVIOUSLY WOULD HELP US GET VERY MUCH FURTHER ALONG ON ADDRESSING OUR STORM WATER CHALLENGES AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE WEST AUGUSTINE SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSION IS JUST REALLY IMPACTFUL TO THAT COMMUNITY, AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PLAN AS WE SEE IT PRESENTED.

OKAY, IS THAT A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO JUST COMMENT, SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THOSE SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSION, SO WE HAVE $2 MILLION FROM ARPA FUNDS IN HERE AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER--WHAT DID THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE APPROPRIATE? ANOTHER 3 MILLION FOR US? WE CURRENTLY HAVE 2 MILLION IN THE STATE BUDGET AS AN APPROPRIATION WAITING FOR FINAL APPROVAL BY GOVERNOR DE SANTIS.

YEAH, SO THE GOVERNOR NEEDS TO SIGN THE BUDGETS AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US $4 MILLION; SO, THAT'LL BE REALLY AWESOME.

IT'S ON TOP OF THE CURRENT CIP SPENDING AS WELL.

I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU.

THAT'S ON TOP OF THE CURRENT CIP SPENDING AS WELL AS THE CITY CURRENTLY.

YES, OKAY.

IN THE BORROWING ISSUE THAT WE DID A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, OR THE 13 MILLION BORROWING ON UTILITY OF DEBT INCLUDED ANOTHER ROUGHLY 2.5 MILLION.

WE HAVE ABOUT 7.5 MILLION ASSUMING THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNS THE BUDGET THAT IS ASSOCIATED TO THE SEPTIC SEWER CONVERSION AND ACROSS ALL SOURCES.

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THAT'S AMAZING. THAT'S AMAZING.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD, AND I WISH THAT GREG WHITE AND D.

WILLIS COULD HAVE BEEN HERE TO HEAR THIS REPORT, BUT I'M SURE THEY'LL HEAR ABOUT IT EVENTUALLY. SO I THINK THIS IS A WISE USE OF THE DOLLARS.

I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR IT AT THE LAST WORKSHOP, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF APPROPRIATING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT WORKSHOPS AND NOT PUBLIC MEETING--WELL, IT'S NOT A MEETING, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE DO OUR BUSINESS.

SO THANK YOU, AND I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPENDING PLAN.

THANK YOU, AND, COMMISSIONER, BLONDER SECONDS.

IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE PUT INTO THIS.

I KNOW DECIPHERING THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS CAN BE A MOVING TARGET, AND I CONCUR WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A RESPONSIBLE SPENDING PLAN FOR WHAT ARGUABLY WILL BE A ONCE IN A LIFETIME WINDFALL.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

THE MOTION IS APPROVED AND THE SPENDING PLAN IS APPROVED , AND WE'RE ALL SO CALM ABOUT THAT.

WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE ALL SO CALM ABOUT IT.

[CHUCKLING] WHOA, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL.

MR. BIRCHIM, WE'RE ON ITEM 10B AFFORDABLE WORK FORCE HOUSING AND SITE LOCATION DISCUSSION.

[10.B. Affordable housing and site location discussion. (D. Birchim, Assistant City Manager)]

YES, SIR, LET ME GET MYSELF ORGANIZED HERE.

AGAIN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS DAVID BIRCHIM.

THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES ARE MOVING FORWARD, AND WITH YOUR GUIDANCE, WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS TONIGHT.

ON JANUARY 24TH, YOU GOT A FIRST LOOK AT THREE CITY PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. THE FIRST IS AT 450 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD.

ON THE OVERHEAD, YOU CAN SEE AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT PROPERTY.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY.

SINCE YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE.

THAT PROPERTY IS A LITTLE OVER 82 ACRES IN SIZE.

IT'S GOT SOME MANMADE PONDS THAT ARE A TOTAL OF ABOUT 26 ACRES.

WE DO NOT HAVE A SURVEY, BUT WE HAVE CONTACTED SOMEONE WHO CAN SURVEY THE PROPERTY FOR US. WE'RE ESTIMATING THERE'S PROBABLY 40 OR MORE ACRES OF UPLANDS ON THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE PROJECTING A DENSITY OF MORE THAN 500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS POTENTIALLY FOR THAT PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY USED AS STORAGE FOR OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WITH GRAVEL AND S AND CONDUITS FOR UTILITIES PROJECTS.

SEWER SERVICE IS NOT AVAILABLE AND THE PROPERTY IS IN ST JOHN'S COUNTY.

IT HAS AN OPEN RURAL ZONING DESIGNATION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED AND IT ALSO HAS AN UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL C.

THAT'S THE FIRST SITE.

THE SECOND SITE THAT YOU LOOKED AT IS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS AT 865 FISH ISLAND ROAD, AND ON THE OVERHEAD, YOU CAN SEE THAT SHADED AREA ON THE OVERHEAD PHOTOGRAPH. IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT OF THE SHADED AREA, THAT'S THE ANASTASIA LAKES COMMUNITY, AND ABOVE OR TO THE NORTH OF THAT SHADED AREA WOULD BE THE ANTIGUA COMMUNITY.

THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 31 ACRES.

IT INCLUDES ABOUT SIX AND A HALF ACRES OF WETLANDS.

THERE ARE THREE STORMWATER RETENTION PONDS ON THE PROPERTY.

ONE OF THOSE WE BELIEVE IS A DOT POND.

IN ABOUT 0.4 ACRES IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY IS A LARGE TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER.

PART OF THAT TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER SERVES EMERGENCY SERVICES.

THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND THERE'S A THREE ACRE SITE WHERE THERE'S THE DECOMMISSIONED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IS NO LONGER IN SERVICE.

WE DO NOT HAVE A SURVEY OF THIS PROPERTY EITHER, BUT WE BELIEVE THERE'S A PROBABLY AROUND 24 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE UPLANDS ON THIS SITE, WHICH COULD.

PRODUCE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 384 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

NOW, THIS SITE IS A FORMER LANDFILL, SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT OF THAT AND THE MITIGATION OF THAT.

IT'S AN UNACCEPTABLE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT, PLANT BUILDING AND INFRASTRUCTURE. IT HAS ACCESS TO MIZELL ROAD, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO STATE ROAD 312.

STATE ROAD 312 IS A LIMITED ACCESS STATE HIGHWAY.

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WE DO HAVE CITY UTILITIES IN THE AREA, SO THAT IS ONE BENEFIT TO THIS PROPERTY.

THE ZONING IS GOVERNMENT USE, AND THE UNDERLYING LAND USE IS PUBLIC.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF WE WERE TO TRANSFER TITLE TO THIS PROPERTY TO A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OR DEVELOPER, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS HERE.

THE THIRD SITE IS REALLY A COMPANION SITE TO THIS.

IT IS 800 PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE S.

IT'S ABOUT 2.3 ACRES IN SIZE.

IT HAS A SEWER LIFT STATION.

IF I GO BACK.

THAT'S THE SEWER LIFT STATION RIGHT THERE WHERE I DREW WITH MY FINGER.

IT HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO PLANTATION ISLAND DRIVE SOUTH.

IT'S ADJACENT TO SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, A PHARMACY AND A BANK.

THERE ARE SOME CONDOMINIUMS NEARBY.

THE ALLEGRO SENIOR HOUSING IS NEARBY.

IT IS SPLIT ZONING, GOVERNMENT USE AND COMMERCIAL MEDIUM TWO, AND IT HAS SPLIT UNDERLYING LAND USE WITH PUBLIC USE AND COMMERCIAL MEDIUM INTENSITY.

ON ITS OWN, THIS SITE COULD ACHIEVE PROBABLY 36 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT LIFT STATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.

SO IF WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE SITES, STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO DEVELOP THE HOLMES BOULEVARD SITE, AND HERE'S WHY.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOLMES BOULEVARD SITE.

ONE REASON IT'S LARGER SO IT CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

IT HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO HOMES BOULEVARD.

THAT'S AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE IT'S EASIER ACCESS TO STATE ROAD 207 AND STATE ROAD 16.

IT'S NEAR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND SCHOOLS, AND ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE A SEWER CONNECTION NOW, IF WE WERE TO RUN A FORCE MAIN TO THIS PROPERTY FOR SEWER SERVICE.

THAT CONNECTION WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVE THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN THE ROAD.

NOW, FULL DISCLOSURE, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE CANNOT CONNECT DIRECTLY TO A SEWER FORCE MAIN. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE LIFT STATIONS THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD HAVE TO GRAVITY SEWER TOO, BUT THAT POSSIBILITY WOULD EXIST IF WE SERVED THIS SITE WITH SEWER, AND ALSO DOWN THE ROAD, THIS LOOKS LIKE A GOOD SITE FOR A PUBLIC TRANSIT STOP BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE UNIVERSITY OR THE STATE COLLEGE NEARBY, THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER PLAZA NEARBY AND STATE ROUTE 16, AND FINALLY, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE LANDFILL ISSUES THAT THE FISH ISLAND SITE HAS, AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A CELL TOWER THAT HAS TO BE DESIGNED AROUND.

I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT CELL TOWER IS NOT GOING TO BE MOVED ANY TIME SOON, AND THE FISH ISLAND SITE IS IN A HURRICANE EVACUATION ZONE AND THE HOLMES BOULEVARD SITE IS NOT.

FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING 450 NORTH HOMES BOULEVARD AS THE PREFERRED SITE.

SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TONIGHT IS TO SELECT A SITE FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO TO MOVE SOME MONEY OUT OF RESERVES FOR PURCHASING THE SURVEY.

FOR HIRING A CONSULTANT.

FOR PAYING FOR A CHARRETTE, AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM, IT'S A FRENCH TERM.

I THINK IT MEANS LITTLE WAGON OR SMALL WAGON, BUT IT'S A DESIGN WORKSHOP, AND THE PROCESS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE WAY I ENVISION IT, WE WOULD HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE SORT OF DAY AT HOMES BOULEVARD IF YOU SELECTED THIS SITE-- THE SAME WOULD BE TRUE FOR THE FISH ISLAND SITE--WHERE YOU WOULD INVITE THE PUBLIC TO COME OUT TO THE SITE, MAYBE ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON OR SATURDAY MORNING, TO WALK THE SITE WITH US. WE'D HAVE POLICE OFFICERS THERE FOR SECURITY, ETC.

. AFTER THE PUBLIC HAD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THE SITE, WHICHEVER SITE YOU SELECT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A CHARRETTE, WHICH IS A DESIGN WORKSHOP, AN INTERACTIVE WORKSHOP WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A HOST THAT WOULD WALK THE COMMUNITY THROUGH AN EXERCISE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, AND WE WOULD HAVE [INAUDIBLE] THE SURVEY WOULD TELL US THE

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TOTAL DENSITY THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE FOR EITHER SITE, AND THAT WOULD LEAD THE CHARRETTE TO HOW MANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS OR WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS OR MARKET RATE UNITS COULD BE BUILT THERE.

IT COULD INCORPORATE PARKLANDS, AMENITIES, HURRICANE SHELTERS, WHATEVER ELSE COMES OUT OF THE CHARRETTE. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR $300,000 TO BE MOVED OUT OF RESERVES FOR THIS INITIAL, INITIAL DUE DILIGENCE WORK.

THE CITY'S POLICY IS TO HAVE A FOUR MONTH RESERVE IN PLACE FOR OUR GENERAL FUND.

MOVING $300,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND DOES NOT DROP US BELOW FOUR MONTHS OF OPERATIONAL RESERVES, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I CAN ANSWER THEM, BUT I'D PREFER IF MEREDITH CAME UP HERE TO ANSWER THOSE.

SHE'S REALLY THE MONEY PERSON, AND THEN AGAIN, IF ALL OF THIS MONEY IS NOT SPENT FOR THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING DUE DILIGENCE, IT WILL JUST ROLL BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK MR. BIRCHIM.

ARE THE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BIRCHIM? I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE THOUGHT THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON ONE OF THESE SITES, AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT STAFF'S SELECTION OF HOMES BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT WERE STATED HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, SO COULD YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON CONSULTANT SERVICES? BECAUSE I'M--WELL, I'LL JUST HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

WHAT EXACTLY WOULD THAT GET US? WE HAVE A CONSULTING GROUP CALLED SFF CONSULTING GROUP UNDER CONTRACT.

THEY SPECIALIZE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCING, AND WHAT WE INTEND TO USE THEM FOR WOULD BE TO WHEN WE GET THE CHARRETTE DONE AND THERE'S A WISH LIST SORT OF OF THINGS WE WANT TO SEE DEVELOPED THAT WILL CREATE A SCOPE THAT WILL THEN BE CONTAINED IN A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THAT WE WILL SEND OUT INTO THE UNIVERSE.

PRIVATE DEVELOPERS WILL COME BACK AND SAY, WE CAN DO THAT.

PART OF THAT WILL INCLUDE THE FINANCING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT.

SO WE'D LIKE TO REACH OUT TO ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY TO SEE IF THERE'S, FOR EXAMPLE, CDBG GRANTS AVAILABLE, AND OTHER AVENUES OF FINANCING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BY ITS NATURE HAS THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT FOR PUBLIC GRANT FUNDS.

NO ONE ON STAFF HAS THAT AREA OF EXPERTISE.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE'RE ASKING THIS CONSULTANT TO DO IS GUIDE US THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS OR RFQ PROCESS AND GIVE US ADVICE ON HOW TO STRUCTURE THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT FINANCIALLY, AND BY THE WAY, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY I'D ALSO LIKE TO RESERVE SOME MONEY FOR CONSULTING SERVICES, FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING SERVICES.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY.

THE SURVEY IS GOING TO DELINEATE THE WETLANDS.

YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I WOULD BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITHOUT KNOWING MORE ABOUT THE LAND ITSELF.

WE HAVE HAD A PRELIMINARY REPORT DONE.

WE DID THAT WHEN THE COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT THIS SITE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I BELIEVE WHEN WE GO FORWARD TO THE REZONING PROCESS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE REZONED TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT PUD, AND WE CAN DO MOST OF THAT IN-HOUSE, BY THE WAY, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF EXPERTISE THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN-HOUSE. ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS IN THE PUD.

WE'D HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT ANALYSIS.

RIGHT, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I DON'T MAYBE BECAUSE YOU'RE OUT THERE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THE SITE CONDITION. SO THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF.

DO YOU KNOW HOW DEEP THE PITS ARE? DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW DEEP THEY ARE? MY LOCAL ORAL HISTORY TELLS ME THEY'RE SUPER DEEP.

WELL, THE RESERVOIR, I UNDERSTAND IS A VERY, VERY DEEP.

THAT'S THE BIG ONE RIGHT HERE, AND I'M GOING TO DRAW MY FINGER AROUND IT.

THAT'S THE RESERVOIR THAT USED TO BE THE FRESH WATER SOURCE FOR THE CITY.

WE USED TO PUMP WATER FROM THAT MANMADE RESERVOIR INTO TOWN.

THAT WAS OUR POTABLE WATER SOURCE.

THESE LAKES HERE ARE MANMADE AND THEY'RE BORROW PITS THAT WE

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MINED SAND COQUINA FOR UTILITY WORK FOR ROAD BEDS AND FOR AN AGGREGATE FOR COQUINA CONCRETE SIDEWALKS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP THOSE ARE, BUT THEY'RE MANMADE FEATURES.

INTERESTING, WELL, I'M INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT MORE ABOUT THE PROPERTY, BUT I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

YES, PLEASE.

I WANT TO SAY THAT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR AGO, JANUARY, I WENT OUT ON THE PROPERTY WITH MR. GRANT.

IT IS CLEAR THAT IT'S OPEN SPACE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED.

IT'S BEING USED AS STORAGE.

THERE ARE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ATTRIBUTES TO IT, BUT I THINK ITS BEST USE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CRISIS WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IN THIS CITY, AND THIS COUNTY AND THE COUNTRY, FOR THAT MATTER, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT SITE TO GO FORWARD WITH RELEASING THESE FUNDS FROM RESERVES AND GOING AHEAD AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN.

OKAY, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I SO MOVE. IS THERE A SECOND? [INAUDIBLE] OKAY, SO OUR MOTION IS TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO MAKE THE NECESSARY TO BEGIN THE DUE DILIGENCE AS DESCRIBED AND AUTHORIZATION TO ACCESS FUNDS FROM THE RESERVE.

THIS IS FOR 450 NORTH HOLMES BOULEVARD? YES, IT IS. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

COULD I ADD ONE MORE THING? PLEASE.

THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SEWAGE FORCE MAIN THERE IS MASSIVE FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER REALLY GREAT REASON TO CHOOSE THIS SITE ON HOLMES.

YES, MR. REGAN? I KNOW YOU'RE CLOSING TO A VOTE, BUT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, THE MAYOR HAD ASKED ME DURING OUR BRIEFING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY WAS WELL AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, KNOWING THAT WE WERE MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION OF A RECOMMENDATION, AND SO WE HAD A BRIEF THE WEST AUGUSTINE LEADERSHIP ON THIS PAST FRIDAY, WHICH IS WHAT PROMPTED MS. WILLIS AND MR. WHITE TO COME SPEAK, AND SO I WAS A LITTLE DISJOINTED WHERE THEY WERE MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE GOING TO BE PART OF DAVID'S PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE WHAT I THINK WERE SOME KEY POINTS THAT THEY MADE.

THE FIRST IS, IS THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY WAS VERY SPECIFIC TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMES DOWN VERY LOW BECAUSE THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE CERTIFIED NURSING ASSISTANTS AND OTHER TYPES OF WORKFORCE THAT ARE REALLY ON THE LOW END THAT ARE STARTING TO LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF GENTRIFICATION, AND SO THEY SEE THE TIE BETWEEN THE 500 UNITS AND ABILITY TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY WHOLE, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING OBSERVATION AND THEN OF COURSE, AS STATED BY COMMISSIONER BLONDER, NOTHING IS AS IMPORTANT TO THE EVOLUTION OF THE SEPTIC SEWER CONVERSION BECAUSE WE'RE SO DEFICIENT IN TRANSMISSION CAPACITY.

THIS UNLOCKS A FEW MORE DOLLARS TOWARDS THE PROGRAM, AND ALSO THERE IS THIS CONCEPT THAT THE MAYOR AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WITH LEADERSHIP OF WEST AUGUSTINE THAT AS WE MOVE THIS FORWARD, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT COULD HAVE OTHER COROLLARY EFFECTS OF GENTRIFICATION, ALTHOUGH I POINTED OUT HOW IT HELPS, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS AT THE TABLE BECAUSE THERE ARE POLICIES THAT THINKING IN ADVANCE AND BEING PROACTIVE THAT THE COUNTY CAN DEPLOY, THAT CAN AID AND ABET, SLOWING DOWN GENTRIFICATION, AND SO I THOUGHT THOSE WERE ALL REALLY GOOD POINTS, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DISJOINTED BECAUSE THEY WERE SPEAKING IN ADVANCE OF THE TOPIC.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR VOICES WERE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD IN THE CONTEXT OF DAVID'S PRESENTATION.

MR. REGAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THAT, AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IS NOT A ONE OFF EVENT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE MAKE A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS AND HAVE A BRIEFING AND WE CAN CHECK THAT BOX, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AND.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THIS PROJECT BE SEEN AND GREETED AS A

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SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WELL, NO, BECAUSE WE BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE WEST AUGUSTINE GENTRIFICATION THING AND MAYBE THAT WARRANTS ITS OWN DISCUSSION BECAUSE I WILL SAY THAT IS BEYOND OUR CONTROL.

WHEN MS. WILLIS CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT MR. WHITE SPOKE ABOUT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF WEST AUGUSTINE.

THE COUNTY HAS DONE CULTURAL SURVEYS.

THEY HAVE HISTORIC SURVEYS.

I WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN WE DID IT, AND THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE HISTORY, AND WHEN THEY BRING IT UP, I WONDER WHAT THE COUNTY IS THINKING.

IT'S GOING TO FALL ON THEM TO DO THE MEASURES THAT PROTECT AGAINST GENTRIFICATION.

IT'S NOT GOING TO FALL ON US.

WE'RE ACTUALLY THE PRO DEVELOPERS ALMOST.

WE'RE IN THE POSITION OF, YES, WE WANT TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO NEW UNITS AND BETTER UNITS AND ALSO TO THE EXISTING UNITS.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE FALL.

WHAT CAN WE DO? IF YOU'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THEIR COMMUNITY? BECAUSE THAT SEEMED TO BE THE REAL CONCERN.

WELL, LET ME SAY TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE IS, AS WE ALL UNDERSTAND, BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC MAY BE LESS CLEAR ON IT.

A WEST AUGUSTINE IS LARGELY OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. IT'S A CONVERSATION FOR US BECAUSE IT FALLS WITHIN OUR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE DISTRICT, AND SO THERE'S ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CITY ON THAT BASIS.

OF COURSE, THEY REMAIN COUNTY RESIDENTS AND OF COURSE THERE'S ALSO THE REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION OR AGENCY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS ABOUT GENTRIFICATION.

I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS TO BE AWARE AND WE'RE CERTAINLY AWARE THAT THE NATURE OF THAT COMMUNITY IS CHANGING.

MUCH OF THE CHANGE IS FOR THE GOOD, BUT IT IS STILL CHANGING . YEAH, PLEASE.

IT'S A TOUGH ONE. THE VICE MAYOR IS CORRECT.

IT IS OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL, AND YOU'RE CORRECT.

IT'S A MATTER OF JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS AT THE TABLE, THAT THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROJECT, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAYS BECAUSE DAVID HAD ALLUDED TO DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES RANGING FROM CDBG MONEY, BUT ALSO THE EXPIRATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MITIGATION FUND, WHICH IS MANAGED BY THE COUNTY DEVELOPERS, PUT INTO A FUND AND WHETHER ANY OF THOSE MONIES COULD COME TO BEAR.

SO, WE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF ALL THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THIS ISSUE IS PART OF THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE PROJECT THAT IS OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNTY IS AT THE TABLE.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND THEIR PARTICIPATION AND ASSISTANCE IN THIS IS GOING TO BE KEY.

MM HMM. IT'S ALSO A PROPERTY THAT'S SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S ALSO IN AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY ZONE.

SO THAT ALSO CAN BRING SOME INTERESTING FINANCING, PERHAPS, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONSULTANT HELPING WITH ALL THAT.

OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MR. MAYOR? YES? BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THIS, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING 800 PLANTATION AVENUE DRIVE SOUTH.

I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE LIFT STATION THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER USE THE CITY HAS FOR THAT PROPERTY? THAT PROPERTY IS ALSO PART OF THE LANDFILL.

SO WE DO HAVE A CONSTRAINT THERE.

THERE'LL BE SOME DEVELOPMENTAL CONCERNS.

YES, SIR. THAT'S A VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE.

I AGREE. WELL, THE FACT THAT IT'S PART OF A LANDFILL DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE ECONOMIC VALUE. I AGREE.

I'M SEEING A REVENUE SOURCE THAT COULD BE USED TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE PROPERTY OR BUILD A HOMELESS SHELTER.

THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO SELL A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE.

WELL, I WOULD APPRECIATE STAFF LOOKING INTO THE POSSIBILITIES OF MARKETING IT BECAUSE I

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CONCUR WITH YOU THAT IT HAS LITTLE UTILITY TO THE CITY.

OKAY. IS THAT WORTHWHILE TO INTRODUCE THAT AS A MOTION AT THIS TIME? SURE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT CITY STAFF TO LOOK INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF THE CITY DIVESTING OWNERSHIP, SELLING THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 312.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO SECOND THAT.

MOTION AND A SECOND.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

MS. LOPEZ, WE HAVE THE END OF SESSION LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.

[11. ITEMS BY CITY ATTORNEY]

ANYTHING TO ADD THERE? NO, NOT UNLESS THE COMMISSION HAS QUESTIONS.

IN READING THE UPDATE ON THE DERELICT VESSELS, SO THIS IS SB494.

I WANTED TO NOTE THAT AND I'M SURE AT LEAST SOME STAFF ARE AWARE OF THIS, THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL DERELICT VESSELS THAT ARE SOUTH OF THE 312 BRIDGE.

I'M TOLD THEY'RE BEING USED BY HOMELESS PEOPLE.

THERE ARE NO FACILITIES FOR SEWAGE OR OTHER WASTE THAT'S GENERATED TRASH AND SO FORTH AND SO AS MARINA STAFF ARE BEING TASKED, I BELIEVE IN THIS SUMMARY IN DETERMINING WHETHER THERE ARE VESSELS CLOSER TO THE HEART OF THE CITY THAT ARE DERELICT OR PUBLIC NUISANCE.

IF THEY ARE DEEMED AS PUBLIC NUISANCE, THEY COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSIONS, FLORIDA COASTAL PROTECTION FUND FOR THEIR REMOVAL.

SO IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT AND DETERMINE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, WE COULD DO SOME WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON WATER QUALITY.

SOUTH OF 312 WOULD BE IN THE COUNTIES, AND THEY AWARE OF IT I BELIEVE BECAUSE EVEN SOMETHING LIKE SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO THEY LOOKED AT OUR PROCEDURES WITH DERELICT VESSELS AS A POTENTIAL FOR THEIR OWN ORDINANCE SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE COUNTY.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WATER GOES EVERYWHERE.

IT DOESN'T JUST STAY IN THE COUNTY.

SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YES, MR. REGAN? WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, MR. PIGGOTT HAS BEEN RUNNING THE DERELICT VESSEL REMOVAL PROGRAM FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, AND WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST PROGRAM, AND PERHAPS IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE DERELICT VESSEL PROGRAM THAT WE HOW IT WORKS AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AID AND ABET THE REMOVAL OF THE VESSELS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT WHERE WE HAVE VESSELS THAT ARE BECOMING UNMOORED DURING STORMS AND THREATENING THE BRIDGE OF LYONS.

SO MAYBE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THAT WHOLE THAT WHOLE PACKAGE OF ISSUES MIGHT BE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE BRIEFED THE COMMISSION ABOUT HOW THESE PROGRAMS WORK.

THAT'D BE GREAT. MOORING FIELD DEFINITIONS.

OKAY. I'M SORRY, I JUST LOST MY BEARINGS.

ARE WE ON END OF SESSION LEGISLATIVE--YES.

OKAY, SO I HAVE COMMENTS.

SO CITY ATTORNEY AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HB 423 AND WHAT AN UNPLEASANT SURPRISE IT WAS THAT IT PASSED.

CAN YOU FAMILIARIZE? SO IT'S IN THE REPORT AND I'M SURE IT'S OF INTEREST TO ALL OF US.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEF US ON THAT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST READ IT? IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.

I CAN GIVE A BRIEF SYNOPSIS.

IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF THE PACKAGE.

IT'S PAGE 84 OF 154.

IF YOU'RE USING A DIGITAL COPY, BUT HOUSE BILL 423 WAS A LATE ADDITION TO A BUILDING CODE--WE'RE TYING INTO COMMISSIONER VALDES' CONCERNS EARLIER.

SO IT WAS A LATE ADDITION TO THE BUILDING CODE REWRITE OR PORTIONS OF BUILDING CODE REWRITE, AND WHAT IT DOES IS ESSENTIALLY REMOVES THE MUCH OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR DEMOLITION OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE BELOW FLOOD ELEVATION, AND IT DOES CREATE ESSENTIALLY TO A MEANINGFUL, I WOULD SUPPOSE I COULD SAY, EXCEPTIONS TO THAT, WHICH IS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED HISTORIC.

SO "DESIGNATED HISTORIC" THE WORDS USED IN THE BILL.

THE FIRST IS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED HISTORIC IN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS, AND AFTER BEING EDUCATED BY A COMMISSIONER A SIKES-KLINE ON HOW THAT WORKS WHEN THINGS ARE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED AS OPPOSED TO IDENTIFIED AS CONTRIBUTING FOR PURPOSES OF THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, THEY ARE THE SAME.

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SO IN THAT SENSE, THOSE ARE DESIGNATED HISTORIC.

SO THAT'S WONDERFUL, BUT THE SECOND EXCEPTION IS CAUSING US MORE TIME TO STUDY AND REACH OUT TO OTHER CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE IN TERMS OF OF HISTORIC REVIEW, AND IT'S THIS IDEA OF BEING DESIGNATED HISTORIC IN A LOCAL ORDINANCE.

AT OR EARLIER THAN JANUARY 1ST, 2022.

SO IT'S A BIT OF ONE OF THOSE POLAROID TYPE SNAPSHOTS.

SO IF ON JANUARY 1ST, 2022, SO TWO MONTHS AGO OR THREE MONTHS AGO NOW, FROM THAT POINT BACKWARDS, WERE OTHER TYPES OF STRUCTURES, "DESIGNATED HISTORIC" IN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S GENERATED A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SIKES-KLINE'S INPUT AND PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL TO ME.

WE HAD A STAFF MEETING WITH PLANNERS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATIONISTS LAST WEEK.

WE'RE MEETING AGAIN THIS FRIDAY.

IN THE INTERIM, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO STATE AGENCIES, FEDERAL AGENCIES AND OTHER CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

THE CHALLENGE IS WHAT DOES DESIGNATE HISTORIC MEAN? JUST THE FACT THAT WE REQUIRE SOME LEVEL OF REVIEW FOR ANY STRUCTURE THAT'S OVER 50 YEARS OLD, FOR INSTANCE.

IS THAT SUFFICIENT TO CREDIBLY ARGUE THAT MAKES ALL OF THOSE STRUCTURES DESIGNATED HISTORIC AS AN EXCEPTION TO THIS BILL? SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND WE'RE REACHING OUT TO OTHERS.

SO WE HAVE A MEATY, SUBSTANTIVE RESPONSE WHEN WE'RE GOING FORWARD TO INTERPRET WHAT THAT STATUTE MEANS FOR US.

SO WAS THAT A FAIR SYNOPSIS? THAT WAS FAIR, AND WHAT I'LL ADD IS THAT WE ACTUALLY THIS BILL WAS WORKED ON LAST YEAR IN LAST SESSION, AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS DONE BECAUSE JENNY WOLFE OUR PRESERVATION PLANNER, FURNISHED LANGUAGE THAT WE THOUGHT ACCOMPLISHED THEIR GOALS, BUT FOR SOME REASON THIS SLIPPED THROUGH. WE DIDN'T KNOW.

I DON'T EVEN THINK PRESERVATION AT THE STATE LEVEL KNEW THAT THIS HAPPENED.

IT JUST SORT OF HAPPENED IN A COMMITTEE, AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE MAGICAL MYSTERY THINGS THAT HAPPENS IN TALLAHASSEE.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THE GOVERNOR SIGNS THIS BILL.

MAYBE IT'S FUTILE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LETTER FROM THE COMMISSION SUPPORTING THE GOVERNOR NOT SIGNING THIS BILL, AND IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK ON THE LETTER AND MAKE SURE THAT THE MAYOR SIGNS IT, BUT THIS COULD BE DEVASTATING TO OUR 50 YEARS OR OLDER DEMOLITION ORDINANCE.

THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS WHEN YOU GET INTO THE WEEDS, BUT LIKE WE SAID, THERE'S A BIG TEAM WORKING ON IT.

IT'S VERY DISTURBING.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION? MY INCLINATION WOULD BE TO GO ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER SIKES-KLINE, BECAUSE UNTIL WE HAVE A CLARIFICATION AS TO ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH WE APPEAR TO NOT TO HAVE THE IDEA OF THIS BEING SIGNED INTO LAW OF CONCERN.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THE VICE MAYOR HAS MADE A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER VALDES SECONDED THAT WE WRITE A LETTER URGING THAT THE GOVERNOR VETO THE BILL. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YOU'LL WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO PREPARE THE LETTER FOR MY SIGNATURE.

WE WILL POSTHASTE.

MISS GALAMBOS. GUIDANCE BY CITY CLERK.

[12. ITEMS BY CITY CLERK]

THIS IS JUST A NOTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS BOARD.

WE HAVE ADVERTISED THIS AND THE DEADLINE TO APPLY IS APRIL 13.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

MR. REGAN, THANK YOU.

[14. ITEMS BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS]

ITEM BY MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE NOTHING.

COMMISSIONER VALDES.

I HAVE NOTHING. COMMISSIONER BONDER, I DO.

I KNOW IT'S EASY TO FORGET WHEN WE'RE IN THIS ROOM WHAT'S HAPPENING IN UKRAINE, AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT.

I'M SURE WE ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT OUR HEARTS GO OUT TO THEM.

SECONDLY, I DID MAKE AN ATTEMPT AT THE MEETING WHERE THE EPICENTER ALLIANCE WAS MAKING A

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PROPOSAL TO BUILD A PERFORMANCE CENTER ON THE 33 ACRES.

AT THAT TIME, I TRIED TO MOVE THAT WE REJECT THAT PROPOSAL AND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PERHAPS CONSIDERING A PASSIVE PARK IN THAT LOCATION ON THAT 33 ACRES, GIVEN THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT BEING THERE, THE CELL TOWER THERE, THE OTHER IMPEDIMENTS TO POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING THAT ANY FURTHER, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS SUPPORT IN THIS GROUP TO HAVE ASKING THE STAFF NOT IN ANY HURRY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT ON THEIR PLATES RIGHT NOW, BUT STARTING A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO SEE IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT A PASSIVE PARK ON THAT 33 ACRES ON FISH ISLAND, AND I MIGHT BE PREMATURE IN ASKING THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO PUT IT OUT THERE.

I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW BECAUSE I KIND OF COME ROUND TO YOUR WAY OF THINKING TO A LARGE DEGREE, DO WE HAVE TO DEVELOP EVERYTHING ON THE COAST? DO WE HAVE TO DEVELOP EVERYTHING THAT'S ON AN ISLAND? I'D BE CURIOUS TO HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REMOVE THE SEWER PLANT. A LONG RANGE PLAN FOR PLANTING TREES, SO IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BECOME SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SOMEWHAT NORMAL FOR THE COAST OF FLORIDA.

I MEAN, THIS IS YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG TIME AFTER I'M GONE, BEFORE THE TREES ARE GROWN, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DO, AND YOU DESIGN IT IN SUCH A WAY, A LONG TERM PLAN TO DESIGN A PARK THERE THAT'S NOT A PARK, BUT A NATURE PRESERVE.

AND LOOKING OUT 25 YEARS OR 30 OR 40 YEARS, IT GOES UNDERWATER MAYBE, BUT ANYWAY, SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, TOO, BUT I'VE KIND OF COME AROUND TO WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH IT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO DEVELOP EVERYTHING.

WE JUST DON'T.

SO I'D SUPPORT THAT.

WELL, AGAIN, COMING BACK TO, LIKE I SAID, ON THE 80 ACRES, WHAT DO WE KNOW EXACTLY ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE LAND? WE DON'T HAVE A SURVEY ON IT.

SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED KNOWING MORE ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE LAND.

WE KNOW IT WAS A LANDFILL.

WE KNOW IT WAS THE SOLID WASTE TREATMENT PLANT.

WE KNOW IT'S GOT A PRETTY INTENSE USE THERE OF CURRENT USE OF THE CELL TOWER.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEFORE WE MOVE INTO DESIGNATING AS A PARK.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? A FEASIBILITY STUDY? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS PROPOSING.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THE FISH ISLAND ROAD PROPERTY, THE MIZELL ROAD PROPERTY.

YES, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE IS A COST OF WHAT A FEASIBILITY STUDY IS GOING TO BE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO I'D BE HAPPY IF WE WANTED TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME PROPOSALS WITH COST PROPOSALS AND THE SCOPE OF WORK.

SOUNDS GOOD. SO THAT'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLONDER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VALDES. FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

CITY MANAGER HAD HIS HAND UP.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE DO USE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN FOR CERTAIN CITY OPERATIONS LIKE FIRE TRAINING.

WE'LL MAKE THAT PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, HOW IT IMPACTS CURRENT OPERATIONS.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

VICE MAYOR. OKAY, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO DOT SENT ME A NOTICE THAT THEY'RE BEGINNING PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ROAD TRANSFER OF KING STREET, AND ALSO THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT ON KING STREET.

SO I WAS WONDERING BEFORE THEY DO THAT, ARE WE HAVING ANY PRESENTATION FROM THEM OR IS THERE GOING TO BE ANYTHING ON OUR AGENDA COMING FORWARD ABOUT THE ROAD TRANSFER AND BRIDGE REPLACEMENT? WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE SCHEDULE A PRESENTATION AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

OKAY, PERFECT, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, I'M GETTING INCREASING AMOUNT OF I SPOKE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT THIS MORNING, COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING ON YELLOW CURBS IN NORTH DAVIS SHORES. I'VE NOTICED IT IN SOUTH DAVIS SHORES--THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD--SOUTH

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DAVIS SHORES AND NORTH DAVIS SHORES, THERE'S INCREASINGLY CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IN DAVIS SHORES ON OGLETHORPE WHEN THE BRIDGE IS UP, SPEEDING CONSTANT PARKING AT THE FOOT OF THE BRIDGE IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SPILLOVER PARKING LIKE CRAZY.

WE HAVE A TERM SPILLOVER PARKING, WHICH IS WHEN BUSINESSES DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING CAPACITY, PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREETS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING.

SO WITH A WONDERFUL SUCCESSFUL.

STREET LIKE ANASTASIA BOULEVARD.

WE HAVE SO MANY WONDERFUL, SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANTS NOW AND IT'S SUCH A POPULAR PLACE, WE'RE SEEING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SPILLOVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN DAVID SHORES.

SO I WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

IT'S BECOME INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT, LIKE WE HAVE HEARD FROM UPTOWN AND FROM LINCOLNVILLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF DAVIS SHORES BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON THE SIDE STREET.

THAT'S NOT A BIG COMPLAINT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S BEGINNING TO HAPPEN THERE, TOO, AND WE'RE HEARING MORE AND MORE SOUND COMPLAINTS FROM THE OUTDOOR MUSIC.

SO I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY STAFF FOR GOING IN TO DOLPHIN DRIVE AND DOING YELLOW CURBING AND DOING THE SURVEYS, GOING THROUGH ALL THE STEPS TO DO YELLOW CURBING ON ONE SIDE SO THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES COULD PASS THROUGH BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, AND I'M GOING TO BE TALKING TO THE CITIZENS THAT COMPLAIN AND WORKING WITH THEM TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM OF YELLOW CURBING.

SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW OTHER SOLUTIONS BESIDES THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM, WHICH I THINK IS WE'VE MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR CITIZENS TO USE THAT PROGRAM.I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE, AND ANASTASIA RESIDENTS AREN'T HAVING ANY DIFFICULTY PARKING.

FLAGLER BOULEVARD, THE SIDE STREET--BUT THOSE ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES.

THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS TO ALLOW ON STREET PARKING IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE THE TRADITIONAL HOME SITES DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING.

NO, ACTUALLY, IT'S A TOOL TO ADDRESS SPILLOVER PARKING.

WELL, I GUESS IT DEPENDS UPON HOW ONE WANTS TO LOOK AT IT.

I WAS ON THE PARKING AND TRAFFIC COMMITTEE.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT IT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR YEARS AND NEIGHBORHOODS LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY. I SEE IT AS A WAY TO PRESERVE PARKING FOR OUR RESIDENTS ON AVENIDA MENENDEZ, WHO WOULD HAVE NO PARKING OTHER THAN ON THE STREET--YES--BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE ON WEST OGLETHORPE IS PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING THERE AND ENJOYING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK DOWNTOWN AND NOT HAVE TO FIGHT THE TRAFFIC.

I'VE DONE IT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WALK.

PARK FOR FREE. ABSOLUTELY, PARK FOR FREE.

WE ALSO HAVE MARINA PARKING THERE.

PEOPLE THAT USE THE MARINA ARE PARKING THERE.

THEY'RE PARKING LONG TERM.

THEY'RE PARKING OVERNIGHT.

IT'S COMPLEX.

I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I'M A STRONG PROPONENT OF YELLOW CURBS.

I HATE WHEN WE CREATE BARRIERS OF STREET SIGNS, AS WE'VE DONE ON WEST OGLETHORPE.

WE HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS DO NOT PARK EVERY 20 FEET.

I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY THINKS THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

SO I'M HAPPY FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

I AGREE WITH YOU; IT IS COMPLEX.

THE SAD THING ABOUT THAT, THE SOLUTION IS A MOBILITY ISSUE, PUTTING A GARAGE OUT BY THE AMPHITHEATER, TURNING ANASTASIA BOULEVARD INTO THREE LANES TO ONE LANE IN ONE LANE OUT AND ONE FOR VEHICLES TO TRAVEL AND THEN CREATE PARKING DOWN BOTH SIDES TO SUPPORT THE WONDERFUL GROWTH OF BUSINESSES.

YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, THE TPO--GOODNESS, WE'VE GOT SO MUCH GOING ON, IT'S HARD TO KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON--NORTH FLORIDA TPO, AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY DID A STUDY ON ANASTASIA BOULEVARD FROM THE AMPHITHEATER TO THE FOOT OF THE BRIDGE.

THIS WAS DONE LAST YEAR AND THEN AND IT'S COMPLETE, I BELIEVE--WELL, MAYBE THERE'S A DRAFT, AND THEN THE COUNTY ASKED FOR A STUDY FROM THE AMPHITHEATER DOWN TO 312 FOR THAT COMPONENT TO SEE WHAT COULD WE DO WITH THIS COMPLICATED.

WE'VE GOT THE AMPHITHEATER WITH PERFORMANCES GOING ON.

WE'VE GOT PEDICABS, WE'VE GOT WALKERS AND NARROW SIDEWALKS, WE'VE GOT INADEQUATE PARKING,

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WE'VE GOT SHUTTLE BUSSES.

SO THE REPORT, I HAVE THE REPORT, BUT I CAN'T GIVE IT TO YOU.

I THINK WE SHOULD GET IT.

WE SHOULD BE ASKING FOR THE PRESENTATION.

WE SHOULD HAVE THAT PRESENTED.

NO, I DON'T. IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU HAVE.

THEY DID IT FOR US, BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE SOLUTIONS.

THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD SOLUTIONS THAT ARE VERY LOW COST AND IT CAN BE DONE IN A SHORTER TIME FRAME SUGGESTED BY THAT STUDY.

SO, LET'S MAKE THIS REALLY SIMPLE.

SO WE HAD ASKED STAFF TO INQUIRE OF TPO ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE--WOULD THEY COME AND DO A PRESENTATION, PLEASE.

SURE. I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING DONE ON OUR BEHALF AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO IT.

LET THE COMMISSION SEE IT.

MR. REGAN? MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, CERTAINLY WE CAN DO THAT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I MIGHT SUGGEST.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE ALSO SINCE WE'VE REFRESHED THE COMMISSION ON HOW OUR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM WORKS AND WE'VE MADE MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR RESIDENCES AND SO FORTH, AND SO PERHAPS IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON HOW THAT WHOLE PROGRAM WORKS, THEORY BEHIND IT, AND JUST KIND OF GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON THAT BECAUSE IT COULD BE A TOOL TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECT SOLUTIONS.

YOU KNOW, PRESENTATIONS WORK.

THEY HELP EVERYBODY GET CAUGHT UP ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT THEY WANT SOLUTIONS.

THEY'RE TRYING TO LIVE THERE, AND IT'S JUST I SEE US MOVING FORWARD ON RIBERIA STREET.

I LOVE THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING THERE.

WE SAW SOME GREAT MOVEMENT THERE--BUT THE REALITY IS THE DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE SUCCESS OF ANASTASIA BOULEVARD WITH THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESTAURANTS, THE SIDE EFFECT IS THE INCURSION OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THE INCURSION IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS TO PUT MORE PARKING AT ANASTASIA BOULEVARD, DIAGONAL PARKING, CUT DOWN THE PRESSURE ON THE BRIDGE ALLIANCE BY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LANES.

HAVE A ROUNDABOUT WHERE THE FIRE STATION IS THAT SENDS PEOPLE BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION WITH THE YELLOW LIGHT FLASHING SAYS, DON'T COME THIS WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PARKED IN TRAFFIC FOR 3 HOURS.

I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND THE SOLUTION, I'VE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS STUFF, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE, THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THE BIG PICTURE IS TO DO A BIG THING THERE.

WELL, LOVE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK YOU'LL LIKE IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ANY TIME WE MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA, THE DOT HAS RULES AND THEN--ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE ONE SMALL REQUEST.

COULD WE HAVE A CITY LIMITS MAP IN THE CITY CHAMBERS? I MEAN, THIS IS JUST CONSTANT QUESTIONS AND CONFUSION ABOUT WHERE ARE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE ONE THAT WE CAN ALL SEE.

SURE. THANK YOU, THAT'S IT.

WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, OF COURSE.

GREAT. THERE BEING NOTHING ELSE.

OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Mar 28, 2022 City Commission

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